Deep lore: Ornstein has to ride up the elevator with Smough. Smough doesn’t mind, but Ornstein always quietly grumbles about his elevator being too small.
Gwyn: So what happened to the weight-loss program pamphlets I've been giving you? Ornstein: Well, I gave them all to Smough, but he doesn't get the hint. Gwyn: ... Ornstein: ...what? Gwyn: ...those were for you. Ornstein: ... WHAT!?
"Brother, you an always take off the helmet-" "If I wanted to take off my helmet yes I would take off my helmet but you don't have to take off any part of your armor to fit into your elevator so why should I have to take off my helmet to fit into my elevator and also-" "Ok, Ornstein, forget I said anything"
I tried all sorts of stuff to get Ornstein into his elevator. Not even his spear dash can squeeze him in. The question we have to face now is, what if it was never even his elevator to begin with?
Anor Londo seems to be constructed for both humans and giants/lords, like the stairs at the front of the Cathedral. I don't think the elevators are just for Ornstein and Smoug, but rather one size for humans and the other for lords
I allways thought that the small elevator was for "human size" and the big one was for "god size" creatures This would explain why Ornstein doesn't fit in the small door
@@prawngravy18 There are still the almost human-sized Black Knights tho, so there must have been a race of human-sized people living in Anor Londo, explaning the living quarters being made for human size.
Smough: Hey sweet, we get our own elevators! Ornstein: Oh…that’s ni-… *sigh* Smough: What’s wrong? Ornstein: This elevator was made with Artorias’ proportions.
Smough: "You look sad, something wrong?" Ornstein: "I can't fit into my damn elevator" Smough: "Don't be sad. You can use mine if you like" Orsntein: "Will do, thanks buddy" Friendship 100
Smough internally: “aight good. This little act of kindness justifies my contingency plan of smashing him into ground beef for a supercharge if he falls.”
He jumps down because there had to be fog gates in front of the elevators, that's why smough is already in there, it wouldn't work for them to come out of a fog gate, nothing to do with lore, just game design choices due to practicality.
Gwynevere: "Boys, I am still waiting for someone to help me with this new bra." Ornstein and Smough: "Believe us, we are making every effort to get there."
The most likely scenario is that the cathedral wasn't created with ornstein and smough in mind. The actual purpose of the elevators was probably for the use of lords and humans. You can even see earlier the steps leading up anor Londo have two step heights as if to accommodate two average heights.
Or maybe it's just that Ornstein's hitbox is bigger than it's visual, as can clearly be seen by the fact that litteraly nothing stops him from entering
What's bothering me with this is that Ornstein can fit into his elevator and through Gwynever's chamber door but either his collision box (if there is such a thing) or his hitbox doesn't allow it. What a bummer.
Now I have to imagine them both awkwardly squeezing into the one elevator... Smoughs belly would probably crush Ornstein against the wall like Ridley in a Metroid boss battle
@@luxinvictus9018 well, if you look closely during the cutscene, Ornstein's fingers move a bit just before Smough crushes him with his hammer. This could imply that he was still alive, even just a little, which would mean he was technically killed by Smough. It could also just be final death twitches, though. Nobody knows for sure whether Smough dealt the final blow or not.
I love the visual where if Ornstein didn't jump after you enter the boss room, he just patiently waits for Smaugh's elevator to come back up so he can take it down. That would set a very different tone for the fight 😆
I never thought it was separate elevators for O+S, I thought it was separate for the "human race" and "god race", for want of better terms. O+S are both god race and would use the big elevator, while human sized peeps like chosen undead and others would use the baby elevator.
@@petrkuklinek5222 What? gods are a race in dark souls, everyone around gwyn was a god, ornstein and smough are gods, no humans lived in anor londo, they were cast away to different parts of the world due to being hollow. Watch the intro to dark souls 1 or just play any of the games and you can find that out real quick.
The architects must’ve felt super ashamed after Ornstein showed them that his specially made elevator doesn’t work for him. I guess he and Smough just squeeze into his elevator to get up to Gwynevere. That must be pretty awkward.
As evidenced by the front steps that lead to the Grand Cathedral (big steps in the middle for Lords/Giants and little steps at the 2 sides for humans), Anor Londo seems to have been built to accommodate Lords and Humans. So the two elevators is probably something similar, the elevator on the right is for Lords (and their kin) and the elevator on the left is for humans.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 it works on a gargantuan stairwell elevator a meter from these, but I guess this would be too much trouble Seriously how does transmission to over like a 100m tall spinny building work? shits magic
Everytime I see this I remember the scene in Lion King 1/2 when Pumba makes them two nest beds for each of their respective sizes and Timon immediately calls dibs on the big one, and Pumba just goes with it.
I say this all the time but it just gets more and more true as the videos come out. This channel is consistently one of the best on the platform. Keep up the amazing work, it's always entertaining and interesting!
The two elevators thing always reminds me of a story about when Isaac Newton invented the cat flap. His cat later had kittens, so he made a second, smaller cat flap for them to use. He then felt like an idiot when the kittens all followed their mother through the big flap.
I always figured it wasn't one elevator for each of them, it was a large elevator for the god race and a small one for human worshipers, just like the stairs outside.
There is something so incredibly unsatisfying that Smough can use the elevator but Ornstien can't. Love your videos Zulie, thanks for doing what you do.
I dunno why people just assumed 2 security guards had their own personal elevator. I always assumed it was one for large gods and another for regular humans and smaller than average gods. The even larger gods would be powerful enough to not need an elevator.
It's likely that the big elevator was for the the larger members of anor londo such as o&s,artorias,and the Giants while the smaller one was for gwyn,gwyndolin,the silver knights and humans who wanted an audience with gwyneveir
Nice to see that in-universe they can do all of that because as anyone who's tall knows having to lean forward to not hit your head in doorways is quite common. Also ornstein would just open the doors more.
Well, he can kinda see the booba. He'd be able to see it more clearly if he'd picked up the binoculars, but I can't expect Ornstein to know where they are; I assume there's no internet in Anor Londo.
Hey Zullie! Did you ever notice, in Ds1, wearing Artorias’ helm, the player’s face is moved up to the ‘hood’ of the helmet? Which is interesting because this causes the player’s actual face to ‘elevate’ from its original position in order to fit the helmet.
I hadn't even thought of the fact that those were their elevators, I always thought, "why are these 2 elevators here anyway and why are they different sizes?!?"
I'm no genius when it comes to Souls lore, but figuring out that the elevators are for humans and giants made me proud. Then again, I figured it out after first seeing Smough's elevator, because I had always used the one on the left and assumed they were the same.
I appreciate Ornstein's refusal to sully his image by ducking to get into his elevator. Although he could definitely push those doors open further at the end.
The small one is designed for humans and the big one is for giants, they aren't elevators specifically for O&S, both of them would have probably used the big one given that Ornstein is larger than a normal human.
I feel like much of the Dark Souls community is quite possibly extremely misguided. I believe that "Ornstein's elevator" was never intended for Ornstein specifically. The Cathedral of Gwynevere is a place of worship, so whether god or human, visitors would most likely travel there in pilgrimage. Consider this: in Anor Londo, the staircases often accomodate humans too. For example, the stairs leading up to the Cathedral main gate is sized for giants, but on either flank, they're sized for humans. Numerous doorways are similarly also sized for humans; the wrought iron gated on either side of the cathedral's main doors are enormous, but at the bottom, there are also human-sized gates too. The misconception is that _only_ Gods existed in Anor Londo. The city is a capital of a kingdom - a kingdom wherein the majority of the population varies massively in size. Therefore, Anor Londo was built to be accomodating to the majority of Lordran's citizens. There's also the distinct possibility to consider that the Cathedral was built after Gwyn left, for the sole purpose of puppeteering the Undead. Why would Gwynevere let herself be trapped in a room she cannot walk out of? At the size that Gwyndolin's illusion depicts, Gwynevere couldn't leave those chambers due to how comparatively small the doors are. Even if Gwynevere is smaller (perhaps more close to the size of some of her statue depictions), she would be too large for the doors of her own chambers. So, yeah - we have multiple cases of human sized people guaranteed visiting the Cathedral: Solaire, Siegmeyer, and Lautrec for one, but also the Darkmoon Knightess and (by dialogue implication) Andre of Astora. Countless others before and after have walked Anor Londo's streets and paths. For those curious about Andre being in Anor Londo: in DS3, Andre implies to have personally met the Blacksmith Giant long ago; I would believe then that he was either a visitor or a former citizen of Anor Londo, since gods can indeed turn Undead. Andre most likely was there during a time of peace, since he adamantly refuses to go out adventuring anywhere away from where he can continue smithing away. Anyway, back to "Ornstein's elevator" - Ornstein looks like he could certainly use it if he hunched over a bit, but it's more likely that "Smough's elevator" is intended for him instead. The idea here is that one elevator is for humans and human-sized beings, while the other is meant to be used by giants and larger gods. Ornstein's more human size means that, in lore, he probably could use the human elevator, but he probably just uses whichever one is closer and able to fit him. Smough, meanwhile, would only use the giant elevator.
Greetings, zule, can you check out the hotbox of the executioners chariot's horse in ds2? Specifically the one in the castle. I was playing a hexer recently and found something about it that you might find funny.
this is canon in my opinion, even in the city of the gods youre gonna get some bumps in the road during municipal planning. im sure some guy on the jobsite knew this was gonna happen too but he wasnt getting paid enough to bother to delay the project even further just to adjust a foot or two on clearance for a secondary elevator when the other one is big enough for anything
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That's why Orn jumps down
He does that every time
Yeah but how does he get back up tho?
@@petrkuklinek5222 Smoughs elevator is literally right there
@@v-ia he jumps back up.
@@v-ia he also jumps up
@@v-ia he jumps up
Deep lore: Ornstein has to ride up the elevator with Smough. Smough doesn’t mind, but Ornstein always quietly grumbles about his elevator being too small.
D E E P E S T L O R E
That's cute
Gotta write this down
Gwyn: So what happened to the weight-loss program pamphlets I've been giving you?
Ornstein: Well, I gave them all to Smough, but he doesn't get the hint.
Gwyn: ...
Ornstein: ...what?
Gwyn: ...those were for you.
Ornstein: ... WHAT!?
"Brother, you an always take off the helmet-"
"If I wanted to take off my helmet yes I would take off my helmet but you don't have to take off any part of your armor to fit into your elevator so why should I have to take off my helmet to fit into my elevator and also-"
"Ok, Ornstein, forget I said anything"
I love how Zullie's videos can range from highly sophisticated memory analysis to near shitposting whilst always being great and curated nonetheless.
You're shitposting.
What is that a problem? is this as an absolute win!
That's the exact reason why i subscribed.
The range 😭
Limit breakers: not bad, kid
I tried all sorts of stuff to get Ornstein into his elevator. Not even his spear dash can squeeze him in.
The question we have to face now is, what if it was never even his elevator to begin with?
That's why later on he left Anor Londo. He felt like he didn't get the respect he was owed!
It seems a bit excessive to build your entire cathedral's transport system specifically for two guys you hired.
I always figured they were more like "puny human elevator" and "Giant Awesome God Monster Elevator!"
Which leads to this question : can Ornstein & Smough fit in the big elevator at the same time ?
Anor Londo seems to be constructed for both humans and giants/lords, like the stairs at the front of the Cathedral. I don't think the elevators are just for Ornstein and Smoug, but rather one size for humans and the other for lords
I allways thought that the small elevator was for "human size" and the big one was for "god size" creatures
This would explain why Ornstein doesn't fit in the small door
Humans don't live in anor londo.
@@prawngravy18 what's all the human sized furniture for then?
@@prawngravy18 there are human sized stairs everywhere though
@@prawngravy18 "Human size"
@@prawngravy18 There are still the almost human-sized Black Knights tho, so there must have been a race of human-sized people living in Anor Londo, explaning the living quarters being made for human size.
Please tell me Smough left a note saying "Fatty!" for poor Ornstein.
Ornstein takes the stairs, only reason hes not fat
Try beanpole
"look who's talking"
- letter left for smough
Smough is in no position to fatshame
@@vit968 But you know he'd do it anyway.
The fact that smough can use his own and not ornstein is shocking.
He actually can but the hitbox is fucked
I was going to describe it as hilarious.
All he'd really need to do is duck his head down a bit, as a tall person myself you get used to it.
That's why Ornstein is fat. He never has to use the stairs
@@absantos I think you meant to say Smough?
Smough: Hey sweet, we get our own elevators!
Ornstein: Oh…that’s ni-… *sigh*
Smough: What’s wrong?
Ornstein: This elevator was made with Artorias’ proportions.
Ha!
Smough: "You look sad, something wrong?"
Ornstein: "I can't fit into my damn elevator"
Smough: "Don't be sad. You can use mine if you like"
Orsntein: "Will do, thanks buddy"
Friendship 100
And then an hour later, Smough crushes Ornstein with his hammer without a second thought.
@@ohyoo1208friendship 0
Smough internally: “aight good. This little act of kindness justifies my contingency plan of smashing him into ground beef for a supercharge if he falls.”
@@ohyoo1208 he was upset because Ornstein is Gwynevere favorite, so he gets to spend more time with her.
So that's why he jumps down from the balcony when we enter the boss room! Another lore secret revealed after years of speculation!
He jumps down because there had to be fog gates in front of the elevators, that's why smough is already in there, it wouldn't work for them to come out of a fog gate, nothing to do with lore, just game design choices due to practicality.
@@prawngravy18 actually no , fog gate can disappear during cutscenes
@@prawngravy18 I wasn't truly expecting the lore to take into account Ornstein being too fat to ride an elevator, my comment was just a joke haha
D E E P L O R E
@@Gorecatto give me 1 example.
Gwynevere: "Boys, I am still waiting for someone to help me with this new bra."
Ornstein and Smough: "Believe us, we are making every effort to get there."
Little did they know that Gwynevere was just Gwyndolin's Vtuber Avatar.
and Little did Smough know that Ornstien was also Gwyndolin's Vtuber Avatar.
@@redgeoblaze3752 "Gwynevere was just gwyndolin's vtuber avatar". Never thought i'd read that phrase but i am grateful
The most likely scenario is that the cathedral wasn't created with ornstein and smough in mind. The actual purpose of the elevators was probably for the use of lords and humans. You can even see earlier the steps leading up anor Londo have two step heights as if to accommodate two average heights.
Or maybe it's just that Ornstein's hitbox is bigger than it's visual, as can clearly be seen by the fact that litteraly nothing stops him from entering
The attention to environment design in DS is just bananas.
@@timotheebrasseur6188 I mean there's a chance but it's not likely lol
@@lolmaomgoml you can physically see it in the video 💀
It's referenced in the lore about the big elevator being used by the gods and the small one by their pets
It's funny how ornstein is casually walking to get to the elevator, and when he tries to reach gwynevere he starts to run.
He's like, "My princess! I- I can't fit into your room, your highness!"
Truly, a tragedy for this knight.
Can't reach the amazing chest ahead :(
@Grakata nope,then he would do a friendly sparring with Smough
The ultimate simp : He will fight to the death for (the illusion of) a woman he will never reach
@@Furlic. Uh, ew?
What's bothering me with this is that Ornstein can fit into his elevator and through Gwynever's chamber door but either his collision box (if there is such a thing) or his hitbox doesn't allow it. What a bummer.
Yeah. If he was "real," he could definitely just slouch a bit and sidle in there.
@@Jesse__H I don't think he even needs to slouch, even the hair can pass through, and the spear is also low when he moves so it's all the hitbox fault
His massive Delts make it hard
Now I have to imagine them both awkwardly squeezing into the one elevator... Smoughs belly would probably crush Ornstein against the wall like Ridley in a Metroid boss battle
Ridley? Or Kraid?
Fun note on that? Smough is apparently nothing but pure muscle under that armor.
Which of them is Rei and which is Asuka?
Awkwardly? They'd be fighting each other.
"The Princess called me First!"
"No she called me First!"
I require some fan art of this right now D:
I like to think that in some reality, Smough jumps down, and Ornstein takes Smough's elevator slowly and anticlimactically
Epic.
Imagine him shattering the floor underneath only for Ornstein to walk out of the elevator and share a look of cringe with the player character?
So that's why Smough kills him in the 2nd phase cutscene: he was tired of sharing his lift!
@@luxinvictus9018 well, if you look closely during the cutscene, Ornstein's fingers move a bit just before Smough crushes him with his hammer. This could imply that he was still alive, even just a little, which would mean he was technically killed by Smough. It could also just be final death twitches, though. Nobody knows for sure whether Smough dealt the final blow or not.
@@luxinvictus9018 I mean Smough sure gets the finishing blow
@@calamari_genie well ds3 throws the whole debate away and just says Ornstein in the cathedral was an illusion and Smough just absorbed its power
nah you kill him smough _slaughters_ him like soul ripped asunder type shi that's why you only get one soul
@@dungeaterfancam DS3 throws everything away.
I love the visual where if Ornstein didn't jump after you enter the boss room, he just patiently waits for Smaugh's elevator to come back up so he can take it down. That would set a very different tone for the fight 😆
They have to share an elevator and now that’s canon Souls lore. I love this channel.
Always thought Ornstein might be too thicc
No he is optimally thicc
That's just his metal fursuit.
@@JohanKylander but the back of his pants is not armored, clearly because his massive butt already absorbs all the attacks
@@dungeaterfancam I laughed so hard at this
@@JohanKylander metal fursuit lmao. That's one way to describe his armor set lol.
The walk of shame to Smough's elevator is priceless.
I never thought it was separate elevators for O+S, I thought it was separate for the "human race" and "god race", for want of better terms. O+S are both god race and would use the big elevator, while human sized peeps like chosen undead and others would use the baby elevator.
I think the same
How are they god race lmao, they serve the gods for sure, but they are not god race.
@@petrkuklinek5222 fuck if I know, they certainly aren't humans tho
@@petrkuklinek5222 What? gods are a race in dark souls, everyone around gwyn was a god, ornstein and smough are gods, no humans lived in anor londo, they were cast away to different parts of the world due to being hollow. Watch the intro to dark souls 1 or just play any of the games and you can find that out real quick.
you think worthless humans would have their own elevator to gaze upon amazing chest ahead?
The architects must’ve felt super ashamed after Ornstein showed them that his specially made elevator doesn’t work for him. I guess he and Smough just squeeze into his elevator to get up to Gwynevere. That must be pretty awkward.
I adore this community, always making entertaining content based on a decade old game
Yeah, this game is eternal.
The title card reminded me of a goosebumps book that scared the shit out of me as a small child, so thanks for that XD
Is it "Stay Out of the Basement"? Cause that's what it kinda makes me think of
reminded me of goatse
@@calamari_genie elevator to nowhere.
As evidenced by the front steps that lead to the Grand Cathedral (big steps in the middle for Lords/Giants and little steps at the 2 sides for humans), Anor Londo seems to have been built to accommodate Lords and Humans. So the two elevators is probably something similar, the elevator on the right is for Lords (and their kin) and the elevator on the left is for humans.
I love the amount of detail put into this game
and they still are inconvinient, because designer couldn't think of a lever system
@@sakesaurus Maybe the guy who designed them wasn't a god of lever systems.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 it works on a gargantuan stairwell elevator a meter from these, but I guess this would be too much trouble
Seriously how does transmission to over like a 100m tall spinny building work? shits magic
Everytime I see this I remember the scene in Lion King 1/2 when Pumba makes them two nest beds for each of their respective sizes and Timon immediately calls dibs on the big one, and Pumba just goes with it.
Reminds me of the many "Fatty" messages I've seen close to tight spaces.
I say this all the time but it just gets more and more true as the videos come out. This channel is consistently one of the best on the platform. Keep up the amazing work, it's always entertaining and interesting!
0:45 - Ha, no illussy for you, bruv!
I have never played a souls or souls like game, these videos are highly entertaining for some reason. I'm in love with this channel lately
The two elevators thing always reminds me of a story about when Isaac Newton invented the cat flap. His cat later had kittens, so he made a second, smaller cat flap for them to use. He then felt like an idiot when the kittens all followed their mother through the big flap.
I never noticed the elevators being each one's size, how cute.
The most important question for these two
Such an underrated channel. Im always entertained while learning near-useless factoids about my love-child of a game.
The channel is doing really well, what part of it is under rated? the fuck.
I always figured it wasn't one elevator for each of them, it was a large elevator for the god race and a small one for human worshipers, just like the stairs outside.
It looks like Ornstein’s plume is what stops him from entering the elevator. This man chose fashion over being able to walk through doors.
I guess we’ll just never know if Smough can make it into Gwynevere’s chambers
There is something so incredibly unsatisfying that Smough can use the elevator but Ornstien can't. Love your videos Zulie, thanks for doing what you do.
Huh. After all these years, it never once occurred to me that those elevators were meant for them.
Looks like there's been a Loss of Judgement for Ornstein
DOOR STUCK! DOOOOR STUCK!
-Ornstein
PLEASE! *I BEG YOU!!*
@@chompythebeast WE'RE DEAD
OUTTA MY WAY SON!
HAHAHAHAHA
Can't make it.
Can't make it the shit's stuck.
I dunno why people just assumed 2 security guards had their own personal elevator.
I always assumed it was one for large gods and another for regular humans and smaller than average gods. The even larger gods would be powerful enough to not need an elevator.
The image of Ornstein posted up outside of a door as it opens by itself is one of the funniest things I've seen in a bit.
Imagine always having amazing chest ahead but never being able to reach it. No wonder the guy's jumpy.
Ornstein trying to enter Gwynevere’s chamber: “Sealed by the Great Lord’s Power”
0:24 every Asian parent when their kid gets an B instead of an A+
Smough: "i think you need to lose some weight my friend, you can't even go through that door"
It's likely that the big elevator was for the the larger members of anor londo such as o&s,artorias,and the Giants while the smaller one was for gwyn,gwyndolin,the silver knights and humans who wanted an audience with gwyneveir
I can’t be the only one who heard BOARD THE PLATFORMS and the PING sound each time they stepped on the elevator
An unexpected puzzle piece of my life has just fallen into place, leaving me more complete as a person than before
Nice to see that in-universe they can do all of that because as anyone who's tall knows having to lean forward to not hit your head in doorways is quite common. Also ornstein would just open the doors more.
No idea why the melee targets music works so well for this but it just does in the perfect way
To be fair, even Gwynevere probably can't make it into her own chambers.
Poor Ornstein, can’t go into his elevator and can’t see big booba.
I mean... he still can look from outside...
Well, he can kinda see the booba. He'd be able to see it more clearly if he'd picked up the binoculars, but I can't expect Ornstein to know where they are; I assume there's no internet in Anor Londo.
He can always look at Smough's boobas
Why do you think he left and got replaced by an illusion?
he also didnt even open the doors all the way lmao, Zullie did the boy wrong and only let him peek in
the thumbnail is terrifying
Ornstein: doesn't fit through doors
Me: "Open them fully you jackass!"
This is the best explanation for ornstein departure, he was fed up with his elevator XD
Hey Zullie! Did you ever notice, in Ds1, wearing Artorias’ helm, the player’s face is moved up to the ‘hood’ of the helmet? Which is interesting because this causes the player’s actual face to ‘elevate’ from its original position in order to fit the helmet.
This channel just kills it every time.
No reason to even bother checking if Smough could get into Gwyneveres chambers, he prefers being at the Gay Undeadburg anyways.
I hadn't even thought of the fact that those were their elevators, I always thought, "why are these 2 elevators here anyway and why are they different sizes?!?"
I'm no genius when it comes to Souls lore, but figuring out that the elevators are for humans and giants made me proud. Then again, I figured it out after first seeing Smough's elevator, because I had always used the one on the left and assumed they were the same.
I legit never even noticed they were different until like my 4th playthrough. Like you, i ALWAYS went left for some reason.
This is why Ornstein left Anor Londo; he couldn't get inside to see Amazing Chest Ahead.
Ornstein leaving a message outside the door:
tight spot ahead therefore can't praise the chest :(
By the grace of Gwyn, somehow Ornstein is the fat one...
I appreciate Ornstein's refusal to sully his image by ducking to get into his elevator.
Although he could definitely push those doors open further at the end.
the thumbnail is terrifying and I am 100% here for it
"heeere's Orny!"
The small one is designed for humans and the big one is for giants, they aren't elevators specifically for O&S, both of them would have probably used the big one given that Ornstein is larger than a normal human.
I've never realized until now that they had their own elevators made for them specifically...
Imagine a Melee mod that replaces Popo & Nana with Ornstein & Smough
Poor Ornstein...
His elevator is too small for him.
His leader disappears to nowhere.
And he gets hammer slammed.
Give the guy a break for once!
I feel like much of the Dark Souls community is quite possibly extremely misguided.
I believe that "Ornstein's elevator" was never intended for Ornstein specifically. The Cathedral of Gwynevere is a place of worship, so whether god or human, visitors would most likely travel there in pilgrimage.
Consider this: in Anor Londo, the staircases often accomodate humans too. For example, the stairs leading up to the Cathedral main gate is sized for giants, but on either flank, they're sized for humans. Numerous doorways are similarly also sized for humans; the wrought iron gated on either side of the cathedral's main doors are enormous, but at the bottom, there are also human-sized gates too.
The misconception is that _only_ Gods existed in Anor Londo. The city is a capital of a kingdom - a kingdom wherein the majority of the population varies massively in size. Therefore, Anor Londo was built to be accomodating to the majority of Lordran's citizens.
There's also the distinct possibility to consider that the Cathedral was built after Gwyn left, for the sole purpose of puppeteering the Undead. Why would Gwynevere let herself be trapped in a room she cannot walk out of? At the size that Gwyndolin's illusion depicts, Gwynevere couldn't leave those chambers due to how comparatively small the doors are. Even if Gwynevere is smaller (perhaps more close to the size of some of her statue depictions), she would be too large for the doors of her own chambers.
So, yeah - we have multiple cases of human sized people guaranteed visiting the Cathedral: Solaire, Siegmeyer, and Lautrec for one, but also the Darkmoon Knightess and (by dialogue implication) Andre of Astora. Countless others before and after have walked Anor Londo's streets and paths.
For those curious about Andre being in Anor Londo: in DS3, Andre implies to have personally met the Blacksmith Giant long ago; I would believe then that he was either a visitor or a former citizen of Anor Londo, since gods can indeed turn Undead. Andre most likely was there during a time of peace, since he adamantly refuses to go out adventuring anywhere away from where he can continue smithing away.
Anyway, back to "Ornstein's elevator" - Ornstein looks like he could certainly use it if he hunched over a bit, but it's more likely that "Smough's elevator" is intended for him instead. The idea here is that one elevator is for humans and human-sized beings, while the other is meant to be used by giants and larger gods. Ornstein's more human size means that, in lore, he probably could use the human elevator, but he probably just uses whichever one is closer and able to fit him. Smough, meanwhile, would only use the giant elevator.
Wow, I always sort of half wondered why one elevator was bigger than the other but didn't realize the obvious here. Neat.
Greetings, zule, can you check out the hotbox of the executioners chariot's horse in ds2? Specifically the one in the castle. I was playing a hexer recently and found something about it that you might find funny.
Zullie, please keep doing what you do. I look forward to it every day
fatty
watching this stirred something in my cold, decrepit heart. congratulations
Always such good music used in these
Man those melee effects,miss that game great video
Orstein stuck trying to get into Gwynevere's chambers makes me think of that "Weakness: Fatty" message people leave in the Depths
this is canon in my opinion, even in the city of the gods youre gonna get some bumps in the road during municipal planning. im sure some guy on the jobsite knew this was gonna happen too but he wasnt getting paid enough to bother to delay the project even further just to adjust a foot or two on clearance for a secondary elevator when the other one is big enough for anything
So that's why Ornstein had the plume removed from his helmet, it kept getting stuck on low doorways.
Heh.
That's a surprisingly entertaining video for sure
Now im not surprise he left in search for his former master thou
I didn’t even know that those elevators were intended for Ornstein and Smough. I learn a new thing about this game every day.
I see that the thumbnail is Ornstein trying to open a lift but it looking like a spider with Ornstein's head and I can't unsee it now.
“Noooooo I’m finally big enough enough to make an impact but now I can’t fit through the door!”
The questions we all didn’t know we needed answered
That is the most terrifying thumbnail I've ever seen.
This was wonderful. Made my day
Right when I think I understand the lore of this game, you come in like wrecking ball
Lol! It never even crossed my mind that this was the reason there were two different elevators.
Them having their own elevators makes me think of a Adam West Batman style tv show with them as main characters
In the mason's defence, you are bound to look shorter than you are when you stand next to Smough all the time.
I like to imagine something like this:
"Well, who said anything about elevators?"
*Proceeds to jump out of the window*
be wary of beanpole, so to speak no amazing chest ahead
these are the more pressing questions in my life and i have no regrets
Y'know, it never even occurred to me that these elevators were specifically designed for them.
the lore implications here are incredible