Well their “coming-soon” load cell pedals are also aggressively cheap, but you could run anyone else’s pedals (just not Logitech’s). I have a Mozart wheel/base but fanatec pedals
Actually you can use Logitech pedals I'm using them currently with the c5 and the logitech shifter too just get the racing g racing hub for your pedals and shifter and boom it works Edit: Also works for logitech load cell pedals
@@fillman86that may be my upgrade path. Keep my thrustmaster load cell pedals but swap the T248X for a direct drive wheel. Just gotta wait for the money to do so, or my own sponsorship! 😂
I got my CLS dd in the first wave with the mclaren wheel, so 3 years ago. I just ordered the round wheel to drift and got the wheel monday after ordering on that friday so 3 days from cali to indi 2000 miles I amd happy with 8nm
A way to mod T3PA (thrustmaster pedal) brake is to just wedge a bounce ball into the brake pedal against the original brake mod back plate. It honestly good for how cheap and how little hassle it had. And it looks like i may have a chance to work here. It gives more resistance to the brake and it feels different to the end if travel.
37:10 with the screw unscrewing when you loosen the base, Cammus just needs to put a tiny thing of red loctite in the package that you're supposed to apply to those screws. Pretty sure red loctite should keep them from loosening well enough.
Had my c5 a few weeks, love it, used logitechs for about 10 years its a massive difference. 5nm is the holding torque, it'll 'feel' like 8-9nm from other companies.
Settings I recommend after getting mine: Damping at 0 Friction 0 Inertia 10-20 (Depends on you) Everything else 0, unless you drift, then do Idle spring 13ish percent In game effects window: 100% everything EXCEPT Game spring, keep that at 0 Assist: All off, unless you want hand protection
“Your connection is not secure” warnings aren’t bad at all. It just means anyone on your wifi network can see the contents of the network traffic going from your pc to their server, which isn’t a big deal at all unless you’re entering credentials or other sensitive info. Oh and the smartscreen popup is most likely because the exe isn’t signed properly or at all which does kinda make sense i think that costs money don’t take my word on that tho but it’s fairly common. Windows smartscreen doesn’t defend you from any viruses at all unless it straight up blocks it and not allowing you to bypass it meaning its flagged as a virus. This is just like oh its not signed it could be harmful. Like the popup said itself it doesn’t recognize it so it’s not sure if it is or isnt.
yeah some other people corroborated this too. All I can say is that it doesn't look good for a company to not take their own business seriously :/ I like the products, but their other practices make me feel they have much to prove
Thanks filman! I just bought the Logitech wheel and pedals and took em back last month and had my eye on this wheel and will definitely order it now. ill order it through your link
it seems they've been bought be corsair, but I'd be concerned, we've seen many examples of what companies do when they buy other companies (look at microsoft and twitter etc)
@@fillman86 guns god and beamng (merica) mentioning twiter sounds like you don't agree with free speech bc thats why it is doing bad bc they wont do the governments bidding just saying
that dodgy brake pedal around 10:30, might be able to do something like stuffing a squash ball behind the pedal? I had a set of old logitech pedals where a squashball was one of the tricks to help the pedal feel
I recently bought myself a t300 GT edition used for arround 200 Euros and sold the G29 I had and i love it in comparison but you have to have some technical knowledge. This is because the T300 likely overheats. You should upgrade the fan!. It has decent pedals (with clutch, upgraded pedals kinda T3PM with worse/weaker brake spring) compared to the C5. I have seen that you can buy a 20 euro usb adapter for the pedals so if I want to upgrade I can likely keep the pedals (if i get it resold without them). I really dont like having a clutch and Cammus shipping to my place (Germany) just wasnt worth it the additional price. A minus for the t300 is that the Desk clamp kinda sucks so i had to improvise my own. If anyone has questions considering if its worth to upgrade from G29 or what exactly i had to do feel free to ask me.
This wheel looks promising but they definitely need to adress some issues. For example both chrome and the windows antivirus kicking in for the driver freaks me out a bit. I read the comment that explains why it might be a thing but still that's a no no for me ngl. But if they solve that issue my next upgrade might be buying their wheelbase, but not the pedals though. Not having a clutch is already a problem, and just based on how easily you could press down the brakes with your hand makes me believe buying a thrustmaster pedal set is the way to go. Cool video though, as always
Well they say that the website is fixed, but dunno about the software though As for pedals, they have some better pedals coming, but there are lots of options out there
yeah, but there's not many things that interest me. I was also contacted by an extending desk company, I said no to the desk, but instead I wanted to get paid to put one into beamng for a meme video.... they declined :P
Idk if there is a delay on video but is the steering wheel set to 2000 degrees. Most games have around 1080 degrees but beamng has 2000 so putting that in the moza/cammus launcher and ingame would probably help a lot
For the price its great and the cheapest fanatec setup with a desk mount is 430€, but the main reason people get into fanatec is the eco system, with that 430€ setup there is an option to add a loadcell brake for 140€ later on or for 120€ if order it as a bunde, same goes with the 8nm boost kit, you can get that later on and get 3 more nm of torque for 150€ or for 100€ if you order it with the wheelbase. The upgrade options are the main reason why i would want to get myself something from fanatec, i live in germany and i have a friend that had a very good experience with the support. for moza the main problem i have heard is the shipping cost being very expensive and the R5 moza bundle is 500€ not including shipping. with thrustmaster the price to get into the ecosystem on a DD is around 1k, i currently own a Thrustmaster TMX with around 2nm as a belt/gear wheel, sadly the TMX dosent have support for the quick release system from thrustmaster so i would have to pay 850€ for the DD and a new wheel rim. The turtlebeach Velocity One Race is very interesting for 650€ as a bundle with a load cell but they dont currently have an eco system wich is a problem for some, i love drifting and D shaped wheels are usually not that good for drifting and not having the option to change the wheel on the Turtlebeach and the Cammus C5 is currently the main reason why i am not really considering both of them for myself For most people having a low price to get into an ecosystem with alot of upgrades is great and currently the best thing about Fanatec and for console players fanatec is probably the best option if you dont want to run the wheel with 3rd party tools I love your videos ^^
I wouldn't trust fanatec for the time being, I'm guessing there's going to be more shipping delays followed by major budget cuts, leading to less quality :/ I suggest moza personally as for cammus I'd suggest it if you're not the sought to upgrade
yea i wont really have the money to get a new wheel until the start of 2025 so there is still alot of time for new things to launch and for fanatec to recover
looks like they upped the prices again XD on 7:30 i see the full bundle is 289$ but when i look now ( 11th of June ) the price is 329$, ( even though it says -8% with a base price of $358 which, as a beginning wheel driver/gamer , this feels still, like way too much money. I think they've watched your video! :P
I know this comment isn’t relating to this video but I’ve been hunting for a video or anything of someone recreating a modern version of a straight eight engine, and I’ve seen your videos where you’ve done straight eights in automation. Is there a shot you would make a modern straight eight if it was made in the 2010s onward?
Day 7.2(gotta do it all today because i didnt had time)of commenting: You probably wont do it, but anyway. Here is a car Suggestion if you want: the Xiaomi su7. There are 3 variants of it, different in their Performance. I thought,that it would be a bit more of a Challenge if you would be able to switch modes in that car. But while driving, so you press a button and you can select between the Performance and the Suspension settings(like race mode with hard Suspension and comfort with soft ones). I thought Maybe 3 modes,and each mode should match the Performance of the 3 variants of the su7. Maybe you are interessted. Sorry for my bad Englisch,its not my native language. If you dont understand what i meant, i could try to rewrite it and explain it better if you want. But anyways,i really love your videos
looks great, however i feel as if you are going for a sim rig, a clutch and shifter is a requirement. Another gripe i have is why do companies love to sell the wheel/base separate to the pedals?? yes i know theres a bundle that includes them, but how do you even use a wheel without the pedals??
I know we've advanced a good bit technology wise, but I would expect most things to ask for a reboot after installing drivers. Having drivers that constantly trigger Antivirus and websites with expired security certificates don't inspire a lot of confidence in the company's longevity. I'd hope that they could fix that so that it feels like they'll be around long enough to get better. at $330 USD for the whole kit It seems about on par with some entry level Logitechs... still a lot of cash either way and I feel like beginners would probably just grab a cheep ass Hori wheel for 200 or a bottom tier Logitech for a little more, so this feels a bit more intermediate which might put it against slightly higher budget targets.
Enjoyed your review; you are very entertaining :) (subbed). One question, why Beam NG!? There are so many other(better) games to try it on. AMS2 has amazing FFB on my R5, and RaceRoom does too. So much so that I find myself ignoring ACC, my favourite sim, as the FFB is so much better on the other two games.
haha the status of “better” is subjective. AMS2 is also baby’s first simcade game. though the others are fine. i like beamng because it’s where my audience is, and in some aspects its physics is unparalleled, so i just stick with it
The reason why your wheel was shaking lole that is because you have reduced force when parking off happens to me and the clamp fornmenworks perfectly the top part f9es get a little undone but when i clamp it on it dosent move at all bo matter how much force
Just a thing about the website and why the message is there. It's basicly saying its not encrypted so everything transmitted through that connection can be seen and potentially even be exchanged (from a hacker in wlan or your provider technicly). The certificat is basicly the thing that enables you and them to be authentifcated by a third party to establish a encrypted connection. The exe is also similar in that they didn't sign it. Means they are not verified by a third party and windows therefore doesn't know if that is not a virus. Both things can be a bit annoying to set up but the first should be relativly easy with "let's encrypt" the second should be much more hassle.
@@fillman86 well yeah, the website stuff is mostly a thing that they just have to keep up with and i saw 5 May so depending on when you recorded it, they were behind a couple of days so not the worst in the world but still not great, i agree.
@fillman86 Yeah well i just looked at the website it should be fine for the next 2 months on July the 7th it expires again, so yeah should work atm ^^
The fanatec thing is being fixed already, they've got a new post-sale support methodology and shipping has gotten faster. Aparently they're being bought by Corsair
Just took a look at their US warehouse ("tax included") and the C5 bundle w/ pedals is $329 US. Sigh. For just a bit more there seems to be at least one other 5Nm combo... that *isn't* Fanantec. The very Moza R5 you showed in the diesel swap video is about $100 more and, given the swapable wheel, seems a better idea. But, I suppose, if one doesn't have that additional $100 lying around... As for the rubber clamp pad... I would probably 3D print a TPU gasket that better buffers that. It'll be interesting to see what happens if Corsair buys out Fanantec. It'd be nice to have more good options.
@@fillman86 Ah - I saw it on sale for $459. I guess I was lucky in my timing. (So, more like $130.) You're right, though. If someone is just getting started, this looks to be a deal. I just... don't think I like those drivers. Not to mention, I doubt it would work on a Linux system like my Steam Deck.
I have a G920 rn, and my pedals aren't doing so well, and my shifter is basically on its last leg My accelerator pedal has a problem, that came out of nowhere, where it doesn't push all the way down unless i force it And my shifter sometimes doesn't shift into gear, I think the switches are getting worn down somehow
yeah I had very similar issues, and I fully upgraded to a moza rig, but that's because I had youtube money to save for several months. If I didn't, I would have probably bought this lol
If someone could give a reasonable explanation for the weird security issues on their website, plus a bit more reliable firmware I would go for this wheel.
the funny thing i started sim driving few months before i started driving in driving school and on my 500rs the break is heavy and when pushing it after a centimeter it becomes really stiff so when i started driving a real car (peugeot 208) the break was so soft it felt like i was pressing the clutch and my instructor always said go easy on the breaks so in my opinion the breaks on the cammus c5 are realistic
sure, this may be less complete than something like that, but is a lot more powerful which allows for more forcefeedback detail it just comes down to if you don't want to deal with extra stuff just to go sim racing :)
9pm for me :P it's when I always try to release. It's the prime time for australians and just before the boom of views from america. This gives it a boost for the algorithm
I don't like how it looks at all. Yes it's compact but for pretty much 10 dollars more you can get a Thrustmaster T300 RS GT (GT adds the clutch pedal) which is way way way better even though it's not direct drive, it is belt drive and has great FFB. (I own one)
ah, there's not many wheels for playstation, mostly because of their anticompetitive contracts that cost the device makers quite a bit to get. I like gran turismo a lot, but being a playstation exclusive sucks :/
not as of yet, but they do have a 3 pedal load cell setup for pre-order as for a shifter, I have a cheap amazon 7 speed, and as long as you don't care about noise, it's fine
nah not yet. If noise isn't an issue, I'd suggest the cheap shifters on amazon if you want a clutch, They have descent load cell set that looks incredibly cheap for pre-order
nah, they did that themselves, and did it onto their customers too unfortunately we've seen time after time what happens to companies that are bought out. I don't think corsair is going to be much different
@@fillman86 That was the worst thing logitech could have ever done to their brakes. My logitech brakes wouldn't fully engage regardless of being set to max sensitivity, until I pulled the rubber out
@@fillman86 Yeah I pulled the rubber out of mine like 2 days after buying it. It was way too stiff. I definitely had a later make as it did have the rubber so maybe it's now more reliable? Idk maybe I am crazy but it looked like the potentiometer was messed up or something. I didn't think it was your foot. But it was so inconsistent it looked like the pedal was starting to fail.
The price is a facade. They inflate the shipping cost by an outrageous amount. They have " USA" based warehouse yet the shipping is still 100 dollars, no thanks.
Yeah, I haven’t looked at all shipping and competitors too, but I heard it’s different in different places Though taking the eBay approach to pricing does suck
@@fillman86 well for a first wheel it wouldn't be bad and plus it would be better then just Keyboard and mouse so would help with content and sime racing :)
@@fillman86 Well, I once tried using my old Logitech G25 on a Linux PC, and it did not work. But maybe it was just a Logitech Problem. Btw, is there a way to use the LED indicator lights on the G29 on BeamNG?
for those looking to buy the CAMMUS C5 be VERY VERY VERY wary their QA is TERRIBLE so the odds you get a unit with some sort of annoying problem is pretty high, AND their support is USELESS. i emailed them about the problems i was facing and they literally just linked me tutorials on how to set it up (I had been using it for 150 hours at this point) its an amazing product but if you look around very few have good experiences with their support. so aslong as you're okay with the chance of getting a dud and them never doing anything about it then 100% go for it cause its a very solid wheel when there are no issues especially considering the price
@@fillman86 I havent gotten to that point with it yet, but im pretty close to it. i may try replacing the USBport because ive heard that it has a habit of breaking connection
@@iMaCH are you good with soldering? I've ruined a bunch of electronics due to my incomitance lol there's often electronics places that will do board level repair in pretty much every city
I do have to agree that it's ugly, though once I started using it, it doesn't matter any more but yeah... if anyone comes over and sees it, I feel I'd have to explain it :P
if you look through the comments, someone did explain what was happening. Though I fully understand the scepticism the only reason I was willing to do it is because I know that all media companies have a forensic level profile on me already :( doesn't make me happy though
@@fillman86 Consequences can be a bit worse when it comes to countries instead of companies, at least usually (see the recent events with certain flying onomatopoeia for one potential exception...). But either way, if someone at either of those scales want me in specific dead strongly enough, they can probably figure out how make it look like suicide (which for the record, would be the wrong conclusion; the truth is, no matter what, I intend to live a very long life); but protection-by-layers at least make it a little harder to for me to become colateral damage.
Not trying to throw shade on your review but you shit on the Logitech way to hard the only thing the c5 has over the Logitech is torque and direct drive the pedals are trash no clutch the motor takes up way to much room from the wheel and you can’t upgrade the wheel. On the Logitech you have clutch options to change to an oversized wheel. I ran it for 2 1/2 years and had zero problems. And I’m betting that c5 has way more wheel oscillation you can just tell it’s a cheap design that is made to sound good. If you want a direct drive just get a r5 or an r9. Also fanitec is still A good product but customer service isn’t the best
it's true that the logitech isn't bad, but it has its issues, like noise and the gear feedback you get. as for the centre size, unless you like to look through the wheel's gap to the centre, it actually don't effect it, in fact you tend to forget just how ugly this C5 is :P True that these pedals don't have a clutch, and there's nothing I can say to that, other than I did show the number of pedals. I was also quite clear about how I was disappointed in the brake feel compared to the logitech ones As for changing wheels on a logitech, you have to do some significant modifications to change it out (unless you're talking about the DD, but that's very different and unsupported). Changing the wheel on this seems like it's limited to their more expensive C12, or proper 15nm wheels. But the C5 is cheaper than a G932 my G920 was pretty good for 4 of the 7 years, and it served me well enough, but given the choice back then.... I'm not sure I'd choose the logitech. This wheel feels of similar build quality, and the forcefeedback is more powerful and so smooth (not as smooth as my Moza R9, but the difference isn't that big either). As for Fanatec, I'd steer clear of them for now. Shipping issues, and what would be considered criminal acts in other countries aside, buy now before their buyout has happened, and corsair takes over. As many companies have shown recently, takeovers tend to be bad for the consumers :/ overall I'd say you have valid concerns, but my video was not false or even misleading, just different to what you expected?
I've been eyeballing the Cammus C5. If they had the C5 with a reasonably priced load cell pedals, I'd probably upgrade my system.
Well their “coming-soon” load cell pedals are also aggressively cheap, but you could run anyone else’s pedals (just not Logitech’s).
I have a Mozart wheel/base but fanatec pedals
Actually you can use Logitech pedals I'm using them currently with the c5 and the logitech shifter too just get the racing g racing hub for your pedals and shifter and boom it works
Edit:
Also works for logitech load cell pedals
@@djadam100 oh right, I forgot about that. Tbh they should have been USB from the start
@@fillman86that may be my upgrade path. Keep my thrustmaster load cell pedals but swap the T248X for a direct drive wheel. Just gotta wait for the money to do so, or my own sponsorship! 😂
@@fillman86agreed man
Builders: "How much of a profit?" Cammus: "$1, most of our profit will be from selling people data for the gov" (joke as Cammus is a chinese co.)
I fully agree, it sketches me out a lot, but then I just remind me that data collectors already have a forensic level profile made up on me already :/
@@fillman86 I feel sketchy about any app owned by a chinese co. like tiktok etc
Moza, CAMMUS, Logitech, Thrustmaster and *_Fanatec_* users can agree that Fanatec sucks.
lol
I enjoyed you putting together the steering wheel bracket very much 😂
oh god that thing stumped me for quite a while
That's beautiful for that price point.
yeah, no other wheel/base is in that price range
My favourite quote from this vid “I’ve done a lot of metal holding”
gotta get that metal holding degree
I got my CLS dd in the first wave with the mclaren wheel, so 3 years ago. I just ordered the round wheel to drift and got the wheel monday after ordering on that friday so 3 days from cali to indi 2000 miles I amd happy with 8nm
A way to mod T3PA (thrustmaster pedal) brake is to just wedge a bounce ball into the brake pedal against the original brake mod back plate. It honestly good for how cheap and how little hassle it had.
And it looks like i may have a chance to work here.
It gives more resistance to the brake and it feels different to the end if travel.
4:21 That's the lid of the box . Lol
9:07 “I’ve done a lot of metal holding” LMAO!
Sometimes English fails me, and sometimes I fail it
37:10 with the screw unscrewing when you loosen the base, Cammus just needs to put a tiny thing of red loctite in the package that you're supposed to apply to those screws. Pretty sure red loctite should keep them from loosening well enough.
Yeah, I think I have some of that laying around somewhere
Or maybe reverse thread screws could fix the issue
@@revanx73 maybe, but you have to do it up and undo it over and over again
Had my c5 a few weeks, love it, used logitechs for about 10 years its a massive difference. 5nm is the holding torque, it'll 'feel' like 8-9nm from other companies.
well I don't know about it feeling like 9nm, but it's way stronger than my old G920
Awesome review video fill, awesome wheel setup for the price!
thanks for the review of the review :P
Settings I recommend after getting mine:
Damping at 0
Friction 0
Inertia 10-20 (Depends on you)
Everything else 0, unless you drift, then do Idle spring 13ish percent
In game effects window:
100% everything EXCEPT Game spring, keep that at 0
Assist:
All off, unless you want hand protection
oh that's helpful, I'm assuming this was in BeamNG? Wasn't there too much shaking that beamng causes?
That's super interesting that it comes with maybe a Hall Effect sensor for the pedals
I was interested by that fact too, but with it being so open looks like it might be a problem
@@fillman86 Not sure why you would be concerned about how open it is. After all, hall effect sensors cannot (or at least shouldn't) get stick drift.
@@quinnobi42 small metal trash can get in and interfere
“Your connection is not secure” warnings aren’t bad at all. It just means anyone on your wifi network can see the contents of the network traffic going from your pc to their server, which isn’t a big deal at all unless you’re entering credentials or other sensitive info.
Oh and the smartscreen popup is most likely because the exe isn’t signed properly or at all which does kinda make sense i think that costs money don’t take my word on that tho but it’s fairly common. Windows smartscreen doesn’t defend you from any viruses at all unless it straight up blocks it and not allowing you to bypass it meaning its flagged as a virus. This is just like oh its not signed it could be harmful. Like the popup said itself it doesn’t recognize it so it’s not sure if it is or isnt.
yeah some other people corroborated this too. All I can say is that it doesn't look good for a company to not take their own business seriously :/
I like the products, but their other practices make me feel they have much to prove
and here I am, sitting on my Kitchen Chair with a Thrustmaster Wheel :)
hey man, I using a dining room chair too :P
Sim Racers will wonder, how we take corners without falling off :D
@@sauwercraud I don't even have a chair I sit on the ground with a couple pillows lol
@@axemangt same here i use a coffee table for my wheel😂
Thanks filman! I just bought the Logitech wheel and pedals and took em back last month and had my eye on this wheel and will definitely order it now. ill order it through your link
Oh what was wrong with the Logitech?
@@fillman86 it was way to floppy feeling
@@ineedmusic123 ah, mine was quite rattily
I'm super impressed with the C5 so far.
hey glad to hear that, I see you've made a video too, keep us updated :)
I hope fanatec pulls thru this war crime
it seems they've been bought be corsair, but I'd be concerned, we've seen many examples of what companies do when they buy other companies (look at microsoft and twitter etc)
@@fillman86 guns god and beamng (merica) mentioning twiter sounds like you don't agree with free speech bc thats why it is doing bad bc they wont do the governments bidding just saying
23:04 "I'm very much into privacy but I don't know what any of these warnings actually mean"
yeah, there was a comment here that goes into what it means. Turns out that it doesn't mean anything particularly bad, just not paying the bills :/
that dodgy brake pedal around 10:30, might be able to do something like stuffing a squash ball behind the pedal? I had a set of old logitech pedals where a squashball was one of the tricks to help the pedal feel
yeah, it's a very different setup, but it could work
@@fillman86 a dog toy, some terrible plushie thing, whatever you can stuff behind it :P
man this is perfect - i was just thinking of buying a direct drive wheel lmao
well it's cheap and worth the price, but comes with compromises. I hope this at least gives you more options
I recently bought myself a t300 GT edition used for arround 200 Euros and sold the G29 I had and i love it in comparison but you have to have some technical knowledge. This is because the T300 likely overheats. You should upgrade the fan!. It has decent pedals (with clutch, upgraded pedals kinda T3PM with worse/weaker brake spring) compared to the C5. I have seen that you can buy a 20 euro usb adapter for the pedals so if I want to upgrade I can likely keep the pedals (if i get it resold without them). I really dont like having a clutch and Cammus shipping to my place (Germany) just wasnt worth it the additional price.
A minus for the t300 is that the Desk clamp kinda sucks so i had to improvise my own.
If anyone has questions considering if its worth to upgrade from G29 or what exactly i had to do feel free to ask me.
Very interesting! My review unit came with a spare bolt in the pedal box - i wonder how that worked out
This wheel looks promising but they definitely need to adress some issues. For example both chrome and the windows antivirus kicking in for the driver freaks me out a bit. I read the comment that explains why it might be a thing but still that's a no no for me ngl.
But if they solve that issue my next upgrade might be buying their wheelbase, but not the pedals though. Not having a clutch is already a problem, and just based on how easily you could press down the brakes with your hand makes me believe buying a thrustmaster pedal set is the way to go.
Cool video though, as always
Well they say that the website is fixed, but dunno about the software though
As for pedals, they have some better pedals coming, but there are lots of options out there
If you only review things you have fun reviewing/using, I can see it working out as a component of your channel.
yeah, but there's not many things that interest me. I was also contacted by an extending desk company, I said no to the desk, but instead I wanted to get paid to put one into beamng for a meme video.... they declined :P
Idk if there is a delay on video but is the steering wheel set to 2000 degrees. Most games have around 1080 degrees but beamng has 2000 so putting that in the moza/cammus launcher and ingame would probably help a lot
Damn, that cost me more than My First Vr headset I got back in 2020. The one I still use to this day. The Occulus Quest 1!
For the price its great and the cheapest fanatec setup with a desk mount is 430€, but the main reason people get into fanatec is the eco system, with that 430€ setup there is an option to add a loadcell brake for 140€ later on or for 120€ if order it as a bunde, same goes with the 8nm boost kit, you can get that later on and get 3 more nm of torque for 150€ or for 100€ if you order it with the wheelbase.
The upgrade options are the main reason why i would want to get myself something from fanatec, i live in germany and i have a friend that had a very good experience with the support.
for moza the main problem i have heard is the shipping cost being very expensive and the R5 moza bundle is 500€ not including shipping.
with thrustmaster the price to get into the ecosystem on a DD is around 1k, i currently own a Thrustmaster TMX with around 2nm as a belt/gear wheel, sadly the TMX dosent have support for the quick release system from thrustmaster so i would have to pay 850€ for the DD and a new wheel rim.
The turtlebeach Velocity One Race is very interesting for 650€ as a bundle with a load cell but they dont currently have an eco system wich is a problem for some, i love drifting and D shaped wheels are usually not that good for drifting and not having the option to change the wheel on the Turtlebeach and the Cammus C5 is currently the main reason why i am not really considering both of them for myself
For most people having a low price to get into an ecosystem with alot of upgrades is great and currently the best thing about Fanatec and for console players fanatec is probably the best option if you dont want to run the wheel with 3rd party tools
I love your videos ^^
I wouldn't trust fanatec for the time being, I'm guessing there's going to be more shipping delays followed by major budget cuts, leading to less quality :/
I suggest moza personally
as for cammus I'd suggest it if you're not the sought to upgrade
yea i wont really have the money to get a new wheel until the start of 2025 so there is still alot of time for new things to launch and for fanatec to recover
I never understood why the game controller industry has been so hesitant to put force-feedback on everything, speakers don't cost that much...
looks like they upped the prices again XD
on 7:30 i see the full bundle is 289$ but when i look now ( 11th of June ) the price is 329$, ( even though it says -8% with a base price of $358 which, as a beginning wheel driver/gamer , this feels still, like way too much money. I think they've watched your video! :P
I know this comment isn’t relating to this video but I’ve been hunting for a video or anything of someone recreating a modern version of a straight eight engine, and I’ve seen your videos where you’ve done straight eights in automation. Is there a shot you would make a modern straight eight if it was made in the 2010s onward?
More simracing hardware content!! :)
yep, this will be the last one for a while, I just couldn't turn down looking at this thing
37:12 I had to LITERALLY destroy my desk from underneath to mount my G27 because its brackets are not long enough. This is definately better.
Day 7.2(gotta do it all today because i didnt had time)of commenting: You probably wont do it, but anyway. Here is a car Suggestion if you want: the Xiaomi su7. There are 3 variants of it, different in their Performance. I thought,that it would be a bit more of a Challenge if you would be able to switch modes in that car. But while driving, so you press a button and you can select between the Performance and the Suspension settings(like race mode with hard Suspension and comfort with soft ones). I thought Maybe 3 modes,and each mode should match the Performance of the 3 variants of the su7.
Maybe you are interessted.
Sorry for my bad Englisch,its not my native language. If you dont understand what i meant, i could try to rewrite it and explain it better if you want.
But anyways,i really love your videos
looks great, however i feel as if you are going for a sim rig, a clutch and shifter is a requirement. Another gripe i have is why do companies love to sell the wheel/base separate to the pedals?? yes i know theres a bundle that includes them, but how do you even use a wheel without the pedals??
Someone just reminded me that Logitech has an adapter for their pedals… so maybe if the wheel dies?
28:00 i think with the v1.0 they mean the version of the wheelbase insted of the software
Some blue thread lock for the stand is probably good. Or a longer threaded screw
Good idea, I have some locktight around somewhere
I know we've advanced a good bit technology wise, but I would expect most things to ask for a reboot after installing drivers. Having drivers that constantly trigger Antivirus and websites with expired security certificates don't inspire a lot of confidence in the company's longevity. I'd hope that they could fix that so that it feels like they'll be around long enough to get better. at $330 USD for the whole kit It seems about on par with some entry level Logitechs... still a lot of cash either way and I feel like beginners would probably just grab a cheep ass Hori wheel for 200 or a bottom tier Logitech for a little more, so this feels a bit more intermediate which might put it against slightly higher budget targets.
i wish i could get free stuff like you do 🤣🤣
man just last year companies said they weren't interested in working with me, so it feels good to finally "big enough"
Would it be possible make my own clutch and brake pedals to this? It looks great and I might get this one day.
you can buy the wheel and mount separate from the pedals
Enjoyed your review; you are very entertaining :) (subbed). One question, why Beam NG!? There are so many other(better) games to try it on. AMS2 has amazing FFB on my R5, and RaceRoom does too. So much so that I find myself ignoring ACC, my favourite sim, as the FFB is so much better on the other two games.
haha the status of “better” is subjective. AMS2 is also baby’s first simcade game. though the others are fine.
i like beamng because it’s where my audience is, and in some aspects its physics is unparalleled, so i just stick with it
@@fillman86 fair enough!
The reason why your wheel was shaking lole that is because you have reduced force when parking off happens to me and the clamp fornmenworks perfectly the top part f9es get a little undone but when i clamp it on it dosent move at all bo matter how much force
nah it's because beamng isn't great with forcefeedback, so it needs a lot of dampening
Just a thing about the website and why the message is there. It's basicly saying its not encrypted so everything transmitted through that connection can be seen and potentially even be exchanged (from a hacker in wlan or your provider technicly). The certificat is basicly the thing that enables you and them to be authentifcated by a third party to establish a encrypted connection.
The exe is also similar in that they didn't sign it. Means they are not verified by a third party and windows therefore doesn't know if that is not a virus.
Both things can be a bit annoying to set up but the first should be relativly easy with "let's encrypt" the second should be much more hassle.
Or rather they have a certificate thats expired and they didn't make a new one. Also thats the s(secure) in https.
hmmm they aren't a hidden away small company now, they're going to scare off customers with lax practices like that :/
@@fillman86 well yeah, the website stuff is mostly a thing that they just have to keep up with and i saw 5 May so depending on when you recorded it, they were behind a couple of days so not the worst in the world but still not great, i agree.
@@aladanor yeah, but it was like this a while ago as well, so it's not uncommon
@fillman86 Yeah well i just looked at the website it should be fine for the next 2 months on July the 7th it expires again, so yeah should work atm ^^
The fanatec thing is being fixed already, they've got a new post-sale support methodology and shipping has gotten faster. Aparently they're being bought by Corsair
Yeah, here’s hoping for a smooth transition, and their products ship working
Especially since i'm getting a CSL DD soon :/ @@fillman86
Just took a look at their US warehouse ("tax included") and the C5 bundle w/ pedals is $329 US. Sigh. For just a bit more there seems to be at least one other 5Nm combo... that *isn't* Fanantec. The very Moza R5 you showed in the diesel swap video is about $100 more and, given the swapable wheel, seems a better idea. But, I suppose, if one doesn't have that additional $100 lying around...
As for the rubber clamp pad... I would probably 3D print a TPU gasket that better buffers that.
It'll be interesting to see what happens if Corsair buys out Fanantec. It'd be nice to have more good options.
That’s 330 in a bundle, and the moza r5 bundle is more like $200 more by my maths
@@fillman86 Ah - I saw it on sale for $459. I guess I was lucky in my timing. (So, more like $130.)
You're right, though. If someone is just getting started, this looks to be a deal.
I just... don't think I like those drivers. Not to mention, I doubt it would work on a Linux system like my Steam Deck.
@@RegularOldDan ooooo right, that's a good point, I might make a short about that!! I think I'll be full time linux in a few years
Now I can become a sim racist for cheaper!
lol
@@fillman86 but seriously though I would have never known about this or beamng without your vids and your mods are fun to play with so thanks man 😭
I spent alot of money on a thrustmaster t300 rs. its very good for a first wheel. I know it will last me a while.
I have a G920 rn, and my pedals aren't doing so well, and my shifter is basically on its last leg
My accelerator pedal has a problem, that came out of nowhere, where it doesn't push all the way down unless i force it
And my shifter sometimes doesn't shift into gear, I think the switches are getting worn down somehow
yeah I had very similar issues, and I fully upgraded to a moza rig, but that's because I had youtube money to save for several months. If I didn't, I would have probably bought this lol
If someone could give a reasonable explanation for the weird security issues on their website, plus a bit more reliable firmware I would go for this wheel.
there's someone else who commented with a good (and long) explanation for both. Though it's still your choice
Im thinking of getting the c12 to replace my pxn v10, but they told me the driver is bad
also a great price, though I'll admit that I'd never heard of the pxn before
@fillman86 yea it is cheap, pxn v10 is basically a g29 but cheaper with bigger motor and better pedals
Damn wish I found out about this wheel about a year ago.
haha I don't think it existed a year ago, though their C15 did (cheap 15nm wheelbase)
@@fillman86oh well, I'm enjoying my G923.
Mery Christmas fillman
but it's not july yet
I fear for their longevity at that price point.
I have the same reservations, except it does feel incredibly solid. Time will tell though for the more delicate parts inside
Literally shipping from cammus is c5 is abnormally high it's like 200-250 euros depending where you are in europe
Check if there’s local retailers, I know I saw some in online shops
the funny thing i started sim driving few months before i started driving in driving school and on my 500rs the break is heavy and when pushing it after a centimeter it becomes really stiff so when i started driving a real car (peugeot 208) the break was so soft it felt like i was pressing the clutch and my instructor always said go easy on the breaks so in my opinion the breaks on the cammus c5 are realistic
lol if the brake pedal of any car feels like the C5, then your brakes have air bubbles in the lines :P that's dangerous
@@fillman86 ye it seemd wierd i barely have to press the break to start slowing down its sensitive and its easy to push in
Besides the looks of it, it’s good for being budget, definitely better than Logitech ❤😂
You have three stirring wheel now?btw,do you still have your old vr headset ?
I do, but it's promised to someone.
I wouldn't sell it though because the hinges are broken, the cable's worse for wear, and a scratch on one lens
@@fillman86 oh,i see.
For the price, I think it's worth it but damn it's one ugly duck
haha I agree, and I initially was off-put, but the moment I started using it, it no longer mattered
Try the of v10
it’s olso very cheap but has a good pedals and a nice steering wheel and a shifter ❤
theres a tutorial in here somewhere
lol
I’ve been looking at a pxnv10 for like $250
sure, this may be less complete than something like that, but is a lot more powerful which allows for more forcefeedback detail
it just comes down to if you don't want to deal with extra stuff just to go sim racing :)
@@fillman86 👍
20:10 dang... no feet cam
lol both my feet and floor are disgusting, so no
Really fillman at 9:30pm?!
bro its 2:30 pm
9pm for me :P it's when I always try to release. It's the prime time for australians and just before the boom of views from america. This gives it a boost for the algorithm
I don't like how it looks at all. Yes it's compact but for pretty much 10 dollars more you can get a Thrustmaster T300 RS GT (GT adds the clutch pedal) which is way way way better even though it's not direct drive, it is belt drive and has great FFB. (I own one)
I can't argue for their choice to not have a clutch, or how many of their products are ugly lol but I still feel the wheel is very good
I am into drifting very hard tho as I am on ps5 with no handbrake assets corsa no mods would love a pc
Love the vids keep it up
ah, there's not many wheels for playstation, mostly because of their anticompetitive contracts that cost the device makers quite a bit to get. I like gran turismo a lot, but being a playstation exclusive sucks :/
Is this available with a clutch pedal and shifter?
not as of yet, but they do have a 3 pedal load cell setup for pre-order
as for a shifter, I have a cheap amazon 7 speed, and as long as you don't care about noise, it's fine
soo, is there a clutch and stick add on/ set?
nah not yet. If noise isn't an issue, I'd suggest the cheap shifters on amazon
if you want a clutch, They have descent load cell set that looks incredibly cheap for pre-order
@@fillman86 sweet.... cus for some reason i can't drive sequential... tech really hates me for some reason
@@_blood_moon_proto_1500 yeah, the change of dexterity needs can be difficult. Though like any muscle memory, it can be trained
@@fillman86 you tried dysgraphia so bad you can knock yourself out to scratch an itch? muscle memory is impossible
I don't understand how a little controller like that could even cost $200
the thrustmaster controller? yeah, it's over priced, but at least it's low quality too -_-
fillman revews
Dont pis on fanatec fanatec = 10/10
nah, they did that themselves, and did it onto their customers too
unfortunately we've seen time after time what happens to companies that are bought out. I don't think corsair is going to be much different
Moza steering wheel just like the Goosiest
I’d better not respond with a shrimp meme
@@fillman86 Like MuYe 💀
Something is wrong with your Logitech pedal set. Mine do not do that and actually take a considerable amount of fine inputs with accuracy.
the pedals were upgraded around 2012 to have a rubber chock in them for better brake feel
@@fillman86 That was the worst thing logitech could have ever done to their brakes. My logitech brakes wouldn't fully engage regardless of being set to max sensitivity, until I pulled the rubber out
@@fillman86 Yeah I pulled the rubber out of mine like 2 days after buying it. It was way too stiff. I definitely had a later make as it did have the rubber so maybe it's now more reliable? Idk maybe I am crazy but it looked like the potentiometer was messed up or something. I didn't think it was your foot. But it was so inconsistent it looked like the pedal was starting to fail.
@@CrudeMastermind I suppose if you have some kind of muscular dystrophy, that can happen. You could have set a dead zone at the end of the throw
The price is a facade. They inflate the shipping cost by an outrageous amount. They have " USA" based warehouse yet the shipping is still 100 dollars, no thanks.
Yeah, I haven’t looked at all shipping and competitors too, but I heard it’s different in different places
Though taking the eBay approach to pricing does suck
im here with a g29
yeah I had a g920 for about 7 years and it was good for about 6 of those :)
I mean i have been looking for a wheel lol
well it's hard to argue with the price, and comes down to compromises :)
@@fillman86 well for a first wheel it wouldn't be bad and plus it would be better then just Keyboard and mouse so would help with content and sime racing :)
And fanatec went bankrupt
19:55 If there's only USB-C, could I use it on my Phone?😂
lol well android is Linux, so it’s possible
@@fillman86 Well, I once tried using my old Logitech G25 on a Linux PC, and it did not work. But maybe it was just a Logitech Problem. Btw, is there a way to use the LED indicator lights on the G29 on BeamNG?
@@timposter logitech (with basically all of them) love their proprietary software
as for using LEDs, I dunno, maybe google it?
on their site the wheel is 330$ :c
Yeah, I was quoting the wheel only price
wow
the hummus wheel looks weird
same with the cammus wheel ;)
Why the fuck do these companies have special software when there's supposed be standards for USB Human Input Devices?
oh it worked without, but it was hamstrung -_-
22:35 **cough capitalism cough**
yeah, agreed
Fanatec is ass, rather have a g920 than any fanatec stuff, I have a Thrustmaster TX with T-LCM pedals and TH8S shifter and I am more than happy
fair enough, just know that there's emerging new options. I'd suggest if you want more than what cammus is offering, Moza is a great option!
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feel like this is a bit dishonest. logitech one comes with all the entire set. while cammus for the close price only has the wheel not the pedals
And cammus has shipping too. The difference is Logitech has less than half the power, and uses clunky gears, though it does require less setup
for those looking to buy the CAMMUS C5 be VERY VERY VERY wary their QA is TERRIBLE so the odds you get a unit with some sort of annoying problem is pretty high, AND their support is USELESS. i emailed them about the problems i was facing and they literally just linked me tutorials on how to set it up (I had been using it for 150 hours at this point)
its an amazing product but if you look around very few have good experiences with their support. so aslong as you're okay with the chance of getting a dud and them never doing anything about it then 100% go for it cause its a very solid wheel when there are no issues especially considering the price
hmmm this is something that should impact your decision. Is there tear down tutorials to fix it? Hopefully ifixit will look at it soon
@@fillman86 I havent gotten to that point with it yet, but im pretty close to it. i may try replacing the USBport because ive heard that it has a habit of breaking connection
@@iMaCH are you good with soldering? I've ruined a bunch of electronics due to my incomitance lol
there's often electronics places that will do board level repair in pretty much every city
@@fillman86 yeeee i worked soldering for a long time so it should be fine, depends on the quality of their pads n such
I'd LOVE this wheel... If it wasn't unbearably hideous. You can keep costs low without making something this ugly. Maybe next time.
I do have to agree that it's ugly, though once I started using it, it doesn't matter any more
but yeah... if anyone comes over and sees it, I feel I'd have to explain it :P
The CCP malware side of things definitely does put me off getting this...
if you look through the comments, someone did explain what was happening. Though I fully understand the scepticism
the only reason I was willing to do it is because I know that all media companies have a forensic level profile on me already :( doesn't make me happy though
@@fillman86 Consequences can be a bit worse when it comes to countries instead of companies, at least usually (see the recent events with certain flying onomatopoeia for one potential exception...). But either way, if someone at either of those scales want me in specific dead strongly enough, they can probably figure out how make it look like suicide (which for the record, would be the wrong conclusion; the truth is, no matter what, I intend to live a very long life); but protection-by-layers at least make it a little harder to for me to become colateral damage.
when will you stop buying and collecting wheels but acutally get a good camera 🤣🤣🤣
haha I'm given this stuff, and I do have a good camera, but having it hang over head is the problem, so I just use a webcam
@@fillman86 try getting a insta360, they are pretty good
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Not trying to throw shade on your review but you shit on the Logitech way to hard the only thing the c5 has over the Logitech is torque and direct drive the pedals are trash no clutch the motor takes up way to much room from the wheel and you can’t upgrade the wheel. On the Logitech you have clutch options to change to an oversized wheel. I ran it for 2 1/2 years and had zero problems. And I’m betting that c5 has way more wheel oscillation you can just tell it’s a cheap design that is made to sound good. If you want a direct drive just get a r5 or an r9. Also fanitec is still A good product but customer service isn’t the best
it's true that the logitech isn't bad, but it has its issues, like noise and the gear feedback you get.
as for the centre size, unless you like to look through the wheel's gap to the centre, it actually don't effect it, in fact you tend to forget just how ugly this C5 is :P
True that these pedals don't have a clutch, and there's nothing I can say to that, other than I did show the number of pedals. I was also quite clear about how I was disappointed in the brake feel compared to the logitech ones
As for changing wheels on a logitech, you have to do some significant modifications to change it out (unless you're talking about the DD, but that's very different and unsupported). Changing the wheel on this seems like it's limited to their more expensive C12, or proper 15nm wheels. But the C5 is cheaper than a G932
my G920 was pretty good for 4 of the 7 years, and it served me well enough, but given the choice back then.... I'm not sure I'd choose the logitech. This wheel feels of similar build quality, and the forcefeedback is more powerful and so smooth (not as smooth as my Moza R9, but the difference isn't that big either).
As for Fanatec, I'd steer clear of them for now. Shipping issues, and what would be considered criminal acts in other countries aside, buy now before their buyout has happened, and corsair takes over. As many companies have shown recently, takeovers tend to be bad for the consumers :/
overall I'd say you have valid concerns, but my video was not false or even misleading, just different to what you expected?
50 views in 4 minutes bro fell off😂
yeah, this one is performing terribly actually
about 1/3 of what I'd like it to have
If you dont think anyone should watch your videos why do you even make them
It’s ok, not everyone has a sense of humour
cool but kinda ugly
yeah, I think the wheel fits that descriptions too :P
Shame it’s so damn ugly
yeah, though one I started using it, I didn't really notice that
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I'd LOVE this wheel... If it wasn't unbearably hideous. You can keep costs low without making something this ugly. Maybe next time.