The Dilgar Fleet Analysis | Babylon 5 Ships
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- In this video, we will be looking at the different Dilgar Ships and comparing which one is the strongest. We will be looking at the Thorun Dartfighter , Athraskala heavy bomber, Garasoch Heavy Carrier , Tratharti Gunship, Dilgar Fighter, Dilgar War Cruiser and Mishakur Dreadnought. What kind of weapons and defenses do they have and why are they stronger than each other.
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If we got a B5 prequel I would vote for the Delgar War.
Visiting the war would be a very good idea but Babylon 5 was not around during that time
@@AODRHINO Yes, but that is why I said Prequel! You could toss in something about how the War led to the star of the Babyon Project.
Damn beat me to it. Yeah as long as JMS is doing the writing I could easily get behind a series of that.
@@the_flyattractor8656 You are right!!
Nope he only has an idea... O wait no ideas at all because he is redoing B5
What was it the one dude said, "If we can handle the Dilgar, we can handle the Minbari?" Famous last words.
He is not around to ask.
I'd like to defend this man by saying that while now dead he WAS efficient, packing arrogance & stupidity into one handy package!
Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package, how efficient.
Londo
To be fair, humanities' limited knowledge of the galaxy's races made it sound pretty reasonable that if they managed to defeat the Dilgar and the substantial threat they posed, that they should be able to deal with almost anything.
@@beaney56 What do you want you moon faced assassin of joy?
I allways immagined the dilgar were so effective bc no major power oposed them. Vorlons and minbari didn't care, centauri and narn cooperated in one way or an other. This leads to the leaque of non allined worlds which if we are been honest is not vary advanced in technology and most of the time not even united. Earth was a new player on the stage and no one knew what to expect from them so they could suprise the dilgar.
The Vree technology was right there with the Minbari maybe a notch lower
@@MrRalboi919 advanced technology doesn't equal powerful military. That also takes loads of resources invested into it
@@sylph4252 No disrespect but what's your point ? I'm not addressing there military power, but it's a fact the Vree was very advanced way ahead of Earth and close to the Minbari thats all not saying they have a powerful military
If you get a chance, one person wrote a fanfic about the Dilgar War. Look up "Lightning Count Dilgar War". Very long, but very good
@@MrRalboi919 I was continuing the discussion. It went something like "the League was weak because it had no advanced technology -> but they had advanced technology -> but that doesn't equate a powerful military"
One thing you didn’t mention for the B5Wars Dillard is the difference in aesthetic style for the fore and aft sections. This was because different contractors built the sections, which were mounted together afterward.
If that is not the most realistic and likely thing to happen in Sci-Fi... I don't know what is. I can see that happening if Earth ever unites and builds their own starships.
love it. Its too bad the Dilgar were never really fleshed out in the series. they would have been an interesting wild card.
Hopefully we see more in the reboot
I'd love a prequel series about the Dilgar
@@Sean12248 The Fact a Race can go Extinct. When A Jump Gate Exist was BS-but it give B5 a Solid backstory,
@@TwiceStruck The backstory I gave it was the Dilgar didn't have Jump Gate tech and no one would give them one.
@@Sean12248 Going from Memory that's easily 20+ years Old, Most if Not All Races had a Jumpgate at the edge of their System, easily accessible once they achieve space flight to reach it. Minus the Humans, who had non.( we know Why).So highly probable Dilgar had one, no other way to go on a conquest fest.
This is awesome! Great analysis! 😎👍
I would recommend to anyone the Dilgar War book (fanfiction) by Lord of Misrule, which are great.
It is a good read, but... it's actually WWII in space... and deviates from the cannon significantly as I recall.
Nevertheless I usually re-read it at least once a year.
I'm currently reading it now, it's quite an amazing story and would've loved to see this adapted as a series.
Most definitely worth a read. The author (lightning count), did a very good job fleshing out the story.
Thanks for this! The Dilgar didn't get enough exposure during B5, except as references when talking EarthForce history.
Perhaps the new B5 remake will add all elements and turn them into Seasons? Like Season 1, the Dilgar war, S2 Minbari and so forth, who knows.
Ikr, they'd also be an obvious vassal species for the Shadows or whatever First one takes their place in the new continuity. So a splinter group of survivers would not be fans of the EA.
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9.19K subscribers The Dilgar have and interesting array of ships in their fleet. I really really like the fearsome and intimidating design feel of their ships, even if they have yet to appear in "Babylon 5", but I'm still hoping we might get a book prequel series showcasing the Dilgar War. If I had to pick my TWO favorite classes of Dilgar ships......... I would definitely pick the Tratharti Gunship Cruiser and also the Dilgar War Cruiser as my Top TWO Favorites.
Nice video! i never knew anything about the dilgar except what little information we get during the show.
thats all the info there is. the rest of this is made up. like when he said how did they become to advanced and dangerous. they were always advanced and dangerous. they were on par with the centauri. they invaded and started to expand because they realized their star was going to go nova and they needed another planet.
Awesome job on the Dilgar fleet. Thanks
Thanks!!
Given how brutal the B5 universe can be you can at least see why the Dilgar felt driven to become conquerors after they discovered that the star of their home planet was going to go nova. They probably saw their actions as being justified by their desperate situation. I wonder if that was known at the time of the Dilgar invasions or if it only became apparent once their star exploded.
I'd love to see you do a video on what would have happened if Earthforce had been on Sheridan's side in the Shadow war. If Santiago wasn't assainated or if Marie Crane had won the election (rendering Clark's plan pointless). Would the Shadows have made greater use of their servants like the Drakh etc
That's a good idea. Thanks. I'll add it to the list.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 with the B5 remake confirmed and JMS heading it, we may get to see this story be told.
Thanks i didn't know some of this information
Thanks great subject
Dilgar really rock that Prussian Uniform LOL.
So I can’t help but spot a similarity to the shadow ally’s ships add to that the races mindset and I think if they weren’t directly been used by the shadows or their servants then the dilgar probably found some of their ships or maybe Dilgar prime was used as a staging world in the last war when the race was still young.
The Centauri Fleet is very interessting maybe you can analys they at next ^^
The most iconic ship in the Centauri fleet was the Vorchan Attack Crusier.
This ship was very fast and enormus high manoeuvrable.
Armed with heavy Twinpuls Canon and a Miningcatapult was this light cruiser one of the most deadly Ships after the Minbari Sharlin class.
I would say the Primus is the most iconic. But the Vorchan is still a cool ship.
@@StateOfMind63 The Primus is simply a relic from the dawn of the Centauri Republic. It has weak armor, low maneuverability and weak weapons for a ship of this class. Vorchans are cheaper, more modern and more efficient.
The Dilgar War Cruiser kinda reminds me of a Protoss Carrier from StarCraft.
We played a b5 campaign TT game with players choosing a race and trying to dominate a galaxy. The dilgar were deadly the sheer number of fighters they could deploy would just overwhelm their opposition. In the end it took the centari and narn working together to challenge them, if only those 2 could get along in the real b5 :-) there were no menbari or earth force in the game by the way :-)
Minbari would have easily dominated this one, so the exclusion makes perfect sense to me.
@@ravenknight4876 that's what we thought would've given someone an unfair advantage :-)
I would love to be able to get my hands on that unreleased Babylon 5 game, but to answer your question for other science fiction fleets to review might I suggest the Vorlons!! 🤠👍
My thing is why did it had to take the Earth Alliance to fight the Dilgar. I mean the Minbari, or the Centauri even the Narns could've interject during their invasion.
What if the Dilgar were so effective because the Shadows would pop in before the battle and devastate the other fleet like they did in the Centauri/Narn war? The Dilgar were the first puppets of the newly awakened Shadows.
nope the shadows were still asleep. The Dilgar being puppets is not there.
The Dilgar had some help from the Drakh like stealth, and more advanced armor & weapons for their latest and last dreadnaught class. The Drakh also provided the means for the Dilgar to build Shadow planet killer missiles. The Drakh may had a hand in Omelos's sun prematurely going supernova. But the few Shadows who were awake during the war really gave no support to the Dilgar. They had interest but that changed when their attention moved to the humans becoming well known on the galactic stage as the new power that defeated the Dilgar.
I always saw the dilgar were students of the shadows and their defeat both infuriated the shadows and intrigued the shadows about the humans
The shadows always had an eye on humanity. It could be said that the dilgar were as much a test for humanity as the non aligned worlds are to the Dilgar.
@@barrybend7189
And what gave humans the edge over the dilgar.
Adaption and like delenn said, the ability to make communities.
This was a strength (adaption) and weakness (communities) to the shadows which is why they had to keep the humans out of it.
They just didn't expect some to fight back
How about a video on the Earth Alliance and league of unaligned worlds ships tech during the dilgar war
B5 always makes me nostalgic! I do have a random question, what software are you using to create the circular audio visualizer at the start of your video?
Adobe premiere pro.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 Cheers, thanks!
@@UtopianBroadcast1 Good video dude! New subscriber here! J'ha'dur was one of my favorite characters outside of the main characters.
Would be something is if they found one of those carriers floating in Subspace by accident. I know it's a one in a billion chance, but hey we can all dream can't we. B5 definitely needs to come back especially with modern Graphics it would just be absolutely amazing, not saying that the original version wasn't considering I own all of it. And I'm pretty sure everybody can imagine why considering my last name.😎
wonder if they traded or were secretly aligned with the drak.
those yellow ships look pretty dang close technology
Per JMS comments on a messageboard.... yes. It was revelation he always wanted to address during the show (or in A Lost Tales episode) but never got a chance
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!. Using the far superior AoG designs. I "played" a major role in perfecting these ship. (Agent Pendragon. Head of both League of Non-Aligned Gamers...and Co-Lead (with Roman "ShadowScout" Pernier) of Project Y....Spectrea from the Past...the proposed (And all but complete) Return of the Dilgar/Dilgar Second Imperium...and their role as rebellious Shadow Allies.
You failed to list the Targath Battle Cruiser...the Jashakar frigate...Protra Scouts...the Delogor Suicide ships.
Sneaking in the Mongoose ship....while such better ships...like the Targath was ignored.
Our background included why Jha'Dur was held by the windswords...and the engendering of Racial Hatred of the Minbari (Because of the Windsword breach of the agreement to allow the Dilgar refugee fleet to transit through both Minbari & Protectorate Space under escort...all pre-arranged by Jha'Dur in person...having moved ahead of the main fleet in one of the 4 Protra. Scouts The Windswords chose to keep Jha'Dur instead of agreed upon term of returning her to her fleet....having a death pledge placed upon them by the fleet lesd...and Jha'Dur's lover.)
(Note: The Dilgar also hate the Drakh with a passion as well...but there is a long assed story about the disrespect & contempt the Drakh direced at the newest "Shadow Ally" The Dilgar Second Imperium)
(Another Note: The SI did plan a rescue of Jha'Dur off Babylon 5, but their hyperwake sensors picked up the Vorlon cruiser...and their Ochlavita II was utterly outclassed. And a substancial SI fleet was enroute to Coriana 6 to fight the great battle there...but were "delayed' by Hyperspace "Instabilities" encountered enroute. The arrived just as the Shadows were leaving beyond the veil...and turned arround and quickky returned to SI space)
Is there some print form of this?? I hear for the first time about a second dilgar imperium!
@@StaK_1980 well sadly...we were at about 85% complete when AoG lost their license (Which I suspect some shenanigans on the part of Mongose) and mores the pity...the B5Wars game was tied to that license.
I had wrote up the background...and fluff...including the fate of the Star Legion...the destruction of a minor race of religious fanatics who had the gall to attack the refugee fleet...the discovery of the massively built Centaur like Chassar...and subsequnt subjugatin of the race...that led to full integration of them into the SI...(A few of their assault troopers in full battle armour participated in the recovery operation at Zha'ha'Dum just before the Drakh and the other Shadow Allies blew up the rmaing structure...and the return of the Nightmare of the Past...the Dilgar Second Imperium...to square off against the IA.
I have bits of it still (Between a HD Crash...and losng alot of stuff when they swapped computers at work...where I did most of the wirk...including my initial imagery of a "Shadow Mishakur" before we settled into our more sensible SI ideas. There are some items still on the Project page...and Roman has most of the ships. (My favs are the Jashvita Battle Corvette...know affectionately as the "The White Star Killer" as it was a fairly even match between them..with a slight advantage to the Jashvita as she carries more weapons than expected...and the Mishakur II...known as "The Bone Breaker" that could take on a Shargoti Battleship)
Will see if there is enough to at least post a few.
@@jamesrose1460 oh man. That sounds interesting!
Nice video. Good job. If anyone here would like to check out a really good story I would suggest you take a look at Dilgar War on fan fiction. It may not be cannon but it is a very good story for all Babylon 5 fans. It is a bit long but at least it is a full complete story
Were did you get any of this info?
I dont remeber thoughts game.
fandom and Babylon 5 wars
They should start the new series with the Dilgar War
jem,hadar heavy battle ship.
The Dilgar look like the lead lady does from "Treasure Planet".
Can someone point me to the map at 1:28? I've collected a number of B5 maps but havn't seen this one yet.
You can find the map in Babylon 5 wars - The Dilgar Invasion (Book).
Hi sorry if I'm wrong but from when I played the card came, RPG and various fleet games the Dilgar only conquered small amounts of space within the territory of the NA races and unclaimed space. Did they conquer any mimbar, narn or centary space?
No.They had secret agreements with Centauri and Narn. Mimbar space is too far and borders on the opposite side of Centauri territory, away from League Worlds.
They hit the NA quite hard. Wiped out most of the smaller and technologically weaker NA races, forced the Hyach and Abbai back to their homeworlds, put the Brakiri underseige, the Balosians(close to Earth Alliance) were almost crushed. The Dilgar had already started evacuating their doomed home world and moved to worlds that they had conquered and they had already become bigger than most of the NA members outside of the Drazi.
@@ChairmanMo yeah I remember the Abbai (the bird race right?) being wiped out to a man, who went out on a ‘recruitment’ drive to help their world and others. But only earth agreed to support in the push back.
@@Docktavion Abbai are the advanced fish people in the LoNAW. Alecante were the bird people that nearly got wiped out.
I always assumed the reason the dilgar got as far as they did was because the league didn't actually help each other. So the dilgar just had to take the galaxy one race at a time
I'd love to see the original Shadows War personally !
Babylon 4, War Without End Part 3.
The seem more interesting than the Drazi or Pak-Mara
Did we all see the Star Trek LCARS display?
….”everyone will fall upon each other like wolves”…..Jha’dur
Did you ever read that enfi Babylon 5 site? 👍
I read some of it, but I need to finish it
@@UtopianBroadcast1
Good isn't it? 😊👍
Didn't understand why they just didn't evacuate to a colony planet instead of attacking everyone
because their colonies where not capable of supporting most of their population
@@anuvisraa5786And I am pretty sure they would become vulnerable, someone could even conquer them eventually.
It's interesting that there tec remains but they still lost the war and existence its self.
Warcruiser is actually Sekhmet class.
Wow! Now THIS is niche.
I would like to see see
A Babylon 5 Dilgurad movie ..... But they are trying to do a reboot that will flop🤔🤔🤔🤔???
game was a few months from release.... Anyone got a pirated copy out there... few months basically means done.
I've looked for years and couldn't find one.
B5 prequel.. follow sinclair afther he travels back in time.
There was a comic series based on that
@@weldonwin That would be cool but, a majority of the actors have passed away, Bill Mummy, Claudia Christian, Bruce Boxleitner and Jason Carter are the only ones left. Really sad.
JMS is working with CW for a reboot of sorts. Still years away but I pray it comes to fruition.
@@tomsko863 and does not have wokeness all over it...ugh.
Could you please analyze the minbari fleet
It's crazy one star trek ship could wipe out the entire b5 universe
Pffffffffffftttt whatever the first ones could end Star fleet in their sleep.
pre-B5 humans would stand no chance against Starfleet, but some of the other races (Brakiri, Minbari, etc.) seem to be about on equal footing. Shadows and Vorlons would be problematic but not indestructable provided that phasers work like Babylon 5's energy weapons, and the other elder races would be pretty difficult to get rid of... It'd be possible, I suppose, but it would require heavy usage of the usual Star Trek deflector get-out-of-jail-free card and there would still be heavy casualties.
@@Ithirahad star trek ships have cloaks and shields and they can transport troops or torpedoes directly on non shielded ships. B5 ships only use hull plating and they us Mass drivers. Trek ships are use to energy weapons and they have much greater range they would snipe b5 ships light years away.
@@elvangulley3210 yes but that's because B5 is more grounded in reality than Star Trek that's the problem. Every issue in Star Trek was fixed by recalibrating something the shields, phazars, torpedoes the teleporter there's endless jokes about it. Star Trek is not a lived in world it's a perfect make-believe one for God sakes the Federation has hundreds of worlds and 38 different species in it but in every ship everybody is Human except one Guy and he usually just has pointy ears, that's either the most successful case of SEGREGATION in history or just bad writing...up your game Star Trek you look racist.
@@loslobos786 those are star fleet ships so of course they will be mostly human. Some of the aliens can't even survive on those ships. Some race don't send any military personnel at all. Not all the planets are strong like earth. Star trek is also set way past b5s future. I would hope tech would be that good by then. And what's wrong with the crew using they're brains and finding solutions with the ship? The crew is filled with scientists and engineers the best of the best.
Get rekt dilgar we win you loose
That was some cheap looking CGI even for 1990's standard, even by season 6 of TNG they stopped using studio models and went CGI and it was fantastic B5 didnt even try ....
budgeting, ST:TNG had a huge budget, while B5 had pennies compared.
The video is about Babylon 5, but yet there's a depiction of a Star Trek TNG console panel in much of the video.
Hard to believe EA actually won this war. In Star Trek when the Federation was just born, even combined force was barely able to fight Romulans who were more advanced back then. And some say B5 is more realistic🙃
Well EA still claims they won the war against the Minbari. So propably the Dilgar couldn't simply gain enough territory until there sun explode and then EA came and cleared what was left and claimed victory for themself.
@@nemo99nemo83 that`s possible
EA didn’t won the War alone, the combined might of the League and other minor powers is comparable or superior to any major power bar the Minbari or the First Ones
I think answer is Aurora Starfury. As I saw in video most larger ships of Dilgars don't have good anti fighter defence so wings of starfury after destroying Dilgar figter can easily atack larger ships from behind. This is only my opinion
Laughs in universal Nuking
So the earth committed yet another Genocide by not helping the Dilgar find another world. As usual.
In the story the Dilgar never told anyone about why their homeworld was doomed. By the time everyone found out, would they help given the crimes the Dilgar committed?
The Dilgar brought everything on themselves. The Dilgar lasted 2 more years before their sun went nova but by the end of the war they just gave up and welcomed death.
@@ChairmanMo Besides the extremely flawed and callous argument of "they deserved it", you know, ALL of them (all species, ages, ideologies, etc.), it would be ignorant to think none of the other races could identify something as important as Dilgar's sun about to go nova. This could have been a plot hole that JMS needed or just didn't have time to flesh out. A supernova isn't something to poo-poo. The effects of a star going supernova is BILLIONS of LIGHT YEARS. It would have affected neighboring stars and even hyperspace (there was mention somewhere that matter in normal space affects hyperspace). Distances in B5 were always wonky but from Earth to Centauri Prime was under 100 light years. So, yeah...
First 52 seconds of the video told me all I needed to know. Nothing that is canon. so everything about this video is total BS.
Now stay with Canon (the actual tv show) and lets see how much info you have, considering they appeared just in one ep., and only one Dilgar at that at least til the Vorlons destroyed her.
I just hope this reboot is not some woke leftist garbage!
You know it will be, with a Trumpy Earth president...
They already had a dictator in President Clarke president Trumps wet dream. There were plenty of liberal ideals in the Original B5. All those strong female roles must be traumatizing for you to think about.
@@BrianLongley Well, lol.
I don't know the guy/girl, but I could guess that he/she has no problem with strong female leads.
But he /she is irked by this new wave of diversity for the sake of diversity... without substance.
I mean, he/she probably liked the original. And in the original, you have:
- Delenn had a race change (and there was an idea of sex change as well - that was dropped later because it wouldn't have added to the plot). Basically "transitioning"
- Ivanova had a *khmm* _close_ relationship with Talia Winters while at the same time having male romantic partners... being BI, anyone?
- multiple episodes, dealing with segregation, prejudice and racism ( for example: where Sheridan double-crosses those guys who want to kill the Abbai ambassador)
- the whole Nightwatch theme and comment on watching your neighbours (police states and communism, anyone? )
- Narn and Centauri duking it out (rivalry like that of Israel vs Palestine or that of old Germans/Prussians vs the French)
- Theme of genocide (Dilgar, Markab, the whole goddamn Shadow arc)
- etc...
@@StaK_1980 correct, and it was story driven not diversity driven, or women stronger than men, or even equal in physical strength. type stuff, yeah there are some few women that can outdo some men. but they are the exception not the rule. JMS wrote smart women, not me woman me knock you over head cause you are man.
i think that is what poster hopes does not happen, as do i. i liked the intrigue, i like the strong women he wrote, personally i would not want to be on the receiving end of one of their various rants...oh hell no i hear that i am already gone...lol. i would be like...wait did she just...nevermind we are gone!