This is amazing. Great video and great to see that there’s a serious competition going on in the HD FPV market. Remains to be seen if and what’s going to be HDZero’s next move too 😊
I am definitely going to try the live streaming scenario you laid out when I get mine. I was thinking the same thing when I heard about the usb-c output.
As always, a terrific video. For reference purposes, is the latency higher than DJI? Can you do side-by-side video comparisons between DJI and the Avatar system at the same bitrate, resolution, and transmit power? And range testing? A lot to ask - I know - but you're an FPV community ambassador, and have always proved to be reliable and trustworthy so your opinions carry a lot of weight. Thank you!
on paper, the Fatshark system is faster at 22ms vs DJI's 28ms. While I haven't done range testing myself, RR's channel showed range being comparable. Unfortunately it's hard for me to find a spot here in socal where I can do a range test safely.... but I'll see wussup
The DJI goggle V2 was good, but I'm sold on the goggle 2. Sorry Fatshark, it's been a pleasure but, I just found someone way more attractive and up-to-date. It's been lovely spending time with you, but you became old-tech and boring to be around. After all these years you didn't care much about improving to keep me around, now the competition showed up you decide to wear lipstick?! I know it might hurt, but, you just can't beat the beauty of the feature-loaded DJI's goggles 2. Welcome DJI to my FPV world, but be aware that I'm also flirting with HDZero, she really is an eye-catcher too! 😁
Cool that they have HDMI output. Especially for those commercial jobs. Though doubt I’ll want to fly via the monitor setup. Still great to have options. Thanks for the demo! 👍👍🏝
On your previous video I was tempted to make a cutting remark as to still no competition. However this video is excellent and certainly as good as what I am used to with DJI. Well done Fatshark, Walksnail etc. just sort out your price to be cheaper than DJI and you will inherit a lot of users., because the goggles are a lot neater.
This is very exciting news. I had high hopes and they may not be dashed after all. I've been holding out, lets see some extensive testing, I'm not quite convinced yet. Trust me, I want this to succeed. Time will indeed tell Tommy. Thanks for the great news!
My gut is telling me it is going to handle rf interference the same as dji. The rf seems like it is essentially the same. Both systems are based on the same type of rf modulation as lte but over 5.8ghz channels.
Wow looks super good here.. & i really want canvas mode for my long range quads. Like my Rekon5 that i just use the DJI DVR sometimes to get longer flight time recording things. that 1080p 50mbps might look better.
Bring it on set to the next shoot you do and prove the RF noise to us all ! If it performs better that would be huge since DJI's bread and butter is industry lvl tech
yea DJI at this point in time is simply better and proven. Teradek is in a whole different area of video transmission aimed at cinema cameras. That wouldn't be an apples to apples at all.
The DJI goggle V2 was good, but I'm sold on the goggle 2. Sorry Fatshark, it's been a pleasure but, I just found someone way more attractive and up-to-date. It's been lovely spending time with you, but you became old-tech and boring to be around. After all these years you didn't care much about improving to keep me around, now the competition showed up you decide to wear lipstick?! I know it might hurt, but, you just can't beat the beauty of the feature-loaded DJI's goggles 2. Welcome DJI to my FPV world, but be aware that I'm also flirting with HDZero, she really is an eye-catcher too! 😁
I'd like smaller air unit. Like you, I'm pretty ensconced in the DJI system. Although it's only 3 frames. Something smaller from Walksnail would be nice.
The betaflight osd isn’t recorded on the dvr. Joshua bardwell mentioned that in one of his videos on it. If you watch any videos people record from the hdmi out you can see the betaflight osd there. Rotor riot posted a couple live streams on Facebook that show the osd with this system.
Can you do that latency test with the goggles, to compare what the osd is saying, and what you are actually getting in each different mode. Word is that the new update has increased latency
If your testing was accurate the update added latency. Bardwell was getting 25ish when it claimed 21 or so. You were getting the original 1080p numbers. Makes me curious if it got slower as well.
Hi, i bought a monitor and 4k cabe hdmi but just tryed test watching playback vídeos on the goggles and it didn't work. After i will try test like you did, thanks!
I got the Recon HD goggles and using them feels like I'm in the back of a movie theatre. The screen feels like it's about 6 inches away from my eyes. What is the experience with the Dominators? How much would it feel like I am more to the front of the movie theatre if any?
I'd like them to bring out a basic HD video RX only...HDMI output....I don't need expensive goggles with tiny screens I probably can't focus on. I think FS are missing a trick here....🤔🤔😳😏🇬🇧
We all wanna see if this system has a spectate mode and how the second pair of goggles performs. As in the dji spectate mode, especially when you buddy box its almost non usable when flying with someone.
Man, just wish the IPD would go wider, hope they come out with a module so I could use a skyzones goggle, or I'll have to go with HdZero, actually will probably be a while to come out with one so guess it's HdZero for the time being
Please follow up with this system in professional set shoots! I'm always battling dji for the things I need and this stuff could potentially solve a lot of those issues. Is there a clean hdmi output?
Great review. It wouldn't surprise me that FS would purposely release a BETA firmware while already possessing the tweaked, .5 version that fixed the problems. Lets see how many further "fixes" are released that enhance PERFORMANCE (visual or latency upgrades - (NOT UI UPGRADES or "ISN"T WORKING NOW BUT WILL WORK EVENTUALLY" ) - I'm guessing probably NONE) Even the first Rotor Riot reviews looked better than the firmware that they shipped with. That blocky looking image they shipped with wasn't an error, it was a clever marketing technique.
Any chance you could link that specific cable you used? I've tried a dozen cables and like 5 different TVs and monitors, and I can't get any video out. My friend who has the goggles has the same issue with his cable and monitors. Please with waffles on top? :D
So with the latency you’re able to count through the monitor. Would that be increased while using the capture card for streaming? Also is the latency in the monitor the same in the goggles if you change the bitrate?
I would imagine that adding a capture card would increase latency to your end monitor. Can't answer the bitrate question because only "standard" works right now
Don't waste your money on anolog... Trust me when I say you'll eventually switch and be like why did I spend all that money in the first place lol. Its a good skill to know how to make anolog drones... But seriously just jump straight to digital you won't regret it.
Listen to the Droneguytoronto, you are just wasting your money and will be hurting your flying skills as it will take you longer to get confidence in hitting small gaps etc. Analog is dead, long live digital!!
As another newbie here I went digital straight away and these guys are right… being able to see every twig and blade of grass has been great for confidence in flying around especially hitting gaps. The audio unless you’re flying miles away you can hear the quad they’re loud enough
hey tommy, the monitor you are using looks like a really old fpv monitor. monitors actually add alot of latency inside their hdmi inputs. Please find a monitor with a low latency hdmi port and try again. This way you can isolate whether its the monitor or the avatar system thats doing the latency.
I've actually found the older ones that don't blue screen of death, to be pretty fast. But you're right that some monitors can add latency. Unfortunately this is the only one I have (other than a TV... but that would definitely add latency).
Yes, approx 10ms apparently. Seems like they traded less compression for more latency. I'm sure in small goggle screens when flying it looks pretty good, and that's what matters for FPV but watching this on my laptop, every frame I paused with grass in it has huge amounts of smearing still. It is much better than when first released though so hoping things can keep improving, as long as it's not at the expense of latency though, as that would be a killer for me.
Really, it's a mistake to combine the receiver and view screen in the same unit (as goggles do). You want them totally separate, so one can advance independently, and the other as well, connected together via a standard cable, and you can upgrade one side or the other. With goggles, you pretty much have to throw away the whole unit.
Watch Josh Bardwell's video on the updated firmware - there was significant stuttering. Enough that JB felt that he was on the verge of immediately losing video, so he turned around.
Watch dji make hdmi out with their new system now. I have like 15 rigs with vista or air unit. Its gonna suck financially transferring over to this system but the attitude of these companies compared to dji makes me want to.
I moved to the EU a while back. The thing I miss the most about life in America is getting more than 3 ice cubes in my iced coffee. Especially in the summer days. The best thing about this Fatshark HD review was watching @Ummagawd’s coffee cup full of ice. Why are ice cubes so hard to get in Europe? Why do baristas give me confused looks when I ask for extra ice?
I'd say we've been told!! thanks though; education may include at least a single reference... An OTG cable has a micro-A plug on one end, and a micro-B plug on the other end (it cannot have two plugs of the same type). OTG adds a fifth pin to the standard USB connector, called the ID-pin; the micro-A plug has the ID pin grounded, while the ID in the micro-B plug is floating. USB On-The-Go - Wikipedia [just a small reference to get started] still insignificant without an application for the full educational immersion!! Great point ya made for sure!!
Not sure OTG is the right spec, IIRC OTG specification is designed for data only, but has largely been replaced by USB-C dual role. This should just requires cable designed for "HDMI Alt Mode for USB Type-C", which I am not sure if its compatible with Thunderbolt 3(type C connector) Alt Mode that Apple uses.
Yeah, again, the latency to an HDMI monitor is disappointing. How can these video guys keep failing at this. Just give us a good digital video receiver box that outputs to HDMI or DisplayPort. how hard can that be? I don't want to fly wearing goggles, ever, or at all. I wouldn't be plugging into a 10" monitor... more like a 42" TV or bigger for a totally imemrsive experience. Once you fly that way, you'll wonder why you ever tolerated 2" goggle screens at all.
Call it the FatSnail system. Less of a mouthfull 😄
Thank you for the update. I’m analog still and this is great news. I’m not pulling the trigger yet but it’s back on the map.
best man for testing this new system.. thx a lot thommy for this job.
I love how you have experience with the cinematic part of drones. It's very fascinating.
This is amazing.
Great video and great to see that there’s a serious competition going on in the HD FPV market.
Remains to be seen if and what’s going to be HDZero’s next move too 😊
great video! not even considering buying anything until we see the new DJI products
I am definitely going to try the live streaming scenario you laid out when I get mine. I was thinking the same thing when I heard about the usb-c output.
As always, a terrific video. For reference purposes, is the latency higher than DJI? Can you do side-by-side video comparisons between DJI and the Avatar system at the same bitrate, resolution, and transmit power? And range testing? A lot to ask - I know - but you're an FPV community ambassador, and have always proved to be reliable and trustworthy so your opinions carry a lot of weight. Thank you!
on paper, the Fatshark system is faster at 22ms vs DJI's 28ms. While I haven't done range testing myself, RR's channel showed range being comparable. Unfortunately it's hard for me to find a spot here in socal where I can do a range test safely.... but I'll see wussup
The DJI goggle V2 was good, but I'm sold on the goggle 2.
Sorry Fatshark, it's been a pleasure but, I just found someone way more attractive and up-to-date.
It's been lovely spending time with you, but you became old-tech and boring to be around. After all these years you didn't care much about improving to keep me around, now the competition showed up you decide to wear lipstick?!
I know it might hurt, but, you just can't beat the beauty of the feature-loaded DJI's goggles 2.
Welcome DJI to my FPV world, but be aware that I'm also flirting with HDZero, she really is an eye-catcher too! 😁
Cool that they have HDMI output. Especially for those commercial jobs. Though doubt I’ll want to fly via the monitor setup. Still great to have options. Thanks for the demo! 👍👍🏝
Nice!! Yeah, that Alta X is surely a neat design with push button compaction system and 'swash-plate' helicopter style blades.
This is really awesome stuff! Got decisions to make soon!!😁😎🤜
On your previous video I was tempted to make a cutting remark as to still no competition. However this video is excellent and certainly as good as what I am used to with DJI. Well done Fatshark, Walksnail etc. just sort out your price to be cheaper than DJI and you will inherit a lot of users., because the goggles are a lot neater.
This is very exciting news. I had high hopes and they may not be dashed after all. I've been holding out, lets see some extensive testing, I'm not quite convinced yet. Trust me, I want this to succeed. Time will indeed tell Tommy. Thanks for the great news!
Always a great review 👍🏽
I appreciate that!
Thank you again for another great video. And replying to my comment on your last video. 👍
Hype for this !! Thanks for the updates 🙂 may the quad gods bring favor upon you
Dork
Hey! I’m not the only one still rocking the 3DRobotics monitors 🤘
they're gold now... any new monitor gets the blue screen of death
My gut is telling me it is going to handle rf interference the same as dji. The rf seems like it is essentially the same. Both systems are based on the same type of rf modulation as lte but over 5.8ghz channels.
I love this💋
Wow looks super good here.. & i really want canvas mode for my long range quads. Like my Rekon5 that i just use the DJI DVR sometimes to get longer flight time recording things. that 1080p 50mbps might look better.
Bring it on set to the next shoot you do and prove the RF noise to us all ! If it performs better that would be huge since DJI's bread and butter is industry lvl tech
Oh man don’t say that.So now I would have to go get me one 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
If posible, please make a video comparison between DJI and Fatshark HD vs teradek. I think it would be very interesting
He will not becouse DJI will be better. But maybe on fatshark V2 they will be on DJI level. But hey DJI will realise V3 anny time now.
yea DJI at this point in time is simply better and proven. Teradek is in a whole different area of video transmission aimed at cinema cameras. That wouldn't be an apples to apples at all.
Please test RF noise Tommy. Thank you for your work!
The DJI goggle V2 was good, but I'm sold on the goggle 2.
Sorry Fatshark, it's been a pleasure but, I just found someone way more attractive and up-to-date.
It's been lovely spending time with you, but you became old-tech and boring to be around. After all these years you didn't care much about improving to keep me around, now the competition showed up you decide to wear lipstick?!
I know it might hurt, but, you just can't beat the beauty of the feature-loaded DJI's goggles 2.
Welcome DJI to my FPV world, but be aware that I'm also flirting with HDZero, she really is an eye-catcher too! 😁
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Fantastic testing and review, Tommy! Thanks! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I'd like smaller air unit. Like you, I'm pretty ensconced in the DJI system. Although it's only 3 frames. Something smaller from Walksnail would be nice.
No testers are flying with Betaflight OSD active. I think you should do that, so that we see how that looks.
The betaflight osd isn’t recorded on the dvr. Joshua bardwell mentioned that in one of his videos on it. If you watch any videos people record from the hdmi out you can see the betaflight osd there. Rotor riot posted a couple live streams on Facebook that show the osd with this system.
@@JZEFPV Cool, thanks for that info. I've since seen those videos, and you're right! Looks good.
Can you do that latency test with the goggles, to compare what the osd is saying, and what you are actually getting in each different mode. Word is that the new update has increased latency
If your testing was accurate the update added latency. Bardwell was getting 25ish when it claimed 21 or so. You were getting the original 1080p numbers. Makes me curious if it got slower as well.
Hi, i bought a monitor and 4k cabe hdmi but just tryed test watching playback vídeos on the goggles and it didn't work. After i will try test like you did, thanks!
Bro do u directly conect usb type c to hdmi cables from goggle to monitor right
Could i display my pc screen to the goggles like for a sim?
I got the Recon HD goggles and using them feels like I'm in the back of a movie theatre. The screen feels like it's about 6 inches away from my eyes. What is the experience with the Dominators? How much would it feel like I am more to the front of the movie theatre if any?
What's great news is that your a patriot! You got pissed! n had a good day! Australia love its American patriots! 4th July guys. INDEPENDENCE DAY
😎👍
I'd like them to bring out a basic HD video RX only...HDMI output....I don't need expensive goggles with tiny screens I probably can't focus on. I think FS are missing a trick here....🤔🤔😳😏🇬🇧
We all wanna see if this system has a spectate mode and how the second pair of goggles performs. As in the dji spectate mode, especially when you buddy box its almost non usable when flying with someone.
Yes 👍👍👍👍👍
Man, just wish the IPD would go wider, hope they come out with a module so I could use a skyzones goggle, or I'll have to go with HdZero, actually will probably be a while to come out with one so guess it's HdZero for the time being
Homie, do i have news for you.
@@NotShuba yep, saw it with in a few hours of it being announced!!! Hopefully they stick to the December 10th release date...
Please follow up with this system in professional set shoots! I'm always battling dji for the things I need and this stuff could potentially solve a lot of those issues. Is there a clean hdmi output?
unfortunately as of now, the HDMI out includes the OSD stuff. Would definitely love to have a clean output as well
Do you need a capture card for PC? Seems like you could just use USB-C into the computer and use OBS to capture?
Great review. It wouldn't surprise me that FS would purposely release a BETA firmware while already possessing the tweaked, .5 version that fixed the problems.
Lets see how many further "fixes" are released that enhance PERFORMANCE (visual or latency upgrades - (NOT UI UPGRADES or "ISN"T WORKING NOW BUT WILL WORK EVENTUALLY" ) - I'm guessing probably NONE)
Even the first Rotor Riot reviews looked better than the firmware that they shipped with. That blocky looking image they shipped with wasn't an error, it was a clever marketing technique.
which do you use? please link, if poissible, thx..
Any chance you could link that specific cable you used? I've tried a dozen cables and like 5 different TVs and monitors, and I can't get any video out. My friend who has the goggles has the same issue with his cable and monitors. Please with waffles on top? :D
Bumping this 😊
🤠👍
So with the latency you’re able to count through the monitor. Would that be increased while using the capture card for streaming? Also is the latency in the monitor the same in the goggles if you change the bitrate?
I would imagine that adding a capture card would increase latency to your end monitor. Can't answer the bitrate question because only "standard" works right now
Newbie here. I'm buying analog. I'll switch in a couple of years after these companies sort their crap out. I want audio from the quad as a beginner.
Don't waste your money on anolog... Trust me when I say you'll eventually switch and be like why did I spend all that money in the first place lol. Its a good skill to know how to make anolog drones... But seriously just jump straight to digital you won't regret it.
Listen to the Droneguytoronto, you are just wasting your money and will be hurting your flying skills as it will take you longer to get confidence in hitting small gaps etc. Analog is dead, long live digital!!
Also you don’t need audio from the quad, nobody but Mr Steele does that.
As another newbie here I went digital straight away and these guys are right… being able to see every twig and blade of grass has been great for confidence in flying around especially hitting gaps.
The audio unless you’re flying miles away you can hear the quad they’re loud enough
hey tommy, the monitor you are using looks like a really old fpv monitor. monitors actually add alot of latency inside their hdmi inputs. Please find a monitor with a low latency hdmi port and try again. This way you can isolate whether its the monitor or the avatar system thats doing the latency.
I've actually found the older ones that don't blue screen of death, to be pretty fast. But you're right that some monitors can add latency. Unfortunately this is the only one I have (other than a TV... but that would definitely add latency).
what are your settings on Goggles
can I use an android phone to receive hdmi oputput from the goggles? or just a monitor?
It’s a standard hdmi out so probably?
I'm more interested in that drone you are flying. Is that the remix v3? And those motors, like big phat aerolites!!! Where can I get that? XD
those are the new 2306 aerolites... just released them on www.ummagawd.com
@@ummagawdFPV siiick. Thanks!
Where is HDzero ?
I wonder how well pilots flying this system will work with other systems such as DJI and analog.
that is definitely on the list of things to test
Thank you. I have a club member who bought a system and will see how it plays with DJI soon.
And what about HDMI input? Is it possible to use it with Velocidrone simulator? 🤓
Is the system able to be flow around dji vtx systems or will it failsafe?
good question
did the latency increase?
Yes, approx 10ms apparently. Seems like they traded less compression for more latency. I'm sure in small goggle screens when flying it looks pretty good, and that's what matters for FPV but watching this on my laptop, every frame I paused with grass in it has huge amounts of smearing still.
It is much better than when first released though so hoping things can keep improving, as long as it's not at the expense of latency though, as that would be a killer for me.
Maybe we get a hack on dji and/or avatar to make them compatible. That would be great …
I still think the hd zero goggles are gonna kill it
They're 420p at best with constant snow...🤔😳😮😏😏😏🇬🇧
Sold....take my wallet!!
Give me 50/mbit mode and the money will come flowing out these pockets. ALMOST!!
if 25 is this good now, I can't imagine what 50mb looks like. Let's just hope the latency stays the same
is it possible to have a side to side video of analog vs fatshark ? pleeeeease ;)
Looking to switch, but no quite sure the investisment is worth it.
noted
How are you liking the Avatar goggles Tommy?
Really, it's a mistake to combine the receiver and view screen in the same unit (as goggles do). You want them totally separate, so one can advance independently, and the other as well, connected together via a standard cable, and you can upgrade one side or the other. With goggles, you pretty much have to throw away the whole unit.
I think the companies actually prefer having us pay for new goggle units. So I don’t think they view it as a mistake at all.
I noticed some stuttering in your flight with the monitor -- was this just an artifact of the video or did you actually notice in flight?
Watch Josh Bardwell's video on the updated firmware - there was significant stuttering. Enough that JB felt that he was on the verge of immediately losing video, so he turned around.
yes... noticed them in flight (in goggles) as well. I suspect the high RF environment I'm in
Maybe better with a ultra low latency gaming monitor and a 24v to 220/120v converter
Which antennas? LHCP or RHCP?
Left
For a 25mbps feed that is in fact Very Good already much better than hdzero tbh.
Watch dji make hdmi out with their new system now. I have like 15 rigs with vista or air unit. Its gonna suck financially transferring over to this system but the attitude of these companies compared to dji makes me want to.
Well you bought the systems,15 how ridiculous.
that's fast through HDMI, zcam to Ninja V is prolly 3 times as slow
So what are those motors I see 🤔🤔
lol new aerolite 2306
is that the new botgrinder frame??????
yessir
a Analog input would be nice vor my tiny whoops 🥹
You have to do a penetration test against DJi
I moved to the EU a while back. The thing I miss the most about life in America is getting more than 3 ice cubes in my iced coffee. Especially in the summer days. The best thing about this Fatshark HD review was watching @Ummagawd’s coffee cup full of ice. Why are ice cubes so hard to get in Europe? Why do baristas give me confused looks when I ask for extra ice?
We usually don’t throw ice cubes in our coffee. Our iced coffee is made with vanilla ice cream and whipped cream on top 😉.
@@disco.volante that sounds delicious :)
I'll be sure to have more iced coffee cameos
@@ummagawdFPV thank you :) still, awesome review!!
Personally, I prefer products to work out of the box rather than endless software updates, but OK.
"Good job Fatshark" erm Walksnail
Lol right
Fatsnail
Why no one cares about camera HDMI in on vtx?
I reon I'll be spending my money with fat shark just cause I hate dji
FYI, folks. You can't just go and buy any USB-C to HDMI cable. It absolutely *has* to be an OTG cable. There is a difference. You've been educated.
I'd say we've been told!! thanks though; education may include at least a single reference...
An OTG cable has a micro-A plug on one end, and a micro-B plug on the other end (it cannot have two plugs of the same type). OTG adds a fifth pin to the standard USB connector, called the ID-pin; the micro-A plug has the ID pin grounded, while the ID in the micro-B plug is floating.
USB On-The-Go - Wikipedia [just a small reference to get started]
still insignificant without an application for the full educational immersion!! Great point ya made for sure!!
@@k4x4map46 in other words, won't work unless it's an otg cable.
Not sure OTG is the right spec, IIRC OTG specification is designed for data only, but has largely been replaced by USB-C dual role. This should just requires cable designed for "HDMI Alt Mode for USB Type-C", which I am not sure if its compatible with Thunderbolt 3(type C connector) Alt Mode that Apple uses.
@@MysteryD for sure totally understood!!
@@xyse247 otg is data and power, I can't say what makes it different than regular cable, I just know they won't work for this sort of application
Yeah, again, the latency to an HDMI monitor is disappointing. How can these video guys keep failing at this. Just give us a good digital video receiver box that outputs to HDMI or DisplayPort. how hard can that be? I don't want to fly wearing goggles, ever, or at all. I wouldn't be plugging into a 10" monitor... more like a 42" TV or bigger for a totally imemrsive experience. Once you fly that way, you'll wonder why you ever tolerated 2" goggle screens at all.