Definitely have a look in some of the more popular E-208 groups on Facebook. Pretty much daily reports of issues, as these cars are getting older. I do like the car, but it really does have some issues where I think it's potentially a bit of a money/time pit (i.e. long waiting times for parts) and I would be hesitant to buy one second hand even though the prices are generally below the used EV market average. Unfortunately here in Germany the issues are a little bit better known, especially in forums like GoingElectric and used values are absolutely tanking for older Stellantis E-CMP cars (e208, Corsa, Mokka, Citroen E-C4 etc.) While I did get most of the repairs covered by Peugeot under warranty and good-will, I do expect the latter to become less common as these cars get older and Peugeot no longer sees the need to pay for things like the AC compressor out of warranty as they could cite age or "normal wear and tear".
I have a question Sir, what you think; can this particular car, withstand a tropical weather like in the Philippines dry and wet season, with occasional flooding when typhoon comes and scorching hot summers? This car is so cool and looks better than Nissan Leaf..
Hi. Other than the aforementioned common issues (onboard charger and AC compressor) the car has a good battery cooling system, so I think a tropical climate should not necessarily be an issue if you could somehow guarantee that the car you are buying has had these issues fixed (e.g. AC compressor and OBC replaced with the latest versions, assuming the same version as in the EU market). Of course regarding flooding, the car should never be submerged as this can cause damage like any car. In summary, I think the car can survive a tropical environment. But you will need to make sure that the car you are buying has the latest onboard charger and AC compressor to avoid the issues I suffered with my 2020 model.
Thanks for the review, was thinking of getting one as a second hand car (but in GT line). But this review made med think about it again. It was between en E-208, Zoe R135 or the MG ZS. The E-208 seems a bit smaler than the zoe and ZS.
The e-208 is quite cramped in the back, especially as you can’t slide your feet under the front seat since the batteries are mounted there. I can’t say much about the Zoe or ZS, I’ve now moved on to a MG4 extended range. ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.html I’ll be publishing my long term review of that car within the next week. But TL;DR: It’s been pretty good except for the app (sometimes needs multiple refreshes to work, digital key somewhat unreliable) and the lane keep assist, which is about the same as the e-208 but cannot be turned off permanently.
Although I hate clichés. It’s a Peugeot. They couldn’t build a decent petrol engine, why am I not surprised they can’t build a decent EV? The OBC problem is due to poor quality chips which they used, and the AC compressor because of sloppy manufacturing that allowed moisture into the circuit board of the electric AC compressor. Peugeot has had so many issues with their Puretech petrol, the old 1.6 VTi was a disaster, now the timing chains on the early 1.5 hdi are prone to failure and should be replaced. 🤷♂️ True to the stereotype I suppose. Almost every Peugeot engine design in the last 20 years has some catastrophic problem that crops up after a few years on the market. What I especially don’t like about Peugeot is they never tell you which models/series are affected by a particular problem, they don’t tell you what’s been improved when they replace parts. It’s just always “it‘s fixed now“ like with the first OBC that went. The same is true with the 1.5hdi they don’t tell you which series are affected or even which ones have the improved timing chain.
Very interesting, thank you for that review. I've had identical problems with the OBC at similar distances. First time replaced under warranty at 17000km, then again at 86000km, 3 years old, replaced OBC, but Peugeot did pay 80% of cost leaving me to pay 688€, and wondering how long it will last this time! But, like you, I'm loving the car in every other way. I have no desire to sell yet but further repair expenses could change my mind. Bonne route, gute fahre and have a good trip!
Thanks!, I am looking to sell the car, partially due to the fact I drive quite a lot and repair costs and waiting times are just not reasonable for me. But also as I have another EV to replace the Peugeot. I am somewhat worried about the resale value, as Germany had rather good used EV prices compared to the UK. That's starting to change now, with a lot of ex-lease cars hitting the market. Unfortunately I am still waiting for my OBC replacement and my dealer has no idea when the part will be available.
@@stuartburns8657 I just got my car back today after about 2.5 months waiting on the OBC. Thanks to a bit of pressure from my garage, Peugeot agreed to pay 100% parts and labour 🙌. Good news indeed, but definitely too much stress to be dealing with, always having to wait to hear whether they’ll pay something or not.
@@tzeimet Very pleased for you and the result. It's disgusting that they have the audacity to even ask for part payment for what is obviously a known fault and repeat issue for customers. Hopefully you can sell up and move on
Thanks for this video. Ive never seen the base model e-208, I didnt know that EV's could have manual rear passenger windows. It sounds nice when its driving at least, relaxing even.
Yeah, a bit disappointing to have windy windows on a 32k€ car (28k£). The e-208 wasn’t available in the active trim in the UK. I do like the cloth seats and leather steering wheel. As the faux leather seats and perforated leather steering wheel on the GT spec doesn’t wear as well with use.
Had mine for 15 months and done about 17,000 miles in UK. Just had my first problem - electric traction system fault, which turned out to be a problem with the 12V battery. The car wouldn’t start and also kept saying the charging cable was plugged in when it wasn’t. Easily fixed by breakdown cover man - just disconnected and reconnect ed the 12V battery but the car was completely immobilised until then. Seems the battery had lost some charge so just needed to run the car for a while, but I’d been driving it all week so not sure why it happened. It’s a company car so no costs for me to get fixed. Apart from that issue it’s been a lovely car to drive and own. Probably won’t have another one though as the leasing cost on these is very high now compared to something like an MG4.
It is a nice car to drive, I've got to give that to Peugeot. Likewise for the petrol 208. But the reliability of the first gen cars was just awful, and the fact that they didn't actually fix common issues like the OBC failure just rubs it in to be honest. I certainly hope the 2024 facelift is more reliable and the car gets the platform it deserved from the beginning. I haven't heard anything bad from the Jeep Avenger camp yet (fingers crossed), since that was the first car to get the new Stellantis Platform. But it's still to early to know whether the new platform is meaningfully more reliable.
I am so sorry to hear about the problems with your car, you look very disappointed with your experiences with it. A friend has a 208 and would like to have a car with an automatic gearbox and I was about to recommend that she bought an e-208. After watching this video, I won't. My car is 10 years old and am thinking of getting a small EV next year and the BYD Dolphin seems to be the best choice at the moment. Maybe you could have better luck with something like that?
I would be concerned about supply of parts in the UK/EU with a new (for europe) Chinese brand like BYD - check that parts and dealerships are near where you live that can service the Dolphin. Maybe do a bit of searching on forums to see how other drivers are getting on with them too?
I’ve actually moved on to a MG4 Extended Range, so far the experience has been overwhelming positive except for a couple of small software bugs. But I can’t really make any judgements about reliability since I’ve only driven the car about 3.5k mi so far. I’ve only seen one dolphin in the wild so far, and a few Atto 3’s. I’m just waiting for the parts to fix my e208 and then I’ll be selling it. My first impressions of the MG4: ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.htmlsi=zXKUpcItL94XeEw2
@@decimal1815Yep, I agree when it comes to dealerships, there are sparingly few dotted around Europe. BYD intends to start making cars in Hungary soon, so I hope that will improve the parts situation. Although as my Peugeot shows, it’s no guarantee as both the AC compressor and OBC are made by European manufacturers (Valeo and Mahle respectively) and I still had to wait months for both. cleantechnica.com/2023/12/23/byd-chooses-hungary-as-the-site-of-its-first-electric-car-factory-in-europe/amp/
MG4 is a fantastic EV. It's about £7k more than equivalent mileage e208s in the UK at the moment. Guess we'll just have to wait for prices to go down.. @@tzeimet
You might want to think twice or three times before getting a BYD! If they don't use a different battery tech, compared to home Chinese market ones, your car has a 100% guarantee to light your shit on fire at any point
Good extensive and honest review! I completely agree on your conclusions, if the model has issues then Peugeot should take at least the majority of the repair cost and not let the owners turn up for Peugeot's shortcomings. I hope my 2023 Corsa-e will fare better, with all its improvements. I can say that I saw in a Nextmove video that the OBC's are currently being replaced with a different part number, which hopefully last longer.... Does yours have the 1-phase OBC, considering it's the base model?
Thanks! Mine has the 3-Phase OBC as Peugeot offered it as a free upgrade back in 2020. Now it’s a paid option that costs 1,190€ with the 2024 facelift. Germany only allows up to 4.2kW on a single phase due to the unbalanced load, most houses have 3 phase electricity. The 3-phase OBC is supposedly more problematic than the single phase one though.
@@tzeimet Thanks! That explains why you had to change OBC a second time, I just hope that my Corsa-e already has the latest one.... My guess is that the conditions that that Stellantis agreed with the supplier on of the OBC (Mahle) is why the customer has to pay.... (i.e. who pays what when a part fails prematurely)
@@CreRay Could be, but I really have to wonder why they stuck with Mahle? No other car has as many OBC failures AFAIK. Anyway I’m not keen on believing anything Peugeot says, as it was supposed to be fixed the last time. Let’s wait a couple of years and see.
I have a October build 2020 version bought it off Peugeot as a used demo car in 2022 with 7000km's on it I did quite a bit of driving it has 93000km's on it now. They did a motor software update for the ac compressor 6 months ago and that is it I had zero problems so far no 12V and none of the problems that you listed range in summer is about 240km And 180kms in winter. I really like the car. But I also might sell it because Model 3's are getting really affordable on the second hand market now.
That's good to hear, definitely don't wish anyone a bad experience with the car. In the case that you have a 7kW OBC they are also more robust than our 11kW OBC, meaning to say the OBC failure is largely limited to the 11kW units. Which I later found out was the reason why the OBC issue is not particularly common in the UK, where cars almost exclusively have the 7kW OBC. The software update has to do with the car not bricking itself though in the event that the AC compressor shorts out, as before the software update the car might throw a traction fault warning as the AC compressor runs off the high voltage system. The M3 is a more capable car by all means. Definitely worth having a look at if its within your budget.
@@tzeimet Update I did not yet buy a M3 because it seemed that my car was pretty reliable until last week 😂 It started throwing error codes on the dash Electric traction system fault. It turned out to be an isolation fault in a HV cable running from the battery to the electric motor. It was A 1000 euro repair out of warranty of course. After it everything seemed to be fine until 3 days ago the same error popped up now it is in the shop for the past 3 days without any update yet. I am already looking at a replacement. The fact this just happened to me brought me back to this video. And made me decide that it might be time to get rid of it.
@@nickman011 That's a real shame, I really think a lot of these cars are going to have some form of major issue as the mileage creeps up on them. I had a similar issue with the HV cabling on the CCS charge port.
The ID.3 is known for somewhat high battery degradation as you can see on the channel battery life and his experiences. My choice would be a Kona or Ioniq 38kWh, real world range is about the same as the e208, only the charging speed is quite a bit slower unfortunately. The 64kWh Kona has better range but also more expensive. The 2nd gen Kia E-Soul or Kia E-Niro might also be worth looking at. youtube.com/@batterylife?si=aIe3W1l0P8n82YlO
@@tzeimet Thank you for answer! I would like to study more info also about Mini ev (2021-22) or Mazda MX-30, where battery is not big but I need every day 40-80km, no more, so I can charge every night in my garage...
@@palusisko I don't know much about reliability, but the Mini SE does seem like a pretty great car if you don't need much range. It's very efficient, and Mini's are very fun to drive (although admittedly I've only driven the F56 petrol variety)
Yeah, it’s a fun car to drive and I even took some long journeys with the car, even down to Barcelona last year. But the reliability with this car has been horrendous, even the same extremely expensive part (OBC) breaking twice in only 90,000km, a part that should last the lifetime of the car.
No. Generally I would definitely not recommend such an early version of the car as the OBC issues were very common at that time, especially if you have the 11kW OBC. The 11kW OBC is now on its 3rd revision since 2020. The defective moisture trap in the AC compressor also affects cars made up to 05/2022 and will eventually lead to the compressor failing. If you really want an e208 I would really look at something late 2022 onwards. To check the degradation you need a Bluetooth enabled OBD dongle (I use the Vlinker MC+) and a compatible app such as Carscanner. To OBD port can be found by removing the plastic panel under the steering column on LHD cars or behind a plastic panel in the glovebox for RHD cars. Once you have connected to the Bluetooth dongle and set up carscanner you can read the degradation value as calculated by the car’s battery management computer. Although a third party device such as Aviloo may be able to give a more accurate estimate. As you drive the car from 100% to near empty and the device uses this data to calculate the real capacity using consumption data.
I bought mine in Nov 2020 and now it has 80.900km. 1. ADAS system with cameras replaced under warranty (c. 20.000km) 2. AC Compressor (c. 80.000km) 1900€ out of warranty
That's really unacceptable imo. I don't know how things are where you're located. But in my case (Germany), and similar cases from various FaceBook groups most people are getting their AC compressor paid out of goodwill by Peugeot even out of warranty. As it's a known manufacturing defect. Did your dealer even file a request with Peugeot? as some dealers are far too lazy to even bother doing that.
Yeah. Kind of in the same situation my e-208, those that are in the know about her problems e.g. dealers/used car places seem apprehensive to buy them at a reasonable price. Private buyers can benefit from a market flooded by ex-leasing cars offered at low prices regardless of trim and mileage with a used car warranty which isn’t the case for a private seller such as myself.
We have one of these but with the 11kWh charger and no faults for 4 years now. We have a second Citroen version and it’s also fault free for 1,5 years now, also 11kWh model.
Yes, age is also a problem. I’ve read something like 1% per year even without driving the car. It’s best to store them around 50% charge when not using the cars for a long period of time. These traditional lithium (NMC) cells hate being stored at too low or very high states of charge. If the battery gets too low, “below 0” (if they are stored at low charge and self-discharge below 0%) then they are pretty much dead as @aging wheels demonstrated with his Wheego.
Unacceptably common on early models. The 11kW OBC on these early models is very unreliable, and the AC compressor is almost a matter of when rather than if. Since most people don’t drive their EVs that far, it’s often the 2nd or 3rd owner that gets saddled with these problems.
@@tzeimet Thanks They're great looking and drive really well This news has probably made me look again at the Kona Even though it's ugly 🤣 I only need 150 miles of range realistically but 280 would be nice I suppose
@@rasmussnderup1461 My garage's chief mechanic mentioned to me that there have been 3 revisions (by part number) of the 11kW OBC since 2020, and anecdotally he sees less cars come in for OBC replacement. But I can't really say anything more definitive than that. Probably the ones made 2023 and later with the latest 11kW OBC might be better.
@@rasmussnderup1461I also thinking about buying Dec 2022. Do you know if the issues are gone or not. If not then I will not buy it. Thx for your answer in advance
Still waiting for the onboard charger since October 2023. Now Jan 2024
Update: Got the car back 26/01/2024. 100% Parts and Labour paid by Peugeot.
Im gutted now i was looking forward to buying one this is the first video that has highlighted problems so thanks for the heads up 😢
Definitely have a look in some of the more popular E-208 groups on Facebook. Pretty much daily reports of issues, as these cars are getting older. I do like the car, but it really does have some issues where I think it's potentially a bit of a money/time pit (i.e. long waiting times for parts) and I would be hesitant to buy one second hand even though the prices are generally below the used EV market average.
Unfortunately here in Germany the issues are a little bit better known, especially in forums like GoingElectric and used values are absolutely tanking for older Stellantis E-CMP cars (e208, Corsa, Mokka, Citroen E-C4 etc.)
While I did get most of the repairs covered by Peugeot under warranty and good-will, I do expect the latter to become less common as these cars get older and Peugeot no longer sees the need to pay for things like the AC compressor out of warranty as they could cite age or "normal wear and tear".
I have a question Sir, what you think; can this particular car, withstand a tropical weather like in the Philippines dry and wet season, with occasional flooding when typhoon comes and scorching hot summers?
This car is so cool and looks better than Nissan Leaf..
Hi.
Other than the aforementioned common issues (onboard charger and AC compressor) the car has a good battery cooling system, so I think a tropical climate should not necessarily be an issue if you could somehow guarantee that the car you are buying has had these issues fixed (e.g. AC compressor and OBC replaced with the latest versions, assuming the same version as in the EU market). Of course regarding flooding, the car should never be submerged as this can cause damage like any car.
In summary, I think the car can survive a tropical environment. But you will need to make sure that the car you are buying has the latest onboard charger and AC compressor to avoid the issues I suffered with my 2020 model.
@@tzeimet thank you n_n
This is an excellently detailed video.
Great work. Thanks.
Very handy for someone looking at buying a used instance of this model.
👍👍👍
Thanks! I'm happy to hear my video was helpful
Thanks for the review, was thinking of getting one as a second hand car (but in GT line). But this review made med think about it again. It was between en E-208, Zoe R135 or the MG ZS. The E-208 seems a bit smaler than the zoe and ZS.
The e-208 is quite cramped in the back, especially as you can’t slide your feet under the front seat since the batteries are mounted there. I can’t say much about the Zoe or ZS, I’ve now moved on to a MG4 extended range.
ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.html
I’ll be publishing my long term review of that car within the next week. But TL;DR: It’s been pretty good except for the app (sometimes needs multiple refreshes to work, digital key somewhat unreliable) and the lane keep assist, which is about the same as the e-208 but cannot be turned off permanently.
So generally speaking, you have more failures in EV than petrol ones, when they are suppossed to be more simple?
Although I hate clichés. It’s a Peugeot. They couldn’t build a decent petrol engine, why am I not surprised they can’t build a decent EV?
The OBC problem is due to poor quality chips which they used, and the AC compressor because of sloppy manufacturing that allowed moisture into the circuit board of the electric AC compressor.
Peugeot has had so many issues with their Puretech petrol, the old 1.6 VTi was a disaster, now the timing chains on the early 1.5 hdi are prone to failure and should be replaced.
🤷♂️ True to the stereotype I suppose.
Almost every Peugeot engine design in the last 20 years has some catastrophic problem that crops up after a few years on the market.
What I especially don’t like about Peugeot is they never tell you which models/series are affected by a particular problem, they don’t tell you what’s been improved when they replace parts. It’s just always “it‘s fixed now“ like with the first OBC that went. The same is true with the 1.5hdi they don’t tell you which series are affected or even which ones have the improved timing chain.
Very interesting, thank you for that review. I've had identical problems with the OBC at similar distances. First time replaced under warranty at 17000km, then again at 86000km, 3 years old, replaced OBC, but Peugeot did pay 80% of cost leaving me to pay 688€, and wondering how long it will last this time! But, like you, I'm loving the car in every other way. I have no desire to sell yet but further repair expenses could change my mind. Bonne route, gute fahre and have a good trip!
Thanks!, I am looking to sell the car, partially due to the fact I drive quite a lot and repair costs and waiting times are just not reasonable for me. But also as I have another EV to replace the Peugeot. I am somewhat worried about the resale value, as Germany had rather good used EV prices compared to the UK. That's starting to change now, with a lot of ex-lease cars hitting the market. Unfortunately I am still waiting for my OBC replacement and my dealer has no idea when the part will be available.
Can't believe you even paid 20% when they've obviously got a reliability known issue with that part.
I'd have fought that tooth and nail
@@stuartburns8657 I just got my car back today after about 2.5 months waiting on the OBC. Thanks to a bit of pressure from my garage, Peugeot agreed to pay 100% parts and labour 🙌. Good news indeed, but definitely too much stress to be dealing with, always having to wait to hear whether they’ll pay something or not.
@@tzeimet Very pleased for you and the result. It's disgusting that they have the audacity to even ask for part payment for what is obviously a known fault and repeat issue for customers.
Hopefully you can sell up and move on
@@stuartburns8657 Thanks!
Thanks for this video. Ive never seen the base model e-208, I didnt know that EV's could have manual rear passenger windows. It sounds nice when its driving at least, relaxing even.
Yeah, a bit disappointing to have windy windows on a 32k€ car (28k£). The e-208 wasn’t available in the active trim in the UK. I do like the cloth seats and leather steering wheel. As the faux leather seats and perforated leather steering wheel on the GT spec doesn’t wear as well with use.
Had mine for 15 months and done about 17,000 miles in UK. Just had my first problem - electric traction system fault, which turned out to be a problem with the 12V battery. The car wouldn’t start and also kept saying the charging cable was plugged in when it wasn’t.
Easily fixed by breakdown cover man - just disconnected and reconnect ed the 12V battery but the car was completely immobilised until then. Seems the battery had lost some charge so just needed to run the car for a while, but I’d been driving it all week so not sure why it happened.
It’s a company car so no costs for me to get fixed. Apart from that issue it’s been a lovely car to drive and own. Probably won’t have another one though as the leasing cost on these is very high now compared to something like an MG4.
It is a nice car to drive, I've got to give that to Peugeot. Likewise for the petrol 208. But the reliability of the first gen cars was just awful, and the fact that they didn't actually fix common issues like the OBC failure just rubs it in to be honest. I certainly hope the 2024 facelift is more reliable and the car gets the platform it deserved from the beginning. I haven't heard anything bad from the Jeep Avenger camp yet (fingers crossed), since that was the first car to get the new Stellantis Platform. But it's still to early to know whether the new platform is meaningfully more reliable.
Excellent video in regards of buying a second hand car or used car.
Thanks!
I am so sorry to hear about the problems with your car, you look very disappointed with your experiences with it.
A friend has a 208 and would like to have a car with an automatic gearbox and I was about to recommend that she bought an e-208. After watching this video, I won't.
My car is 10 years old and am thinking of getting a small EV next year and the BYD Dolphin seems to be the best choice at the moment. Maybe you could have better luck with something like that?
I would be concerned about supply of parts in the UK/EU with a new (for europe) Chinese brand like BYD - check that parts and dealerships are near where you live that can service the Dolphin. Maybe do a bit of searching on forums to see how other drivers are getting on with them too?
I’ve actually moved on to a MG4 Extended Range, so far the experience has been overwhelming positive except for a couple of small software bugs. But I can’t really make any judgements about reliability since I’ve only driven the car about 3.5k mi so far. I’ve only seen one dolphin in the wild so far, and a few Atto 3’s. I’m just waiting for the parts to fix my e208 and then I’ll be selling it.
My first impressions of the MG4: ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.htmlsi=zXKUpcItL94XeEw2
@@decimal1815Yep, I agree when it comes to dealerships, there are sparingly few dotted around Europe. BYD intends to start making cars in Hungary soon, so I hope that will improve the parts situation. Although as my Peugeot shows, it’s no guarantee as both the AC compressor and OBC are made by European manufacturers (Valeo and Mahle respectively) and I still had to wait months for both.
cleantechnica.com/2023/12/23/byd-chooses-hungary-as-the-site-of-its-first-electric-car-factory-in-europe/amp/
MG4 is a fantastic EV. It's about £7k more than equivalent mileage e208s in the UK at the moment. Guess we'll just have to wait for prices to go down.. @@tzeimet
You might want to think twice or three times before getting a BYD! If they don't use a different battery tech, compared to home Chinese market ones, your car has a 100% guarantee to light your shit on fire at any point
Good extensive and honest review! I completely agree on your conclusions, if the model has issues then Peugeot should take at least the majority of the repair cost and not let the owners turn up for Peugeot's shortcomings. I hope my 2023 Corsa-e will fare better, with all its improvements. I can say that I saw in a Nextmove video that the OBC's are currently being replaced with a different part number, which hopefully last longer.... Does yours have the 1-phase OBC, considering it's the base model?
Thanks! Mine has the 3-Phase OBC as Peugeot offered it as a free upgrade back in 2020. Now it’s a paid option that costs 1,190€ with the 2024 facelift. Germany only allows up to 4.2kW on a single phase due to the unbalanced load, most houses have 3 phase electricity. The 3-phase OBC is supposedly more problematic than the single phase one though.
@@tzeimet Thanks! That explains why you had to change OBC a second time, I just hope that my Corsa-e already has the latest one.... My guess is that the conditions that that Stellantis agreed with the supplier on of the OBC (Mahle) is why the customer has to pay.... (i.e. who pays what when a part fails prematurely)
@@CreRay Could be, but I really have to wonder why they stuck with Mahle? No other car has as many OBC failures AFAIK. Anyway I’m not keen on believing anything Peugeot says, as it was supposed to be fixed the last time. Let’s wait a couple of years and see.
Not a single problem with mine yet, but it is a e-2008 GT MY22 (toggle shifter)
I have a October build 2020 version bought it off Peugeot as a used demo car in 2022 with 7000km's on it I did quite a bit of driving it has 93000km's on it now.
They did a motor software update for the ac compressor 6 months ago and that is it I had zero problems so far no 12V and none of the problems that you listed range in summer is about 240km And 180kms in winter. I really like the car. But I also might sell it because Model 3's are getting really affordable on the second hand market now.
That's good to hear, definitely don't wish anyone a bad experience with the car. In the case that you have a 7kW OBC they are also more robust than our 11kW OBC, meaning to say the OBC failure is largely limited to the 11kW units. Which I later found out was the reason why the OBC issue is not particularly common in the UK, where cars almost exclusively have the 7kW OBC.
The software update has to do with the car not bricking itself though in the event that the AC compressor shorts out, as before the software update the car might throw a traction fault warning as the AC compressor runs off the high voltage system.
The M3 is a more capable car by all means. Definitely worth having a look at if its within your budget.
@@tzeimet Update I did not yet buy a M3 because it seemed that my car was pretty reliable until last week 😂 It started throwing error codes on the dash Electric traction system fault. It turned out to be an isolation fault in a HV cable running from the battery to the electric motor. It was A 1000 euro repair out of warranty of course. After it everything seemed to be fine until 3 days ago the same error popped up now it is in the shop for the past 3 days without any update yet. I am already looking at a replacement. The fact this just happened to me brought me back to this video. And made me decide that it might be time to get rid of it.
@@nickman011 That's a real shame, I really think a lot of these cars are going to have some form of major issue as the mileage creeps up on them. I had a similar issue with the HV cabling on the CCS charge port.
Very useful review - thanx a lot! I am going to buy small ev but I am scary from your costs of repairs... So maybe VW ID3 is more reliable ?
The ID.3 is known for somewhat high battery degradation as you can see on the channel battery life and his experiences. My choice would be a Kona or Ioniq 38kWh, real world range is about the same as the e208, only the charging speed is quite a bit slower unfortunately. The 64kWh Kona has better range but also more expensive. The 2nd gen Kia E-Soul or Kia E-Niro might also be worth looking at.
youtube.com/@batterylife?si=aIe3W1l0P8n82YlO
@@tzeimet Thank you for answer! I would like to study more info also about Mini ev (2021-22) or Mazda MX-30, where battery is not big but I need every day 40-80km, no more, so I can charge every night in my garage...
@@palusisko I don't know much about reliability, but the Mini SE does seem like a pretty great car if you don't need much range. It's very efficient, and Mini's are very fun to drive (although admittedly I've only driven the F56 petrol variety)
thx for the warning,will delete it from my next car list
Yeah, it’s a fun car to drive and I even took some long journeys with the car, even down to Barcelona last year. But the reliability with this car has been horrendous, even the same extremely expensive part (OBC) breaking twice in only 90,000km, a part that should last the lifetime of the car.
Indeed, second!
Me too - does the Corsa-e have the same issues?
technically the same car,so yes@@decimal1815
@@decimal1815Yes, it’s mechanically identical to the e208
Hi, great video i love it!
Would you recommend buying 2020 GT model, on 32 000miles.
How do you check the battery degradation?
No. Generally I would definitely not recommend such an early version of the car as the OBC issues were very common at that time, especially if you have the 11kW OBC. The 11kW OBC is now on its 3rd revision since 2020. The defective moisture trap in the AC compressor also affects cars made up to 05/2022 and will eventually lead to the compressor failing. If you really want an e208 I would really look at something late 2022 onwards.
To check the degradation you need a Bluetooth enabled OBD dongle (I use the Vlinker MC+) and a compatible app such as Carscanner. To OBD port can be found by removing the plastic panel under the steering column on LHD cars or behind a plastic panel in the glovebox for RHD cars. Once you have connected to the Bluetooth dongle and set up carscanner you can read the degradation value as calculated by the car’s battery management computer.
Although a third party device such as Aviloo may be able to give a more accurate estimate. As you drive the car from 100% to near empty and the device uses this data to calculate the real capacity using consumption data.
I bought mine in Nov 2020 and now it has 80.900km.
1. ADAS system with cameras replaced under warranty (c. 20.000km)
2. AC Compressor (c. 80.000km) 1900€ out of warranty
That's really unacceptable imo. I don't know how things are where you're located. But in my case (Germany), and similar cases from various FaceBook groups most people are getting their AC compressor paid out of goodwill by Peugeot even out of warranty. As it's a known manufacturing defect.
Did your dealer even file a request with Peugeot? as some dealers are far too lazy to even bother doing that.
@@tzeimet I live in Italy. You are right anyway. I just wanted my car fixed soon because I need it to go to work.
Same has my corsa e hate it now really trying to get rid of keeps breaking down
Yeah. Kind of in the same situation my e-208, those that are in the know about her problems e.g. dealers/used car places seem apprehensive to buy them at a reasonable price.
Private buyers can benefit from a market flooded by ex-leasing cars offered at low prices regardless of trim and mileage with a used car warranty which isn’t the case for a private seller such as myself.
We have one of these but with the 11kWh charger and no faults for 4 years now. We have a second Citroen version and it’s also fault free for 1,5 years now, also 11kWh model.
What sort of mileage?
@@tzeimet 90000 km
@@Sherukka Not Bad.
@@tzeimet Well, it sounds here in the chat that some parts will sooner or later give in but we’ll see…
its nice to see some real experience about reasonably priced cars! wonder the battery degradation is just about the mileage or the year affect too?
Yes, age is also a problem. I’ve read something like 1% per year even without driving the car. It’s best to store them around 50% charge when not using the cars for a long period of time. These traditional lithium (NMC) cells hate being stored at too low or very high states of charge. If the battery gets too low, “below 0” (if they are stored at low charge and self-discharge below 0%) then they are pretty much dead as @aging wheels demonstrated with his Wheego.
@@tzeimet thanks for quick response
Are these faults common?
Unacceptably common on early models. The 11kW OBC on these early models is very unreliable, and the AC compressor is almost a matter of when rather than if. Since most people don’t drive their EVs that far, it’s often the 2nd or 3rd owner that gets saddled with these problems.
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Thanks
They're great looking and drive really well
This news has probably made me look again at the Kona
Even though it's ugly 🤣
I only need 150 miles of range realistically but 280 would be nice I suppose
@@tzeimethey, looking to buy a used e-208 from march 2022. Do you know if the OBC problems is fixed in the newer cars?
@@rasmussnderup1461 My garage's chief mechanic mentioned to me that there have been 3 revisions (by part number) of the 11kW OBC since 2020, and anecdotally he sees less cars come in for OBC replacement. But I can't really say anything more definitive than that. Probably the ones made 2023 and later with the latest 11kW OBC might be better.
@@rasmussnderup1461I also thinking about buying Dec 2022. Do you know if the issues are gone or not. If not then I will not buy it. Thx for your answer in advance