The Lost Primarchs: A History (Warhammer & Horus Heresy Lore)
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2018
- Being a record of the lost and purged, the forgotten Primarchs of the Imperium of Man.
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Big E: "We don't talk about them."
Custodes: "Yes, but why not my lord?"
Big E: *"BECAUSE WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM."*
"Yay."
Dadornable.
They talked about "Fight Club"
I think I speak for all of your subscribers when I say- thank YOU from the bottom of our hearts. Your work is incredible.
Agreed!
POETRY IN ACTION.
Redwolf Dogrocket I would dearly love to see an episode about Malcador on this channel. It would be amazing, to say the least (Malcador is my favorite Heresy-era character). I’m excited every single time I see a notification for a new episode here, but I’ll be Extra Super Excited if I ever see one that focuses on The Sigillite. Here’s hoping!
You do speak for me at least
I wish he'd turn down the music, tbh
The Lord of the Rings as "an ancient Terran mythic cycle" within Warhammer 40000 universe? I like the idea!
The Voynich Manuscript is actually referenced as an ancient Terran manuscript in 40k lore too. I've always loved the little callbacks to things from our time.
Missed the reference ;(
The founders were super fans of tolkien so it's super apt
Maybe they were emperor forbid... Pacifist 😂
More information has surfaced about what the lost Primarch's crime was. In newly discovered lore, Malcador admits to Guillium that he alone was responsible for 'dealing' and then 'erasing' the two. For their crime threated everything, from the Great Crusade to what fundamentally the EoM was trying to do for humanity. But Malcador also confirms what many have suspected even then, Malcador was going to execute the remaining/surviving Astartes of the 2nd and 11th legions. But Guillium and Dorn successfully petitioned the EoM to spare them, for they committed no crime. Suggesting that the rumors about the sudden increase in size of the Ultramarines right before the Horus Heresy was because they did absorbed the remaining/surviving Astarts of the 2nd and 11th legions was true. But it also suggests so did the Imperial Fists, it was just the most apparent in the Ultramarines.
Honored Remembrancer, when first I listened to this record, I worried about your health. Only when the subject matter became clear did the frailty in your voice reveal not sickness, but terror at the edge of heresy you walked. We are humbled that you think us strong enough in the Emperor's Service to hear this history.
All Glory to
His name!!
Praise the Emperor for giving us such a historian as this one, for he would walk to the edge of Heresy himself so that the Emperor's holy song could be sung!
So glad about the implication that the narrator is Guilliman's remembrancer. These are a masterwork, no need to thank us when you earned the following through good work
I’ve been thinking about this a lot, and you’ve aligned information for me quite clearly.
I’m quite convinced that one was afflicted by the Rangdan cerebvores, bodies becoming not their own, but their minds and voice may still have be loyal, which made the task of the Space Wolves putting them down utterly, and completely, a tragedy. Such a flaw could never risk being known.
But when you said “innocent” in describing the other, something I never knew, it became clear to me, it was suicide.
The far flung future is a grimdark place, suffering is at an almost insurmountable level within the imperium, yet suicide is a gaping hole, and I don’t mean suicide from failure, I mean suicide from depression, suicide from having an existential reckoning with the reality of the galaxy.
Grimdark is a place where innocence can’t survive.
Both of these are tragic deaths, turning from the emperor, but in ways you can never have any contempt for them.
I think with recent revelations of Subject 11 being beneath the Imperial Palace, I want to say suicide is unlikely, but entirely possible. Perhaps his corpse being down there, suicide from the mutations, the abject horror he was experiencing as he traversed the galaxy.
@@DemigodoftheSea
the
WHAT??
The Cain & Abel story came to mind when he mentioned the one being innocent & the other a probable asshole.
maybe they killed each other? maybe it was a gene defect that the cerebvores took advantage of?
who knows.. but thinking about such a great mystery is enjoyable.
"We do not talk about them."
"Yes, but why not, my Lord?"
*"BECAUSE WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT THEM"*
- trying to block screen -" NOTHING TO SEE HERE we aren't supposed to talk about them !"
You remember me, don’t bloody look away.
sigmar heldenhammer don't you have some souls to hammer into space marines or something ?
Fucking damnit Sanguinius.
Just how long do you plan to keep their true fate a secret?
Sooner or later the information will leak.
Brother. I’m still around. As you can see there’s still some knowledge of me floating around. YOU’LL NEVER ERASE ME CHICKEN WINGS!
@@thesecondprimarch7694 😳😵
you have a very different way of doing lore and I truly like it. In fact you are one of the few youtubers that make me want to listen to their interpretations of lore even if I've heard it elsewhere. The fact that you do all these as an in universe character is great and for that devotion to character you deserve more subs, let alone how good you are at explaining lore.
Thanks so much for the kind words man :) these mean the world!
@@OculusImperia I 'ad me Mekboyz tap inna da humie channelz jus' so's I could listen ter ye prattle. Good job, guv'na, I 'ad no idea humie history 'ad so much fightin' in, WAAAGH heh heh
Oculus Imperia. Setting the Gold standard for lore videos. None can come close to the level of detail you put into your videos!
The Emperor has truly blessed us with a fine Remembrancer.
One interesting thing is that the other Primarchs cannot remember their names. Apparently, all of them have met them at least once, Horus surely spent a decent chunk of time with them and should remember who they are, yet their faces and names cannot be grasped. There's a psychic lock enforced on anyone who might leak their existence and it seems to be the case even after ten thousand years, and there's only person who can do that... the Emperor is STILL censoring the existence of the Lost Primarchs even as he sits rotting and dying on his death throne.
Wonder what would happen when he dies, would people suddenly realize it is weird the II and the XI Legion don't exist? Would the still existing Primarchs suddenly remember them in full?
Corax never met them
Malcador's reply to Dorne, oddly enough, gives me the impression those two primarchs lost to redaction are in fact alive. The order to forget the possibilty of their aid against Horus implies they could have provided it. I wonder if they were exiled for some major failure outside of the universe itself, perhaps given a penitive order to bring the Truth beyond its boundaries
Intresting theory! Personally I think they killed to keep the Emperors lie alive.
@@Duppyman695 That would be very odd if so. The remaining primarchs were ignorant of chaos and the warp, so the two could not have fallen like those who did in the Heresy, and even those who transgressed against the Truth were not totally redacted like the two lost primarchs.
Interesting that many of the primarchs feel a real mix of emotions at the abandonment of their brother's memory. We know Lorgar, in some way is responsible for the death of one of them. We also know Horus, Magnus, Alpharius, Lorgar and even some of the loyal primarchs, like Guilliman, are bitter over the treatment of their lost brothers memory. Horus comes to blows with Malcador over this.
So it's interesting to me that the brothers feel differently to seemingly the rest of the imperium.
"I can feel it in the earth i can see it in the water. I can smell it in the air..." Aeldari Seer of Crafworld Loth Lorien. Hehehe
Me: listens to this audio log. Inquisition:Inquisition open up
The Lost Primarchs can only be unlocked by beating the Great Crusade on the hardest difficulty and without The Emperor of Man's assistance at the Battle of Ullanor. You'll unlock two hidden worlds and from there find the two Lost Primarchs and get the secret ending to the Horus Heresy.
Is this the ending where vulkan has everyone over for cake and fulgrim demands a bake off?
Or was that the Christmas day ending?
Ave Imperator, Gloria in Exelcis Terra
Ave!
Ave!
Ave!
In one of the books, Leman Rus said it was the "Great Tragedy". I only wonder why the Emperor and Malcador didn’t like to talk about the loss of these two? Maybe because they were guilty of it and were ashamed
Maybe they were killed by Xenos after landing on Xenos Worlds?
They were. No one is really happy about having to expunge the two. Especially the Emperor and Malcador I assume as they've both shown immense love for the Primarchs
@@ironduke5058 One was lost to the Rangda, and the the other to mutation.
@@stevemanart Those are theories, no one knows what happened.
@@ironduke5058 It's scholarly extrapolation that has a far stronger basis than what you said. Additionally, I was exposded to the because it is the pet theory of both Rick Priestly (the creator of the space marines in an IRL sense) and Gav Thorpe (another person who helped create 40k and was the lead loresmith on the rebuild of the setting for 3e).
By the Emperor, this is probably your best video so far and definitely the best video on account of Lost Primarchs!
The narrative, the tone, the roleplaying (as historitor-investigator allowed by Lord Regent to explore on this matter), the information, all awesome!
The Emperor Provides!!
I like the theory that one of them, possibly the Lost (the 2nd Legion) disappeared into the Hadex Anomaly and since its a temporal anomaly they could come back in the closing days of the war for the galaxy and we could see all of the Primarchs reunited somehow
Nice mention of The Rangdan Xenocide. It's one of the best event snippets of the Great Crusade era.
YOU are the one putting in blood, sweat. and tears, not us subscribers. It's us that should be thanking you
Outside a few subscribers pitching a few dollars on Patreon, this is ALL YOU, Oculus.
We humble Subscribers are just pleased we get to be along for the ride. Getting to enjoy the fruits of YOUR masterful command of writing, acting, and the labor. of love you pour into this channel.
For me, the most amusing part about the 2d and 11th are their oldest designer's notes. 20 groups of Marines, half loyal, half rebels, with 9 paint schemes for each side. Oh, the missing ones? Those are for gamers to make their own homebrew paint jobs, one for each side. From that simple GW decision, all of this speculation comes.
What I couldn't understand there was making a chapter under either legion and then the whole weight of the 9 legions/chapters and their descendents coming after your freshly painted miniatures and held to repent by a standard human Inquisitor🤷♂️
I shall now proceed with putting my fingers in my ears and loudly singing praises to the Emperor.
Indeed, that was a good call, loyal citizen. He even listed Lorgar among the traitor primarchs! The author of our most revered holy text! My local priest of the Saviour Emperor already has me doing penance for even having heard this blasphemy, and has passed a report along to his superiors.
I've always thought that they were irrevocably damaged or taken over by enslavers. It would explain why they aren't hated, but lamented and why Russ is theorized to have fought other Legions.
Considering that their surviving legions were rumored to have been folded into the Ultramarines, implies that something bad happened, but it wasn't something that effected the entirety of either legion.
The II Primarch was the 3rd found. Horus first his Warmaster to be, Russ 2nd his executioner, then II. He filled his most important roles you could argue. One to lead his armies and the next to be the sanction held over Primarch. What was the next role...3rd longest in time with the Emperor. The theories can get soooo good. Great stuff!! Love your vids!
I feel like the Blood Ravens are the leftovers of one of the 2 lost primarchs
@@freerichie25 The Blood Ravens are probably Thousand Sons descendents.
@@jonathangrafton4016 This. The Blood Ravens are very likely Thousand Sun loyalists who didn't join the rest of their brethren when they rebelled.
Loved it.... I love the way facts are dragged up from the depths and still the adept sounds vague and quite worried he may get caught. This is why I support you through Patreon. Fantastic as always!
Thank you so much for the support and the love!
Finding this channel today after bleeding Arch and Baldermort and Leutin dry has been a fantastic win. Fellow Irish man too.
Damn 13:00 ... I never realized how HUGE the Primarchs were. The servitor standing next to Hawk Boi is just dwarfed by his size
Robert Deskins i thought it was more along the lines of
Tall human male: ~6ft
Astartes: ~8ft
Primaris: ~9ft
Primarch: ~10-12ft
Vulcan: ~14ft
Dam that intro,
You get 40K man
The passion that shines through in your work is just incredible my friend.
Warhammer 40k is truly the best fictional mythology by far,for so many reasons that can be listed in a single comment.Again though thank you and I am just in awe of your talent and passion.
The Emperor Protects!
Oh it’s you. Hey Bat’s. You still kicking. Me Horus and 11 are planning a big tea party with Malal and the squats In the retconian. Wanna come?
Dude im blown away by the effort, dedication, and research you put in your videos.
At 12:52, do you think Malcador misspoke, or it was deliberate phrasing?
Dorn muses (in response to having 13 Primarchs remaining loyal) "Would that it were fifteen,"
And Malcador replies:
"Do not even think it, my friend," Malcador warns. "They are lost to us forever."
Why would Malcador need to "warn" Dorn of anything if nothing could be done about it? He's not condemning the thought of two dead brothers, he's warning against Dorn thinking about having two more Primarchs in the field.
Also, not "Dead," or "Gone," he specifically says "Lost" and "Forever." As if something could happen to change that in the future. If they were truly dead wouldn't Malcador simply say "They are lost to us."
It implies heavily that the Lost Two are not actually dead, and both Dorn and Malcador know their location, and that it may be possible to retrieve them.
Begs the question then, if what they did wasn't bad enough to warrant death but some sort of exile, what exactly did they do then to warrant a complete silence about who they were? If it's so bad that no one talks about them, surely they would have been executed?
@@MrFredstt well, there are the skulls carved with II and XI on Malcador's throne...
Specifically, Malcador's warning is against *thinking* of the return of the Lost Primarchs.
This implies far more than the possibility that the Lost Primarchs are alive. This implies that thinking about them or especially about their return is by itself sufficient to risk undoing the Edict of Obliteration and suffering whatever consequences the Edict was meant to prevent.
This implies either that the original powers of the Primarchs (or whatever they became) is based in the knowledge other sapient beings have of them, or that the threat they pose to the Imperium can only be staved off by near-absolute ignorance of them. The intersection of the Lost Primarchs with the mystery at the core of the Rangdan Xenocides leads me to believe that the Xenocides either revealed that the Lost held psychic powers previously unknown to the Emperor, or that the Xenocides somehow transformed them into some kind of universal psychic threat.
@@nrais76 guys are in the Warp.
For what it's worth, there is a Subject XI in the Custodes vaults. Prior to them being scattered by Chaos and named, all of the Primarchs were called "Subject" followed by their future legion's number. It's also mentioned that all of these cells need to be warded and escape is always a threat. My head canon is that the 11th Primarch knew and understood Chaos prior to the Emperor finding him. The Emperor forced him to swear himself to silence, one that was broken. Once it was broken, he was recalled to Terra and thrown in a cell. He was forgotten during the Horus Heresy, and the death of Malcador as well as Emperor being put on the Throne, no one knew he was there save for the Custodes.
One was assimilated by the Rangda along with his whole legion. The other utterly succumbed to mutation and madness with his legion along with him.
You are a great story teller (no mean feat), who so obviously does more than read from a sheet of collated data.
I can't speak for others but that's why i come here.
- From a new subcriber :)
Thanks a mil. The script was somewhat tough to write this time around, only hope it's not a mess to the ears!
Bump for the Rememberier . May his Subscriber reach 40k ! Likes for the Likesgod
@@OculusImperia It's the kind of topic that even the chosen remembrancer of the Lord Regent would find difficult to speak around. That you found it tough to write out of character as well is strangely appropriate.
100 thousand subs, you will get there!
I hope so! The give you TROPHIES!
These mean so much too me. Possibly too much. Thank you.
Great work as always.
Also, probably one of the best unknown parts of the 40k lore.
Especially with how much recent lore has been added due to the Horus heresy novels. In which some of the novels come so close to mentioning something about the lost Primarchs, but still give us nothing.
current theories:
the two killed each other
the 2nd convinced the 11th to join him in doing something stupid
they had horrific gene-seed defections and had to be erased so the emperor could save face (the 2nd's flaw seemed to be a total lack of empathy)
2 is Malal.his legion fell to chaos to fight it. He became a wsrp entity and they became the Legion of the Damned. 12 got to cozy with xenos , perhaps during the Ragdan Xenocides
Perhaps they contested one of the xenocides. Perhaps one was initiated by the imperium, and never needed to be fought. And, Perhaps one or both defected without any Chaotic influence, and were then purged.
@@totallynotalpharius2283 In theory, Legion of the Damned are dead astartes merged with...something. Some kind of warp entities that seem to be a manifestation of the Emperor's will. They came into being as soon as he sat on the Golden Throne as angelic beings of fire, and some as flaming shadows vaguely resembling space marines. Over the milennia, apparently Emps has refinced the process, merging these flaming spirits with actual dead space marine souls, or perhaps using the souls as raw material. (In fact, perhaps the II and/or XI ended up being prototype Legion of the Damned. Something useful to do with them if they were somehow trapped out of phase or in the warp.) Obviously, all in theory, however.
Or maybe it was a mix of all three and then number one of them started dicking around with Necron tech. You may never know. I’d tell you. But I’ve been stuck in the retconian for a while.
Wow! 10k subscribers! That is great. But not undeserved. Your channel is amazing. I watch your videos the second I see them. Your channel is gonna continue to grow and flourish if you keep putting out content like this. 😊
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Thank you so much, for the comment and the support!
Oculus Imperia you are most welcome. Your videos are inspirational to us youtube creators and hobbyists alike. 😊
Redwolf Dogrocket totally. In fact i know just the place to share it. 😊
Redwolf Dogrocket lol that cool. I am a big Arch fan too. I know he does devide opinion though.
For the record I've listened to your dulcet tones for probably around 400 nights of the last years. The ambience is perfect. The presentation is litterally the best of any 40k lore channel I'm subscribed to. Of which there are a dozen including 40k theory and 40 facts.
Yet these I listen to time and again. Baby geniusing myself with 40k lore before bed haha. Not to mention when someone gets into 40k this is the first place I send them. So much love my friend. This is exactly what I would want to create if I did it myself. So well researched. The information presented perfectly to mine ear... kitty attack and all ^.^
My favourite remains the video about old Earth but to be frank they are all amazing. Thank you a million for these. I've suffered from such bad insomnia my doctor gave me a lifetime script of sleeping pills. These videos have in actuality and litterally been a lifesaver to me. As sleeping pills shouldn't be taken every day, I'll often set up 3-4 videos. By the fourth I'm typically asleep and if not I'll just keep loading sets until I get there haha > . <
So again and finally... thank you. I am grateful beyond words and as soon as I'm back in better health will be jumping on that Patreon.
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Always brings a smile to my face.... that others want to change it?! Screw em all and let em grow up and step outta their comfort zones :P
It's good for them. 😈😇
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Genuine thanks for taking the time to show so much love here. This was absolutely heartwarming to read, and very affirming. Delighted you like the work so much!
Quoting LoTR when talking about 40K. Nerdery level: extreme. So awesome!
I’ve spent the better part of my weekend listening to your videos. Just utter peaceful, puts me in one the happiest places I could imagine - undoubtedly the best form of escapism. Thank you for sharing your Story Telling talent with us.
This series is amazing! I haven't actually played 40k in a decade, but still love the lore. I've been catching up with your series while driving and working, it's the perfect balance of knowledge and exposition.
My personal fanfiction is that the 2nd Primarch had a navigator third eye. He had by the time Emperor found him already started controling star systems around his home world. His legion specialized at ship combat and fast attack tactics. they were known for fighting any enemy with advanced space navies and being able to swiftly reinforce imperial campaigns. He was friends with Magnus , Jaghatai Khan and Dorn. He disliked Mortarion, Perturabo and Fulgrim. He and the Vast majority of his legion and fleet was lost in a huge warp storm (though his fleet would reappear flung into future as a games workshop event)
A year late to the party but I really like the idea of one of the lost Primarchs having been the Emperor experimenting with the Navi genes (alongside his own). That just seems to make a lot of sense. As does a Legion focused on/specialized in void combat.
Your work, attention to detail and overall presentation is second to none and I implore that you keep up your God Emperor favored work.
Not stopping anytime soon! Thanks for all the support :)
Ok thats the second lotr reference ive found...you sir are a diamond!
He finally mentioned the 20th Legion. So do Alpharius and Omegon get their own individual videos?
First off, huge congrats for the milestone! and I have to say that this is by far not only the absolute best warhammer lore channel, (the content and atmosphere allow no competitors) but one of the very best warhammer channels et al. I look forward to each episode like a favourite tv show. Carry on the smashing work!!
Know then, that this is the record of 10,000 subscribers. Congratulations.
Your videos are freaking Awesome. Thank you for the fantastic work.
It would be great if it's found that the 2nd Legion traveled through time to the future. If they pop out in M42 or M43, things could get interesting. The Ymga Monolith is very likely a space-time manipulating device.
Isn't it implied by someone that one of the missing legion was, partly or in whole, absorbed into the Ultramarines Legion, explaining why they were the largest Legion before the Heresy (when the Word Bearers Legion ramped up their recruitment to match their numbers)
@@Grubnar the author who wrote that has recently clarified it's not actually true because he was surprised to see so many fans accepting it as fact. Apparently he meant for it to be understood as a bs rumor being spread by a character with no idea what they were talking about
@@Baconomics1 So it WAS just a rumor. That clears that up. Thank you!
@@Baconomics1 yes, thank you. I had also heard that. Although from what I heard there still wasn't much to support it anyway, just that supposedly the XIII got real big real quick about the time the II and XI disappeared. Ultramar was also a huge recruiting ground, however, so I just figured it was coincidental.
Mmm. You’d think Games workshop would do somthing with that. But until then I’m stuck here. In the retconian. With Malal. And Horus. And the squats. Please for the love of all that’s sacred in this fucking galaxy get me out of here.
What a glorious narration Oculus.
Amazing job mate, as always. Keep going! This is just the beginning.
This is some real content! Love the narrative styling, takes a lore video like this to a whole other level.
The quality of your videos is astounding! I can't wait to see your popularity grow.
My head canon regarding the innocent primarch is that he truly was pure, with a simple life in a peaceful world. The Emperor came yo him and he agreed to go with Him once he outlived his loved ones. Yet, sometime before finding Angron, when the loved ones of the pure primarch died, he decided he could not or would not bear it and killed himself.
Maybe that is why he was erased from history and why the Emperor would treat Angron in a such uncaracteristic unfair way, because He simply could not loose another in such a short moment. If that were true, it would be a first instance of the Emperor's true love to His sons, which would make the doubt to kill Horus make more sense.
This video is fantastic, and as a whole your work has only gotten better since you started. Keep it up. Ave Imperator! Gloria, in excelcus Terra!
Wow, you're awesome at this. I hope your channel continues to grow. You're on a level with channels like Luetin, 40k Theories etc.
By FAR the best lore videos on youtube thank you for A-MAZING work!!!
Man I’ve only listened to the intro so far and wow, you’ve got me hooked with your speaking approval from me
Amazing work. I find this channel, well before 1k. You are one of the best 40k more channels in terms of quality. The art, music and not to be overly fawning by your voice-work is absolutely stellar quality.
Further, of those few that have attempted an in world perspective, I personally feel you are the first to be genuinely successful at it.
In short, you deserve every sub, and far more.
I've said it before, you do great work. I love the format and the "In character" presentation. Please keep it up.
Awesome. Almost a year since I last listened to this and still exceptional. Keep going. Brilliant stuff.
Nicely done sir, I love the tone with which you deliver your remembrancing: both lecture and impassioned, yet understated, sermon. Bravo.
Truly amazing work. The writing,, The editing, Your speech, The way you go into great detail about the lore and the dedication you put into this video was both incredible and inspiring. I admit that i never heard of this channel before this video but now that i have seen your well crafted content, it is obvious to me that you are truly passionate about what you both say and do. you most definitely deserve more subscribers and I hope you gain many more in time.
Thank you my friend
I found your channel just recently but man I LOVE your style. I love Arch, 40k Theories, and Luetin, but your angle is so unique and engrossing. Thank you for your work.
Outstanding video as always, thank you. (And congratulations on the sub milestone, Ave Imperator!)
I absolutely love your 3rd person imperial archivists role in making lore content. so passionate. also honest due to realism. I feel the same way with your lore vids as I do when I read ADB. Keep it up!
High praise indeed, thank you so much!
So good dude! You do such a great job with this, keep it up!
Great vid. Grats on 10k subs!
your work is amazing and I love all of your content, it has heart and emotion in it and it feels like you are invested in it and enjoying it. thank you for all your work
Congratulations Remembrancer ! The Warhammer 30k/40k community is taking note of your great work & it is assured that your subscriptions shall rise ever upward ....Ok, that was a fantastic topic to cover to celebrate 10k subscribers & to my knowledge is the best presentation of all the facts regarding the missing Primarchs. And for the fact that you continue in your style of presentation it is my ( & a lot of other viewers ) sincerest wish that GW put you on the payroll to make all your videos part of the canon, as it most certainly feels like it is every time you post a new video . TY for you splendid lore videos & I will await eagerly your next installment .
You need not thank us you are one of the best youtubers i have had the pleasure of watching keep it up
Congratulations on 10k subscribers! Keep up the great work!
This is WITHOUT a doubt my all time favorite vid. Your voice acting and script is beyond reproach.
Well done Sir
Thank you so much!
Your videos give me chills. Keep it up!
Yet another installment in awesome. Brilliant writing on a subject that gets little attention. Thank you for your work!
You, my good sir, have more so earned a subscriber than most I've listened to. This was beautiful. I loved it.
Thanks so much, and welcome aboard!
the answer is mutation, mutation so great that the big E struck them from record, not for their actions, but to hide the big E's on mistake.
or "mutation" in a sense that made better Marines, Xenos tec maybe? or it was something showing that Big E was not the best at the task of creating super soldiers
I'm thinking religion and some mutation to go along with it
@@TheCastle357 I'm going to add to the possibility of Ragdan biotech being involved.
Great video dude! Love the topic!
whom else relaxes with his vids even older ones? Sits warming up after spending all day in an unheated warehouse as i work with my indomitus sets.
You are one of the Top-3 Remembrancers on RUclips. Keep up the great work.
*sign of Aquila*
10/10, would commit heresy again
Thanks for this awesome video! Great job doing your own RP! Found this thanks to google recommendations on my phone and now I'm so happy!
Thanks so much, and welcome aboard!
This was just awesome. Thank you for this.
You forgot to mention the theory of how the Ultramarines grew to such a large size, that they possibly absorbed the remnants of one or both missing legions.
This is an excellent record, brother! You have earned another subscriber, and I shall pay tribute to your patreon. Ave Imperetor!
Thank you so much for the support! Welcome aboard :)
Welcome Back!! Ive missed your Content!! I say dont worry if someone already covered something I really like how you do these. Ill relisten and rewatch them all!! Keep it up!!
I have never played nor probably will every play the game, but these videos are great. I just enjoy the stories. Started reading books from the universe as a result. Good stuff
looking through your videos and i must say i do admire the way you present the info in universe while also showing some this universe perspective not by breaking character but by the arrangement and way of the presentation
Lorgar was forced to kill one for a reason close to his heart. The other was lost to the warp, memory erased and turned into a medieval Sigmar, know what I’m saying? Lol
Ehhh.. nice theory, but I started getting Visions of some catastrophe, Sooo... I went to the galactic north, meet the remnants of the old space slann empire to get some advanced tech for aiding the imperium, unfortunately a warp storm opened and trapped me and my legion with in a star system. And I’ve been stuck here since, the prayers of human inhabitants have sorta made me a god and I can’t decide how or when to return to the imperium.
Let me tell you this human, Abyss hides many things inside itself.
It is a gateway leading from two points in the materium, bending time and space to allow FTL travel.
But there is so much more to it.
It connects not only a single reality.
A single person can exist in a billion realms at the same time, being vastly diffrent, but still the same.
Such is the fate one of your primarchs is forced to endure.
I have been waiting for this!
Absolutely love your channel and content bro, hope you continue for a long time. You're doing the Emperor's work sir!
Top work dude, subbed 😊
Thanks so much, and welcome aboard!
Well Spoken, well done. Such great narration and content:)
Have you read the Malcador short story where he force chokes Horace and basically says if he speaks of then again he will kill him, this to me implies the Emperor would NOT punish him for it.
What? Link!
My guess is that at least one of the two lost ones found a way to be fertile. This would have elevated the marines truly above humans, but also betrayed the cause of their creation as well, being made to unite the galaxy, and fade form existence later. What father could deny his sons such a gift? The emporer did, but perhaps the Unkown one did not, and was erased from history for it.
For the other, I'd guess his geneseed became unstable, mutating him and his legion in body, but not mind. This is only based on Sanguinius dread of suffering a fate similar to the Unknown ones.
The first thought that came to my mind was that they were SAWFT! Meaning, they may have been strong, powerful, but maybe refused the Emperor's offer to return, in order to protect what they have built. That may have included bringing a Xenos race under their protective wing, or cooperating with the Xenos, or willingly being subject to a benevolent Xenos rule! They may have vehemently disagreed with the Emperor's methods and decisions, perhaps seeing themselves as abominations, rather than superhuman. Dorn wanted them on the battlefield alongside him, which to me, means they were martially capable, and he didn't fear their betrayal.
I think you both hit on it-- one was a mutant somehow worse than all the other mutations that the other legions express (though what form that could take is a mystery), the other was a traitor out of sympathy for some group that was neither Imperial nor Demonic and would have been seen as going down fighting for their own moral code. Both of these would destroy the image of the Space Marines either being absolute perfection or absolutely loyal to the Emperor or that the Emperor is always right. Such things would need to be erased.... at least with the 8 Traitor Legions, they serve the Imperial propaganda by being great villains.
@Awesomotron2k - I agree with the fertility angle, but I think that they were the Purged. I think that the Lost may have been some kind of sacrifice or exchange to Chaos or Xenos or AI of some kind. Both were supposedly still “accessible” during the Horus Heresy, and the primarchs viewed them with sorrow rather than anger, so I don’t think that it was some kind of treason.
Wow the whole immersion in the start of the video and how you assume the character is a really witty way to go about it. You've got yourself a loyal subscriber o humble historian of the imperium
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