@@fillman86 mine is a real jank wood one, and the vertical planks (that go up to where the wheel connects) can be pushed side to side with very little effort :) oh and one of the support beams split at the screw and is taped to the rig now lol
Tbh I'm kinda sad to see so many people going for Moza when something like VRS is just a much better option at a similar price point. Just so you know, inverted pedals are solid if you're driving mostly street cars, though race cars almost universally have floor-mounted pedals. Also with your DIY spirit you should look into designing your rig out of custom length 80/20 aluminum. I designed my own in 3DS Max and put it together, and it's fantastic. I'll be building a new one soon because I didn't design for anything besides my very specific setup, so I'd recommend building around a standard part like for instance the Advanced Sim Racing PRO wheel mount instead of building it so your hardware directly mounts to the frame.
I had looked at them in the past, but I didn't like their wheels, and the software isn't as "easy" as the big companies with smaller car games.... oh and the price :P
Also, 12nm kinda has you wanting more for sure. Really wish I wiffed for a 16nm. Though my coffee PC desk would’ve hated me for it as it already does with the current setup.
I recommend the SHH shifter, the 7th gen just about dropped and the shifter is perfect (possible even built) for places where you have to be quiet. Plus a built in sequential. double plus its also the same price of the shifter you already bought. Edit: Look at "Douglas Thompson's SHH Shifter" Review, he goes over it and says its quiet too.
interesting, it's over double what I payed for my shifter, and seemingly not available to australia, but it does look much prettier, and probably feels better too. All whilst being much cheaper than the bigger competition the only advantage there it to my low quality shifter is it's easy to buy, much cheaper, 7 speed option, and switching to sequential seems to have less steps (though much uglier)
I love the Group 5 Moonhawk I've only recently gotten into track stuff coming from drifting and such while I'm just working with a controller atm, and love my newer cars with amazing grip and ABS the Group 5 Moonhawk is so much fun to mess around with! As challenging it may be for someone like me taking TCS and ABS for granted lol.
You can put some rubber bands or hair ties around the base of the shifter , where it contacts with the gate , it deadens the sound and makes the shifting feel a bit better
Reduce the FFB strength in BeamNG and keep it 100% in Moza's software to prevent any clipping. Also get a cheap round wheel and NRG style quick release for a round wheel option.
yeah, unfortunately there just wasn't enough feedback at only 100% :/ I will be getting a round wheel at some point, but not right now, because I'm a broke boy after buying this lol
There is quite a big chance that the force feedback is inverted, so if it is, at least you can change that in the force feedback settings. Also, I think that a wheel cam and maybe even a foot cam would acually be better for when your racing rather than a face cam (No offence towards your face, but it is nice to be able to see the wheel cam, as I already sometimes automatically look at the corner with the wheel rotation and pedals.) Also, for the buffer people, moza also made a 24nm wheel, tho its kinda overkill. Lol this became a paragraph, I just kept editing it throughout the video
haha I won't be doing a foot cam any time soon, and I don't think I need it as what you meantioned, there's read out on screen. My technique isn't that great, and my floor is really messy lol
My g920 had pedal issues too. Taking apart the potentiometer and cleaning it then putting it back together and tightening up the connectors fixed it, for a little while. Thinking it was just a connection issue because sometimes touching the brake or clutch would make it fluctuate, I put a blob of solder (so I could melt it away later) over the connections and that still didn't fix it. So it's just the potentiometer in the pedal assembly being garbage. Funnily enough I reversed my wires just for giggles one of the times I reconnected it (I had them apart often for this issue) so I had the opposite issue. Mine would have a sticky pedal, always partly on unless I tapped it and let it slap back up. XD Was like actually driving the older cars I often use, but still quite annoying. Kinda sucks, cause it's the only issue I had was the pedals.
I cleaned out the pedal twice, and it just got worse quicker each time :/ As for the shifter, it's much worse logitech does make the best feeling wheels, but their quality is from when their system was first designed in the 90s (only revisions since then)
I get it, Fill! Give Verstappen a messed up steering config and he won't deliver pole position either... Hope you get your rig set up right eventually! :)
lol there's also a huge divide between me and great drivers like Daniel Ricciardo. I doubt I'd actually ever be able to bridge that divide even slightly
Though the asymmetrical L-brackets was certainly unique to me(even being accidental), I'm not sure how long rusty ones will last (I've never worked with steel regarding building and welding so maybe I'm wrong on that). The shifter and wheel look nice though! 👍
lol that's only surface rush, plus it's like 10x thicker than any bracket a manufacturer would sell.... but I only did that so it'd be easier to weld, not that it needed to be that stronk
@fillman86 oh yeah i'd definitely think theyre better and give a better feeling. Would also be much easier to judge. The standard pedals with the T300RS GT are good but dont give that much feedback.
@fillman86 yes ive added a thingy idk what to call it, under my brake so it feels like i have pressure/power brakes but it still isnt much. Im looking at the T-LCM or some fanatec ones. Id love one where all pedals are load cell tho.
Hey fillman, if you need some help with the settings of the moza wheel with beamng I could help you. Basically take out all assists on the moza pit house but leave some wheel friction (25%), to me these settings feel nice in all type of cars and types of driving (trucking, drifting, racing). Then you can set the force and smoothing on Beamng to you liking ! Cheers!
I guess that it's just about it feeling like "a clutch" and not anything specific, every single car is failry distinct from each other anyways. Can't say anything for race clutches and stuff thoose might be more tactile, but i wouldn't have the experience to know XD
Maybe make a new wheel for it using an actual aftermarket wheel would be an improvement considering the cheap feeling wrap on the original, and also youd get an entire wheel and thatd be way more realistic for beam in general since so few of the cars use that kind of shape
I got this because I wanted a racing car wheel, though having a circular one does have its advantages. I'm not that rich, so I'll hold off after spending so much money
Hey, can I shoot you an idea, we got the auto bellow dragster back some time ago. Could you make a v8, front engine, supercharged, rear wheel drive, autobello dragster. I would love to see that.
lol handbrakes on ebay are quite good, and affordable. Plus I'm keeping it in case I race in Gran Turismo in the future (new rig isn't compatible with play station, which is why it's cheaper than others)
its funny, I currently also have a Logitech wheel I bought used like a decade ago now it seems thats also having issues with its shifter not hitting the right gear (the 6 speed stick tho, not the paddles) and am planning to replace it with a Moza setup 😆
apparently it's good if you have lots of force feedback, and it's also good with this kind of alcantara grip material. I've always had tough skin though, so I don't get hand or foot skin ware like others
Not only flexing with the welding skillz, but also flexing his manly muscles over powering that beefy steering wheel. Geez, thing looks like a trap from the Saw movies compared to the Logitech one. If you can weld, wouldn't you be better off building a entire rig frame from scratch that perfectly fits your needs rather than slapping new bits on an old one?
this rig was made by me from scratch. I only modded it so I could have the pedals inverted :) the problem is that small box section isn't enough for this amount of torque anymore, and I'm not good at making things square lol
I did a course when I was young. I can mig weld dimes if I need to, but I'm using flux core for its lower price, and it comes out a little booger-ey. Though the look of the weld isn't that important in this application :)
i have recently bought a logitech g923 (its got playstation buttons) and i can not drive properly without it, i have tried a controller because i brought my laptop on holiday with me one time, but its just not the same lol
oh man a wheel will take some getting used to. You really do have to train with it, and when you're proficient, it is likely going to make you a lot faster
@@SGTGamer_YT lol I can't actually work out my arms, because it causes them to go numb for long periods of time :/ it's part of the reason I've gotten so fat
Wow I have a csl dd and I only have 5nm, I have the pedals with clutch, shifter, handbrake and 2 wheels. I spent 2 grand aud. Also I asked you something on twitter
that works in higher downforce cars with less torque.... but this is just understeers until power is applied. Though I'll give a go at some point, and practice
lol that money grubbing company can go suck me off. I'd even use the garbage assetto corsa long before I even consider iracing (if only ACC had a large range of cars)
Fill, you okay? You sure this was a good idea? Jokes aside, i hope it didn't end up feeling like wasted money, you don't seem like the harcore sim type of guy who would spend this much. Please don't break your fingers with it XD Edit: adding deadzone to the wheel is a horrible mistake, your problem is the formula rim wich isn't friendly to coupes and less race-ish or older race cars. If you want to change the steering do it from the parts menu and select a race steering box for better wheel angle
the pedals aren't as good and cost effective, and even if not used, the V2 by fanatec are said to be better and cheaper. The shifters are either H or sequential, and more expensive than this shifter that is both
That has got to be the most Australian rig frame I've ever seen.
lol there are some real jank wood ones out there, and I didn't want it to be like that.... instead it's a jank metal one :P
@@fillman86 mine is a real jank wood one, and the vertical planks (that go up to where the wheel connects) can be pushed side to side with very little effort :)
oh and one of the support beams split at the screw and is taped to the rig now lol
I need to say it! I can't keep it anymore! Fillman looks like a crazy scientist.
haha
@@fillman86 It's like Rick from Rick&Morty but instead of alcohol with mods.
6:16 i see the big 3
maccas, hungry jacks and Kfc lol 💙
lol I don't eat them often anymore, but I'm so lazy that they've probably been there for 4 months 😓 I really need to get better at regular cleaning
Tbh I'm kinda sad to see so many people going for Moza when something like VRS is just a much better option at a similar price point.
Just so you know, inverted pedals are solid if you're driving mostly street cars, though race cars almost universally have floor-mounted pedals.
Also with your DIY spirit you should look into designing your rig out of custom length 80/20 aluminum. I designed my own in 3DS Max and put it together, and it's fantastic. I'll be building a new one soon because I didn't design for anything besides my very specific setup, so I'd recommend building around a standard part like for instance the Advanced Sim Racing PRO wheel mount instead of building it so your hardware directly mounts to the frame.
I had looked at them in the past, but I didn't like their wheels, and the software isn't as "easy" as the big companies with smaller car games.... oh and the price :P
Damn Fill’s going for the big moneys now XD (congrats my man, keep growing! The fact you could buy that says enough, your hard work is paying out!)
this took about 4 months of youtube income.... no not really the big bucks, but it is helping :)
0:29 "Granny shifting, not quadruple shifting like you should"
lol
Immediately loved load cell the moment I tried it… opposed to having it set up wrong initially and getting 50% braking.
Also, 12nm kinda has you wanting more for sure. Really wish I wiffed for a 16nm. Though my coffee PC desk would’ve hated me for it as it already does with the current setup.
I do like loadcell, but I take a while to learn things. As for strength, I think I'd have to agree, but only really for use in beamng
very nice fill! you've grown by over 40k since i started watching :)
yeah, I remember seeing you constantly in my live chats :) thanks for still hanging around
ive not been able to be in chat as much lately due to my GCSEs, sorry haha.@@fillman86
I recommend the SHH shifter, the 7th gen just about dropped and the shifter is perfect (possible even built) for places where you have to be quiet. Plus a built in sequential. double plus its also the same price of the shifter you already bought.
Edit: Look at "Douglas Thompson's SHH Shifter" Review, he goes over it and says its quiet too.
interesting, it's over double what I payed for my shifter, and seemingly not available to australia, but it does look much prettier, and probably feels better too. All whilst being much cheaper than the bigger competition
the only advantage there it to my low quality shifter is it's easy to buy, much cheaper, 7 speed option, and switching to sequential seems to have less steps (though much uglier)
I love the Group 5 Moonhawk I've only recently gotten into track stuff coming from drifting and such while I'm just working with a controller atm, and love my newer cars with amazing grip and ABS the Group 5 Moonhawk is so much fun to mess around with! As challenging it may be for someone like me taking TCS and ABS for granted lol.
You can put some rubber bands or hair ties around the base of the shifter , where it contacts with the gate , it deadens the sound and makes the shifting feel a bit better
Fill you have convinced me to get a simrig and it arrived on Monday this week
ooo fun, what did you get?
@@fillman86 just the g920 and the shifter
Reduce the FFB strength in BeamNG and keep it 100% in Moza's software to prevent any clipping. Also get a cheap round wheel and NRG style quick release for a round wheel option.
yeah, unfortunately there just wasn't enough feedback at only 100% :/
I will be getting a round wheel at some point, but not right now, because I'm a broke boy after buying this lol
There is quite a big chance that the force feedback is inverted, so if it is, at least you can change that in the force feedback settings. Also, I think that a wheel cam and maybe even a foot cam would acually be better for when your racing rather than a face cam (No offence towards your face, but it is nice to be able to see the wheel cam, as I already sometimes automatically look at the corner with the wheel rotation and pedals.) Also, for the buffer people, moza also made a 24nm wheel, tho its kinda overkill. Lol this became a paragraph, I just kept editing it throughout the video
haha I won't be doing a foot cam any time soon, and I don't think I need it as what you meantioned, there's read out on screen. My technique isn't that great, and my floor is really messy lol
My g920 had pedal issues too. Taking apart the potentiometer and cleaning it then putting it back together and tightening up the connectors fixed it, for a little while. Thinking it was just a connection issue because sometimes touching the brake or clutch would make it fluctuate, I put a blob of solder (so I could melt it away later) over the connections and that still didn't fix it. So it's just the potentiometer in the pedal assembly being garbage. Funnily enough I reversed my wires just for giggles one of the times I reconnected it (I had them apart often for this issue) so I had the opposite issue. Mine would have a sticky pedal, always partly on unless I tapped it and let it slap back up. XD Was like actually driving the older cars I often use, but still quite annoying. Kinda sucks, cause it's the only issue I had was the pedals.
Wd-40 solved all my input jitter problems
I cleaned out the pedal twice, and it just got worse quicker each time :/ As for the shifter, it's much worse
logitech does make the best feeling wheels, but their quality is from when their system was first designed in the 90s (only revisions since then)
I get it, Fill! Give Verstappen a messed up steering config and he won't deliver pole position either...
Hope you get your rig set up right eventually! :)
lol there's also a huge divide between me and great drivers like Daniel Ricciardo. I doubt I'd actually ever be able to bridge that divide even slightly
12:36 I had to pause for a little immature laugh break right about here lol
lol
Though the asymmetrical L-brackets was certainly unique to me(even being accidental), I'm not sure how long rusty ones will last (I've never worked with steel regarding building and welding so maybe I'm wrong on that). The shifter and wheel look nice though! 👍
lol that's only surface rush, plus it's like 10x thicker than any bracket a manufacturer would sell.... but I only did that so it'd be easier to weld, not that it needed to be that stronk
@@fillman86 Ah got it
That f1 wheel has got to be making things much harder
haha in a beamng vehicle like that? yeah, kinda
@fillman86 I was surprised at how well you were actually doing with it. You'd kill it with a normal wheel
I have old G29 with shifter and homemade handbrake and that´s everything I need even for 2000hp car.
haha sure, but I had to replace my decaying rig
Defenitly gonna get some Load Cell pedals next, still happy with my T300RS GT tho
they are meant to be better, and I think I can tell the difference in muscle memory already (though it'll still take some time)
@fillman86 oh yeah i'd definitely think theyre better and give a better feeling. Would also be much easier to judge. The standard pedals with the T300RS GT are good but dont give that much feedback.
@@memorimusic420 I think they're only spring loaded, I do know that logitech has a rubber mod, so maybe thrustmaster does too?
@fillman86 yes ive added a thingy idk what to call it, under my brake so it feels like i have pressure/power brakes but it still isnt much. Im looking at the T-LCM or some fanatec ones. Id love one where all pedals are load cell tho.
@@memorimusic420 the fanatec v2 pedals are meant to be top tier at a good price
Fillman If you want a cheap (ish) round steering wheel I would look into getting a wheel from someone like Sparco, then use the adaptor Moza sells.
yeah, I'll be looking into it when I have more money again
Hey fillman, if you need some help with the settings of the moza wheel with beamng I could help you. Basically take out all assists on the moza pit house but leave some wheel friction (25%), to me these settings feel nice in all type of cars and types of driving (trucking, drifting, racing). Then you can set the force and smoothing on Beamng to you liking !
Cheers!
interesting, I'll try that out some time
I bought a trak racer tr80 mk5 and have been loving it. Might be worth a look
had a look and clutched my pearls haha das a lotta money
How realistic does the Clutch Pedal feel on the Clubsport V3?
irl clutches are fairly linier, so I don't think I'd be able to really tell
I guess that it's just about it feeling like "a clutch" and not anything specific, every single car is failry distinct from each other anyways. Can't say anything for race clutches and stuff thoose might be more tactile, but i wouldn't have the experience to know XD
@@Ferrari255GTO all cluches are actuating what are basically springs... there's not much to really feel unless your clutch is broken
1:48 I don't know man. Someone 3d scanned themselves and put the scan into BeamNG.
;)
Now I'm gonna try beat you with my controller
haha totally possible
A suggestion when driving, try to keep 3 fingers on the wheel and use 1 finger for shifting, not the other way around
yeah, I try, but I'm so absent minded lol
Maybe make a new wheel for it using an actual aftermarket wheel would be an improvement considering the cheap feeling wrap on the original, and also youd get an entire wheel and thatd be way more realistic for beam in general since so few of the cars use that kind of shape
I got this because I wanted a racing car wheel, though having a circular one does have its advantages. I'm not that rich, so I'll hold off after spending so much money
Hey, can I shoot you an idea, we got the auto bellow dragster back some time ago. Could you make a v8, front engine, supercharged, rear wheel drive, autobello dragster. I would love to see that.
How much you want for the pedals? I'm trying to make my own handbrake using the brake pedal module
lol handbrakes on ebay are quite good, and affordable. Plus I'm keeping it in case I race in Gran Turismo in the future (new rig isn't compatible with play station, which is why it's cheaper than others)
@@fillman86 I just want the satisfaction of saying I made it lol
@fillman86 plus I'm running the g920 on my computer so I'm just using what I can get ahold of on a budget due to kids gotta eat too
The peddle thing happened to me
yeah I was able to fix it a few times, but it just went wrong quicker each time :/
Another thing with the g920 or similar steering wheel and pedal rigs have issues with staying still because the rubber legs slide too easily
oh I had mine screwed down to a solid rig
good ol' bunnings warehouse metal
hehehe
My g29 has a accelerator problem tho😅
its funny, I currently also have a Logitech wheel I bought used like a decade ago now it seems thats also having issues with its shifter not hitting the right gear (the 6 speed stick tho, not the paddles) and am planning to replace it with a Moza setup 😆
my logitech shifter is fine, but the paddles are seemingly unfixable haha
also the 5nm offerings that companies are selling are a much better value propersition than any logitech or thrustmaster setup
I was wondering when you were gonna upgrade your wheel , your knowledge of this game is too insane to have a beginner level wheel
haha when I really need good driving, I hand the vehicle over to a much better driver like Serzari
I have seen sim race pros wearing gloves while driving.
For me this is weird. But I guess it works?
apparently it's good if you have lots of force feedback, and it's also good with this kind of alcantara grip material. I've always had tough skin though, so I don't get hand or foot skin ware like others
Not only flexing with the welding skillz, but also flexing his manly muscles over powering that beefy steering wheel. Geez, thing looks like a trap from the Saw movies compared to the Logitech one. If you can weld, wouldn't you be better off building a entire rig frame from scratch that perfectly fits your needs rather than slapping new bits on an old one?
this rig was made by me from scratch. I only modded it so I could have the pedals inverted :) the problem is that small box section isn't enough for this amount of torque anymore, and I'm not good at making things square lol
@@fillman86 I've seen engineers do worse, and that's _with_ square angle tools. So you're in good company.
@@TheRealAlpha2 lol
now do $50 sim rig vs 50 hp
with how worn my rig was, it was basically 50hp before 💀
Cool wow
You need a 50nm wheel definitely
haha I fear that would rip my arms off :P
maybe@@fillman86
M8 pls show how to do mirrors in bemng i cant figure that one for over month now
in blender make the material called "mirror" and it'll use the game's generic material for it
Good video Fillman made me laugh good times.
Youre right money cant equal skill like some pro pay driver 😅
I think forever my issue with be my inability to concentrate and remember to check for braking markers
specialy with Beam where its for me more difficult to hit any good circuit racing. Starting try hard finish in a crash compiliton @@fillman86
Have you learned yourself to weld or through prior work?
I did a course when I was young. I can mig weld dimes if I need to, but I'm using flux core for its lower price, and it comes out a little booger-ey. Though the look of the weld isn't that important in this application :)
hello mate. Have you got a link for this wouldn't mind seeing how crazy it is to drive
here you go man - www.beamng.com/resources/group-5-moonhawk.26682/ enjoy
cheers mate. I shall let you know how it goes!@@fillman86
When are we seeing buffman86?
i have recently bought a logitech g923 (its got playstation buttons) and i can not drive properly without it, i have tried a controller because i brought my laptop on holiday with me one time, but its just not the same lol
oh man a wheel will take some getting used to. You really do have to train with it, and when you're proficient, it is likely going to make you a lot faster
@@fillman86 👍🏻
Fill getting that workout
buff horses
lol i wont be suprised if in the next vid you got big muscles@@fillman86
@@SGTGamer_YT lol I can't actually work out my arms, because it causes them to go numb for long periods of time :/ it's part of the reason I've gotten so fat
ur not fat@@fillman86
Wow I have a csl dd and I only have 5nm, I have the pedals with clutch, shifter, handbrake and 2 wheels. I spent 2 grand aud. Also I asked you something on twitter
if I was in any other sim, 9nm may actually be enough, but I'd recommend more for beamng
me using a keyboard and maxing out at 60 fps on smallgrid:
yeah, that's unfortunate. But I saved about 4 months of youtube income for this :P
Rouge tick the crayon priest on top
the goat
You used the logitech so much it quadruple shift?
it was so worn out. I even went in and cleaned the contacts and didn't fix the issue
@@fillman86 how long have you use the Logitech?
@@ilovelmg about 7-8 years
Modulate the throttle and it will spin a bit less
that works in higher downforce cars with less torque.... but this is just understeers until power is applied. Though I'll give a go at some point, and practice
I have a challenge for you similar to this one, get iracing and try to drive a gen 4 nascar at watkins glen
lol that money grubbing company can go suck me off. I'd even use the garbage assetto corsa long before I even consider iracing (if only ACC had a large range of cars)
Fill, you okay? You sure this was a good idea?
Jokes aside, i hope it didn't end up feeling like wasted money, you don't seem like the harcore sim type of guy who would spend this much. Please don't break your fingers with it XD
Edit: adding deadzone to the wheel is a horrible mistake, your problem is the formula rim wich isn't friendly to coupes and less race-ish or older race cars. If you want to change the steering do it from the parts menu and select a race steering box for better wheel angle
I like immersion a lot, so expensive rig stuff is not out of the realm for me
@@fillman86well, either way i hope you enjoy it
@@fillman86 also check out the advice i left on the edit if you haven't
@@Ferrari255GTO oh right, the steering box, I forgot about that
So, you went with the Moza R9 and didn't buy the Moza shifter and pedals because...?
the pedals aren't as good and cost effective, and even if not used, the V2 by fanatec are said to be better and cheaper. The shifters are either H or sequential, and more expensive than this shifter that is both
Imagine needing 9nm instead of 8nm (I have a CSL DD)
I bought a TH8A for $230 on Amazon
I believe this shifter feels better, and has more functionality
dang yall got all these nice rigs but me with my G920 and my 25 dollar logitech shifter has no issues at all😂
Setup for overskilled people
I wish I had skill too haha
My set up is a g29, and that's it
yeah, my old rig just started to break down
Good
glad you think so :)
Day 12 of asking you to make the s13
I farted
Clickity clack!
it's quite lucky that I live alone haha
hiiiiii
higggggh
Third
cammus c12 is cheaper
true, but these wheels are worlds better, and software support is too
Skill issue 😅
I am still faster with a used tmx 😝
haha not surprised, I'm not a good sim racer, but a better sim rig will hopefully help me close the gap
@@fillman86 you just need to build up from slower cars first
First
close enough lol