I'm a NYC commercial photographer and just wrapped my first day of shooting an assignment with the Tamron 24-70g2. So far I'm pretty impressed. I was able to nail a couple of shots using just available light of patients in a healthcare facility shooting at 1/50 3.2. I would have never attempted to shoot at the speed with my Canon lens. I bought the lens to gain the advantage of image stabilization, and it works! That might not seem like a particularly slow speed to some, but on a professional gig I can't afford to take a chance and blow a shot, I don't get second chances. The lens is not flawless, I missed focus on a couple of frames when I was pretty sure I had my focus point set properly. In the back of my mind I'm going to be extra careful with my focusing, more so than with my older trusted Canon. Also, in some bounced flash situations I felt the images were almost too sharp and contrasty. I'm going to alter some of my lighting tomorrow to compensate for the extra crispness I'm noticing in the images vs. my older Canon.Note to you pixel peepers out there, this is a very sharp lens!
Great feedback. I definitely recommend doing some lens calibration to help with front/backfocus issues. If you will invest the time, I suspect you will get great focus results. But the image stability is excellent on the lens, and it is optically sound.
Nailed it!! This is by far the most comprehensive and legit review comparison of these lenses. After watching the first video, I had been anticipating the 2nd part to decide which lens to invest in. For me its definitely the Tamron!! Dustin thank you so much for putting the effort to deliver such a top-notch review!!
One of the best, down to earth, practical and honest comparison between two lens that I have run into in years, evident by the visual evidence vs told be verbal and experience alone by countless other Cam Gas Bags in Social Media Land.
i own the tamron 24/70G2 lens and the sigma 24/70 art lens. both Nikon version.. the tamron version is by far a better lens. I have been a big fan of the Arts series...personally possess the 50, 85, 135 ART and they're magnificent. however, presently the tamron 24/70G2 is the best in its category including nikon, canon, sony, tokina (extremely underrated actually). At sub $1200 it's actually a steal......well done TAMRON for producing in my opinion "lens of the year"
Thanks Dustin. Seems the new Tamron is fairing well. My own tests with regard to the VC in the G2 suggest real world consistant sharp hand held photos get about three and a half stops of image stabilisation. This is with the lens in its out of the box default. I understand the five stops of VC is only achievable if you set the lens ( via the USB dock ) to only engage as the shutter is pressed. I don't yet possess the USB dock so I cannot verify that to be true. I was pleased to see the bokeh has improved, I still think the Sigma has it beat when it comes to specular highlights given the onion ring effect is still in evidence. Auto focus as you tested is excellent, accurate and fast, I have no complaints about the speed of focus aqusition on my Nikon mount copy ☺ I am also pleased to see the improvements over the original VC Tamron are clear to see. I won't deny that I was concerned that in pre ordering the G2 that Tamron had simply put the original VC version in a nice new body, clearly that isn't the case. Tamron is certainly doing a great job of late and that only gives me more confidence going forward regards further Tamron lens purchases ( I added their 15 to 30 f2.8 a few days after getting the G2 ) 😃
I am an amateur photographer just bought the G2 for Nikon in India for around 83000/ (1289 US $ with only 4 years warranty compared to 6 years in US )& pretty happy with the purchase.I had read the review in number of places & took the plungsThe images are clean & crisp & one of the photos that I took at Hyderbad airport at night really looked surreal & has wowed my friend circle.We are visiting the Gir Lion sanctuary next month & cant wait to shoot the lions & other lions there
Round 2!!!!! Let's do it! Can't wait! This hass to be my most anticipated review I've been waiting for all year, and from what I can find, you did it first. Can't wait to watch it!
That's hardly my conclusion, but I do think that Tamron is benefiting from being on their second generation of this type of lens while everyone else is working on their first.
After your previous video where i asked what you would choose between both lenses, i sold my sigma art and purchased the tamron. And i think i've come to the same conclusion as you did in the sense that for almost everyone, neither lens will be noticeably better in terms of pure IQ. but tamrons VC system truly is awesome.
Dustin Abbott absolutely. Its awesome being a photographer right now because you have so many options that if you want to make your decision based on the design language of the lens thats perfectly acceptable.
When comparing vignette at 70mm, you were using 1/30th for the Tamron and 1/15th for the Sigma. Also looking at all the vignetting tests, it would appear that over all light transition with the Tamron is better than with the Sigma - and I think this might explain 'some' of what you were seeing when you said that you preferred the 'contrast' of the Sigma vs the Tamron at certain FL (50-70mm if I remember from the last video). When I saw your comment on this in the last video, it reminded me in a different way of the Canon crushing the black issue from the 5DSR when compared to the A7Rii or Nikon (in this case a DR issue) but in the case of the Sigma, my guess is that the 'contrast' you preferred (and most people like contrast) is likely at least somewhat explained from a light transition issue (not fully but some for sure). The Tamron is looking like a great lens with its flat focal plane and excellent IS. As an aside, I noticed the light transmission issue when I purchased the Tamron 85 1.8 when comparing it to the Canon 70-200 F2.8 II at 85mm as it is almost half a stop brighter than the Canon at the same aperture. Great video as usual. Wish I knew you were doing this as I would have shipped you my Canon 24-70 F2.8 II for a few days for testing. Paul
Thanks for some of the most thorough and unbiased camera gear reviews on RUclips. A quick result summary in the beginning and a conclusion at the end would make them even better in my opinion, understanding there are separate overview videos.
What 3 trolls gave this a thumbs down? I love your vids. Your lens comparisons are the best, and I bought the Tamron 70-200 g2 bc of you for my Canon 6D. (My first copy wouldn't focus well at all, had to return it and get another one. My 2nd one is great). Thanks for all the work you do, and I hope people purchasing any lenses use your affiliate links.
Also, I don't think it's a great loss that the canon isn't included. I just can't see myself paying 550$ more for a lens that doesn't even have image stabilization.
Dude thank yoh so much. I understand so much goes into your videos but you have no idea how this helps us up coming photographers like my self. Just graduated high school and needed this advice
Your videos Sir... Are absolutely amazing.. more detailed but to the point information. Not at all diverting from topic like other people who claim to be pro Photographers reviews.. I hope you keep making this amazing videos ..👍🏻.
Nice review continuation! A suggestion: -Maybe comparing stabilisation after allowing it to activate properly would be more fair. Also, a higher sample size would be good, especially given the inconsistent results with Sigma. You don't have to show all that, but maybe mention results in the next video, if you decide to do that.
I'm trying to recreate real world use. My experience with the Sigma in real world shooting was that I felt it was providing no more than 3 stops of stability. The Tamron G2 definitely gives the best performance in stability.
Thank you, what you do is simple and yet amazing. This is what everone that looks for proper comparison video looks for. Thanks, great job cant wait for the next part. I do wish you had nikon or canon latest 24-70 and shows us how they compare to that, because this is the real question. Both of them are at the same prize pool, and some would prefer the tamron(like me) some the sigma but the real question is how they compare to twice and more expensive canon/nikon lenses. I'm waiting for your reviews to get my new 24-70. Just sold my old 24-70 non VR nikon and from what i see from your videos ill be going with the tamron. I just hoped i didnt make mistake selling my older nikon in favor of the tamron.
Gunawan Santoso if you watched his previous video he states he would like to do that as well. I believe he said "the stars didn't align." You can send him one and I am sure he would love to 🤘🏼
Well, it's unfortunate though, since I am considering the G2 but the Canon is famous for its IQ and it's considered as the best 24-70 available now. (until the G2, perhaps?)... Anyway, from your review it's clear that G2 beats the Arts, so thanks for your review.. it's so helpful, and this is a great video indeed.
I am too waiting on comparison between G2 and Canon ver. II. I will hold off from buying either of them till I see the master (Dustin) comparing them side by side and drawing out the conclusion.Dustin, your comparisons are so detailed that I decide my purchasing now a days after looking at your conclusions. Great job and I look forward for more comparisons.
Thank you for this video! Helped me make my decision. In the image stabilisation - should it not be camera blur or camera shake instead of 'motion blur'.
So a better light transmission globally(1/3 stop or so?) over the original and it looks like they were able to get those 'hard-edged' vignette corners at 24mm under control...very cool. Now the big question on what to replace my version 1 with... used Canon mk2 or new Tam g2?? I will be going back and forth on that over the next few months.
Another great content review Dustin I'm currently renting the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 G2 for a week through LensRentals.com so I'm impressed with the Tamron G2, I did calibrated to my D750, is pretty tack sharp. I'm definitely getting this lens this year
Dustin, thank you so much for an amazingly comprehensive and accurate comparison!! I am 90-95% convinced that I need to upgrade from my Tamron 24-70 "G1" (that has served me very well), to the G2 version. One thing I use it a lot for is video on my a6500 via the Sigma MC-11 adapter. For that reason, I was wondering if you might be able to do a quick comparison of the image stabilization characteristics of these three lenses in video mode (on any camera)? The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow would be if you were able to use all three of these lenses on an a6500/MC-11 in video mode to check AF performance! :-) I have found the MC-11 to provide surprisingly great video AF performance with the Sigma 18-35 (Canon EF mount), but predictably the Tamron 24-70 "G1" doesn't fare well at all..
I've shot some video on a 5D IV using both versions. The G2 is much quieter to focus, and the VC is quieter, but its still no substitute for a real stabilizing rig, in my opinion. It helps, but don't expect gimbal type results.
Thanks for the putting in the time, talent, and energy necessary to craft such a solid review. I've been tracking the availability of the Tamron G2/Nikon this week at Amazon: mostly "unavailable" all week until Friday, when a string of retailers appeared to quickly liquidate small allotments in rapid succession. B&H anticipates stock next week. The Canon mount seems to be easier to come by at the moment. Comprehensive reviews like yours might add to supply shortages!
I think the Nikon first party options might be perceived as less competitive (and even more expensive). Plus, Nikon mount was first to the market and more of the early reviews focused on it.
The price/performance of Nikon's 24-70 VR seems to have left considerable room in the market for third party lenses. And the Tamron G2 seems to be the lens Nikon should have made. Nikon's newest 70-200 VR (at $2800) opens that market wide for strong competitors like Tamron, too.
I have used the old tamron 24-70 VC as a photography lens and I hated the auto focus compared to the clasic nikon 24-70 (non vr) , It could be a bad copy but I just wanted to know, is it any better on af performance or at least the same over the old nikon? Seems like it is. Also did you notice any focus breathing issues? The old tamron suffered a lot from focus breathing. Thats the second very important thing Im looking, the old tamron doesnt seem to be a true 24-70 at medium and close focus distances. It would be awesome to see a focus breathing comparison between the old tamron, the new, the sigma and the old nikon and compare the frame at varius focus distances and the same mm. With tamron I was never able to shoot as close as with the nikon. Cheers :)
I would think that the autofocus performance has to be as good, as it is very fast. That being said, I'm not a Nikon shooter so won't be doing any comparisons to Nikons.
glad to hear that autofocus is improved, nikon canon doesn't matter, focus breathing for me and many photographers is a deal breaker,. this is why if you are just into photography and don't need VR then an old canon 24-70 2.8 L or the old version of nikon still seems like a better choice, not bad lenses though
Hi Dustin, Enjoyed your review and enjoy watching your videos. I have the Nikon D810 and am looking to purchase the 24-70. I'm not sure if I want the Nikon or the Tamron. Hypothetical question: If you had an unlimited budget, would you purchase the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR Lens or the TAMRON SP 24-70mm F/2.8 G2? And could you give your rationale. Thank you.
Hey Dustin, awesome review, thank you so much for it! I was wondering though how they fare in terms of focus consistency. Will you also do some real world, non-tripod shots with them? And if not, can you at least comment based on your experience in using the two lenses weather the focus consistency and tracking are on point? That is sort of what can make or break one of them being the better lens since they are so close. I've watched some other reviews and some people had issues with one of them not nailing focus every time and/or hunting for no reason even in full daylight and focusing on a high contrast static object. Have you had any problems of that sort during your time with them? Thank you so much in advance!
I don't really have time to do the full dock calibration with these lenses right now. My experience (at least with the Tamron) states that if you invest the time, you are rewarded with very good focus results. It's way too big a time investment to do as a reviewer on a lens that you return in a couple of weeks, though.
Having had the lense for 3 weeks now I will say that I have not had the hunting issues that Eric Rossi said he had. This has become my go to every day lens. I had the G1 right until the day the g2 came in.
@Dustin I understand, of course. I was guessing that there are no severe AF problems or you would have mentioned them in the review. Thanks again and congrats on the awesome review! @pianofighter Oh, i'm very happy to hear that that was just his copy being faulty. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for a great review again!!! Glad to see rendering improved! I didn't hear a comment on how accurate you found the AF is ? I might missed it :( I assume the Nikon 24-70 VR is better overall and I am sure the Canon is even better. Yet those Lenses are too expensive in my opinion and zoom is not giving perfect rendering and sharperness anyway I will go on the Tamron. Thanks again.
It's hard to comment on AF accuracy without doing a full Tap In calibration, which I don't have time to do. My experience says that if you invest the time with the Tap In you get very good results.
Dustin Abbott Thanks for the answer. I had a good experience with the previous generation so I hope it will continue. I will buy the G2 , unless you surprise us in the summary cheater ... Enjoy your Sunday!
It depends on where you are applying the term. In the actual image, it is all motion blur (whether from the subject of movement of the camera). If you are looking at causality, then camera shake would apply to movement of the camera and and motion would apply to the subject. It's all a problem with motion, actually.
Thank you for your comprehensive reviews! They are really helpful. Although, I'm getting a little bit confused: I was into buying either the Tamron or the Sigma 24-70, but while diving into your other reviews, I got hooked on (the image quality of) the Milvus 85 mm. They may not att all be comparable - the 24-70 is a much more versatile lens - but I had been looking before at the Sigma 85 f/1.4 Art as a complement to my Sigma 50 and 24 mm Art lenses. I am a visual artist and a real estate photographer. I use Nikon and the Nikkor 16-35 f/4 for real estate and am planning to swap it for the Tamron 15-30. (Thanks to your reviews!) But for my artistic work, and documenting art in general, I foremost use the Sigma 50 mm - which I sometimes experience to be a little bit short. 24-70 @ 70 mm might still be a little bit short. In my artistic work I strive after the best possible image quality, rendering of colours and resolution and here the Milvus comes in. I don't have the money for the Otus 85, but Milvus might be in the pocket. Unfortunately I can spend my bucks only once. What to do...? I already cover a good deal of the 24-70 range and I could extend it with an 85 mm, but then 24-70 is no longer an option. Best regards from Sweden!
I use 35mm and 85mm primes over a 24-70, personally. It sounds like you have a lot of primes on the lower end of the focal range, so an 85mm is a solid option. I like the Milvus image quality better in an absolute sense, but the ART lens may be more practical for having AF.
That's incredibly peculiar of the Sigma's OS performance. Makes me hopeful of how far firmware cane make for really slow shutter speeds. Having said that why the heck would it not work as well at 1/15 vs the 1/6?
Hello! Fantastic reviews. Any chance of knowing how AF behaves on a Sony A7RII with Metabones adapter? Has anyone ever taken this test? I use Canon and Sony cameras, so I ask. Thanks
+João Brites I’ve used them both with the Sigma MC-11, but not the Metabones. They both focus quite well with the MC-11 (though not as well in video AF mode)
There's the rub. There has been very little recent development for a quality APS-C standard zoom. The Canon EF-S 17-55mm is okay, but is frankly very dated. This is the Tamron equivalent bhpho.to/2PZ0iH0. It's not bad, but the build and focus system is not as sophisticated as Tamron's newer lenses.
It is pretty sad to learn that the Sigma didn't maintain the previous tradition of the Art series with excellent optic performance. However, those photos taken by Sigma in this review provides more 3D pop-up effect to my eyes.
Dustin Abbott I am totally agree with u. Glad to see ur reply and just want to let u know that I enjoy ur reviews so much. Thank you for everything u have done so far for the photography society.
Łukasz - This G2 is the only non-Nikkor lens I own and I’m very happy with the purchase. I never bought the Nikkor 24-70 because I thought it’s performance was pretty mediocre for its price.
PinchnerHouse I have both Nikon 24-70 2.8, VR and non VR. Also own the Tamron 24-70 G2. Nikon VR is meh, not as sharp. Nikon 24-70 is a tad sharper than the Tamron at 2.8. At f4 it’s sharper or stands with the Nikon. I use the Tamron and people borrow the Nikon’s. 🤘 Tamron is like 600 dollars cheaper than the non VR and over a thousand cheaper than the VR version.
Thanks Dustin! I notice Lumu has been reaching out to online photography Key Opinion Leaders lately which could help us make more well-informed decisions on whether it's worth its price tag. Specifically how it holds up against Sekonic's top L858D, given the Lumu's bonus colour metering functionality over dedicated light meters. Personally I'd be interested to know whether the Sekonic's built-in 1 degree reflective spot meter plus optional radio flash trigger capabilities are absolutely worth (to mirrorless, travelling amateurs like me) the price premium over something as simple and portable as a Lumu Power. Ideal for European buyers as Lumu is only €299 and can be shipped tariff-free within the EU straight from their base in Slovenia.
After a trip I took with my daughter where she was taking lots of pics from the car (while I was driving) and while walking, the Nikon 70-200 f4 VR proved much more efficient in VR at 150-200mm than the Tamron was at around 50mm. The Nikon 16-35 was also very good. Taking pics while walking was the ultimate test - the worst was the Tamron 35mm, although a very good lens other than that. The 24-70 Tamron was unpredictable in VR (sometimes yes, sometimes nothing). The Nikon 70-200 was spot on (zero shaken pics) in 100% of shots. The Nikon 16-35 was almost there (I'd say 8/10 unshaken pics). In video, the Nikons were very good (but not perfect), but the Tamron zoom was "jerking" when panning (like dozens of little "steps" inside the panning scene, I don't know how you call that). The Tamron didn't have the jerking of the previous model in stills. That's an improvement. But practically I'd say not more than 2 stops VR (I'd give the Nikon 70-200 4 stops easily, this cheap Nikon zoom is an immense surprise, given that I tested its sharpness (resolution only) as good as the Zeiss 100 milvus).
An excellent review by the way, congratulations. So far I'd say you are among the 2-3 most reliable reviewers. One thing that I would personally like to see (it would save me lots of money in rentals) would be a section inside the test, where you test the "dimensionality" (item separation) of lenses against the Milvus series.
the price difference between these lenses and the Canon is much less compare to the previous G1 tamron. I have the old tamron and if I want to upgrade ill go for canon. my only concern is AF consistency with 3rd party lenses.
max factor there's a $550 difference between a Tamron G2 and the EF 24-70 2.8 L II. And that's after Canon USA's rebate. Assuming you won't be buying grey market, that's a pretty serious difference.
My Nikon G1 copy completely failed for 3 days once & occasionally a few times since but only for maybe 10-15 seconds. Shooting happily one minute, no AF the next & as suddenly as it stopped it started again. I am only looking at 1st Party lenses for either a new D850 or Canon 5 D 4 . I can believe the Nikon Rep whom I met that there has been a rise in the number of instances of this happening with Tamron on Nikon bodies. After my experience while fine mostly I can't really trust 3rd Party anymore.
I shoot only on Nikon bodies and, as the rep, have every single Tamron lens currently in production. Never once had any issues and I shoot all over the country and in extremely varied conditions. Let's just say we're quite used to making lenses that work well for Nikon. Your rep doesn't have a clue. And I'll be happy to meet him in person to discuss his further education.
I'm a NYC commercial photographer and just wrapped my first day of shooting an assignment with the Tamron 24-70g2. So far I'm pretty impressed. I was able to nail a couple of shots using just available light of patients in a healthcare facility shooting at 1/50 3.2. I would have never attempted to shoot at the speed with my Canon lens. I bought the lens to gain the advantage of image stabilization, and it works! That might not seem like a particularly slow speed to some, but on a professional gig I can't afford to take a chance and blow a shot, I don't get second chances. The lens is not flawless, I missed focus on a couple of frames when I was pretty sure I had my focus point set properly. In the back of my mind I'm going to be extra careful with my focusing, more so than with my older trusted Canon. Also, in some bounced flash situations I felt the images were almost too sharp and contrasty. I'm going to alter some of my lighting tomorrow to compensate for the extra crispness I'm noticing in the images vs. my older Canon.Note to you pixel peepers out there, this is a very sharp lens!
Great feedback. I definitely recommend doing some lens calibration to help with front/backfocus issues. If you will invest the time, I suspect you will get great focus results. But the image stability is excellent on the lens, and it is optically sound.
Nailed it!!
This is by far the most comprehensive and legit review comparison of these lenses. After watching the first video, I had been anticipating the 2nd part to decide which lens to invest in.
For me its definitely the Tamron!! Dustin thank you so much for putting the effort to deliver such a top-notch review!!
My pleasure
@@DustinAbbottTWI Mr Abbott, I would like to ask wich lens would u sugest for Canon EOS R. Tamron G2 or RF 28-70 f/2 ?
One of the best, down to earth, practical and honest comparison between two lens that I have run into in years, evident by the visual evidence vs told be verbal and experience alone by countless other Cam Gas Bags in Social Media Land.
Thanks. I hear that periodically, for sure.
i own the tamron 24/70G2 lens and the sigma 24/70 art lens. both Nikon version..
the tamron version is by far a better lens.
I have been a big fan of the Arts series...personally possess the 50, 85, 135 ART and they're magnificent.
however, presently the tamron 24/70G2 is the best in its category including nikon, canon, sony, tokina (extremely underrated actually).
At sub $1200 it's actually a steal......well done TAMRON for producing in my opinion "lens of the year"
It is a definitely a great value for how mature a lens it is.
+Dustin Abbott mature....please elaborate as i am confused...my guess is you're utilising the word MATURE because of its G2 nature!!
@@alexandergomes3317 What would you say about the Tokina compared to Tamron at 2,8? That much softer so PP won't make up to? Thanks.
Thanks Dustin. Seems the new Tamron is fairing well. My own tests with regard to the VC in the G2 suggest real world consistant sharp hand held photos get about three and a half stops of image stabilisation. This is with the lens in its out of the box default. I understand the five stops of VC is only achievable if you set the lens ( via the USB dock ) to only engage as the shutter is pressed. I don't yet possess the USB dock so I cannot verify that to be true. I was pleased to see the bokeh has improved, I still think the Sigma has it beat when it comes to specular highlights given the onion ring effect is still in evidence. Auto focus as you tested is excellent, accurate and fast, I have no complaints about the speed of focus aqusition on my Nikon mount copy ☺ I am also pleased to see the improvements over the original VC Tamron are clear to see. I won't deny that I was concerned that in pre ordering the G2 that Tamron had simply put the original VC version in a nice new body, clearly that isn't the case. Tamron is certainly doing a great job of late and that only gives me more confidence going forward regards further Tamron lens purchases ( I added their 15 to 30 f2.8 a few days after getting the G2 ) 😃
Using the capture priority setting does make a difference, though I was just using the default setting here.
Probably the best lens comparison I've seen. Thank you!!
Thank you!
I am an amateur photographer just bought the G2 for Nikon in India for around 83000/ (1289 US $ with only 4 years warranty compared to 6 years in US )& pretty happy with the purchase.I had read the review in number of places & took the plungsThe images are clean & crisp & one of the photos that I took at Hyderbad airport at night really looked surreal & has wowed my friend circle.We are visiting the Gir Lion sanctuary next month & cant wait to shoot the lions & other lions there
Good for you! Enjoy
Round 2!!!!! Let's do it! Can't wait!
This hass to be my most anticipated review I've been waiting for all year, and from what I can find, you did it first. Can't wait to watch it!
Well watch on...
you do some of the BEST comparison videos. the others should take note. This is all the information i needed to make an informed decision.
Thanks, and I'm glad I could help
So what it seems like is that Sigma's Art Series has a imposter amongst it other lenses. Sadly, it's one of the most important ones.
That's hardly my conclusion, but I do think that Tamron is benefiting from being on their second generation of this type of lens while everyone else is working on their first.
After your previous video where i asked what you would choose between both lenses, i sold my sigma art and purchased the tamron. And i think i've come to the same conclusion as you did in the sense that for almost everyone, neither lens will be noticeably better in terms of pure IQ. but tamrons VC system truly is awesome.
I don't think choosing on IQ alone is going to cut it much these days. There's a lot of parity out there, so the other factors become more important.
Dustin Abbott absolutely. Its awesome being a photographer right now because you have so many options that if you want to make your decision based on the design language of the lens thats perfectly acceptable.
When comparing vignette at 70mm, you were using 1/30th for the Tamron and 1/15th for the Sigma. Also looking at all the vignetting tests, it would appear that over all light transition with the Tamron is better than with the Sigma - and I think this might explain 'some' of what you were seeing when you said that you preferred the 'contrast' of the Sigma vs the Tamron at certain FL (50-70mm if I remember from the last video). When I saw your comment on this in the last video, it reminded me in a different way of the Canon crushing the black issue from the 5DSR when compared to the A7Rii or Nikon (in this case a DR issue) but in the case of the Sigma, my guess is that the 'contrast' you preferred (and most people like contrast) is likely at least somewhat explained from a light transition issue (not fully but some for sure). The Tamron is looking like a great lens with its flat focal plane and excellent IS. As an aside, I noticed the light transmission issue when I purchased the Tamron 85 1.8 when comparing it to the Canon 70-200 F2.8 II at 85mm as it is almost half a stop brighter than the Canon at the same aperture. Great video as usual. Wish I knew you were doing this as I would have shipped you my Canon 24-70 F2.8 II for a few days for testing. Paul
If you want to ship it out, I could do a comparison next week with one of the G2 copies before sending it back.
Dustin, send me an email to mail@pauloneil.com with address and contact info and I will see what I can do Monday.
Amazing i love to see that comparison People in this world are very kind :)
Thanks for some of the most thorough and unbiased camera gear reviews on RUclips. A quick result summary in the beginning and a conclusion at the end would make them even better in my opinion, understanding there are separate overview videos.
Thanks for the feedback.
Wow, the VC on the G1 really took a hit. I guess the 5-stop of stabilization on the G2 is not just marketing!
It's definitely the best of the bunch.
What 3 trolls gave this a thumbs down? I love your vids. Your lens comparisons are the best, and I bought the Tamron 70-200 g2 bc of you for my Canon 6D. (My first copy wouldn't focus well at all, had to return it and get another one. My 2nd one is great). Thanks for all the work you do, and I hope people purchasing any lenses use your affiliate links.
There's always a few people that thumb down just for the fun of it.
Also, I don't think it's a great loss that the canon isn't included. I just can't see myself paying 550$ more for a lens that doesn't even have image stabilization.
Canon has surprised me by not covering this with some native glass.
I also use canon 6D with 24 70G2 combo. Such a good lense. I bought this lense based on Mr.Abbott's review as well.
Great lens comparison! Thank you for making such an intuitive review.
Do you think the G2 will work good with a speed booster?
I'm not sure why it wouldn't work, but I haven't tested that combination.
Thank you Mr Abbott. Ordering the Tamron today. :)
Enjoy the lens!
Thanks Dustin for making these videos - these are truly awesome!
Thank you
Both are amazing, which would you consider is the better lense ?
I definitely think the Tamron is the stronger lens
Thank you Dustin, I made my decision based on your excellent comparison.
It sounds like a number of people are. Enjoy your new lens.
Dude thank yoh so much. I understand so much goes into your videos but you have no idea how this helps us up coming photographers like my self. Just graduated high school and needed this advice
Glad to hear it!
Your videos Sir... Are absolutely amazing.. more detailed but to the point information. Not at all diverting from topic like other people who claim to be pro Photographers reviews.. I hope you keep making this amazing videos ..👍🏻.
That's the plan. Thanks!
Nice review continuation! A suggestion:
-Maybe comparing stabilisation after allowing it to activate properly would be more fair. Also, a higher sample size would be good, especially given the inconsistent results with Sigma. You don't have to show all that, but maybe mention results in the next video, if you decide to do that.
I'm trying to recreate real world use. My experience with the Sigma in real world shooting was that I felt it was providing no more than 3 stops of stability. The Tamron G2 definitely gives the best performance in stability.
Seeking your opinion of the Tamron 28-75 G2 vs the Sigma 24-70 DNDG ART… thank you !
Thank you, what you do is simple and yet amazing. This is what everone that looks for proper comparison video looks for. Thanks, great job cant wait for the next part. I do wish you had nikon or canon latest 24-70 and shows us how they compare to that, because this is the real question. Both of them are at the same prize pool, and some would prefer the tamron(like me) some the sigma but the real question is how they compare to twice and more expensive canon/nikon lenses.
I'm waiting for your reviews to get my new 24-70. Just sold my old 24-70 non VR nikon and from what i see from your videos ill be going with the tamron. I just hoped i didnt make mistake selling my older nikon in favor of the tamron.
I am waiting for the Tamron G2 vs Canon EF 24-70 L II... Please?
Gunawan Santoso if you watched his previous video he states he would like to do that as well. I believe he said "the stars didn't align." You can send him one and I am sure he would love to 🤘🏼
It won't happen right now because I don't have the 24-70L II lens and don't have an opportunity to get it in right now. Perhaps at a future date.
Well, it's unfortunate though, since I am considering the G2 but the Canon is famous for its IQ and it's considered as the best 24-70 available now. (until the G2, perhaps?)... Anyway, from your review it's clear that G2 beats the Arts, so thanks for your review.. it's so helpful, and this is a great video indeed.
I am too waiting on comparison between G2 and Canon ver. II. I will hold off from buying either of them till I see the master (Dustin) comparing them side by side and drawing out the conclusion.Dustin, your comparisons are so detailed that I decide my purchasing now a days after looking at your conclusions. Great job and I look forward for more comparisons.
Same
Thank you for this video! Helped me make my decision. In the image stabilisation - should it not be camera blur or camera shake instead of 'motion blur'.
Depending on how the term is used, yes.
So a better light transmission globally(1/3 stop or so?) over the original and it looks like they were able to get those 'hard-edged' vignette corners at 24mm under control...very cool. Now the big question on what to replace my version 1 with... used Canon mk2 or new Tam g2?? I will be going back and forth on that over the next few months.
There are a number of very nice upgrades on the G2 model
Thank you sir. Great review.
My pleasure.
Thanks, great video.
My pleasure
This is a very good review
Thanks a lot for this Video, Dustin.
I really appreciate the effort.
My pleasure!
Thanks for sharing your video. Question for you; can I use the Tamron 24mm-70mm g2 for my canon RP?
Thanks for reply!
You'll need to use the EF to RF adapter from Canon (that's true for any EF mount lens), but definitely.
Another great content review Dustin I'm currently renting the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 G2 for a week through LensRentals.com so I'm impressed with the Tamron G2, I did calibrated to my D750, is pretty tack sharp. I'm definitely getting this lens this year
It's a very nice lens and priced very competitively.
Another solid review. Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback.
Dustin, thank you so much for an amazingly comprehensive and accurate comparison!!
I am 90-95% convinced that I need to upgrade from my Tamron 24-70 "G1" (that has served me very well), to the G2 version.
One thing I use it a lot for is video on my a6500 via the Sigma MC-11 adapter. For that reason, I was wondering if you might be able to do a quick comparison of the image stabilization characteristics of these three lenses in video mode (on any camera)?
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow would be if you were able to use all three of these lenses on an a6500/MC-11 in video mode to check AF performance! :-) I have found the MC-11 to provide surprisingly great video AF performance with the Sigma 18-35 (Canon EF mount), but predictably the Tamron 24-70 "G1" doesn't fare well at all..
I've shot some video on a 5D IV using both versions. The G2 is much quieter to focus, and the VC is quieter, but its still no substitute for a real stabilizing rig, in my opinion. It helps, but don't expect gimbal type results.
Thanks for the putting in the time, talent, and energy necessary to craft such a solid review. I've been tracking the availability of the Tamron G2/Nikon this week at Amazon: mostly "unavailable" all week until Friday, when a string of retailers appeared to quickly liquidate small allotments in rapid succession. B&H anticipates stock next week. The Canon mount seems to be easier to come by at the moment. Comprehensive reviews like yours might add to supply shortages!
I think the Nikon first party options might be perceived as less competitive (and even more expensive). Plus, Nikon mount was first to the market and more of the early reviews focused on it.
The price/performance of Nikon's 24-70 VR seems to have left considerable room in the market for third party lenses. And the Tamron G2 seems to be the lens Nikon should have made. Nikon's newest 70-200 VR (at $2800) opens that market wide for strong competitors like Tamron, too.
Would have been nice to see the vc in action with video as well...
I believe that is covered in the final review. It definitely is in one segment.
I have used the old tamron 24-70 VC as a photography lens and I hated the auto focus compared to the clasic nikon 24-70 (non vr) , It could be a bad copy but I just wanted to know, is it any better on af performance or at least the same over the old nikon? Seems like it is. Also did you notice any focus breathing issues? The old tamron suffered a lot from focus breathing. Thats the second very important thing Im looking, the old tamron doesnt seem to be a true 24-70 at medium and close focus distances. It would be awesome to see a focus breathing comparison between the old tamron, the new, the sigma and the old nikon and compare the frame at varius focus distances and the same mm. With tamron I was never able to shoot as close as with the nikon. Cheers :)
I would think that the autofocus performance has to be as good, as it is very fast. That being said, I'm not a Nikon shooter so won't be doing any comparisons to Nikons.
glad to hear that autofocus is improved, nikon canon doesn't matter, focus breathing for me and many photographers is a deal breaker,. this is why if you are just into photography and don't need VR then an old canon 24-70 2.8 L or the old version of nikon still seems like a better choice, not bad lenses though
Nice Review Dustin :) How smooth is the zoom ring on the G2 , Smoother than 1st version ?
Subir Thapa - It takes more effort to zoom than I would like, I other words it’s pretty firm. But I don’t find it to be jumpy.
The copies I have are much smoother.
Hi Dustin, Enjoyed your review and enjoy watching your videos. I have the Nikon D810 and am looking to purchase the 24-70. I'm not sure if I want the Nikon or the Tamron. Hypothetical question: If you had an unlimited budget, would you purchase the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR Lens or the TAMRON SP 24-70mm F/2.8 G2? And could you give your rationale. Thank you.
I'm afraid I can't. I'm not a Nikon shooter and haven't used the Nikkor lens.
The Nikon lense is nearly perfect and has no focus issues that are quite common in third party lenses.
The Tamron G2 lenses do not have focusing issues on Nikon cameras, I have a D850, if I had focus issues I would have noticed it immediately.
Hi sir, your compassion was extremely awesome & very useful. Can i ask a doubt? Would the tamron g2 works perfect in a speed booster? Please reply
I don't really know the answer to that. Speed boosters are not all the same, and autofocus varies from one to one.
@@DustinAbbottTWI sir which speed booster is the best one in worth price?please reply.
Hey Dustin, awesome review, thank you so much for it! I was wondering though how they fare in terms of focus consistency. Will you also do some real world, non-tripod shots with them? And if not, can you at least comment based on your experience in using the two lenses weather the focus consistency and tracking are on point? That is sort of what can make or break one of them being the better lens since they are so close. I've watched some other reviews and some people had issues with one of them not nailing focus every time and/or hunting for no reason even in full daylight and focusing on a high contrast static object. Have you had any problems of that sort during your time with them? Thank you so much in advance!
I don't really have time to do the full dock calibration with these lenses right now. My experience (at least with the Tamron) states that if you invest the time, you are rewarded with very good focus results. It's way too big a time investment to do as a reviewer on a lens that you return in a couple of weeks, though.
Having had the lense for 3 weeks now I will say that I have not had the hunting issues that Eric Rossi said he had. This has become my go to every day lens. I had the G1 right until the day the g2 came in.
@Dustin I understand, of course. I was guessing that there are no severe AF problems or you would have mentioned them in the review. Thanks again and congrats on the awesome review!
@pianofighter Oh, i'm very happy to hear that that was just his copy being faulty. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for a great review again!!!
Glad to see rendering improved!
I didn't hear a comment on how accurate you found the AF is ? I might missed it :(
I assume the Nikon 24-70 VR is better overall and I am sure the Canon is even better.
Yet those Lenses are too expensive in my opinion and zoom is not giving perfect rendering and sharperness anyway I will go on the Tamron.
Thanks again.
It's hard to comment on AF accuracy without doing a full Tap In calibration, which I don't have time to do. My experience says that if you invest the time with the Tap In you get very good results.
Dustin Abbott Thanks for the answer.
I had a good experience with the previous generation so I hope it will continue.
I will buy the G2 , unless you surprise us in the summary cheater ...
Enjoy your Sunday!
Excellent content
Glad you enjoyed it
so, overall review? which one is best...
i'll watch the full video's whenever i have time left :)
It's more complicated than that, but I would go with the Tamron G2 over the Sigma.
Wait. Isn’t it camera shake and not motion blur when the user introduces motion? I mean the wall ain’t moving
It depends on where you are applying the term. In the actual image, it is all motion blur (whether from the subject of movement of the camera). If you are looking at causality, then camera shake would apply to movement of the camera and and motion would apply to the subject. It's all a problem with motion, actually.
Thank you for your comprehensive reviews! They are really helpful.
Although, I'm getting a little bit confused: I was into buying either the Tamron or the Sigma 24-70, but while diving into your other reviews, I got hooked on (the image quality of) the Milvus 85 mm. They may not att all be comparable - the 24-70 is a much more versatile lens - but I had been looking before at the Sigma 85 f/1.4 Art as a complement to my Sigma 50 and 24 mm Art lenses. I am a visual artist and a real estate photographer. I use Nikon and the Nikkor 16-35 f/4 for real estate and am planning to swap it for the Tamron 15-30. (Thanks to your reviews!) But for my artistic work, and documenting art in general, I foremost use the Sigma 50 mm - which I sometimes experience to be a little bit short. 24-70 @ 70 mm might still be a little bit short. In my artistic work I strive after the best possible image quality, rendering of colours and resolution and here the Milvus comes in. I don't have the money for the Otus 85, but Milvus might be in the pocket. Unfortunately I can spend my bucks only once. What to do...? I already cover a good deal of the 24-70 range and I could extend it with an 85 mm, but then 24-70 is no longer an option.
Best regards from Sweden!
I use 35mm and 85mm primes over a 24-70, personally. It sounds like you have a lot of primes on the lower end of the focal range, so an 85mm is a solid option. I like the Milvus image quality better in an absolute sense, but the ART lens may be more practical for having AF.
Thank you, really appreciated!
Hi Dustin, what do u think of this Tamron on EOS R?
Seems to work well.
hey, i was looking for the recent one :D
Recent one?
thank you for your review!but my english is not well.please tell me which len should I buy？my be g2? thank you!
I like the G2 much better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you.and I am glad to tell you that you are very famous in china! your videos are amazing
is that video AF noise comparison done with internal mics or top-mounted mics?
Internal
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you!
should i buy tamron 35 1.4 or tamron 24-70 f2.8, i have canon rp
That really depends on your shooting needs. The zoom is more versatile, while the prime gives the ultimate image quality.
Get both!
Problem solved! Top-notch review!! Thank You!!
You're welcome.
That's incredibly peculiar of the Sigma's OS performance. Makes me hopeful of how far firmware cane make for really slow shutter speeds. Having said that why the heck would it not work as well at 1/15 vs the 1/6?
???? I don't have the answer.
Whats the product he used at the beginning on his iphone to determine the light ?
It's called the Lumu Power - watch for my review of it in a week or two.
I was looking into it because as a beginner it would help a lot but its wat toooo much for my price range
+Noel's vlogs Unfortunately it is far from cheap.
Hello! Fantastic reviews. Any chance of knowing how AF behaves on a Sony A7RII with Metabones adapter? Has anyone ever taken this test? I use Canon and Sony cameras, so I ask. Thanks
+João Brites I’ve used them both with the Sigma MC-11, but not the Metabones. They both focus quite well with the MC-11 (though not as well in video AF mode)
Buy the Tamron G2, get a better lens and save a couple of hundred bucks.
It's definitely a nice lens.
Thanks any thoughts of putting the Tamron on a 80D?
You can use it there, though the focal ranges makes less sense on APS-C.
yes, thanks but what would be a good alternative that would deliver a very sharp image? thanks
There's the rub. There has been very little recent development for a quality APS-C standard zoom. The Canon EF-S 17-55mm is okay, but is frankly very dated. This is the Tamron equivalent bhpho.to/2PZ0iH0. It's not bad, but the build and focus system is not as sophisticated as Tamron's newer lenses.
Thx for that comparasonio! What about image stabilization in video? Tamron G1 seems junky. On my Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II it's like honey for my heart
The G2 is smoother by a long shot than the G1. You can also program a video specific VC behavior in the Tap In.
Thank you, God Bless!
It is pretty sad to learn that the Sigma didn't maintain the previous tradition of the Art series with excellent optic performance. However, those photos taken by Sigma in this review provides more 3D pop-up effect to my eyes.
I actually like the look of images from the Sigma.
Dustin Abbott I am totally agree with u. Glad to see ur reply and just want to let u know that I enjoy ur reviews so much. Thank you for everything u have done so far for the photography society.
When? Tamron G2 vs Sigma ART vs Nikkor: 24-70mm :)
That's going to have to be up to one of the Nikon reviewers, as I don't shoot Nikon.
Łukasz - This G2 is the only non-Nikkor lens I own and I’m very happy with the purchase. I never bought the Nikkor 24-70 because I thought it’s performance was pretty mediocre for its price.
PinchnerHouse I have both Nikon 24-70 2.8, VR and non VR. Also own the Tamron 24-70 G2. Nikon VR is meh, not as sharp. Nikon 24-70 is a tad sharper than the Tamron at 2.8. At f4 it’s sharper or stands with the Nikon. I use the Tamron and people borrow the Nikon’s. 🤘 Tamron is like 600 dollars cheaper than the non VR and over a thousand cheaper than the VR version.
LUMU POWER!!!!! Anticipating your review on it! :D
Coming soon. I'm going to try to fit it in this week.
Thanks Dustin! I notice Lumu has been reaching out to online photography Key Opinion Leaders lately which could help us make more well-informed decisions on whether it's worth its price tag. Specifically how it holds up against Sekonic's top L858D, given the Lumu's bonus colour metering functionality over dedicated light meters.
Personally I'd be interested to know whether the Sekonic's built-in 1 degree reflective spot meter plus optional radio flash trigger capabilities are absolutely worth (to mirrorless, travelling amateurs like me) the price premium over something as simple and portable as a Lumu Power.
Ideal for European buyers as Lumu is only €299 and can be shipped tariff-free within the EU straight from their base in Slovenia.
All I can say is that it works...and is definitely very convenient and portable. I keep it in my backpack all the time.
T 24-70 VC G1 is very cheap in Hong Kong. For a 2nd hand it is less than 600USD.
That's an amazing price.
Exactly my own findings on the VR as I stated the other day in the other video. Insufficient VR.
That's an area where Tamron has made serious strides.
After a trip I took with my daughter where she was taking lots of pics from the car (while I was driving) and while walking, the Nikon 70-200 f4 VR proved much more efficient in VR at 150-200mm than the Tamron was at around 50mm.
The Nikon 16-35 was also very good.
Taking pics while walking was the ultimate test - the worst was the Tamron 35mm, although a very good lens other than that.
The 24-70 Tamron was unpredictable in VR (sometimes yes, sometimes nothing). The Nikon 70-200 was spot on (zero shaken pics) in 100% of shots. The Nikon 16-35 was almost there (I'd say 8/10 unshaken pics).
In video, the Nikons were very good (but not perfect), but the Tamron zoom was "jerking" when panning (like dozens of little "steps" inside the panning scene, I don't know how you call that).
The Tamron didn't have the jerking of the previous model in stills. That's an improvement. But practically I'd say not more than 2 stops VR (I'd give the Nikon 70-200 4 stops easily, this cheap Nikon zoom is an immense surprise, given that I tested its sharpness (resolution only) as good as the Zeiss 100 milvus).
An excellent review by the way, congratulations. So far I'd say you are among the 2-3 most reliable reviewers.
One thing that I would personally like to see (it would save me lots of money in rentals) would be a section inside the test, where you test the "dimensionality" (item separation) of lenses against the Milvus series.
the price difference between these lenses and the Canon is much less compare to the previous G1 tamron. I have the old tamron and if I want to upgrade ill go for canon. my only concern is AF consistency with 3rd party lenses.
max factor there's a $550 difference between a Tamron G2 and the EF 24-70 2.8 L II. And that's after Canon USA's rebate. Assuming you won't be buying grey market, that's a pretty serious difference.
You can get a used Canon though, but not a used Tamron for quite a while. So if you find a used lens in mint condition, you are pretty much on par.
My Nikon G1 copy completely failed for 3 days once & occasionally a few times since but only for maybe 10-15 seconds. Shooting happily one minute, no AF the next & as suddenly as it stopped it started again. I am only looking at 1st Party lenses for either a new D850 or Canon 5 D 4 . I can believe the Nikon Rep whom I met that there has been a rise in the number of instances of this happening with Tamron on Nikon bodies. After my experience while fine mostly I can't really trust 3rd Party anymore.
I shoot only on Nikon bodies and, as the rep, have every single Tamron lens currently in production. Never once had any issues and I shoot all over the country and in extremely varied conditions. Let's just say we're quite used to making lenses that work well for Nikon. Your rep doesn't have a clue. And I'll be happy to meet him in person to discuss his further education.
Minus the 6 year warranty, perhaps. I'd rather have that than pay for one repair.
When I was shooting with Tamron 24-70 G1 on my DX in Mexico City, I felt the VC was not enough, and I was hoping it would work better on FX.
That was always a bit of a problem with the lens. You needed to be a little more deliberate to allow it time to engage.
Dustin Abbott D850 arrived today. Let’s see how it goes on FX.