Franz Joseph's work literally changed the course of my life. I chose to become a draftsman after being enthralled by the Star Flee Technical Manual and the Constitution Class Booklet of General Plans. Seeing one of his original designs get some on-screen recognition like this is absolutely terrific.
@@Ionizap You know it. I got into it at the beginning of the CAD era. I was one of the early ones who never had a job doing manual drafting, only CAD. But I learned manual drafting in school, so the old style skills are mixed in with the CAD skills, and I was able to appreciate just how hard it was for Franz Joseph to draw what he did with the old techniques. I've actually found it rather difficult to emulate his style with CAD. Takes some tweaking of lineweights and other techniques, and it will never look exactly the way he did it because CAD has perfectly even breaks in dashed lines, and perfect centering, etc. that is simply not possible with manual drafting. But I've gotten close.
@@_WillCAD_ I did manual drafting many long years ago probably 30 or more and led the conversion to CAD at DND CFB Chatham in Canada. I don't miss it. I'm Lucky I can easily adapt to that kind of thing but many had extreme difficulty.
Artwork and info from Franz Josef's Starfleet Technical Manual had briefly appeared (blink or yawn and you'll miss it) in the first three STar Trek films: images of ship designs appeared on bridge monitors in ST II and ST III, and background audio from the Epsilon IX station in STTMP mentions the names and registry numbers of two scout ships listed in that book (USS Revere NCC-595 and USS Columbia NCC-621)
Right! This seems like a stepped version of those. In the case of the TMP era stuff, I think we were given production reasons for the approach, ie they were trying to flesh out the ST world and they used materials at hand instead of creating new stuff to save on costs. I also personally believe they knew exactly what they were doing, as most of production were fans themselves…
I remember getting the Technical Manual and when I saw the Dreadnaught I fell in love with it. Of all the new classes of ships that appeared in that book, this one stood out. I completely missed out on seeing it during that first episode of S3 but...wow! What a surprise! You know I am fully prepared for all those ships listed as being in the Fleet Museum to being pulled out of mothballs. So Enterprise-A, Enterprise-D saucer, original Voyager, Stargazer (Constellation), a Dreadnaught-class ship maybe...come on out to play (because there's no other ships in the sector LOL). The crew of the Titan may need you.
I FOUND IT! This episode inspired me to look for my over 45 year old Star Trek federation game piece 2 inch model of the Dreadnaught. No decals and un painted but remarkably detailed. I had to blow quite a bit of cosmic dust off, but it is beautiful. Thanks for reminding me to look for it!
I never really liked the FJ Federation Class for two reasons. The first is, ironically enough it looked "fat" to me (in the vertical sense). All the other variations seem to have the exact same primary hull. The dreadnaught hull is so fat to the point of "where is the bridge module?" (Labeling says "sensor arrays" not bridge.) But the biggest problem was the forward-facing hanger. Open the door and let the space dust in. Yes there is the deflector, but you probably need to turn it off to keep it from deflecting the incoming shuttle. More importantly it's better to have a shuttle match the ships forward momentum than to have it do a hard reverse to keep it from going into the back of the shuttle bay. Yes, you can effectively back it into the bay but flying into a bay seems more intuitive than flying in front of and then slowing down to move into the bay. The idea of three nacelles was super cool even though at the time, I could never figure out why.
So with all the references they have already made to the Fleet Museum and such, I am filled with both dread and excitement that I might get to see my favorite starship design of all time on screen again. We've already seen from screen shots that one of the ships in that museum............. is the Enterprise-A. And for me, the Refit Constitution remains the most beautiful starship ever. I would absolutely love to see that old gal fly one more time. I'm just afraid they would not do the design justice...
I’d always thought if they ever did it, it would be a TMP era refit ( to avoid dealing with the Technical Manual ) with adjustments to make it just different enough… this is super surprising.
Maybe she was an NX and they passed on making her as a full class, instead going with the refits that we see in TMP. My theory was she was the culmination of all the tech that went into the Connie 1's and their related ship classes, including the top nacelle actually being a beefier version of the single nacelle used on the Saladins (my theory there is nothing clumsy as a doppleganger drive, instead its actually twin warp coils within the tube, giving it a much more efficient bubble while at warp). They instead went with the new tech in the refits (modular everything so the spaceframes would last much longer) as well as the new Excelsior project that was meant to 'TRANScend the WARP scale' (see what i did there? my explanation on TMP Era 'TransWarp' - Branding, they were just using it as a way to describe their faster ships, and it worked, they had to redraw the warp scale after that, and her tech went immediately into the fleet thanks to the modular design on the ships, faster refit turn arounds etc - 1701A in STIV has Excelsior instrumentation). Sadly, Federation Class was probably too much of a behemoth for what she was, vs the other ships 'getting it done' with much less resources. i think she would have been great to have seen, personally, showing up to save the day flanked by a cpl of Sallie gunboats (my thoughts on that class, and the Hermes being a scaled-down version of the frame used for survey ships etc, much like the California Class in LD).
I have a little dreadnaught model like that on my desk. I think it's a futura import on a eaglemoss stand. Don't discount the micromachines ships either.
I'm sure you guys are aware of this, but cygnus x-1 and starship dynamics have the deck plans for a Federation-class dreadnought, and the ship given is the USS Foley. I thought that was pretty cool.
Fortune Of War V1 was the first Trek expanded Universe book i got. I just wish the third nacelle was more in line in between the other 2 real nacelles. Maybe also rename it the Joseph Class. Fed Class is like call it Starfleet Class
Both are marginally canon, having been fleetingly glimpsed on both the USS Enterprise and USS Grissom's bridge monitors in STII: TWOK and STIII: TSFS, respectively...😉
I would love if Picard or Strange New Worlds picked up the Atlas class from STO. I don’t typically love STO originals, but the Atlas dreadnought is great. The placement of the third nacelle looks odd. The third nacelle placement on the Galaxy X makes significantly more sense.
I would like to hear the Story behind it. How they ended up using it in the series, you know? That would be very interesting what was the thought process in the end. I'm happy for you they put it in. :D
@Trekyards what makes this Dreadnought a "Dreadnought" what can it do combat wise better than a Constitution class other than having a redundant warp system. If it is close to the same size as a Constitution, and the difference is the power plant, why did the Constitutions not get the same power-plant?
I am surprised that the uss titian alpha did not slap on a third nacelle given that the the uss titian alpha already had tue massive 6 main impulse engines deck blocks
🖖😎👍Very greatly well done and very executed and very informatively explained in every way and detail provided indeed guys👌, And I am very glad that this has finally become true Canon for the Dreadnought design has always been one of my favo rite Starship's indeed, And I myself have 3 differemnt
Or they actually did scramble at the last second to throw different ships in the shot and someone knew what they had and added it to the pile. I so would have done that myself 😂😆😂
It’s seems like the people doing Star Trek are just going over what’s non canon ships and making it canon! Which is a great moves since there’s a bunch of ships that should be.
I like the ship but when you hear drednaught you think majority ultra armed but in the schematics its less armed than a Connie class. If it was me I'd have 8 dual phaser banks on saucer 2 on dorsal secondary hull 2 on bottom of ship one on port starboard secondary hull. There would be no blind spots full spherical 360° coverage. 4 torp launchers 2 fore 2 aft. Now that would be a drednaught . A very scary warship.
I am not the biggest fan of the federation class and its sisters from the franz joseph tech manual, I'm more of a fan of TOS fasa & sto designs in that field, but yeah its great to see this be canonized alongside the Pioneer and (in SNW) a very saladin/hermes class looking ship, USS Archer, helps flesh out an era that for the longest time on screen seemed to not have many ships
The galaxy class uss enterprise d ncc-1701 might be fat but i lover her all the more as the trek ship sofo am star trek ship i grew up on first watching
I will get around to modeling it to print. Right now I am printing a 1/1000 Daedalus, and a 1/1000 Romulan Warbird TOS, while I am tweaking issues with their 1/200 scale versions. I did start to model the K7 Space station from the TOS plans, not the re-digitized ones for 1/200 and down. The model of K7 says its 1/6400 but this is totally inaccurate as it is more around 1/837 or somewhere in that neighborhood. The stupid little Enterprise that is in the kit may be 1/6400 but as compared to the model of the K7, the little Enterprise that is in the kit is about the size of a type F shuttlecraft. Anyway I have had some printing success but the bigger models take longer to refit to get the pieces to match. Always good seeing your content. ruclips.net/video/odCnG7_YvJQ/видео.html
i just dont like the galaxy class because it looks like an overweight pug (no hate yours, leave streams wouldnt be the same without their ambient sounds aboard the uss foley) whereas the other cruisers like the constitution look like high performance grey hound race dogs.
I absolutely hate how they are lighting all these new Kirkman startreks, they look like crap. I guess light bulbs are too expensive in future for them to install them on these newer ships or something.
Cool to see but wow is that ship still ugly, its just a constitution class with a tacked on nacelle like a kid designed it to one up the USS enterprise
Not quite. The Federation class Dreadnought primary hull is appreciably larger and differently shaped than the more-or-less standard primary hulls used in the Constitution, Saladin, Hermes, and Ptolemy designs and contains more decks. Also, the Dreadnought's secondary hull is quite a bit deeper, wider, and longer than the Constitution's...😉
🖖😎👍Very greatly well done and very executed and very informatively explained in every way and detail provided indeed guys👌, And I am very glad that this has finally become true Canon for the Dreadnought design has always been one of my favo rite Starship's indeed, And I myself have 3 differemnt
Franz Joseph's work literally changed the course of my life. I chose to become a draftsman after being enthralled by the Star Flee Technical Manual and the Constitution Class Booklet of General Plans.
Seeing one of his original designs get some on-screen recognition like this is absolutely terrific.
Drafting has certainly changed since then. Those books were amazing.
@@Ionizap You know it. I got into it at the beginning of the CAD era. I was one of the early ones who never had a job doing manual drafting, only CAD. But I learned manual drafting in school, so the old style skills are mixed in with the CAD skills, and I was able to appreciate just how hard it was for Franz Joseph to draw what he did with the old techniques.
I've actually found it rather difficult to emulate his style with CAD. Takes some tweaking of lineweights and other techniques, and it will never look exactly the way he did it because CAD has perfectly even breaks in dashed lines, and perfect centering, etc. that is simply not possible with manual drafting. But I've gotten close.
@@_WillCAD_ I did manual drafting many long years ago probably 30 or more and led the conversion to CAD at DND CFB Chatham in Canada. I don't miss it. I'm Lucky I can easily adapt to that kind of thing but many had extreme difficulty.
Artwork and info from Franz Josef's Starfleet Technical Manual had briefly appeared (blink or yawn and you'll miss it) in the first three STar Trek films: images of ship designs appeared on bridge monitors in ST II and ST III, and background audio from the Epsilon IX station in STTMP mentions the names and registry numbers of two scout ships listed in that book (USS Revere NCC-595 and USS Columbia NCC-621)
Right! This seems like a stepped version of those. In the case of the TMP era stuff, I think we were given production reasons for the approach, ie they were trying to flesh out the ST world and they used materials at hand instead of creating new stuff to save on costs. I also personally believe they knew exactly what they were doing, as most of production were fans themselves…
The Dreadnought is also one of my favorites too
I remember getting the Technical Manual and when I saw the Dreadnaught I fell in love with it. Of all the new classes of ships that appeared in that book, this one stood out. I completely missed out on seeing it during that first episode of S3 but...wow! What a surprise!
You know I am fully prepared for all those ships listed as being in the Fleet Museum to being pulled out of mothballs. So Enterprise-A, Enterprise-D saucer, original Voyager, Stargazer (Constellation), a Dreadnaught-class ship maybe...come on out to play (because there's no other ships in the sector LOL). The crew of the Titan may need you.
Reminds me of buying the Starfleet Technical Manual back in the 70s. 🖖
Closest thing we ever got to this on screen was the galaxy class dreadnaught in the TNG season 7 final episode
I'm not sure there's a mention of a Dreadnought in some versions of TMP at that coms station at beginning. If you listen to audio in that scene.
@@DanBen07 There's also apparently schematics of it from the TOS tech manual on one of the screens in the TOS movies according to memory-alpha.
@@tuskin3811 yeah in one of those TOS movies there's schematics from the Joseph technical manual.
I can't help but feel Dreadnaught Dominion helped make this a reality.
That works for me
I really hope that we will get to see the radiant class in Strange New Worlds and Star Trek Online. Same for the Federation class dreadnaught.
The only way to top this split second image is to have one show up in Strang New Worlds
Good to see three nacelle ships getting some love.
I assumed the joke about the nobody wanting the Galaxy class was also a joke at Eagle Moss having lots of unsold stock of that class.
I wanted to buy one, but when I got the money they had gone out of business
I FOUND IT! This episode inspired me to look for my over 45 year old Star Trek federation game piece
2 inch model of the Dreadnaught. No decals and un painted but remarkably detailed. I had to blow quite a bit of cosmic dust off, but it is beautiful. Thanks for reminding me to look for it!
I never really liked the FJ Federation Class for two reasons. The first is, ironically enough it looked "fat" to me (in the vertical sense). All the other variations seem to have the exact same primary hull. The dreadnaught hull is so fat to the point of "where is the bridge module?" (Labeling says "sensor arrays" not bridge.) But the biggest problem was the forward-facing hanger. Open the door and let the space dust in. Yes there is the deflector, but you probably need to turn it off to keep it from deflecting the incoming shuttle. More importantly it's better to have a shuttle match the ships forward momentum than to have it do a hard reverse to keep it from going into the back of the shuttle bay. Yes, you can effectively back it into the bay but flying into a bay seems more intuitive than flying in front of and then slowing down to move into the bay. The idea of three nacelles was super cool even though at the time, I could never figure out why.
I saw it and freaked out! Beautiful design and reference!
So with all the references they have already made to the Fleet Museum and such, I am filled with both dread and excitement that I might get to see my favorite starship design of all time on screen again. We've already seen from screen shots that one of the ships in that museum............. is the Enterprise-A. And for me, the Refit Constitution remains the most beautiful starship ever. I would absolutely love to see that old gal fly one more time. I'm just afraid they would not do the design justice...
I’d always thought if they ever did it, it would be a TMP era refit ( to avoid dealing with the Technical Manual ) with adjustments to make it just different enough… this is super surprising.
Maybe she was an NX and they passed on making her as a full class, instead going with the refits that we see in TMP. My theory was she was the culmination of all the tech that went into the Connie 1's and their related ship classes, including the top nacelle actually being a beefier version of the single nacelle used on the Saladins (my theory there is nothing clumsy as a doppleganger drive, instead its actually twin warp coils within the tube, giving it a much more efficient bubble while at warp). They instead went with the new tech in the refits (modular everything so the spaceframes would last much longer) as well as the new Excelsior project that was meant to 'TRANScend the WARP scale' (see what i did there? my explanation on TMP Era 'TransWarp' - Branding, they were just using it as a way to describe their faster ships, and it worked, they had to redraw the warp scale after that, and her tech went immediately into the fleet thanks to the modular design on the ships, faster refit turn arounds etc - 1701A in STIV has Excelsior instrumentation). Sadly, Federation Class was probably too much of a behemoth for what she was, vs the other ships 'getting it done' with much less resources. i think she would have been great to have seen, personally, showing up to save the day flanked by a cpl of Sallie gunboats (my thoughts on that class, and the Hermes being a scaled-down version of the frame used for survey ships etc, much like the California Class in LD).
Lots of Dreadnaughts in the Star Fleet Battles Universe of course but nice to have some on screen love for this design.
Calling it now, this ship’s going to be in the big Frontier Day Parade in a later Picard episode along with the NX-01.
Cool didn't notice the ship! 🖖
the technical manual I saw showed that the federation class could haul three freighter hulls behind it, but the constitution could only do two
Lovely FJ Easter egg😎! Looking forward to the breakdown of the end credits Starfleet Museum LCARS👍
I think most of us fell in love with this ship.
I have a little dreadnaught model like that on my desk. I think it's a futura import on a eaglemoss stand. Don't discount the micromachines ships either.
I was so glad this was included
I missed this somehow! I too share the Dreadnought love. Finally canon!! Yes, we must have a Dreadnought in SNW!!!
Thank you for noticing this guys :)
Your new lcars and the like and subscribe graphic and sound effects are totally on point!
Thanks! were really trying! :D
I'm sure you guys are aware of this, but cygnus x-1 and starship dynamics have the deck plans for a Federation-class dreadnought, and the ship given is the USS Foley. I thought that was pretty cool.
Yep! Stuart worked with them on it :D
I'm with you guys...this makes me super happy.
Wow, I mean wow. No mention of Star trek novels Battlestations or Dreadnought by Diane Carey. The starship called the Star Empire
Yay! And yeah that was great of them to do this!
They've changed the design sightly, if you look at the back of the saucer, it's not perfectly round for some reason.
Fortune Of War V1 was the first Trek expanded Universe book i got. I just wish the third nacelle was more in line in between the other 2 real nacelles. Maybe also rename it the Joseph Class. Fed Class is like call it Starfleet Class
What about the Hermes-class and Saladin-class?
There's a similar one in strange new worlds.
There was an image of a ship like that on a monitor in Star Trek one or two... So it's technically been canon for a while.
Both are marginally canon, having been fleetingly glimpsed on both the USS Enterprise and USS Grissom's bridge monitors in STII: TWOK and STIII: TSFS, respectively...😉
Just check out the technical manual.
Yay, Dreadnought! Thought the 3 nacelled Galaxy from AGT was a Dread too.
It looks like the nacelles are SNW style enterprise ones
I would love if Picard or Strange New Worlds picked up the Atlas class from STO. I don’t typically love STO originals, but the Atlas dreadnought is great.
The placement of the third nacelle looks odd. The third nacelle placement on the Galaxy X makes significantly more sense.
I would like to hear the Story behind it. How they ended up using it in the series, you know? That would be very interesting what was the thought process in the end. I'm happy for you they put it in. :D
Hey, Still hoping that it will make an appearance in Where No One Has Gone Before
now we are just missing the proxima class starship
It sort of looks like it has SNW nacelles, it has the dark ring a ways back from the bussard.
@Trekyards what makes this Dreadnought a "Dreadnought" what can it do combat wise better than a Constitution class other than having a redundant warp system. If it is close to the same size as a Constitution, and the difference is the power plant, why did the Constitutions not get the same power-plant?
I heard the Reliant in Wrath of Khan was originally going to be the 3-nacelle dreadnought but that never happened.
Pioneer class and Fed dreadnought class T6 in Star Trek Online now? Also with all the Connie variants as version for the Fed dreadnought.
The dreadnaught design always felt bulky, dipropionate and overly busy to me but I'm happy for Capt. Folly.
Wasn’t it in one of the movies in a monitor scrolling through that and other FJ ships?
I am surprised that the uss titian alpha did not slap on a third nacelle given that the the uss titian alpha already had tue massive 6 main impulse engines deck blocks
Wish we had video of Capt Foley expression when first seeing the Dreadnought becoming canon….
Did the Picard production team change the look of any of the ships from TOS as they did in Discovery?
🖖😎👍Very greatly well done and very executed and very informatively explained in every way and detail provided indeed guys👌, And I am very glad that this has finally become true Canon for the Dreadnought design has always been one of my favo rite Starship's indeed, And I myself have 3 differemnt
They were looking for more designs… because nobody likes the fat one.
I WANT it in STO (but not in a lockbox). Federation class Dreadnought carrier
Or they actually did scramble at the last second to throw different ships in the shot and someone knew what they had and added it to the pile. I so would have done that myself 😂😆😂
Doesn't make the design any less ghastly, Cap! :D
Wohoo! The one true dreadnought!
Nice struts
This has to be in SNW as Admiral April ship
What if the third nacelle is powered by an Henry archer's Warp engine look at the location nx-01
LOL, when I print it, it will not have flaws.
It’s seems like the people doing Star Trek are just going over what’s non canon ships and making it canon! Which is a great moves since there’s a bunch of ships that should be.
I like the ship but when you hear drednaught you think majority ultra armed but in the schematics its less armed than a Connie class. If it was me I'd have 8 dual phaser banks on saucer 2 on dorsal secondary hull 2 on bottom of ship one on port starboard secondary hull. There would be no blind spots full spherical 360° coverage. 4 torp launchers 2 fore 2 aft. Now that would be a drednaught . A very scary warship.
It's about time.
I am not the biggest fan of the federation class and its sisters from the franz joseph tech manual, I'm more of a fan of TOS fasa & sto designs in that field, but yeah its great to see this be canonized alongside the Pioneer and (in SNW) a very saladin/hermes class looking ship, USS Archer, helps flesh out an era that for the longest time on screen seemed to not have many ships
Guinan is off clucking on a talk show on FNN called View Halloo
Where is the bridge?
@Trekyards well they need more ships for Attack Wing XD
i wonder if this would have been a new eaglemoss model
So, when do you guys do the show on the STO Pioneer class also now becoming cannon? :)
Is the model TOS or is it the Strange New Worlds Connie as a Dreadnaught
It was about time.
Anybody here ever read the TOS novel, "Dreadnought"?
Yep. And it was a good story
Yes. And unfortunately, Admiral Rittenhouse is still dead...😢
The galaxy class uss enterprise d ncc-1701 might be fat but i lover her all the more as the trek ship sofo am star trek ship i grew up on first watching
I know you happy about this Stuart lol👍🏾
The federation class has been canon since 1982.
Just my opinion, but FJ designs popping up on screen over the years makes them all cannon, they were legit at the time.
So if that's the dreadnought is the uss Foley dose that makes caption Foley canon as well😂🤣😄😃
I will get around to modeling it to print. Right now I am printing a 1/1000 Daedalus, and a 1/1000 Romulan Warbird TOS, while I am tweaking issues with their 1/200 scale versions.
I did start to model the K7 Space station from the TOS plans, not the re-digitized ones for 1/200 and down.
The model of K7 says its 1/6400 but this is totally inaccurate as it is more around 1/837 or somewhere in that neighborhood. The stupid little Enterprise that is in the kit may be 1/6400 but as compared to the model of the K7, the little Enterprise that is in the kit is about the size of a type F shuttlecraft.
Anyway I have had some printing success but the bigger models take longer to refit to get the pieces to match.
Always good seeing your content. ruclips.net/video/odCnG7_YvJQ/видео.html
Does this make the novel 'Dreadnought!' canon?
No, novels aren't canon. Sorry!
No. Admiral Rittenhouse is still dead, sorry...😉
"Nobody wants the FAT ONE!"
i just dont like the galaxy class because it looks like an overweight pug (no hate yours, leave streams wouldnt be the same without their ambient sounds aboard the uss foley) whereas the other cruisers like the constitution look like high performance grey hound race dogs.
I absolutely hate how they are lighting all these new Kirkman startreks, they look like crap. I guess light bulbs are too expensive in future for them to install them on these newer ships or something.
Playing devil's advocate -- is there a chance that they did not realize that it was not canon/licensed?
Cool to see but wow is that ship still ugly, its just a constitution class with a tacked on nacelle like a kid designed it to one up the USS enterprise
Not quite. The Federation class Dreadnought primary hull is appreciably larger and differently shaped than the more-or-less standard primary hulls used in the Constitution, Saladin, Hermes, and Ptolemy designs and contains more decks. Also, the Dreadnought's secondary hull is quite a bit deeper, wider, and longer than the Constitution's...😉
🖖😎👍Very greatly well done and very executed and very informatively explained in every way and detail provided indeed guys👌, And I am very glad that this has finally become true Canon for the Dreadnought design has always been one of my favo rite Starship's indeed, And I myself have 3 differemnt