The tech which can charge an electric car in 10 minutes
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2022
- It's here, it's fast, and when batteries catch up to it, road trips will be a piece of cake!
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THERE HAS BEEN SOME NEWS. CCS is probably dead. I made a video which you can watch.
ruclips.net/video/ZJOfyMCEzjQ/видео.html
None of the fundamentals to this video have changed, and in fact the technology is simply being ported to a new... port. But yeah, things are moving fast, so just keep that in mind!
I love the diligence of going back to update a year old video with a pinned comment. Thanks!
You do a great job of dryly putting something down, and dryly admitting you might be wrong. Not many do self criticism.
Just for anyone reading this without clicking the video, it'll live on as the standard, including for Tesla, in the rest of the world.
Nice to see that you turned the 'egg on your face' to a nice sandwich for everyone to enjoy. 👍
As an engineer for 43 years, I must say that I LOVE standards because there are SO MANY OF THEM TO CHOOSE FROM!!!
I think 100 is too many standards, we should adapt all of them into one.
I think 101 is too many standards, mine is better and everyone should adopt.
I think 102 standards is too many...
It's like that one XKCD comic
* Issue: There are 10 competing standards
"I know, let's make something that covers everyone's use cases!"
* Issue: There are 11 competing standards
That's pretty funny...lol
Someone needs to make a CCS1 connector that has an even beefier set of cables at the very bottom. 500kW is not fast enough!!! 😆
😁
"And we can see how the charging equipment in this car works, trough the magic of buying two of them"
I died.
@@johnnylav my condolences
I wouldn't be surprised, but thankfully in this case it's more "the magic of really good engineering documentation".
When the US military hires him to make videos, maybe. ;)
I laughed myself sterile
Legends say that adding RGB strips to those liquid cooled cables would result in 69% charge speed increase
Could even set them to blue for improved cooling. Or green to make it even _more_ environmentally friendly!
I know you're being silly but I actually like this idea XD
must be exactly 420 LEDs on the strip
but Alec *_hates_* blue LEDs 🤣 🔵🔵🔵🔵💙
Adding an RBG likeness makes it more fair
boosts it to 420KW transfer
I work in the charging industry and this is one of the best I've seen explaining how they operate and some of the technical reasons behind it. Really good job!
Can you comment, then, on last mile capacity? Most of the stuff you deal with (I assume) will be 3φ. But as mentioned, the primary use case depends on at-home charging. I don't know how many households our local LV transformer supports, but I do know it is ~300kVA for in-ground cable capable of ~650kVA (6x3φ each aggregate 450A). Here, each household is given an allowance of ~2.5kVA, so that's "only" 120 houses anyway, relying on load diversity. (I hear most Italian houses are fitted with fuses that allow a peak of only 3kVA! You can ask for 6kVA, but you pay extra whether you use it or not.)
Setting aside generation capacity, of which we (the UK) do not have nearly enough even for current demand even ignoring EVs or heat pumps, how are we going to do this? 7.4kVA 1φ smart home chargers (which will effectively quadruple per-house allowances, on a naïve estimation) to sequence and balance load, yes, upgrading LV step-down capacity, yes, but it seems the cable in the ground is going to be a problem if everyone has an EV. Which might happen, if the EU makes good on its promise to ban CO2-emitting vehicles altogether by 2035.
and my dad works at nintendo and he said Sony just flew over his house!
@@MrTeddy12397 Xbox Live
@@StrixTechnica ok I can not speak for the USA. But here in the UK the average car is driven about 8400 miles a year or about 23 miles a day so about 50 minutes a day on a 7kw home charger. As long as everyone dose not try to do that at exactly the same time, we will have no real issue
Some will do one full charge a week taking maybe 6 hours on Saturday or Sunday after noon others will do 2 over night charges from 1 to 4am etc etc
As far as total demand goes all 31 million UK cars even when all of them are EVs will add back 65twh to total UK demand or about 18% still below the total level of demand the UK had in 2006. The grid was ok then.
We have more than enough generation as long as ev charging is kept out of peek times , and as overnigh off peak is still only about 7-10p per kWh and peak rate can be high as 40p per kWh, anyone with more brain cells than teeth, will not be charging at peak times.
If you want to worry about blackouts this winter, worry about the actual gas supply to the powers stations, don't worry about not having enough power stations we have plenty.
@@patdbean, you're right, it can be made to work, but only if there is some smart sequencing done by DNOs. That requires smart meters and appropriate EVSE etc. My point was that you're relying on an even greater degree of degree of diversity factor (as it's called in UK power engineering) than we already do, and EVs present load for far longer than, say, boiling the kettle as with "TV pickup". And even if the _grid_ can cope, my point was about last mile infrastructure, ie the cable in the street outside your door.
On overnight tariffs, I think you are probably kidding yourself if you think that the 5-10p/kWh rates will endure for long, when Ofgem's notional energy price cap would have been >50p/kWh and is only 35p because of the astonishing amount of money the government is dishing out to subsidise bills. That sort of debt funded spending is not sustainable for long.
Generation and blackouts are another question altogether. The subject of my earlier comment to mike fadie was about charging and associated infrastructure. The prospect of blackouts we now face is completely unrelated, and at least that has a relatively straight forward answer, if the government could be arsed to do anything about it. Hitachi/GE's ABWR reactor design can be built in under 5 years. We could add new generation relatively easily, but we can't currently even keep a PM for more than a couple of months!
The King said it best, "dear, oh dear. Anyway..."
Such an excellent explanation. My version of this trip was barely more than an experience vlog
Yours is way more fun, though!
@@TechnologyConnections Your videos are plenty fun for how informative they are. I've learned a LOT from you already.
I read this comment in your voice lol.
An electric car means you are a slave to the car.
@@nnnnnn3647 Did you watch the video? It's clear from what Alec said that the cars are more than capable of an 18 hour road trip with just under 2 hours of charging... The forced breaks are kinda mandated by the highway code anyway so this doesn't seem like such an issue
The fact you can pump in 350kW into something and that something doesn't go up in flames is insane in its own right.
That's because it really is going into 360 things. The battery isn't a single thing, rather it's 360 individual cells, so 972 watts per cell, and even that isn't sustained (it falls drastically as the cell fills up with energy). Still that's quite a lot of power per cell -- 4x what USB PD can deliver!
@@odouroushouseant 972 watts per cell is absolutely huge.. Wouldn't want to be doing that with a battery with cheap second rate cells..
@@odouroushouseant That’s fucking nuts. 260 Amps per cell? That math must be wrong. That’s like what…a 100C charge rate? No. Those cells would explode.
(edit: I guess I did not consider that these might not be 18650 cells. Prismatic cells with larger capacity might support a higher charge current. /shrug)
@@Lucien86 electric resistance space heaters are typically 1500 watts for comparison.
@@odouroushouseant 360? Where did you get that odd figure?
Hi! There has been news. In May of 2023, Ford signaled their intent to switch to Tesla's connector beginning with cars made in 2025. Assuming they go through with the decision, that will make the charging landscape somewhat more fractured - but CCS networks have a sucky reputation right now, and I honestly can't blame Ford for wanting to sidestep that. Still, I have very mixed feelings about it.
Time will tell what this means for charging moving forward, and on account of me not seeing this coming, I won't bother making any other predictions.
First off woah that's new second off Hhhhhhhhhhhhh let's be glad Ford doesn't have a lot in the market yet because oh my word we can't keep doing this.
What are the main issues Ford would want to sidestep?
@@MsEyelinered Reliability. The CCS stations have a reputation for chargers being out-of-order more often. And fewer chargers per station make any downtime more impactful.
@@MsEyelinered Reliability issues. Electrify America (and other CCS networks) have a poor reputation of being down or non-functional at seemingly random. And poor customer communication regarding the status of their stations. Lots of reports of their app saying station is available just for them to get there and all stations are offline or won't turn on. In every reliability survey I've seen, Tesla has come out on top with American CCS networks near the bottom. I think Ford just got tired of dealing with their customers constantly reporting public charging problems that they could do little if anything to fix.
The irony is so funny here, given that you chose Ford for the example at 23:04
I typically only breathe slightly harder out of my nose when seeing a very funny bit in a video or meme (when alone) but that transition from the car to the desk with your sunglasses and hair from the car and then the audible disgust absolutely sent me. I even made noise when I laughed. Thank you for what you do!
Came here to see if someone already said this, and there you are. 😅 I loved that the fix entailed a total of (1) taking off the shades, (2) letting his hair down, and (3) putting a tweed jacket over the charger tee. "There, NOW I look professional!"
Lololol
A suggestion: When listing off numbers, and comparing them, do it visually. If you want to show X kilowatts vs Y kilowatts, show a small bar graph, so it's visually comparable, rather than only numerically comparable.
Why bother. Most people can intuitively tell the difference between to number
Even better: Props! Get a bunch of old batteries and put them in piles on the desk to represent the relative values being compared. Bonus points if the difference is large enough to dramatically dump them out all over the place.
Yes, specially for non native English speakers
@@PiOfficial Not true. I can see swapping your "most" with "many". Different people have different learning abilities. I can't make sense of a table of numbers. But gimme a graph and I can better understand. Now, numbers thrown out in a dialog, I can't remember one from the other.
@@PiOfficial Imagine a spreadsheet with no numbers anywhere, and instead the program just reads everything to you. Or, imagine instead of graphs, a report just has a bunch of text telling you the numbers "margin one: fifty-two percent, margin two: seventeen point eight seven percent" etc.
Many people, including myself, would prefer to have a visual aid.
I've always explained the charger port thing as "Tesla is the Apple of the EV world." People get that pretty much instantly. Not sure if that says more about Tesla or Apple tbh!
Except Tesla charging is comparatively ubiquitous and cheap.
It super accurate too because just like Tesla's connector, Apple's lightning was invented before the Type-C spec was finalized.
@@the_lucifer I agree about the timeline. But Apple uses Type-C on both their MacBooks and iPads, but not on their iPhones. Makes you wanna say Hmmm...
You aren't wrong. Tesla, like apple, had to invent their own connector because the available connectors on the market weren't good enough, then everyone else went a different direction and they were left holding a different standard (this happened twice, both in the USA and in Europe).
It's not really Tesla's fault, and they are adding the universal connectors to their supercharger network now, presumably in preparation for changing the ports on their cars.
@@insertphrasehere15 Tesla is not going to change the charging ports on their cars. They will simply add an additional cable and probably offer adapters too. Why would Tesla want to switch their thin elegant easy to handle in sub zero temps cable with a bulky cable and connector. LOL
I just realized why I keep coming back to these videos at random, the tangents this guy goes through are Really entertaining to me.
"Besides tesla, every car uses this one" Well, about that.....
One super good feature of home charging is that you are using the power mainly during the night when there is most spare generation capacity available anyways.
Quite true. Not only are you not paying extra for the fast charger owner's profit but you're buying cheaper electricity as well. There's also some interesting ideas i've seen companies floating where your house could use your car's battery if the power goes out.
@@alexsis1778 There are cars already that can provide AC out from the charging socket quite easily. It's really a good idea to have a smart grid where your car charges off cheap power and then gives some back during peak hours or even blackouts.
I don’t want that wear & tear on my car’s battery. They have a fixed number of charge cycles & once they’re used-up, the battery loses capacity and eventually becomes unusable
Yep. The solar panels everyone's fitting on their roofs will really help with this.
@@electrictroy2010 It's not quite like mobile phone batteries etc. which are really tormented by charging them fast and full and start degrading fast after a few hundred cycles. When you have a big battery and only use the capacity between 20-85% or something, keep the currents low and temperatures under control they will last a very long time. There is wear of course still, but the amount is important for calculations on is it worth it. If you can save the cost of a battery swap in 5 years but need a new battery in 10 years then it's worth it.
I have a "charger" that plugs into my dryer outlet. It has an adjustable-rate output of 8, 10, 13, or 16 amps. Using the 8 amp output I am able to change off my solar panels without overloading my inverter. It has the added benefit of a slower charge which is easy on the batteries!
Selectable charge rate on the charger is nice, especially if the car dosen't let you pick.
@@volvo09 hey, you can always splice a beefy rheostat into the cord 😂
Ah but see, that just means your tailpipe got longer. Now it’s out to the sun.
if you have to put quotes around charger that deeply worries me
@@antiphon000 It is because it doesn't do the charging like with a phone charger, it delivers power to the vehicle which handles the actual charging. It is for most people a pretty meaningless distinction but important for understanding how infrastructure works now and how it will in future.
0:32 Why did you put so much dedication into this 3 second joke😭
Alex is, without a doubt, the most charming, informative and intelligent host on all of RUclips.
Did you mean "Alec"?
I'm surprised you didn't mention charge tapering, because no car AFAIK will aloow you to charge at the full DC charge rate (350kW, or even 50kW on my 2020 IONIQ) right up to 100% capacity in order to preserve the battery longevity and that juicy battery warranty they offer.
It's not just about the health of the battery. As the surface of the anode is filled with electrons it physically takes longer for the oncoming ones to find space. So the current and subsequently the wattage have to decrease.
Maybe that's in the next video?
This is also why it’s not great to arrive at a fast charger with a too high state-of-charge like at 25:30.. you can shave off quite some charging time if you manage to arrive with as low a SoC as possible to maximize charging speed. Still, most people don’t care about this type of planning and will gladly ‘drip charge’ their car to 100%SOC at a fast charger no matter the queue behind them.
Maybe he could add typical charging curves for EVs to show this. It is much faster arriving with say 10%, then chargeing to 70% and repeating that arriving with 30% and charging to 90%.
@@44Bigs The charging gods reward the brave
I've had a Nissan Leaf for seven years now, and I can definitely agree that non-EV owners don't understand the charging paradigm shift. I don't take it on road trips at all due to its short range, but for driving around locally, I've only ever needed a public charger twice in that time. And even then, only because I was intentionally pushing it to see how far I could go. I don't have a fancy 240V charger at home either, I've just used the standard included 110V this whole time, and it's been great.
Totally. I'm hoping as more people get electric bikes they and their friends will start to get it too.
Similar car/time here. I've been using the 110V outdoor charging at home, and my office garage has 220V free charging. This has handled 80% of my mileage for commuting and in-town driving (which the east coast also has plenty of free electric charging at shopping centers), and we also have a gas car for the occasional cross-country road trip or just need a second car. The savings in gas almost paid for the car loan itself.
Ohhhh. Good for you.
Suggestion. Get a gasoline generator and throw it in your trunk. It’s better than being stranded.
Out of curiosity (cause I legit haven't looked far enough into the actual ownership of an EV to know), are you able to charge from a 15A or do you still need it on a 20A breaker?
I just bought a plug-in hybrid Ioniq because the Ioniq 5 (and most other SUVs) are out of my price range right now. It's incredibly frustrating that there are so few options there are for smaller, non-luxury electric cars
the closest thing right now comes in the form of the Chevy Bolt, which just had its price dropped by almost 6K, down to 26K. it's also pretty compact, not that much larger than my Spark.
If you're willing to look at used there's fantastic deals out there. I bought a '14 Spark EV for less than $9k. Granted it's only 80 miles of range, but as a city car commuter, that was a steal. After 20k miles I've only had to replace tires, and the 12v battery.
i personally really like the Nissan Leaf living here in the suburbs ($17k), it has a range around 150 miles so road trips are difficult but its great for the commute
It's incredibly frustrating people continue to look at EV's with rose colored glasses.
@@xr6lad Are you sure that's the idiom you meant? Usually rose colored glasses means looking at things as _better_ than they may have been, not worse.
Me and my buddies were just talking about this yesterday and I made the point that: yes driving from one place to another non-stop is cool, but stopping to rest, while you charge in this case, is significantly better and safer for you. Grabbing food and a drink, stretching your legs, getting some rest are highlights of the traditional American road-trip!
This! Plus, depending on where the charger is you may discover something cool you didn’t know existed. This gets back to where chargers should be located. IMHO fast chargers should be located in shopping center parking lots. Places where you can get out of the car, grab a bite to eat, browse the store shelves and maybe buy something, then get in your car and go. Level 2 AC chargers are perfect for hotels, since those are where travelers spend the night. Plug in, go to sleep, and wake up fully charged just like you do at home. They could also work associated with major attractions like amusement parks where people will typically spend much or all of a day. Despite filling a similar purpose, no charger is a good match for a gas station, as those are designed for super-quick stops just to fill up. All those superchargers at Sheetz stations annoy me for that reason.
Yeah sure make excuses for an inferior product. In a gas car you can stop wherever and whenever you want.
@@jasonlescalleet5611 > IMHO fast chargers should be located in shopping center parking lots.
The funny thing is, where I live (Germany), this is becoming more and more normal, with many supermarket chains (like Aldi, Lidl, Rewe and so on) having a few fast chargers on their normal parking lots, so people can charge their car while doing the normal shopping they would do anyway. I think this will probably be a more common sight around the world in the next few years, since it's so obviously useful. I think every place where you have to go to and park your car anyway can have a few chargers. Staying at a hotel: Charge your car overnight; Somewhere you shop: A supercharger is great; If your place of work has their own parking lot: Why not provide the employees with cheap charging while they are working? The most important employees could even get free charging as a benefit, or maybe all of them if you are generous.
@@biggibbs4678 ... and "charge" from 1 to 100% in about five minutes. EV is still a product for house owners that makes daily short trips and who wants to make a social statement for their neighbours.
@@biggibbs4678 Which still depends on location. ICE vehicles just have a headstart advantage on their infrastructure, by nearly a century.
Two things alot of people don't realize and or take for granted:
350Kw is a ridiculous amount of energy! Go look at what a 350Kw diesel generator looks like... It's HUGE.
When you fill up your gas tank or even more so a diesel truck with diesel fuel you're pumping WAYYY more stored chemical energy into it but you can only use 30ish percent of it....
Food for thought 🙂
30% efficiency for the common, average (read: not new) ICE vehicle on road today is outrageously excellent. More in the ~20% range.
Even with the “better” ICE technology of today, 30% efficiency would be an engine freshly tuned, tires properly inflated, environmental situation ideal, and very careful (hyper miling all the time) driving. How many average, harried, running late, over-scheduled car owners (and their cars) fit that type of description?
Precious few, if any.
The new thing is to use the lower cost 150kw ports as these cars use 225kw for most of the charge time.
Agreed that 350 kW is tremendous power, but what’s the relevance of a generator’s thermal efficiency?
A Power plant’s thermal efficiency is 50% and higher. So even when an EV charges using non-renewables from grid, you can say the 130 mpg drops to 65 mpg. This is the number to compare other options against, and only when forced to use non renewable power. It still blows engined vehicles out of the water in terms of using minimal energy per mile.
Also, don’t forget the energy required to refine fuels, and to truck them to places you refuel which are distant from the refinery.
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of course, the reason oil based fuels have been the standard for so many things for so long is energy density. Even allowing for the lack of efficiency, it still fit more power into a given amount of storage space than anything else, and also more power into less Mass than anything else. The main thing that stopped EVs being competitive until recently (and still makes battery powered trucks nonsense) is that no batteries were able to beat that energy density... and the ones we have now are rather horrifically prone to exploding and/or catching fire if anything goes wrong (of course, this lead to the implementation of a lot more features to prevent this from happening, meaning in many cases they're safer than the older, less energy dense batteries... assuming they were made properly.)
Of course, if you power your vehicle using overhead wires, you get to skip that issue entirely... which is why electric locomotives and EMUs (and trams, and trolley buses) have been pretty much universally superior to the alternatives basically since they existed (at the expense of the infrastructure to set them up costing more) anywhere the infrastructure for them has been implemented.
@@jarmis777 It would be interesting to see what an electric vehicles real efficiency is after all losses taken out(efficiency of the plant, transmission losses, conversion losses and power lost charging the batteries) when powered by coal or natural gas.
Same for gas too. Calculate the the amount of energy to make 1 gallon of gas and compare to the electric car
I love how whenever I bring up electric cars to my parents or in laws, suddenly everyone is taking a cross country road trip every weekend. My mother in law (who doesn’t drive) said “well what if you wanted to go to Sudbury?” Which is about 350km away.
A short google and I just said ‘yup. Can make it on one charge.’
Everybody parks on the street, commutes 500 miles a day, and tows a 20 foot boat.
@@jamesvandamme7786 lol exactly.
If things were a bit more dense and roads were made safer, short car trips can even be replaced by (e)bikes. I live less than a mile away from the grocery store, but cycling there would be terrifying because I'd have to go along the gutter of a very fast road. (I still walk when I can though)
Eh I just like that my gas car cost 16k, can go 400 miles in a single tank and will likely last til about 300,000 miles with minimal maintenance. Maybe by then electric vehicles will be cheaper and more enticing.
@@mrb152 I still own a gas car too. I’m just saying I think it’s silly when people immediately start complaining about the range on an electric car. As if they regularly need to drive 400 miles without a single stop.
Personally I don’t drive more than 3-4 hours without needing a stop anyways.
Plus 99% of the time I’m just going to work and back so range is meaningless since you charge it at home.
Interestingly in the EU Tesla is using CCS since the release of the Model 3 if I remember correctly. Also, 3-Phase Charging is basically the "state of the art" for at-home charging or public chargers which aren't DC. At least in the D-A-CH room, I'm driving around :)
Retired sparky here and you will NEVER see a 5
three phase service in 99.999% of homes..If you had a $200 million 150,00 square foot mega mansion you might be be able to get three phase Servuce..
@@garbo8962 debatable.
400V is available everywhere in the EU.
Some homes has 400V washing machines and stoves.
Still, it's irrilevant.
240V from a plug in the wall it's plenty enough.
I have a fancy mennekes wallbox I barely use, the EVSE is way handier.
One of the most wonderful things about moving south and away from Chicago is no wind. You don't appreciate it until you experience it. Sunny and 45° and you can wear a long sleeve shirt, not dress for the Arctic. You can have a picnic and your food does not blow away. You can put out your trash and it doesn't end up all over the neighborhood. It's life altering.
The grid generally has a huge amount of excess capacity at night, which is why just about every power company offers a "time of use" plan. So, where I live, peak power costs about 14 cents/kWh, and off peak is 4 cents.
So, for home charging there is already a giant built in incentive to charge during off peak hours.
Just as many areas don't have off peak hours though. I haven't seen a peak/off peak billing in over 20 years where i live, they used to have those controllers on your water heaters and such to turn them on and off as the grid needed, thats not a thing anymore either. I think about 20 years ago they called it simplified billing and got rid of the off peak rate. Though to be honest where i live in the midwest we have some of the cheapest power, around 9-10 cents per kWh is the average around here. We have had load shedding in the middle of the night due to AC demands when its hot or heating demands when its cold, i don't think there is a big excess of capacity.
It's going to get interesting as more solar PV comes on line and more people (any, in our area) charge EVs at night. We might see off-peak rates go away.
honestly kWh prices like these makes me wonder why there are so few electric cars on the road in america.
since all that stuff with russia happend electricity prices more than double in germany.
we used to sit at around 20-24 cents per kWh, if your provider kept you at 36 cent or below you where one of the lucky few. i have to pay 48 cents per kWh now and its only going to get more expensive.
@@sWaRmBuStEr You allowed the Greens into talking your government into shuttering your nuclear power plants. As a rrsult, unlike France, Germany uses a lot of natural gas for electricity. In the US, we mostly use NG for "peaker plants. So the natural gas plants run in the afternoon, and rurn off at night.
Also, I have the largest nuclear power plant in the US across town.
In San Diego the off-peak pricing is a glorious 19 cents/kWh *IF* you have a TOU plan just for EVs. Peak pricing is closer to 54 cents and at that price most EVs are roughly the same price as driving a gas vehicle when the gas price is around $6/gallon (assuming 4 mi/kWh). Charging stations in town are usually around the same price, between 30 and 65 cents/kWh. This makes the EV proposition in a state like CA, where you would expect strong EV incentives due to gas prices and distances, actually quite poor by comparison. If electricity was 14 cents all the time it would be absolutely amazing. As it is even the standard non-peak daily pricing of 22 cents is nuts (peak is from about 3pm to 9pm, off peak night hours are usually from midnight to 5a).
@0:32 I appreciate that you didn't simply cut, but did something else funky so that the lava lamp didn't jump around. It's the little things.
So subtle I didn't even notice
That short gag is probably my favorite joke since “Deetz Nuts”
Woah
I just happened to see one of your videos on portable AC units you made two years ago. I’m late to the show but I’m so glad you’re still marking awesome and amazing videos!!! Yup I’ll be following you from now on. Keep up the great work!!
Your ending statement about the grid expanding with demand was spot on. Your update in the middle made me trust you even more.
Don't be so sure about demand driving expansion of the grid. If that were the case, we'd not see so many rolling brown-outs and blackouts such as we see in California and now Michigan.
@@MrSlappySwanson My California power company turns off the power on high wind days to prevent fires. I don't think we will build power plants until the demand goes up, like he said with AC units.
As an automotive engineer working on EV charging systems, these videos are just great. I have sent links to your previous EVSE video to many people to explain how charging works and how it is not some kind of chore that requires hours and hours of standing around. I really wish the OEMs and the enthusiast outlets would hammer home the fact that DCFC is not a necessity unless you are doing long trips, have no access to an outlet, or travel more in a day than you could recover overnight. I am really looking forward to more of your EV systems videos.
One commenter put it a bit more succinctly: "I have a 250 mile range car, but a 180 mile range bladder." Lunch has to fit in there somewhere too.
I travel a lot. 300mi trips are not uncommon if not more. The range needs to be much better with faster charge times before I consider. If it can't come close to a 5min gas fill up then there isn't really a discussion to be had.
@@hockeymikey why isn't there
@@defvii There what?
@@hockeymikey You should try an EV with decent range. Having 15-20mn pause, in the middle of it will get you, way less tired in the end.
About charging. IMO If you don't have a plug at home or at work, don't even consider having an EV. Going to the "pump" like for an ICE, is not worth it.
Some of the things I really appreciate about your videos are that it seems they are well researched factually. Another is that you push boundaries sometimes, but in a gentle way. A third is your attention to things I never noticed before, like some car manufacturer's use of separate yellow lamps for turn signals. (Every time I see that now, I am reminded that my first exposure to the idea was watching your video about the topic). Thank you for your work and efforts.
I have made this particular drive far far too many times. It was fun to see little iconic things along the way like the Corvette Museum. This video (among many others by you) are so well done and I appreciate the work you put into your craft.
In Europe, until recently the CCS2 connectors on Tesla superchargers have been Tesla exclusive, despite compatible connectors on other vehicles. However, they’re starting to role out non-Tesla charging on their network, albeit slowly and inconsistently, but it’s great to see progress in this area.
I love liquid-cooled cables being used to reduce cable weight and thickness. I thoroughly enjoyed this deep dive into how the technology actually works.
TIG welding uses something similar as well
Really? I find it rather concerning; what will the charger look like in a few years, what are the recurring maintenance costs? Will most of the less-popular chargers just see reduced throughput as repairs are put off and (hopefully present) safety mechanisms reduce charging speed when the active cooling breaks?
There's only so small the cable can go before the line loss becomes excessive. (even a 4/0 welding cable loses a measurable amount of power @ 500A... "R" may be small, but "I squared" is huge. Higher voltage allows lower current, but higher volts requires greater insulation, and makes any damage _extremely_ dangerous.)
I love the idea... But I fear a bit the additional failure points and non-repairability of the system.
Hi TC! GREAT VIDEO! one note I have is Tesla does come with a -CCS- (I'm wrong! it comes with J1772 adapter, not CCS) to Tesla charger adapter, so you can charge Tesla on any supplier's charger outside. My model 3 has it and I have used it, unless you're talking about something else and I'm confused as always! (yes, TC was talking about CCS with two FAT pins!)
CCS? With the two big fat pins? They've been coming with a J1772 adapter since the beginning, but as far as I know they haven't released their CCS adapter yet.
Exactly what I was thinking.
@@TechnologyConnections Oh right! not the two big fat pins! That's CCS?! Told you I don't know what I'm talking about!!
@@ElectroBOOM why would you know anything about electricity, you random youtuber ElectroBOOM with 5.1 Million subscribers!
@@ElectroBOOM Now I'm waiting for the "ElectroBOOM bypasses the Tesla charge port" video...
I sincerely appreciate your videos a lot, always a treat
From what I’ve read and heard from EV Go technicians the charging connector for that other car ( Tesla) was designed not to be complicated and break as often as all the other connectors do and this is the reason why so many of them are down. Some car owners are hard on the handles and the main problem.
Where as Tesla charging connectors are simplified and break less often
I have to say I’ve never seen a broken supercharger, and Tesla’s integrated charging network adds so much more convenience because you can see exactly how many stalls are open or in use, whereas many RUclipsrs have noted that other public charging networks have next to zero reliability on whether a charger is in service or not.
This does make sense
Sounds like mindset behind Iphone with their awful Lightning port.
@@KOTYAR1 There’s nothing “awful” about a Lightning port. It’s just a shame that’s a proprietary interface.
@@stevenvanpelt486 I think USB 2 is a pretty awful part of it. Like for communication it's like 2008 speed. I'm sure that affects almost no one.
Thank you for making a highly informative video that I don't actually have to fact check (unfortunately, a rarity with today's RUclips "experts"). You even nailed the fairly obscure fact that current CCS can provide up to 500 A at up to ~700 V, making those chargers literally 350 kW (rather than just theoretically). Bravo, and keep up the good work!
0:32 I laughed so much at this joke, best humor yet! Also humored that the subtitles at 7:28 actually go with "thicc". Overall this video has been one of the best, from addressing the liquid cooling to emphasizing a single wind turbine more than cover the growing power demands. I don't plan on getting myself a car, but maybe I can convince other family to switch now. A big influencer has in fact been concerns about knowing there's some sort of standardizing still being sorted out; I'm glad that was a key point here.
hehe.. I chuckled too at both "jokes" you mentioned :P
To me, it was the "floppy floppy zippy zappy"
I don't get the joke at the start :(
@@uzijn He's done a lot of videos, but we're used to seeing him always neatly dressed up in a suit, which kinda stands out. The clips of him in a car seem normal enough, of course he'd be in a T-shirt and wearing sunglasses, we wouldn't think much about it. The smooth transition he does however draws attention to the fact "this isn't his look".
as always, your videos are informative and entertaining. kudos!
Fun to see some interest in the DC charging business. I'm an engineer at a charger manufacturing company and particularly in the DC charging field for larger vehicles (ie busses mostly). They tend to be charged with pantographs or contact hoods for the higher power ones. We have a 380 kW charger for instance (at least R&D does, maybe not our customers yet) that can either divide its power over 8 vehicles or if bone others are connected (or if the others are scheduled to charge with 0 W) it can just put all that power in a single EV.
Crazy stuff.
Also ask me anything about ocpp, my company does that too on both ends.
"Also ask me anything about ocpp"
All right, then. What does "ocpp" mean?
@@felixmoore6781 Maybe Omni Consumer Products added a movie Production arm to the company after building RoboCop?
@@felixmoore6781 Open Charge Point Protocol
OCPP? Yes please!
1. How universal is OCPP? Is it supported by all smart chargers (home, fleet, public)?
2. What needs to happen for unidirectional smart home chargers to participate in grid-wide smart charging? Does OCPP's support extend from the EVSE all the way across the internet to a third-party server?
a) What kinds of cyber-security measures are implemented in OCPP? Is it vulnerable enough to be the weakest link in a grid smart-charging system?
3. How difficult is it to build a fleet smart charge controller?
a) What hardware links does OCPP support? Does it go on the back of e.g. ethernet/TCP/IP? CAN?
b) Would the controller be an off-the-shelf PC or does it need more specialised hardware?
c) What's the software like for a fleet controller? Is it simple enough to lash together in-house? Are there off-the-shelf packages? Are they any good?
4. Is OCPP ready for V2G?
As you might have guessed, I'm also an engineer :D. My background and PhD are in semiconductor devices, in which time I did lots of instrumentation for custom measurements/tests/characterisation, so I've played with LabVIEW, GPIB, USB etc. I'm now a power electronics engineer working for a rapidly-growing young EV company (can't really call it a 'start-up' any more) working on the factory R&D side (working on, shall we say, smaller factories than one might expect). I don't work on EV charging, but I am *extremely* interested in charging and V2G, and I'm pretty much the biggest charging geek you'll find. I am giddy at the thought that, with ISO 15118-20 now published, Hyundai Motor Group's experiments with AC V2G with We Drive Solar might become the broader reality in a few years. I can't help myself from sketching out designs in my head for fleet management solutions that my employer's potential customers might want, and OCPP is the bit I understand least well.
@@gigabyte2248 no time to read this. Sorry mate
There is something awe-inspiring about a cable the same size as a gas pump hose, that you plug in yourself, carrying enough current to power an entire neighborhood.
Thinking that DCFC is a blackout machine? For sure.
I live in a very small town in the high desert of Northern Nevada.
IIRC, the AVERAGE electrical power draw of an on-grid American home is around one kilowatt. That means ONE 350KW EV charger at my nearest Walmart could power every one of the 70 or so homes in my town, several times over (on average).
All through one not very big flexible cable.
Neat!
@@DarronBirgenheier ehm no
Just gives you an idea of how much power is required to move that hunk of metal.
I’m glad the CCS adapter is available now. I just got one (haven’t had a chance to test it yet) but some added peace of mind for my wife and I as we look forward to future road trips :)
Your videos are great by the way, I've been watching them for a few weeks now. Keep doing what you do. We need more education in this world.
Fantastic video, a must watch for any EV owner or potential EV owner. Helped a lot with my Mach-E even though I got it about a year ago and knew most of the info! The in depth analysis is greatly appreciated!
uh, what does any of this have to do with EVs?
@@Blox117 what does charging EVs have to do with EVs? I don’t understand the question.
@@JasperJanssen uh what do four wheelers have to do with EVs? the title said "electric cars" not EVs
typical fat bearded gamer guy in his 3000lb wheelchair mentality.
please dont comment if you've never seen the inside of a gym, thanks.
but his off yes at home there is 400A's 240V ( yes 3P can be seen at home/rural area's but as a rule single phase one the race for now but wished the usa 🇺🇸 was the same as Europe with 400+V and 3P power and as a plus equipment can be standardised world wide and power sharing around the world ) i have it right now and it's becoming more common practice to build it with it and 100A's is dieing off thankfully and 200A becoming the next smallest common users size
20A @ 240 is piss slow for car charging and that's ok most of the time like me going to bed for 8+ hours and waking up to a full battery but for coming home for dinner and needing to go afterwards for shopping or visiting family or friends 200 miles/hours away no that's with a 100A / 20KW is 💕and yes i have done that lots of different times with a gas car say a 2 hour ish nap after work ( wile the wife packs are only working car ) and then straight to family 500 miles away plus i really cannot sleep in a moving car/plane ✈ as it gives me nightmares ect. but ship's🚢 i can
My God, man! You nearly killed me laughing with that sunglasses in the studio bit at the beginning! That was an excellent bit of comedy timing and thoughtful editing!
Euugh!
That made me really laugh! He has such a great sense of humor about everything, including himself.
The most correct and realistic explanation I have ever seen on this topic!. Well done!
Just got a bmw i4. I wouldn’t have even considered it, had I not seen this video. You assuaged my concerns of going on trips. Kudos
"I know sometimes the wind doesnt blow. You got me!" Thank you lol I spit food all over my monitor at this! Top notch video as always!
" The danger of *_but sometimes!_* " 🤣
In this case, the wind sometimes not blowing is actually pretty devastating, especially if it's the only power source you envision using in the future along with solar because you're (the royal you) hilariously opposed to nuclear power. See Germany and California for reference (although, Germany is going the right way, now, which is backwards).
But anyway, seriously, all it takes is a bad cold front in winter, frozen turbines, and/or no wind for people to actually die. The cold is by far more dangerous than heat. Anyway, there's just no way that I know of for wind and solar to work as dependable primary power sources.
Which is why saying wind can power electric cars is just stupid... Well, that and the fact that California's energy policy has made it so that the electrical grid can't handle people charging their electric cars. *sad trombone noise*
@@MrFreeman012 Considering the wind doesn't blow 65-75% of the time on average for land based wind farms , that's one 😂. Not mentioning "cold Dunkelflautes" like the one in Texas last year. Ah and the sun doesn't shine for over 85% of the time in most of the developed world.
That transition from car Alec to desk Alec was just👌🏼
Fun fact. In Denmark many have taken to calling the NEMA (in Denmark just a normal plug) supply cable: The grandma cable. :)
Since we have a lot of power available, many get the type 2 supply installed. The type 2 uses 400V and gives up to 12kW of continuous supply. But it often throttles that, in conjunction with price and supply from solar.
Thank you. That brings a little clarity to an unknown topic.
the fact that the model 3 (here in the EU market) came/comes with a native CCS plug was the reason i even considered it.
Without that (and the back then not so many supuerchergers) i wouldnt have been comfortable to buy one. Soley for the reason of "not getting stuck outisde the range of a supercharger but having a CCS charger nearby"
I *now* know that that would mostly be a minor inconvenience and it practically never happens, but still the native CCS plug was the straw for me that pushed me into looking at Teslas .... and half a year's worth of research later my bank account was a lot less healthy
The sole reason that Teslas in the EU have a type 2 CCS plug is because the EU refused to issue a type rating for their new vehicles if they did not comply with a standardised plug.
The only cars that are around which haven't got a Type 2 CCS are old Teslas and early generation Leafs.
@@fermitupoupon1754 even the 60kWh Variant of the Leaf 3 (i believe) has chademo here
Its a real shame
At least in 2019 when i looked at everything available every leaf available was Chademo.
And even newly sold model S are type 2 DC only (type 2 connector has a DC spec that goes up to 150kW) altho they can get the CCS adaptor since 2020
And all those model S are type legal here in the EU so that likely isnt the main reason that model 3/Y have CCS natively
@@fermitupoupon1754 and we are glad of a standad plug makes charging easier just a pain for us early adopters my 2016 22kw zoe has 22kw AC charging and no DC its type 2 only my wifes MG5 has CCS and finding a rapid charger for it is easy chademo and type 2 rapid is becoming harder to find
@@DJRaffa1000 the type 2 DC charging ports on ‘older’ Model S’es (which aren’t being sold anymore) are a thing of the past, these aren’t even supported by Tesla’s own V3 superchargers. There are photos online of the new Model S with a Type 2 CCS port, that is definitely what will come to Europe.
@@44Bigs you said it yourself "what will come"
... as of now if you buy a model S or X you will get one with a type2 port and thats it. The refresh with CCS port is not available at the Moment.
The CCS Hardware is installed in these, but you still need to buy an adaptor and the car still only has the max 150kW type 2 port
UK BEV owner here (Renault Zoe R135). The one and only advantage I think we have this side of the pond (EU, generally speaking) is the standardisation on Type 2 CCS connectors (except for the Leaf, of course, but again, I think I'm right in saying Chademo is going the way of the dodo over here too...). Even Tesla use Type 2 CCS over here, so it's not like they can't use a "new connector". And great to see ABRP in your video - I have used it since we got the Zoe, and in the one "long trip" I did (London, UK to Nantes, France) I was surprised how close its estimated usage figures were, esp. given I wasn't using "live data" for that trip (which I do now).
“Behind the scenes” Tesla cooperates with the CCS standard. It is just the physical interface with the car that looks different in the US.
Just saw your post, thanks I appreciate it.😎
I enjoy this channel a lot. Thank you sir.
I’m waiting on the charging industry in Australia to realise the revamped model for petrol stations is going to be a massive cash grab. If you’re going to be stuck at a location for a minimum of 10 minutes, building a convenience/leisure stop with food/coffee shops, indoor seating and entertainment options is essentially printing money, and could be even more lucrative than traditional petrol stations. It also would have the benefit of reviving dead small towns. Now that the world is moving towards standardised charging at high speed, it looks more and more like that is the way of the future.
sounds great!
when are you starting that plan?
The Japanese phrase behind "ChaDeMo" (a styled of charger) is something about stopping for a cup of tea.
When the Bolt recall was first happening, I had nowhere outdoors to charge my car at home, so I actually did use fast chargers as basically the only way to charge my car. It... wasn't really that bad? Sure, I needed my car to be in one of five specific places for an hour every two weeks or so, but I could run errands during that time by charging at a Walmart or a mall. And it only took an hour because I have a Chevy Bolt which is just about the slowest fast-charge car available.
I *completely* agree with your point in the beginning of this video that getting Level 2 charging in apartments and on streets is far more important and practical than getting fast charging at every gas station or whatever. Just sharing the relatively unusual experience of living every day life with a car I could essentially only fast charge for a few months.
It's not important or practical. 80% of the world will never own an electric vehicle
the main reason is..electric cars are gay.
2nd reason is they are causing more harm than good
@@tendiesoffmyplate9085 how do you figure?
@@tendiesoffmyplate9085 They'll never replace the Horse.
@@nobodynothing6551 it will never be cheap, and demand will make everything about it even more expensive. theyre gonna dangle that global warming stuff over our heads harder than the pandemic bs and price spikes to justify it costing so much because youre "saving gas" and its a privilege to do so while oil is at all time high and the intentions are to never let it go low again. like with housing, your vehicle will follow. the payments and loan interest for ur electric vehicle is gonna be synonymous and as regular as a mortgage. the motivation is definitely there to force electric and bankers/politicians would love to work their job
Best explanation yet Thanks. Still waiting for my Ionic 5 to arrive.
i loved this video a lot! i am really liking electric car stuff. i hope you make more videos like this :D
One of life's little frustrations for those of us living in apartment/condominium buildings is that the garage area is serviced by a common circuit. Which is fine when it comes to lights and garage door openers, no one cares about the power cost in that case. But if I ever get an EV, I'm going to have to try to convince the rest of the building to invest in a rewiring project.
If someone beats me to it, I'll support their efforts, but I know at least a couple units will drag their heels.
"But if I ever get an EV, I'm going to have to try to convince the rest of the building to invest in a rewiring project."
Can't you just give an estimate of electricity usage and offer to pay according to it (assuming the wiring can take it)?
And you have to convince the landlord to even care to begin with. I ran into this with a rental where the water was on a well pump, and the landlord refused to let me hire an electrician at my cost even to get it so a generator could power the well pump during power outages. Same with power to a shed next to the driveway. They didn't want any changes and it didn't impact them......as a result even vacuuming the car out required ~150 feet of extension cords.
At least, you could convince folks to build infrastructure, altough that's propably fruitless.
Many, including me, don't have fixed parking spaces. I have to park on the Street - and there is no Infrastructe around here. Chargers around here don't allow over night parking/charging.
My building doesn't even have electricity wired anywhere near the parking area.
@@seneca983 "Just give an estimate" is doing a lot of work here.
My month-to-month usage varies enormously, so there's no single value. And why on Earth should I make the treasurer of the building go through the calculations? And when a second unit joins in on the fun, and doubles the work?
No one wants to do this. Especially not the treasurer, which (like everything) is a volunteer position.
This video reeeeally makes me wish apartments offered charging for renters. The tech is so cool and already here, I agree that a major hurdle is making charging at home more accessible!
just.....offer your landlord 1000 to put in an outlet. why not.
Your landlord might be willing to put a 220 line from your electrical box to a parking space plug esp if you pay for it but then. What happens when someone else parks there ( not all Apts have a signed parking and when they do its often ignored by others) or someone else not only parks there but proceeds to plug there car into the plug on you electricity
@@jessicacolegrove4152 lock up the plug
Money would be better spent buying a house.
@@mac11380 yep, just get your own place with your own charger. if you're renting, then you're way better off with public charging, or with a good ole CEV
I just didn't expect to see at 17:04 a clip from my town Lecce, Italy.
Great video! Molto interessante!!!
Thanks, informative and entertaining; good work.
I am glad that you brought up the best way foward is not that we should all have EVs but public transport thats accessible and reliable; it is often leftout in these conversations.
Individualism really is a plague
It's left out because it's not feasible. And where it is practical, it is already implemented.
@@littlejackalo5326:
If you build it, they will come.
Make public transport easier than private transport, and people will start using it.
Government transport is not the 'best way forward'
Protecting easy access to private modes of transportation is fundamentally necessary for the preservation of Liberty.
Government simply cannot be allowed to control or be the dominant means of transportation. If they can turn transportation on and off at will it gives them the power to restrict our travel as they see fit.
Looking at the last 2 years I can imagine that had government transport been the dominant form of travel, particularly intercity travel, several US governors would have ordered the trains shut down and it would have allowed their 'stay home orders' to be enforced w/o the need for massive numbers of storm troopers (Cops). I could also have seen them implementing a 'ration' system where they required employers to submit your work hours to the government so they can distinguish between work and non-work travel and then only permitted X number of government transport rides per week not associated with your job.
We have our private transportation however and that means we were able to tell the politicians to eff-off and travel at will because there aren't nearly enough Cops to block all roads.
@@confusedwhale Easier than walking out my back door any time I want to? That's a tall order.
I really like the way that car looks. Hadn’t seen one before. Sharp.
I love how you do your content, you can really feel unlimited passion
This scene with the sunglasses :D
It's almost like "I did a thing", completely different content but same passion!
I've been driving a Tesla for 4 years now. Charging at home is a game changer. NO GAS STATIONS EVER! It's always full in the morning.
But where is the power coming from? Not solar since you are charging at night.
@@SeattlePioneer Who says I charge at night? I have solar and plug in over lunch and again when I come home. I'm topped off before sunset.
@@SeattlePioneer Also, wind power produces a lot over night.
@@SeattlePioneer shit comment. Where in the original reply is there a comment about charging via solar?
@@oisiaa
I live in Norway and have an EV. All cars here use a Type-2 connector, including Teslas. There is 3 phase electrical supply everywhere, namely in places like big underground garages.
Street chargers can deliver around 22kw. My 3 phase wall box delivers 12kw. A regular wall socket with one phase power can deliver ~2.4kw (240v * 10A).
Isn't a typical Euro socket in new build supposed to be 16A? That's how it has been in Finland for ~30 years anyway. Maybe the mediterranean electric systems can't cope with it...
18:17 I am happy to hear this! Gonna go check the progress on all of that, even if it's only been a month and a half I'd hope to see something, even if just a more publizied plan. Just like you, I reserve my judgement as well. I sort of expect a very hefty price for other vehicles to charge at Tesla stations, but Tesla possibly allowing this is a big step forward, even if it takes a while to progress to the point that Tesla cars can use every station and Non-Tesla cars can as well, that's awesome. Even if Tesla stations cost a little more for non-Teslas, I honestly don't mind. I mean, it does have to get paid for somehow, and they are doing a pretty fantastic job at setting their stations up all over, even in rural areas which you just don't see with others, understandably so.
"We're humans, and when we want things to happen, we always find a way." Is a statement as inspiring as it is dripping with hubris lol
We've wanted to end world hunger for generations and yet we refuse to find a way.
"When someone will make enough money off of it a way is likely to be discovered."
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Do we really want to end world hunger, or do we want to throw bombs at everyone to show how big our d... er, to show how cool we are?
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 While we've 'solved' the current technological problem of ending world hunger i.e. we collectively produce enough calories to adequately meet the needs of everyone on earth and the logistics to transport those calories to where they are needed, technology is perhaps less than half of the whole problem since there's also the political, social and economic components. For the economic example: just giving food to African nations in the 80's destroyed local agriculture so when that food went away for various reasons, well... bad things happened. And for a political example look at the current conflict in Ukraine, which is a major breadbasket, the harvest there is gonna be hurt badly not only directly by the inability of farmers to plant and the destruction of infrastructure, but indirectly by logistics being blockaded or used for wartime purposes.
@@alphax4785
Obviously the problem isn't the amount of food, it's how we distribute and allocate it. As long as capitalism creates incentives for food to be allowed to spoil rather than be eaten by people who can't afford access the problem will continue.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Bzzt Wrong! Food spoils because it's food, it's perishable and preserving all of it, especially when it is already on store shelves is actually impossible.
Capitalism and the markets are so far and above the best mechanisms we have for food production, preservation and sustainability it isn't even funny since it actually takes into account technology, economics, politics and sociology rather than top down dreck that is neglectful in all areas simultaneously AT BEST and is actively malicious at worst.
Economically again just look at all that 'free food' we dumped in Africa... that again wrecked local agriculture since local farmers couldn't compete and their governments weren't wealthy and/or farsighted enough to subsidize them so again when the free food spigot turned off because 'problem solved!' or whatever reason there was inadequate local agriculture and so famines.
And for political look at Ukraine in the 1930's where piles of grain were deliberately left to rot at the railheads and millions starved to death because the Soviet government had their utopian agenda which didn't include the 'kulaks.' And then after all the farmers were in their collective farm utopia production never reached a tithe of what it would've reached under a free market since there was little incentive to work hard, little incentive to innovate better farming practices and equipment, little incentive to petition the monolithic government to shell out the rubles for better fertilizers when production was already 'good enough' and etc.
Heck, for a current example of a top down self imposed agricultural disaster, google up Sri Lanka's 'organic farming' push where they went from being a rice exporter to having to import 20% of their needs at ruinous cost because 'organic' farming basically needs twice the land to produce half the crop of non organic.
Re: Ability of the grid to support EVs. I am a retired power systems engineer. The issue is not so much whether there is enough supply (eg windmills or other renewable sources). It is the ability of the local transmission to distribution transformer stations to supply the charging stations and the ability of the local residential distribution system to handle home charging.
So the transformer stations and the distribution network will have to be significantly beefed up in step with the increased demand and EVs make more inroads (pun intended) into the automotive market.
Oh, and by the way, the comparison to the nuclear capacity of Illinois is somewhat disingenuous. Other than hydroelectric, nuclear plants have the lowest cost per kWh than any other plant. So ALL the existing plants are already putting their max output 24 hours a day. Any new electric demand would be served by other newer generation added on top (eg new nucs (not so popular)) or windmills etc. OK, for the purists, there might be times in the wee night-time hours in the spring when nuclear generation exceeds the system demand. If that exists today, that energy is sold to another utility or state or country (I used to buy/sell power with the US for Canada) OR it could be sucked up by growth in EVs. (Nucs don't like/really can't change their output up and down). But occurrences of surplus nuclear should be rare.
Oh absolutely, that's what I meant by it'll need to change (and grow). I just wanted to give people some context. 350 kW sounds scary when you know that you've only got 48 kW to play around with in an large house.
Relatedly, one thing I'd like to see more widely implemented is cars that will de-rate their charging speed based on departure time. If everyone plugged in every day, their cars might only need to pull 800 watts to be recharged by the next day. That'll really help.
But in the end, this isn't going to happen overnight, and there's plenty of time.
What are your thoughts on ultracapacitors, assuming we get a breakthrough in storage that vastly increases their energy density? Would the spontaneous capacitive loads be disastrous for the grid, shifting the AC wave too much?
@@rockspoon6528 Inductors are the bane of grids.
@@adama7752 inductors are pretty much the opposite of capacitors
Besides the coal soot and sulfuric acid the sulfur makes when the sputtered off sulfur hits moisture in the air, we also don't know what to do with spent fuel rods. After 18 months of use, they're radioactive for 10,000 years.
I've just bought a 2020 Kona Electric. So not only is this video relevant to gain knowledge about my newly acquired EV, it's also featuring the best geek of youtube. Enjoyment will be had!
EDIT: @ 5:07: Technically, the wirestuff you're holding is just a power supply (not "an equipment" or a charger). But, people will always call it a charger. I've tried telling people that the thing they plug into their phones are also just PSUs, but I've since stopped (except for in this instance) because of the colloquial understanding of what "a charger" is.
EDIT 2: The Ioniq 5 is one hell of a cool car. Congrats with that!=)
A. SO cord Ana cord cap truly
I wasn’t going to watch this but you made it interesting, and I feel quite informed.
Really like the educational videos explaining relatively complicated issues in the technology/environment space. I always feel like I'm better able to explain issues to others or learning something new by watching your videos.
An electric car means you are a slave to the car.
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@@nnnnnn3647 ok cool
Having JUST RECENTLY made a trip to Tennessee in a not EV, I can attest that if we stopped to charge instead of fueling up, we wouldn't have had that drastic of a change in travel timing.
Think about it:
- Stop for fuel
- Grab a snack/meal
- Use the lavatory
All this can be done and you'll likely burn the same time as an EV takes to charge. It's not like we're really sacrificing that much more time to use zappy go juice instead of dino go juice
I dunno, we stopped doing the stopping for a meal on long trips. It's nicer to get there earlier and spend time winding down (especially as we had a few occasions where service/food took forever to arrive and the stop was closer to two hours than one). Take something homemade and you save money too.
Yep! And honestly, these sites (while they're not in fantastic locations) do a pretty good job of letting you use the restroom and grab some snacks. I actually kind of liked being at a Walmart because we could go in, use a clean restroom, and grab a pre-made sandwich from their deli. Better than a convenience store! And by the time we were done eating, the car was charged and it was off to the next stop.
My experience driving an EV on road trips is -
If you plan to get somewhere as fast as possible ie you only stop for fuel, you pee in a bottle, you eat sandwiches out of a cooler while driving, the gas car will win by a long shot every time.
A cannonball run is not how normal people travel though.
If you travel like a normal human being who needs to pee and eat, and walk around every 90-120 minutes, the time difference on up to about 400 miles of driving is almost negligible in good weather. Bad weather(rain, cold, headwinds), and distances over 500 miles it starts to get noticeable.
Sure, keep telling yourself that.
And it only makes *more* sense when road tripping with small kids because they have to stop more and they get all squirmy!
This is fascinating; thank you!
You are right about the CCS2 connector on Teslas sold in the EU market : mine has a CCS2 connector and can charge either on Superchargers or on DC fast chargers others than Tesla (Ionity, Fastened, etc)
"We should probably also work to reduce dependency on cars for mobility" very true. I've made this point before that if, for whatever reason, you are unable to drive in the United States, you're as good as screwed out of a normal life.
And tbh it's got to the point if you don't have *two* vehicles to lean on, you still might be screwed! Recently took my bike in for a recall that would take 3 hours to finish. They finished in 2 hours.... but broke something requiring the bike to sit there for 3 more weeks! Good thing I had another wholeass motorcycle to ride!
good luck having a job with no way to get to it
@@Hansengineering Hmm... sounds familiar. Isn't that how all "quick" repairs go?
@@bradhaines3142 That too. Not only can you not enjoy life, but you can't even enjoy the pain of working. America is like that movie we all acquiesceingly agree worked, but we all know how close to utter failure it really was.
@@ZunarZulfiqar That's how they go when someone goes off the repair instructions because they know better. Thankfully other than recalls, I do all my own maintenance, so that is not normally an issue.
I can't be the only one who appreciated that he spelled THICC correctly in the subtitles at 7:29. Also as a professional supplier and installer of fast DC chargers, I love seeing videos like this for people to start to wrap their heads around what we do and why it is important. Great content as always!
Always learn with your videos never stop
Excellent video
You make a 29 minute video easy to watch
Keep up the good work
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That "I wonder if really long names get truncated" Patron must be a funny guy 😆
I was reading an article last night going over the same thing you were saying around 2:15, which is that the real benefit of EV and need for charging infrastructure is really to just flood street parking, parking lots, and apartments with fairly cheap level 1 and 2 chargers to make it super easy to trickle charge everywhere, generally negating the need for big, expensive DC chargers. It was the first I heard of the idea, but it totally makes sense.
I was helping a friend research a new car a few months ago and I knew that because they have to street park, an electric car was out of the question. So they got a hybrid instead.
You design to MAXIMUM's and Minimums, not averages is why you are in error in how you frame the conversation. Thanksgiving and Christmas day or your typical Thursday night,... traffic jams of EVERYONE going LONG distance and why vast charging stations with HIGH amperage connectors will be required. Home charging is the cheapest option for sure, but ultimately pointless as your system has to be designed to MAXIMUMs not averages. Same is required of the solar/wind paradigm. Averages are useless when one has a winter storm roll in blanketing a continent in no wind after the storm and no solar for upwards of 2 weeks on average and upwards of a month judging by historical records.
Yeah and then all the wind power and solar power can not charge everyone’s cars and create massive rolling blackouts everywhere instead of just in California.
@@w8stral This channel has a video about the Danger of "But Sometimes" that explains why your framing of maximums is flawed: ruclips.net/video/GiYO1TObNz8/видео.html
Finding cheap solutions that work 95% of the time will make it easier to deploy that solution much more widely than $X0,000 per connection stations. I agree, there should absolutely be level 3 chargers available for those going LONG distance. But most people aren't doing that, they're driving 40ish miles a day, which is very easy to keep topped up with a regular 1500 watt home outlet overnight. He even said in the video that until this road trip, he just kept his EVs plugged in at home and never had to think about where he was going to charge or spend time waiting for the car to charge. That's a huge benefit of EVs - we can get to a point where you rarely, if ever, have to physically wait around for your car to charge, it will just be there ready to go when you are.
Budgeting for a maximum all the time is just not cost effective when you can design for the typical and have backups ready. I would much rather have wind and solar farms on a large scale with something like nuclear plants to act as a backup rather than rely solely on nuclear, coal, gas, etc. Which, as we saw, still aren't designed for the maximum that Texas saw the last two winters.
@@Rulerofwax24 Part of it is how much you can tolerate failure, and how often that failure is expected to occur. You don't need to design for the worst case if failure is rare and the consequences of failure are not catastrophic, in the case of the LED traffic light, having the odd intersection signal obscured by snow in a rare snowstorm is probably OK to deal with, nobody should be driving very fast anyway so defaulting to a 4 way stop is fine. In w8stral's examples, in the first case it's not particularly catastrophic but it might not be rare, if every year on specific dates hundreds of thousands of EV drivers create traffic jams due to inadequate fast charging, then that's a big problem even if everything works fine the other 360 days of the year. In their second case, it's the opposite, the failure is fairly rare (though intermittent renewable generation arguably raises the chances), but the consequences of a brownout or blackout can be really really bad, so grid reliability always comes first, whatever the cost.
In the case of using nuclear as a backup for wind and solar, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Fuel costs for nuclear are so small that it would be more cost effective, if you had to build the nuclear to completely back up the wind and solar, to forget the wind and solar entirely and run the nuclear 24/7.
@@Rulerofwax24 Well, then both you and said video you linked which I didn't bother to waste my time watching, get the MORON STUPID DARWIN award as designing to MAXIMUM's/MINIMUM's is EXACTLY how engineers design things to work otherwise you get cascading failures. And no, you cannot defer charging of vehicles to spread out the load is a common Bull Shit line people use on this topic as people drive long distance and CONTINUE to drive long distance on holiday's. The only solution, is a car with VASTLY greater battery capacity/Range than required. In other words the Optera route where the car has 1000 mile range(I have my order in should they ever finally produce them). This also means the batteries cycle life will be MULTIPLE times greater than a smaller battery pack which has to operate near its 100% DoD instead of operating where ALL batteries operate for maximum life at ~85%-->95% SoC where one only very RARELY goes below 75% SoC.
And No, Texas was designed to a maximum...... Look at the graph, Nat Gas was massively overperforming by 30% past its maximum, the problem is that a key piece of infrastructure(valving) did not have its paperwork in order and the power to it that kept if from FREEZING, was turned off as it had been changed from powered by Natural gas to powered by electricity... which due to load shedding caused the cascading failure leading to frozen valving. There are MULTIPLE reports on this topic should you choose to actually read them. Solar/Wind would NEVER be able to attain this condition for multiple DAYS as nat gas did until it finally failed due to.... paperwork screw ups and to be fair a few installations which did NOT have certain portions of their wellheads winterized as ... this is Texas right? It doesn't freeze in Texas???? Oh right... it does.
And said backup cost has to come from wind/solar base cost, not pretend it does not happen and is the cost of Nat Gas when in fact it is the cost of Wind's intermittency requiring vastly more quick firing nat gas inefficient turbines instead of the Vastly more expensive much LARGER MUCH more efficient combined cycle nat gas turbines operating at over 65% effficient instead of 40%.
Love the positive message at the end!
I just love that you mentioned we should work to reduce our dependence on cars for mobility! I love how your videos are never black and white!
Fun fact: Tesla uses the standard Type 2 AC and CCS connectors like every other electric car in Europe ever since Model 3 launched. Also, congrats to your new car. The IONIQ 5 is really neat, especially the paddles on the steering wheels in any Hyundai EV are quite fun to play with when rolling towards a traffic light or driving in the city.
Being a Tesla customer in EU is so much better than being a Tesla customer in the US when it comes to charging options. Is it the same in Canada as in the EU?
@@b1618t yup also because of the widely spread use of 3 phase charging. You can easily get a Red outlet everywhere.
Fun fact: the EU refuses to give type ratings to non Type 2 CCS cars ever since that standard was settled upon. Tesla had a choice between fitting a Type 2 CCS or not being allowed to sell the cars in the EU.
Same applies for allowing other cars on their charging network. A lot of countries in the EU require that Tesla allows other charging providers on their network. Which again are required to have Type 2 CCS connectors.
@@fermitupoupon1754 I'm not sure what you mean about refusing to give out type ratings but Nissan Leafs are _still_ sold in the EU with Type 1 and Chademo fast charging connectors (though Nissan _is_ moving to CCS2 with new models as well).
EU does require public fast charging installations to offer CCS2, though they may offer other chargers as well.
@@mjrauhal There's a bunch of legalese involved, but there is an EU guideline that basically says just that. If it doesn't have CCS2, it won't be approved.
As far as I can find the Leaf is apparently an exception, it could be that it's an update to an existing platform in which case it doesn't require an entirely new type rating. The original type rating for the Leaf was granted prior to the CCS2 requirement though, so that could very well be a factor.
I’ve had a Tesla Model 3 Performance since August 2018 and have driven it all over the US and Canada. As far as Edmonton in subzero temps and all the way east to Halifax. I absolutely love it.
I’ve saved $10K on fuel costs vs. my last vehicle which got 33 mpg. Not to mention the maintenance is almost non-existent. And regenerative braking reduces brake wear significantly.
The supercharging network is so built out now, there’s almost nowhere in the contiguous US you can’t get to. Charging at home and knowing you’ll have a full battery every morning is terrific.
Supercharging stops are no problem at all. It’s less stressful taking 20-30 minutes to get a meal, use the restroom, or catch up on phone use.
! I have a October-2018 M3. Live in Maine. 90K miles on it. Same results; Love it no maintenance. Then I went and got a 2020 MY. 16K, no maintenance, use it for camping; drove all across the US. No problems charging at all. Best cars in the world
The luddites here and everywhere don't want to hear it! They have convinced themselves Tesla's cannot road trip or they will have to stop for HOURS. Those of us who know, know. 😂
"And regenerative braking reduces brake wear significantly."
I have a mere hybrid (not even the plug in kind, the most dino juice kind) with pretty weak regen and even then my brake pads have been between 5 and 6 mm for the past couple of years. Check every time I change out summer and winter tires. Every change I think "surely _now_ is when they'll need to be replaced" and every change they're still between 5 and 6.
Not sure why you needed to advertise, but okay.
@@seigeengine I’ll support any great product with word of mouth. This is essentially my response to everyone in the comments with negative things to say about EVs.
Thank you so much for blessing us with your knowledge, I always learn something new while being entertained!
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On europe first tesla model s & x, uses type 2 mennekes, for dc and ac charging. But newer models has ccs2.
THANK YOU for this video, I actually work with the (non-Tesla) EV industry and vids like this make me so proud & excited to be working on it, I've shared it around to my teams already!
Thanks for your hard work making the future now!!
For whatever reason, I've never thought to look up just how much power a common wind turbine generates and I was physically pressed into the back of my chair by how much you said they produce. That's actually mind blowing, holy crap.
It’s crazy how dense our atmosphere is and how much wind power there is going around, simply from trying to balance pressure differences caused by heat differences caused by a star 8 light minutes away.
And that's old small ones. The race amongst the wind turbine manufacturers is on for 20MW per turbine. That's 10 times more than in this video.
That's not mind blowing. That's wind blowing.
You guy literally are 'algorithm buddies'! Like your shared audience is something like 80%, so it's good to know that you two also get along!
Love your clear and elegant explucations.
TIL another synonym for "angry pixies".
Glad that in Europe Tesla is forced to use the same connector as everyone else.
Though props to them for actually making a better connector (can Tesla connector feed back to the grid like CCS can? - I think this feature is crucial in the future).
*any* connector can feed back to the grid. CCS is not only a 'connector'/plug, but it is *both* the plug specs *and* the communication specs. but to answer what you mean, yes, the Tesla charging spec supports back-charging from the car to power the grid too. CCS and Tesla and CHAdeMO all support this back-charging in the latest specs. Disclaimer: the back-charging ability of all three were secondary sources, not me personally reading it in the specs themselves.
Props for actually admitting the short falls. It’s neat to me but I do field service so almost would never be able to charge at home so definitely need the charge system built out.
I think the ending was the most important bit. Alec is right that we humans have a funny way of making things happen surprisingly quickly if we want it enough.
And that's actually one of the valid cases for not using electric. Most people don't do enough driving with enough regularity that electrics wouldn't be the simpler option though.
He's still too much of an EV evangelist for me. It will do NOTHING to help with climate change, which he says is his primary motivation. When I say NOTHING, it's not hyperbole. It will do nothing. The gasoline will still be produced because it has to be for physical reasons in order to produce diesel and aviation fuel and so it will be exported even if we went to 100% electric cars, which at best is a 20 year transition.
Also, climate change is not the only problem we face.
@@christo930 Actually, it will do plenty for climate change, because EVs allow actual decreases in transportation emissions that are, more or less, impossible while using ICEs.
In fact, EVs are also more efficient to begin with, to the point where even if an EV is powered 100% on coal power, it still breaks even with ICEVs on emissions, meaning in any other situation, EVs are better for climate change.
Faulty premise. Refineries can significantly tailor their end products. While exporting the fuels will likely occur, it will be less advantageous than domestic sales, otherwise they'd already be doing it, prices for products still used would likely increase as production decreases overall.
Contrary to insane BS, the status quo is not some immutable inevitability.
@@seigeengine You don't understand. Gasoline is a by-product of diesel and aviation fuel and kerosene. When you produce diesel or aviation fuel, you get gasoline first. Oil is heated in stages and each constituent of the oil boils off and is captured. The lightest (lowest boiling point) are gases. Next down is natural motor gasoline. Below that (heavier) are things like diesel and kerosene and aviation fuel. And American oil is very light and has a higher percentage of gasoline than most other oils. We can crack heavier portions of the oil into lighter ones for flexibility, but we cannot make light ones into heavy ones, like going from gasoline to diesel.
They aren't going to just throw it away or pump it back into the ground. It will be exported and burned somewhere else (still our atmosphere) and that is assuming we go 100% electric, which ain't going to happen for decades.
The average age of an American automobile is now over 12 and with the price of used cars going through the roof, that is going to climb even higher. Used cars have gone up 50% in the last 1.5 years. If we outlawed ICE cars tomorrow, which there is zero percent chance of that happening, it would still take 2-3 decades switch over the fleet.
EVs aren't that efficient either and you are assuming the worst case scenario wrong. The worst case scenario is not coal, it's small generation natural gas. My city is loaded with natural gas generators that are in the low megawatt range and are basically truck engines turning a generator. They don't run all the time and so their efficiency doesn't really matter much. This is where spare power comes from. At 3pm in July when everyone has the air on during a heatwave, these things kick on. The marginal watt. Yes, baseload is very efficient. But this ain't baseload. At least in the short-medium turn, inefficient electricity is going to supply this extra load on the grid (though nighttime charging won't be affected by this)
We don't have a ton of spare capacity. But all this is beside the point. The gasoline will be refined, sold and then burned.
OTR trucking and air flight are not going electric any time soon, if ever.
Thanks for sharing this
always informative AND entertaining!
Great video as always. But as someone owning a Tesla with a standard CCS2 charge port in Europe, let me tell you, I still feel beholden to the Supercharger network. Every road trip I took where I tried giving other chargers a chance, I ran into trouble. Each of them have their own app I need to download (sucks when you're paying extra fees for roaming) and set up, they are unreliable (chargers offline, etc.) and generally a hassle. With a Supercharger, I can see its status in the car's navigation system, I roll up, plug in, and in 10 seconds max, I'm charging. I've wasted 5-10 minutes at certain other chargers just to figure out how to start charging (including managing to freeze their software, charging timing out & resetting while I type my credit card details - of course their shit website didn't support autofill, etc.). I literally could have saved time driving from a fast charger to the next Supercharger and plugging in there. I don't know what it's like in the US, but unless other companies get their shit together, here the Supercharger network is still a major advantage of having a Tesla, regardless of plug compatibility.
CCS networks suck compared to SC in the US also. Same exact issues you have. Different apps, not as streamlined to activate
The whole app thing should be illegal. Or, rather, it should be mandated by law that they have to have credit card readers. If they want to offer a discount for app users, _fine._ But for the small amount of time I should actually need a DC fast charger, I'd rather pay the extra to not have another stupid app on my phone and account I have to worry about.
It is really hard to overstate how much better the Tesla supercharger network is. Speaking from personal experience
Alec: "Don't worry about the power grid. This baby can handle all the EVs."
Texas: "who what now?"
Wasnt the Texas issue dealing with a 100 year weather event though? I'd be more concerned with California's issues with power production every summer.
I'm sort of surprised since California probably has a higher than usual percentage of ev drivers 😀
California residents unable to comment due to blackout.
Yea we’ll see how Texas compares to California as calico internationally shuts down its nuclear power.