I wonder if it could go to warp in reverse. The USS Federation is being pursued by enemy ships, it makes a short reverse warp jump to get behind it's pursuers.
Great video! Although your image of the Federation class has nacelles that are too short. And you have a Bridge module on the top. The actual bridge is in the middle of the saucer. That top dome is a sensor module!
You haven't looked over the Federation DN Blueprints. The main bridge for the DN was not on A Deck. This was a warship and it sank the bridge down a few decks for protection. It also had a backup bridge that may or may not function as a Flag Bridge. Otherwise, a decent presentation of the Federation Dreadnought.
The dome is more concave and visibly has more Armour than the Constitution class. In case one engine is lost to combat, it is a spare warp engine, if all else. 3rd Warp engine could be drained of anti-matter to service the other two. Even if deactivated, 3rd engine would provide extra shielding by it's mere presence.
And it's canon. The Federation class USS Entente is mentioned in the radio chatter during the push in on Epsilon 9 in the early part of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. That would be the original theatrical version - I am not sure if that retained in the Director's Edition.
Larger mass than the other ships may have required all three, as the ship was built to work on that balance. The intended warp speed of this design was warp 10, which was stated as an impossibility in later canon. The Excelsior design was supposed to have transwarp drive, but when that project failed, the hull was still used, and it must have been a good design to still be in service 100 years later.
Assuming it's like most federation ships and only needs two then the third might provide a few advantages. If you lose one the you can still go to warp on the remaining two. The third might support a larger warp bubble allowing the ship to tow another ship through warp at a moments notice. It sets a precedent for future ship designs allowing further warp development.
Running three nacelles like a three phase electrical motor does have advantages, even if two nacelles could move the vessel. It distributes the work of moving the vessel, so that each nacelle isn't working _as hard._ Top speed doesn't change, that being a factor of warp coil state of the art, but because 3 nacelles run _cooler,_ it can (should be) able to hold top speed longer. Which means _over time_ it will outpace cruisers. Nacelles should last longer between refits, a strategic/logistics concern. Average cruising speed should be higher, for this same reason, higher _sustainable_ speed. DN's are just the ship to have parked at a central location and scramble as soon as a distress call is picked up, because in an all-out race, they will arrive sooner, where cruisers will have to slow down occasionally to cool their engines.
The Federation class dreadnought is, lets face it, a pretty hideous design but I still love it for its historical significance in expanded Star Trek content.
I always though the Dreadnought class was an ugly duckling, however "cool" the three-nacelle design appears at first glance. Did it ever make an appearance in TOS? If so, I don't recall it.
Gene was adamant that Warp drive required two nacelles to work. And, the two nacelles must be able to "see" each other, so they could interact and create the Warp field. One nacelle, and three nacelle designs, originated in Franz Joseph's Star Trek Technical Manual of the 70's, as far as Gene was concerned, were not and never would be canon. Of course Gene died and Trek fan film makers couldn't help themselves to reference Franz's tech manual for ships to model for their productions. But, it didn't happen there first - "All Good Things" had to have Ryker in command of a three nacelle Enterprise, talking about doing Warp 13, because the writers somehow forgot nothing can travel at or beyond Warp 10, because to go Warp 10 would require infinite energy, which if that were possible, traveling at Warp 10 would mean you'd occupy all points in the Universe simultaneously. At any rate, ditch the one and three nacelle designs - Gene has enough to spin in his grave about with CBS Trek destroying the franchise nine ways to Sunday.
Love the Federation class
Love that ship. Quarters and state rooms should be bigger and more luxurious.
I wonder if it could go to warp in reverse.
The USS Federation is being pursued by enemy ships, it makes a short reverse warp jump to get behind it's pursuers.
Fascinating.
It would, but there would be a beeping noise.
Great video! Although your image of the Federation class has nacelles that are too short. And you have a Bridge module on the top. The actual bridge is in the middle of the saucer. That top dome is a sensor module!
You haven't looked over the Federation DN Blueprints. The main bridge for the DN was not on A Deck.
This was a warship and it sank the bridge down a few decks for protection.
It also had a backup bridge that may or may not function as a Flag Bridge.
Otherwise, a decent presentation of the Federation Dreadnought.
The dome is more concave and visibly has more Armour than the Constitution class. In case one engine is lost to combat, it is a spare warp engine, if all else.
3rd Warp engine could be drained of anti-matter to service the other two. Even if deactivated, 3rd engine would provide extra shielding by it's mere presence.
More ! Please !
And it's canon. The Federation class USS Entente is mentioned in the radio chatter during the push in on Epsilon 9 in the early part of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. That would be the original theatrical version - I am not sure if that retained in the Director's Edition.
Well done.
Thanks
Gotta wonder why they didn't scrap the third nacelle if it didn't provide any advantage
Larger mass than the other ships may have required all three, as the ship was built to work on that balance. The intended warp speed of this design was warp 10, which was stated as an impossibility in later canon. The Excelsior design was supposed to have transwarp drive, but when that project failed, the hull was still used, and it must have been a good design to still be in service 100 years later.
Assuming it's like most federation ships and only needs two then the third might provide a few advantages.
If you lose one the you can still go to warp on the remaining two.
The third might support a larger warp bubble allowing the ship to tow another ship through warp at a moments notice.
It sets a precedent for future ship designs allowing further warp development.
It's so that in the event of emergency saucer separation the saucer section was still warp-capable.
@@PGIFilms That's a great explanation
Running three nacelles like a three phase electrical motor does have advantages, even if two nacelles could move the vessel. It distributes the work of moving the vessel, so that each nacelle isn't working _as hard._ Top speed doesn't change, that being a factor of warp coil state of the art, but because 3 nacelles run _cooler,_ it can (should be) able to hold top speed longer. Which means _over time_ it will outpace cruisers. Nacelles should last longer between refits, a strategic/logistics concern. Average cruising speed should be higher, for this same reason, higher _sustainable_ speed. DN's are just the ship to have parked at a central location and scramble as soon as a distress call is picked up, because in an all-out race, they will arrive sooner, where cruisers will have to slow down occasionally to cool their engines.
Very cool.
Ty!!!!
The Federation class dreadnought is, lets face it, a pretty hideous design but I still love it for its historical significance in expanded Star Trek content.
I always though the Dreadnought class was an ugly duckling, however "cool" the three-nacelle design appears at first glance. Did it ever make an appearance in TOS? If so, I don't recall it.
Dreadnought Entente was mentioned in the com chatter of Epsilon 9 in The Motion Picture
The word is "Breadth" not Breath... Root word, "broad", like in wide.
I think my New England Accent is more of a problem than just that one word.
Gene was adamant that Warp drive required two nacelles to work. And, the two nacelles must be able to "see" each other, so they could interact and create the Warp field. One nacelle, and three nacelle designs, originated in Franz Joseph's Star Trek Technical Manual of the 70's, as far as Gene was concerned, were not and never would be canon.
Of course Gene died and Trek fan film makers couldn't help themselves to reference Franz's tech manual for ships to model for their productions. But, it didn't happen there first - "All Good Things" had to have Ryker in command of a three nacelle Enterprise, talking about doing Warp 13, because the writers somehow forgot nothing can travel at or beyond Warp 10, because to go Warp 10 would require infinite energy, which if that were possible, traveling at Warp 10 would mean you'd occupy all points in the Universe simultaneously.
At any rate, ditch the one and three nacelle designs - Gene has enough to spin in his grave about with CBS Trek destroying the franchise nine ways to Sunday.