Wow that frame at 9:49 looks like it fits all modern hd and analog vtxs really easily and looks incredibly durable, im excited to find out more about it.
wide compatibility? how dare you convenience us. we're supposed to pigeon holed into mediocre options as punishment for not flying flavor of the week parts.
That "clear smear" effect is what's holding me back. Bardwell recently updated firmware and the difference was clearly night and day. I desperately want to switch over to digital so time will tell. Thanks Tommy for the hard work. You're still my hero!
you can tell even people who are sponsored by Fatshark are not feeling the smear effect. hopefully we see some big firmware updates much like DJI that solve it.
Agree... but cross compatibility requires agreement in a competitive market where even getting a standard established for a basic simple battery connector now "mostly" the XT30,60,90 series has left us without a high amp 1S 90C connecter (XT15, 10 would be nice) with GNB Batteries replacing both versions of the GNB27 and going back to the gosh awful PH2 connector that was not designed to be a battery connector.
Awesome info Tommy 👍👍 But to sum up I would say if you want a reliable system that works great buy DJI. Or buy something that's not quite finished yet and has a pretty bad image quality, then by Fatsharks HD / the rest...
Great review fantastic. but I’m going to stick to the DJI system for now 🤔as for you I think you made a great choice as well 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😎👌🏽 keep up the great work
Me too. I'm definitely no DJI fanboy but man there system just works well period. I have 2 sets of goggles/V1 &V2 and love them! Would like canvas mode on my DJI for my fixedwing flying but I have work arounds for those missing osd characters.
I actually don't mind any payment hurdles I simply want the best. Sure upgrade every few years that's ok if the jump in quality is worth it. In another few years maybe we will see a 4K live stream and the money will probably fly out of my pocket on it's own. 😂
Canvas mode is here now for v1 and v2. It's a bit hacky right now but it will be part of the recently released patcher as a checkbox enablable feature eventually.
Thank you for this video, Tommy. I was waiting for it, as I believe you are probably the most fair and unbiased professional pilot reviewer in the FPV community, as to my knowledge you aren't being paid by Rotor Riot or Red Cat Holdings. Two questions please: 1) If you had to buy either DJI or the Avatar system at *this point in time*, which would it be (also taking into account that DJI is actually less expensive)? and 2) You're a professional pilot - at *this point in time*, would you trust the Avatar system on a cinelifter or any FPV quad being used for mission-critical professional filming?
Hey Diego! If I wasn't already heavily invested in DJI and I was able to review/test both systems AS OF TODAY. I would go DJI. As for your second question, I haven't been able to test the system on set in the professional world so I don't know how it behaves along side the myriad of things that are transmitting (like a teradek or microlite). If the Avatar system proves to be more resilient under the noisy RF environments on set, then I would choose it over DJI.
Just not going to get into that system just yet. Have other things in the works. Plus remember what Vik FPV suggested, “you don’t have to always go with the latest and greatest, sure it’s nice but stick with the gear that you’ve already got.”
Just wait and see,..., im using dji about a years now. And its worth it to wait and see about this googles, the setup can connect to the hdmi analog monitor adjust focus its amazing.
Ooooo. That BotGrinder frame looks siiiiicccckkk! Did someone get invisaline? It sounds like you have a lisp with the tray in. HDZero hopefully will be better. DJI goggles also can be worn with glasses on. The dominator doesn't look like it can.
It's all a win win for me . More companies doing digital more products, the better it will all get. If you told me 7 years ago wen I got my new commander analog goggles, thinking I was killing it , that all this was going to happen ... would not of believed it. Lol I've try to fly my old analog stuff , but I just don't anymore. Wen u binded goggles to vtx , it all sounded way to similar. Like are all these vtx's coming out of the same factory 🏭 Hmmm ???
This was one of the most honest and good reviews ive seen so far. I just started with analog a few months ago and its perfectly fine to start with. After ive seen 21.22.5 firmware uptate im having a good feeling about this. If im going digital, im going fatshark/walk. Only downside im having is the no hdmi input. Otherwise theydid evrything right.
@@kamnxt I had that thought when I went digital last year. “Oh my I’ll heed to get these goggles paired up with an analog receiver!” After I flew the Dji rig I was like… analog what? A few weeks into digital and analog literally was a disgusting experience making me wonder how I stuck with the hobby 4 years before going digital.
Well I am sure that DJI can upgrade their existing system with a firmware update or I wait until it's hacked. Fatshark has lost me as a customer forever. I will never buy one of their products. I stay with my trusted DJI Goggles. They even deleted my comment that was very well put together. It was a constructive critizisem with alot of arguments. That's the type of company fatshark is. They will never scam me!
Look what happened to OG Fatshark. They was the first analog goggle. They had no competition for years. Then orca, skyzone come out. Competition is good thing. Makes companies work harder to out do each other.
If walksnail fatshark avatar HD keeps backwards compatibility and community in mind they will be the best company. DJI is already seeming to be on its way to upset it's current customers by making v3 stuff incompatible to v2.
@@aakashjana6225 yeah, im sure fatshark is super worried about the commuinty. Thats exactyl why this brand new system that is worse in every way to a 2 year old system is even more expensive. Im sure those 600 dollar goggles are very pro consumer. LOL
I'm kinda bummed, I hope they fix that compression problem soon. I pre ordered, and just got mine, after flying a friends DJI system, and loved the clarity. That blocky Mine craft shit has to go!
thank you for being an early adopter. i pre ordered a set of Dom HD3's that never worked good even after sending them back for fixing. i've used that $600 goggle a total of 3 times and use my old goggles instead. FPV is risky to the wallet!
1:40 that make me still fly analog. I am just regular fpv hobbyist. Walksnail is good, from goggle design to product support/product improvement/whatever except the video quality.
I don't understand why they didn't provide video input for analog VRX or for PC simulator ? Is it "hard" or the chip tech doesn't compatible at all to provide the feature ? What I expected from walksnail/fatshark HD googles is a VRX module bay, 3rd party product is okay as long as they provide the possibility (video-in). Analog won't be dead in 1 decade because it is more universal, relatively cheap, a lot of options, and a lot of people already using it and might still want to keep using it for some reason, example for tinyWhoop or lite weight micro. Unless the manufacturer and the business want it to die soon ...
Yea... it seems like a good feature to have especially for those transitioning from analog and have a lot of drones. It certainly helped me transition to DJI as I wanted to fly multiple drones when I go out, but only wanted to carry one set of goggles.
@@ummagawdFPV yeah, I love being able to use the URUAV analog adapter V3 with the very solid metal case and fly really good looking analog! The best image quality I've ever had with analog is with the DJI V2 goggles! IMO, that's a huge downfall of the Fatsnail system is no analog! One easy way to afford these digital systems is to sell you used analog goggles! My friend sold his HDO's for around $400 and was able to easily sell an analog quad that was his least favorite and he had all the money for the DJI V2 goggles. With having to keep your analog goggles along with buying digital, it makes it much more "cash outta pocket" with buying the WalkShark! (?) lol or, as Botgrinder calls them, the FatShart! 🤪
According to some recent news, it sounds like Fatshark is using DJI's chipset. DJI's next strategic move will be sending out there version 3 with their new chipset, leaving Fatshark with the old ones. Lol
@@ummagawdFPV Mad's Tech reported they rebranded the Artosyn chipset as a Virtex FGA, which would not even be compatible with the HD system. If they did do that and pull out the V3, win for DJI again. Great videos as always!!
If the fatshark system was 2/3 to half the price of DJI, it would be a no brainer. But cost for cost and the current state of things, It's going to be really difficult to dethrone DJI.
Tommy, after watching this whole video twice, I still can't see how you think it looks better than DJI. Maybe you have to see it in the googles, but DVR to DVR DJI is much better. Maybe after many updates. I hope it can catch up and maybe be better one day.
Why would DJI be worried about this half assed, broken, not ready product? Maybe in a year when this is sorted out and works correctly. Even then DJI will be on V3 or higher while Fatsnail is still trying to get this V1 working. Better question should be.. Should Walkshark be worried about HDZero? Fatshark already screwed Karl so he has a reason to try to kill this joke.
Unfortunately, I don’t think that dji v3 will be for fpv freestyle. All leaks and leads point to the cinematic world with all in one action camera vtx’s that is gonna be blowing your wallet out to put them on a fleet of quads. I bet the vtx’s will be closer to $300 a pop and goggles prolly won’t change a lot. I have both v2 and new fatshark. According to what has been said and leaked, v3 isn’t for me. Guess we will see
Did see anyone show what the 1080 on board like yet and it's awesome!! I'm sure to already know the just recently came out with a firmware update to help improve images quality in goggles 👌💯 great review tommy and this is gonna be good!!
I believe future updates will practically get these goggles to the DJI level as far as quality is concerned. Thinking the latency will be closer to DJI than HDZero, which I don’t mind. Too bad about the lack of hdmi in. I’m leaning heavily on just buying them and watch the system grow. I’m now mostly curious about penetration. I think HDZero kinda blows when it comes to penetration. Btw, I fly HDZero and will continue to for racing. Great review!
I'm not clear on the latency thing. Are people referring to a delay between the stick input and the quad's movement? Maybe because I'm old but I see so such lag. It's pretty much instant.
No, actually the HDZero is the LEAST CLEAR - all sorts of snow, fuzz, distortion and those crazy full screen vertical rainbow bars! Lowest quality image, by far, and very poor penetration of objects. Currently, a distant 3rd place. That being said, Carl is a great FPV community guy, and my hope and prayers are that he gets his system to be the best digital FPV system on the market. I have my doubts it can be done, but I can always hope! 👍
I like that they r a fpv company. It has canvas mode. They will add things we ask for. Where while dji is great they don't really care about us. They could end up pulling their stuff. I do have DJI. I want HDzero for micros. I am eyeing this avatar waiting for it to be final product
Yo bro..... Where is the Walksnail Avatar comparison and review???!!!! Specifically a direction comparison between Fatshark & walk snail??? Cause that's what most people are confused which one to "BUY""? So what's your opinion?? Great Video cheer up
16:50 This does not sound clear to me, I'm new to the hobby. In analog, I assume the OSD is added to the video feed that comes from the drone. Meaning, you couldn't have a second receiver record clean video, as the color/pixel data behind the text is lost. For that reason it's beneficial to have telemetry be received(closed caption/subcarrier?) and interpreted by the goggles, so for example clean video can be sent out an HDMI port as well as the ability to have a *second receiver getting clean feeds. * I envision a DVR that grabs and records everything it understands.
I'm still flying analog and looking at all of the options. One of the things for me that's a ding for DJI is that it's not clear to me how long you will be able to obtain vtx's for a set of goggles that they discontinue. Today the air unit is out of stock on the DJI web site and we know their V2 goggles are being replaced by presumably something else. HD Zero looks like an option but their current VTX line up is limiting for is power across the various board sized. Will be interesting to see where the Walksnail firmware goes in the near future.
@@ShermanKenB even used Dji gog V2 costs 80-90% of bnew. In my case I have a 1k worth of setup. That's 2.0 2s, 2.5 4s and 4.0 4s radio and 04L. Upgrading vtx HD alone costs the same as all my existing equipment combined. I'm rooting for HD zero but I'm willing to wait another year.
and how do you know fat shark wont abandon this just like the did with skarkbyte? LOL. This is a potential question for all brands. Id rather go with a big established brand. Its crazy how fatshark can look shady even when compared to some chinese megacorp like dji.
I feel like Fatshark missed on the name, they already sed Dominator and these goggles have a very HammerHead shark feel. The firmware update really helped Bardwell; I'm cautiously optimistic. I am really interested in HD but not a fan of the DJI ecosystem.
I was against DJI also but i did buy brand new for 450€ and air unit for 168€ and they do work perfect. But Fatshark will need more firmware tuning before they will perform the same. And DJI can be rooted to add missing fpv options as full OSD, audio .... For this is neded firmware version 01.00.0606
these goggles seems much nicer than the DJI... but I have too many Vistas and Air Units. I don't doubt a few Firmwares down the road it will at least equal dji (not yet) love the Canvas mode. I have too many Vistas and Air Units... Dji V3? HDzero Goggles will have analog too...
I wonder if the fact that DJI Goggles use both (!) 2.4Ghz and 5.8Ghz will make a difference when it comes to penetration/range of the Avatar system? As far as I know, the Dominator HD only uses 5.8Ghz.
Thank you for your take on this system. Any idea when the 50mbps option will be implemented…. Seems like that would fix a lot of the issues. That was the turning point for DJI early on.
Sorry Fatshark, it's been a pleasure but, I just found someone way more attractive and up-to-date. It's been lovely spending time with you, but you became old-tech and boring to be around. After all these years you didn't care much about improving to keep me around, now the competition showed up you decide to wear lipstick?! I know it might hurt, but, you just can't beat the beauty of the feature-loaded DJI's goggles 2. Welcome DJI to my FPV world, but be aware that I'm also flirting with HDZero, she really is an eye-catcher too! 😁
You like to fly close to stuff, as you said Tommy? You really should check out HDZero now! None of that blockyness, nearly no latency. No matter how far u go. The only thing is you need to be careful not to interrupt l.o.s. too much. Still: Signal comes back immediately once it comes back out of interruptions. Maybe even wait till HDZero goggles are out. The Fatshark HDMI doesn't like a steady module connection, mine and many others died. Out for repair, grounded on the HDZero builts..
isnt it a consensus already that compression is better than breakup? Id rather barely be able to see than to not be able to see at all. Digital video with analog breakup just seems like a dumb idea that wont ever make it past racing tracks.
Well if you haven't tried hd-zero you should at least get a 1w for fitment tests on the botgrinder frame. He said it wants it to fit and I'd imagine he wants it bando proof being him. Frame will end up close to 45mm wide to cover everything. Lol. The avatar looks like it's close to the edge and you can't have overhang with hd-zero cause the plug is on the side and easily broken.
Greetings very good review I use dji and for me the only drawback is that you can not share the video to other glasses through hdmi that would be great I do not know if you can with these.
Great review Tommy, did you experience much stuttering/skipped frames? Looks like maybe it could be an alternative to the current DJI system some day, the features and goggles have some appeal except for having zero input options :/
Pass on anything Caddx/Walksnail. They are late to the game, already have a v2 out that negates all the stock of v1 product. They now have a pro version so they can charge more to add back in something they took out, and the LQ and image quality have a lot to be desired. This system was rushed and half-assed. They are on the way out and will not be missed. DJI has nothing to worry about, and they know it. But HDZero might make some headway, as theirs is WAY more polished than Walksnail/Caddx/Fatshark/Whatever other name they want to use to confuse us into thinking they are a legit company.
With Fatsnail you have to "pray & hope" they DO get better. With DJI, you already know it is better and you are confident you have the very best in FPV. But, that being said, it is premature to BUY RIGHT NOW! 🛑 There's a leak from DJI that tells us a V3 goggle is on the way. So, a wise buyer will wait to see what the V3 DJI FPV system will offer us. We must have patience in this FPV hobby! 🤔👍
great video! exciting times for digital fpv :) Personally I am also way too invested in DJI and vista systems. It would be worth mentioning that recently a 'canvas' mode for the DJI v1 and v2 goggles is being worked on by the same people that made the dji -> hdmi out possible, and this is currently in beta - looking very promising also
![☀ Большой разбор 1080p FPV системы. Тесты дальности, замеры. [Walksnail Avatar]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/m-eQO7vd2-U/mqdefault.jpg)
Wow that frame at 9:49 looks like it fits all modern hd and analog vtxs really easily and looks incredibly durable, im excited to find out more about it.
Heard it’s called The Royale
wide compatibility? how dare you convenience us. we're supposed to pigeon holed into mediocre options as punishment for not flying flavor of the week parts.
Go smoke weed and never use the word "durable" again.
Looks a sweet frame can't wait to get my hands on one.
damn bot u took the words right out of my mouth!
That "clear smear" effect is what's holding me back. Bardwell recently updated firmware and the difference was clearly night and day. I desperately want to switch over to digital so time will tell. Thanks Tommy for the hard work. You're still my hero!
you can tell even people who are sponsored by Fatshark are not feeling the smear effect. hopefully we see some big firmware updates much like DJI that solve it.
For the price they’re asking they’ve got a long long way to go before DJI should be worried.
But it’s always good to have competition.
Tommy's Reviews are the best.
That is all
thanks dude!
Competition is great, but we also need cross compatibility in the "HD" realm.
Agree... but cross compatibility requires agreement in a competitive market where even getting a standard established for a basic simple battery connector now "mostly" the XT30,60,90 series has left us without a high amp 1S 90C connecter (XT15, 10 would be nice) with GNB Batteries replacing both versions of the GNB27 and going back to the gosh awful PH2 connector that was not designed to be a battery connector.
Congrats on being the ONLY person on YT that can actually focus on items placed in front of the camera. Huge win.
thank you Sony
Best Review so Far on this system One Love I will be Sticking with DJI. It Gets the Job Done
One Love
Awesome info Tommy 👍👍 But to sum up I would say if you want a reliable system that works great buy DJI.
Or buy something that's not quite finished yet and has a pretty bad image quality, then by Fatsharks HD / the rest...
Excellent Review. Eventually, HD will be in everyone's hands. I'm sticking with FS. Let's wait for them to do updates. They will get there!
Great review fantastic. but I’m going to stick to the DJI system for now 🤔as for you I think you made a great choice as well 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😎👌🏽 keep up the great work
Still rocking my v1's, holding out for the v3's! 😄
Me too. I'm definitely no DJI fanboy but man there system just works well period. I have 2 sets of goggles/V1 &V2 and love them! Would like canvas mode on my DJI for my fixedwing flying but I have work arounds for those missing osd characters.
Holding out for v3 as well however, being on that DJI ecosystem upgrade every 2-3yrs kinda suxs!! What to do...Fatshark, DJI or HD Zero??
I actually don't mind any payment hurdles I simply want the best. Sure upgrade every few years that's ok if the jump in quality is worth it. In another few years maybe we will see a 4K live stream and the money will probably fly out of my pocket on it's own. 😂
Canvas mode is here now for v1 and v2. It's a bit hacky right now but it will be part of the recently released patcher as a checkbox enablable feature eventually.
It's here now at the click of a button see my channel. Live audio, osd, 60mbps mode and more!
My beef with my Dji is the huge, heavy, sitting in the back of the movie theater feel. Dominator hd goggles feel awesome.
Which DJI goggles have the sitting in the back of the movie theater feel? How much of an improvement are the Dominator goggles in that regard?
Anyone else more excited to see Bots frame? Lol
I am lol
Mike Bergman I was thinking the same thing.
YES
Thanks Tommy for reviewing this. Still using analog because I am still not sure about DJI. Can't wait to see if it is worth it after firmware.
Thank you for this video, Tommy. I was waiting for it, as I believe you are probably the most fair and unbiased professional pilot reviewer in the FPV community, as to my knowledge you aren't being paid by Rotor Riot or Red Cat Holdings. Two questions please: 1) If you had to buy either DJI or the Avatar system at *this point in time*, which would it be (also taking into account that DJI is actually less expensive)? and 2) You're a professional pilot - at *this point in time*, would you trust the Avatar system on a cinelifter or any FPV quad being used for mission-critical professional filming?
Hey Diego! If I wasn't already heavily invested in DJI and I was able to review/test both systems AS OF TODAY. I would go DJI. As for your second question, I haven't been able to test the system on set in the professional world so I don't know how it behaves along side the myriad of things that are transmitting (like a teradek or microlite). If the Avatar system proves to be more resilient under the noisy RF environments on set, then I would choose it over DJI.
Walksnail, cool cool, but let’s talk more about THAT BG FRAME!! When??
Just not going to get into that system just yet. Have other things in the works. Plus remember what Vik FPV suggested, “you don’t have to always go with the latest and greatest, sure it’s nice but stick with the gear that you’ve already got.”
Just wait and see,..., im using dji about a years now. And its worth it to wait and see about this googles, the setup can connect to the hdmi analog monitor adjust focus its amazing.
It would be cool to be able to turn on horizon , 3x3 grid, or shifting horizon lines using gyro. Pretty cool.
Nice review! Very honest and logical opinions and speculation on potential future improvements. Thanks! 😎🤘
Thank you Tommy best review jet.
Hi is there any possible way to fly it with micros? I mean whoops and stuff.
Ooooo. That BotGrinder frame looks siiiiicccckkk! Did someone get invisaline? It sounds like you have a lisp with the tray in. HDZero hopefully will be better. DJI goggles also can be worn with glasses on. The dominator doesn't look like it can.
LOL yes... the Invisalign has been plaguing my ability to talk
It's all a win win for me .
More companies doing digital more products, the better it will all get.
If you told me 7 years ago wen I got my new commander analog goggles, thinking I was killing it , that all this was going to happen ... would not of believed it. Lol I've try to fly my old analog stuff , but I just don't anymore.
Wen u binded goggles to vtx , it all sounded way to similar. Like are all these vtx's coming out of the same factory 🏭 Hmmm ???
This was one of the most honest and good reviews ive seen so far.
I just started with analog a few months ago and its perfectly fine to start with.
After ive seen 21.22.5 firmware uptate im having a good feeling about this.
If im going digital, im going fatshark/walk. Only downside im having is the no hdmi input.
Otherwise theydid evrything right.
No HDMI or analog input. Even DJI is more open at this point...
@@kamnxt I had that thought when I went digital last year. “Oh my I’ll heed to get these goggles paired up with an analog receiver!” After I flew the Dji rig I was like… analog what? A few weeks into digital and analog literally was a disgusting experience making me wonder how I stuck with the hobby 4 years before going digital.
Well I am sure that DJI can upgrade their existing system with a firmware update or I wait until it's hacked. Fatshark has lost me as a customer forever. I will never buy one of their products. I stay with my trusted DJI Goggles. They even deleted my comment that was very well put together. It was a constructive critizisem with alot of arguments. That's the type of company fatshark is. They will never scam me!
no I don't think dji should worry because they are the first company that came out with digital and I think that they can surpass fatshark far better
Look what happened to OG Fatshark. They was the first analog goggle. They had no competition for years. Then orca, skyzone come out. Competition is good thing. Makes companies work harder to out do each other.
@@chrismillersrcfamily Assuming Fat Shark doesn't quit on this system just like they did with SharkByte.
If walksnail fatshark avatar HD keeps backwards compatibility and community in mind they will be the best company.
DJI is already seeming to be on its way to upset it's current customers by making v3 stuff incompatible to v2.
@@chrismillersrcfamily So true. Makes me think would , fatshark even have digital if DJI didn't come along 🤔
@@aakashjana6225 yeah, im sure fatshark is super worried about the commuinty. Thats exactyl why this brand new system that is worse in every way to a 2 year old system is even more expensive. Im sure those 600 dollar goggles are very pro consumer. LOL
In terms of how the goggles are smaller? Yes. In terms of most other things? Nah.. still need some catching up!
Fantastic review, Tommy! Thanks! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
… and damn that botgrinder frame is beautiful.
lol yes it is
Thank you Tommy for your clean unemotional review
I'm kinda bummed, I hope they fix that compression problem soon. I pre ordered, and just got mine, after flying a friends DJI system, and loved the clarity. That blocky Mine craft shit has to go!
thank you for being an early adopter. i pre ordered a set of Dom HD3's that never worked good even after sending them back for fixing. i've used that $600 goggle a total of 3 times and use my old goggles instead. FPV is risky to the wallet!
@@djSpinege Goooooood luck with them. I almost made the same mistake. But i change my mind and buy DJI V2 now i don't regret
Not selling my V2 anytime soon :-)
Follow the money……it’s in FPV military applications……our low volume/low profit RC hobby market has been measured……and found wanting😎
I found out that the DJI headset doesn't fit my face well but currently I am just using the DJI FPV drone and have not done much with my other drones
1:40 that make me still fly analog. I am just regular fpv hobbyist. Walksnail is good, from goggle design to product support/product improvement/whatever except the video quality.
I don't understand why they didn't provide video input for analog VRX or for PC simulator ?
Is it "hard" or the chip tech doesn't compatible at all to provide the feature ?
What I expected from walksnail/fatshark HD googles is a VRX module bay, 3rd party product is okay as long as they provide the possibility (video-in).
Analog won't be dead in 1 decade because it is more universal, relatively cheap, a lot of options, and a lot of people already using it and might still want to keep using it for some reason, example for tinyWhoop or lite weight micro.
Unless the manufacturer and the business want it to die soon ...
Yea... it seems like a good feature to have especially for those transitioning from analog and have a lot of drones. It certainly helped me transition to DJI as I wanted to fly multiple drones when I go out, but only wanted to carry one set of goggles.
@@ummagawdFPV yeah, I love being able to use the URUAV analog adapter V3 with the very solid metal case and fly really good looking analog! The best image quality I've ever had with analog is with the DJI V2 goggles!
IMO, that's a huge downfall of the Fatsnail system is no analog! One easy way to afford these digital systems is to sell you used analog goggles! My friend sold his HDO's for around $400 and was able to easily sell an analog quad that was his least favorite and he had all the money for the DJI V2 goggles. With having to keep your analog goggles along with buying digital, it makes it much more "cash outta pocket" with buying the WalkShark! (?) lol or, as Botgrinder calls them, the FatShart! 🤪
Great production Tommy!👍👍
Much appreciated!
Love your videos and your work man, keep it up. Just an observation, your camera keeps focusing in your hands instead of your face.
Super suprised you just showed that frame like it's nothing lol
it's a really clean frame ;)
According to some recent news, it sounds like Fatshark is using DJI's chipset.
DJI's next strategic move will be sending out there version 3 with their new chipset, leaving Fatshark with the old ones. Lol
lol right?!
@@ummagawdFPV Mad's Tech reported they rebranded the Artosyn chipset as a Virtex FGA, which would not even be compatible with the HD system.
If they did do that and pull out the V3, win for DJI again.
Great videos as always!!
If the fatshark system was 2/3 to half the price of DJI, it would be a no brainer. But cost for cost and the current state of things, It's going to be really difficult to dethrone DJI.
I’ve got both Dji still just wins. It’s just form factor really
Nice review mate, thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Tommy.
Tommy, after watching this whole video twice, I still can't see how you think it looks better than DJI. Maybe you have to see it in the googles, but DVR to DVR DJI is much better. Maybe after many updates. I hope it can catch up and maybe be better one day.
Honest as ever Tommy. Thanks!
Why would DJI be worried about this half assed, broken, not ready product? Maybe in a year when this is sorted out and works correctly. Even then DJI will be on V3 or higher while Fatsnail is still trying to get this V1 working. Better question should be..
Should Walkshark be worried about HDZero? Fatshark already screwed Karl so he has a reason to try to kill this joke.
Unfortunately, I don’t think that dji v3 will be for fpv freestyle. All leaks and leads point to the cinematic world with all in one action camera vtx’s that is gonna be blowing your wallet out to put them on a fleet of quads. I bet the vtx’s will be closer to $300 a pop and goggles prolly won’t change a lot. I have both v2 and new fatshark. According to what has been said and leaked, v3 isn’t for me. Guess we will see
Did see anyone show what the 1080 on board like yet and it's awesome!! I'm sure to already know the just recently came out with a firmware update to help improve images quality in goggles 👌💯 great review tommy and this is gonna be good!!
I believe future updates will practically get these goggles to the DJI level as far as quality is concerned. Thinking the latency will be closer to DJI than HDZero, which I don’t mind. Too bad about the lack of hdmi in. I’m leaning heavily on just buying them and watch the system grow. I’m now mostly curious about penetration. I think HDZero kinda blows when it comes to penetration. Btw, I fly HDZero and will continue to for racing. Great review!
Thank you Tommy,......!!! Good Luck Ummagawd
The v3 googles will be the best Again !! Hurry up release the fpv 2nd generation W. V3 googles
how is it when flying with others tho? like do you need 20ft of seperation between each other to fly together?
A live Long range competition needs to happen
Yes I totally agree with ya, and for it to be done by real longrange pilots and not freestyle pilots haha.
Reminder:
The fan switch is a long press power button on Attitude V6.
Just move a jumper on the power input side behind the second port access panel.
As usual a great review from the man him self. Thanks
Hdzero is the competition.....
Can we used the dji googles v2 with walksnail avatar?
Waiting for a Walksnail/Dominator module.
ummagawd drop the link for that apple watch band I'm digging it, The walksnail system is very nice but I rock DJI .
Can we talk about the motors on the quad? That's what I want 🤔👌
Hehe… they’re out now on www.ummagawd.com
I'm not clear on the latency thing. Are people referring to a delay between the stick input and the quad's movement? Maybe because I'm old but I see so such lag. It's pretty much instant.
Awesome video Tommy...great info!!
i think the hd zero is clear then avatar?
No, actually the HDZero is the LEAST CLEAR - all sorts of snow, fuzz, distortion and those crazy full screen vertical rainbow bars! Lowest quality image, by far, and very poor penetration of objects. Currently, a distant 3rd place.
That being said, Carl is a great FPV community guy, and my hope and prayers are that he gets his system to be the best digital FPV system on the market. I have my doubts it can be done, but I can always hope! 👍
I also think that HDZERO looks better than this system. I've seen side by side screenshots of both and HDZERO looks way better.
I like that they r a fpv company. It has canvas mode. They will add things we ask for. Where while dji is great they don't really care about us. They could end up pulling their stuff.
I do have DJI. I want HDzero for micros. I am eyeing this avatar waiting for it to be final product
Yo bro..... Where is the Walksnail Avatar comparison and review???!!!! Specifically a direction comparison between Fatshark & walk snail??? Cause that's what most people are confused which one to "BUY""? So what's your opinion?? Great Video cheer up
How does it compare to dji when they first released the fpv system? Most reviews initially said it wasn't really ready yet.
Excellent video
16:50 This does not sound clear to me, I'm new to the hobby. In analog, I assume the OSD is added to the video feed that comes from the drone. Meaning, you couldn't have a second receiver record clean video, as the color/pixel data behind the text is lost. For that reason it's beneficial to have telemetry be received(closed caption/subcarrier?) and interpreted by the goggles, so for example clean video can be sent out an HDMI port as well as the ability to have a *second receiver getting clean feeds. * I envision a DVR that grabs and records everything it understands.
Nice Tommy. Great review brother 👊🏻
Thanks 👍
They could have started by making the price lower than the DJI...but no for some reason 600 bucks seems fair to them.
Never mind an A/B test with DJI, how about an A/B/C with DJI and HDZero? You wanna talk latency?
They don’t have to worry because their customer base is larger. But this is going to be good for FPV.
I'm still flying analog and looking at all of the options. One of the things for me that's a ding for DJI is that it's not clear to me how long you will be able to obtain vtx's for a set of goggles that they discontinue. Today the air unit is out of stock on the DJI web site and we know their V2 goggles are being replaced by presumably something else. HD Zero looks like an option but their current VTX line up is limiting for is power across the various board sized. Will be interesting to see where the Walksnail firmware goes in the near future.
Good point about support and production. I'm more looking at the price point, avatar or dji, they are both expensive.
@@jeffclassics Yes they are. It would cost me over $1k just to upgrade my two quads :(. Am guessing that price isn't going to come down anytime soon.
@@ShermanKenB even used Dji gog V2 costs 80-90% of bnew. In my case I have a 1k worth of setup. That's 2.0 2s, 2.5 4s and 4.0 4s radio and 04L. Upgrading vtx HD alone costs the same as all my existing equipment combined. I'm rooting for HD zero but I'm willing to wait another year.
and how do you know fat shark wont abandon this just like the did with skarkbyte? LOL. This is a potential question for all brands. Id rather go with a big established brand. Its crazy how fatshark can look shady even when compared to some chinese megacorp like dji.
With Fatshark, do you need to create an account, update the XXware prior to using the goggles?
nope just download it and move it to the SD card
@@ummagawdFPV OOOh copy that!! likey likey!! Thanks!
I feel like Fatshark missed on the name, they already sed Dominator and these goggles have a very HammerHead shark feel. The firmware update really helped Bardwell; I'm cautiously optimistic. I am really interested in HD but not a fan of the DJI ecosystem.
DJI goggles are being rooted and you can instal WTFOS fatshark can swim away for now
what dont u like about the dji ecosystem? Its leagues and bounds above everything else.
I was against DJI also but i did buy brand new for 450€ and air unit for 168€ and they do work perfect. But Fatshark will need more firmware tuning before they will perform the same. And DJI can be rooted to add missing fpv options as full OSD, audio .... For this is neded firmware version 01.00.0606
these goggles seems much nicer than the DJI...
but I have too many Vistas and Air Units.
I don't doubt a few Firmwares down the road it will at least equal dji (not yet)
love the Canvas mode.
I have too many Vistas and Air Units... Dji V3?
HDzero Goggles will have analog too...
I wonder if the fact that DJI Goggles use both (!) 2.4Ghz and 5.8Ghz will make a difference when it comes to penetration/range of the Avatar system? As far as I know, the Dominator HD only uses 5.8Ghz.
Motors in view use to mean broken frame :D
When does botgrinders frame drop?
Thank you for your take on this system. Any idea when the 50mbps option will be implemented…. Seems like that would fix a lot of the issues. That was the turning point for DJI early on.
not sure when... hopefully soon
Sorry Fatshark, it's been a pleasure but, I just found someone way more attractive and up-to-date.
It's been lovely spending time with you, but you became old-tech and boring to be around. After all these years you didn't care much about improving to keep me around, now the competition showed up you decide to wear lipstick?!
I know it might hurt, but, you just can't beat the beauty of the feature-loaded DJI's goggles 2.
Welcome DJI to my FPV world, but be aware that I'm also flirting with HDZero, she really is an eye-catcher too! 😁
You like to fly close to stuff, as you said Tommy? You really should check out HDZero now! None of that blockyness, nearly no latency. No matter how far u go. The only thing is you need to be careful not to interrupt l.o.s. too much. Still: Signal comes back immediately once it comes back out of interruptions.
Maybe even wait till HDZero goggles are out. The Fatshark HDMI doesn't like a steady module connection, mine and many others died.
Out for repair, grounded on the HDZero builts..
isnt it a consensus already that compression is better than breakup? Id rather barely be able to see than to not be able to see at all. Digital video with analog breakup just seems like a dumb idea that wont ever make it past racing tracks.
Well if you haven't tried hd-zero you should at least get a 1w for fitment tests on the botgrinder frame. He said it wants it to fit and I'd imagine he wants it bando proof being him. Frame will end up close to 45mm wide to cover everything. Lol. The avatar looks like it's close to the edge and you can't have overhang with hd-zero cause the plug is on the side and easily broken.
Greetings very good review I use dji and for me the only drawback is that you can not share the video to other glasses through hdmi that would be great I do not know if you can with these.
the HDMI out on the Avatar is to go into a monitor, not another set of glass (unless it has an HDMI input)
Tommy I’m still rocking attitude v4
The digital systems took so so long to arrive to the market. I mean we’ve been using 5.8 GHz all along for the analog video for f. sake.
You should really try HDZero if you prefer low latency
does the DVR have Gyro Data ?
probably not, certainly not in goggle dvr, but on-board could be doable
if you have blackbox you could use that
Great review Tommy, did you experience much stuttering/skipped frames? Looks like maybe it could be an alternative to the current DJI system some day, the features and goggles have some appeal except for having zero input options :/
here hes got the old firmware, new firmware has stuttering but higher latency and better image
@@___echo___ the firmware at rampage had stuttering too tho, unless it went away between then and came back with the latest firmware
Pass on anything Caddx/Walksnail. They are late to the game, already have a v2 out that negates all the stock of v1 product. They now have a pro version so they can charge more to add back in something they took out, and the LQ and image quality have a lot to be desired.
This system was rushed and half-assed.
They are on the way out and will not be missed.
DJI has nothing to worry about, and they know it. But HDZero might make some headway, as theirs is WAY more polished than Walksnail/Caddx/Fatshark/Whatever other name they want to use to confuse us into thinking they are a legit company.
Do you think this would be a good option for a beginner? I am on the fence about this system or DJI.
You can't go wrong either way (unless Avatar's system doesn't improve.... but that's highly doubtful)
@@ummagawdFPV Thank you for replying back. I look forward to your opinion on new firmware updates.
With Fatsnail you have to "pray & hope" they DO get better. With DJI, you already know it is better and you are confident you have the very best in FPV.
But, that being said, it is premature to BUY RIGHT NOW! 🛑
There's a leak from DJI that tells us a V3 goggle is on the way. So, a wise buyer will wait to see what the V3 DJI FPV system will offer us. We must have patience in this FPV hobby! 🤔👍
@@KOrnhOliO1 I’m gonna wait and see what DJI comes out with too. Thank you for your input. Very helpful!
Hold it.
great video! exciting times for digital fpv :) Personally I am also way too invested in DJI and vista systems. It would be worth mentioning that recently a 'canvas' mode for the DJI v1 and v2 goggles is being worked on by the same people that made the dji -> hdmi out possible, and this is currently in beta - looking very promising also
that's great news!
The gui version will be ready once Bri3d finishes rewriting the msp_displayport emulator layer. Another month or more yet.
@@changeagent228 Great to hear and exciting! thanks! :)
@@changeagent228 would love to test this when ready
@@ummagawdFPV It's ready now!!! 😄👍🏻 Strap yourself in! Live Audio + Canvas OSD + 60Mbps mode + More!!
30x30 please. Love the smaller profile. One of the many reasons I would never buy DJI goggles... the HUGE size. Time to empty out my wallet.
What the Hell? Why does a big company like DJI not support the Android platform? Only iOS? Why?
05:00 the air unit?
Short Answer : NO
The DJI system is too way better , smoothest and stable.
My money goes to HD Zero for sure! Walksnail is a bad copy of DJI! with exactly same problems DJI have but worst..... like image breaks
I guess we need to stop thinking of it as all one unit. Like vista, caddx, air unit, dji. We just call it one or the other.
that probably makes more sense
Nice video