THERE HAS BEEN SOME NEWS. CCS is probably dead. I made a video which you can watch. ruclips.net/video/ZJOfyMCEzjQ/видео.html None of the fundamentals to this video have changed, and in fact the technology is simply being ported to a new... port. But yeah, things are moving fast, so just keep that in mind!
I’m watching this for the first time in late 2024, and got to the Tesla part and was just thinking about how quickly things have changed. Glad to see this video still in place and even with my Bolt EUV with the CCS connection, I’m incredibly happy that the national has basically decided upon a single standard that really was done better than CCS. Will be amazing to see what solid state batteries bring to the game.
I think 100 is too many standards, we should adapt all of them into one. I think 101 is too many standards, mine is better and everyone should adopt. I think 102 standards is too many...
It's like that one XKCD comic * Issue: There are 10 competing standards "I know, let's make something that covers everyone's use cases!" * Issue: There are 11 competing standards
I work in the charging industry and this is one of the best I've seen explaining how they operate and some of the technical reasons behind it. Really good job!
Can you comment, then, on last mile capacity? Most of the stuff you deal with (I assume) will be 3φ. But as mentioned, the primary use case depends on at-home charging. I don't know how many households our local LV transformer supports, but I do know it is ~300kVA for in-ground cable capable of ~650kVA (6x3φ each aggregate 450A). Here, each household is given an allowance of ~2.5kVA, so that's "only" 120 houses anyway, relying on load diversity. (I hear most Italian houses are fitted with fuses that allow a peak of only 3kVA! You can ask for 6kVA, but you pay extra whether you use it or not.) Setting aside generation capacity, of which we (the UK) do not have nearly enough even for current demand even ignoring EVs or heat pumps, how are we going to do this? 7.4kVA 1φ smart home chargers (which will effectively quadruple per-house allowances, on a naïve estimation) to sequence and balance load, yes, upgrading LV step-down capacity, yes, but it seems the cable in the ground is going to be a problem if everyone has an EV. Which might happen, if the EU makes good on its promise to ban CO2-emitting vehicles altogether by 2035.
@@StrixTechnica ok I can not speak for the USA. But here in the UK the average car is driven about 8400 miles a year or about 23 miles a day so about 50 minutes a day on a 7kw home charger. As long as everyone dose not try to do that at exactly the same time, we will have no real issue Some will do one full charge a week taking maybe 6 hours on Saturday or Sunday after noon others will do 2 over night charges from 1 to 4am etc etc As far as total demand goes all 31 million UK cars even when all of them are EVs will add back 65twh to total UK demand or about 18% still below the total level of demand the UK had in 2006. The grid was ok then. We have more than enough generation as long as ev charging is kept out of peek times , and as overnigh off peak is still only about 7-10p per kWh and peak rate can be high as 40p per kWh, anyone with more brain cells than teeth, will not be charging at peak times. If you want to worry about blackouts this winter, worry about the actual gas supply to the powers stations, don't worry about not having enough power stations we have plenty.
@@patdbean, you're right, it can be made to work, but only if there is some smart sequencing done by DNOs. That requires smart meters and appropriate EVSE etc. My point was that you're relying on an even greater degree of degree of diversity factor (as it's called in UK power engineering) than we already do, and EVs present load for far longer than, say, boiling the kettle as with "TV pickup". And even if the _grid_ can cope, my point was about last mile infrastructure, ie the cable in the street outside your door. On overnight tariffs, I think you are probably kidding yourself if you think that the 5-10p/kWh rates will endure for long, when Ofgem's notional energy price cap would have been >50p/kWh and is only 35p because of the astonishing amount of money the government is dishing out to subsidise bills. That sort of debt funded spending is not sustainable for long. Generation and blackouts are another question altogether. The subject of my earlier comment to mike fadie was about charging and associated infrastructure. The prospect of blackouts we now face is completely unrelated, and at least that has a relatively straight forward answer, if the government could be arsed to do anything about it. Hitachi/GE's ABWR reactor design can be built in under 5 years. We could add new generation relatively easily, but we can't currently even keep a PM for more than a couple of months! The King said it best, "dear, oh dear. Anyway..."
Hi! There has been news. In May of 2023, Ford signaled their intent to switch to Tesla's connector beginning with cars made in 2025. Assuming they go through with the decision, that will make the charging landscape somewhat more fractured - but CCS networks have a sucky reputation right now, and I honestly can't blame Ford for wanting to sidestep that. Still, I have very mixed feelings about it. Time will tell what this means for charging moving forward, and on account of me not seeing this coming, I won't bother making any other predictions.
First off woah that's new second off Hhhhhhhhhhhhh let's be glad Ford doesn't have a lot in the market yet because oh my word we can't keep doing this.
@@MsEyelinered Reliability. The CCS stations have a reputation for chargers being out-of-order more often. And fewer chargers per station make any downtime more impactful.
@@MsEyelinered Reliability issues. Electrify America (and other CCS networks) have a poor reputation of being down or non-functional at seemingly random. And poor customer communication regarding the status of their stations. Lots of reports of their app saying station is available just for them to get there and all stations are offline or won't turn on. In every reliability survey I've seen, Tesla has come out on top with American CCS networks near the bottom. I think Ford just got tired of dealing with their customers constantly reporting public charging problems that they could do little if anything to fix.
@@nnnnnn3647 Did you watch the video? It's clear from what Alec said that the cars are more than capable of an 18 hour road trip with just under 2 hours of charging... The forced breaks are kinda mandated by the highway code anyway so this doesn't seem like such an issue
That's because it really is going into 360 things. The battery isn't a single thing, rather it's 360 individual cells, so 972 watts per cell, and even that isn't sustained (it falls drastically as the cell fills up with energy). Still that's quite a lot of power per cell -- 4x what USB PD can deliver!
@@odouroushouseant That’s fucking nuts. 260 Amps per cell? That math must be wrong. That’s like what…a 100C charge rate? No. Those cells would explode. (edit: I guess I did not consider that these might not be 18650 cells. Prismatic cells with larger capacity might support a higher charge current. /shrug)
I typically only breathe slightly harder out of my nose when seeing a very funny bit in a video or meme (when alone) but that transition from the car to the desk with your sunglasses and hair from the car and then the audible disgust absolutely sent me. I even made noise when I laughed. Thank you for what you do!
Came here to see if someone already said this, and there you are. 😅 I loved that the fix entailed a total of (1) taking off the shades, (2) letting his hair down, and (3) putting a tweed jacket over the charger tee. "There, NOW I look professional!"
I have a "charger" that plugs into my dryer outlet. It has an adjustable-rate output of 8, 10, 13, or 16 amps. Using the 8 amp output I am able to change off my solar panels without overloading my inverter. It has the added benefit of a slower charge which is easy on the batteries!
@@antiphon000 It is because it doesn't do the charging like with a phone charger, it delivers power to the vehicle which handles the actual charging. It is for most people a pretty meaningless distinction but important for understanding how infrastructure works now and how it will in future.
I've had a Nissan Leaf for seven years now, and I can definitely agree that non-EV owners don't understand the charging paradigm shift. I don't take it on road trips at all due to its short range, but for driving around locally, I've only ever needed a public charger twice in that time. And even then, only because I was intentionally pushing it to see how far I could go. I don't have a fancy 240V charger at home either, I've just used the standard included 110V this whole time, and it's been great.
Similar car/time here. I've been using the 110V outdoor charging at home, and my office garage has 220V free charging. This has handled 80% of my mileage for commuting and in-town driving (which the east coast also has plenty of free electric charging at shopping centers), and we also have a gas car for the occasional cross-country road trip or just need a second car. The savings in gas almost paid for the car loan itself.
Out of curiosity (cause I legit haven't looked far enough into the actual ownership of an EV to know), are you able to charge from a 15A or do you still need it on a 20A breaker?
I've always explained the charger port thing as "Tesla is the Apple of the EV world." People get that pretty much instantly. Not sure if that says more about Tesla or Apple tbh!
@@the_lucifer I agree about the timeline. But Apple uses Type-C on both their MacBooks and iPads, but not on their iPhones. Makes you wanna say Hmmm...
You aren't wrong. Tesla, like apple, had to invent their own connector because the available connectors on the market weren't good enough, then everyone else went a different direction and they were left holding a different standard (this happened twice, both in the USA and in Europe). It's not really Tesla's fault, and they are adding the universal connectors to their supercharger network now, presumably in preparation for changing the ports on their cars.
@@insertphrasehere15 Tesla is not going to change the charging ports on their cars. They will simply add an additional cable and probably offer adapters too. Why would Tesla want to switch their thin elegant easy to handle in sub zero temps cable with a bulky cable and connector. LOL
One super good feature of home charging is that you are using the power mainly during the night when there is most spare generation capacity available anyways.
Quite true. Not only are you not paying extra for the fast charger owner's profit but you're buying cheaper electricity as well. There's also some interesting ideas i've seen companies floating where your house could use your car's battery if the power goes out.
@@alexsis1778 There are cars already that can provide AC out from the charging socket quite easily. It's really a good idea to have a smart grid where your car charges off cheap power and then gives some back during peak hours or even blackouts.
I don’t want that wear & tear on my car’s battery. They have a fixed number of charge cycles & once they’re used-up, the battery loses capacity and eventually becomes unusable
@@electrictroy2010 It's not quite like mobile phone batteries etc. which are really tormented by charging them fast and full and start degrading fast after a few hundred cycles. When you have a big battery and only use the capacity between 20-85% or something, keep the currents low and temperatures under control they will last a very long time. There is wear of course still, but the amount is important for calculations on is it worth it. If you can save the cost of a battery swap in 5 years but need a new battery in 10 years then it's worth it.
I'm surprised you didn't mention charge tapering, because no car AFAIK will aloow you to charge at the full DC charge rate (350kW, or even 50kW on my 2020 IONIQ) right up to 100% capacity in order to preserve the battery longevity and that juicy battery warranty they offer.
It's not just about the health of the battery. As the surface of the anode is filled with electrons it physically takes longer for the oncoming ones to find space. So the current and subsequently the wattage have to decrease.
This is also why it’s not great to arrive at a fast charger with a too high state-of-charge like at 25:30.. you can shave off quite some charging time if you manage to arrive with as low a SoC as possible to maximize charging speed. Still, most people don’t care about this type of planning and will gladly ‘drip charge’ their car to 100%SOC at a fast charger no matter the queue behind them.
Maybe he could add typical charging curves for EVs to show this. It is much faster arriving with say 10%, then chargeing to 70% and repeating that arriving with 30% and charging to 90%.
As an automotive engineer working on EV charging systems, these videos are just great. I have sent links to your previous EVSE video to many people to explain how charging works and how it is not some kind of chore that requires hours and hours of standing around. I really wish the OEMs and the enthusiast outlets would hammer home the fact that DCFC is not a necessity unless you are doing long trips, have no access to an outlet, or travel more in a day than you could recover overnight. I am really looking forward to more of your EV systems videos.
I travel a lot. 300mi trips are not uncommon if not more. The range needs to be much better with faster charge times before I consider. If it can't come close to a 5min gas fill up then there isn't really a discussion to be had.
@@hockeymikey You should try an EV with decent range. Having 15-20mn pause, in the middle of it will get you, way less tired in the end. About charging. IMO If you don't have a plug at home or at work, don't even consider having an EV. Going to the "pump" like for an ICE, is not worth it.
Interestingly in the EU Tesla is using CCS since the release of the Model 3 if I remember correctly. Also, 3-Phase Charging is basically the "state of the art" for at-home charging or public chargers which aren't DC. At least in the D-A-CH room, I'm driving around :)
Retired sparky here and you will NEVER see a 5 three phase service in 99.999% of homes..If you had a $200 million 150,00 square foot mega mansion you might be be able to get three phase Servuce..
@@garbo8962 debatable. 400V is available everywhere in the EU. Some homes has 400V washing machines and stoves. Still, it's irrilevant. 240V from a plug in the wall it's plenty enough. I have a fancy mennekes wallbox I barely use, the EVSE is way handier.
The grid generally has a huge amount of excess capacity at night, which is why just about every power company offers a "time of use" plan. So, where I live, peak power costs about 14 cents/kWh, and off peak is 4 cents. So, for home charging there is already a giant built in incentive to charge during off peak hours.
Just as many areas don't have off peak hours though. I haven't seen a peak/off peak billing in over 20 years where i live, they used to have those controllers on your water heaters and such to turn them on and off as the grid needed, thats not a thing anymore either. I think about 20 years ago they called it simplified billing and got rid of the off peak rate. Though to be honest where i live in the midwest we have some of the cheapest power, around 9-10 cents per kWh is the average around here. We have had load shedding in the middle of the night due to AC demands when its hot or heating demands when its cold, i don't think there is a big excess of capacity.
It's going to get interesting as more solar PV comes on line and more people (any, in our area) charge EVs at night. We might see off-peak rates go away.
honestly kWh prices like these makes me wonder why there are so few electric cars on the road in america. since all that stuff with russia happend electricity prices more than double in germany. we used to sit at around 20-24 cents per kWh, if your provider kept you at 36 cent or below you where one of the lucky few. i have to pay 48 cents per kWh now and its only going to get more expensive.
@@sWaRmBuStEr You allowed the Greens into talking your government into shuttering your nuclear power plants. As a rrsult, unlike France, Germany uses a lot of natural gas for electricity. In the US, we mostly use NG for "peaker plants. So the natural gas plants run in the afternoon, and rurn off at night. Also, I have the largest nuclear power plant in the US across town.
In San Diego the off-peak pricing is a glorious 19 cents/kWh *IF* you have a TOU plan just for EVs. Peak pricing is closer to 54 cents and at that price most EVs are roughly the same price as driving a gas vehicle when the gas price is around $6/gallon (assuming 4 mi/kWh). Charging stations in town are usually around the same price, between 30 and 65 cents/kWh. This makes the EV proposition in a state like CA, where you would expect strong EV incentives due to gas prices and distances, actually quite poor by comparison. If electricity was 14 cents all the time it would be absolutely amazing. As it is even the standard non-peak daily pricing of 22 cents is nuts (peak is from about 3pm to 9pm, off peak night hours are usually from midnight to 5a).
A suggestion: When listing off numbers, and comparing them, do it visually. If you want to show X kilowatts vs Y kilowatts, show a small bar graph, so it's visually comparable, rather than only numerically comparable.
Even better: Props! Get a bunch of old batteries and put them in piles on the desk to represent the relative values being compared. Bonus points if the difference is large enough to dramatically dump them out all over the place.
@@PiOfficial Not true. I can see swapping your "most" with "many". Different people have different learning abilities. I can't make sense of a table of numbers. But gimme a graph and I can better understand. Now, numbers thrown out in a dialog, I can't remember one from the other.
@@PiOfficial Imagine a spreadsheet with no numbers anywhere, and instead the program just reads everything to you. Or, imagine instead of graphs, a report just has a bunch of text telling you the numbers "margin one: fifty-two percent, margin two: seventeen point eight seven percent" etc. Many people, including myself, would prefer to have a visual aid.
Fun to see some interest in the DC charging business. I'm an engineer at a charger manufacturing company and particularly in the DC charging field for larger vehicles (ie busses mostly). They tend to be charged with pantographs or contact hoods for the higher power ones. We have a 380 kW charger for instance (at least R&D does, maybe not our customers yet) that can either divide its power over 8 vehicles or if bone others are connected (or if the others are scheduled to charge with 0 W) it can just put all that power in a single EV. Crazy stuff. Also ask me anything about ocpp, my company does that too on both ends.
OCPP? Yes please! 1. How universal is OCPP? Is it supported by all smart chargers (home, fleet, public)? 2. What needs to happen for unidirectional smart home chargers to participate in grid-wide smart charging? Does OCPP's support extend from the EVSE all the way across the internet to a third-party server? a) What kinds of cyber-security measures are implemented in OCPP? Is it vulnerable enough to be the weakest link in a grid smart-charging system? 3. How difficult is it to build a fleet smart charge controller? a) What hardware links does OCPP support? Does it go on the back of e.g. ethernet/TCP/IP? CAN? b) Would the controller be an off-the-shelf PC or does it need more specialised hardware? c) What's the software like for a fleet controller? Is it simple enough to lash together in-house? Are there off-the-shelf packages? Are they any good? 4. Is OCPP ready for V2G? As you might have guessed, I'm also an engineer :D. My background and PhD are in semiconductor devices, in which time I did lots of instrumentation for custom measurements/tests/characterisation, so I've played with LabVIEW, GPIB, USB etc. I'm now a power electronics engineer working for a rapidly-growing young EV company (can't really call it a 'start-up' any more) working on the factory R&D side (working on, shall we say, smaller factories than one might expect). I don't work on EV charging, but I am *extremely* interested in charging and V2G, and I'm pretty much the biggest charging geek you'll find. I am giddy at the thought that, with ISO 15118-20 now published, Hyundai Motor Group's experiments with AC V2G with We Drive Solar might become the broader reality in a few years. I can't help myself from sketching out designs in my head for fleet management solutions that my employer's potential customers might want, and OCPP is the bit I understand least well.
Some of the things I really appreciate about your videos are that it seems they are well researched factually. Another is that you push boundaries sometimes, but in a gentle way. A third is your attention to things I never noticed before, like some car manufacturer's use of separate yellow lamps for turn signals. (Every time I see that now, I am reminded that my first exposure to the idea was watching your video about the topic). Thank you for your work and efforts.
I love liquid-cooled cables being used to reduce cable weight and thickness. I thoroughly enjoyed this deep dive into how the technology actually works.
Really? I find it rather concerning; what will the charger look like in a few years, what are the recurring maintenance costs? Will most of the less-popular chargers just see reduced throughput as repairs are put off and (hopefully present) safety mechanisms reduce charging speed when the active cooling breaks?
There's only so small the cable can go before the line loss becomes excessive. (even a 4/0 welding cable loses a measurable amount of power @ 500A... "R" may be small, but "I squared" is huge. Higher voltage allows lower current, but higher volts requires greater insulation, and makes any damage _extremely_ dangerous.)
Thank you for making a highly informative video that I don't actually have to fact check (unfortunately, a rarity with today's RUclips "experts"). You even nailed the fairly obscure fact that current CCS can provide up to 500 A at up to ~700 V, making those chargers literally 350 kW (rather than just theoretically). Bravo, and keep up the good work!
Don't be so sure about demand driving expansion of the grid. If that were the case, we'd not see so many rolling brown-outs and blackouts such as we see in California and now Michigan.
@@MrSlappySwanson My California power company turns off the power on high wind days to prevent fires. I don't think we will build power plants until the demand goes up, like he said with AC units.
the fact that the model 3 (here in the EU market) came/comes with a native CCS plug was the reason i even considered it. Without that (and the back then not so many supuerchergers) i wouldnt have been comfortable to buy one. Soley for the reason of "not getting stuck outisde the range of a supercharger but having a CCS charger nearby" I *now* know that that would mostly be a minor inconvenience and it practically never happens, but still the native CCS plug was the straw for me that pushed me into looking at Teslas .... and half a year's worth of research later my bank account was a lot less healthy
The sole reason that Teslas in the EU have a type 2 CCS plug is because the EU refused to issue a type rating for their new vehicles if they did not comply with a standardised plug. The only cars that are around which haven't got a Type 2 CCS are old Teslas and early generation Leafs.
@@fermitupoupon1754 even the 60kWh Variant of the Leaf 3 (i believe) has chademo here Its a real shame At least in 2019 when i looked at everything available every leaf available was Chademo. And even newly sold model S are type 2 DC only (type 2 connector has a DC spec that goes up to 150kW) altho they can get the CCS adaptor since 2020 And all those model S are type legal here in the EU so that likely isnt the main reason that model 3/Y have CCS natively
@@fermitupoupon1754 and we are glad of a standad plug makes charging easier just a pain for us early adopters my 2016 22kw zoe has 22kw AC charging and no DC its type 2 only my wifes MG5 has CCS and finding a rapid charger for it is easy chademo and type 2 rapid is becoming harder to find
@@DJRaffa1000 the type 2 DC charging ports on ‘older’ Model S’es (which aren’t being sold anymore) are a thing of the past, these aren’t even supported by Tesla’s own V3 superchargers. There are photos online of the new Model S with a Type 2 CCS port, that is definitely what will come to Europe.
@@44Bigs you said it yourself "what will come" ... as of now if you buy a model S or X you will get one with a type2 port and thats it. The refresh with CCS port is not available at the Moment. The CCS Hardware is installed in these, but you still need to buy an adaptor and the car still only has the max 150kW type 2 port
Hi TC! GREAT VIDEO! one note I have is Tesla does come with a -CCS- (I'm wrong! it comes with J1772 adapter, not CCS) to Tesla charger adapter, so you can charge Tesla on any supplier's charger outside. My model 3 has it and I have used it, unless you're talking about something else and I'm confused as always! (yes, TC was talking about CCS with two FAT pins!)
CCS? With the two big fat pins? They've been coming with a J1772 adapter since the beginning, but as far as I know they haven't released their CCS adapter yet.
Fantastic video, a must watch for any EV owner or potential EV owner. Helped a lot with my Mach-E even though I got it about a year ago and knew most of the info! The in depth analysis is greatly appreciated!
@@JasperJanssen uh what do four wheelers have to do with EVs? the title said "electric cars" not EVs typical fat bearded gamer guy in his 3000lb wheelchair mentality. please dont comment if you've never seen the inside of a gym, thanks.
but his off yes at home there is 400A's 240V ( yes 3P can be seen at home/rural area's but as a rule single phase one the race for now but wished the usa 🇺🇸 was the same as Europe with 400+V and 3P power and as a plus equipment can be standardised world wide and power sharing around the world ) i have it right now and it's becoming more common practice to build it with it and 100A's is dieing off thankfully and 200A becoming the next smallest common users size
20A @ 240 is piss slow for car charging and that's ok most of the time like me going to bed for 8+ hours and waking up to a full battery but for coming home for dinner and needing to go afterwards for shopping or visiting family or friends 200 miles/hours away no that's with a 100A / 20KW is 💕and yes i have done that lots of different times with a gas car say a 2 hour ish nap after work ( wile the wife packs are only working car ) and then straight to family 500 miles away plus i really cannot sleep in a moving car/plane ✈ as it gives me nightmares ect. but ship's🚢 i can
One of the most wonderful things about moving south and away from Chicago is no wind. You don't appreciate it until you experience it. Sunny and 45° and you can wear a long sleeve shirt, not dress for the Arctic. You can have a picnic and your food does not blow away. You can put out your trash and it doesn't end up all over the neighborhood. It's life altering.
I just bought a plug-in hybrid Ioniq because the Ioniq 5 (and most other SUVs) are out of my price range right now. It's incredibly frustrating that there are so few options there are for smaller, non-luxury electric cars
the closest thing right now comes in the form of the Chevy Bolt, which just had its price dropped by almost 6K, down to 26K. it's also pretty compact, not that much larger than my Spark.
If you're willing to look at used there's fantastic deals out there. I bought a '14 Spark EV for less than $9k. Granted it's only 80 miles of range, but as a city car commuter, that was a steal. After 20k miles I've only had to replace tires, and the 12v battery.
i personally really like the Nissan Leaf living here in the suburbs ($17k), it has a range around 150 miles so road trips are difficult but its great for the commute
I love how whenever I bring up electric cars to my parents or in laws, suddenly everyone is taking a cross country road trip every weekend. My mother in law (who doesn’t drive) said “well what if you wanted to go to Sudbury?” Which is about 350km away. A short google and I just said ‘yup. Can make it on one charge.’
If things were a bit more dense and roads were made safer, short car trips can even be replaced by (e)bikes. I live less than a mile away from the grocery store, but cycling there would be terrifying because I'd have to go along the gutter of a very fast road. (I still walk when I can though)
Eh I just like that my gas car cost 16k, can go 400 miles in a single tank and will likely last til about 300,000 miles with minimal maintenance. Maybe by then electric vehicles will be cheaper and more enticing.
@@mrb152 I still own a gas car too. I’m just saying I think it’s silly when people immediately start complaining about the range on an electric car. As if they regularly need to drive 400 miles without a single stop. Personally I don’t drive more than 3-4 hours without needing a stop anyways. Plus 99% of the time I’m just going to work and back so range is meaningless since you charge it at home.
UK BEV owner here (Renault Zoe R135). The one and only advantage I think we have this side of the pond (EU, generally speaking) is the standardisation on Type 2 CCS connectors (except for the Leaf, of course, but again, I think I'm right in saying Chademo is going the way of the dodo over here too...). Even Tesla use Type 2 CCS over here, so it's not like they can't use a "new connector". And great to see ABRP in your video - I have used it since we got the Zoe, and in the one "long trip" I did (London, UK to Nantes, France) I was surprised how close its estimated usage figures were, esp. given I wasn't using "live data" for that trip (which I do now).
In Europe, until recently the CCS2 connectors on Tesla superchargers have been Tesla exclusive, despite compatible connectors on other vehicles. However, they’re starting to role out non-Tesla charging on their network, albeit slowly and inconsistently, but it’s great to see progress in this area.
When the Bolt recall was first happening, I had nowhere outdoors to charge my car at home, so I actually did use fast chargers as basically the only way to charge my car. It... wasn't really that bad? Sure, I needed my car to be in one of five specific places for an hour every two weeks or so, but I could run errands during that time by charging at a Walmart or a mall. And it only took an hour because I have a Chevy Bolt which is just about the slowest fast-charge car available. I *completely* agree with your point in the beginning of this video that getting Level 2 charging in apartments and on streets is far more important and practical than getting fast charging at every gas station or whatever. Just sharing the relatively unusual experience of living every day life with a car I could essentially only fast charge for a few months.
@@nobodynothing6551 it will never be cheap, and demand will make everything about it even more expensive. theyre gonna dangle that global warming stuff over our heads harder than the pandemic bs and price spikes to justify it costing so much because youre "saving gas" and its a privilege to do so while oil is at all time high and the intentions are to never let it go low again. like with housing, your vehicle will follow. the payments and loan interest for ur electric vehicle is gonna be synonymous and as regular as a mortgage. the motivation is definitely there to force electric and bankers/politicians would love to work their job
@@MrPaxio They're already cheap. You can buy new EVs for $30,000. That's nearly half the average new car price. Given a few years, they'll hit the used market for less. The real issue is batteries and recycling, which is primarily an issue with lithium ion, which, by all accounts, doesn't have long before it's replaced by a better battery chemistry.
My God, man! You nearly killed me laughing with that sunglasses in the studio bit at the beginning! That was an excellent bit of comedy timing and thoughtful editing!
0:32 I laughed so much at this joke, best humor yet! Also humored that the subtitles at 7:28 actually go with "thicc". Overall this video has been one of the best, from addressing the liquid cooling to emphasizing a single wind turbine more than cover the growing power demands. I don't plan on getting myself a car, but maybe I can convince other family to switch now. A big influencer has in fact been concerns about knowing there's some sort of standardizing still being sorted out; I'm glad that was a key point here.
@@uzijn He's done a lot of videos, but we're used to seeing him always neatly dressed up in a suit, which kinda stands out. The clips of him in a car seem normal enough, of course he'd be in a T-shirt and wearing sunglasses, we wouldn't think much about it. The smooth transition he does however draws attention to the fact "this isn't his look".
Thanks so much for this. I've had a BMW i3 for 6 years. I do most of my charging at home. Fast charging is the one downside to the whole experience. Not the waiting, but getting the charger started. It often takes 20 minutes to swap from one charger to another, try the credit card, try the ap, then call the company and have them reboot the charger. Recently it's been better, but I never felt I could rely on a charger to quickly work when I got there or at all. I have the back-up gasoline motor in my BMW and have a hard time imagining owning an EV without it.
That was exactly my experience when I owned my Nissan leaf. Only one charger, sometimes the charge would not work, and I could get stranded. I sold it and bought a model three and a model Y. is the supercharger network was a big part of of the decision
Re: Ability of the grid to support EVs. I am a retired power systems engineer. The issue is not so much whether there is enough supply (eg windmills or other renewable sources). It is the ability of the local transmission to distribution transformer stations to supply the charging stations and the ability of the local residential distribution system to handle home charging. So the transformer stations and the distribution network will have to be significantly beefed up in step with the increased demand and EVs make more inroads (pun intended) into the automotive market. Oh, and by the way, the comparison to the nuclear capacity of Illinois is somewhat disingenuous. Other than hydroelectric, nuclear plants have the lowest cost per kWh than any other plant. So ALL the existing plants are already putting their max output 24 hours a day. Any new electric demand would be served by other newer generation added on top (eg new nucs (not so popular)) or windmills etc. OK, for the purists, there might be times in the wee night-time hours in the spring when nuclear generation exceeds the system demand. If that exists today, that energy is sold to another utility or state or country (I used to buy/sell power with the US for Canada) OR it could be sucked up by growth in EVs. (Nucs don't like/really can't change their output up and down). But occurrences of surplus nuclear should be rare.
Oh absolutely, that's what I meant by it'll need to change (and grow). I just wanted to give people some context. 350 kW sounds scary when you know that you've only got 48 kW to play around with in an large house. Relatedly, one thing I'd like to see more widely implemented is cars that will de-rate their charging speed based on departure time. If everyone plugged in every day, their cars might only need to pull 800 watts to be recharged by the next day. That'll really help. But in the end, this isn't going to happen overnight, and there's plenty of time.
What are your thoughts on ultracapacitors, assuming we get a breakthrough in storage that vastly increases their energy density? Would the spontaneous capacitive loads be disastrous for the grid, shifting the AC wave too much?
Besides the coal soot and sulfuric acid the sulfur makes when the sputtered off sulfur hits moisture in the air, we also don't know what to do with spent fuel rods. After 18 months of use, they're radioactive for 10,000 years.
I was reading an article last night going over the same thing you were saying around 2:15, which is that the real benefit of EV and need for charging infrastructure is really to just flood street parking, parking lots, and apartments with fairly cheap level 1 and 2 chargers to make it super easy to trickle charge everywhere, generally negating the need for big, expensive DC chargers. It was the first I heard of the idea, but it totally makes sense. I was helping a friend research a new car a few months ago and I knew that because they have to street park, an electric car was out of the question. So they got a hybrid instead.
You design to MAXIMUM's and Minimums, not averages is why you are in error in how you frame the conversation. Thanksgiving and Christmas day or your typical Thursday night,... traffic jams of EVERYONE going LONG distance and why vast charging stations with HIGH amperage connectors will be required. Home charging is the cheapest option for sure, but ultimately pointless as your system has to be designed to MAXIMUMs not averages. Same is required of the solar/wind paradigm. Averages are useless when one has a winter storm roll in blanketing a continent in no wind after the storm and no solar for upwards of 2 weeks on average and upwards of a month judging by historical records.
Yeah and then all the wind power and solar power can not charge everyone’s cars and create massive rolling blackouts everywhere instead of just in California.
@@w8stral This channel has a video about the Danger of "But Sometimes" that explains why your framing of maximums is flawed: ruclips.net/video/GiYO1TObNz8/видео.html Finding cheap solutions that work 95% of the time will make it easier to deploy that solution much more widely than $X0,000 per connection stations. I agree, there should absolutely be level 3 chargers available for those going LONG distance. But most people aren't doing that, they're driving 40ish miles a day, which is very easy to keep topped up with a regular 1500 watt home outlet overnight. He even said in the video that until this road trip, he just kept his EVs plugged in at home and never had to think about where he was going to charge or spend time waiting for the car to charge. That's a huge benefit of EVs - we can get to a point where you rarely, if ever, have to physically wait around for your car to charge, it will just be there ready to go when you are. Budgeting for a maximum all the time is just not cost effective when you can design for the typical and have backups ready. I would much rather have wind and solar farms on a large scale with something like nuclear plants to act as a backup rather than rely solely on nuclear, coal, gas, etc. Which, as we saw, still aren't designed for the maximum that Texas saw the last two winters.
@@Rulerofwax24 Part of it is how much you can tolerate failure, and how often that failure is expected to occur. You don't need to design for the worst case if failure is rare and the consequences of failure are not catastrophic, in the case of the LED traffic light, having the odd intersection signal obscured by snow in a rare snowstorm is probably OK to deal with, nobody should be driving very fast anyway so defaulting to a 4 way stop is fine. In w8stral's examples, in the first case it's not particularly catastrophic but it might not be rare, if every year on specific dates hundreds of thousands of EV drivers create traffic jams due to inadequate fast charging, then that's a big problem even if everything works fine the other 360 days of the year. In their second case, it's the opposite, the failure is fairly rare (though intermittent renewable generation arguably raises the chances), but the consequences of a brownout or blackout can be really really bad, so grid reliability always comes first, whatever the cost. In the case of using nuclear as a backup for wind and solar, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Fuel costs for nuclear are so small that it would be more cost effective, if you had to build the nuclear to completely back up the wind and solar, to forget the wind and solar entirely and run the nuclear 24/7.
@@Rulerofwax24 Well, then both you and said video you linked which I didn't bother to waste my time watching, get the MORON STUPID DARWIN award as designing to MAXIMUM's/MINIMUM's is EXACTLY how engineers design things to work otherwise you get cascading failures. And no, you cannot defer charging of vehicles to spread out the load is a common Bull Shit line people use on this topic as people drive long distance and CONTINUE to drive long distance on holiday's. The only solution, is a car with VASTLY greater battery capacity/Range than required. In other words the Optera route where the car has 1000 mile range(I have my order in should they ever finally produce them). This also means the batteries cycle life will be MULTIPLE times greater than a smaller battery pack which has to operate near its 100% DoD instead of operating where ALL batteries operate for maximum life at ~85%-->95% SoC where one only very RARELY goes below 75% SoC. And No, Texas was designed to a maximum...... Look at the graph, Nat Gas was massively overperforming by 30% past its maximum, the problem is that a key piece of infrastructure(valving) did not have its paperwork in order and the power to it that kept if from FREEZING, was turned off as it had been changed from powered by Natural gas to powered by electricity... which due to load shedding caused the cascading failure leading to frozen valving. There are MULTIPLE reports on this topic should you choose to actually read them. Solar/Wind would NEVER be able to attain this condition for multiple DAYS as nat gas did until it finally failed due to.... paperwork screw ups and to be fair a few installations which did NOT have certain portions of their wellheads winterized as ... this is Texas right? It doesn't freeze in Texas???? Oh right... it does. And said backup cost has to come from wind/solar base cost, not pretend it does not happen and is the cost of Nat Gas when in fact it is the cost of Wind's intermittency requiring vastly more quick firing nat gas inefficient turbines instead of the Vastly more expensive much LARGER MUCH more efficient combined cycle nat gas turbines operating at over 65% effficient instead of 40%.
From what I’ve read and heard from EV Go technicians the charging connector for that other car ( Tesla) was designed not to be complicated and break as often as all the other connectors do and this is the reason why so many of them are down. Some car owners are hard on the handles and the main problem. Where as Tesla charging connectors are simplified and break less often
I have to say I’ve never seen a broken supercharger, and Tesla’s integrated charging network adds so much more convenience because you can see exactly how many stalls are open or in use, whereas many RUclipsrs have noted that other public charging networks have next to zero reliability on whether a charger is in service or not.
Really like the educational videos explaining relatively complicated issues in the technology/environment space. I always feel like I'm better able to explain issues to others or learning something new by watching your videos.
There is something awe-inspiring about a cable the same size as a gas pump hose, that you plug in yourself, carrying enough current to power an entire neighborhood.
I live in a very small town in the high desert of Northern Nevada. IIRC, the AVERAGE electrical power draw of an on-grid American home is around one kilowatt. That means ONE 350KW EV charger at my nearest Walmart could power every one of the 70 or so homes in my town, several times over (on average). All through one not very big flexible cable. Neat!
Me and my buddies were just talking about this yesterday and I made the point that: yes driving from one place to another non-stop is cool, but stopping to rest, while you charge in this case, is significantly better and safer for you. Grabbing food and a drink, stretching your legs, getting some rest are highlights of the traditional American road-trip!
This! Plus, depending on where the charger is you may discover something cool you didn’t know existed. This gets back to where chargers should be located. IMHO fast chargers should be located in shopping center parking lots. Places where you can get out of the car, grab a bite to eat, browse the store shelves and maybe buy something, then get in your car and go. Level 2 AC chargers are perfect for hotels, since those are where travelers spend the night. Plug in, go to sleep, and wake up fully charged just like you do at home. They could also work associated with major attractions like amusement parks where people will typically spend much or all of a day. Despite filling a similar purpose, no charger is a good match for a gas station, as those are designed for super-quick stops just to fill up. All those superchargers at Sheetz stations annoy me for that reason.
@@jasonlescalleet5611 > IMHO fast chargers should be located in shopping center parking lots. The funny thing is, where I live (Germany), this is becoming more and more normal, with many supermarket chains (like Aldi, Lidl, Rewe and so on) having a few fast chargers on their normal parking lots, so people can charge their car while doing the normal shopping they would do anyway. I think this will probably be a more common sight around the world in the next few years, since it's so obviously useful. I think every place where you have to go to and park your car anyway can have a few chargers. Staying at a hotel: Charge your car overnight; Somewhere you shop: A supercharger is great; If your place of work has their own parking lot: Why not provide the employees with cheap charging while they are working? The most important employees could even get free charging as a benefit, or maybe all of them if you are generous.
@@biggibbs4678 ... and "charge" from 1 to 100% in about five minutes. EV is still a product for house owners that makes daily short trips and who wants to make a social statement for their neighbours.
I work for a fairly known automobile manufacturer, PHEV/BEV division. This is a great resource for understanding the ins and outs of modern day charging! Wish we could distribute this to all of our customers.
Send it up the chain. The only thing that they might have a problem with is Alec’s inability to hold back his Elon hate. The only reason Tesla had to use their proprietary connector was the lack of an fast charger industry standard when they were developing the Model S. Alec admitted this on Twitter recently, but this video was probably already shot and edited by then.
THANK YOU for this video, I actually work with the (non-Tesla) EV industry and vids like this make me so proud & excited to be working on it, I've shared it around to my teams already!
In this case, the wind sometimes not blowing is actually pretty devastating, especially if it's the only power source you envision using in the future along with solar because you're (the royal you) hilariously opposed to nuclear power. See Germany and California for reference (although, Germany is going the right way, now, which is backwards). But anyway, seriously, all it takes is a bad cold front in winter, frozen turbines, and/or no wind for people to actually die. The cold is by far more dangerous than heat. Anyway, there's just no way that I know of for wind and solar to work as dependable primary power sources. Which is why saying wind can power electric cars is just stupid... Well, that and the fact that California's energy policy has made it so that the electrical grid can't handle people charging their electric cars. *sad trombone noise*
@@MrFreeman012 Considering the wind doesn't blow 65-75% of the time on average for land based wind farms , that's one 😂. Not mentioning "cold Dunkelflautes" like the one in Texas last year. Ah and the sun doesn't shine for over 85% of the time in most of the developed world.
One of life's little frustrations for those of us living in apartment/condominium buildings is that the garage area is serviced by a common circuit. Which is fine when it comes to lights and garage door openers, no one cares about the power cost in that case. But if I ever get an EV, I'm going to have to try to convince the rest of the building to invest in a rewiring project. If someone beats me to it, I'll support their efforts, but I know at least a couple units will drag their heels.
"But if I ever get an EV, I'm going to have to try to convince the rest of the building to invest in a rewiring project." Can't you just give an estimate of electricity usage and offer to pay according to it (assuming the wiring can take it)?
And you have to convince the landlord to even care to begin with. I ran into this with a rental where the water was on a well pump, and the landlord refused to let me hire an electrician at my cost even to get it so a generator could power the well pump during power outages. Same with power to a shed next to the driveway. They didn't want any changes and it didn't impact them......as a result even vacuuming the car out required ~150 feet of extension cords.
At least, you could convince folks to build infrastructure, altough that's propably fruitless. Many, including me, don't have fixed parking spaces. I have to park on the Street - and there is no Infrastructe around here. Chargers around here don't allow over night parking/charging.
@@seneca983 "Just give an estimate" is doing a lot of work here. My month-to-month usage varies enormously, so there's no single value. And why on Earth should I make the treasurer of the building go through the calculations? And when a second unit joins in on the fun, and doubles the work? No one wants to do this. Especially not the treasurer, which (like everything) is a volunteer position.
I love how you do your content, you can really feel unlimited passion This scene with the sunglasses :D It's almost like "I did a thing", completely different content but same passion!
i really appreciate your subtitles. including the (...) bits! Thank you :D it's so awesome to have words be pleasing to read instead of auto. i really, really am grateful that you put in that effort.
Having JUST RECENTLY made a trip to Tennessee in a not EV, I can attest that if we stopped to charge instead of fueling up, we wouldn't have had that drastic of a change in travel timing. Think about it: - Stop for fuel - Grab a snack/meal - Use the lavatory All this can be done and you'll likely burn the same time as an EV takes to charge. It's not like we're really sacrificing that much more time to use zappy go juice instead of dino go juice
I dunno, we stopped doing the stopping for a meal on long trips. It's nicer to get there earlier and spend time winding down (especially as we had a few occasions where service/food took forever to arrive and the stop was closer to two hours than one). Take something homemade and you save money too.
Yep! And honestly, these sites (while they're not in fantastic locations) do a pretty good job of letting you use the restroom and grab some snacks. I actually kind of liked being at a Walmart because we could go in, use a clean restroom, and grab a pre-made sandwich from their deli. Better than a convenience store! And by the time we were done eating, the car was charged and it was off to the next stop.
My experience driving an EV on road trips is - If you plan to get somewhere as fast as possible ie you only stop for fuel, you pee in a bottle, you eat sandwiches out of a cooler while driving, the gas car will win by a long shot every time. A cannonball run is not how normal people travel though. If you travel like a normal human being who needs to pee and eat, and walk around every 90-120 minutes, the time difference on up to about 400 miles of driving is almost negligible in good weather. Bad weather(rain, cold, headwinds), and distances over 500 miles it starts to get noticeable.
I am glad that you brought up the best way foward is not that we should all have EVs but public transport thats accessible and reliable; it is often leftout in these conversations.
Government transport is not the 'best way forward' Protecting easy access to private modes of transportation is fundamentally necessary for the preservation of Liberty. Government simply cannot be allowed to control or be the dominant means of transportation. If they can turn transportation on and off at will it gives them the power to restrict our travel as they see fit. Looking at the last 2 years I can imagine that had government transport been the dominant form of travel, particularly intercity travel, several US governors would have ordered the trains shut down and it would have allowed their 'stay home orders' to be enforced w/o the need for massive numbers of storm troopers (Cops). I could also have seen them implementing a 'ration' system where they required employers to submit your work hours to the government so they can distinguish between work and non-work travel and then only permitted X number of government transport rides per week not associated with your job. We have our private transportation however and that means we were able to tell the politicians to eff-off and travel at will because there aren't nearly enough Cops to block all roads.
I recently did a 650km trip from the Netherlands deep into Germany with an EV. I use one of those Dutch roaming-stock rentals. I was super-scared that I might have to hunt for a working charging port and charge for hours or that the battery indicators would be crap in the EV. On the way to my destination, I looked up locations of fast charging poles and planned an extra stop on the way, just to be safe... the way to my destination turned out to be such a breeze that I did not do that for the way back anymore. I just winged it and looked for a fast-charging pole along the way when the range indicator dipped below 100km range. Got there within 20 km range. Grabbed a bit to eat to charge back to 80% within 40-ish minutes or so and continued on my way. I give a big thumbs-up to the current infrastructure in Germany, though since most cars are still gas-powered, Germany also needs a lot more poles in the short term... Btw - roaming stock rentals are awesome for the point you make at 3:00. In densely populated areas I think they are a super-cool-awsome solution to at least partially solving car dependence. One parking lot can serve 10 households, easy.
on the rental/car share thing: one model i think will be huge in the future is having a pool of vehicles shared within a residential area, especially a rental building. There are two areas like that in my city and it's just so obviously the way of the future.
@@swedneck While I believe that EVs are the future I personally can't believe in the rental model. It would be almost like suggesting that people should live moving from hotel room to hotel room. Do the cars get cleaned between rentals like a hotel room does?
@@nnnnnn3647 No, shit urban planning, poor infrastructure, and a lack of public transit makes you a slave to the car. ICE vs EV makes not a scrap of difference to that issue. Except in so far as changing demand and usage patterns as people switch to EVs Might encourage increased spending on public transit infrastructure... (you know, the one thing that ACTUALLY allows you to NOT be a 'slave to the car'.)
I just happened to see one of your videos on portable AC units you made two years ago. I’m late to the show but I’m so glad you’re still marking awesome and amazing videos!!! Yup I’ll be following you from now on. Keep up the great work!!
Fun fact: Tesla uses the standard Type 2 AC and CCS connectors like every other electric car in Europe ever since Model 3 launched. Also, congrats to your new car. The IONIQ 5 is really neat, especially the paddles on the steering wheels in any Hyundai EV are quite fun to play with when rolling towards a traffic light or driving in the city.
Being a Tesla customer in EU is so much better than being a Tesla customer in the US when it comes to charging options. Is it the same in Canada as in the EU?
Fun fact: the EU refuses to give type ratings to non Type 2 CCS cars ever since that standard was settled upon. Tesla had a choice between fitting a Type 2 CCS or not being allowed to sell the cars in the EU. Same applies for allowing other cars on their charging network. A lot of countries in the EU require that Tesla allows other charging providers on their network. Which again are required to have Type 2 CCS connectors.
@@fermitupoupon1754 I'm not sure what you mean about refusing to give out type ratings but Nissan Leafs are _still_ sold in the EU with Type 1 and Chademo fast charging connectors (though Nissan _is_ moving to CCS2 with new models as well). EU does require public fast charging installations to offer CCS2, though they may offer other chargers as well.
@@mjrauhal There's a bunch of legalese involved, but there is an EU guideline that basically says just that. If it doesn't have CCS2, it won't be approved. As far as I can find the Leaf is apparently an exception, it could be that it's an update to an existing platform in which case it doesn't require an entirely new type rating. The original type rating for the Leaf was granted prior to the CCS2 requirement though, so that could very well be a factor.
I’ve had a Tesla Model 3 Performance since August 2018 and have driven it all over the US and Canada. As far as Edmonton in subzero temps and all the way east to Halifax. I absolutely love it. I’ve saved $10K on fuel costs vs. my last vehicle which got 33 mpg. Not to mention the maintenance is almost non-existent. And regenerative braking reduces brake wear significantly. The supercharging network is so built out now, there’s almost nowhere in the contiguous US you can’t get to. Charging at home and knowing you’ll have a full battery every morning is terrific. Supercharging stops are no problem at all. It’s less stressful taking 20-30 minutes to get a meal, use the restroom, or catch up on phone use.
! I have a October-2018 M3. Live in Maine. 90K miles on it. Same results; Love it no maintenance. Then I went and got a 2020 MY. 16K, no maintenance, use it for camping; drove all across the US. No problems charging at all. Best cars in the world
The luddites here and everywhere don't want to hear it! They have convinced themselves Tesla's cannot road trip or they will have to stop for HOURS. Those of us who know, know. 😂
"And regenerative braking reduces brake wear significantly." I have a mere hybrid (not even the plug in kind, the most dino juice kind) with pretty weak regen and even then my brake pads have been between 5 and 6 mm for the past couple of years. Check every time I change out summer and winter tires. Every change I think "surely _now_ is when they'll need to be replaced" and every change they're still between 5 and 6.
@@seigeengine I’ll support any great product with word of mouth. This is essentially my response to everyone in the comments with negative things to say about EVs.
I did a big road trip (2200km each way) last Christmas in my Bolt EV down the west coast, and along with use of ABRP it was not a big deal at all. That's probably the slowest EV you could possibly take on a road trip (barring compliance cars, in-city short-rangers and the Nissan Leaf) and it still only took us a couple extra hours each day compared to a gas car. As you say, the forced breaks make it much less exhausting to do a road trip, and I arrived feeling better than I ever have after doing a drive that long. Smart timing on your charge stops, sharing food stops with charging, and ensuring you stay at a hotel with L2 charging overnight all do wonders to take any potential pain out of the process. As a side benefit, it's nice to know you're being a heck of a lot better for the environment than flying somewhere.
I have made this particular drive far far too many times. It was fun to see little iconic things along the way like the Corvette Museum. This video (among many others by you) are so well done and I appreciate the work you put into your craft.
This video reeeeally makes me wish apartments offered charging for renters. The tech is so cool and already here, I agree that a major hurdle is making charging at home more accessible!
Your landlord might be willing to put a 220 line from your electrical box to a parking space plug esp if you pay for it but then. What happens when someone else parks there ( not all Apts have a signed parking and when they do its often ignored by others) or someone else not only parks there but proceeds to plug there car into the plug on you electricity
@@mac11380 yep, just get your own place with your own charger. if you're renting, then you're way better off with public charging, or with a good ole CEV
"We should probably also work to reduce dependency on cars for mobility" very true. I've made this point before that if, for whatever reason, you are unable to drive in the United States, you're as good as screwed out of a normal life.
And tbh it's got to the point if you don't have *two* vehicles to lean on, you still might be screwed! Recently took my bike in for a recall that would take 3 hours to finish. They finished in 2 hours.... but broke something requiring the bike to sit there for 3 more weeks! Good thing I had another wholeass motorcycle to ride!
@@bradhaines3142 That too. Not only can you not enjoy life, but you can't even enjoy the pain of working. America is like that movie we all acquiesceingly agree worked, but we all know how close to utter failure it really was.
@@ZunarZulfiqar That's how they go when someone goes off the repair instructions because they know better. Thankfully other than recalls, I do all my own maintenance, so that is not normally an issue.
Glad that in Europe Tesla is forced to use the same connector as everyone else. Though props to them for actually making a better connector (can Tesla connector feed back to the grid like CCS can? - I think this feature is crucial in the future).
*any* connector can feed back to the grid. CCS is not only a 'connector'/plug, but it is *both* the plug specs *and* the communication specs. but to answer what you mean, yes, the Tesla charging spec supports back-charging from the car to power the grid too. CCS and Tesla and CHAdeMO all support this back-charging in the latest specs. Disclaimer: the back-charging ability of all three were secondary sources, not me personally reading it in the specs themselves.
For whatever reason, I've never thought to look up just how much power a common wind turbine generates and I was physically pressed into the back of my chair by how much you said they produce. That's actually mind blowing, holy crap.
It’s crazy how dense our atmosphere is and how much wind power there is going around, simply from trying to balance pressure differences caused by heat differences caused by a star 8 light minutes away.
The key to making the existing grid work with home charging is to have chargers not operate at all times at their maximum charge capacity but instead slow charge at off peak times automatically. Most people for example only need to charge say 35-50 miles of use every day. So instead of plugging in the car and have it charge at max level 2 charge speed when you (and everyone else) gets home at 6pm, you have the car instead charge at a really low charging rate spread continuously from between say 9pm and 7am (when you are not using the car anyway). This spreads the power usage needed to charge those 35-50 miles such that the grid is not taxed by too much power draw at any given point in time (and carried out at an already off-peak time) and won’t hence require a massive upgrade to the power grid to handle all the new EVs. In other words, the “can the power grid handle all the EVs” issue is not a hardware problem but mostly a software one (mainly dealing with when, for how long and at what rate to charge).
The average electric consumption, assuming you could perfectly level out the charging across all of time if we converted the entire US vehicle fleet to Tesla Model 3 LRs would be 89 GW, if I did the math right. (Assuming 3 Trillion miles per year.) That is definitely a substantial strain compared against the US peak load of 700-800 GW. Given you can’t level the load perfectly (since certain times of day already have very high utilization heat/cooling/etc.), it will take some substantial infrastructure investment to support a 100% EV fleet. Luckily we have some time to make those upgrades, as vehicles have quite a long lifespan generally.
@@arjunyg4655 I am not sure how relevant that sort of calculation is because I assume the figures you used also involve miles driven commercially, in addition to personal transportation. I would treat commercial vehicles differently because although obviously there would need to be upgrades to the grid to support them, their charging tend to be performed in a much more physically concentrated manner and thus the grid upgrades to support them should be cheaper. This is vs. say residential neighborhoods which are spread across miles and miles of suburbs. In your typical household you can, today already, refill the entire average daily usage by trickle charging the vehicle overnight using a common 110v outlet and when the grid is already at its lowest usage rate otherwise. As such, what you may need is to replace peaker plants with base-load electric plants, but not necessarily massive upgrades to the distribution grid.
Yeah. If you charge lower rates after, say, 10pm people will just set their cars to charge up after 10pm. And if they *really* need to charge before then they still can, they’ll just pay a higher rate.
Thank you for starting with a discussion of the paradigm change. We also need "destination charging" (L2) at places where cars remain parked for a while: hotels, parking garages, shopping malls, etc.
Problem is, what happens when 100% cars are electric and everyone wants to recharge? That means putting a charger for every single spot. I'm still unconvinced about this.
@@Ale-bj7nd That isn't likely to happen often because collectively EVs are parked for far more cumulative hours than are needed to keep them charged. But even though we don't need to electrify every parking spot, we need a massive increase in the number of destination chargers.
@@Ale-bj7nd The bigger problem is what will happen when less than 5% are BOV, and city councils start littering every parking lot with chargers to push BOVs. I foresee a lot of ICEd chargers, and probably fights when parking lots are almost full, and a BOV parks in a normal place instead of at the chargers.(because it's someone well off that charges at home)
@@timothystockman7533 what if you don't have a "destination"? I mean, parking on the road both going to office and at home. I don't have a "destination" usually.
@@Ale-bj7nd "Destination" refers to L1 and L2 charging as opposed to L3 quick charging. It is called "destination" charging because the car is charging while you're doing something else, such as working in your office or sleeping at home. Destination chargers can be put in along a roadside, just like parking meters.
Props for actually admitting the short falls. It’s neat to me but I do field service so almost would never be able to charge at home so definitely need the charge system built out.
And that's actually one of the valid cases for not using electric. Most people don't do enough driving with enough regularity that electrics wouldn't be the simpler option though.
He's still too much of an EV evangelist for me. It will do NOTHING to help with climate change, which he says is his primary motivation. When I say NOTHING, it's not hyperbole. It will do nothing. The gasoline will still be produced because it has to be for physical reasons in order to produce diesel and aviation fuel and so it will be exported even if we went to 100% electric cars, which at best is a 20 year transition. Also, climate change is not the only problem we face.
@@christo930 Actually, it will do plenty for climate change, because EVs allow actual decreases in transportation emissions that are, more or less, impossible while using ICEs. In fact, EVs are also more efficient to begin with, to the point where even if an EV is powered 100% on coal power, it still breaks even with ICEVs on emissions, meaning in any other situation, EVs are better for climate change. Faulty premise. Refineries can significantly tailor their end products. While exporting the fuels will likely occur, it will be less advantageous than domestic sales, otherwise they'd already be doing it, prices for products still used would likely increase as production decreases overall. Contrary to insane BS, the status quo is not some immutable inevitability.
@@seigeengine You don't understand. Gasoline is a by-product of diesel and aviation fuel and kerosene. When you produce diesel or aviation fuel, you get gasoline first. Oil is heated in stages and each constituent of the oil boils off and is captured. The lightest (lowest boiling point) are gases. Next down is natural motor gasoline. Below that (heavier) are things like diesel and kerosene and aviation fuel. And American oil is very light and has a higher percentage of gasoline than most other oils. We can crack heavier portions of the oil into lighter ones for flexibility, but we cannot make light ones into heavy ones, like going from gasoline to diesel. They aren't going to just throw it away or pump it back into the ground. It will be exported and burned somewhere else (still our atmosphere) and that is assuming we go 100% electric, which ain't going to happen for decades. The average age of an American automobile is now over 12 and with the price of used cars going through the roof, that is going to climb even higher. Used cars have gone up 50% in the last 1.5 years. If we outlawed ICE cars tomorrow, which there is zero percent chance of that happening, it would still take 2-3 decades switch over the fleet. EVs aren't that efficient either and you are assuming the worst case scenario wrong. The worst case scenario is not coal, it's small generation natural gas. My city is loaded with natural gas generators that are in the low megawatt range and are basically truck engines turning a generator. They don't run all the time and so their efficiency doesn't really matter much. This is where spare power comes from. At 3pm in July when everyone has the air on during a heatwave, these things kick on. The marginal watt. Yes, baseload is very efficient. But this ain't baseload. At least in the short-medium turn, inefficient electricity is going to supply this extra load on the grid (though nighttime charging won't be affected by this) We don't have a ton of spare capacity. But all this is beside the point. The gasoline will be refined, sold and then burned. OTR trucking and air flight are not going electric any time soon, if ever.
@@christo930 "EVs aren't that efficient either" What? Electric engine efficiency is around 90%. ICE efficiency is closer to 30%. I think Toyota got one engine to 40% in a lab, but that one never made it to production. For every gallon you burn in your ICE, 70% of it just produces heat. For every kWh you put into an electring engine, 90% of it goes to actually turning the engine, only 10% is lost to heat. This is why it's actually better to burn the gasoline in a central generator for electricity and use that to run EVs.
I have quite a few gear heads in my family and they're always super sceptical of EVs, usually making the all too well-known "but sometimes" argument, usually surrounding lengthy road trips like these. I think I'll show some of them this video next time they try to start something. ;) As a matter of fact, I don't really mind the limited range as it could force drivers to take breaks more frequently, thus potentially reducing stress and fatigue which would lead to a safer trip overall. "We should probably also work to reduce dependence on cars for mobility but that's not in the scope of this video." Thanks for acknowledging it anyway! EVs are great for reducing immediate CO₂ emissions, but the numerous other issues which come with car dependency, both socially and environmentally shouldn't be overlooked and we should push to reduce the necessity to drive - whether it's by redesigning towns to more easily accommodate walking/cycling, introducing transit or building better internet infrastructure to improve WFH.
It's so painfull to explain those things to ICE people. I've never seen one that got it. You really have to try it, to understand it. "As a matter of fact, I don't really mind the limited range as it could force drivers to take breaks more frequently, thus potentially reducing stress and fatigue which would lead to a safer trip overall. " This is the worse I think, they REALLY can't get they heads around how beneficial it is to make some pauses.
tbh electric public transport is where is at, electric buses and such, in fact in my city (in spain) some buses are hybrid, idk how much of the trips they do are with electricity or with gas but it's some progress and i think its a good thing and hope it becomes widespread
If they are truly car enthusiast gear heads, then I’d suggest renting a fast EV and take them for a ride in it. Them experiencing the instant torque and acceleration will show them EVs are fantastic cars in a way that they will understand and relate to. I myself was (and still am) a huge gearhead and i still love the sound of a nice german V6 or American V8, but after driving my friends tesla and it being literally twice as fast as my Mercedes, I realized EVs are definitely the way of the future.
The thing of it is, for the people that regularly have to drive long distance, there is no time for more breaks. It doesn't matter for most people off on a vacation, and for most people the infrastructure is already there to make long distance trips a non issue. what happens, though is that the people on one side see that casuals are fine with whats there and think that EVs can work for everyone, while on the other, those same casual drivers think they are the daily long haul drivers that EVs cant sustain yet. In reality EVs are just fine for most people, assuming they are going to buy a new car anyway. Then there's the folks like me, on a schedule and putting 30,000+ miles a year on the clock. I have places to be at set times and an extra hour dicking around waiting for a charge means paying for an extra night in a hotel room or missing a job. It's not great, but for the moment I can still pump 20 gallons in 3 to 5 minutes and be off for another 500 miles with all my gear and room to spare. On the note on immediate CO2 emissions, for anyone that actually wants an EV to help the environment, and they plan to get a new car in less than 8 years, they are better off buying a used gas car that gets 25MPG. it will take over 8 years driving the EV to pay back it's carbon footprint versus not building another car.
We've wanted to end world hunger for generations and yet we refuse to find a way. "When someone will make enough money off of it a way is likely to be discovered."
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Do we really want to end world hunger, or do we want to throw bombs at everyone to show how big our d... er, to show how cool we are?
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 While we've 'solved' the current technological problem of ending world hunger i.e. we collectively produce enough calories to adequately meet the needs of everyone on earth and the logistics to transport those calories to where they are needed, technology is perhaps less than half of the whole problem since there's also the political, social and economic components. For the economic example: just giving food to African nations in the 80's destroyed local agriculture so when that food went away for various reasons, well... bad things happened. And for a political example look at the current conflict in Ukraine, which is a major breadbasket, the harvest there is gonna be hurt badly not only directly by the inability of farmers to plant and the destruction of infrastructure, but indirectly by logistics being blockaded or used for wartime purposes.
@@alphax4785 Obviously the problem isn't the amount of food, it's how we distribute and allocate it. As long as capitalism creates incentives for food to be allowed to spoil rather than be eaten by people who can't afford access the problem will continue.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Bzzt Wrong! Food spoils because it's food, it's perishable and preserving all of it, especially when it is already on store shelves is actually impossible. Capitalism and the markets are so far and above the best mechanisms we have for food production, preservation and sustainability it isn't even funny since it actually takes into account technology, economics, politics and sociology rather than top down dreck that is neglectful in all areas simultaneously AT BEST and is actively malicious at worst. Economically again just look at all that 'free food' we dumped in Africa... that again wrecked local agriculture since local farmers couldn't compete and their governments weren't wealthy and/or farsighted enough to subsidize them so again when the free food spigot turned off because 'problem solved!' or whatever reason there was inadequate local agriculture and so famines. And for political look at Ukraine in the 1930's where piles of grain were deliberately left to rot at the railheads and millions starved to death because the Soviet government had their utopian agenda which didn't include the 'kulaks.' And then after all the farmers were in their collective farm utopia production never reached a tithe of what it would've reached under a free market since there was little incentive to work hard, little incentive to innovate better farming practices and equipment, little incentive to petition the monolithic government to shell out the rubles for better fertilizers when production was already 'good enough' and etc. Heck, for a current example of a top down self imposed agricultural disaster, google up Sri Lanka's 'organic farming' push where they went from being a rice exporter to having to import 20% of their needs at ruinous cost because 'organic' farming basically needs twice the land to produce half the crop of non organic.
18:17 I am happy to hear this! Gonna go check the progress on all of that, even if it's only been a month and a half I'd hope to see something, even if just a more publizied plan. Just like you, I reserve my judgement as well. I sort of expect a very hefty price for other vehicles to charge at Tesla stations, but Tesla possibly allowing this is a big step forward, even if it takes a while to progress to the point that Tesla cars can use every station and Non-Tesla cars can as well, that's awesome. Even if Tesla stations cost a little more for non-Teslas, I honestly don't mind. I mean, it does have to get paid for somehow, and they are doing a pretty fantastic job at setting their stations up all over, even in rural areas which you just don't see with others, understandably so.
I feel like Tesla is to the electric car what apple was to smartphones early on, pushing mass appeal, but clinging to it's proprietary tech as other companies in the industry help it become more popular via quality, lower cost alternatives. It's lightning vs usb-c all over again
Yes, but more like Lightning vs a Serial port. (Am I dating myself?) There was no way that ridiculous toaster plug and obnoxiously thick cable was ever going to fly when it was made very clear to us that "not much worse than a gas pump" was NOT an acceptable standard. As in "Elon would've fired your ass after publicly humiliating you"-clear. That being history, why isn't the question now: How long is CCS going to "cling" to this massively outdated standard? Seriously though, will that thing be the standard in 10-20 years?! Imagine plugging your Android in with a full USB A! Isn't it on CCS to come up with the equivalent to a sleek, not-stupid USB C? I mean, Tesla's patents "are belong to you". Would USB-C exist if Apple's proprietary standards hadn't shown consumers they could expect better than that USB mini and micro garbage? (I'm no cable historian so that could be off, but the point remains.)
@@csn583 Well, I'm sorry to break your bubble, but yes, CCS is likely going to be the standard for the entire foreseeable future. Cars are big and every car from now to year 3000 is going to have room for the CCS connector. Phones are quite different in that regard. And even then, I personally would love it if my phone had full USB A...
Except in this case Tesla offered their design free for anyone else to use, supposedly. No one appears to have taken them up on that, though, so we'll never know how that would have gone.
@@csn583 At the time of iPhone release there were a few dozen of _bona fide_ smartphone models from their competitors that were already using micro-USB connector which is considerably smaller (in all 3 dimensions) than Apple's 30-pin dock connector, which Apple stubbornly used until iPhone 4S/3rd gen iPad. Admittedly, at the time of switching to the Lightning connector micro-USB was getting dated (primarily because of power delivery) but USB-C, which is a much better connector of comparable size, was released just a year later yet Apple refuses to use it to this day on their iPhones. So, Apple's concern was never about the size, just like Tesla Motors' concern is not about the charging connector size. It's simply a way to ensure additional revenue streams, and a vendor lock-in to an extent. What TM is forgetting is that people think far more of their options when purchasing a vehicle than when purchasing a phone, and TM cannot push for adopting their 'standard' because they don't control the distribution market as much as cell providers do in the US. Which is why they will ultimately fail pushing their proprietary stuff down everybody's throat...
@@gearyae I am in the thinking that the standard automakers were in the mind that they could isolate Tesla by not taking them up on the offer. It is not like they were going to have to pay license fees.
Bravo!! Thank you for the well thought out info and reminding people that most people don't drive to Alaska twice a week. The info on the two different plugs was great. 👏
At around 27:30 onwards, the figures you're quoting are for numbers of cars recharging _simultaneously_ so the total number of cars could be multiplied by 20 or more, if they were all recharged at full speed and at different times. In reality, the numbers could be multiplied by as much as 50, because no car recharges at 350kW throughout the whole of the recharging process. The 350kW is only a peak speed over a fraction of the battery recharging profile.
I live in Norway and have an EV. All cars here use a Type-2 connector, including Teslas. There is 3 phase electrical supply everywhere, namely in places like big underground garages. Street chargers can deliver around 22kw. My 3 phase wall box delivers 12kw. A regular wall socket with one phase power can deliver ~2.4kw (240v * 10A).
Isn't a typical Euro socket in new build supposed to be 16A? That's how it has been in Finland for ~30 years anyway. Maybe the mediterranean electric systems can't cope with it...
My wife bought a 16A 220 charger for her volt (with a nema 6-20 cord) a few years ago and even with only being 3.5KW thats been FINE to keep her car topped off here and there AND also charge my VW ID.4 which I got 6 months ago. Even with that surprisingly low 3.5KW power output - I only bother plugging it in once every few days and when its done I just pop the cord back in my wife's car. Sure, I can't charge from 0 to 100 in a single night's sleep, but i'm more commonly charging from 40 to 80 which it has no problem doing if its plugged in from when I get home from work to the next time I have to leave the house. I won't pay an electrician to come re-run higher gauge wire to be able to install a beefier plug, thats basically a waste at this point. What I will say is that 220V 16A is plenty, 110V 12A is NOT for a couple reasons. First off, its less than half as fast as the 220V charger we have, second off some of the power drawn is wasted on keeping all the electronics in the car on. Thats not a big deal when you have 3.5KW but a major problem when you've only got 1.3KW and the car "idles" at about a 400W draw. The charge rate ends up being more like 900W vs 3100W. Too slow.
One thing I plan to focus on a lot in the next video is the potential of "slow" chargers. I choose to have a 7.2 kW charger because I am on time-of-use rate plans and save money that way. But if I paid a flat rate? That's really overkill for me in almost all situations, even with the Ioniq 5 which is larger and less efficient than a compact car. Lots of people seem to think they "need" to have the fastest charger their car can support and, well, if it's not a problem you might as well go for it but you'll save a LOT of money by running only a 20A 240V circuit and using a 16A charger.
@@TechnologyConnections Yep, we're at a flat ~15 cents per kwh here in upstate NY so it basically doesn't matter when I charge, and it doesn't cost much. I dropped my transportation fuel bill from $100 a month to $30 a month getting the ID4, but also if I still had the car before it it would be more like $150 a month. Thats not nothing.
Agree, and the beauty of 16A 240v is that, depending on your garage (or wherever) wiring setup, you might be able to repurpose an existing (12ga NM) circuit by simply changing a breaker and receptacle and deleting other outlets on the circuit. No new wires to run, which is usually the expensive/destructive work if your panel isn't anywhere near your charging location.
Great video. I find it interesting that people love to forget that when the ICE car became popular there wasnt a gas station on every corner either. New tech always takes time to expand out for general use, but looking at the number of gas station companies globally that are putting in EV charging infrastructure, its hopeful to think that this EV car thing might just take off. FTR i home slow charge my leaf about once a week, but even here in NZ we have a fast growing fast charger network.
Good point. Closer analogy is the AC power consumption of air conditioners mentioned, but yeah, yours is good to think about too. To the other commenter: much easier to carry extra petrol? What? Not really (and it tends to catch fire)-and it's a LOT easier to generate solar energy once the panels are made, than to mine/extract more fossil fuels.
@mipmipmipmipmip Okay. I get that you're being funny, but the point stands. It's still a hell of a lot easier to carry a bit of extra gas in a can or two for a couple hundred more miles and pour it in wherever you are than looking for battery juice when you're empty. You don't end up stranded or need emergency road service. Hell, you can even walk to a gas station and bring back some gas and be on your merry way. You cannot pick up a little battery pack that will get you moving along to the next fast charger. As I said, not the best comparison.
Anyone else think that at 14:54 there was a mixed opportunity of "banana for scale" where for the first time ever the banana is referencing girth, not length? 🍌☺️👍 Seriously, though, absolutely marvelous work as always and cheers to both of you for visiting gatorland! It is one of the hidden gems of that area and so tastefully done. Sure it's a tourist spot, but the fact that they do actual education and a little conservation work as well as entertain really surprised me and put a smile on my face.
@@SianaGearz if your banana comes in fairly uniform size, you probably just didn't live in a place where it's grown and rely on big corporations to import the stuff (and they likely want thing to be fairly standardized, so that's what you got). In southeast asia, banana can range from slightly larger than a thumb up to as large as human arm. They also range from square-y to very round, almost straight to extremely curved, and distinct taste from one variety to another. I heard that they are even more varied in the melanesian region with various colors, shapes, sizes, and tastes.
I've just bought a 2020 Kona Electric. So not only is this video relevant to gain knowledge about my newly acquired EV, it's also featuring the best geek of youtube. Enjoyment will be had! EDIT: @ 5:07: Technically, the wirestuff you're holding is just a power supply (not "an equipment" or a charger). But, people will always call it a charger. I've tried telling people that the thing they plug into their phones are also just PSUs, but I've since stopped (except for in this instance) because of the colloquial understanding of what "a charger" is. EDIT 2: The Ioniq 5 is one hell of a cool car. Congrats with that!=)
After watching this video I feel EV's are a viable option for my next vehicle. I'm only two years into my current car so by the time I buy another, the EV tech will have advanced even further. This is genuinely exciting for me. Thank you for this PSA.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Keep an eye on prices of used liquid-cooled BEVs, then, because their salvage values are very high. Even when the car is wrecked, 60+KWh battery packs have salvage values above $10,000. Lithium batteries will be heavily supply-constrained for a long time, and they're very valuable in many secondhand applications (home solar, custom EV conversions, off-grid setups). If you find a good deal ($200/KWh or less) and have the cash upfront, the total cost of ownership can still be very low, even if you have to scrap it after a few years.
I'm very glad to see your comment! Since a few months now I'm driving electric, and I had the usual reservations before 'taking the leap'. But having experienced the immense speed at which these cars are charging nowadays, I shouldn't have worried. And like everyone here already said: When do you actually have to drive over 200 miles?
Thanks for putting in the part about the “different paradigm” near the beginning. A lot of gas car drivers tend to think within the confines of how they currently refuel, which conjures images of waiting around at a charger for 30 minutes once a week or so. Like you said, in reality, you just charge at home and actually save a substantial amount of time by rarely needing to go anywhere else to refuel.
On a road trip, that's more or less what happens, unless you can find somewhere with something to do for that charging time. (which means these DC chargers have to be placed where there are businesses, vs. the way we cluster gas stations.)
Great video as always. But as someone owning a Tesla with a standard CCS2 charge port in Europe, let me tell you, I still feel beholden to the Supercharger network. Every road trip I took where I tried giving other chargers a chance, I ran into trouble. Each of them have their own app I need to download (sucks when you're paying extra fees for roaming) and set up, they are unreliable (chargers offline, etc.) and generally a hassle. With a Supercharger, I can see its status in the car's navigation system, I roll up, plug in, and in 10 seconds max, I'm charging. I've wasted 5-10 minutes at certain other chargers just to figure out how to start charging (including managing to freeze their software, charging timing out & resetting while I type my credit card details - of course their shit website didn't support autofill, etc.). I literally could have saved time driving from a fast charger to the next Supercharger and plugging in there. I don't know what it's like in the US, but unless other companies get their shit together, here the Supercharger network is still a major advantage of having a Tesla, regardless of plug compatibility.
The whole app thing should be illegal. Or, rather, it should be mandated by law that they have to have credit card readers. If they want to offer a discount for app users, _fine._ But for the small amount of time I should actually need a DC fast charger, I'd rather pay the extra to not have another stupid app on my phone and account I have to worry about.
ABetterRoutePlanner is pretty good, and has a high degree of tweak-iness to fine tune it for your needs (things like assumed baseline efficiency, extra weight from cargo/passengers, weather assumptions... you can put in assumed headwinds!) I've made two trips that required fast charging stops, both ended up being much better than expected in terms of actual battery % and time spent charging. The only pain in the butt is with all the different charging networks have different payment systems: though EA and EVGo but support credit cards at the dispenser, there's often* a slight discount for being a member [edit: often paid membership! Read TOS closely] which means you have an app or RFID tag. Not sure if Chargepoint DCFC stations have credit card scanners but their L2 locations definitely need an app. * The prices at many fast charging stations are set by the operator, which may be the land owner/business at that location and not the network brand.
> there's often* a slight discount for being a member (which means you have an app or RFID tag). Just to note, those discounts generally only apply if you're a *paid* member. For instance, Electric America has a $4/mo membership that cuts their charging code by like 1/3. This makes perfect sense to join if you use their chargers even just twice per month, but unless you're charging exclusively off DCFC, or taking a LOT of road trips, that membership is not necessarily going to save you any money.
@@nnnnnn3647 It's... not meaningfully different from the current situation with ICE cars. Well, you trade the ability to store extra fuel in gas cans or the like on long trips for the ability to refuel while the car's sitting around in your garage overnight, and I'm sure it's not too hard to find use cases where that's a bad thing rather than a good one (though the sorts of vehicles and uses for which the ability to just load up extra fuel is relevant generally also have other requirements that make current EV tech less than ideal anyway), but other than that? The problem is the car and infrastructure designed around it, not EV vs ICE. EVs are fundamentally an attempt to make money off patching some of the flaws in the car based system. They're a step up in most regards, but they're still Cars, with most of the problems that brings with it. To avoid being a slave to the car requires properly implemented public transit (which, shockingly enough, should Also be electric in most cases... though overhead wires are vastly superior to batteries in almost all use cases. Capacitor banks are the answer to most of the 'but sometimes!' issues.)
"Once you get a taste of it...." You're absolutely right. I got an EV in 2019. Then earlier this year, I had to drive an ICE rental for a few months. After that brief step back into gas powered vehicles, I know that I don't ever want one again.
... My aunt after slipping on frozen MN garage lugging ev cables never wants another EV again, she says no old person wants to risk a hip for a less capable car. My uncle parks in his driveway cause he can no longer drive well enough to get into garage. Like with nuclear in 60s these small negatives will slow adoption and maybe stall at 10% like pools and hot tubs while most have other things to spend time and money on, I love hot tubs but apparently others dont showing feelings about a tech vary. .... Maybe if Feds grandfather in anyone over 40 can keep buying gasoline cars forever, otherwise the old will vote out anyone telling them they must get Ev. . . . . Maybe just am speculating..
I’m waiting on the charging industry in Australia to realise the revamped model for petrol stations is going to be a massive cash grab. If you’re going to be stuck at a location for a minimum of 10 minutes, building a convenience/leisure stop with food/coffee shops, indoor seating and entertainment options is essentially printing money, and could be even more lucrative than traditional petrol stations. It also would have the benefit of reviving dead small towns. Now that the world is moving towards standardised charging at high speed, it looks more and more like that is the way of the future.
@@marcuskissinger3842 you totally missed the point. Electric charging stations that will eventually replace petrol stations are going to be lucrative because they’ll have a literally captive audience while the vehicle charges. Actual petrol stations now aren’t lucrative yes but that was never the point I was making
@@Underestimated37 you said they could be “even more lucrative than traditional petrol stations.” I wasn’t responding to your main point; I was responding to the implication from “even more lucrative,” which implies that traditional petrol stations are lucrative. You agree that’s false, so do you either 1) think your statement doesn’t have that implication; or 2) think your statement is false?
Fun fact. In Denmark many have taken to calling the NEMA (in Denmark just a normal plug) supply cable: The grandma cable. :) Since we have a lot of power available, many get the type 2 supply installed. The type 2 uses 400V and gives up to 12kW of continuous supply. But it often throttles that, in conjunction with price and supply from solar.
For me, a 1900 kilometre road trip is a two day affair. I would charge the car overnight while I slept, and the lunch break in the middle of each day would be more than enough to charge the battery all the way to full. So it wouldn't actually add any more stops or time to the journey at all.
A 1900km/1200 mile trip is an easy two days. We do NW of Baltimore MD to Fort Lauderdale FL (1,100 miles) in a day with one driver. We usually try to keep it to 1,000 miles a day, but have figured out timing to miss most of the traffic on this particular route.
@@zambitiber1394 some people stop at friends/family midway on long trips, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more hotels offering charging, especially normal 120v
@@TreesPlease42 plenty of places have some charging but not many have good charging it is major work to have multiple level 2 chargers for a hotel and depend on the supply and state of charge a level 2 may not be enough to charge a vehicle over night and that just things like the ioniq sub 100kwh batteries since you also have trucks coming out with massive 212kwh batteries now
(I am in China.) My family has been using a BYD BEV car since 2018. China also has national charging standards for 2 type of connectors/chargers (Since ~2015?). One is "slow charging" 220V AC. Usually at 5KW max. Another is DC fast charging. Voltage depend on car's battery. Usually max at 50KW. My car has a 41KWh battery, rated at ~3xxV 1xxAh. Max fast charging power is ~40KW. Usually take 1.5h to complete a fast charge. It works the same way in this video. Though in Beijing, we dont have home chargers. We charge at a public (kind of community owned) slow charging station. Just 10min walk from my home. But China usually only provide fast charging station, owned by National Grid. Charging BEV is not that easy like US which you have your own garage.
I've been driving electric for a while now (and yes it is a car from THAT brand) and loving it to the point that I will probably never go back to driving ICE cars. I've got literally 0 range anxiety for any of my day to day use or even the occasional daytrip. My only "fear" now is that when we get at a point where most everyone is driving electric cars that recharging during peak road-trip seasons is going to be a pain with long lines and wait times. Because each summer like half of NW Europe gets in to their cars all at the same exact time (with or without campers) to drive to Southern France or Spain. It's actually bad enough that they warn about these days on the news, literally calling them "black weekends" because of the stupid amount of traffic they cause.
I have been putting off switching to an EV but I think I am finally ready with the help of reassuring videos like yours that the "range anxiety" is irrational and EV ownership is much simpler than I used to think. Also it seems like in the last 5 years or so prices have come down dramatically and the number of fast charging stations has multiplied exponentially
Unless youre driving 300 miles a day. Range anxiety is a myth. Youre charged fully everyday at home, and when you finally do need those 300 miles and have to charge on a trip, chargers are everywhere now a days.
EV prices haven't really come down dramatically... they are still quite expensive compared to the average gas car. Some metrics, like range per price have gone down. And other factors like inflation of the prices of gas cars and the rising price of gasoline have made EV prices seem more reasonable.
Ready or not, almost all new EVs are sold (reserved) out until 2023 or later, and manufacturers are moving them all into the luxury segments. The used Bolt EVs will probably be the last examples of reasonably-priced EVs for a while (in the US at least), but "hot hatchbacks" aren't everyone's cup of tea. If you have a home with off-street parking, and you drive more than ~8,000 miles per year, a mid-range EV might serve you well.
@@Valencia_Media - I’ve been driving an 80 mile range LEAF for three years. Since it charges at home every night, range anxiety is not an issue. For road trips I just take my IC pickup.
Wasnt the Texas issue dealing with a 100 year weather event though? I'd be more concerned with California's issues with power production every summer. I'm sort of surprised since California probably has a higher than usual percentage of ev drivers 😀
I've had a Mach-E since November of last year. Last weekend was my first road trip in it and the first time I haven't charged at home. No issues with charging at all, and stopping every 2 hours or so was fine. By the time we went to the bathroom and had a quick break, we were ready to head on out again.
would love to see a technology connections video about reduced mobility dependence on cars related video that DOES have that within the scope of the video :)
you won't see it, most of the noise is cooling fans because they're designed for theoretical 15+ megawatt draws under which they're still not allowed to catch fire, they're industrial electrical grid equipment
We could do the same with your nearby transformer on a hot summer day when everyone is using their AC full blast at the same time (hint: they're designed to handle that power)
@@Cat_Stevens I'm sure they can *handle* it, but there always are losses, almost always in the form of heat. Transformers, rectifiers, etc. always have an "efficiency", and even with less than 1% loss of 1MW that should be very visible. I'm sure they're capable of getting rid of that heat, and that's what I'd like to see. The thing about a EV charger is that you can get a hundreds-of-KW(With multiple cars multiple MW!) load that could be toggled during a video, with the transformers etc. next to the cars, and I'd like to see that in thermal infrared :P
The problem with building out the grid in the modern era is that most power companies are run by MBAs instead of engineers, and therefore are incompetent.
I can’t speak into the statistics on the degrees of upper management of utilities but having an MBA and being an engineer are not mutually exclusive. You can have both a Bachelors in Engineering and an MBA…. Just saying
Without even speaking of the government regulation that governors the grid you just show how highly ignorant on the subject. Electric utilities are heavily regulated across the US. No Utility can do anything without authorization.
@@UrielX1212 oh, you are just being mean. Yes,, there are more factors than just "technical factors" in "the real world". And pointing out one element of the problem of "building out the grid" is what Brian brought up. And yes, govt bureaucrats can be a problem for anything. And elected politicians can be a problem for anything. And mainstream car manufacturers have been a problem for EV industry.
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THERE HAS BEEN SOME NEWS. CCS is probably dead. I made a video which you can watch.
ruclips.net/video/ZJOfyMCEzjQ/видео.html
None of the fundamentals to this video have changed, and in fact the technology is simply being ported to a new... port. But yeah, things are moving fast, so just keep that in mind!
I love the diligence of going back to update a year old video with a pinned comment. Thanks!
You do a great job of dryly putting something down, and dryly admitting you might be wrong. Not many do self criticism.
Just for anyone reading this without clicking the video, it'll live on as the standard, including for Tesla, in the rest of the world.
Nice to see that you turned the 'egg on your face' to a nice sandwich for everyone to enjoy. 👍
I’m watching this for the first time in late 2024, and got to the Tesla part and was just thinking about how quickly things have changed. Glad to see this video still in place and even with my Bolt EUV with the CCS connection, I’m incredibly happy that the national has basically decided upon a single standard that really was done better than CCS. Will be amazing to see what solid state batteries bring to the game.
As an engineer for 43 years, I must say that I LOVE standards because there are SO MANY OF THEM TO CHOOSE FROM!!!
I think 100 is too many standards, we should adapt all of them into one.
I think 101 is too many standards, mine is better and everyone should adopt.
I think 102 standards is too many...
It's like that one XKCD comic
* Issue: There are 10 competing standards
"I know, let's make something that covers everyone's use cases!"
* Issue: There are 11 competing standards
That's pretty funny...lol
Someone needs to make a CCS1 connector that has an even beefier set of cables at the very bottom. 500kW is not fast enough!!! 😆
😁
"And we can see how the charging equipment in this car works, trough the magic of buying two of them"
I died.
@@johnnylav my condolences
I wouldn't be surprised, but thankfully in this case it's more "the magic of really good engineering documentation".
When the US military hires him to make videos, maybe. ;)
I laughed myself sterile
I work in the charging industry and this is one of the best I've seen explaining how they operate and some of the technical reasons behind it. Really good job!
Can you comment, then, on last mile capacity? Most of the stuff you deal with (I assume) will be 3φ. But as mentioned, the primary use case depends on at-home charging. I don't know how many households our local LV transformer supports, but I do know it is ~300kVA for in-ground cable capable of ~650kVA (6x3φ each aggregate 450A). Here, each household is given an allowance of ~2.5kVA, so that's "only" 120 houses anyway, relying on load diversity. (I hear most Italian houses are fitted with fuses that allow a peak of only 3kVA! You can ask for 6kVA, but you pay extra whether you use it or not.)
Setting aside generation capacity, of which we (the UK) do not have nearly enough even for current demand even ignoring EVs or heat pumps, how are we going to do this? 7.4kVA 1φ smart home chargers (which will effectively quadruple per-house allowances, on a naïve estimation) to sequence and balance load, yes, upgrading LV step-down capacity, yes, but it seems the cable in the ground is going to be a problem if everyone has an EV. Which might happen, if the EU makes good on its promise to ban CO2-emitting vehicles altogether by 2035.
and my dad works at nintendo and he said Sony just flew over his house!
@@MrTeddy12397 Xbox Live
@@StrixTechnica ok I can not speak for the USA. But here in the UK the average car is driven about 8400 miles a year or about 23 miles a day so about 50 minutes a day on a 7kw home charger. As long as everyone dose not try to do that at exactly the same time, we will have no real issue
Some will do one full charge a week taking maybe 6 hours on Saturday or Sunday after noon others will do 2 over night charges from 1 to 4am etc etc
As far as total demand goes all 31 million UK cars even when all of them are EVs will add back 65twh to total UK demand or about 18% still below the total level of demand the UK had in 2006. The grid was ok then.
We have more than enough generation as long as ev charging is kept out of peek times , and as overnigh off peak is still only about 7-10p per kWh and peak rate can be high as 40p per kWh, anyone with more brain cells than teeth, will not be charging at peak times.
If you want to worry about blackouts this winter, worry about the actual gas supply to the powers stations, don't worry about not having enough power stations we have plenty.
@@patdbean, you're right, it can be made to work, but only if there is some smart sequencing done by DNOs. That requires smart meters and appropriate EVSE etc. My point was that you're relying on an even greater degree of degree of diversity factor (as it's called in UK power engineering) than we already do, and EVs present load for far longer than, say, boiling the kettle as with "TV pickup". And even if the _grid_ can cope, my point was about last mile infrastructure, ie the cable in the street outside your door.
On overnight tariffs, I think you are probably kidding yourself if you think that the 5-10p/kWh rates will endure for long, when Ofgem's notional energy price cap would have been >50p/kWh and is only 35p because of the astonishing amount of money the government is dishing out to subsidise bills. That sort of debt funded spending is not sustainable for long.
Generation and blackouts are another question altogether. The subject of my earlier comment to mike fadie was about charging and associated infrastructure. The prospect of blackouts we now face is completely unrelated, and at least that has a relatively straight forward answer, if the government could be arsed to do anything about it. Hitachi/GE's ABWR reactor design can be built in under 5 years. We could add new generation relatively easily, but we can't currently even keep a PM for more than a couple of months!
The King said it best, "dear, oh dear. Anyway..."
Hi! There has been news. In May of 2023, Ford signaled their intent to switch to Tesla's connector beginning with cars made in 2025. Assuming they go through with the decision, that will make the charging landscape somewhat more fractured - but CCS networks have a sucky reputation right now, and I honestly can't blame Ford for wanting to sidestep that. Still, I have very mixed feelings about it.
Time will tell what this means for charging moving forward, and on account of me not seeing this coming, I won't bother making any other predictions.
First off woah that's new second off Hhhhhhhhhhhhh let's be glad Ford doesn't have a lot in the market yet because oh my word we can't keep doing this.
What are the main issues Ford would want to sidestep?
@@MsEyelinered Reliability. The CCS stations have a reputation for chargers being out-of-order more often. And fewer chargers per station make any downtime more impactful.
@@MsEyelinered Reliability issues. Electrify America (and other CCS networks) have a poor reputation of being down or non-functional at seemingly random. And poor customer communication regarding the status of their stations. Lots of reports of their app saying station is available just for them to get there and all stations are offline or won't turn on. In every reliability survey I've seen, Tesla has come out on top with American CCS networks near the bottom. I think Ford just got tired of dealing with their customers constantly reporting public charging problems that they could do little if anything to fix.
The irony is so funny here, given that you chose Ford for the example at 23:04
Such an excellent explanation. My version of this trip was barely more than an experience vlog
Yours is way more fun, though!
@@TechnologyConnections Your videos are plenty fun for how informative they are. I've learned a LOT from you already.
I read this comment in your voice lol.
An electric car means you are a slave to the car.
@@nnnnnn3647 Did you watch the video? It's clear from what Alec said that the cars are more than capable of an 18 hour road trip with just under 2 hours of charging... The forced breaks are kinda mandated by the highway code anyway so this doesn't seem like such an issue
Legends say that adding RGB strips to those liquid cooled cables would result in 69% charge speed increase
Could even set them to blue for improved cooling. Or green to make it even _more_ environmentally friendly!
I know you're being silly but I actually like this idea XD
must be exactly 420 LEDs on the strip
but Alec *_hates_* blue LEDs 🤣 🔵🔵🔵🔵💙
Adding an RBG likeness makes it more fair
boosts it to 420KW transfer
The fact you can pump in 350kW into something and that something doesn't go up in flames is insane in its own right.
That's because it really is going into 360 things. The battery isn't a single thing, rather it's 360 individual cells, so 972 watts per cell, and even that isn't sustained (it falls drastically as the cell fills up with energy). Still that's quite a lot of power per cell -- 4x what USB PD can deliver!
@@odouroushouseant 972 watts per cell is absolutely huge.. Wouldn't want to be doing that with a battery with cheap second rate cells..
@@odouroushouseant That’s fucking nuts. 260 Amps per cell? That math must be wrong. That’s like what…a 100C charge rate? No. Those cells would explode.
(edit: I guess I did not consider that these might not be 18650 cells. Prismatic cells with larger capacity might support a higher charge current. /shrug)
@@Lucien86 electric resistance space heaters are typically 1500 watts for comparison.
@@odouroushouseant 360? Where did you get that odd figure?
I typically only breathe slightly harder out of my nose when seeing a very funny bit in a video or meme (when alone) but that transition from the car to the desk with your sunglasses and hair from the car and then the audible disgust absolutely sent me. I even made noise when I laughed. Thank you for what you do!
Came here to see if someone already said this, and there you are. 😅 I loved that the fix entailed a total of (1) taking off the shades, (2) letting his hair down, and (3) putting a tweed jacket over the charger tee. "There, NOW I look professional!"
Lololol
I have a "charger" that plugs into my dryer outlet. It has an adjustable-rate output of 8, 10, 13, or 16 amps. Using the 8 amp output I am able to change off my solar panels without overloading my inverter. It has the added benefit of a slower charge which is easy on the batteries!
Selectable charge rate on the charger is nice, especially if the car dosen't let you pick.
@@volvo09 hey, you can always splice a beefy rheostat into the cord 😂
Ah but see, that just means your tailpipe got longer. Now it’s out to the sun.
if you have to put quotes around charger that deeply worries me
@@antiphon000 It is because it doesn't do the charging like with a phone charger, it delivers power to the vehicle which handles the actual charging. It is for most people a pretty meaningless distinction but important for understanding how infrastructure works now and how it will in future.
I've had a Nissan Leaf for seven years now, and I can definitely agree that non-EV owners don't understand the charging paradigm shift. I don't take it on road trips at all due to its short range, but for driving around locally, I've only ever needed a public charger twice in that time. And even then, only because I was intentionally pushing it to see how far I could go. I don't have a fancy 240V charger at home either, I've just used the standard included 110V this whole time, and it's been great.
Totally. I'm hoping as more people get electric bikes they and their friends will start to get it too.
Similar car/time here. I've been using the 110V outdoor charging at home, and my office garage has 220V free charging. This has handled 80% of my mileage for commuting and in-town driving (which the east coast also has plenty of free electric charging at shopping centers), and we also have a gas car for the occasional cross-country road trip or just need a second car. The savings in gas almost paid for the car loan itself.
Ohhhh. Good for you.
Suggestion. Get a gasoline generator and throw it in your trunk. It’s better than being stranded.
Out of curiosity (cause I legit haven't looked far enough into the actual ownership of an EV to know), are you able to charge from a 15A or do you still need it on a 20A breaker?
I've always explained the charger port thing as "Tesla is the Apple of the EV world." People get that pretty much instantly. Not sure if that says more about Tesla or Apple tbh!
Except Tesla charging is comparatively ubiquitous and cheap.
It super accurate too because just like Tesla's connector, Apple's lightning was invented before the Type-C spec was finalized.
@@the_lucifer I agree about the timeline. But Apple uses Type-C on both their MacBooks and iPads, but not on their iPhones. Makes you wanna say Hmmm...
You aren't wrong. Tesla, like apple, had to invent their own connector because the available connectors on the market weren't good enough, then everyone else went a different direction and they were left holding a different standard (this happened twice, both in the USA and in Europe).
It's not really Tesla's fault, and they are adding the universal connectors to their supercharger network now, presumably in preparation for changing the ports on their cars.
@@insertphrasehere15 Tesla is not going to change the charging ports on their cars. They will simply add an additional cable and probably offer adapters too. Why would Tesla want to switch their thin elegant easy to handle in sub zero temps cable with a bulky cable and connector. LOL
I just realized why I keep coming back to these videos at random, the tangents this guy goes through are Really entertaining to me.
One super good feature of home charging is that you are using the power mainly during the night when there is most spare generation capacity available anyways.
Quite true. Not only are you not paying extra for the fast charger owner's profit but you're buying cheaper electricity as well. There's also some interesting ideas i've seen companies floating where your house could use your car's battery if the power goes out.
@@alexsis1778 There are cars already that can provide AC out from the charging socket quite easily. It's really a good idea to have a smart grid where your car charges off cheap power and then gives some back during peak hours or even blackouts.
I don’t want that wear & tear on my car’s battery. They have a fixed number of charge cycles & once they’re used-up, the battery loses capacity and eventually becomes unusable
Yep. The solar panels everyone's fitting on their roofs will really help with this.
@@electrictroy2010 It's not quite like mobile phone batteries etc. which are really tormented by charging them fast and full and start degrading fast after a few hundred cycles. When you have a big battery and only use the capacity between 20-85% or something, keep the currents low and temperatures under control they will last a very long time. There is wear of course still, but the amount is important for calculations on is it worth it. If you can save the cost of a battery swap in 5 years but need a new battery in 10 years then it's worth it.
I'm surprised you didn't mention charge tapering, because no car AFAIK will aloow you to charge at the full DC charge rate (350kW, or even 50kW on my 2020 IONIQ) right up to 100% capacity in order to preserve the battery longevity and that juicy battery warranty they offer.
It's not just about the health of the battery. As the surface of the anode is filled with electrons it physically takes longer for the oncoming ones to find space. So the current and subsequently the wattage have to decrease.
Maybe that's in the next video?
This is also why it’s not great to arrive at a fast charger with a too high state-of-charge like at 25:30.. you can shave off quite some charging time if you manage to arrive with as low a SoC as possible to maximize charging speed. Still, most people don’t care about this type of planning and will gladly ‘drip charge’ their car to 100%SOC at a fast charger no matter the queue behind them.
Maybe he could add typical charging curves for EVs to show this. It is much faster arriving with say 10%, then chargeing to 70% and repeating that arriving with 30% and charging to 90%.
@@44Bigs The charging gods reward the brave
As an automotive engineer working on EV charging systems, these videos are just great. I have sent links to your previous EVSE video to many people to explain how charging works and how it is not some kind of chore that requires hours and hours of standing around. I really wish the OEMs and the enthusiast outlets would hammer home the fact that DCFC is not a necessity unless you are doing long trips, have no access to an outlet, or travel more in a day than you could recover overnight. I am really looking forward to more of your EV systems videos.
One commenter put it a bit more succinctly: "I have a 250 mile range car, but a 180 mile range bladder." Lunch has to fit in there somewhere too.
I travel a lot. 300mi trips are not uncommon if not more. The range needs to be much better with faster charge times before I consider. If it can't come close to a 5min gas fill up then there isn't really a discussion to be had.
@@hockeymikey why isn't there
@@defvii There what?
@@hockeymikey You should try an EV with decent range. Having 15-20mn pause, in the middle of it will get you, way less tired in the end.
About charging. IMO If you don't have a plug at home or at work, don't even consider having an EV. Going to the "pump" like for an ICE, is not worth it.
Interestingly in the EU Tesla is using CCS since the release of the Model 3 if I remember correctly. Also, 3-Phase Charging is basically the "state of the art" for at-home charging or public chargers which aren't DC. At least in the D-A-CH room, I'm driving around :)
Retired sparky here and you will NEVER see a 5
three phase service in 99.999% of homes..If you had a $200 million 150,00 square foot mega mansion you might be be able to get three phase Servuce..
@@garbo8962 debatable.
400V is available everywhere in the EU.
Some homes has 400V washing machines and stoves.
Still, it's irrilevant.
240V from a plug in the wall it's plenty enough.
I have a fancy mennekes wallbox I barely use, the EVSE is way handier.
The grid generally has a huge amount of excess capacity at night, which is why just about every power company offers a "time of use" plan. So, where I live, peak power costs about 14 cents/kWh, and off peak is 4 cents.
So, for home charging there is already a giant built in incentive to charge during off peak hours.
Just as many areas don't have off peak hours though. I haven't seen a peak/off peak billing in over 20 years where i live, they used to have those controllers on your water heaters and such to turn them on and off as the grid needed, thats not a thing anymore either. I think about 20 years ago they called it simplified billing and got rid of the off peak rate. Though to be honest where i live in the midwest we have some of the cheapest power, around 9-10 cents per kWh is the average around here. We have had load shedding in the middle of the night due to AC demands when its hot or heating demands when its cold, i don't think there is a big excess of capacity.
It's going to get interesting as more solar PV comes on line and more people (any, in our area) charge EVs at night. We might see off-peak rates go away.
honestly kWh prices like these makes me wonder why there are so few electric cars on the road in america.
since all that stuff with russia happend electricity prices more than double in germany.
we used to sit at around 20-24 cents per kWh, if your provider kept you at 36 cent or below you where one of the lucky few. i have to pay 48 cents per kWh now and its only going to get more expensive.
@@sWaRmBuStEr You allowed the Greens into talking your government into shuttering your nuclear power plants. As a rrsult, unlike France, Germany uses a lot of natural gas for electricity. In the US, we mostly use NG for "peaker plants. So the natural gas plants run in the afternoon, and rurn off at night.
Also, I have the largest nuclear power plant in the US across town.
In San Diego the off-peak pricing is a glorious 19 cents/kWh *IF* you have a TOU plan just for EVs. Peak pricing is closer to 54 cents and at that price most EVs are roughly the same price as driving a gas vehicle when the gas price is around $6/gallon (assuming 4 mi/kWh). Charging stations in town are usually around the same price, between 30 and 65 cents/kWh. This makes the EV proposition in a state like CA, where you would expect strong EV incentives due to gas prices and distances, actually quite poor by comparison. If electricity was 14 cents all the time it would be absolutely amazing. As it is even the standard non-peak daily pricing of 22 cents is nuts (peak is from about 3pm to 9pm, off peak night hours are usually from midnight to 5a).
A suggestion: When listing off numbers, and comparing them, do it visually. If you want to show X kilowatts vs Y kilowatts, show a small bar graph, so it's visually comparable, rather than only numerically comparable.
Why bother. Most people can intuitively tell the difference between to number
Even better: Props! Get a bunch of old batteries and put them in piles on the desk to represent the relative values being compared. Bonus points if the difference is large enough to dramatically dump them out all over the place.
Yes, specially for non native English speakers
@@PiOfficial Not true. I can see swapping your "most" with "many". Different people have different learning abilities. I can't make sense of a table of numbers. But gimme a graph and I can better understand. Now, numbers thrown out in a dialog, I can't remember one from the other.
@@PiOfficial Imagine a spreadsheet with no numbers anywhere, and instead the program just reads everything to you. Or, imagine instead of graphs, a report just has a bunch of text telling you the numbers "margin one: fifty-two percent, margin two: seventeen point eight seven percent" etc.
Many people, including myself, would prefer to have a visual aid.
Fun to see some interest in the DC charging business. I'm an engineer at a charger manufacturing company and particularly in the DC charging field for larger vehicles (ie busses mostly). They tend to be charged with pantographs or contact hoods for the higher power ones. We have a 380 kW charger for instance (at least R&D does, maybe not our customers yet) that can either divide its power over 8 vehicles or if bone others are connected (or if the others are scheduled to charge with 0 W) it can just put all that power in a single EV.
Crazy stuff.
Also ask me anything about ocpp, my company does that too on both ends.
"Also ask me anything about ocpp"
All right, then. What does "ocpp" mean?
@@felixmoore6781 Maybe Omni Consumer Products added a movie Production arm to the company after building RoboCop?
@@felixmoore6781 Open Charge Point Protocol
OCPP? Yes please!
1. How universal is OCPP? Is it supported by all smart chargers (home, fleet, public)?
2. What needs to happen for unidirectional smart home chargers to participate in grid-wide smart charging? Does OCPP's support extend from the EVSE all the way across the internet to a third-party server?
a) What kinds of cyber-security measures are implemented in OCPP? Is it vulnerable enough to be the weakest link in a grid smart-charging system?
3. How difficult is it to build a fleet smart charge controller?
a) What hardware links does OCPP support? Does it go on the back of e.g. ethernet/TCP/IP? CAN?
b) Would the controller be an off-the-shelf PC or does it need more specialised hardware?
c) What's the software like for a fleet controller? Is it simple enough to lash together in-house? Are there off-the-shelf packages? Are they any good?
4. Is OCPP ready for V2G?
As you might have guessed, I'm also an engineer :D. My background and PhD are in semiconductor devices, in which time I did lots of instrumentation for custom measurements/tests/characterisation, so I've played with LabVIEW, GPIB, USB etc. I'm now a power electronics engineer working for a rapidly-growing young EV company (can't really call it a 'start-up' any more) working on the factory R&D side (working on, shall we say, smaller factories than one might expect). I don't work on EV charging, but I am *extremely* interested in charging and V2G, and I'm pretty much the biggest charging geek you'll find. I am giddy at the thought that, with ISO 15118-20 now published, Hyundai Motor Group's experiments with AC V2G with We Drive Solar might become the broader reality in a few years. I can't help myself from sketching out designs in my head for fleet management solutions that my employer's potential customers might want, and OCPP is the bit I understand least well.
@@gigabyte2248 no time to read this. Sorry mate
0:32 Why did you put so much dedication into this 3 second joke😭
Some of the things I really appreciate about your videos are that it seems they are well researched factually. Another is that you push boundaries sometimes, but in a gentle way. A third is your attention to things I never noticed before, like some car manufacturer's use of separate yellow lamps for turn signals. (Every time I see that now, I am reminded that my first exposure to the idea was watching your video about the topic). Thank you for your work and efforts.
I love liquid-cooled cables being used to reduce cable weight and thickness. I thoroughly enjoyed this deep dive into how the technology actually works.
TIG welding uses something similar as well
Really? I find it rather concerning; what will the charger look like in a few years, what are the recurring maintenance costs? Will most of the less-popular chargers just see reduced throughput as repairs are put off and (hopefully present) safety mechanisms reduce charging speed when the active cooling breaks?
There's only so small the cable can go before the line loss becomes excessive. (even a 4/0 welding cable loses a measurable amount of power @ 500A... "R" may be small, but "I squared" is huge. Higher voltage allows lower current, but higher volts requires greater insulation, and makes any damage _extremely_ dangerous.)
I love the idea... But I fear a bit the additional failure points and non-repairability of the system.
Thank you for making a highly informative video that I don't actually have to fact check (unfortunately, a rarity with today's RUclips "experts"). You even nailed the fairly obscure fact that current CCS can provide up to 500 A at up to ~700 V, making those chargers literally 350 kW (rather than just theoretically). Bravo, and keep up the good work!
Your ending statement about the grid expanding with demand was spot on. Your update in the middle made me trust you even more.
Don't be so sure about demand driving expansion of the grid. If that were the case, we'd not see so many rolling brown-outs and blackouts such as we see in California and now Michigan.
@@MrSlappySwanson My California power company turns off the power on high wind days to prevent fires. I don't think we will build power plants until the demand goes up, like he said with AC units.
the fact that the model 3 (here in the EU market) came/comes with a native CCS plug was the reason i even considered it.
Without that (and the back then not so many supuerchergers) i wouldnt have been comfortable to buy one. Soley for the reason of "not getting stuck outisde the range of a supercharger but having a CCS charger nearby"
I *now* know that that would mostly be a minor inconvenience and it practically never happens, but still the native CCS plug was the straw for me that pushed me into looking at Teslas .... and half a year's worth of research later my bank account was a lot less healthy
The sole reason that Teslas in the EU have a type 2 CCS plug is because the EU refused to issue a type rating for their new vehicles if they did not comply with a standardised plug.
The only cars that are around which haven't got a Type 2 CCS are old Teslas and early generation Leafs.
@@fermitupoupon1754 even the 60kWh Variant of the Leaf 3 (i believe) has chademo here
Its a real shame
At least in 2019 when i looked at everything available every leaf available was Chademo.
And even newly sold model S are type 2 DC only (type 2 connector has a DC spec that goes up to 150kW) altho they can get the CCS adaptor since 2020
And all those model S are type legal here in the EU so that likely isnt the main reason that model 3/Y have CCS natively
@@fermitupoupon1754 and we are glad of a standad plug makes charging easier just a pain for us early adopters my 2016 22kw zoe has 22kw AC charging and no DC its type 2 only my wifes MG5 has CCS and finding a rapid charger for it is easy chademo and type 2 rapid is becoming harder to find
@@DJRaffa1000 the type 2 DC charging ports on ‘older’ Model S’es (which aren’t being sold anymore) are a thing of the past, these aren’t even supported by Tesla’s own V3 superchargers. There are photos online of the new Model S with a Type 2 CCS port, that is definitely what will come to Europe.
@@44Bigs you said it yourself "what will come"
... as of now if you buy a model S or X you will get one with a type2 port and thats it. The refresh with CCS port is not available at the Moment.
The CCS Hardware is installed in these, but you still need to buy an adaptor and the car still only has the max 150kW type 2 port
Hi TC! GREAT VIDEO! one note I have is Tesla does come with a -CCS- (I'm wrong! it comes with J1772 adapter, not CCS) to Tesla charger adapter, so you can charge Tesla on any supplier's charger outside. My model 3 has it and I have used it, unless you're talking about something else and I'm confused as always! (yes, TC was talking about CCS with two FAT pins!)
CCS? With the two big fat pins? They've been coming with a J1772 adapter since the beginning, but as far as I know they haven't released their CCS adapter yet.
Exactly what I was thinking.
@@TechnologyConnections Oh right! not the two big fat pins! That's CCS?! Told you I don't know what I'm talking about!!
@@ElectroBOOM why would you know anything about electricity, you random youtuber ElectroBOOM with 5.1 Million subscribers!
@@ElectroBOOM Now I'm waiting for the "ElectroBOOM bypasses the Tesla charge port" video...
Fantastic video, a must watch for any EV owner or potential EV owner. Helped a lot with my Mach-E even though I got it about a year ago and knew most of the info! The in depth analysis is greatly appreciated!
uh, what does any of this have to do with EVs?
@@Blox117 what does charging EVs have to do with EVs? I don’t understand the question.
@@JasperJanssen uh what do four wheelers have to do with EVs? the title said "electric cars" not EVs
typical fat bearded gamer guy in his 3000lb wheelchair mentality.
please dont comment if you've never seen the inside of a gym, thanks.
but his off yes at home there is 400A's 240V ( yes 3P can be seen at home/rural area's but as a rule single phase one the race for now but wished the usa 🇺🇸 was the same as Europe with 400+V and 3P power and as a plus equipment can be standardised world wide and power sharing around the world ) i have it right now and it's becoming more common practice to build it with it and 100A's is dieing off thankfully and 200A becoming the next smallest common users size
20A @ 240 is piss slow for car charging and that's ok most of the time like me going to bed for 8+ hours and waking up to a full battery but for coming home for dinner and needing to go afterwards for shopping or visiting family or friends 200 miles/hours away no that's with a 100A / 20KW is 💕and yes i have done that lots of different times with a gas car say a 2 hour ish nap after work ( wile the wife packs are only working car ) and then straight to family 500 miles away plus i really cannot sleep in a moving car/plane ✈ as it gives me nightmares ect. but ship's🚢 i can
One of the most wonderful things about moving south and away from Chicago is no wind. You don't appreciate it until you experience it. Sunny and 45° and you can wear a long sleeve shirt, not dress for the Arctic. You can have a picnic and your food does not blow away. You can put out your trash and it doesn't end up all over the neighborhood. It's life altering.
I just bought a plug-in hybrid Ioniq because the Ioniq 5 (and most other SUVs) are out of my price range right now. It's incredibly frustrating that there are so few options there are for smaller, non-luxury electric cars
the closest thing right now comes in the form of the Chevy Bolt, which just had its price dropped by almost 6K, down to 26K. it's also pretty compact, not that much larger than my Spark.
If you're willing to look at used there's fantastic deals out there. I bought a '14 Spark EV for less than $9k. Granted it's only 80 miles of range, but as a city car commuter, that was a steal. After 20k miles I've only had to replace tires, and the 12v battery.
i personally really like the Nissan Leaf living here in the suburbs ($17k), it has a range around 150 miles so road trips are difficult but its great for the commute
It's incredibly frustrating people continue to look at EV's with rose colored glasses.
@@xr6lad Are you sure that's the idiom you meant? Usually rose colored glasses means looking at things as _better_ than they may have been, not worse.
I love how whenever I bring up electric cars to my parents or in laws, suddenly everyone is taking a cross country road trip every weekend. My mother in law (who doesn’t drive) said “well what if you wanted to go to Sudbury?” Which is about 350km away.
A short google and I just said ‘yup. Can make it on one charge.’
Everybody parks on the street, commutes 500 miles a day, and tows a 20 foot boat.
@@jamesvandamme7786 lol exactly.
If things were a bit more dense and roads were made safer, short car trips can even be replaced by (e)bikes. I live less than a mile away from the grocery store, but cycling there would be terrifying because I'd have to go along the gutter of a very fast road. (I still walk when I can though)
Eh I just like that my gas car cost 16k, can go 400 miles in a single tank and will likely last til about 300,000 miles with minimal maintenance. Maybe by then electric vehicles will be cheaper and more enticing.
@@mrb152 I still own a gas car too. I’m just saying I think it’s silly when people immediately start complaining about the range on an electric car. As if they regularly need to drive 400 miles without a single stop.
Personally I don’t drive more than 3-4 hours without needing a stop anyways.
Plus 99% of the time I’m just going to work and back so range is meaningless since you charge it at home.
UK BEV owner here (Renault Zoe R135). The one and only advantage I think we have this side of the pond (EU, generally speaking) is the standardisation on Type 2 CCS connectors (except for the Leaf, of course, but again, I think I'm right in saying Chademo is going the way of the dodo over here too...). Even Tesla use Type 2 CCS over here, so it's not like they can't use a "new connector". And great to see ABRP in your video - I have used it since we got the Zoe, and in the one "long trip" I did (London, UK to Nantes, France) I was surprised how close its estimated usage figures were, esp. given I wasn't using "live data" for that trip (which I do now).
“Behind the scenes” Tesla cooperates with the CCS standard. It is just the physical interface with the car that looks different in the US.
In Europe, until recently the CCS2 connectors on Tesla superchargers have been Tesla exclusive, despite compatible connectors on other vehicles. However, they’re starting to role out non-Tesla charging on their network, albeit slowly and inconsistently, but it’s great to see progress in this area.
When the Bolt recall was first happening, I had nowhere outdoors to charge my car at home, so I actually did use fast chargers as basically the only way to charge my car. It... wasn't really that bad? Sure, I needed my car to be in one of five specific places for an hour every two weeks or so, but I could run errands during that time by charging at a Walmart or a mall. And it only took an hour because I have a Chevy Bolt which is just about the slowest fast-charge car available.
I *completely* agree with your point in the beginning of this video that getting Level 2 charging in apartments and on streets is far more important and practical than getting fast charging at every gas station or whatever. Just sharing the relatively unusual experience of living every day life with a car I could essentially only fast charge for a few months.
the main reason is..electric cars are gay.
2nd reason is they are causing more harm than good
@Tendies Offmyplate how do you figure?
@Tendies Offmyplate They'll never replace the Horse.
@@nobodynothing6551 it will never be cheap, and demand will make everything about it even more expensive. theyre gonna dangle that global warming stuff over our heads harder than the pandemic bs and price spikes to justify it costing so much because youre "saving gas" and its a privilege to do so while oil is at all time high and the intentions are to never let it go low again. like with housing, your vehicle will follow. the payments and loan interest for ur electric vehicle is gonna be synonymous and as regular as a mortgage. the motivation is definitely there to force electric and bankers/politicians would love to work their job
@@MrPaxio They're already cheap. You can buy new EVs for $30,000. That's nearly half the average new car price. Given a few years, they'll hit the used market for less. The real issue is batteries and recycling, which is primarily an issue with lithium ion, which, by all accounts, doesn't have long before it's replaced by a better battery chemistry.
My God, man! You nearly killed me laughing with that sunglasses in the studio bit at the beginning! That was an excellent bit of comedy timing and thoughtful editing!
Euugh!
That made me really laugh! He has such a great sense of humor about everything, including himself.
0:32 I laughed so much at this joke, best humor yet! Also humored that the subtitles at 7:28 actually go with "thicc". Overall this video has been one of the best, from addressing the liquid cooling to emphasizing a single wind turbine more than cover the growing power demands. I don't plan on getting myself a car, but maybe I can convince other family to switch now. A big influencer has in fact been concerns about knowing there's some sort of standardizing still being sorted out; I'm glad that was a key point here.
hehe.. I chuckled too at both "jokes" you mentioned :P
To me, it was the "floppy floppy zippy zappy"
I don't get the joke at the start :(
@@uzijn He's done a lot of videos, but we're used to seeing him always neatly dressed up in a suit, which kinda stands out. The clips of him in a car seem normal enough, of course he'd be in a T-shirt and wearing sunglasses, we wouldn't think much about it. The smooth transition he does however draws attention to the fact "this isn't his look".
1yr later and the entire industry is moving to nacs. It is amazing how quickly things are changing.
Thanks so much for this. I've had a BMW i3 for 6 years. I do most of my charging at home. Fast charging is the one downside to the whole experience. Not the waiting, but getting the charger started. It often takes 20 minutes to swap from one charger to another, try the credit card, try the ap, then call the company and have them reboot the charger. Recently it's been better, but I never felt I could rely on a charger to quickly work when I got there or at all. I have the back-up gasoline motor in my BMW and have a hard time imagining owning an EV without it.
That was exactly my experience when I owned my Nissan leaf. Only one charger, sometimes the charge would not work, and I could get stranded. I sold it and bought a model three and a model Y. is the supercharger network was a big part of of the decision
That's why I got a Tesla. Never had an issue. Just plug and play.
@@JonathanRootD And that's then again region specific, Tesla can't build that many superchargers per year after all
Re: Ability of the grid to support EVs. I am a retired power systems engineer. The issue is not so much whether there is enough supply (eg windmills or other renewable sources). It is the ability of the local transmission to distribution transformer stations to supply the charging stations and the ability of the local residential distribution system to handle home charging.
So the transformer stations and the distribution network will have to be significantly beefed up in step with the increased demand and EVs make more inroads (pun intended) into the automotive market.
Oh, and by the way, the comparison to the nuclear capacity of Illinois is somewhat disingenuous. Other than hydroelectric, nuclear plants have the lowest cost per kWh than any other plant. So ALL the existing plants are already putting their max output 24 hours a day. Any new electric demand would be served by other newer generation added on top (eg new nucs (not so popular)) or windmills etc. OK, for the purists, there might be times in the wee night-time hours in the spring when nuclear generation exceeds the system demand. If that exists today, that energy is sold to another utility or state or country (I used to buy/sell power with the US for Canada) OR it could be sucked up by growth in EVs. (Nucs don't like/really can't change their output up and down). But occurrences of surplus nuclear should be rare.
Oh absolutely, that's what I meant by it'll need to change (and grow). I just wanted to give people some context. 350 kW sounds scary when you know that you've only got 48 kW to play around with in an large house.
Relatedly, one thing I'd like to see more widely implemented is cars that will de-rate their charging speed based on departure time. If everyone plugged in every day, their cars might only need to pull 800 watts to be recharged by the next day. That'll really help.
But in the end, this isn't going to happen overnight, and there's plenty of time.
What are your thoughts on ultracapacitors, assuming we get a breakthrough in storage that vastly increases their energy density? Would the spontaneous capacitive loads be disastrous for the grid, shifting the AC wave too much?
@@rockspoon6528 Inductors are the bane of grids.
@@adama7752 inductors are pretty much the opposite of capacitors
Besides the coal soot and sulfuric acid the sulfur makes when the sputtered off sulfur hits moisture in the air, we also don't know what to do with spent fuel rods. After 18 months of use, they're radioactive for 10,000 years.
I was reading an article last night going over the same thing you were saying around 2:15, which is that the real benefit of EV and need for charging infrastructure is really to just flood street parking, parking lots, and apartments with fairly cheap level 1 and 2 chargers to make it super easy to trickle charge everywhere, generally negating the need for big, expensive DC chargers. It was the first I heard of the idea, but it totally makes sense.
I was helping a friend research a new car a few months ago and I knew that because they have to street park, an electric car was out of the question. So they got a hybrid instead.
You design to MAXIMUM's and Minimums, not averages is why you are in error in how you frame the conversation. Thanksgiving and Christmas day or your typical Thursday night,... traffic jams of EVERYONE going LONG distance and why vast charging stations with HIGH amperage connectors will be required. Home charging is the cheapest option for sure, but ultimately pointless as your system has to be designed to MAXIMUMs not averages. Same is required of the solar/wind paradigm. Averages are useless when one has a winter storm roll in blanketing a continent in no wind after the storm and no solar for upwards of 2 weeks on average and upwards of a month judging by historical records.
Yeah and then all the wind power and solar power can not charge everyone’s cars and create massive rolling blackouts everywhere instead of just in California.
@@w8stral This channel has a video about the Danger of "But Sometimes" that explains why your framing of maximums is flawed: ruclips.net/video/GiYO1TObNz8/видео.html
Finding cheap solutions that work 95% of the time will make it easier to deploy that solution much more widely than $X0,000 per connection stations. I agree, there should absolutely be level 3 chargers available for those going LONG distance. But most people aren't doing that, they're driving 40ish miles a day, which is very easy to keep topped up with a regular 1500 watt home outlet overnight. He even said in the video that until this road trip, he just kept his EVs plugged in at home and never had to think about where he was going to charge or spend time waiting for the car to charge. That's a huge benefit of EVs - we can get to a point where you rarely, if ever, have to physically wait around for your car to charge, it will just be there ready to go when you are.
Budgeting for a maximum all the time is just not cost effective when you can design for the typical and have backups ready. I would much rather have wind and solar farms on a large scale with something like nuclear plants to act as a backup rather than rely solely on nuclear, coal, gas, etc. Which, as we saw, still aren't designed for the maximum that Texas saw the last two winters.
@@Rulerofwax24 Part of it is how much you can tolerate failure, and how often that failure is expected to occur. You don't need to design for the worst case if failure is rare and the consequences of failure are not catastrophic, in the case of the LED traffic light, having the odd intersection signal obscured by snow in a rare snowstorm is probably OK to deal with, nobody should be driving very fast anyway so defaulting to a 4 way stop is fine. In w8stral's examples, in the first case it's not particularly catastrophic but it might not be rare, if every year on specific dates hundreds of thousands of EV drivers create traffic jams due to inadequate fast charging, then that's a big problem even if everything works fine the other 360 days of the year. In their second case, it's the opposite, the failure is fairly rare (though intermittent renewable generation arguably raises the chances), but the consequences of a brownout or blackout can be really really bad, so grid reliability always comes first, whatever the cost.
In the case of using nuclear as a backup for wind and solar, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Fuel costs for nuclear are so small that it would be more cost effective, if you had to build the nuclear to completely back up the wind and solar, to forget the wind and solar entirely and run the nuclear 24/7.
@@Rulerofwax24 Well, then both you and said video you linked which I didn't bother to waste my time watching, get the MORON STUPID DARWIN award as designing to MAXIMUM's/MINIMUM's is EXACTLY how engineers design things to work otherwise you get cascading failures. And no, you cannot defer charging of vehicles to spread out the load is a common Bull Shit line people use on this topic as people drive long distance and CONTINUE to drive long distance on holiday's. The only solution, is a car with VASTLY greater battery capacity/Range than required. In other words the Optera route where the car has 1000 mile range(I have my order in should they ever finally produce them). This also means the batteries cycle life will be MULTIPLE times greater than a smaller battery pack which has to operate near its 100% DoD instead of operating where ALL batteries operate for maximum life at ~85%-->95% SoC where one only very RARELY goes below 75% SoC.
And No, Texas was designed to a maximum...... Look at the graph, Nat Gas was massively overperforming by 30% past its maximum, the problem is that a key piece of infrastructure(valving) did not have its paperwork in order and the power to it that kept if from FREEZING, was turned off as it had been changed from powered by Natural gas to powered by electricity... which due to load shedding caused the cascading failure leading to frozen valving. There are MULTIPLE reports on this topic should you choose to actually read them. Solar/Wind would NEVER be able to attain this condition for multiple DAYS as nat gas did until it finally failed due to.... paperwork screw ups and to be fair a few installations which did NOT have certain portions of their wellheads winterized as ... this is Texas right? It doesn't freeze in Texas???? Oh right... it does.
And said backup cost has to come from wind/solar base cost, not pretend it does not happen and is the cost of Nat Gas when in fact it is the cost of Wind's intermittency requiring vastly more quick firing nat gas inefficient turbines instead of the Vastly more expensive much LARGER MUCH more efficient combined cycle nat gas turbines operating at over 65% effficient instead of 40%.
From what I’ve read and heard from EV Go technicians the charging connector for that other car ( Tesla) was designed not to be complicated and break as often as all the other connectors do and this is the reason why so many of them are down. Some car owners are hard on the handles and the main problem.
Where as Tesla charging connectors are simplified and break less often
I have to say I’ve never seen a broken supercharger, and Tesla’s integrated charging network adds so much more convenience because you can see exactly how many stalls are open or in use, whereas many RUclipsrs have noted that other public charging networks have next to zero reliability on whether a charger is in service or not.
This does make sense
Sounds like mindset behind Iphone with their awful Lightning port.
@@KOTYAR1 There’s nothing “awful” about a Lightning port. It’s just a shame that’s a proprietary interface.
@@stevenvanpelt486 I think USB 2 is a pretty awful part of it. Like for communication it's like 2008 speed. I'm sure that affects almost no one.
@0:32 I appreciate that you didn't simply cut, but did something else funky so that the lava lamp didn't jump around. It's the little things.
So subtle I didn't even notice
That short gag is probably my favorite joke since “Deetz Nuts”
Woah
Really like the educational videos explaining relatively complicated issues in the technology/environment space. I always feel like I'm better able to explain issues to others or learning something new by watching your videos.
An electric car means you are a slave to the car.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo alright
@@nnnnnn3647 ok cool
There is something awe-inspiring about a cable the same size as a gas pump hose, that you plug in yourself, carrying enough current to power an entire neighborhood.
Thinking that DCFC is a blackout machine? For sure.
I live in a very small town in the high desert of Northern Nevada.
IIRC, the AVERAGE electrical power draw of an on-grid American home is around one kilowatt. That means ONE 350KW EV charger at my nearest Walmart could power every one of the 70 or so homes in my town, several times over (on average).
All through one not very big flexible cable.
Neat!
@@DarronBirgenheier ehm no
Just gives you an idea of how much power is required to move that hunk of metal.
Me and my buddies were just talking about this yesterday and I made the point that: yes driving from one place to another non-stop is cool, but stopping to rest, while you charge in this case, is significantly better and safer for you. Grabbing food and a drink, stretching your legs, getting some rest are highlights of the traditional American road-trip!
This! Plus, depending on where the charger is you may discover something cool you didn’t know existed. This gets back to where chargers should be located. IMHO fast chargers should be located in shopping center parking lots. Places where you can get out of the car, grab a bite to eat, browse the store shelves and maybe buy something, then get in your car and go. Level 2 AC chargers are perfect for hotels, since those are where travelers spend the night. Plug in, go to sleep, and wake up fully charged just like you do at home. They could also work associated with major attractions like amusement parks where people will typically spend much or all of a day. Despite filling a similar purpose, no charger is a good match for a gas station, as those are designed for super-quick stops just to fill up. All those superchargers at Sheetz stations annoy me for that reason.
Yeah sure make excuses for an inferior product. In a gas car you can stop wherever and whenever you want.
@@jasonlescalleet5611 > IMHO fast chargers should be located in shopping center parking lots.
The funny thing is, where I live (Germany), this is becoming more and more normal, with many supermarket chains (like Aldi, Lidl, Rewe and so on) having a few fast chargers on their normal parking lots, so people can charge their car while doing the normal shopping they would do anyway. I think this will probably be a more common sight around the world in the next few years, since it's so obviously useful. I think every place where you have to go to and park your car anyway can have a few chargers. Staying at a hotel: Charge your car overnight; Somewhere you shop: A supercharger is great; If your place of work has their own parking lot: Why not provide the employees with cheap charging while they are working? The most important employees could even get free charging as a benefit, or maybe all of them if you are generous.
@@biggibbs4678 ... and "charge" from 1 to 100% in about five minutes. EV is still a product for house owners that makes daily short trips and who wants to make a social statement for their neighbours.
@@biggibbs4678 Which still depends on location. ICE vehicles just have a headstart advantage on their infrastructure, by nearly a century.
I work for a fairly known automobile manufacturer, PHEV/BEV division. This is a great resource for understanding the ins and outs of modern day charging! Wish we could distribute this to all of our customers.
Send it up the chain. The only thing that they might have a problem with is Alec’s inability to hold back his Elon hate. The only reason Tesla had to use their proprietary connector was the lack of an fast charger industry standard when they were developing the Model S. Alec admitted this on Twitter recently, but this video was probably already shot and edited by then.
Okay. I was about 10 seconds too early in the video posting that comment about the reason for the proprietary connector.
THANK YOU for this video, I actually work with the (non-Tesla) EV industry and vids like this make me so proud & excited to be working on it, I've shared it around to my teams already!
Thanks for your hard work making the future now!!
"I know sometimes the wind doesnt blow. You got me!" Thank you lol I spit food all over my monitor at this! Top notch video as always!
" The danger of *_but sometimes!_* " 🤣
In this case, the wind sometimes not blowing is actually pretty devastating, especially if it's the only power source you envision using in the future along with solar because you're (the royal you) hilariously opposed to nuclear power. See Germany and California for reference (although, Germany is going the right way, now, which is backwards).
But anyway, seriously, all it takes is a bad cold front in winter, frozen turbines, and/or no wind for people to actually die. The cold is by far more dangerous than heat. Anyway, there's just no way that I know of for wind and solar to work as dependable primary power sources.
Which is why saying wind can power electric cars is just stupid... Well, that and the fact that California's energy policy has made it so that the electrical grid can't handle people charging their electric cars. *sad trombone noise*
@@MrFreeman012 Considering the wind doesn't blow 65-75% of the time on average for land based wind farms , that's one 😂. Not mentioning "cold Dunkelflautes" like the one in Texas last year. Ah and the sun doesn't shine for over 85% of the time in most of the developed world.
One of life's little frustrations for those of us living in apartment/condominium buildings is that the garage area is serviced by a common circuit. Which is fine when it comes to lights and garage door openers, no one cares about the power cost in that case. But if I ever get an EV, I'm going to have to try to convince the rest of the building to invest in a rewiring project.
If someone beats me to it, I'll support their efforts, but I know at least a couple units will drag their heels.
"But if I ever get an EV, I'm going to have to try to convince the rest of the building to invest in a rewiring project."
Can't you just give an estimate of electricity usage and offer to pay according to it (assuming the wiring can take it)?
And you have to convince the landlord to even care to begin with. I ran into this with a rental where the water was on a well pump, and the landlord refused to let me hire an electrician at my cost even to get it so a generator could power the well pump during power outages. Same with power to a shed next to the driveway. They didn't want any changes and it didn't impact them......as a result even vacuuming the car out required ~150 feet of extension cords.
At least, you could convince folks to build infrastructure, altough that's propably fruitless.
Many, including me, don't have fixed parking spaces. I have to park on the Street - and there is no Infrastructe around here. Chargers around here don't allow over night parking/charging.
My building doesn't even have electricity wired anywhere near the parking area.
@@seneca983 "Just give an estimate" is doing a lot of work here.
My month-to-month usage varies enormously, so there's no single value. And why on Earth should I make the treasurer of the building go through the calculations? And when a second unit joins in on the fun, and doubles the work?
No one wants to do this. Especially not the treasurer, which (like everything) is a volunteer position.
I love how you do your content, you can really feel unlimited passion
This scene with the sunglasses :D
It's almost like "I did a thing", completely different content but same passion!
i really appreciate your subtitles. including the (...) bits! Thank you :D it's so awesome to have words be pleasing to read instead of auto. i really, really am grateful that you put in that effort.
Having JUST RECENTLY made a trip to Tennessee in a not EV, I can attest that if we stopped to charge instead of fueling up, we wouldn't have had that drastic of a change in travel timing.
Think about it:
- Stop for fuel
- Grab a snack/meal
- Use the lavatory
All this can be done and you'll likely burn the same time as an EV takes to charge. It's not like we're really sacrificing that much more time to use zappy go juice instead of dino go juice
I dunno, we stopped doing the stopping for a meal on long trips. It's nicer to get there earlier and spend time winding down (especially as we had a few occasions where service/food took forever to arrive and the stop was closer to two hours than one). Take something homemade and you save money too.
Yep! And honestly, these sites (while they're not in fantastic locations) do a pretty good job of letting you use the restroom and grab some snacks. I actually kind of liked being at a Walmart because we could go in, use a clean restroom, and grab a pre-made sandwich from their deli. Better than a convenience store! And by the time we were done eating, the car was charged and it was off to the next stop.
My experience driving an EV on road trips is -
If you plan to get somewhere as fast as possible ie you only stop for fuel, you pee in a bottle, you eat sandwiches out of a cooler while driving, the gas car will win by a long shot every time.
A cannonball run is not how normal people travel though.
If you travel like a normal human being who needs to pee and eat, and walk around every 90-120 minutes, the time difference on up to about 400 miles of driving is almost negligible in good weather. Bad weather(rain, cold, headwinds), and distances over 500 miles it starts to get noticeable.
Sure, keep telling yourself that.
And it only makes *more* sense when road tripping with small kids because they have to stop more and they get all squirmy!
I am glad that you brought up the best way foward is not that we should all have EVs but public transport thats accessible and reliable; it is often leftout in these conversations.
Individualism really is a plague
It's left out because it's not feasible. And where it is practical, it is already implemented.
@@littlejackalo5326:
If you build it, they will come.
Make public transport easier than private transport, and people will start using it.
Government transport is not the 'best way forward'
Protecting easy access to private modes of transportation is fundamentally necessary for the preservation of Liberty.
Government simply cannot be allowed to control or be the dominant means of transportation. If they can turn transportation on and off at will it gives them the power to restrict our travel as they see fit.
Looking at the last 2 years I can imagine that had government transport been the dominant form of travel, particularly intercity travel, several US governors would have ordered the trains shut down and it would have allowed their 'stay home orders' to be enforced w/o the need for massive numbers of storm troopers (Cops). I could also have seen them implementing a 'ration' system where they required employers to submit your work hours to the government so they can distinguish between work and non-work travel and then only permitted X number of government transport rides per week not associated with your job.
We have our private transportation however and that means we were able to tell the politicians to eff-off and travel at will because there aren't nearly enough Cops to block all roads.
@@confusedwhale Easier than walking out my back door any time I want to? That's a tall order.
I recently did a 650km trip from the Netherlands deep into Germany with an EV. I use one of those Dutch roaming-stock rentals. I was super-scared that I might have to hunt for a working charging port and charge for hours or that the battery indicators would be crap in the EV. On the way to my destination, I looked up locations of fast charging poles and planned an extra stop on the way, just to be safe... the way to my destination turned out to be such a breeze that I did not do that for the way back anymore. I just winged it and looked for a fast-charging pole along the way when the range indicator dipped below 100km range. Got there within 20 km range. Grabbed a bit to eat to charge back to 80% within 40-ish minutes or so and continued on my way. I give a big thumbs-up to the current infrastructure in Germany, though since most cars are still gas-powered, Germany also needs a lot more poles in the short term...
Btw - roaming stock rentals are awesome for the point you make at 3:00. In densely populated areas I think they are a super-cool-awsome solution to at least partially solving car dependence. One parking lot can serve 10 households, easy.
on the rental/car share thing: one model i think will be huge in the future is having a pool of vehicles shared within a residential area, especially a rental building. There are two areas like that in my city and it's just so obviously the way of the future.
An electric car means you are a slave to the car.
@@swedneck While I believe that EVs are the future I personally can't believe in the rental model. It would be almost like suggesting that people should live moving from hotel room to hotel room. Do the cars get cleaned between rentals like a hotel room does?
@@nnnnnn3647 you are already a slave to the car if you live anywhere with car-centric infrastructure
@@nnnnnn3647 No, shit urban planning, poor infrastructure, and a lack of public transit makes you a slave to the car. ICE vs EV makes not a scrap of difference to that issue. Except in so far as changing demand and usage patterns as people switch to EVs Might encourage increased spending on public transit infrastructure... (you know, the one thing that ACTUALLY allows you to NOT be a 'slave to the car'.)
I just happened to see one of your videos on portable AC units you made two years ago. I’m late to the show but I’m so glad you’re still marking awesome and amazing videos!!! Yup I’ll be following you from now on. Keep up the great work!!
Fun fact: Tesla uses the standard Type 2 AC and CCS connectors like every other electric car in Europe ever since Model 3 launched. Also, congrats to your new car. The IONIQ 5 is really neat, especially the paddles on the steering wheels in any Hyundai EV are quite fun to play with when rolling towards a traffic light or driving in the city.
Being a Tesla customer in EU is so much better than being a Tesla customer in the US when it comes to charging options. Is it the same in Canada as in the EU?
@@b1618t yup also because of the widely spread use of 3 phase charging. You can easily get a Red outlet everywhere.
Fun fact: the EU refuses to give type ratings to non Type 2 CCS cars ever since that standard was settled upon. Tesla had a choice between fitting a Type 2 CCS or not being allowed to sell the cars in the EU.
Same applies for allowing other cars on their charging network. A lot of countries in the EU require that Tesla allows other charging providers on their network. Which again are required to have Type 2 CCS connectors.
@@fermitupoupon1754 I'm not sure what you mean about refusing to give out type ratings but Nissan Leafs are _still_ sold in the EU with Type 1 and Chademo fast charging connectors (though Nissan _is_ moving to CCS2 with new models as well).
EU does require public fast charging installations to offer CCS2, though they may offer other chargers as well.
@@mjrauhal There's a bunch of legalese involved, but there is an EU guideline that basically says just that. If it doesn't have CCS2, it won't be approved.
As far as I can find the Leaf is apparently an exception, it could be that it's an update to an existing platform in which case it doesn't require an entirely new type rating. The original type rating for the Leaf was granted prior to the CCS2 requirement though, so that could very well be a factor.
I’ve had a Tesla Model 3 Performance since August 2018 and have driven it all over the US and Canada. As far as Edmonton in subzero temps and all the way east to Halifax. I absolutely love it.
I’ve saved $10K on fuel costs vs. my last vehicle which got 33 mpg. Not to mention the maintenance is almost non-existent. And regenerative braking reduces brake wear significantly.
The supercharging network is so built out now, there’s almost nowhere in the contiguous US you can’t get to. Charging at home and knowing you’ll have a full battery every morning is terrific.
Supercharging stops are no problem at all. It’s less stressful taking 20-30 minutes to get a meal, use the restroom, or catch up on phone use.
! I have a October-2018 M3. Live in Maine. 90K miles on it. Same results; Love it no maintenance. Then I went and got a 2020 MY. 16K, no maintenance, use it for camping; drove all across the US. No problems charging at all. Best cars in the world
The luddites here and everywhere don't want to hear it! They have convinced themselves Tesla's cannot road trip or they will have to stop for HOURS. Those of us who know, know. 😂
"And regenerative braking reduces brake wear significantly."
I have a mere hybrid (not even the plug in kind, the most dino juice kind) with pretty weak regen and even then my brake pads have been between 5 and 6 mm for the past couple of years. Check every time I change out summer and winter tires. Every change I think "surely _now_ is when they'll need to be replaced" and every change they're still between 5 and 6.
Not sure why you needed to advertise, but okay.
@@seigeengine I’ll support any great product with word of mouth. This is essentially my response to everyone in the comments with negative things to say about EVs.
I did a big road trip (2200km each way) last Christmas in my Bolt EV down the west coast, and along with use of ABRP it was not a big deal at all. That's probably the slowest EV you could possibly take on a road trip (barring compliance cars, in-city short-rangers and the Nissan Leaf) and it still only took us a couple extra hours each day compared to a gas car.
As you say, the forced breaks make it much less exhausting to do a road trip, and I arrived feeling better than I ever have after doing a drive that long. Smart timing on your charge stops, sharing food stops with charging, and ensuring you stay at a hotel with L2 charging overnight all do wonders to take any potential pain out of the process. As a side benefit, it's nice to know you're being a heck of a lot better for the environment than flying somewhere.
I have made this particular drive far far too many times. It was fun to see little iconic things along the way like the Corvette Museum. This video (among many others by you) are so well done and I appreciate the work you put into your craft.
This video reeeeally makes me wish apartments offered charging for renters. The tech is so cool and already here, I agree that a major hurdle is making charging at home more accessible!
just.....offer your landlord 1000 to put in an outlet. why not.
Your landlord might be willing to put a 220 line from your electrical box to a parking space plug esp if you pay for it but then. What happens when someone else parks there ( not all Apts have a signed parking and when they do its often ignored by others) or someone else not only parks there but proceeds to plug there car into the plug on you electricity
@@jessicacolegrove4152 lock up the plug
Money would be better spent buying a house.
@@mac11380 yep, just get your own place with your own charger. if you're renting, then you're way better off with public charging, or with a good ole CEV
"We should probably also work to reduce dependency on cars for mobility" very true. I've made this point before that if, for whatever reason, you are unable to drive in the United States, you're as good as screwed out of a normal life.
And tbh it's got to the point if you don't have *two* vehicles to lean on, you still might be screwed! Recently took my bike in for a recall that would take 3 hours to finish. They finished in 2 hours.... but broke something requiring the bike to sit there for 3 more weeks! Good thing I had another wholeass motorcycle to ride!
good luck having a job with no way to get to it
@@Hansengineering Hmm... sounds familiar. Isn't that how all "quick" repairs go?
@@bradhaines3142 That too. Not only can you not enjoy life, but you can't even enjoy the pain of working. America is like that movie we all acquiesceingly agree worked, but we all know how close to utter failure it really was.
@@ZunarZulfiqar That's how they go when someone goes off the repair instructions because they know better. Thankfully other than recalls, I do all my own maintenance, so that is not normally an issue.
Glad that in Europe Tesla is forced to use the same connector as everyone else.
Though props to them for actually making a better connector (can Tesla connector feed back to the grid like CCS can? - I think this feature is crucial in the future).
*any* connector can feed back to the grid. CCS is not only a 'connector'/plug, but it is *both* the plug specs *and* the communication specs. but to answer what you mean, yes, the Tesla charging spec supports back-charging from the car to power the grid too. CCS and Tesla and CHAdeMO all support this back-charging in the latest specs. Disclaimer: the back-charging ability of all three were secondary sources, not me personally reading it in the specs themselves.
Alex is, without a doubt, the most charming, informative and intelligent host on all of RUclips.
Did you mean "Alec"?
@@MCAlexisYTno I’m sure they were talking about Alex
@@marcuskissinger3842 r/confidentlyincorrect 🙄
@@marcuskissinger3842 Also, its been a fucking year.
@@MCAlexisYT sarcasm but thanks for the Reddit reference
For whatever reason, I've never thought to look up just how much power a common wind turbine generates and I was physically pressed into the back of my chair by how much you said they produce. That's actually mind blowing, holy crap.
It’s crazy how dense our atmosphere is and how much wind power there is going around, simply from trying to balance pressure differences caused by heat differences caused by a star 8 light minutes away.
And that's old small ones. The race amongst the wind turbine manufacturers is on for 20MW per turbine. That's 10 times more than in this video.
That's not mind blowing. That's wind blowing.
That transition from car Alec to desk Alec was just👌🏼
The key to making the existing grid work with home charging is to have chargers not operate at all times at their maximum charge capacity but instead slow charge at off peak times automatically. Most people for example only need to charge say 35-50 miles of use every day. So instead of plugging in the car and have it charge at max level 2 charge speed when you (and everyone else) gets home at 6pm, you have the car instead charge at a really low charging rate spread continuously from between say 9pm and 7am (when you are not using the car anyway). This spreads the power usage needed to charge those 35-50 miles such that the grid is not taxed by too much power draw at any given point in time (and carried out at an already off-peak time) and won’t hence require a massive upgrade to the power grid to handle all the new EVs. In other words, the “can the power grid handle all the EVs” issue is not a hardware problem but mostly a software one (mainly dealing with when, for how long and at what rate to charge).
Exactly. For those who are able, charge at night when the rates are lower and less strain on the grid to boot.
The average electric consumption, assuming you could perfectly level out the charging across all of time if we converted the entire US vehicle fleet to Tesla Model 3 LRs would be 89 GW, if I did the math right. (Assuming 3 Trillion miles per year.) That is definitely a substantial strain compared against the US peak load of 700-800 GW. Given you can’t level the load perfectly (since certain times of day already have very high utilization heat/cooling/etc.), it will take some substantial infrastructure investment to support a 100% EV fleet. Luckily we have some time to make those upgrades, as vehicles have quite a long lifespan generally.
@@arjunyg4655 Agreed. We have some interesting times ahead of us
@@arjunyg4655 I am not sure how relevant that sort of calculation is because I assume the figures you used also involve miles driven commercially, in addition to personal transportation. I would treat commercial vehicles differently because although obviously there would need to be upgrades to the grid to support them, their charging tend to be performed in a much more physically concentrated manner and thus the grid upgrades to support them should be cheaper. This is vs. say residential neighborhoods which are spread across miles and miles of suburbs. In your typical household you can, today already, refill the entire average daily usage by trickle charging the vehicle overnight using a common 110v outlet and when the grid is already at its lowest usage rate otherwise. As such, what you may need is to replace peaker plants with base-load electric plants, but not necessarily massive upgrades to the distribution grid.
Yeah. If you charge lower rates after, say, 10pm people will just set their cars to charge up after 10pm. And if they *really* need to charge before then they still can, they’ll just pay a higher rate.
Thank you for starting with a discussion of the paradigm change. We also need "destination charging" (L2) at places where cars remain parked for a while: hotels, parking garages, shopping malls, etc.
Problem is, what happens when 100% cars are electric and everyone wants to recharge? That means putting a charger for every single spot. I'm still unconvinced about this.
@@Ale-bj7nd That isn't likely to happen often because collectively EVs are parked for far more cumulative hours than are needed to keep them charged. But even though we don't need to electrify every parking spot, we need a massive increase in the number of destination chargers.
@@Ale-bj7nd The bigger problem is what will happen when less than 5% are BOV, and city councils start littering every parking lot with chargers to push BOVs. I foresee a lot of ICEd chargers, and probably fights when parking lots are almost full, and a BOV parks in a normal place instead of at the chargers.(because it's someone well off that charges at home)
@@timothystockman7533 what if you don't have a "destination"? I mean, parking on the road both going to office and at home. I don't have a "destination" usually.
@@Ale-bj7nd "Destination" refers to L1 and L2 charging as opposed to L3 quick charging. It is called "destination" charging because the car is charging while you're doing something else, such as working in your office or sleeping at home. Destination chargers can be put in along a roadside, just like parking meters.
Props for actually admitting the short falls. It’s neat to me but I do field service so almost would never be able to charge at home so definitely need the charge system built out.
And that's actually one of the valid cases for not using electric. Most people don't do enough driving with enough regularity that electrics wouldn't be the simpler option though.
He's still too much of an EV evangelist for me. It will do NOTHING to help with climate change, which he says is his primary motivation. When I say NOTHING, it's not hyperbole. It will do nothing. The gasoline will still be produced because it has to be for physical reasons in order to produce diesel and aviation fuel and so it will be exported even if we went to 100% electric cars, which at best is a 20 year transition.
Also, climate change is not the only problem we face.
@@christo930 Actually, it will do plenty for climate change, because EVs allow actual decreases in transportation emissions that are, more or less, impossible while using ICEs.
In fact, EVs are also more efficient to begin with, to the point where even if an EV is powered 100% on coal power, it still breaks even with ICEVs on emissions, meaning in any other situation, EVs are better for climate change.
Faulty premise. Refineries can significantly tailor their end products. While exporting the fuels will likely occur, it will be less advantageous than domestic sales, otherwise they'd already be doing it, prices for products still used would likely increase as production decreases overall.
Contrary to insane BS, the status quo is not some immutable inevitability.
@@seigeengine You don't understand. Gasoline is a by-product of diesel and aviation fuel and kerosene. When you produce diesel or aviation fuel, you get gasoline first. Oil is heated in stages and each constituent of the oil boils off and is captured. The lightest (lowest boiling point) are gases. Next down is natural motor gasoline. Below that (heavier) are things like diesel and kerosene and aviation fuel. And American oil is very light and has a higher percentage of gasoline than most other oils. We can crack heavier portions of the oil into lighter ones for flexibility, but we cannot make light ones into heavy ones, like going from gasoline to diesel.
They aren't going to just throw it away or pump it back into the ground. It will be exported and burned somewhere else (still our atmosphere) and that is assuming we go 100% electric, which ain't going to happen for decades.
The average age of an American automobile is now over 12 and with the price of used cars going through the roof, that is going to climb even higher. Used cars have gone up 50% in the last 1.5 years. If we outlawed ICE cars tomorrow, which there is zero percent chance of that happening, it would still take 2-3 decades switch over the fleet.
EVs aren't that efficient either and you are assuming the worst case scenario wrong. The worst case scenario is not coal, it's small generation natural gas. My city is loaded with natural gas generators that are in the low megawatt range and are basically truck engines turning a generator. They don't run all the time and so their efficiency doesn't really matter much. This is where spare power comes from. At 3pm in July when everyone has the air on during a heatwave, these things kick on. The marginal watt. Yes, baseload is very efficient. But this ain't baseload. At least in the short-medium turn, inefficient electricity is going to supply this extra load on the grid (though nighttime charging won't be affected by this)
We don't have a ton of spare capacity. But all this is beside the point. The gasoline will be refined, sold and then burned.
OTR trucking and air flight are not going electric any time soon, if ever.
@@christo930 "EVs aren't that efficient either"
What? Electric engine efficiency is around 90%.
ICE efficiency is closer to 30%. I think Toyota got one engine to 40% in a lab, but that one never made it to production.
For every gallon you burn in your ICE, 70% of it just produces heat. For every kWh you put into an electring engine, 90% of it goes to actually turning the engine, only 10% is lost to heat.
This is why it's actually better to burn the gasoline in a central generator for electricity and use that to run EVs.
I have quite a few gear heads in my family and they're always super sceptical of EVs, usually making the all too well-known "but sometimes" argument, usually surrounding lengthy road trips like these. I think I'll show some of them this video next time they try to start something. ;)
As a matter of fact, I don't really mind the limited range as it could force drivers to take breaks more frequently, thus potentially reducing stress and fatigue which would lead to a safer trip overall.
"We should probably also work to reduce dependence on cars for mobility but that's not in the scope of this video."
Thanks for acknowledging it anyway! EVs are great for reducing immediate CO₂ emissions, but the numerous other issues which come with car dependency, both socially and environmentally shouldn't be overlooked and we should push to reduce the necessity to drive - whether it's by redesigning towns to more easily accommodate walking/cycling, introducing transit or building better internet infrastructure to improve WFH.
It's so painfull to explain those things to ICE people. I've never seen one that got it. You really have to try it, to understand it.
"As a matter of fact, I don't really mind the limited range as it could force drivers to take breaks more frequently, thus potentially reducing stress and fatigue which would lead to a safer trip overall.
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This is the worse I think, they REALLY can't get they heads around how beneficial it is to make some pauses.
@@xmtxx if i dont need to why would i? Any road trip below 12 hours wont get a stop any longer than maybe a lunch break
tbh electric public transport is where is at, electric buses and such, in fact in my city (in spain) some buses are hybrid, idk how much of the trips they do are with electricity or with gas but it's some progress and i think its a good thing and hope it becomes widespread
If they are truly car enthusiast gear heads, then I’d suggest renting a fast EV and take them for a ride in it. Them experiencing the instant torque and acceleration will show them EVs are fantastic cars in a way that they will understand and relate to.
I myself was (and still am) a huge gearhead and i still love the sound of a nice german V6 or American V8, but after driving my friends tesla and it being literally twice as fast as my Mercedes, I realized EVs are definitely the way of the future.
The thing of it is, for the people that regularly have to drive long distance, there is no time for more breaks. It doesn't matter for most people off on a vacation, and for most people the infrastructure is already there to make long distance trips a non issue. what happens, though is that the people on one side see that casuals are fine with whats there and think that EVs can work for everyone, while on the other, those same casual drivers think they are the daily long haul drivers that EVs cant sustain yet. In reality EVs are just fine for most people, assuming they are going to buy a new car anyway.
Then there's the folks like me, on a schedule and putting 30,000+ miles a year on the clock. I have places to be at set times and an extra hour dicking around waiting for a charge means paying for an extra night in a hotel room or missing a job. It's not great, but for the moment I can still pump 20 gallons in 3 to 5 minutes and be off for another 500 miles with all my gear and room to spare.
On the note on immediate CO2 emissions, for anyone that actually wants an EV to help the environment, and they plan to get a new car in less than 8 years, they are better off buying a used gas car that gets 25MPG. it will take over 8 years driving the EV to pay back it's carbon footprint versus not building another car.
"We're humans, and when we want things to happen, we always find a way." Is a statement as inspiring as it is dripping with hubris lol
We've wanted to end world hunger for generations and yet we refuse to find a way.
"When someone will make enough money off of it a way is likely to be discovered."
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Do we really want to end world hunger, or do we want to throw bombs at everyone to show how big our d... er, to show how cool we are?
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 While we've 'solved' the current technological problem of ending world hunger i.e. we collectively produce enough calories to adequately meet the needs of everyone on earth and the logistics to transport those calories to where they are needed, technology is perhaps less than half of the whole problem since there's also the political, social and economic components. For the economic example: just giving food to African nations in the 80's destroyed local agriculture so when that food went away for various reasons, well... bad things happened. And for a political example look at the current conflict in Ukraine, which is a major breadbasket, the harvest there is gonna be hurt badly not only directly by the inability of farmers to plant and the destruction of infrastructure, but indirectly by logistics being blockaded or used for wartime purposes.
@@alphax4785
Obviously the problem isn't the amount of food, it's how we distribute and allocate it. As long as capitalism creates incentives for food to be allowed to spoil rather than be eaten by people who can't afford access the problem will continue.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Bzzt Wrong! Food spoils because it's food, it's perishable and preserving all of it, especially when it is already on store shelves is actually impossible.
Capitalism and the markets are so far and above the best mechanisms we have for food production, preservation and sustainability it isn't even funny since it actually takes into account technology, economics, politics and sociology rather than top down dreck that is neglectful in all areas simultaneously AT BEST and is actively malicious at worst.
Economically again just look at all that 'free food' we dumped in Africa... that again wrecked local agriculture since local farmers couldn't compete and their governments weren't wealthy and/or farsighted enough to subsidize them so again when the free food spigot turned off because 'problem solved!' or whatever reason there was inadequate local agriculture and so famines.
And for political look at Ukraine in the 1930's where piles of grain were deliberately left to rot at the railheads and millions starved to death because the Soviet government had their utopian agenda which didn't include the 'kulaks.' And then after all the farmers were in their collective farm utopia production never reached a tithe of what it would've reached under a free market since there was little incentive to work hard, little incentive to innovate better farming practices and equipment, little incentive to petition the monolithic government to shell out the rubles for better fertilizers when production was already 'good enough' and etc.
Heck, for a current example of a top down self imposed agricultural disaster, google up Sri Lanka's 'organic farming' push where they went from being a rice exporter to having to import 20% of their needs at ruinous cost because 'organic' farming basically needs twice the land to produce half the crop of non organic.
18:17 I am happy to hear this! Gonna go check the progress on all of that, even if it's only been a month and a half I'd hope to see something, even if just a more publizied plan. Just like you, I reserve my judgement as well. I sort of expect a very hefty price for other vehicles to charge at Tesla stations, but Tesla possibly allowing this is a big step forward, even if it takes a while to progress to the point that Tesla cars can use every station and Non-Tesla cars can as well, that's awesome. Even if Tesla stations cost a little more for non-Teslas, I honestly don't mind. I mean, it does have to get paid for somehow, and they are doing a pretty fantastic job at setting their stations up all over, even in rural areas which you just don't see with others, understandably so.
I feel like Tesla is to the electric car what apple was to smartphones early on, pushing mass appeal, but clinging to it's proprietary tech as other companies in the industry help it become more popular via quality, lower cost alternatives. It's lightning vs usb-c all over again
Yes, but more like Lightning vs a Serial port. (Am I dating myself?) There was no way that ridiculous toaster plug and obnoxiously thick cable was ever going to fly when it was made very clear to us that "not much worse than a gas pump" was NOT an acceptable standard. As in "Elon would've fired your ass after publicly humiliating you"-clear.
That being history, why isn't the question now: How long is CCS going to "cling" to this massively outdated standard? Seriously though, will that thing be the standard in 10-20 years?! Imagine plugging your Android in with a full USB A! Isn't it on CCS to come up with the equivalent to a sleek, not-stupid USB C? I mean, Tesla's patents "are belong to you". Would USB-C exist if Apple's proprietary standards hadn't shown consumers they could expect better than that USB mini and micro garbage? (I'm no cable historian so that could be off, but the point remains.)
@@csn583 Well, I'm sorry to break your bubble, but yes, CCS is likely going to be the standard for the entire foreseeable future. Cars are big and every car from now to year 3000 is going to have room for the CCS connector. Phones are quite different in that regard. And even then, I personally would love it if my phone had full USB A...
Except in this case Tesla offered their design free for anyone else to use, supposedly. No one appears to have taken them up on that, though, so we'll never know how that would have gone.
@@csn583 At the time of iPhone release there were a few dozen of _bona fide_ smartphone models from their competitors that were already using micro-USB connector which is considerably smaller (in all 3 dimensions) than Apple's 30-pin dock connector, which Apple stubbornly used until iPhone 4S/3rd gen iPad. Admittedly, at the time of switching to the Lightning connector micro-USB was getting dated (primarily because of power delivery) but USB-C, which is a much better connector of comparable size, was released just a year later yet Apple refuses to use it to this day on their iPhones. So, Apple's concern was never about the size, just like Tesla Motors' concern is not about the charging connector size. It's simply a way to ensure additional revenue streams, and a vendor lock-in to an extent. What TM is forgetting is that people think far more of their options when purchasing a vehicle than when purchasing a phone, and TM cannot push for adopting their 'standard' because they don't control the distribution market as much as cell providers do in the US. Which is why they will ultimately fail pushing their proprietary stuff down everybody's throat...
@@gearyae I am in the thinking that the standard automakers were in the mind that they could isolate Tesla by not taking them up on the offer. It is not like they were going to have to pay license fees.
Bravo!! Thank you for the well thought out info and reminding people that most people don't drive to Alaska twice a week. The info on the two different plugs was great. 👏
At around 27:30 onwards, the figures you're quoting are for numbers of cars recharging _simultaneously_ so the total number of cars could be multiplied by 20 or more, if they were all recharged at full speed and at different times. In reality, the numbers could be multiplied by as much as 50, because no car recharges at 350kW throughout the whole of the recharging process. The 350kW is only a peak speed over a fraction of the battery recharging profile.
I live in Norway and have an EV. All cars here use a Type-2 connector, including Teslas. There is 3 phase electrical supply everywhere, namely in places like big underground garages.
Street chargers can deliver around 22kw. My 3 phase wall box delivers 12kw. A regular wall socket with one phase power can deliver ~2.4kw (240v * 10A).
Isn't a typical Euro socket in new build supposed to be 16A? That's how it has been in Finland for ~30 years anyway. Maybe the mediterranean electric systems can't cope with it...
My wife bought a 16A 220 charger for her volt (with a nema 6-20 cord) a few years ago and even with only being 3.5KW thats been FINE to keep her car topped off here and there AND also charge my VW ID.4 which I got 6 months ago. Even with that surprisingly low 3.5KW power output - I only bother plugging it in once every few days and when its done I just pop the cord back in my wife's car.
Sure, I can't charge from 0 to 100 in a single night's sleep, but i'm more commonly charging from 40 to 80 which it has no problem doing if its plugged in from when I get home from work to the next time I have to leave the house. I won't pay an electrician to come re-run higher gauge wire to be able to install a beefier plug, thats basically a waste at this point.
What I will say is that 220V 16A is plenty, 110V 12A is NOT for a couple reasons. First off, its less than half as fast as the 220V charger we have, second off some of the power drawn is wasted on keeping all the electronics in the car on. Thats not a big deal when you have 3.5KW but a major problem when you've only got 1.3KW and the car "idles" at about a 400W draw. The charge rate ends up being more like 900W vs 3100W. Too slow.
One thing I plan to focus on a lot in the next video is the potential of "slow" chargers. I choose to have a 7.2 kW charger because I am on time-of-use rate plans and save money that way. But if I paid a flat rate? That's really overkill for me in almost all situations, even with the Ioniq 5 which is larger and less efficient than a compact car.
Lots of people seem to think they "need" to have the fastest charger their car can support and, well, if it's not a problem you might as well go for it but you'll save a LOT of money by running only a 20A 240V circuit and using a 16A charger.
@@TechnologyConnections Yep, we're at a flat ~15 cents per kwh here in upstate NY so it basically doesn't matter when I charge, and it doesn't cost much. I dropped my transportation fuel bill from $100 a month to $30 a month getting the ID4, but also if I still had the car before it it would be more like $150 a month. Thats not nothing.
Agree, and the beauty of 16A 240v is that, depending on your garage (or wherever) wiring setup, you might be able to repurpose an existing (12ga NM) circuit by simply changing a breaker and receptacle and deleting other outlets on the circuit. No new wires to run, which is usually the expensive/destructive work if your panel isn't anywhere near your charging location.
Why is your car drawing 400W idle? I'd expect it to only draw about 10% of that, if it was running a coolant pump and an equivalent to sentry mode.
Great video. I find it interesting that people love to forget that when the ICE car became popular there wasnt a gas station on every corner either. New tech always takes time to expand out for general use, but looking at the number of gas station companies globally that are putting in EV charging infrastructure, its hopeful to think that this EV car thing might just take off. FTR i home slow charge my leaf about once a week, but even here in NZ we have a fast growing fast charger network.
It's a lot easier to carry a spare gas can than a spare battery pack, is it not? Not the best comparison.
Good point. Closer analogy is the AC power consumption of air conditioners mentioned, but yeah, yours is good to think about too. To the other commenter: much easier to carry extra petrol? What? Not really (and it tends to catch fire)-and it's a LOT easier to generate solar energy once the panels are made, than to mine/extract more fossil fuels.
@mipmipmipmipmip Okay. I get that you're being funny, but the point stands. It's still a hell of a lot easier to carry a bit of extra gas in a can or two for a couple hundred more miles and pour it in wherever you are than looking for battery juice when you're empty. You don't end up stranded or need emergency road service. Hell, you can even walk to a gas station and bring back some gas and be on your merry way. You cannot pick up a little battery pack that will get you moving along to the next fast charger. As I said, not the best comparison.
@@MaxPMagee
I don't know what your doing with your Jerry can, but maybe read some instructions.
@mipmipmipmipmip
If we were riding horses we would... That used to be a law for taxis 😉
Anyone else think that at 14:54 there was a mixed opportunity of "banana for scale" where for the first time ever the banana is referencing girth, not length? 🍌☺️👍
Seriously, though, absolutely marvelous work as always and cheers to both of you for visiting gatorland! It is one of the hidden gems of that area and so tastefully done. Sure it's a tourist spot, but the fact that they do actual education and a little conservation work as well as entertain really surprised me and put a smile on my face.
I wonder if this meme is in part due to all bananas being genetically identical twins, so coming out fairly uniform in size...
@@SianaGearz if your banana comes in fairly uniform size, you probably just didn't live in a place where it's grown and rely on big corporations to import the stuff (and they likely want thing to be fairly standardized, so that's what you got). In southeast asia, banana can range from slightly larger than a thumb up to as large as human arm. They also range from square-y to very round, almost straight to extremely curved, and distinct taste from one variety to another. I heard that they are even more varied in the melanesian region with various colors, shapes, sizes, and tastes.
I've just bought a 2020 Kona Electric. So not only is this video relevant to gain knowledge about my newly acquired EV, it's also featuring the best geek of youtube. Enjoyment will be had!
EDIT: @ 5:07: Technically, the wirestuff you're holding is just a power supply (not "an equipment" or a charger). But, people will always call it a charger. I've tried telling people that the thing they plug into their phones are also just PSUs, but I've since stopped (except for in this instance) because of the colloquial understanding of what "a charger" is.
EDIT 2: The Ioniq 5 is one hell of a cool car. Congrats with that!=)
A. SO cord Ana cord cap truly
After watching this video I feel EV's are a viable option for my next vehicle. I'm only two years into my current car so by the time I buy another, the EV tech will have advanced even further. This is genuinely exciting for me. Thank you for this PSA.
Better look into ordering it soon. Wait times are 6 months to a year.
@@michaeltodd5806 I keep cars ten years and always buy used.
It's all fun and games until the car can't move because of software breaking.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Keep an eye on prices of used liquid-cooled BEVs, then, because their salvage values are very high. Even when the car is wrecked, 60+KWh battery packs have salvage values above $10,000. Lithium batteries will be heavily supply-constrained for a long time, and they're very valuable in many secondhand applications (home solar, custom EV conversions, off-grid setups). If you find a good deal ($200/KWh or less) and have the cash upfront, the total cost of ownership can still be very low, even if you have to scrap it after a few years.
I'm very glad to see your comment! Since a few months now I'm driving electric, and I had the usual reservations before 'taking the leap'. But having experienced the immense speed at which these cars are charging nowadays, I shouldn't have worried. And like everyone here already said: When do you actually have to drive over 200 miles?
Thanks for putting in the part about the “different paradigm” near the beginning. A lot of gas car drivers tend to think within the confines of how they currently refuel, which conjures images of waiting around at a charger for 30 minutes once a week or so. Like you said, in reality, you just charge at home and actually save a substantial amount of time by rarely needing to go anywhere else to refuel.
On a road trip, that's more or less what happens, unless you can find somewhere with something to do for that charging time. (which means these DC chargers have to be placed where there are businesses, vs. the way we cluster gas stations.)
Great video as always. But as someone owning a Tesla with a standard CCS2 charge port in Europe, let me tell you, I still feel beholden to the Supercharger network. Every road trip I took where I tried giving other chargers a chance, I ran into trouble. Each of them have their own app I need to download (sucks when you're paying extra fees for roaming) and set up, they are unreliable (chargers offline, etc.) and generally a hassle. With a Supercharger, I can see its status in the car's navigation system, I roll up, plug in, and in 10 seconds max, I'm charging. I've wasted 5-10 minutes at certain other chargers just to figure out how to start charging (including managing to freeze their software, charging timing out & resetting while I type my credit card details - of course their shit website didn't support autofill, etc.). I literally could have saved time driving from a fast charger to the next Supercharger and plugging in there. I don't know what it's like in the US, but unless other companies get their shit together, here the Supercharger network is still a major advantage of having a Tesla, regardless of plug compatibility.
CCS networks suck compared to SC in the US also. Same exact issues you have. Different apps, not as streamlined to activate
The whole app thing should be illegal. Or, rather, it should be mandated by law that they have to have credit card readers. If they want to offer a discount for app users, _fine._ But for the small amount of time I should actually need a DC fast charger, I'd rather pay the extra to not have another stupid app on my phone and account I have to worry about.
It is really hard to overstate how much better the Tesla supercharger network is. Speaking from personal experience
On europe first tesla model s & x, uses type 2 mennekes, for dc and ac charging. But newer models has ccs2.
ABetterRoutePlanner is pretty good, and has a high degree of tweak-iness to fine tune it for your needs (things like assumed baseline efficiency, extra weight from cargo/passengers, weather assumptions... you can put in assumed headwinds!)
I've made two trips that required fast charging stops, both ended up being much better than expected in terms of actual battery % and time spent charging. The only pain in the butt is with all the different charging networks have different payment systems: though EA and EVGo but support credit cards at the dispenser, there's often* a slight discount for being a member [edit: often paid membership! Read TOS closely] which means you have an app or RFID tag. Not sure if Chargepoint DCFC stations have credit card scanners but their L2 locations definitely need an app.
* The prices at many fast charging stations are set by the operator, which may be the land owner/business at that location and not the network brand.
That level of tuning makes it almost sound like an aviation planner (e.g. ForeFlight). Pretty cool
An electric car means you are a slave to the car.
> there's often* a slight discount for being a member (which means you have an app or RFID tag).
Just to note, those discounts generally only apply if you're a *paid* member. For instance, Electric America has a $4/mo membership that cuts their charging code by like 1/3. This makes perfect sense to join if you use their chargers even just twice per month, but unless you're charging exclusively off DCFC, or taking a LOT of road trips, that membership is not necessarily going to save you any money.
@@nnnnnn3647 FTFY: Being forced to use a car in the USA due to insufficient public transport options means you are a slave to the car.
@@nnnnnn3647 It's... not meaningfully different from the current situation with ICE cars. Well, you trade the ability to store extra fuel in gas cans or the like on long trips for the ability to refuel while the car's sitting around in your garage overnight, and I'm sure it's not too hard to find use cases where that's a bad thing rather than a good one (though the sorts of vehicles and uses for which the ability to just load up extra fuel is relevant generally also have other requirements that make current EV tech less than ideal anyway), but other than that?
The problem is the car and infrastructure designed around it, not EV vs ICE. EVs are fundamentally an attempt to make money off patching some of the flaws in the car based system. They're a step up in most regards, but they're still Cars, with most of the problems that brings with it.
To avoid being a slave to the car requires properly implemented public transit (which, shockingly enough, should Also be electric in most cases... though overhead wires are vastly superior to batteries in almost all use cases. Capacitor banks are the answer to most of the 'but sometimes!' issues.)
"Once you get a taste of it...." You're absolutely right. I got an EV in 2019. Then earlier this year, I had to drive an ICE rental for a few months. After that brief step back into gas powered vehicles, I know that I don't ever want one again.
... My aunt after slipping on frozen MN garage lugging ev cables never wants another EV again, she says no old person wants to risk a hip for a less capable car. My uncle parks in his driveway cause he can no longer drive well enough to get into garage. Like with nuclear in 60s these small negatives will slow adoption and maybe stall at 10% like pools and hot tubs while most have other things to spend time and money on, I love hot tubs but apparently others dont showing feelings about a tech vary. .... Maybe if Feds grandfather in anyone over 40 can keep buying gasoline cars forever, otherwise the old will vote out anyone telling them they must get Ev. . . . . Maybe just am speculating..
I’m waiting on the charging industry in Australia to realise the revamped model for petrol stations is going to be a massive cash grab. If you’re going to be stuck at a location for a minimum of 10 minutes, building a convenience/leisure stop with food/coffee shops, indoor seating and entertainment options is essentially printing money, and could be even more lucrative than traditional petrol stations. It also would have the benefit of reviving dead small towns. Now that the world is moving towards standardised charging at high speed, it looks more and more like that is the way of the future.
sounds great!
when are you starting that plan?
The Japanese phrase behind "ChaDeMo" (a styled of charger) is something about stopping for a cup of tea.
Gas stations are not lucrative, lol
@@marcuskissinger3842 you totally missed the point. Electric charging stations that will eventually replace petrol stations are going to be lucrative because they’ll have a literally captive audience while the vehicle charges. Actual petrol stations now aren’t lucrative yes but that was never the point I was making
@@Underestimated37 you said they could be “even more lucrative than traditional petrol stations.” I wasn’t responding to your main point; I was responding to the implication from “even more lucrative,” which implies that traditional petrol stations are lucrative. You agree that’s false, so do you either
1) think your statement doesn’t have that implication; or
2) think your statement is false?
Fun fact. In Denmark many have taken to calling the NEMA (in Denmark just a normal plug) supply cable: The grandma cable. :)
Since we have a lot of power available, many get the type 2 supply installed. The type 2 uses 400V and gives up to 12kW of continuous supply. But it often throttles that, in conjunction with price and supply from solar.
For me, a 1900 kilometre road trip is a two day affair. I would charge the car overnight while I slept, and the lunch break in the middle of each day would be more than enough to charge the battery all the way to full. So it wouldn't actually add any more stops or time to the journey at all.
Where are you planning to charge this car overnight at a hotel?
A 1900km/1200 mile trip is an easy two days. We do NW of Baltimore MD to Fort Lauderdale FL (1,100 miles) in a day with one driver. We usually try to keep it to 1,000 miles a day, but have figured out timing to miss most of the traffic on this particular route.
@@zambitiber1394 some people stop at friends/family midway on long trips, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more hotels offering charging, especially normal 120v
@@TreesPlease42 plenty of places have some charging but not many have good charging it is major work to have multiple level 2 chargers for a hotel and depend on the supply and state of charge a level 2 may not be enough to charge a vehicle over night and that just things like the ioniq sub 100kwh batteries since you also have trucks coming out with massive 212kwh batteries now
@@shaynegadsden Consider punctuation.
(I am in China.) My family has been using a BYD BEV car since 2018. China also has national charging standards for 2 type of connectors/chargers (Since ~2015?). One is "slow charging" 220V AC. Usually at 5KW max. Another is DC fast charging. Voltage depend on car's battery. Usually max at 50KW. My car has a 41KWh battery, rated at ~3xxV 1xxAh. Max fast charging power is ~40KW. Usually take 1.5h to complete a fast charge. It works the same way in this video.
Though in Beijing, we dont have home chargers. We charge at a public (kind of community owned) slow charging station. Just 10min walk from my home.
But China usually only provide fast charging station, owned by National Grid. Charging BEV is not that easy like US which you have your own garage.
I've been driving a Tesla for 4 years now. Charging at home is a game changer. NO GAS STATIONS EVER! It's always full in the morning.
But where is the power coming from? Not solar since you are charging at night.
@@SeattlePioneer Who says I charge at night? I have solar and plug in over lunch and again when I come home. I'm topped off before sunset.
@@SeattlePioneer Also, wind power produces a lot over night.
@@SeattlePioneer shit comment. Where in the original reply is there a comment about charging via solar?
@@oisiaa
That "I wonder if really long names get truncated" Patron must be a funny guy 😆
I've been driving electric for a while now (and yes it is a car from THAT brand) and loving it to the point that I will probably never go back to driving ICE cars.
I've got literally 0 range anxiety for any of my day to day use or even the occasional daytrip. My only "fear" now is that when we get at a point where most everyone is driving electric cars that recharging during peak road-trip seasons is going to be a pain with long lines and wait times.
Because each summer like half of NW Europe gets in to their cars all at the same exact time (with or without campers) to drive to Southern France or Spain. It's actually bad enough that they warn about these days on the news, literally calling them "black weekends" because of the stupid amount of traffic they cause.
Yeah. EVs are for the elite.
I sincerely appreciate your videos a lot, always a treat
I have been putting off switching to an EV but I think I am finally ready with the help of reassuring videos like yours that the "range anxiety" is irrational and EV ownership is much simpler than I used to think. Also it seems like in the last 5 years or so prices have come down dramatically and the number of fast charging stations has multiplied exponentially
Unless youre driving 300 miles a day. Range anxiety is a myth. Youre charged fully everyday at home, and when you finally do need those 300 miles and have to charge on a trip, chargers are everywhere now a days.
@@Valencia_Media
They're everywhere in the UK, but most don't work.
That's the problem, you can't trust the network.
EV prices haven't really come down dramatically... they are still quite expensive compared to the average gas car. Some metrics, like range per price have gone down. And other factors like inflation of the prices of gas cars and the rising price of gasoline have made EV prices seem more reasonable.
Ready or not, almost all new EVs are sold (reserved) out until 2023 or later, and manufacturers are moving them all into the luxury segments. The used Bolt EVs will probably be the last examples of reasonably-priced EVs for a while (in the US at least), but "hot hatchbacks" aren't everyone's cup of tea. If you have a home with off-street parking, and you drive more than ~8,000 miles per year, a mid-range EV might serve you well.
@@Valencia_Media - I’ve been driving an 80 mile range LEAF for three years. Since it charges at home every night, range anxiety is not an issue. For road trips I just take my IC pickup.
Alec: "Don't worry about the power grid. This baby can handle all the EVs."
Texas: "who what now?"
Wasnt the Texas issue dealing with a 100 year weather event though? I'd be more concerned with California's issues with power production every summer.
I'm sort of surprised since California probably has a higher than usual percentage of ev drivers 😀
California residents unable to comment due to blackout.
Yea we’ll see how Texas compares to California as calico internationally shuts down its nuclear power.
I've had a Mach-E since November of last year. Last weekend was my first road trip in it and the first time I haven't charged at home. No issues with charging at all, and stopping every 2 hours or so was fine. By the time we went to the bathroom and had a quick break, we were ready to head on out again.
Just got a bmw i4. I wouldn’t have even considered it, had I not seen this video. You assuaged my concerns of going on trips. Kudos
would love to see a technology connections video about reduced mobility dependence on cars related video that DOES have that within the scope of the video :)
A crossover with "City Beautiful"?
@@DasGanon Oh no!
I would love to see one of those transformer stations on a thermal camera when you start charging at 350kW. Could be interesting.
I would have thought so too, but remember, the USA has Alaska and Nevada for two states.
you won't see it, most of the noise is cooling fans because they're designed for theoretical 15+ megawatt draws under which they're still not allowed to catch fire, they're industrial electrical grid equipment
We could do the same with your nearby transformer on a hot summer day when everyone is using their AC full blast at the same time (hint: they're designed to handle that power)
@@Cat_Stevens I'm sure they can *handle* it, but there always are losses, almost always in the form of heat. Transformers, rectifiers, etc. always have an "efficiency", and even with less than 1% loss of 1MW that should be very visible. I'm sure they're capable of getting rid of that heat, and that's what I'd like to see. The thing about a EV charger is that you can get a hundreds-of-KW(With multiple cars multiple MW!) load that could be toggled during a video, with the transformers etc. next to the cars, and I'd like to see that in thermal infrared :P
The problem with building out the grid in the modern era is that most power companies are run by MBAs instead of engineers, and therefore are incompetent.
I can’t speak into the statistics on the degrees of upper management of utilities but having an MBA and being an engineer are not mutually exclusive. You can have both a Bachelors in Engineering and an MBA…. Just saying
how do you know this?
Without even speaking of the government regulation that governors the grid you just show how highly ignorant on the subject. Electric utilities are heavily regulated across the US. No Utility can do anything without authorization.
@@UrielX1212 oh, you are just being mean.
Yes,, there are more factors than just "technical factors" in "the real world".
And pointing out one element of the problem of "building out the grid" is what Brian brought up.
And yes, govt bureaucrats can be a problem for anything.
And elected politicians can be a problem for anything.
And mainstream car manufacturers have been a problem for EV industry.
@@patrickdonegan9559 I think the price has more to do with it.