Very interesting, thank you for that review. I've had identical problems with the OBC at similar distances. First time replaced under warranty at 17000km, then again at 86000km, 3 years old, replaced OBC, but Peugeot did pay 80% of cost leaving me to pay 688€, and wondering how long it will last this time! But, like you, I'm loving the car in every other way. I have no desire to sell yet but further repair expenses could change my mind. Bonne route, gute fahre and have a good trip!
Thanks!, I am looking to sell the car, partially due to the fact I drive quite a lot and repair costs and waiting times are just not reasonable for me. But also as I have another EV to replace the Peugeot. I am somewhat worried about the resale value, as Germany had rather good used EV prices compared to the UK. That's starting to change now, with a lot of ex-lease cars hitting the market. Unfortunately I am still waiting for my OBC replacement and my dealer has no idea when the part will be available.
@@stuartburns8657 I just got my car back today after about 2.5 months waiting on the OBC. Thanks to a bit of pressure from my garage, Peugeot agreed to pay 100% parts and labour 🙌. Good news indeed, but definitely too much stress to be dealing with, always having to wait to hear whether they’ll pay something or not.
@@tzeimet Very pleased for you and the result. It's disgusting that they have the audacity to even ask for part payment for what is obviously a known fault and repeat issue for customers. Hopefully you can sell up and move on
Thanks for this video. Ive never seen the base model e-208, I didnt know that EV's could have manual rear passenger windows. It sounds nice when its driving at least, relaxing even.
Yeah, a bit disappointing to have windy windows on a 32k€ car (28k£). The e-208 wasn’t available in the active trim in the UK. I do like the cloth seats and leather steering wheel. As the faux leather seats and perforated leather steering wheel on the GT spec doesn’t wear as well with use.
Had mine for 15 months and done about 17,000 miles in UK. Just had my first problem - electric traction system fault, which turned out to be a problem with the 12V battery. The car wouldn’t start and also kept saying the charging cable was plugged in when it wasn’t. Easily fixed by breakdown cover man - just disconnected and reconnect ed the 12V battery but the car was completely immobilised until then. Seems the battery had lost some charge so just needed to run the car for a while, but I’d been driving it all week so not sure why it happened. It’s a company car so no costs for me to get fixed. Apart from that issue it’s been a lovely car to drive and own. Probably won’t have another one though as the leasing cost on these is very high now compared to something like an MG4.
It is a nice car to drive, I've got to give that to Peugeot. Likewise for the petrol 208. But the reliability of the first gen cars was just awful, and the fact that they didn't actually fix common issues like the OBC failure just rubs it in to be honest. I certainly hope the 2024 facelift is more reliable and the car gets the platform it deserved from the beginning. I haven't heard anything bad from the Jeep Avenger camp yet (fingers crossed), since that was the first car to get the new Stellantis Platform. But it's still to early to know whether the new platform is meaningfully more reliable.
@@tzeimetHad 2 more problems recently, same error messages as before. Off road for three weeks first time, same problem 6 weeks later and software re-flashed. Just back on the road, but my wife has lost confidence in the car as she’s been stranded twice now. Given we’ve only done about 25,000 miles that’s poor. Mines a 2022 model but probably has the 2021 underpinnings. It has the newer mode selector but that’s it. Really is a shame as it’s such a lovely car to drive, but I won’t be going for a Stellantis car when my lease runs out next year. Looking at a Kona or MG4 next.
@@ISuperTed I feel the same way about Stellantis, it's a shame because the new e-3008 looks decent on paper but I'm seeing some similar software issues cropping up in various fb groups. As for the MG4, I currently drive a MG4 Extended Range as my daily driver, some of the early models till about early 2023 had issues with a leaky gearbox but most of those cars should be fixed. They also had an annoying driver attention monitoring system. The new facelift cars (Trophy/Trophy ER) are better mechanically but the Lane Keep Assist is still annoying. I've also read that there is an ongoing issue with the plastic underbody cover warping over time. ruclips.net/video/mJFDvsDfos4/видео.htmlsi=z8ACRquum5C3iCZv (my review of the MG4 ER)
Definitely have a look in some of the more popular E-208 groups on Facebook. Pretty much daily reports of issues, as these cars are getting older. I do like the car, but it really does have some issues where I think it's potentially a bit of a money/time pit (i.e. long waiting times for parts) and I would be hesitant to buy one second hand even though the prices are generally below the used EV market average. Unfortunately here in Germany the issues are a little bit better known, especially in forums like GoingElectric and used values are absolutely tanking for older Stellantis E-CMP cars (e208, Corsa, Mokka, Citroen E-C4 etc.) While I did get most of the repairs covered by Peugeot under warranty and good-will, I do expect the latter to become less common as these cars get older and Peugeot no longer sees the need to pay for things like the AC compressor out of warranty as they could cite age or "normal wear and tear".
Thanks for the review, was thinking of getting one as a second hand car (but in GT line). But this review made med think about it again. It was between en E-208, Zoe R135 or the MG ZS. The E-208 seems a bit smaler than the zoe and ZS.
The e-208 is quite cramped in the back, especially as you can’t slide your feet under the front seat since the batteries are mounted there. I can’t say much about the Zoe or ZS, I’ve now moved on to a MG4 extended range. ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.html I’ll be publishing my long term review of that car within the next week. But TL;DR: It’s been pretty good except for the app (sometimes needs multiple refreshes to work, digital key somewhat unreliable) and the lane keep assist, which is about the same as the e-208 but cannot be turned off permanently.
Good extensive and honest review! I completely agree on your conclusions, if the model has issues then Peugeot should take at least the majority of the repair cost and not let the owners turn up for Peugeot's shortcomings. I hope my 2023 Corsa-e will fare better, with all its improvements. I can say that I saw in a Nextmove video that the OBC's are currently being replaced with a different part number, which hopefully last longer.... Does yours have the 1-phase OBC, considering it's the base model?
Thanks! Mine has the 3-Phase OBC as Peugeot offered it as a free upgrade back in 2020. Now it’s a paid option that costs 1,190€ with the 2024 facelift. Germany only allows up to 4.2kW on a single phase due to the unbalanced load, most houses have 3 phase electricity. The 3-phase OBC is supposedly more problematic than the single phase one though.
@@tzeimet Thanks! That explains why you had to change OBC a second time, I just hope that my Corsa-e already has the latest one.... My guess is that the conditions that that Stellantis agreed with the supplier on of the OBC (Mahle) is why the customer has to pay.... (i.e. who pays what when a part fails prematurely)
@@CreRay Could be, but I really have to wonder why they stuck with Mahle? No other car has as many OBC failures AFAIK. Anyway I’m not keen on believing anything Peugeot says, as it was supposed to be fixed the last time. Let’s wait a couple of years and see.
We have one of these but with the 11kWh charger and no faults for 4 years now. We have a second Citroen version and it’s also fault free for 1,5 years now, also 11kWh model.
Yes, age is also a problem. I’ve read something like 1% per year even without driving the car. It’s best to store them around 50% charge when not using the cars for a long period of time. These traditional lithium (NMC) cells hate being stored at too low or very high states of charge. If the battery gets too low, “below 0” (if they are stored at low charge and self-discharge below 0%) then they are pretty much dead as @aging wheels demonstrated with his Wheego.
I am so sorry to hear about the problems with your car, you look very disappointed with your experiences with it. A friend has a 208 and would like to have a car with an automatic gearbox and I was about to recommend that she bought an e-208. After watching this video, I won't. My car is 10 years old and am thinking of getting a small EV next year and the BYD Dolphin seems to be the best choice at the moment. Maybe you could have better luck with something like that?
I would be concerned about supply of parts in the UK/EU with a new (for europe) Chinese brand like BYD - check that parts and dealerships are near where you live that can service the Dolphin. Maybe do a bit of searching on forums to see how other drivers are getting on with them too?
I’ve actually moved on to a MG4 Extended Range, so far the experience has been overwhelming positive except for a couple of small software bugs. But I can’t really make any judgements about reliability since I’ve only driven the car about 3.5k mi so far. I’ve only seen one dolphin in the wild so far, and a few Atto 3’s. I’m just waiting for the parts to fix my e208 and then I’ll be selling it. My first impressions of the MG4: ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.htmlsi=zXKUpcItL94XeEw2
@@decimal1815Yep, I agree when it comes to dealerships, there are sparingly few dotted around Europe. BYD intends to start making cars in Hungary soon, so I hope that will improve the parts situation. Although as my Peugeot shows, it’s no guarantee as both the AC compressor and OBC are made by European manufacturers (Valeo and Mahle respectively) and I still had to wait months for both. cleantechnica.com/2023/12/23/byd-chooses-hungary-as-the-site-of-its-first-electric-car-factory-in-europe/amp/
MG4 is a fantastic EV. It's about £7k more than equivalent mileage e208s in the UK at the moment. Guess we'll just have to wait for prices to go down.. @@tzeimet
You might want to think twice or three times before getting a BYD! If they don't use a different battery tech, compared to home Chinese market ones, your car has a 100% guarantee to light your shit on fire at any point
I bought mine in Nov 2020 and now it has 80.900km. 1. ADAS system with cameras replaced under warranty (c. 20.000km) 2. AC Compressor (c. 80.000km) 1900€ out of warranty
That's really unacceptable imo. I don't know how things are where you're located. But in my case (Germany), and similar cases from various FaceBook groups most people are getting their AC compressor paid out of goodwill by Peugeot even out of warranty. As it's a known manufacturing defect. Did your dealer even file a request with Peugeot? as some dealers are far too lazy to even bother doing that.
I have a question Sir, what you think; can this particular car, withstand a tropical weather like in the Philippines dry and wet season, with occasional flooding when typhoon comes and scorching hot summers? This car is so cool and looks better than Nissan Leaf..
Hi. Other than the aforementioned common issues (onboard charger and AC compressor) the car has a good battery cooling system, so I think a tropical climate should not necessarily be an issue if you could somehow guarantee that the car you are buying has had these issues fixed (e.g. AC compressor and OBC replaced with the latest versions, assuming the same version as in the EU market). Of course regarding flooding, the car should never be submerged as this can cause damage like any car. In summary, I think the car can survive a tropical environment. But you will need to make sure that the car you are buying has the latest onboard charger and AC compressor to avoid the issues I suffered with my 2020 model.
No. Generally I would definitely not recommend such an early version of the car as the OBC issues were very common at that time, especially if you have the 11kW OBC. The 11kW OBC is now on its 3rd revision since 2020. The defective moisture trap in the AC compressor also affects cars made up to 05/2022 and will eventually lead to the compressor failing. If you really want an e208 I would really look at something late 2022 onwards. To check the degradation you need a Bluetooth enabled OBD dongle (I use the Vlinker MC+) and a compatible app such as Carscanner. To OBD port can be found by removing the plastic panel under the steering column on LHD cars or behind a plastic panel in the glovebox for RHD cars. Once you have connected to the Bluetooth dongle and set up carscanner you can read the degradation value as calculated by the car’s battery management computer. Although a third party device such as Aviloo may be able to give a more accurate estimate. As you drive the car from 100% to near empty and the device uses this data to calculate the real capacity using consumption data.
@@bjorn2625 Yes all German spec e208s from this generation have a heatpump, but it’s nowhere near as efficient as Hyundai or Tesla’s. ev-database.org/de/pkw/1168/Peugeot-e-208 As far as I see the heating consumption below 5 degrees Celsius outside temperature rises dramatically. Likely because the substandard heatpump cannot cope and the car therefore uses the PTC heater as well.
I have model 2020 and AC compresor dead after 25 000km.. 1000€.. And shifter broken about 20 000km about 250€ for service Slovakia.. For now about 40,000km..
@@mkt499 That’s rough. If that’s Stellantis policy then I really have a hard time understanding why they don’t have the same warranty policy across Europe.
The ID.3 is known for somewhat high battery degradation as you can see on the channel battery life and his experiences. My choice would be a Kona or Ioniq 38kWh, real world range is about the same as the e208, only the charging speed is quite a bit slower unfortunately. The 64kWh Kona has better range but also more expensive. The 2nd gen Kia E-Soul or Kia E-Niro might also be worth looking at. youtube.com/@batterylife?si=aIe3W1l0P8n82YlO
@@tzeimet Thank you for answer! I would like to study more info also about Mini ev (2021-22) or Mazda MX-30, where battery is not big but I need every day 40-80km, no more, so I can charge every night in my garage...
@@palusisko I don't know much about reliability, but the Mini SE does seem like a pretty great car if you don't need much range. It's very efficient, and Mini's are very fun to drive (although admittedly I've only driven the F56 petrol variety)
I have a ds3 etense so basically the same architecture as the 208e. It had pretty much the same faults At 6000km it had a very big failure. Apparently the ac compressor failed. Car didn’t notify with any warning and It was the middle of winter so I didn’t use the a/c so the fault went unnoticed. The car was charged for several weeks and apparently the battery was overheating over and over again. Because it was winter I think that while driving it didn’t overheat because it was cold. But while charging it did. Well, I didn’t know none of this was happening as no faults or notifications were shown. Until one day I had the car charging and happened to go down to the parking because I had an unexpected plan and had to get the car. Went down and heard the fan of the car at max speed (it never did that under normal circumstances) that was my first tell that something was wrong. The car just in that moment stopped charging as the temp of the battery had reached the security temp to interrupt the charge sequence. This I know after piecing all what happened together but at that time you must understand that I had no idea what was going on. When I tried to start the car it didn’t turn on because it was overheated. After seeing what I saw I knew something wasn’t right with the car so I didn’t used it more until I had the appointment with the mechanic. The day I had to take it to the mechanic I started it and it moved fine (since the battery had had several days to cool down) but while I was driving to the mechanic suddenly the central screen went black. Well, it stayed at the mechanic for more than 6 months. On board charger had to be changed, a/c compressor changed as well, the screen was fixed, and some modules of the battery had to be changed because they had gone bad. All was covered by warranty and they gave me a courtesy car. After repairs the car has the same if not a tiny bit more range than before and it workes fine. After that experience I now check every month in the winter months that the a/c works. No need in summer as it’s constantly checked by it keeping me cool hahahah. Thanks to checking the a/c every month it’s helped me in another situation, this time a line of the gas of the a/c system ruptured and all the gas escaped. It was in the middle of winter so thank god I checked if the a/c was working. Knowing how important it is for the battery the a/c system I took it to the mechanic without delay. In fairness this time the problem was not a bad ac compressor, just a ruptured line. A chip could have hit the line while cruising on the highway and ruptured it. I received as well the recall for the software update for the short of the ac compressor which is what I think caused the initial nightmare. It was installed and hopefully it solves the problem of the ac compressor to not happen again. After that the car hasn’t had any other problems. I should touch wood after this… Btw, it’s very true that when it is very cold the cars range diminishes a lot. I think it’s because of active thermal management of the battery pack. When it reaches a very cold temp the car has to heat up the pack and wastes a lot of range doing that. Here in Spain it’s not as cold as in Northern Europe but on counted very cold nights I did notice it. I can only imagine it gets worse at the north of Europe. Also the car is very inefficient at high speeds. Definitely a city car. Anything over 100kph and you notice the diminishing range compared to the city.
I am sorry to hear that you also had such a bad experience with the car. I've seen that Peugeot offers 8Y warranty on the new facelift models in a lot of European markets (probably because of the early faults and bad reputation of these cars). Although I do find it a bit unfair that this was not extended to the earlier models, since at least on paper nothing has changed as far as the parts although I am sure that these components have been revised a few times since 2020.
I have a October build 2020 version bought it off Peugeot as a used demo car in 2022 with 7000km's on it I did quite a bit of driving it has 93000km's on it now. They did a motor software update for the ac compressor 6 months ago and that is it I had zero problems so far no 12V and none of the problems that you listed range in summer is about 240km And 180kms in winter. I really like the car. But I also might sell it because Model 3's are getting really affordable on the second hand market now.
That's good to hear, definitely don't wish anyone a bad experience with the car. In the case that you have a 7kW OBC they are also more robust than our 11kW OBC, meaning to say the OBC failure is largely limited to the 11kW units. Which I later found out was the reason why the OBC issue is not particularly common in the UK, where cars almost exclusively have the 7kW OBC. The software update has to do with the car not bricking itself though in the event that the AC compressor shorts out, as before the software update the car might throw a traction fault warning as the AC compressor runs off the high voltage system. The M3 is a more capable car by all means. Definitely worth having a look at if its within your budget.
@@tzeimet Update I did not yet buy a M3 because it seemed that my car was pretty reliable until last week 😂 It started throwing error codes on the dash Electric traction system fault. It turned out to be an isolation fault in a HV cable running from the battery to the electric motor. It was A 1000 euro repair out of warranty of course. After it everything seemed to be fine until 3 days ago the same error popped up now it is in the shop for the past 3 days without any update yet. I am already looking at a replacement. The fact this just happened to me brought me back to this video. And made me decide that it might be time to get rid of it.
@@nickman011 That's a real shame, I really think a lot of these cars are going to have some form of major issue as the mileage creeps up on them. I had a similar issue with the HV cabling on the CCS charge port.
@@tzeimetgot the car back today the AC compressor pump failed luckily that part was in warranty until 100k km’s. I’m kind off in a dilemma now. It seems that alot is fixed now and that it should be smooth sailing from now on and it should be safe to keep it. But another part of me is scared of what might break in the future I’m thinking to sell it and go for an SR+ model 3 which might be more reliable. Did you sell your e208 or did you keep it longer ?
The OBC problem is due to poor quality chips which they used, and the AC compressor because of sloppy manufacturing that allowed moisture into the circuit board of the electric AC compressor. Peugeot has had so many issues with their Puretech petrol, the old 1.6 VTi was a disaster, now the timing chains on the early 1.5 hdi are prone to failure and should be replaced. Almost every Peugeot engine design in the last 20 years has some catastrophic problem that crops up after a few years on the market. What I especially don’t like about Peugeot is they never tell you which models/series are affected by a particular problem, they don’t tell you what’s been improved when they replace parts. It’s just always “it‘s fixed now“ like with the first OBC that went. The same is true with the 1.5hdi they don’t tell you which series are affected or even which ones have the improved timing chain.
Yeah, it’s a fun car to drive and I even took some long journeys with the car, even down to Barcelona last year. But the reliability with this car has been horrendous, even the same extremely expensive part (OBC) breaking twice in only 90,000km, a part that should last the lifetime of the car.
Yeah. Kind of in the same situation my e-208, those that are in the know about her problems e.g. dealers/used car places seem apprehensive to buy them at a reasonable price. Private buyers can benefit from a market flooded by ex-leasing cars offered at low prices regardless of trim and mileage with a used car warranty which isn’t the case for a private seller such as myself.
Unacceptably common on early models. The 11kW OBC on these early models is very unreliable, and the AC compressor is almost a matter of when rather than if. Since most people don’t drive their EVs that far, it’s often the 2nd or 3rd owner that gets saddled with these problems.
@@tzeimet Thanks They're great looking and drive really well This news has probably made me look again at the Kona Even though it's ugly 🤣 I only need 150 miles of range realistically but 280 would be nice I suppose
@@rasmussnderup1461 My garage's chief mechanic mentioned to me that there have been 3 revisions (by part number) of the 11kW OBC since 2020, and anecdotally he sees less cars come in for OBC replacement. But I can't really say anything more definitive than that. Probably the ones made 2023 and later with the latest 11kW OBC might be better.
@@rasmussnderup1461I also thinking about buying Dec 2022. Do you know if the issues are gone or not. If not then I will not buy it. Thx for your answer in advance
I have a list of electric vehicles that I was thinking about buying, one of them was the e-208... I had already heard that some e-208s had problems, but you were very unlucky, 🥲. In your case you didn't save money by having a tram 🤭... I've already removed Peugeot from the list, in fact this is the reason why there are lots of used e-208s for sale...😂
Yes, I fear that is definitely one reason. Another reason is the fact that these cars (e208/Corsa-e) were very popular with leasing companies and some rental companies here in Germany. So there is more supply than demand for used EVs (most EV drivers in Germany tend to have a strong preference for leasing rather than used). I believe the cars were also offered on salary sacrifice to NHS workers in the UK, and motability.
Still waiting for the onboard charger since October 2023. Now Jan 2024
Update: Got the car back 26/01/2024. 100% Parts and Labour paid by Peugeot.
This is an excellently detailed video.
Great work. Thanks.
Very handy for someone looking at buying a used instance of this model.
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Thanks! I'm happy to hear my video was helpful
Very interesting, thank you for that review. I've had identical problems with the OBC at similar distances. First time replaced under warranty at 17000km, then again at 86000km, 3 years old, replaced OBC, but Peugeot did pay 80% of cost leaving me to pay 688€, and wondering how long it will last this time! But, like you, I'm loving the car in every other way. I have no desire to sell yet but further repair expenses could change my mind. Bonne route, gute fahre and have a good trip!
Thanks!, I am looking to sell the car, partially due to the fact I drive quite a lot and repair costs and waiting times are just not reasonable for me. But also as I have another EV to replace the Peugeot. I am somewhat worried about the resale value, as Germany had rather good used EV prices compared to the UK. That's starting to change now, with a lot of ex-lease cars hitting the market. Unfortunately I am still waiting for my OBC replacement and my dealer has no idea when the part will be available.
Can't believe you even paid 20% when they've obviously got a reliability known issue with that part.
I'd have fought that tooth and nail
@@stuartburns8657 I just got my car back today after about 2.5 months waiting on the OBC. Thanks to a bit of pressure from my garage, Peugeot agreed to pay 100% parts and labour 🙌. Good news indeed, but definitely too much stress to be dealing with, always having to wait to hear whether they’ll pay something or not.
@@tzeimet Very pleased for you and the result. It's disgusting that they have the audacity to even ask for part payment for what is obviously a known fault and repeat issue for customers.
Hopefully you can sell up and move on
@@stuartburns8657 Thanks!
Thanks for this video. Ive never seen the base model e-208, I didnt know that EV's could have manual rear passenger windows. It sounds nice when its driving at least, relaxing even.
Yeah, a bit disappointing to have windy windows on a 32k€ car (28k£). The e-208 wasn’t available in the active trim in the UK. I do like the cloth seats and leather steering wheel. As the faux leather seats and perforated leather steering wheel on the GT spec doesn’t wear as well with use.
Had mine for 15 months and done about 17,000 miles in UK. Just had my first problem - electric traction system fault, which turned out to be a problem with the 12V battery. The car wouldn’t start and also kept saying the charging cable was plugged in when it wasn’t.
Easily fixed by breakdown cover man - just disconnected and reconnect ed the 12V battery but the car was completely immobilised until then. Seems the battery had lost some charge so just needed to run the car for a while, but I’d been driving it all week so not sure why it happened.
It’s a company car so no costs for me to get fixed. Apart from that issue it’s been a lovely car to drive and own. Probably won’t have another one though as the leasing cost on these is very high now compared to something like an MG4.
It is a nice car to drive, I've got to give that to Peugeot. Likewise for the petrol 208. But the reliability of the first gen cars was just awful, and the fact that they didn't actually fix common issues like the OBC failure just rubs it in to be honest. I certainly hope the 2024 facelift is more reliable and the car gets the platform it deserved from the beginning. I haven't heard anything bad from the Jeep Avenger camp yet (fingers crossed), since that was the first car to get the new Stellantis Platform. But it's still to early to know whether the new platform is meaningfully more reliable.
@@tzeimetHad 2 more problems recently, same error messages as before. Off road for three weeks first time, same problem 6 weeks later and software re-flashed. Just back on the road, but my wife has lost confidence in the car as she’s been stranded twice now. Given we’ve only done about 25,000 miles that’s poor.
Mines a 2022 model but probably has the 2021 underpinnings. It has the newer mode selector but that’s it. Really is a shame as it’s such a lovely car to drive, but I won’t be going for a Stellantis car when my lease runs out next year. Looking at a Kona or MG4 next.
@@ISuperTed I feel the same way about Stellantis, it's a shame because the new e-3008 looks decent on paper but I'm seeing some similar software issues cropping up in various fb groups.
As for the MG4, I currently drive a MG4 Extended Range as my daily driver, some of the early models till about early 2023 had issues with a leaky gearbox but most of those cars should be fixed. They also had an annoying driver attention monitoring system. The new facelift cars (Trophy/Trophy ER) are better mechanically but the Lane Keep Assist is still annoying. I've also read that there is an ongoing issue with the plastic underbody cover warping over time.
ruclips.net/video/mJFDvsDfos4/видео.htmlsi=z8ACRquum5C3iCZv (my review of the MG4 ER)
Excellent video in regards of buying a second hand car or used car.
Thanks!
Im gutted now i was looking forward to buying one this is the first video that has highlighted problems so thanks for the heads up 😢
Definitely have a look in some of the more popular E-208 groups on Facebook. Pretty much daily reports of issues, as these cars are getting older. I do like the car, but it really does have some issues where I think it's potentially a bit of a money/time pit (i.e. long waiting times for parts) and I would be hesitant to buy one second hand even though the prices are generally below the used EV market average.
Unfortunately here in Germany the issues are a little bit better known, especially in forums like GoingElectric and used values are absolutely tanking for older Stellantis E-CMP cars (e208, Corsa, Mokka, Citroen E-C4 etc.)
While I did get most of the repairs covered by Peugeot under warranty and good-will, I do expect the latter to become less common as these cars get older and Peugeot no longer sees the need to pay for things like the AC compressor out of warranty as they could cite age or "normal wear and tear".
Thanks for the review, was thinking of getting one as a second hand car (but in GT line). But this review made med think about it again. It was between en E-208, Zoe R135 or the MG ZS. The E-208 seems a bit smaler than the zoe and ZS.
The e-208 is quite cramped in the back, especially as you can’t slide your feet under the front seat since the batteries are mounted there. I can’t say much about the Zoe or ZS, I’ve now moved on to a MG4 extended range.
ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.html
I’ll be publishing my long term review of that car within the next week. But TL;DR: It’s been pretty good except for the app (sometimes needs multiple refreshes to work, digital key somewhat unreliable) and the lane keep assist, which is about the same as the e-208 but cannot be turned off permanently.
Not a single problem with mine yet, but it is a e-2008 GT MY22 (toggle shifter)
Good extensive and honest review! I completely agree on your conclusions, if the model has issues then Peugeot should take at least the majority of the repair cost and not let the owners turn up for Peugeot's shortcomings. I hope my 2023 Corsa-e will fare better, with all its improvements. I can say that I saw in a Nextmove video that the OBC's are currently being replaced with a different part number, which hopefully last longer.... Does yours have the 1-phase OBC, considering it's the base model?
Thanks! Mine has the 3-Phase OBC as Peugeot offered it as a free upgrade back in 2020. Now it’s a paid option that costs 1,190€ with the 2024 facelift. Germany only allows up to 4.2kW on a single phase due to the unbalanced load, most houses have 3 phase electricity. The 3-phase OBC is supposedly more problematic than the single phase one though.
@@tzeimet Thanks! That explains why you had to change OBC a second time, I just hope that my Corsa-e already has the latest one.... My guess is that the conditions that that Stellantis agreed with the supplier on of the OBC (Mahle) is why the customer has to pay.... (i.e. who pays what when a part fails prematurely)
@@CreRay Could be, but I really have to wonder why they stuck with Mahle? No other car has as many OBC failures AFAIK. Anyway I’m not keen on believing anything Peugeot says, as it was supposed to be fixed the last time. Let’s wait a couple of years and see.
We have one of these but with the 11kWh charger and no faults for 4 years now. We have a second Citroen version and it’s also fault free for 1,5 years now, also 11kWh model.
What sort of mileage?
@@tzeimet 90000 km
@@Sherukka Not Bad.
@@tzeimet Well, it sounds here in the chat that some parts will sooner or later give in but we’ll see…
its nice to see some real experience about reasonably priced cars! wonder the battery degradation is just about the mileage or the year affect too?
Yes, age is also a problem. I’ve read something like 1% per year even without driving the car. It’s best to store them around 50% charge when not using the cars for a long period of time. These traditional lithium (NMC) cells hate being stored at too low or very high states of charge. If the battery gets too low, “below 0” (if they are stored at low charge and self-discharge below 0%) then they are pretty much dead as @aging wheels demonstrated with his Wheego.
@@tzeimet thanks for quick response
I am so sorry to hear about the problems with your car, you look very disappointed with your experiences with it.
A friend has a 208 and would like to have a car with an automatic gearbox and I was about to recommend that she bought an e-208. After watching this video, I won't.
My car is 10 years old and am thinking of getting a small EV next year and the BYD Dolphin seems to be the best choice at the moment. Maybe you could have better luck with something like that?
I would be concerned about supply of parts in the UK/EU with a new (for europe) Chinese brand like BYD - check that parts and dealerships are near where you live that can service the Dolphin. Maybe do a bit of searching on forums to see how other drivers are getting on with them too?
I’ve actually moved on to a MG4 Extended Range, so far the experience has been overwhelming positive except for a couple of small software bugs. But I can’t really make any judgements about reliability since I’ve only driven the car about 3.5k mi so far. I’ve only seen one dolphin in the wild so far, and a few Atto 3’s. I’m just waiting for the parts to fix my e208 and then I’ll be selling it.
My first impressions of the MG4: ruclips.net/video/F4ds6YUlwTc/видео.htmlsi=zXKUpcItL94XeEw2
@@decimal1815Yep, I agree when it comes to dealerships, there are sparingly few dotted around Europe. BYD intends to start making cars in Hungary soon, so I hope that will improve the parts situation. Although as my Peugeot shows, it’s no guarantee as both the AC compressor and OBC are made by European manufacturers (Valeo and Mahle respectively) and I still had to wait months for both.
cleantechnica.com/2023/12/23/byd-chooses-hungary-as-the-site-of-its-first-electric-car-factory-in-europe/amp/
MG4 is a fantastic EV. It's about £7k more than equivalent mileage e208s in the UK at the moment. Guess we'll just have to wait for prices to go down.. @@tzeimet
You might want to think twice or three times before getting a BYD! If they don't use a different battery tech, compared to home Chinese market ones, your car has a 100% guarantee to light your shit on fire at any point
I bought mine in Nov 2020 and now it has 80.900km.
1. ADAS system with cameras replaced under warranty (c. 20.000km)
2. AC Compressor (c. 80.000km) 1900€ out of warranty
That's really unacceptable imo. I don't know how things are where you're located. But in my case (Germany), and similar cases from various FaceBook groups most people are getting their AC compressor paid out of goodwill by Peugeot even out of warranty. As it's a known manufacturing defect.
Did your dealer even file a request with Peugeot? as some dealers are far too lazy to even bother doing that.
@@tzeimet I live in Italy. You are right anyway. I just wanted my car fixed soon because I need it to go to work.
I have a question Sir, what you think; can this particular car, withstand a tropical weather like in the Philippines dry and wet season, with occasional flooding when typhoon comes and scorching hot summers?
This car is so cool and looks better than Nissan Leaf..
Hi.
Other than the aforementioned common issues (onboard charger and AC compressor) the car has a good battery cooling system, so I think a tropical climate should not necessarily be an issue if you could somehow guarantee that the car you are buying has had these issues fixed (e.g. AC compressor and OBC replaced with the latest versions, assuming the same version as in the EU market). Of course regarding flooding, the car should never be submerged as this can cause damage like any car.
In summary, I think the car can survive a tropical environment. But you will need to make sure that the car you are buying has the latest onboard charger and AC compressor to avoid the issues I suffered with my 2020 model.
@@tzeimet thank you n_n
Hi, great video i love it!
Would you recommend buying 2020 GT model, on 32 000miles.
How do you check the battery degradation?
No. Generally I would definitely not recommend such an early version of the car as the OBC issues were very common at that time, especially if you have the 11kW OBC. The 11kW OBC is now on its 3rd revision since 2020. The defective moisture trap in the AC compressor also affects cars made up to 05/2022 and will eventually lead to the compressor failing. If you really want an e208 I would really look at something late 2022 onwards.
To check the degradation you need a Bluetooth enabled OBD dongle (I use the Vlinker MC+) and a compatible app such as Carscanner. To OBD port can be found by removing the plastic panel under the steering column on LHD cars or behind a plastic panel in the glovebox for RHD cars. Once you have connected to the Bluetooth dongle and set up carscanner you can read the degradation value as calculated by the car’s battery management computer.
Although a third party device such as Aviloo may be able to give a more accurate estimate. As you drive the car from 100% to near empty and the device uses this data to calculate the real capacity using consumption data.
Did yours have a heat pump? From what I’ve read it makes a big difference to the winter range.
@@bjorn2625 Yes all German spec e208s from this generation have a heatpump, but it’s nowhere near as efficient as Hyundai or Tesla’s.
ev-database.org/de/pkw/1168/Peugeot-e-208
As far as I see the heating consumption below 5 degrees Celsius outside temperature rises dramatically. Likely because the substandard heatpump cannot cope and the car therefore uses the PTC heater as well.
I have model 2020 and AC compresor dead after 25 000km.. 1000€.. And shifter broken about 20 000km about 250€ for service Slovakia.. For now about 40,000km..
@@mkt499 That’s rough. If that’s Stellantis policy then I really have a hard time understanding why they don’t have the same warranty policy across Europe.
Very useful review - thanx a lot! I am going to buy small ev but I am scary from your costs of repairs... So maybe VW ID3 is more reliable ?
The ID.3 is known for somewhat high battery degradation as you can see on the channel battery life and his experiences. My choice would be a Kona or Ioniq 38kWh, real world range is about the same as the e208, only the charging speed is quite a bit slower unfortunately. The 64kWh Kona has better range but also more expensive. The 2nd gen Kia E-Soul or Kia E-Niro might also be worth looking at.
youtube.com/@batterylife?si=aIe3W1l0P8n82YlO
@@tzeimet Thank you for answer! I would like to study more info also about Mini ev (2021-22) or Mazda MX-30, where battery is not big but I need every day 40-80km, no more, so I can charge every night in my garage...
@@palusisko I don't know much about reliability, but the Mini SE does seem like a pretty great car if you don't need much range. It's very efficient, and Mini's are very fun to drive (although admittedly I've only driven the F56 petrol variety)
I have a ds3 etense so basically the same architecture as the 208e. It had pretty much the same faults
At 6000km it had a very big failure. Apparently the ac compressor failed. Car didn’t notify with any warning and It was the middle of winter so I didn’t use the a/c so the fault went unnoticed. The car was charged for several weeks and apparently the battery was overheating over and over again. Because it was winter I think that while driving it didn’t overheat because it was cold. But while charging it did. Well, I didn’t know none of this was happening as no faults or notifications were shown. Until one day I had the car charging and happened to go down to the parking because I had an unexpected plan and had to get the car. Went down and heard the fan of the car at max speed (it never did that under normal circumstances) that was my first tell that something was wrong. The car just in that moment stopped charging as the temp of the battery had reached the security temp to interrupt the charge sequence. This I know after piecing all what happened together but at that time you must understand that I had no idea what was going on. When I tried to start the car it didn’t turn on because it was overheated. After seeing what I saw I knew something wasn’t right with the car so I didn’t used it more until I had the appointment with the mechanic.
The day I had to take it to the mechanic I started it and it moved fine (since the battery had had several days to cool down) but while I was driving to the mechanic suddenly the central screen went black.
Well, it stayed at the mechanic for more than 6 months. On board charger had to be changed, a/c compressor changed as well, the screen was fixed, and some modules of the battery had to be changed because they had gone bad. All was covered by warranty and they gave me a courtesy car.
After repairs the car has the same if not a tiny bit more range than before and it workes fine.
After that experience I now check every month in the winter months that the a/c works. No need in summer as it’s constantly checked by it keeping me cool hahahah.
Thanks to checking the a/c every month it’s helped me in another situation, this time a line of the gas of the a/c system ruptured and all the gas escaped. It was in the middle of winter so thank god I checked if the a/c was working. Knowing how important it is for the battery the a/c system I took it to the mechanic without delay. In fairness this time the problem was not a bad ac compressor, just a ruptured line. A chip could have hit the line while cruising on the highway and ruptured it.
I received as well the recall for the software update for the short of the ac compressor which is what I think caused the initial nightmare. It was installed and hopefully it solves the problem of the ac compressor to not happen again.
After that the car hasn’t had any other problems. I should touch wood after this…
Btw, it’s very true that when it is very cold the cars range diminishes a lot. I think it’s because of active thermal management of the battery pack. When it reaches a very cold temp the car has to heat up the pack and wastes a lot of range doing that. Here in Spain it’s not as cold as in Northern Europe but on counted very cold nights I did notice it. I can only imagine it gets worse at the north of Europe. Also the car is very inefficient at high speeds. Definitely a city car. Anything over 100kph and you notice the diminishing range compared to the city.
I am sorry to hear that you also had such a bad experience with the car. I've seen that Peugeot offers 8Y warranty on the new facelift models in a lot of European markets (probably because of the early faults and bad reputation of these cars). Although I do find it a bit unfair that this was not extended to the earlier models, since at least on paper nothing has changed as far as the parts although I am sure that these components have been revised a few times since 2020.
I have a October build 2020 version bought it off Peugeot as a used demo car in 2022 with 7000km's on it I did quite a bit of driving it has 93000km's on it now.
They did a motor software update for the ac compressor 6 months ago and that is it I had zero problems so far no 12V and none of the problems that you listed range in summer is about 240km And 180kms in winter. I really like the car. But I also might sell it because Model 3's are getting really affordable on the second hand market now.
That's good to hear, definitely don't wish anyone a bad experience with the car. In the case that you have a 7kW OBC they are also more robust than our 11kW OBC, meaning to say the OBC failure is largely limited to the 11kW units. Which I later found out was the reason why the OBC issue is not particularly common in the UK, where cars almost exclusively have the 7kW OBC.
The software update has to do with the car not bricking itself though in the event that the AC compressor shorts out, as before the software update the car might throw a traction fault warning as the AC compressor runs off the high voltage system.
The M3 is a more capable car by all means. Definitely worth having a look at if its within your budget.
@@tzeimet Update I did not yet buy a M3 because it seemed that my car was pretty reliable until last week 😂 It started throwing error codes on the dash Electric traction system fault. It turned out to be an isolation fault in a HV cable running from the battery to the electric motor. It was A 1000 euro repair out of warranty of course. After it everything seemed to be fine until 3 days ago the same error popped up now it is in the shop for the past 3 days without any update yet. I am already looking at a replacement. The fact this just happened to me brought me back to this video. And made me decide that it might be time to get rid of it.
@@nickman011 That's a real shame, I really think a lot of these cars are going to have some form of major issue as the mileage creeps up on them. I had a similar issue with the HV cabling on the CCS charge port.
@@tzeimetgot the car back today the AC compressor pump failed luckily that part was in warranty until 100k km’s. I’m kind off in a dilemma now. It seems that alot is fixed now and that it should be smooth sailing from now on and it should be safe to keep it. But another part of me is scared of what might break in the future
I’m thinking to sell it and go for an SR+ model 3 which might be more reliable. Did you sell your e208 or did you keep it longer ?
Quick question mate. This car has 7 or 11kw AC charging?
@@danisantos3255 11kW
So generally speaking, you have more failures in EV than petrol ones, when they are suppossed to be more simple?
The OBC problem is due to poor quality chips which they used, and the AC compressor because of sloppy manufacturing that allowed moisture into the circuit board of the electric AC compressor.
Peugeot has had so many issues with their Puretech petrol, the old 1.6 VTi was a disaster, now the timing chains on the early 1.5 hdi are prone to failure and should be replaced.
Almost every Peugeot engine design in the last 20 years has some catastrophic problem that crops up after a few years on the market.
What I especially don’t like about Peugeot is they never tell you which models/series are affected by a particular problem, they don’t tell you what’s been improved when they replace parts. It’s just always “it‘s fixed now“ like with the first OBC that went. The same is true with the 1.5hdi they don’t tell you which series are affected or even which ones have the improved timing chain.
thx for the warning,will delete it from my next car list
Yeah, it’s a fun car to drive and I even took some long journeys with the car, even down to Barcelona last year. But the reliability with this car has been horrendous, even the same extremely expensive part (OBC) breaking twice in only 90,000km, a part that should last the lifetime of the car.
Indeed, second!
Me too - does the Corsa-e have the same issues?
technically the same car,so yes@@decimal1815
@@decimal1815Yes, it’s mechanically identical to the e208
Same has my corsa e hate it now really trying to get rid of keeps breaking down
Yeah. Kind of in the same situation my e-208, those that are in the know about her problems e.g. dealers/used car places seem apprehensive to buy them at a reasonable price.
Private buyers can benefit from a market flooded by ex-leasing cars offered at low prices regardless of trim and mileage with a used car warranty which isn’t the case for a private seller such as myself.
Are these faults common?
Unacceptably common on early models. The 11kW OBC on these early models is very unreliable, and the AC compressor is almost a matter of when rather than if. Since most people don’t drive their EVs that far, it’s often the 2nd or 3rd owner that gets saddled with these problems.
@@tzeimet
Thanks
They're great looking and drive really well
This news has probably made me look again at the Kona
Even though it's ugly 🤣
I only need 150 miles of range realistically but 280 would be nice I suppose
@@tzeimethey, looking to buy a used e-208 from march 2022. Do you know if the OBC problems is fixed in the newer cars?
@@rasmussnderup1461 My garage's chief mechanic mentioned to me that there have been 3 revisions (by part number) of the 11kW OBC since 2020, and anecdotally he sees less cars come in for OBC replacement. But I can't really say anything more definitive than that. Probably the ones made 2023 and later with the latest 11kW OBC might be better.
@@rasmussnderup1461I also thinking about buying Dec 2022. Do you know if the issues are gone or not. If not then I will not buy it. Thx for your answer in advance
I have a list of electric vehicles that I was thinking about buying, one of them was the e-208... I had already heard that some e-208s had problems, but you were very unlucky, 🥲. In your case you didn't save money by having a tram 🤭... I've already removed Peugeot from the list, in fact this is the reason why there are lots of used e-208s for sale...😂
Yes, I fear that is definitely one reason. Another reason is the fact that these cars (e208/Corsa-e) were very popular with leasing companies and some rental companies here in Germany. So there is more supply than demand for used EVs (most EV drivers in Germany tend to have a strong preference for leasing rather than used). I believe the cars were also offered on salary sacrifice to NHS workers in the UK, and motability.