Was Girl Kidnapped Twice Due To Parents' Maladaptive Agreeableness? | Jan Broberg Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Jan Broberg? Her case was featured in a documentary titled “Abducted in Plain Sight.”
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As a lifelong Mormon, I can tell you that the church breeds these kinds of people and this kind of behavior. The parents kept this monster in their lives because, in the church, a sense of belonging and a good reputation and appearing pious are everything. The parents had very normal sexual feelings that they absolutely could and would not express normally and healthily so, once expressed secretly, they felt shame and guilt and had to hide it; and that opened them up to being blackmailed. Yes, B took advantage of that and that was of course wrong; but the parents allowed it all to happen because they were indoctrinated to believe that their sexuality was wrong and shameful and their association in the church was more valuable than their daughter's safety. And Jan was of course susceptible to being manipulated because the church taught her obedience to authority, especially male authority, and that breeding to raise righteous souls to save the world was all part of god's plan and that supernatural entities come down and give messages to righteous people and that truth is determined not by observation and logic but by feelings which, of course, can be manipulated. And the church didn't teach her about healthy sex boundaries and that her body is her own. She was about the same age as some of Joseph Smith's wives, whom he manipulated in very much the same way, saying that they will perish and their family will be destroyed if they didn't marry him. I mean, look at The Happiness Letter for god's sake! B literally took a page right out of Joseph Smith's manipulation playbook! So, yes, the church is very much complicit in all of this.
My jaw was on the floor for this whole documentary. The stupidity of these parents is astounding! Not to mention that the "kidnapping" of their daughter was clearly allowed because of the affair that both of the parents had with Robert. They didn't want the information to get out to the church. These parents should be in jail along with Robert. So disgusting!
This case makes me so mad. The parents were absolute and total IDIOTS who fed their innocent little girl to a predator. Yuck. The perpetrator is totally disgusting.
Seriously. They might as well have just sold her off every night… that’s basically what they WERE doing, just for free.
No they were not idiots. The parents were both sleeping with him.
Exactly and the father had a sexual encounter with him too
@@cbroberts210 ok so did the mother?
@lovelock875 that's why I used the word TOO! It means in addition to...yes they both did...
I remember the Netflix documentary about this story. I believe there's a line between being "naive" and being accomplices, and Jan's parents crossed it.
for sure..., my folks were also idiots on steroids religious fanatics it was a horrible Crazy Life of me being sexually abused all because my mother and father failed to protect me wicked parents
That's right. Jan's parents were accomplices. Robert had something on the parents. He used clever manipulation, seduction, deception and fear to manipulate Jan, I'll bet he used the same M.O. with her parents. Robert's wife Gail knew that Bob and Robert had a homosexual experience, and used that to blackmail Jan's parents into saying they gave permission to take Jan to Mexico. They're blackmailers.
I think that Robert is really perceptive and sees people's weaknesses. He is good at weaseling his way into people's trust, finding out their fears and weaknesses, then exploiting those fears and weaknesses to get what he wants.
He saw that Jan's parents were sexually ambiguous, that each were vulnerable to seduction, that the husband had homosexual tendencies that he wanted to keep secret from their religious community.
This is a very common child molester technique, to seduce the parents. The most common molester of a girl is the mother's lover. It wouldn't surprise me if he were giving them drugs, or had proof that they had been involved in some sort of illegal activity. Maybe he threatened them, that if he got in trouble, he was going to say they both knew all along and accepted payment for his sexual contact with their daughter.
Accomplices know what thier doing. Nieve people don't know. Course once you know, then you know.
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I watched that too and don't remember anything about the Dad "providing manual gratification" to Bob. I don't doubt it, just wish I knew Dr Grande's sources!
It seems like everyone threw that child to the wolves, but especially her parents. It's pretty sickening.
Jan's parents are so stunningly incompetent ,they should never ever be allowed near children
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Totally agree, Jan's parents allowed this man to be in bed with their daughter for days and months at a time. WTF. These parents put her on a plane to be with him. They both needed to be put in jail as accomplishes to Roberts sickly, nasty behavior. I was hoping Jan wouldn't be talking to them as an adult. But the mom still apparently has holds over her as they wrote a book together. I'm sure the mom makes her sick self out as a victim also.
@@andrewduran4320 You sound like an idiot with that response. I'm betting your parents were friend's with Robert. Jan's parents definitely were total idiots and should have went to jail also.
Consistent failure of Jan all around. Parents are ridiculously ridiculous and Robert's punishments were pathetically pathetic. Poor Jan.
I agree with what you’re saying, but just a heads up: that first sentence sounds like you’re saying Jan is the one who failed and most likely that’s not your intention.
@@Super_Grover_ hello, you have said what's wrong, but you haven't offered a suggestion on how to correct what they said. I would like to know please! as I'm always looking for ways to improve my language skills. Thanks in advance
Agree 💯 And fact they both fell in love with this man is just ... disturbingly disgusting
@@bgirlpamsolo “Consistent failure of Jan by everyone around her.”
@@bgirlpamsoloThose who shouled protected her Consistantly failed Jan.
Poor Jan. Her parents are beyond self serving. I feel like they wanted to maintain their own relationships with Robert at the expense of Jan. They were both attracted to him.
She had the worst parents in the history of mankind. I watched this documentary and it made my blood boil to see that evil man almost get away with his crimes.
I watched this on Netflix and I felt like I was living in the twilight zone. Thanks for covering this Dr Grande.
It's on Peacock. I didn't know it was on Netflix, too.
yeah i definitely had that "am i on crazy pills" feeling while watching this doc
@@TheBOG3 the documentary is on Netflix
The dad gave him an hj?! I've heard of grooming but these people took it to a new level! No matter how you slice it, these idiots failed to protect their child from a known child predator.
Yes. Both parents engaged in s*x acts with the man who abducted their child, repeatedly.
There is something seriously wrong with Jan’s parents!!!!
Gullible, naive, stupid and horny for the pedo (they both had sex with him).
Many religious people are taught not to think for themselves, which makes them incredibly easy to manipulate.
They belonged in jail too
The parents were really off the meds.
Exactly. Being agreeable and too trusting doesn't take away rationality and critical thinking. Especially once they were engaging in sexual acts with him themselves. They basically pimped out their daughter. They encouraged their daughter to believe such nonsense. I wouldn't look at either of them again. They belong in prison. Disgusting and disturbing.
@@LuminousLilith truly disgusting
In some places you have to jump through hoops to be allowed to adopt a pet but any nutterbutter can have a kid. 😢
@Clarry good idea. I will get a man eating tiger with a taste for YT trolls. 😂
I was wondering if you would cover this. Abducted in Plain Sight was one of the craziest documentaries I have ever seen. If someone had invented this story as fiction, people would likely say it was outrageous and unbelievable. Ultimately, Jan Broberg was failed by everyone who was supposed to be looking out for her. The sadness of it is sometimes, I think, overshadowed by the absurdity of the situation.
I agree!
Christ my mind still spins from watching that 😅
watch Tickled and thank me later :D
Proof that truth is stranger than fiction. You could never dream this B.S. up.
@@bobbyologun1517 I decided to take your advice about the doc. I'm ten minutes into it and think I've said, "holy SHIT!?!?!" 100 times already, LOL.
My pet theory is that the parents were in on it from the get-go. Even if money didn’t change hands, they basically sold Jan to her abuser.
It seems like both parents were sexually interested and involved with the abuser and wanted to gain his attention and favor so they pimped out their daughter for a little sexual attention. GROSS
I don't think they were both in on it from the beginning, but they didn't see the abuse as abuse, or that they didn't care that the abuse was happening. It is absolutely disturbing. I really don't understand how they can fail their children so much in so many ways.
Agree and her mom writes a book to cash in
I'm glad Jan survived and stood up to her abuser in court. She's a very resilient person considering the years of grooming and abuse she endured from Robert. I don't know how she ever managed to forgive her parents. They failed her at every possible turn and completely blew the FBI's solid case against Robert. It's hard not to blame them for how many years the abuse continued by their absurd need to please Robert.
How about the gullible justice system's weak sentences given to Robert....extreme Fail.
I'm tired of hearing that these parents were naive. They were crappy, selfish, and put all their own desires first. Her parents are so cringey and disgusting.
@@sdsurfgirl60 totally agree. They were having sex with the guy. They were gross and probably narcissistic
@@sdsurfgirl60 so completely true! As someone who grew up around Mormons, they are so afraid of “sex” they abuse or put their kids at risk over and over
It sounds like all the adults had deviant sexual behavior and we're all guilty. It's a terrible thing what was done to this girl and for so long.
When I watched the documentary I was gobsmacked by the behavior of the parents. There was some attempt to blame it on the era in which it took place. I reject that notion. My parents had 4 children from 1954 to 1963. They were not ignorant of child molesters or people who acted inappropriately around children. Indeed my parents refused to let my sister go to a sleepover for "just girls" held by her 6th grade teacher, a single woman, who was going to be the only adult present. There was never any indication that any improper behavior was occurring, but my parents were not going to take the chance.
the parents say the most bizarre lies with a straight face. they claim that nobody knew what a pedophile was in the 70s. i literally cannot with these people
@@brookiegremlin6660I agree that there is something really "off" about the parents. And the lie about people of that era not knowing about pedophilia is exactly what I was referring to. Of course people knew what it was back in the 1960-70s. It may have been called "child molesting" at that time, but people knew. I think the parents were complicit to some degree in the molestation of their child and are bald-faced lying about that, too.
Your parents are smart. Pedos have always been an issue and will always be an issue. Even now it is overlooked that women can also be offenders so I'm glad that your parents went with their gut on that - even if it was absolutely innocent. That's not one of those things that you look back on in later years sad that you missed it. No adult should be asking for alone time with another person's child, it's weird lol.
i blame it on their fierce mormonism and their willingness to trust everyone in the Mormon Church.
@@esther-catherine Your blame is misguided. Why blame millions of people for the actions of a family. As one of the same faith, I can assure you that you do not have to be Mormon to say NO to a man who wants to have sex with YOU, Your wife, and YOUR daughter! I can't imagine how my father might have responded if a visitor asked him to perform oral sex on him! No, this case has more to do with individual choice than religious teachings. This behavior is abnormal for our society, however, sadly, it is not rare.
Jan's parents cared more about their sex lives than their daughter. More concerned about getting their rocks off and pleasing their liver than keeping their child safe.
"pleasing their liver" .. Liver? Only way to pleasing their liver would be to skip the alcohol....but since they are Mormons...not the problem. Did you mean libido?
@@robertgiles9124 I think she/he meant lover!!
@@Leanne-mw8nm Ha, good call.
Flimsy religious beliefs con artists teaching substituted for tried and true biblical instruction , leads to reaping what is sown. Honesty ,Self Control, integrity, wisdom ,unselfishness, always a protection. Contrast whole world lying in control of the wicked one .World is passing away and so is its desire .Steer clear of imposters advancing from bad to worse .
Wow. A guy who has a history of improper behavior with young girls asks to sleep in the same bed as your young daughter-and you let him. I really cannot comprehend this point of view-if we assume that the parents care at all about protecting their daughter.
Looks like the mother didn’t get real sexual attention of her husband and she easily fell in love with Robert. The father had homosexual feelings and Robert didn’t care to give what the father wanted as long as he could take what he wanted. So both patents for their own sexual needs sold their daughter… the one Robert really wanted. He probably was very ‘happy’ to have found patents like them. Which parent let this happen?
Today's question is, can you analyze the case of Shimon Eliezer? Shimon was involved in a hit-and-run incident in which he rammed his 2013 Toyota Camry into a school bus.
Agree 100%
@@yellowjacket5995 Wrong. It was a Toyota Prius Wagon/Prius while waiting for green a minivan bumped into our car that caught fire. And it was in 2019. No one ran because both cars were total loss.
The kidnapper is responsible first and foremost. Both parents are responsible secondarily.
This looks like bowing to a religion. Dad would have been fine if he admitted he was gay or bi and mom would have been fine if she realized her whole life wasn’t about getting married and having kids for her church. Instead they both sacrificed their daughter to a pedophile.
I CANNOT believe her mother put her on a plane to see her kidnapper. Didnt they realize at all that this man was grooming their daughter?!?
He was also engaging in s*x acts with both of the parents so I think they knew exactly what was happening even if they played naive later. The parents allowed him to take Jan even when they knew he had s*xual interest in her.
She was having sex with him as well, so I think we can say all reason and intelligence was never there. They were fucked opp in so many ways
They didn’t care
I remember when I first saw this documentary. It's hard to believe that this was a real occurrence. Also hard to believe that parents could be so neglectful in protecting their children.
I believe a lot of the issues of the parents stem from the conditioning of the LDS cult. But after the first kidnapping, these 2 had no excuses for the continued contact.
First off we are NOT a cult. That’s such an uneducated, judgmental statement. Cults are secretive….we are not. We share and are open with our beliefs. The only thing we don’t talk about is temple ordinances but that is because it’s sacred, not secret. Cults want to take your personal identity away and make it one with the group. We do not. People are allowed to be who they are and choose to do whatever they want within exception of things we believe are God’s commandments….but we are not forced to live them. Once you’ve joined them, cults will not easily let you leave or will completely shun you if you do. We let people leave the church if they want, and nobody forces them back. And when they leave we are taught to still love them and treat them with love. Cults also usually seclude themselves in communes or certain areas-we do not. Our members are worldwide and all races are welcome and members continue to live in their own countries and are allowed to live or move wherever they want.
I am LDS but not currently active, and haven’t been for about five years. Nobody came after me, tried to force me to come back, not has anyone shunned me. At most they’ve sent extremely occasional member or missionary to see if I was interested in coming back and when I said I wasn’t, they respected that. The ones that’s are the cult is the Flds who are an unapproved off shoot of the main church. And they definitely largely keep to themselves and often are shunned or kicked out for no reason.
No way dude
My parents were Mormon and I knew many Mormons growing up and they didn’t pimp me out or other kids were not pimped out by their parents. Lol
Maybe you have a different experience.
Her parents were just LOSERS. Plain and simple.
There’s plenty of non religious folk that pimp their kids out. Lol
Drug addicts to name one group
I agree with this. Having grown up alongside many LDS families, and in a different religious group that my own family belonged to, I have experienced this and seen it. Thank you for pointing it out. It can certainly be one of the toxic traits of organized religions.
I agree as well, having been born & raised LDS… my own 1st marriage story would be “unbelievable” to public. The church fosters “agreeableness”
& naivety especially in females. There’s never any talk of sex abuse or consent. My 1st husband conned my mother too, unfortunately.
Absolutely ignorant take that has no relevance to the situation at hand. I grew up LDS and experienced nothing like that. There was a guy that people knew liked younger girls and they stopped letting him come to the ward. Discipline is private so who knows what they did. LDS people are not ignorant and are no different then any other church. I know a Baptist preacher and he doesn't let his kids engage in Halloween, parties, or watch/read anything that has magic in it. No Hocus Pocus, no Harry Potter, no Fantasia or Sword in the Stone. I wouldn't call it conditioning from the Baptist cult.
It’s totally strange that the officials in the state for the first abduction didn’t also add rape to the charges-all in all the strangest story
They didn't because Jan had been warned by aliens against telling anyone of the sexual molestation, so she said nothing had happened.
E Marie, good evening how are you doing, how’s the pandemic situation over there?
Jan wasn't honest or honestly couldn't remember any s/a.
Her exam didn't show any evidence.
This was in the 1st incident.
She clearly states in the documentary on Netflix , that s/a was often by the time she turned 14if I remember correctly.
What horrible parents. They managed to abuse their daughter without ever being physically or mentally (from their own mouths) abusive. I wonder what happened to Robert's wife and kids. I think I saw a story of this on RUclips. The investigator went to Robert's RV and tried to interview him. He wasn't charismatic then.
The LDS church also played a role and they legitimized Robert and contributed to shaming and silencing his victims. Robert also weaponized the church’s and society’s homophobia to keep them quiet. 1970’s homophobia was no joke
Yes. Why haven't any of his family spoken? Doesn't he have 5 kids?
I must be low in agreeableness, I think every person in this story is crazy. (not diagnosing just speculating)
This story is unbelievable. I do not understand these parents? Most parents protect their daughters.
WTF is wrong with these people?! This poor girl's parents and everyone else failed her-the gullibility and naïveté just blows my goddamn mind!
Agreed. It's almost unbelievable.
One of the hardest balancing acts we must perform as adults - and especially as parents - is to teach our children to be cautious and prudent when it comes to protecting themselves from potential predators, but without destroying their innocence. In my sibling’s family, Mom teaches her kids about good vs bad touches, that her kids should not be asked to keep secrets from their parents, and that the kids have ultimate authority over their own bodies - they should never be compelled to show physical affection to anyone, including family members.
How can you find someone’s behavior disturbing yet still like them and trust them, especially when the disturbing behavior involves your child and you’re entrusting them with said child. I just don’t get it… 🤷🏻♀️
How can you find someone’s behavior disturbing yet still like and trust them?
The term Maladaptive Agreeableness sounds so harmless , but this is one of the most absurd and bizarre cases I have watched on this channel. In fact I almost did not watch this particular episode based on the title alone...Boy it will be hard to get this one out of my head for a while...the parents ought to be in prison in my opinion.....Thank you !
This particular case greatly disturbed me. I can’t help but feel an extreme anger towards the parents. In my mind, it wouldn’t be to much of a stretch to say the parents could have been charged with assisting a kidnapper and child abuser. It just so outrageous that any parent could allow their child to be kidnapped and raped. Beyond comprehension!
Bob provided “manual gratification” to Robert? I guess that involved a stick shift.
it was in the car the encounter took place LOL
Wow! This case always reminded me of my mom and how she let things happen, including me spending the night with adult males who drugged and abused me. There were a lot of other similarities, but basically, like the mom in Abducted in Plain Site, my mom was TOO AGREEABLE.
I’m sorry that happened to you
Robert’s “Fun Center,” has such an ominous tone to it.
@@Couscous77 😐😐😐 I mean, you’re not wrong. but that comment is so not right.
This story is still mind boggling every time I hear it! 🤦🏾♀️
These parents are crazy! And irresponsible, to say the least.
Mr. Broberg died around the time "Abducted in Plain Sight" was released. I agree, it was one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard, and I also wonder what kind of wrecks Bob's family members ended up being.
This case will never cease to sadden me. She was failed on so many levels
Dr. Grande can you make a video about the scammers from India? They call mostly the elderly and tell them that they have a virus on their computers, laptops, phones, etc. Because most elderly are not as savvy with the internet, these scammers made 50 billion dollars last year from Americans.
Good grief! Why weren’t the parents arrested?
Exactly! And then to co-author a book with the daughter you repeatedly neglected and capitalize on the situation again!?! Parents were in on it and need to be incarcerated. Period.
Unfortunately it's hard to get a conviction with complicit parents, and young victim also protecting the accused. The kid is confused and doesn't want to get the parents in trouble. So many secrets. The kids were better off when we haf frontier justice for these child molesters and sent a clear message. Consequences!
this was my mum growing up, she put me and my brothers at extreme danger and harm because of her need to please others. i'm still struggling with the consequences of it now but it has also made me very low in agreeableness
Robert: can I spend some time alone with your daughter Jan (specifically)??
Jan's parents: sounds abnormal!!. But who cares. You brought us food one day!!.
WTF. They are the most naive parents I have ever heard of.🤢
If that fruit basket had kumquats....maybe.
@@ren17x50 I nearly snorted food out my nose. 😂😂😂
Must have been a super duper fruit basket…
@@queenreg7 kumquats will do that I hear. Make you lose your ever loving mind
@@queenreg7 It seems so Regina😂😂..
People shouldn't take advantage of children but parents also shouldn't enable an environment for people to do that. Robert is a sick individual but her parents should be held to a higher standard. They put their child in harm's way. They failed her. You would think atleast ONE of her parents would have some sense for God's sake.
It's interesting how the parents had a bad feeling about this man yet really trusted him at the same time..
I agree.
It's like their faith and naivety allowed them to deny their own realities. It's really disgusting. 😓 Even if you were sheltered, you know what's right for your child and know that children aren't suppose to be with adult men. So gross how they excuse everything.
The manual stimulation job between Robert and Bob reminded me of a YT video I listened to of a David Fitzgerald talk on the history of the Mormonism. He stated that Utah, LDS central, has the highest incidence of blackmail for any state in the USA.
Not to mention the rates of CSA, IPV, p*rn usage, and psychiatric prescriptions.
@@larafields3106 In Jungian terms Mormonism of nice happy families etc could be a personality with the persona of all things nice and sweet and the above maladies being the poorly integrated shadow aspect. A lot like the personality of Joseph Smith in macro. We end up with evil when we go for purity.
What? I had never heard of this case before. I find it hard to believe the parents were so incredibly irresponsible! I’m sorry but their actions are just completely ridiculous. They weren’t just incompetent as parents they were criminally incompetent. If they couldn’t protect their children, the children should have been removed from their care. The courts also completely dropped the ball. This is just beyond belief.
You should watch the show “A Friend of The Family” on Peacock. It’s based on this case.
This is just what religion does to people. People who’ll believe self-contradictory nonsense that’s been repeatedly shown to be hateful, useless, and fictitious can be made to believe anything, easily. Because they’re obviously not intelligent enough to do any critical thinking or research into what they’ve been told.
“Oh, you’re a pedophile who’s therapy is to have sex with children? MAKES SENSE USE MINE.” They can’t tell fact from fiction because their entire reality is built around a fiction, so they just accept what they’re told as they’ve been conditioned to by their religious leaders who are also lying to them. And since they look in the faces of priests who are lying to them every week, and refuse to accept they’re being lied to, they can’t even understand what it looks like to be lied to because when you have a big greasy “duper’s delight” smile on your face from telling a big stinker of a lie, they don’t see a liar smiling at their lie, they see a priest smiling as they talk about their personal relationship with god.
I watched both Abducted in Plain Sight and the docudrama (that Jan helped create) Friend of the Family and I'm still blown away that the semi-fictional depiction of the events had to actually make the parents stand up to B because in reality they were so compliant
Yeah, I'm sure that part wap0tdpw difficult/'needed for Jan to write/agree upon being put in.
What the heck? My jaw is dropped. This guy had his way with the father, the mother and daughter? This is sick!!! And then he took his life? He missed out. Would’ve been a good book. I feel bad mostly for the daughter. What a wackyyyy world.
This was by far the most unbelievable documentary I've ever seen. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I watched it alone and yelled at the TV half the time 😄. Poor Jan. Her parents failed to protect her on every level for years.
I was wondering when you would cover this and as always, great analysis. Best channel on RUclips, hands down. 😊
I really enjoyed the explanation of how extremes in personality traits leads to maladaptive behavior. I’d love to see a video just on this concept!
@Kelly: you just did.❤
I was going about my life, when one day my friend insisted I pull this up on Netflix. (Damn you, Aimee.)
One car-ride with Robert & the dad later.. and I’ve never been the same. (I just kept hitting the pause button through this doc, saying, ‘what the HELL?!!’)
Some people are just gullible but you should never be so gullible to the point that you're willing to sacrifice your children in the process. Parents are supposed to protect their children from situations that they don't understand or can't protect themselves from.
Man, every single “responsible” adult in this story demonstrates a STAGGERING lack of any common sense or brain cells. Poor Jan. She was failed on every single level by everyone who should have been protecting her.
This is absolutely disgusting. The parents should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
Thanks again for your analysis of an extremely interesting and disturbing case, Dr. Grande. Frankly, the only victim here was Jan. She was too young to give legal consent to Robert and clearly too naive to question his actions. Her parents were old enough to know better but were too worried about Robert not liking them if they denied his requests. Ultimately, it is the parents who are responsible for p[roviding safety and security for their children. At this, the Brombergs failed miserably.
This is one of the most bizarre stories I have ever heard.
Sounds like what I almost went through in the eighth grade at the Seventh Day Adventist School. My teacher liked me a little to much. He would rub his hands through my hair and down my arms several times a day. My Mom found nothing wrong with that. My Dad and my Mom's Mom found the whole thing creepy. Finally this teacher booked a camp site in Rosita Beach, Mexico. My teacher what me to ride in van by himself. He called my Mom several times. Finally my Dad answered the phone called the teacher a pedophile and threatened to get the police if he didn't stop calling. I didn't want to go with him at all.
What ended up happening? Do you know if he had other victims?
@@sarah2.017 , I have no idea. I did research his name in Google and found out he was principal at a Seventh Day Adventist School in Florida. I wanted to go to the Academy, but God decided I needed braces. Thank goodness I returned to public school. Braces in the early and mid 70s were expensive and ugly. But I needed them.
Glad your dad stood up for you
@@elizabethwarman9028 good evening how are you doing, how’s the pandemic situation over there?
@@austinconnor8510 , I Austin, well here in Los Angeles County we still have to wear masks when visiting doctor offices or getting Physical therapy. I have had two COVID-19 Vaccines, will get my third in December. Along with the COVID-19 Vaccine I will also be getting a Shingles Vaccine. If you had Chicken Pox as a child, you have a 98%chance of getting Shingles.
Have a great Tuesday.
Ocean! It’s been a long time. This case was unbelievable! The parents were just insane. I blame them. How dumb can you be? They all needed mental health care.🤠💕
Who is ocean?
@@amchristie8894 Dr Grande talks about it in the video, watch his analysis at the end
The thing that bothered me most about the documentary is that there is little to no mention that B had a whole family of his own. I have a hard time believing that her parents were so naive. They were both getting it from B so maybe they chose to ignore a lot of red flags. Even if there weren't as mich information about predators at the time, you can bet most parents would want anything to do with someone that claimed their doctor wanted them to share a bed with a young girl. Allegedly B tried the same thing with other familiar and they didn't want anything to do with h because they knew he was a weirdo.
Yes!! He definetly had instances with previous families. The ones he had been in contact with before he moved to their town. His brother said he had a history even as a child of being into younger children, being into family members, friends of family, etc.
It's disturbing how the brother and so many others let this man get away with his abuse for so long.
B's wife had to have known and it almost seemed she was complicit. That's what I want to know more about.
I had to replay the part starting at 3:00 several times in order to wrap my head around how Robert had everyone in that family doing tricks for him. Calling him "charismatic" may be the understatement of 2022!
Aw hell no. Are these folks out of their minds?!?
Dr. Grande, you made so many excellent points regarding the trait agreeableness. Even though this case portrays maladaptive agreeableness, I tend to think that slightly higher levels of agreeableness is also not desirable. Assertiveness is important in so many domains. Personally, I am high in agreeableness and that has cost me a lot in life. Over time, I have developed some assertiveness but that is always a logical decision, which takes a lot of effort.
Outstanding review as usual! Thank you.❤
Same!!!! I’ve always verb highly agreeable and it’s exhausting and has put me in danger more than once. My husband is low in agreeability and while he’s one of the kindest individuals I know, he has boundaries and isn’t easily swayed. I admire that about him and am working to bring out more of my “shadow self” - the one that has boundaries and protects them.
It is too bad that the nice people of this world have to be careful not to be taken advantage of!
@@bthomson And we so often are.
I’d like to think that most ppl are good, but I always have to be sure that my boundaries and critical thinking are intact. Those who take advantage of kind, generous ppl deserve a particularly nasty comeuppance.
@@katiefrankie6 That’s so true. I think maintaining boundaries is the only way to be protected against such people.
@@rejaneoliveira5019 My sister told me, “‘No’ is a complete sentence.” There’s no need to say “No, but-“ and explain or justify yourself to someone else. All they need to hear is “No” and accept it, not try to wear us down. Women especially are often too agreeable for our own good and we don’t need to explain away or justify our boundaries.
It is almost like he used part of the storyline of The Greatest American Hero for keeping Jan around.
I remember watching this documentary and thinking that the parents were extremely passive and also very dependent on Robert.
The whole case is so bizarre it is hard to believe at times.
This is the first time I remember anyone talking about maladaptive agreeableness, that is something to think about.
As usual, another excellent explanation and analysis.
I agree, the parents NEVER protected their daughter. Thanks for covering this. I'm so happy my parents were the direct opposite of Jan's parents.
This is the most twisted story I've ever heard!
Obviously Robert was very sick, but I blame the parents so much more as this all could have been avoided. So sad
Your RUclips channel actually has helped me a lot with filing a lawsuit against my spravato psychiatrist who committed many instances of malpractice, many of which happened over email.
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Reminds me of the Duggars. I live in Mormon country and I could totally see this happening with the over bearing agreeableness LOL! Fabulous people but not always glued to the Earth.
This is just the craziest story I have ever heard. Truly crazy people posing as upstanding families. It is just beyond my imagination that any father would do this
Oh, this case! Thank you, Dr. Grande.
I think the parents were dangerously naïve with a few screws loose!
At the 'manual gratification' part, I thought I misunderstood and turned on the captions.
Dr. Grande, do you think high agreeableness would fall into the realm of codependency? I agree highly that being highly agreeable is not always agreeable for everyone in a situation. I’ve always been more on the skeptical side myself. For me, Schmooze is a rank odor, detectable from miles away! 😵💫 Oh, and did I hear motion on the OCEAN?! 🌊 😛
That's why they call them predators they know exactly how to do it and what they're doing
Disgusting...i hate when parents put other people over their children ...those are sick individuals themselves...its so painful for the kids ...
I’m stunned after watching this! I’m thinking surely this can’t be true - it’s just unbelievable!
Apparently, these parents couldn’t control themselves and the children paid the price!
This is one of the most wild stories I have ever heard, and because I watch this channel, that's saying a lot.
That is the most bizarre & twisted crime story I have ever heard.
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First time I've heard of this, so I only have this video to go on. What I'm wondering is is it possible that the parents simply claimed that they were too trusting and naive in order to get out of the consequences? Again, I haven't seen the documentary or any other mention of this case, so not sure how convincing the parents were. Did it seem like they were genuinely this trusting?
I still didn't get why Jan's parents didn't call the police right away after the first time she went missing? Even if they thought that Robert was a saint, SOMEONE ELSE could have kidnapped Jan as well as Robert, or even done worse to one or both of them. Or Jan and Robert got into a car accident and were lying injured and dying in a ditch somewhere. Or some other emergency could have happened.
Overly-agreeableness is a dangerous characteristic. I need to ponder this more
The LDS culture fosters this level of gullibility. I knew Jan, and as a former Mormon I have seen the terrible consequences of extreme agreeableness in the lives of members. Mormons are taught to be agreeable. Most people believe them to be very nice, and they are. But this story illustrates how devastating agreeableness and naïveté can be. This is also why Utah is MLM capital of the world.
The LDS community has connection, agreeableness, naïveté. This sets up a perfect storm for predators and victims.
The situation with the dad.....wow! I was shocked when I watched his interview on the documentary. WTF! 😱
He was Seriously Diabolical!! Scary as hell!!
Shocking. In Australia Jan would have been removed from her parents and placed in care after the first ‘kidnapping’. In my State the other children of the couple would have been removed as well due to inability to protect from emotional physical and sexual abuse. I really don’t understand how this could happen.
The series in called "A Friend of the Family". Excellent!
The best explanation for the parents trustingness I’ve ever heard.
Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
This sounds very similar to the whole Michael Jackson thing where parents were just like "Sure we will let our underage children spend extended unsupervised time alone (and sleep in his bed) with this man we barely know who also happens to have a carnival in his backyard."
Howard Stern called them "Pimp ass parents."
No one slept in MJs bed. His room also had two floors
Those parents were only interested in money. If MJ was like Robert, the parents still would have said yes. Some parents are awful.
@@rileywiley268 it's people like you that would allow your children to spend the night there alone.
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Oh, this is a great one. I watched the documentary twice. What a world! Thanks, Grande. Let’s do this!
You work so hard for all of us ! Lots of love from the UK 🇬🇧 💜
Gracious. I am shaking my head. Thanks doc.
Very very good work . I had other ideas about this documentary so I'm very glad I watched this video xxxxxxxxxxxx
This is my favorite RUclips channel. Thank you Dr Grande
I have read absolutely everything about this case and I don’t know how you found a way to report on all of the highlights in less than 30 minutes but bravo doctor