@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ the first time I watched this, after it was over, I watched it again. Another REALLY good one is Interstellar as well as Birdman. Check those out if you haven’t. Talk about some SERIOUS acting. Also interstellar makes me cry every-time.
1. In the beginning Keller told his son not to go near “that house”. That’s because that’s where Alex Jones was kidnapped. 2.Also probably the reason why Alex was there in the first place. Maybe he faintly remembers something about that location. 3. The lady that kept watching the film of the little boy, that was Alex’s real mom. 4.Also, in the picture of Hollys husband, you can see the RV in the back. This movie was filled with so many little details.
@@susien9883 he said he never came back because he meant Holly's husband did not come back because the priest kidnapped him after learning he was a killer.
I just got done watching this movie. Absolutely incredible movie and I’m kicking myself for watching it almost 10 years later. I’m honestly lost for words.
What i would love to know is if Loki would have solved the case without Keller interfering. Because the only reason he went to Holly's house was to tell her they found Alex who was kidnaped and beaten by Keller, thus seeing the labirinth pendant on her husband's picture and making the connection to the abductor in the priest's basement, thus finding Anna and saving her.
It's also about the realistic flaws of people who are usually portrayed as super human... the stressed out detective with a twitch and no back story, the drunken murdering priest, the father becoming a torturer to an innocent person, the other parents who don't do the right thing and tell the police about the kidnapping, the mother on tranquilizers instead of staying alert to find her daughter... everyone is flawed but they all bundle through somehow... it's an interesting portrayal of realism (in a similar sort of way to manchester by the sea which i also saw recently)
@@antithoughtpolice7497just the one, really, where he says he was in and out of boys homes and implies he was abused by the priests who raised him. That explains why he doesn't come from a family. His boss advises him to find a woman and start a family and he responds with pretty much no interest and that's all that's really said of why he hasn't made a family and seems to be unattached. When we first see him talking to the waitress, I found it hard to surmise whether he was flirting or just being friendly. Clearly once the plot got going he had more important things to focus on, but if he was flirting with the waitress then that indicates he's pretty much a regular single guy. If not I feel like it might indicate that romance doesn't interest him either because of his past (implicitly sexual) trauma, he's married to his work, or both. His tattoos and Freemason ring also imply a bit about his backstory. I really like the decision to only sprinkle in hints about his backstory.
@@Bluhbluh566and all of the details like his tattoos, his eye twitch, his mysterious past with just little hints...all was added by Jake. He completely disappears into his characters.
@@valmacclinchy yes, he's one of my favourite actors for sure! Apparently he watched countless hours of police interrogation footage to prepare for the role, and I think that's evident in how he is with Alex/ Barry, how he stands very close to him and even occasionally lightly touches him. He didn't overdo it like so many cop characters in interrogation scenes. He played it smart, a manipulative cop rather than just a stern one, and I love that decision 💓
I was thinking a possibility why Keller was still alive at the end was due to the concoction Holly made him drink. If it’s designed to sedate or basically “incapacitate” its victims it’s probably doing so by lowering their blood pressure. In this case it may have inadvertently slowed down the bleeding in Keller’s leg, keeping him from bleeding out.
He literally has to, it’s the lamest ambiguous ending because it’s not, they should’ve just don’t a quick whistle blow and a quick flash of Loki turning around then cut to credits. Then I think you could make the case maybe he turns back around and ignore it, but he clearly hears the whistle and no doubt investigated the matter further and found Keller. Movie should’ve either completed the story or made it a real ambiguous ending, definitely the biggest weak spot of the movie was the rather poorly thought out ending.
@@imnotsmartbutimdumb It's ambiguous and a great ending for a number of reasons. The symbolism of the movie is mazes, and it's spent mostly lost it one. Onto my points 1.) Loki complains several times when the other cops half ass their job, like when they weren't watching Alex, and the forensics half assed their job by not investigating under the wooden cover. 2.) The way Loki lingers is indicative of his character: he has a hard time letting go. 3.) We don't see what happens to Keller, that much is ambiguous. He tortured somebody, he's going to jail. What's ambiguous is "happy" the family reunion would be.
To be fair…if I was in hugh Jack man’s shoes and I saw the suspect strangle a dog for fun and then sing the song his daughter was singing I’d do the same thing
At 3:17 you got it wrong because the book is important for the audience as a symbol. Taylor who escaped made that book with the last maze not having a way out (as mentioned by the other detective) which symbolizes the ending for the victims not havinga way out even after solving the mazes. And even for him who escaped but its still trapped.
OHHHH SHIIIT that’s why he’s obsessed with that maze, though he physically escaped he’s traumatized and mentally hasn’t escaped because he’s still trying to solve the unsolveable maze!!! Since the conditions for the release were to solve all the mazes. Good catch
Loki pointing out the little girl found her whistle and her mom's like nope, we had to get her a new one so you know absolutely that he hears that whistle and saves Keller 100% case solve rate. Absolute masterpiece but it makes me so miserable lol
100% The crazy thing about him in TWWB is he was only originally cast only as Paul, not Eli. The other actor was cut last minute so PTA turned them into twins and Dano learned the dialogue on the fly
Also such small details. Like when Hugh Jackmen's wife says he likes to sing in the shower!! So glad I've found this on RUclips, I just love film so much
this was the movie that made me a fan of JG. i’ve since watched every other movie he’s in on netflix and unfortunately he’s just not often used to his full potential like Denie did in this film. this was Jake at his max
I personally believe he might have been talking about the other young man. He also said he just wanted to play in that scene and I believe he was under the impression he was going to have a friend but that boy escaped as well
He says he's not Alex, and we learn that he is Barry, the kid that went missing in the same spot 26 years ago. My guess, the real Alex Jones is the one that died of cancer that Holly mentions
I wonder why alex took so long to give info to keller about his daughter even after getting beat up pretty bad. I guess he must be really scared of holly more than keller huh?
Alex’s inability to communicate is due to his lack of social development. He was kidnapped as a child, never got an education and as an adult has the IQ of a 10 year old. He doesn’t know how to interact with people, imagine he’s literally just a little uneducated child in an adult body. And I’m sure he was also very afraid of not just Keller but also afraid of his “aunt” Holly.
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ i was wondering why he never talked thanks for the info but i still dont know why he was so silent he didnt even while they were torturing him!
@@niko931 that's what real trauma looks like. Your brain shuts off. It's like trying to have a conversation while submerged in ice cold water. You want to talk but you simply can't, no matter how much pain you're in or how much you want to do it. Especially in Alex's case because he was most likely conditioned not to talk so that he wouldn't give Holly and her husband away even as an adult
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ wasnt Alex actually another victim of the Jones’? I thought they revealed quickly that Alex was one of the kids that went missing and was groomed
Just rewatched this for the 2nd time after a few yrs. 1st time I watched it I was absolutely blown away. One of my favourite watches in recent yrs. One of the things I've been looking for is a kind of analysis/deeper look/things you missed RUclips video breaking down some of the stories and motives of the characters. This is the closest to that, great video guys! I still didn't realise what Bob Taylor's motives & story was until watching this vid. You've got yourself a new subscriber!
If you also notice the priest had the same sort of pit set up that holly had at the house and that’s where the husband was left just like what he would do to the kids
I wish I could watch this movie again for the first time...the acting and the visuals are top tier...and the ending is one of the bests Alex's creepiness in the beginning making us think he really did something...one thing I didn't understand was why Taylor shot himself and what alex meant when he said i waited there but he never came
Raiders Of The Lost Podcast they filmed it in case viewers at test screenings felt it wasn’t enough. But Yeah the ending and the film in general was perfect.
I’m still confused about the snakes. There’s a scene where Holly tells either Loki or Keller about how Alex has a fear of snakes. I have two theories. Theory one is that Bob Taylor is still under the control of Holly, that he is doing all that weird stuff to throw detectives off the scent for a while or to confuse them. The snakes in the boxes, could be to stop Alex from going in them and giving them away to the police, maybe he is not as trusted because of his mental age. Theory two, is that the snakes are clue to the audience to suggest that the people who kidnapped Bob Taylor, were in fact Holly and her husband, because of how Holly mentions Alex’s fear of snakes in an earlier scene, because if like you said, if Bob Taylor is still mentally stuck in the time he was kidnapped, then maybe he knew about Alex’s fear of snakes and included them in his antics - which suggests he was kidnapped whilst Alex was there, giving it away quite clearly.
the maze represents finding enlightenment in the center. many reigous symbols have this. the snake is symbolic for evil power and is representative of capturing innocence.
I’m like 90% sure bob taylor is just a copy cat fantasy killer. A mentally ill person living a fantasy of killing kids but not actually doing anything bad.
I love the ending we got but what I thought would have been a beautiful ending is if Loki lifts the cover off of the pit and we see the bloody, trembling hand of Dover reaching out towards Loki. Then Loki grasps Dover’s hand, and we see his other hand slowly come down to place a handcuff on Dover, and the movie ends. In a poetic way, Loki knows that Dover was just a concerned and frightened dad, so he saves him, but his obsessive sense of Justice calls him to immediately place him under arrest and bring him to a hospital.
the fact that Keller even had a little torch on him is also about his preparedness. he would never find the whistle in the pitch black. how many people who don't have their phones, have a mini torch on them?
new fan of this movie. so glad i found this explanation. im not good at figuring things out in movies and this explanation tied everything together for me.
this is my favorite podcast! I remember watching this movie by myself and getting so hyped that I watched it two more times. The symbolism is so insane that every time you watch it you find more hidden messeges.
what didnt make sense to me is that everyone thought keller ran away, but his truck would have still been close to the aunts house right? even if she drove off with it after trapping keller it still could have been found right?
most likely she hid it in the woods. Besides, the detective went to her house only a couple of days later, so not enough time for the police to find it
There are multiple instances in the film where we never know how much time has passed. Most films like these include an hour or day counter to emphasize how much time has passed during an event, but this film intentionally leaves that out. Holly also could've simply dumped the truck deep in the forest or into a lake. After all, she was able to kidnap and bury kids in her front yard for years before anyone noticing. Also it's not like anyone knew that Dover was gonna be at Holly's house or anywhere near there
The police and CSI would have to be very crazy not to move that car in their first search and check under it - so there are holes in the plot regarding police work...
But wouldn’t the cell phone of a missing person (keller) be going off like crazy in the sink? 🤔 and you gotta assume they searched the house before they started in the yard.
I just wish there was an alternate version of the ending where Kellar could speak with both Loki and his daughter! 2nd best movie of all time in my opinion to Shawshank Redemption. Crazy how this movie is still underrated to this day.
Because he's terrified. She's not really his aunt and kidnapped him as a child. He doesn't know how to communicate with people. No education. Imagine being kidnapped and held prisoner for 20 years, what that would do to your psyche.
The only thing that got me confuse is that the first rescued girl (joy, maybe) pointed out that Keller was there ( i thought Keller was the kidnapper😅) then i realise, she said that because Keller visited Hollys house just to talk to her about alex missing! Got me realy confuse there! But what a relief!
Just so you know. If you’re ever shot and the bullet is still inside, you can leave it there. In fact you should leave it there. It’s way more dangerous to shove something dirty inside a wound and cause further damage.
It just doesn't make sense to me how Alex supposedly has the mental capabilities of a 10-year-old but is also able to think fast enough to break a window and defend himself with a piece of the glass when held captive? If that was really a man with a 10-year-old's mental age he would 1) not be brave enough to do such a thing and 2) not have developed the consequence or impact thinking that comes with such a decision, in my opinion. I remember seeing that scene and thinking "oh yeah, he's a lot brighter than he's letting on"
Yeah 'cause ten year olds have no idea about sharp objects or fighting back when they're being beaten down mercilessly, right? Being socially/mentally stunted has nothing to do with trying to fight back or being "brave"
My theory is that he has an alter-ego. His real self that aged and is a grown man, and the child state that was from when he was kidnapped. It comes out in some weird moments! To help him survive the torture and fear
This video answered most of my questions, especially those pertaining to bob taylors character. The ones that linger are: Was the priest a sex offender?? That feels obvious given the plot but I just don’t understand why the priest would have kidnapped/killed Holly’s husband. I also wondered about Loki’s twitch, but I love someone’s comment in here that explains it shows one of the many imperfections of all characters shown. I also wish I understood the overall motive behind the abductions. Besides s*xual ab*se I just don’t see what else there could have been, including the little puzzles.
Yes, the priest was a sex offender and Loki was checking in on him. Holly's husband was giving a confession to the Priest and he said that he would kidnap again, so the priest probably killed him to prevent more abductions. The motive for the abductions was their war with God because of how they lost their own son to cancer after being very religious. It was their way of getting back at God for losing their son.
Just adding to the great comment from drewton540 - yea she told Keller that her and her husband abduct kids to wage a war with God because of the affects it has on the family, “it turns them into demons on Earth”. Which, it definitely did turn Keller into his version of a demon. Basically, they did it to drive the families insane, aka multiplying the number of demons on Earth, as a way to get revenge on God.
@@Michelle-dg1qn "heavens prisoners" she is exerting power over their lifes and when they "go to heaven". So defying their normal destiny/gods plan by disrupting their life and then ending it when she sees fit. Getting back the control she lost when her son died from cancer/gods plan.
SOMEONE please tell me that scene where the cop was following Keller when he got alcohol, but he didn’t go to the store and went away from the store …. WHERE WAS HE GOING?
i think they were hinting at keller being former military. the basement being so orderly, the ammo crates, i think they were big hints. also his willingness to torture “alex” that would take a lot of resolve and if he had combat experiences that could explain the drive to what needed to be done, as well as the knowledge to stay alive down in the pit. you could also hint that he was an alcoholic due to ptsd but that could be reaching.
Or he’s just a driven man that preps for when things go awry. Also torturing someone you know is involved in your daughters kidnapping is nothing. Frankly I think they kept it soft so the movie didn’t become torture porn lol, cause in reality I think it would get much much worse.
@@imnotsmartbutimdumb torturing the dude wasn’t just “nothing” it had an impact on keller as well as the other characters in the story. most people wouldn’t have gone as far as he did. that’s literally one of the key points of the movie. has nothing to do with them “not making it torture porn” lmao.
I watched this movie yesterday for the first time (I had no idea about it before) and omg best movie I ever watched but besides the point, I managed to work out who it was really early. I knew it wasn’t Alex, though I was confused when he said “they only cried when I left” I started reconsidering whether he was the abductor or not. But that statement he said makes sense at one point in the movie when you find out he was also abducted by Holly . I knew it wasn’t Taylor aswell. don’t know why, but I knew. The aunt wasn’t a suspect straight away I think that’s why I made me think it was her. Also I picked up every detail. Like the maze necklace on the corpse, and the priest talking about how the man killed 16 children, and how the aunt said her husband died it all just added up.
Wow... just when I thought I mostly understood the film, you both really cleared some things up that I had wondered about, thinking they were loose ends, or brought to light certain connections I didn't notice until now. Thank you for this explanation!! I host a film podcast myself and tomorrow I will be recording an episode on the collaborations between Denis Villeneuve & Jake Gyllenhaal and this video really helped! I will definitely give a shout out to this podcast and will take your word that Prisoners is even better the second time... like you both acknowledged, it's an intense film so it will probably be a little while until my second watch 😂
Great video! I might be missing something obvious but how did the red whistle get into the pit in the first place? Do we assume Joy and Anna found the whistle before being abducted by Alex, and then Anna dropped it in the pit whilst Holly was hiding them from the police?
Remember when Loki comments “I see she found her red whistle” and mom says something like “she keeps insisting joy helped her find it but I think she’s confused”- so yes, they made it to the house & found the whistle before Alex took them.
Thank you for this video. It genuinely helped me figure some stuff out. But sheesh did this movie give me so much anxiety, I was struggling trying to finish it and pick at every detail. 😭
Help! Does anyone know what was the article in the computer, that Loki read, that was mentioning a prison guard who commited suicide and had a wife (called Mary?) and a teenage son? I am so confused 🤔🙈
That was an article about Kellers father. Kellers dad killed himself in that run down apartment building. This is supposed to symbolize the trauma that Keller was never able to process.
Wait what? I thought Alex is supposed to be Taylor, and Taylor supposed to be Alex? That is the plot of the story. Remember when he being tortured by Keller in the bathroom he clearly said "im not Alex". And remember when Loki said to his friend that Taylor got abducted as a kid and being drug with LSD/ketamin until it messed up with his mind and don't even remember being abducted, doesn't that implified that is why he had 10 y/o IQ? Alex supposed to be Taylor, and Taylor supposed to be Alex. But i could be wrong?
Alex and Bob Taylor are different people, both kidnapped as children. Bob Taylor is the guy with all the snakes on his home and children’s clothes. Bob was released. Alex wasn’t. Completely different people
"Alex" is Barry, the son of the woman Loki interviews earlier on in the film. She watches a video of Barry on VHS. He was abducted 26 years prior and she never got any answers. Loki questions her because her son was abducted from the front yard of the abandoned house *where the RV was parked at the start of the movie* 😳😳😳. So "Alex" either consciously or subconsciously returned to his childhood home. Crazy right. He's the first child they abduct and he mentally stayed a child probably due to trauma. (I think Holly was lying about the snake incident, although he may actually have a fear of snakes as he is mentally still a child). He gets reunited with his mum at the end of the film. Taylor was a different person who was abducted as a child. He escaped after 3 weeks but due to being drugged he never remembered the identity of his abductors. He had all the snakes and children's clothes because I think he was either trying to work through or recreate his childhood trauma
The part that I don't get is who Alex is really. At one point Barry says "I'm not Alex. I was waiting for him. I just wanted to play." Which means he was waiting for Alex when he was abducted. Was Alex Holly's son or nephew or someone else entirely? Idk
I’m still confused, how does Alex know about the maze in the scene where he said something about it to Keller? When he said “They’re in the maze”. And how does Bob Taylor’s mazes connect to Holly and her husbands mazes? We’re they in on it together ?
I am a bit confused. Was the aunt actually kidnapping children, then torturing them, keeping them captive and eventually murdering them? What was the reason she was doing so? Please explain.
Holly and her (ex)husband were angry at God because they had lost their own son (due to cancer?) and were very religious. So they went crazy, wanted revenge... And they wanted people to lose faith and hurt. But I still dont understand why they drugged the children first and waited to kill them...
It was because her son died due to cancer at a very young age, and with her husband, they started to kidnap other children because of the pain, and they wanted to feel that pain for the other parents as well. I think you need to rewatch the movie.
You guys should play movie scenes while talking about the movie.... I can't imagine this format is going to cause people to tune in the entire time, when it's you guys watching the movie on a laptop while talking. But other than that, the breakdowns, sound and the way you can actually continue a breakdown of a movie, without dragging it on, is good and didn't once get boring. Would be a good podcast on Spotify, but just doesn't seem like a RUclips one. Sorry for the criticism though, I hope it doesn't come off as disrespectful
There's something i still don't understand. Why did bob Taylor steal the girls' clothes and smeared them with pig blood and kept them in crates with snakes? Do the snakes symbolize something?? Was he fantasizing about being the abductor due to the trauma he faced as a kid when he was kidnapped by holly jones??
I think the drug she injected the kids with contained snake poison... yes, he was trying to be an abductor imitator somehow, and this was confirmed by the forensic to the detective
It symbolises an anti evil ritual. He thinks he's helping. And he keeps writing mazes because when he was kidnapped he was given a maze book and told if you solve all these mazes you'll be free but the mazes are all unsolvable so it drives him insane
Kellers doomsday paranoia mindset is what got him in that hole in the first place lmao Keller is a clown he had no trust in Loki and believed him incompetent when in reality Keller made the situation worse and actually ends up losing his family since he’s now going to prison
yeah, well, if the girls were in the basement or in the pit, how did they see who is visiting the old woman? And if the children's hands and feet were not tied up, why didn't they took off tapes from the mouth?
I really needed a video like this to better understand the story because I was lost. As far as it being an adrenaline rush so to speak though, not near as much as Kidnap. Now that movie kept me on the edge of my seat. No doubt Prisoners was suspenseful but not heart racing.
Just watched this movie with my daughter last night. Our eyes were glued to the screen the whole movie! I remember watching it when it first came out but forgot how good it was.
I just watched this movie. So good! But was it explained why Joy said Keller was the one who put tape over their mouths when she was in the hospital? Did I miss that part?
Joy says "you were there" because Holly kept the kids tied and drugged in the house, and she probably heard him talking when he visited Holly the first time. Also, she says "it" put tape on our mouths. This was Holly, but obviously if Joy had said "she" or "he" put tape on our mouths, it would've been a huge giveaway and Dennis wanted to keep this part ambiguous as long as possible
Loki realized Keller's down there but the ending leaves open the possibility that he'll leave him down there. No one else will know, since only Loki heard the whistle. Maybe Loki believes he deserves to die down there for torturing Alex.
Nah no way. Can tell he’s been sympathetic to Keller the whole movie. And all his whole schtik is that he’s never not solved a case. After he saved anna the only unanswered is Keller being gone. He found anna and Keller and Alex and joy..everyone..
We all are stuck in this movie’s plot somehow. 😂 No matter how many times I watch, someone figures something new and then I need to go back and watch it again😅😅
I always assumed that Holly's husband would put the kids in boxes with snakes and leave them locked in there, and that's why Bob put the snakes in his own boxes. (but with bloodied children's clothes instead of children.) He's re-living his trauma through the perspective of one of his kidnappers. It's hard to hear and I don't remember exactly what was said, but Alex whispers something after the shower torture that made me come to that conclusion. I assumed Alex had been put in one of the boxes as well, and that part of the reason he 'has the mind of a ten year old' is because Holly and her husband gave him too much of the drug and it resulted in severe brain damage. I feel like snakes were mentioned in the start as well but that could be me misremembering.
Good movie but the police made me so frustrated. I don’t understand why they didn’t search the aunt’s house extensively. It makes no sense. I also thought Loki was pretty incompetent. Aside from the driving scene I didn’t feel like he was doing anything useful. Like he stumbles upon everything.
Huh????? He was extremely competent. That’s like the entire point. They mentioned how he’s solved every case he’s been on. Both girls makes it back safe…he finds Alex alive and is reunited with his birth mom…and he been finds Keller in the end. He always solves the case.
SPOILERS Two question: why did huge Jackman run away from the hospital after joy said something at the hospital? Also what is the maze have to do with the location of the kids
The amount of anxiety this movie gives me even thinking about it is insane. One of the greatest thrillers ever made
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It really is. Especially with headphones on in the dark
@@greenblackswerl 100%
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ the first time I watched this, after it was over, I watched it again. Another REALLY good one is Interstellar as well as Birdman. Check those out if you haven’t. Talk about some SERIOUS acting. Also interstellar makes me cry every-time.
@@greenblackswerl for sure!
1. In the beginning Keller told his son not to go near “that house”. That’s because that’s where Alex Jones was kidnapped.
2.Also probably the reason why Alex was there in the first place. Maybe he faintly remembers something about that location.
3. The lady that kept watching the film of the little boy, that was Alex’s real mom.
4.Also, in the picture of Hollys husband, you can see the RV in the back.
This movie was filled with so many little details.
Great comment!
Also why he told Keller "I'm not Alex.... I waited for him but he never came.... I just wanted to play"
@@susien9883 the movie tells you that the boy who went missing 26 years ago was named barry wich is actually alex after getting kidnapped
@@susien9883 he said he never came back because he meant Holly's husband did not come back because the priest kidnapped him after learning he was a killer.
@@pinaattikeitto3961 wait, thats the guy the priest killed? Goddamn I just watched this movie for the first time and it blew my mind
I rewatched this yesterday, I would love to see detective Loki in another movie.
Would be cool!
I agree. He’s just so cool in this movie. Jake is incredible
The movie Zodiac.
He’s in spider man right
@@troyedwards877 yes, as mysterio
I just got done watching this movie. Absolutely incredible movie and I’m kicking myself for watching it almost 10 years later. I’m honestly lost for words.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Same!!! Just now so good
What i would love to know is if Loki would have solved the case without Keller interfering. Because the only reason he went to Holly's house was to tell her they found Alex who was kidnaped and beaten by Keller, thus seeing the labirinth pendant on her husband's picture and making the connection to the abductor in the priest's basement, thus finding Anna and saving her.
He would've solved it. He has a perfect record. Det. Loki is such a great character.
So was Brad one of the victims escaped?? Is that why he knew the maze pattern?
Loki also knew a whistle was still missing because Grace told him she had to get Anna a new one.
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It's also about the realistic flaws of people who are usually portrayed as super human... the stressed out detective with a twitch and no back story, the drunken murdering priest, the father becoming a torturer to an innocent person, the other parents who don't do the right thing and tell the police about the kidnapping, the mother on tranquilizers instead of staying alert to find her daughter... everyone is flawed but they all bundle through somehow... it's an interesting portrayal of realism (in a similar sort of way to manchester by the sea which i also saw recently)
👏👏 well said
Actually, Loki tells several tidbits of his backstory through the movie.
@@antithoughtpolice7497just the one, really, where he says he was in and out of boys homes and implies he was abused by the priests who raised him. That explains why he doesn't come from a family. His boss advises him to find a woman and start a family and he responds with pretty much no interest and that's all that's really said of why he hasn't made a family and seems to be unattached. When we first see him talking to the waitress, I found it hard to surmise whether he was flirting or just being friendly. Clearly once the plot got going he had more important things to focus on, but if he was flirting with the waitress then that indicates he's pretty much a regular single guy. If not I feel like it might indicate that romance doesn't interest him either because of his past (implicitly sexual) trauma, he's married to his work, or both. His tattoos and Freemason ring also imply a bit about his backstory. I really like the decision to only sprinkle in hints about his backstory.
@@Bluhbluh566and all of the details like his tattoos, his eye twitch, his mysterious past with just little hints...all was added by Jake. He completely disappears into his characters.
@@valmacclinchy yes, he's one of my favourite actors for sure! Apparently he watched countless hours of police interrogation footage to prepare for the role, and I think that's evident in how he is with Alex/ Barry, how he stands very close to him and even occasionally lightly touches him. He didn't overdo it like so many cop characters in interrogation scenes. He played it smart, a manipulative cop rather than just a stern one, and I love that decision 💓
All the characters in the film are so well developed. I love this film
I was thinking a possibility why Keller was still alive at the end was due to the concoction Holly made him drink. If it’s designed to sedate or basically “incapacitate” its victims it’s probably doing so by lowering their blood pressure. In this case it may have inadvertently slowed down the bleeding in Keller’s leg, keeping him from bleeding out.
I totally think he survives at the end
He literally has to, it’s the lamest ambiguous ending because it’s not, they should’ve just don’t a quick whistle blow and a quick flash of Loki turning around then cut to credits. Then I think you could make the case maybe he turns back around and ignore it, but he clearly hears the whistle and no doubt investigated the matter further and found Keller. Movie should’ve either completed the story or made it a real ambiguous ending, definitely the biggest weak spot of the movie was the rather poorly thought out ending.
@@imnotsmartbutimdumb It's ambiguous and a great ending for a number of reasons. The symbolism of the movie is mazes, and it's spent mostly lost it one. Onto my points
1.) Loki complains several times when the other cops half ass their job, like when they weren't watching Alex, and the forensics half assed their job by not investigating under the wooden cover.
2.) The way Loki lingers is indicative of his character: he has a hard time letting go.
3.) We don't see what happens to Keller, that much is ambiguous. He tortured somebody, he's going to jail. What's ambiguous is "happy" the family reunion would be.
he whistles in the end, what could be more obvious
i mean bro was preparing to something in his basement i bet he could stop bleeding and survive
To be fair…if I was in hugh Jack man’s shoes and I saw the suspect strangle a dog for fun and then sing the song his daughter was singing I’d do the same thing
This is also a movie I need to watch again.
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@@Chimpmanboom I definitely would. No joke.
No you wouldn’t
That scene of cruelty to the dog was totally unnecessary and offensive to all us animal lovers. Liked the movie but this totally turned me off.
At 3:17 you got it wrong because the book is important for the audience as a symbol. Taylor who escaped made that book with the last maze not having a way out (as mentioned by the other detective) which symbolizes the ending for the victims not havinga way out even after solving the mazes. And even for him who escaped but its still trapped.
OHHHH SHIIIT that’s why he’s obsessed with that maze, though he physically escaped he’s traumatized and mentally hasn’t escaped because he’s still trying to solve the unsolveable maze!!! Since the conditions for the release were to solve all the mazes. Good catch
Loki pointing out the little girl found her whistle and her mom's like nope, we had to get her a new one so you know absolutely that he hears that whistle and saves Keller 100% case solve rate. Absolute masterpiece but it makes me so miserable lol
This is such an intense movie but one of my favorites . Everything is just so well done
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Paul Dano, one of the most underrated actors of his time. He had to slap Daniel Day-Lewis so hard in There will be blood. Such an amazing actor
100% The crazy thing about him in TWWB is he was only originally cast only as Paul, not Eli. The other actor was cut last minute so PTA turned them into twins and Dano learned the dialogue on the fly
Also such small details. Like when Hugh Jackmen's wife says he likes to sing in the shower!!
So glad I've found this on RUclips, I just love film so much
Paul as Brian Wilson in the Love and Mercy. I'm really looking forward to his take on the riddler
@@olivelgemmell7251 Can't wait for that!
@@olivelgemmell7251 that is such a good movie, never knew his story was so intense
The crazy thing is that Alex knew about the maze and didn't said anything back in the time, only after Keller torture him he said it.
I still believe that Alex is the one who abducted the girls and took them to Holly, he’s not so innocent
this was the movie that made me a fan of JG. i’ve since watched every other movie he’s in on netflix and unfortunately he’s just not often used to his full potential like Denie did in this film. this was Jake at his max
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"Enemy" is also top notch
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nightcrawler!
Also Jarhead, Nocturnal Animals, and The Covenant...Jake is just so versatile.
Alex from this movie being casted as the ridler in the new batman movie was perfect casting
This movie was so good. When I finished it, I literally sat there for like 5 minutes trying to comprehend what I just watched.
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Right 😂 same!
I don’t understand why Alex said “He never came” when he was tortured
@@kinetic-cybernetic but why was Alex waiting for Holly's husband??
I personally believe he might have been talking about the other young man. He also said he just wanted to play in that scene and I believe he was under the impression he was going to have a friend but that boy escaped as well
He says he's not Alex, and we learn that he is Barry, the kid that went missing in the same spot 26 years ago. My guess, the real Alex Jones is the one that died of cancer that Holly mentions
I wonder why alex took so long to give info to keller about his daughter even after getting beat up pretty bad. I guess he must be really scared of holly more than keller huh?
Alex’s inability to communicate is due to his lack of social development. He was kidnapped as a child, never got an education and as an adult has the IQ of a 10 year old. He doesn’t know how to interact with people, imagine he’s literally just a little uneducated child in an adult body. And I’m sure he was also very afraid of not just Keller but also afraid of his “aunt” Holly.
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ i was wondering why he never talked thanks for the info but i still dont know why he was so silent he didnt even while they were torturing him!
@@niko931 that's what real trauma looks like. Your brain shuts off. It's like trying to have a conversation while submerged in ice cold water. You want to talk but you simply can't, no matter how much pain you're in or how much you want to do it. Especially in Alex's case because he was most likely conditioned not to talk so that he wouldn't give Holly and her husband away even as an adult
@@anonymousR7 I see thanks, that’s so dark and depressive Imagine how many children been through similar case like that
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ wasnt Alex actually another victim of the Jones’? I thought they revealed quickly that Alex was one of the kids that went missing and was groomed
Just rewatched this for the 2nd time after a few yrs. 1st time I watched it I was absolutely blown away. One of my favourite watches in recent yrs. One of the things I've been looking for is a kind of analysis/deeper look/things you missed RUclips video breaking down some of the stories and motives of the characters. This is the closest to that, great video guys! I still didn't realise what Bob Taylor's motives & story was until watching this vid. You've got yourself a new subscriber!
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If you also notice the priest had the same sort of pit set up that holly had at the house and that’s where the husband was left just like what he would do to the kids
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I wish I could watch this movie again for the first time...the acting and the visuals are top tier...and the ending is one of the bests
Alex's creepiness in the beginning making us think he really did something...one thing I didn't understand was why Taylor shot himself and what alex meant when he said i waited there but he never came
There was a deleted scene where Loki found Keller.
I don't think they filmed it did they? Thought it was just the original script. either way, the ending is perfect
Raiders Of The Lost Podcast they filmed it in case viewers at test screenings felt it wasn’t enough. But Yeah the ending and the film in general was perfect.
@@bldrnnrrr so is it available to see??
I’m still confused about the snakes. There’s a scene where Holly tells either Loki or Keller about how Alex has a fear of snakes. I have two theories. Theory one is that Bob Taylor is still under the control of Holly, that he is doing all that weird stuff to throw detectives off the scent for a while or to confuse them. The snakes in the boxes, could be to stop Alex from going in them and giving them away to the police, maybe he is not as trusted because of his mental age. Theory two, is that the snakes are clue to the audience to suggest that the people who kidnapped Bob Taylor, were in fact Holly and her husband, because of how Holly mentions Alex’s fear of snakes in an earlier scene, because if like you said, if Bob Taylor is still mentally stuck in the time he was kidnapped, then maybe he knew about Alex’s fear of snakes and included them in his antics - which suggests he was kidnapped whilst Alex was there, giving it away quite clearly.
I think it’s definitely a clue that he was kidnapped as a kid
I know they used snake venom in the poison.
it was used for poisoning the kids
the maze represents finding enlightenment in the center. many reigous symbols have this. the snake is symbolic for evil power and is representative of capturing innocence.
I’m like 90% sure bob taylor is just a copy cat fantasy killer. A mentally ill person living a fantasy of killing kids but not actually doing anything bad.
I love the ending we got but what I thought would have been a beautiful ending is if Loki lifts the cover off of the pit and we see the bloody, trembling hand of Dover reaching out towards Loki. Then Loki grasps Dover’s hand, and we see his other hand slowly come down to place a handcuff on Dover, and the movie ends. In a poetic way, Loki knows that Dover was just a concerned and frightened dad, so he saves him, but his obsessive sense of Justice calls him to immediately place him under arrest and bring him to a hospital.
the fact that Keller even had a little torch on him is also about his preparedness. he would never find the whistle in the pitch black. how many people who don't have their phones, have a mini torch on them?
new fan of this movie. so glad i found this explanation. im not good at figuring things out in movies and this explanation tied everything together for me.
Honestly, I’ve found better explanations. This one is missing quite a bit
this is my favorite podcast! I remember watching this movie by myself and getting so hyped that I watched it two more times. The symbolism is so insane that every time you watch it you find more hidden messeges.
Thanks Byrdee!!!!! We love anything Denis Villenveue and Jake do
Loved it the first time I watched it, but loved it more after the second watch because I was able to pick up on a ton of details I had missed.
Same!
Just watched this movie for the second time. Y'all explained this good.
Glad you enjoyed it!
what didnt make sense to me is that everyone thought keller ran away, but his truck would have still been close to the aunts house right? even if she drove off with it after trapping keller it still could have been found right?
most likely she hid it in the woods. Besides, the detective went to her house only a couple of days later, so not enough time for the police to find it
There are multiple instances in the film where we never know how much time has passed. Most films like these include an hour or day counter to emphasize how much time has passed during an event, but this film intentionally leaves that out. Holly also could've simply dumped the truck deep in the forest or into a lake. After all, she was able to kidnap and bury kids in her front yard for years before anyone noticing. Also it's not like anyone knew that Dover was gonna be at Holly's house or anywhere near there
The police and CSI would have to be very crazy not to move that car in their first search and check under it - so there are holes in the plot regarding police work...
But wouldn’t the cell phone of a missing person (keller) be going off like crazy in the sink? 🤔 and you gotta assume they searched the house before they started in the yard.
I doubt that phone works, I’m sure she ran water down there and even used the disposal
Thanks for clearing things up! I had a really hard time connecting the dots with a couple of things.
No problem!
So Alex affectively frames himself lol, at least momentarily 🤣
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Great in-depth explanation/analysis guys!
Much appreciated!
I just wish there was an alternate version of the ending where Kellar could speak with both Loki and his daughter!
2nd best movie of all time in my opinion to Shawshank Redemption. Crazy how this movie is still underrated to this day.
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I just don't get why Alex didn't tell them about his aunt
Because he's terrified. She's not really his aunt and kidnapped him as a child. He doesn't know how to communicate with people. No education. Imagine being kidnapped and held prisoner for 20 years, what that would do to your psyche.
This movie left me speechless
We still think about it
It's truly an amazing movie. I feel like I just ran a marathon.
But in the end the whistle ? They ended it …. They should of showed where he got rescued
It's open to interpretation.
Imo he was found.
Very original, totally engrossing, great acting done in a world only some might feel comfortable in 👍
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You know Keller survived that pit somehow. His whole thing is that he’s a prepper and wants to be prepared for the worst
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So you think he was definitely found alive???
@@trawlins396 I think so yeah!
@@trawlins396 Who do you think whistled the ghost 💀😂
Thanks for the video, actually covered all the scenes I wanted to talk about.
Glad you enjoyed! We made a full episode, feel free to check it out on all platforms!
Well done guys. You answered my questions I was searching for that others did not.
Thanks!
The guy in the picture frame could be the guys dad, he left, they keep the photo in memory and they keep his trailer as if he is still there, maybe ?
Possibly
The only thing that got me confuse is that the first rescued girl (joy, maybe) pointed out that Keller was there ( i thought Keller was the kidnapper😅) then i realise, she said that because Keller visited Hollys house just to talk to her about alex missing! Got me realy confuse there! But what a relief!
The suspense build up in the kitchen scene reminded me of a tartinto movie. Great movie
just watched this after seeing the hammer scene so many times. this is the best review yet
Thanks!
Just so you know. If you’re ever shot and the bullet is still inside, you can leave it there. In fact you should leave it there. It’s way more dangerous to shove something dirty inside a wound and cause further damage.
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It's on Netflix right now
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This movie was amazing Loki was a badass Keller is a father we can all relate too I wouldn’t have done anything differently
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It just doesn't make sense to me how Alex supposedly has the mental capabilities of a 10-year-old but is also able to think fast enough to break a window and defend himself with a piece of the glass when held captive? If that was really a man with a 10-year-old's mental age he would 1) not be brave enough to do such a thing and 2) not have developed the consequence or impact thinking that comes with such a decision, in my opinion. I remember seeing that scene and thinking "oh yeah, he's a lot brighter than he's letting on"
Survival instincts no? Fight or flight
Yeah 'cause ten year olds have no idea about sharp objects or fighting back when they're being beaten down mercilessly, right? Being socially/mentally stunted has nothing to do with trying to fight back or being "brave"
AND how can he drive.... that is also kind of strange to me.
My theory is that he has an alter-ego. His real self that aged and is a grown man, and the child state that was from when he was kidnapped. It comes out in some weird moments! To help him survive the torture and fear
He likes kids. Lying for his mom.
Did anyone feel the movie was a little Sawesque in with the pigs head and blood and Alex being trapped and tortured like in the Saw bathroom?
This video answered most of my questions, especially those pertaining to bob taylors character. The ones that linger are:
Was the priest a sex offender?? That feels obvious given the plot but I just don’t understand why the priest would have kidnapped/killed Holly’s husband.
I also wondered about Loki’s twitch, but I love someone’s comment in here that explains it shows one of the many imperfections of all characters shown.
I also wish I understood the overall motive behind the abductions. Besides s*xual ab*se I just don’t see what else there could have been, including the little puzzles.
Yes, the priest was a sex offender and Loki was checking in on him. Holly's husband was giving a confession to the Priest and he said that he would kidnap again, so the priest probably killed him to prevent more abductions.
The motive for the abductions was their war with God because of how they lost their own son to cancer after being very religious. It was their way of getting back at God for losing their son.
Just adding to the great comment from drewton540 - yea she told Keller that her and her husband abduct kids to wage a war with God because of the affects it has on the family, “it turns them into demons on Earth”. Which, it definitely did turn Keller into his version of a demon. Basically, they did it to drive the families insane, aka multiplying the number of demons on Earth, as a way to get revenge on God.
@@drewton540 Can you explain to me why she drugged and poison the kids, why wait to kill them?
@@Michelle-dg1qn "heavens prisoners" she is exerting power over their lifes and when they "go to heaven". So defying their normal destiny/gods plan by disrupting their life and then ending it when she sees fit. Getting back the control she lost when her son died from cancer/gods plan.
@@lightblade543 Aha okay, I see! Thank you!
11 out of 10 breakdown y’all did such a great job
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7:58 look at this photograph.
this movie is FANTASTIC. Every scene is so intense and provides value to the plot. I never blinked
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SOMEONE please tell me that scene where the cop was following Keller when he got alcohol, but he didn’t go to the store and went away from the store …. WHERE WAS HE GOING?
His apartment building is right next door to the liquor store
This movie blew my mind.
Same!
i think they were hinting at keller being former military. the basement being so orderly, the ammo crates, i think they were big hints. also his willingness to torture “alex” that would take a lot of resolve and if he had combat experiences that could explain the drive to what needed to be done, as well as the knowledge to stay alive down in the pit. you could also hint that he was an alcoholic due to ptsd but that could be reaching.
Or he’s just a driven man that preps for when things go awry. Also torturing someone you know is involved in your daughters kidnapping is nothing. Frankly I think they kept it soft so the movie didn’t become torture porn lol, cause in reality I think it would get much much worse.
This could be veryyyy likely. Good catch fr
@@imnotsmartbutimdumb torturing the dude wasn’t just “nothing” it had an impact on keller as well as the other characters in the story. most people wouldn’t have gone as far as he did. that’s literally one of the key points of the movie. has nothing to do with them “not making it torture porn” lmao.
I watched this movie yesterday for the first time (I had no idea about it before) and omg best movie I ever watched but besides the point, I managed to work out who it was really early. I knew it wasn’t Alex, though I was confused when he said “they only cried when I left” I started reconsidering whether he was the abductor or not. But that statement he said makes sense at one point in the movie when you find out he was also abducted by Holly . I knew it wasn’t Taylor aswell. don’t know why, but I knew. The aunt wasn’t a suspect straight away I think that’s why I made me think it was her. Also I picked up every detail. Like the maze necklace on the corpse, and the priest talking about how the man killed 16 children, and how the aunt said her husband died it all just added up.
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the aunt didn’t say that her husband died .. She never knew he was dead, she only said he disappeared
What a great movie. I'm glad you guys break this down as I was clueless
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I just got this movie and watched it for the first time last week. then watched it again the other day. what an amazing fucking movie
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It really is.
Wow... just when I thought I mostly understood the film, you both really cleared some things up that I had wondered about, thinking they were loose ends, or brought to light certain connections I didn't notice until now. Thank you for this explanation!! I host a film podcast myself and tomorrow I will be recording an episode on the collaborations between Denis Villeneuve & Jake Gyllenhaal and this video really helped! I will definitely give a shout out to this podcast and will take your word that Prisoners is even better the second time... like you both acknowledged, it's an intense film so it will probably be a little while until my second watch 😂
@@elizabeth.wildes happy to help!
Great video! I might be missing something obvious but how did the red whistle get into the pit in the first place? Do we assume Joy and Anna found the whistle before being abducted by Alex, and then Anna dropped it in the pit whilst Holly was hiding them from the police?
So the girls had it when they were abducted and put in the pit!
Remember when Loki comments “I see she found her red whistle” and mom says something like “she keeps insisting joy helped her find it but I think she’s confused”- so yes, they made it to the house & found the whistle before Alex took them.
I love this review. I needed it right after the movie. Xo.
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Thank you for this video. It genuinely helped me figure some stuff out. But sheesh did this movie give me so much anxiety, I was struggling trying to finish it and pick at every detail. 😭
Glad you liked it! 🤣
but how did the whistle came into the tip where Keller was thrown in??
It was already there because the girls had it when they were out there earlier
They got kidnapped before they made it back to joys house. They found the toy but never made it back to the other parents house
Help! Does anyone know what was the article in the computer, that Loki read, that was mentioning a prison guard who commited suicide and had a wife (called Mary?) and a teenage son?
I am so confused 🤔🙈
Not sure!
That was an article about Kellers father. Kellers dad killed himself in that run down apartment building. This is supposed to symbolize the trauma that Keller was never able to process.
@@Jayblazey and that’s why he never renovated the building and also said earlier in the movie “we’re not moving into that building”🤯
Does anybody know why Alex tried to choke the dog when keller was watching him?
He’s a messed up kid. He’s never had control his whole life as a prisoner. This is an opportunity to have control over another living being
Wait what? I thought Alex is supposed to be Taylor, and Taylor supposed to be Alex? That is the plot of the story. Remember when he being tortured by Keller in the bathroom he clearly said "im not Alex". And remember when Loki said to his friend that Taylor got abducted as a kid and being drug with LSD/ketamin until it messed up with his mind and don't even remember being abducted, doesn't that implified that is why he had 10 y/o IQ? Alex supposed to be Taylor, and Taylor supposed to be Alex. But i could be wrong?
Alex and Bob Taylor are different people, both kidnapped as children. Bob Taylor is the guy with all the snakes on his home and children’s clothes. Bob was released. Alex wasn’t. Completely different people
"Alex" is Barry, the son of the woman Loki interviews earlier on in the film. She watches a video of Barry on VHS. He was abducted 26 years prior and she never got any answers. Loki questions her because her son was abducted from the front yard of the abandoned house *where the RV was parked at the start of the movie* 😳😳😳. So "Alex" either consciously or subconsciously returned to his childhood home. Crazy right. He's the first child they abduct and he mentally stayed a child probably due to trauma. (I think Holly was lying about the snake incident, although he may actually have a fear of snakes as he is mentally still a child). He gets reunited with his mum at the end of the film.
Taylor was a different person who was abducted as a child. He escaped after 3 weeks but due to being drugged he never remembered the identity of his abductors. He had all the snakes and children's clothes because I think he was either trying to work through or recreate his childhood trauma
The part that I don't get is who Alex is really. At one point Barry says "I'm not Alex. I was waiting for him. I just wanted to play." Which means he was waiting for Alex when he was abducted. Was Alex Holly's son or nephew or someone else entirely? Idk
@@susien9883 oh that’s a good theory. We just assumed that holly gave Barry a new name.
@@susien9883 right. Alex is Barry.
I’m still confused, how does Alex know about the maze in the scene where he said something about it to Keller? When he said “They’re in the maze”. And how does Bob Taylor’s mazes connect to Holly and her husbands mazes? We’re they in on it together ?
Bob Taylor was one kid they abducted but escaped!
I am a bit confused. Was the aunt actually kidnapping children, then torturing them, keeping them captive and eventually murdering them? What was the reason she was doing so? Please explain.
Because she’s crazy 🤣
Did you not watch the movie?
waging war with God
Holly and her (ex)husband were angry at God because they had lost their own son (due to cancer?) and were very religious. So they went crazy, wanted revenge... And they wanted people to lose faith and hurt.
But I still dont understand why they drugged the children first and waited to kill them...
It was because her son died due to cancer at a very young age, and with her husband, they started to kidnap other children because of the pain, and they wanted to feel that pain for the other parents as well. I think you need to rewatch the movie.
Damn you guys are concise af!
RV in the back of the picture to when loki looks at the picture, also the 2nd time he saw that picture
What a coincidence i just saw this movie today
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Why did the little girl say to keller that he covered their mouths? Was she confused by the rain jacket?
You guys should play movie scenes while talking about the movie.... I can't imagine this format is going to cause people to tune in the entire time, when it's you guys watching the movie on a laptop while talking. But other than that, the breakdowns, sound and the way you can actually continue a breakdown of a movie, without dragging it on, is good and didn't once get boring. Would be a good podcast on Spotify, but just doesn't seem like a RUclips one. Sorry for the criticism though, I hope it doesn't come off as disrespectful
Appreciate the input! This is a very old episode, our new episodes have footage from movies now, check them out! 👍
There's something i still don't understand. Why did bob Taylor steal the girls' clothes and smeared them with pig blood and kept them in crates with snakes?
Do the snakes symbolize something?? Was he fantasizing about being the abductor due to the trauma he faced as a kid when he was kidnapped by holly jones??
I think the drug she injected the kids with contained snake poison... yes, he was trying to be an abductor imitator somehow, and this was confirmed by the forensic to the detective
It symbolises an anti evil ritual. He thinks he's helping. And he keeps writing mazes because when he was kidnapped he was given a maze book and told if you solve all these mazes you'll be free but the mazes are all unsolvable so it drives him insane
Kellers doomsday paranoia mindset is what got him in that hole in the first place lmao Keller is a clown he had no trust in Loki and believed him incompetent when in reality Keller made the situation worse and actually ends up losing his family since he’s now going to prison
Keeler was a man. He was soft and was fd over it. Everyone's an enemy, h if that was how he acted he'd have got it single handedly.
Hollys the worst grandma ever
I bet she can't even cook. Crappy aunt
Re watched this and I saw loads things I missed lol 😆
This movie gave me anxiety
Big time
I need to know why the first first little girl who got rescued said ‘but you were there’ to the other girls dad in the hospital???????!!
Because Keller was in the house talking to the woman earlier
yeah, well, if the girls were in the basement or in the pit, how did they see who is visiting the old woman? And if the children's hands and feet were not tied up, why didn't they took off tapes from the mouth?
@@wilderness239 they were put in the house at that time, and they were drugged up
I really needed a video like this to better understand the story because I was lost. As far as it being an adrenaline rush so to speak though, not near as much as Kidnap. Now that movie kept me on the edge of my seat. No doubt Prisoners was suspenseful but not heart racing.
We did a two hour breakdown too!
Yes, I found it, thanks.
Just watched this movie with my daughter last night. Our eyes were glued to the screen the whole movie! I remember watching it when it first came out but forgot how good it was.
It’s such an underrated film 👏🏻
I just watched this movie. So good! But was it explained why Joy said Keller was the one who put tape over their mouths when she was in the hospital? Did I miss that part?
No she just saw him there and from the drugs got mixed up
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ Oh ok. Thanks 👍🏾
Joy says "you were there" because Holly kept the kids tied and drugged in the house, and she probably heard him talking when he visited Holly the first time. Also, she says "it" put tape on our mouths. This was Holly, but obviously if Joy had said "she" or "he" put tape on our mouths, it would've been a huge giveaway and Dennis wanted to keep this part ambiguous as long as possible
One of my favorite movies!
Same bud! 🙌
This is a nice review:) am impressed was detailed
Thanks!
Somehow after 2 viewings I still didn't quite pick up on the fact that Bob Taylor was an escaped captive.
A good amount of people still get confused on that 🫡
The aunt said she forgot about Bob. He was just mental from being kidnapped yrs ago.
Loki realized Keller's down there but the ending leaves open the possibility that he'll leave him down there. No one else will know, since only Loki heard the whistle. Maybe Loki believes he deserves to die down there for torturing Alex.
Great point!
Nah no way. Can tell he’s been sympathetic to Keller the whole movie. And all his whole schtik is that he’s never not solved a case. After he saved anna the only unanswered is Keller being gone. He found anna and Keller and Alex and joy..everyone..
Bro what are you saying 💀 Loki went down there when he heard the whistle and saved Keller. This was confirmed by the directors.
Jones. Purple laced drink. Weird.
My boy Loki is wicked smawt
We all are stuck in this movie’s plot somehow. 😂 No matter how many times I watch, someone figures something new and then I need to go back and watch it again😅😅
if you look closely there’s a snake on the drawing book😵
Whoah!!
So what about the snakes? The guy had snakes in those boxes and then later dead snakes were found in the backyard of the woman.
I always assumed that Holly's husband would put the kids in boxes with snakes and leave them locked in there, and that's why Bob put the snakes in his own boxes. (but with bloodied children's clothes instead of children.) He's re-living his trauma through the perspective of one of his kidnappers. It's hard to hear and I don't remember exactly what was said, but Alex whispers something after the shower torture that made me come to that conclusion. I assumed Alex had been put in one of the boxes as well, and that part of the reason he 'has the mind of a ten year old' is because Holly and her husband gave him too much of the drug and it resulted in severe brain damage. I feel like snakes were mentioned in the start as well but that could be me misremembering.
@@shakeriddleandroll939 if only there was a way to put words on-screen while watching a movie that match what the characters are saying
@@anonymousR7 Yes i'm aware. I said I couldn't remember the exact words, not that I didn't hear them at all.
He’s stuck in the trip
@@shakeriddleandroll939 youre right. Her husband collected snakes.
Recommendations for movies like this one ?
Se7en, Gone Girl, The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
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Good movie but the police made me so frustrated. I don’t understand why they didn’t search the aunt’s house extensively. It makes no sense. I also thought Loki was pretty incompetent. Aside from the driving scene I didn’t feel like he was doing anything useful. Like he stumbles upon everything.
Good points
Huh????? He was extremely competent. That’s like the entire point. They mentioned how he’s solved every case he’s been on. Both girls makes it back safe…he finds Alex alive and is reunited with his birth mom…and he been finds Keller in the end. He always solves the case.
True. He did kind of discover everything by accident.
@@Chimpmanboom true. But all of the BIG pieces he finds by accident. Even the maze connection.
He was dedicated and paid attention. I dont like cops but he was well invested on the case and thats what counts
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Two question: why did huge Jackman run away from the hospital after joy said something at the hospital?
Also what is the maze have to do with the location of the kids
Hugh ran off because he figured out where his daughter was being kept
The kidnappers made the kids they held captive solve mazes
Wtf I needed to see him find him