Searching For Better Floating Shelf Hardware
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
- In this video, I explore a new hardware type for installing floating selves. Is it more DIY-friendly, is it stronger, do I like it? Is this the best floating shelf hardware out there?
Shelf hardware sourced from Hovr
hovrbracketsystem.com/
While this is not a sponsored video, Hovr did provide the bracket for me to test free of charge,
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Great Option. Thanks for sharing
This tutorial is awesome, thank you.
Gorgeous shelf and looks like a great system to hang it! Love the bowties and crack. You always do such beautiful work!
Thanks!
Thanks for this video! I have had alot of issues delivering to clients only to have them destroy the project. This is a much better system to deliver to a client self install situation. I'm going to go to this system for all my deliverable projects.
So far so good
Awesome system and even better craftmanship
I love a touch of shade in woodworking videos😜
Lol
pretty sweet!
Awesome video!
Dear b firth. In North America we are restricted to studs location (16inch on center). Still a 18 (46 cm) inch bracket is enough to make a 36 (ca 90 cm) inch long shelf. In Europe it may even be less, since you have solid walls and can have a screw (attachment to the wall) every 3-4 (8 - 10 cm) inches. Hope this helps.
so good
Those are by far my favorite drill and driver!
Nice work Brian. Seems a shame to Bowtie and then mount the shelf too high to see them..... Also be careful about dropping all your shims in from above - this is putting a downward tilt onto the backplate. Gravity already works in this direction - there would be merit to shim coming up from underneath.....Just sayin'.
Have a bunch of live-edge off cuts that would make beautiful "floating" shelves but the real problem is they are usually about 3/4 - 7/8" thick which falls short of the required minimum of 1" for these "concealed" bracket/hardware techniques. I have ripped 1-1 1/2" slices from back side of my pieces to attach onto wall with screw-type attachments and then, in turn, used dowels to attach remaining shelf piece to the wall piece. Works well for weight bearing under, say, 15-20 lbs.
1/2 inch threaded rod. Mark a level line in the centre of where the shelf would be on the wall. Drill a slightly undersized hole directly into the centre of each stud about 3 inches in. Cut threaded rod to suitable length. Put the threaded rod into the actual chuck of your drill, and drive it directly into the stud. Once all are in you can knock the threaded rod sticking out from the wall left/right or up/down to make sure each is sticking out level/square.
Measure centres of each rod and transfer to back of shelf, drill slightly oversized hole in back of shelf and then slide it onto the rods. Usually the threads grab the shelf enough to use no glue, if needed you can add abit of glue. Works fantastic, super strong
Sounds like a great solution, but I don't think I will implement it on shelves that I have to ship and clients install.
You didn't watch the video did you. The whole reason he is using this system is to make it an easier install for potential clients.... 🤔
Man that looks awesome I just wish they had a 1" and 5/8" brackets
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This video has convinced me to give this hardware a go since I have a client whose made a request for this exact thing.
Too bad there's not a simple solution for scribing the shelves to the walls.
Great idea on floating shelve, love the sleek look of the wood shelve but bow ties distract the whole look should of not crack the beautiful natural looking wood.
Like the t-shirt!
So I guess the main point about these cleats is that ideally the back edge of the shelf should be quite straight and go onto a pretty straight wall as it's much harder to scribe to the wall than with bolts.
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“And since I’m not a savage” Ha! Loved that truth!
Yes! That was an awesome comment! It would be savage to use your saw! Yes it will do it, but that's just savage!😂
On something that long I might make the bracket that goes on the wall 10-12" shorter and give them holes every 2-3" so they just have to find the holes closest to the studs.
Another great video, thank you!
Your router jig looks awesome. Do you have a video on how you built it?
I built that before RUclips was a thing, maybe I'll do a version 2 in the future
@@Benham_Design That would be great!
I bought this system after seeing your video and it works great my only complaint is that for the 8 foot long rail it was $150 Canadian dollars ( ouch) without the hardware kit
Thank you for this highly detailed tutorial! We are about to install an extensive set of Hovr shelves that will wrap continuously around both inside and outside wall corners. In construction phase, we took extreme care to flatten the walls and also installed continuous horizontal blocking, so we will not be limited to stud locations when mounting the male extrusion to the wall and hopefully will avoid the need for any but the slightest shimming. To keep the face edges of adjoining shelves aligned at corner joints, we plan to use Dominos and therefore will need to slide one shelf laterally to engage the Domino mortise after having mounted the shelves but BEFORE tightening set screws. Longest shelf is about 4'. Should we expect that a few mallet blows should be capable of sliding the shelf sideways, provided that we allow sufficient lateral clearance at the sides of the extrusions and mortises?
BTW, Bondhus screw driver would be useful for tightening the set screws so tightly cramped to the wall.
Yeah, I think so, as long as you have the bracket and dado size with the right amount of play, you should be able to tap the miter tight
@@Benham_Design Thanks! We'll confirm with tests fits before final install. Sounds like it should work out just fine.
Used this shelf system on two jobs and I thought it was well worth the price
Great video. Just a note shimming should be done with two shims, one from each side. This prevents twisting of the aluminum wall channel.
Thanks, I don't think I would put shims from underneath. They could fall out with seasonal movement. Also if you are distorting or tipping the bracket in anyway, I think you would be over shiming. The purpose of the shims is to take up the space if the wall is not straight, so when you tighten down the screws you are not sucking the bracket to the wall causing distortion.
So again if you are seeing the bracket get pushed out of shape or tipping the shelf out of level, I think you would be using the shims incorrectly. That would be the same practice as anything you shim. Doors windows whatever
Looks like a nice bracket and should work well for short shelves, but what happens when a client tries to install it on a long shelf with a wall that has a bow in the middle?
They would shim it in the middle just like I shimmed this long shelf on the end
Wow, those brackets are pricey! $25 per foot!! I wonder if you need the bracket the whole length of the shelf, or if you could do 3-4" every 18" or so. Seems very strong, so that may be a way to keep the insane cost down.
They have a break down on their website for what size you need for the size of shelf you are making. As far as price goes, I guess that's all I'm perspective. I work in million dollar homes, so to my clients the price is negligible, but if you're building a more modest home, I could see that might be a deterrent.
@@Benham_Design If you're doing something in your own home, and it's your own money you're spending, that's yet another difference. We're not all rich, some have to plan out the money we spend, others don't.
@@Benham_Designin my experience if someone is commissioning a custom floating shelf they most likely won’t be the ones installing it. The utility seems great but also seems like a vastly unnecessary cost compared to some other solutions already mentioned. My favorite method for hanging floating shelves is actually a hybrid of some comments, where the holes in the shelf for the rods are pre drilled to fit a piece of 1/8” flat steel with rods attached. There’s cutout in the back of the shelf to hide the bracket and is much easier to install given the bracket doesn’t have to be completely flat
Nice video. Awesome idea, but the price is unreal. $170.00 for an 8 foot aluminum bracket I think is a little too steep.
It's all in perspective I guess
This is great for if you want it to hold decorative items nothing more.
I called Captain Obvious and he agreed with your assessment.
For the set screws do they have to go in the bottom or would they on the top so that if you are doing a high shelf they would be hidden
Unfortunately they only work on the underside. However, they are small enough that they are not really that visible being on the back edge. You could also plug the holes with a dowel if you want to, that would help disguise the screw holes
More likely to see the bottom of the shelf though, no? Anyway, that track is a great solution!
I suppose that Depends on how high you mount it.
thanks for video!!!wowww cost $169 is more than buyinng one already made
I guess Not everyone can afford or appreciate quality.
I see wonky walls making the French cleat line up as the aluminum bends to the wall.
Edit…
Okay you mentioned shims!
😂, thanks for editing your comment!
This is a great idea, Brian. The mount has always been a difficult issue.
idk, seems like a lot more work. got a video on installing the first option? i just need a cheap storage solution that looks good enough for the wife.
If you need a cheap soluion you are not on the right channel. Here is a vidoe I did using a different method but it is probably just as much work and more risky to possiblly drill crooked. ruclips.net/video/fJ_Ldix8qF8/видео.html
A great product and a great video. Very well done and through. However, I think you’re in a tough spot with your product as both installs are above most DIY capabilities…IMO!
Have you considered sending out your product with the idea of using the original attachment equipment but prior to sending it out, you pre-drill a series of hole for the client. Of course knowing that they will have a limited option of exact location that they’d like to install it. Or contacting them prior to drilling the holes and they locate and send you the stud locations? My guess you’ve already tried that route and it didn’t work out.
Since I posted this video, everyone says it's too expensive, or too complicated. But because of this video I have sold more floating shelves in the last year than I have in the 14 years I've been in business. 🤷♂️
Very cool! Keep it up brother. I learned a lot from your video. I think I’ll try to make a version of that router jig you used. @@Benham_Design
What kind of routing bit to cut into wood like that?
Any plunge bit will do
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Where do you buy the aluminum braket ??
Link is in the description
Great video, but wow expensive. $200.00 for four 2 foot pieces. not counting the hardware kits. Looks good though!
Wow, that seems like massive overkill. And very expensive. In the UK that bracket costs £80 ($100US). You rarely see stud walls over here so you could easily pre-drill the holes in the shelf for the customer. I’m no expert but I thought virtually all US studs were 16 inches on centre and if they are not, the customer could tell you. I thought that routing the channel was a lot of work and I was disappointed to see that fixings were visible underneath the shelf. Amazon have excellent brackets (Gas N Pow3r Concealed bracket) that cost £9 for four and my granny could fit them. There is no problem with stud width either. Also, the need for shims is clearly a negative and totally unnecessary with normal brackets. Your shelves are great and these comments are no reflection on your work. My comments relate to the bracket system only and not to your lovely looking shelves.
If you pre drill the holes and the client wants to move it over 3" then the holes wont be in the right place.
One persons overkill is another persons attention to detail and quality of work.
@@Benham_Design if you would kindly read my comments again, you will see that my comments referred to the bracket system and not the quality of his work, or his attention to detail. I specifically pointed this out at the end of the post.
Yes, I did read that, and that does change the fact that you started your comment with "WOW, massive overkill". I was simply responding to your comment as is. I did not take it as an attack on my craftsmanship but more as a complement that, I go above and beyond for my clients.
Brian-
You have a video on mortising jig to inlay the aluminum strut.
-JoJo
Sorry, no, I made that thing before RUclips was invented. It's basically a piece of plastic with a slot on each end so a 1/4" bolt can slide in it, with a router bolted to the center.
For DIY the routed out pocket is next to impossible.
I’ve put up a few shelves using this system. I would have to say that a person with limited skill would not be able use this system. You will need to have a higher degree of skill to install theses - especially adjusting for a wavy wall and scribing to the wall which means that you need to install the bracket that much deeper.
It's been quite some time since I posted this video and have shipped a few shelves set up with this system to clients with basic DIY skills, and all have been able to install them successfully.
I believe that you will have such a great house made of wood especially to you in heaven.. great job and I do learn alote of things from you my dear.. from Baghdad with love
Walls can and usually are very judgemental!😁
If walls could talk, man we'd never hear the end of it,,😂
I can't believe you made a crack so that you can put in bow ties.... It's like breaking a leg so you can wear a cast. lol
I had a vision 😂🤷♂️
I was was all in with until the phony crack thing. What a waste. That is like the guys that take beautiful guitars and relic them. Thanks for vid.
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Great video if your shelves are at least 2" thick...if not, totally useless.
Your comment comes across in a very negative light. Like if you drive a diesel truck gasoline would be useless for your truck. You buy the right type of fuel for the type of engine you have. Same thing here, you buy the right type of hardware for the type of shelf you are hanging.
If this is not the right hardware no need to get your tighty whiteies in a bunch, just buy the right hardware for what you need.
I can INTRAPOLATE with the best of them. A guy who likes bowtie cutting wow
Just turn the bracket sideways and both screws will be in the stud.
Then the bracket will be wider than the shelf is thick and be seen. I don't think I could get my clients to buy off on that
I'm worried about sheetrock walls that are wavy.
That was the once challenge I had as my wall was fairly wavy. However, using shims made it work, and work well.
½" all-thread is the absolute best. The bracket you showed at the beginning is relying on a small ¼" long set screw holding the plate to the pole. Simply thing to do. Drill a ½" hole in the center of a stud in the wall, do this as often across the span as needed. Put 2 nuts on the end of the all-thread and hammer it some of the way into the hole. After that, start turning the all-thread into the hole using a wrench on the furthermost outward nut(the inner one stops it from turning) Once you're bottomed out, remove the nuts. Repeat as needed. Now you place the shelf flat to the wall on top of the all thread and move the shelf to the location you want it. Mark the all-thread locations. Drill a ½" hole in the shelf deep enough for the protruding rods. Slide shelf onto rods, use dead blow when needed. Boom, done. Cost? What, maybe $10? How much was that french cleat and wow what a time consuming install that was.
While I think this is viable, my whole thing is an easy way for my clients to install the shelf on their end. This method still has my client risking drilling crooked into the wall, and drilling crooked into the shelf.
As far as cost goes, I'm not really concerned. Most of my clients live in several million dollar homes so the cost is nothing to them. Most will hire a handyman on their end to install. But I don't know what this person's skill set is, so I need something full proof. And that is what this system provides.
@pepperman9, I know your method does work well. And I have done it. But I would not take the gamble of hitting a wire in the wall of a customer's home. It's just too big a risk for me, so I avoid all floating shelves unless I'm paid to install them before the drywall is installed. I have better ways to make money woodworking and I can sleep better at night knowing I won't have to go to someone's home in the morning and drill random holes in their walls.
I don't know what you charge for your floating shelves, but to add $150 for 8' or $99 for a 4' piece has to be passed on the the client or absorbed by you. I see below you are working on million dollar homes, but this is for a shipped product to same million dollar homes, they are probably not going to install it themselves anyway. I guess the selling price determines if it is worth it for you the builder and the end customer.
nice hardware.... BUT ONE UGLY SHELF. GOOD GRIEF
And yet it still got you excited enough to take the time to comment. ✊ Thanks!!!
maybe i dont get it... the CLIENT has to drill into the shelf... the CLIENT does all the work to attach to the wall, etc.. what you do?
That is the whole point of this system. I am able to set up the whole thing in my shop so all the clients has to do is attach the bracket to the wall and snap it into place.
Nice video, but... Destroying a perfectly good looking piece of wood by making a fake crack in order to install some ugly bowties. WTF!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and clearly I like a little more bling in my wood.
I'm, sorry this idea is a fail not only for price but labor to install it!
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Just letting you know that the volume's too low. Had to turn my volume up as high as it would go. Still couldn't hear you well.
When I play back it sounds fine and volume is less than half up on my phone. So I don't know what to do about that.🤷♂️
Volume is perfectly normal
Volume is fine. Maybe you need hearing aids?
Volume was fine for me.
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Sprinkle some bow ties in because is it really a RUclips carpentry video if you don’t