@@nomfundomdluli1544 Gone spiritual yes, but the world they saved or played a part in changing is still their. their efforts and victories are still their. a prequel show with each season looking at a new avatar life would be cool.
10,000 years is meant to be a metaphor for a really long time , like how Wan Shi Tong’s name “He Who Knows 10,000 Things” doesn’t really mean he knows 10,000 things but instead a lot of things. The number 10,000 is also used in Asian culture as a metaphor for a lot.
Actually i don't think it was meant to be a metaphor because in the series it did say 10,000 years literally no metaphor. Avatar wan did leave 10000 years prior to book 2 of korra so his approximation of the avatars is correct.
Thing is the whole convergence thing does date everything to about 10,000 a spirit stuck in a time tree would not get time wrong. and if the 180 statues are of all the avatars and no one lost or destroyed any of them then we would be dealing with 182 avatars in total as korra and Aang don't have statues in that temple.
OR maybe that 10000 years everyone said to be the period of the harmonic convergence IS a metaphor. the actual period might be a hundred thousand years or even longer, who knows?
If the average lifespan for an Avatar was 53 years of age (which seems about right), then good chance most of them were killed during battles or were assassinated.
Take into account the time period many of them lived theough. They did not have the medical knowledge we have in modern day. Dying in your fifties a thousand years ago was quite common as we lacked proper sanitation, medicine, and disease was rampant.
When Roku said "1000 times in 1000 lifetimes" the show was still in the beginning phases and the creators were not originally planning on flushing out the past avatars Kinda like how in Zuko alone the Fire Sage proclaimed that Fire Lord Azulon reigned for 23 years when all other media state that he reigned for 75 years because the creators had not yet planned out the Fire Lord lineage at that point in the show
Exactly! Jesus it’s like people pick and choose what to remember about the show. It’s not perfect, and especially in the first season they hadn’t fleshed out the story or world building.
Also the only avatar the creators were going to give a backstory to was Roku but then Kyoshi got popular which is why they dedicated an episode to her and one of the fans at comicon asked about the air nomad avatar before Aang so by the time book 2 was coming to an end the writers decided to give backstory to the other past avatars (hence their inclusion in Escape from the Spirit World)
Ansdif yeah about that.. it is confirmed that in the spirit world time passes differently than in the human world so that it is another explanation for koh’s words
Antoine Bandele so ur telling me that many avatars were assassinated young and never during those assassinations that certain avatar never went into the avatar state and stopped it?
@@evanb.7580 I mean think about it. Red Lotus tried to kidnap Korra when she was very young. So it is possible some other avatars were also kidnapped and killed when they were very young. Maybe.. 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed. I don’t think we should take the majority of Book 1 as absolute lore, since the statue of the Earth born Avatar before Roku, is distinctly a short man
If 181 statues, Wan 1st, Szeto 177th, Yangchen 178th, Kuruk 179th, Kyoshi 180th, Roku 181st. Then Aang 182nd, and Korra 183rd. The remainder when divided by 4 determines which element: remainder 0 = Earth, remainder 1 = Fire, remainder 2 = Air, remainder 3 = Water. The last statue-avatar (edit: in the room at 1:56) was Roku, so the exact number of statues must have remainder 1 when divided by 4, the closest being 181.
@@hakz_0 At 1:56 the room of statues Antoine is referring to is in the Southern Air Temple at the time of Book 1 Ep 3. There wasn't a statue of Aang yet, so Roku was the last one there. In a later scene in Legend of Korra there's a statue of Aang though
I do know in Chinese culture which as most know avatar is heavily based on numbers like 1,000 and 10,000 were mostly used non literally to describe the immense scale of something or to give more importance to something perhaps not actually on that scale so if an emperor had an army of 400 men it would be called the army of 1,000 men or an army of 5,000 men it would be the army of 10,000 men. This is also used with Wan Shi Tong as his name means "he who knows 10,000 things" as a spirit of knowledge its likely he knows much more than 10,000 but 10,000 is used as a number to say something is immeasurable. Its possible Roku could have been doing either one, either putting a hyperbolic flair on his words, or pointing out to jeong jeong how he cant even fathom how many times he has mastered the elements.
My guy in avatar they have been able to differentiate between a very long time and giving actual measurements of something. Not everything has to be Asian centric, even the accents of the voice actors who are American based. This show was publicly portrayed mainly to an American audience with little understanding of these concepts. The creators wouldn’t go as far as to confuse the fans without ever clarifying what they actually meant for over these years.
@@ElementMucho So are you saying you think there have actually been 1,000+ avatars? And what about Wan shi Tong? Is the spirit of knowledge's title "He who knows 1,000 things" accurate making him no smarter than the average person? The creators of avatar are huge east Asia Nerds. They took basic martial arts classes to make sure the fight choreography was grounded in reality if you took the bending away. So yeah I think they used a common Chinese hyperbole technique in early season one.
@@AntoineBandele I mean, the seemed like that temple was way bigger and taller, maybe some villains for the past avatars killed them earlier before they maybe got to the age of 35-40, and maybe some were massacred- the whole Wan story and the harmonic convergence thing kinda messed some stuff up to be honest-
@@thewinner6815 Not really, if the first avatar really existed 10000 years ago, then it's possible that we have at least 150 - 200 avatars, like 15 or 20 avatars per 1000 years, with lifespan of atleast 50-70 or even 100+ and it'll be sad if some avatars didn't even manage to reach 25 years or age due to illness or killed at young age or maybe an accident during a training. That's why I don't think Wan's story messed something, the years made sense.
@@KillberZomL4D42494Exactly WAN’s story helped create deeper lore and made the Origin of the Avatar World expand greatly. Imagine in the Future each of the 180 Avatars getting their own individual series down by Avatar Studios over the next 2 decades! Now that would be some amazing content for the next generation.
Around 180 i would agree is a good round number to be able to fit into the whole harmonic convergence and still give the avatars all a fair age as well. but very likely some died very young, some might have been stuck in ice like aang was or others lived very long life like Kyoshi.
I’ve always made a story in my head that at one point in the Avatar history there was a time when leaders of nations would reward people who would hunt down Avatars. Like every 10-20 years whenever someone found out that a certain person is the Avatar, people would be hunting him/her down to death because they were seen as a shenanigan or big threat to the world instead of seeing the Avatar as a positive figure. Remember the episode in ATLA called The Avatar Day? We saw how people hated Kyoshi and her Avatar successors. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were civilizations who were terrified of the Avatar.
From Wan to Korra there has been 183 avatars, Korra is the 183rd. We know this by counting the total number of avatar statues in the southern air temple (which has been shown twice) & also by calculating the element cycles of the avatar because they go in order. Wan which was the 1st avatar, learned the elements in the order of fire, air, water then earth & that is also the order in which the avatars come. Korra was a water based avatar, Aang before her was an air based avatar. Before Aang there was a fire based, before him there was an earth based & so on. So after Korea there will be an earth based avatar which would complete the 46th cycle of 4 avatars in a cycle.(46 times 4= 184) Starting with Wan who was a fire based avatar.
Simple. Avatar state is basically so overpowered no one could actually do it without using lighting, and lighting benders were rare + most avatars were more educated in it's dangers than Aang was.
Ozne Rocha but not all Avatar’s had immediate control, that takes practice. We’ve seen how many times Aang entered the Avatar state with no control over it. All it takes is a well placed attack. 1,000 Avatars makes it less and less likely that they all avoided death in the Avatar state for that long. Not completely impossible of course, just the odds are low.
@@Oznerock a full powered avatar yes, but a young one a skilled team or bender i would say could maybe kill the avatar and since we can assume most avatars where not idiots and did care about the future turned off avatar state before they died or never used in fatal battles. or raava turned it off.
This relies on the air temple to be old enough to have a statue for every avatar. It's likely a lot of the avatars could've been lost in history and not gotten a statue in the air temple since the air temple probably isn't 10,000 years old. There's a chance harmonic convergence isn't literally 10,000 years. If you want the full explanation as to why, there are dozens of other comments that explain why. Another possibility is the harmonic convergence in LOK wasn't the next one after Wan. Tenzin seemed to know all about harmonic convergence but had never heard of Wan, indicating a possibility that harmonic convergence had happened in between since Wan seemed to be lost in history but not harmonic convergence. With the portals closed Vatu couldn't escape even if this is true.
Tbh I think it can be possible to restore the link, and, following the trend of avatars fixing their past lives' mistakes, it would be nice to see Korra's successor doing that. Still, what I'd be excited about the most regarding a sequel to TLOK is seeing how the world of Avatar would be in our era.
Malpighia emarginata yeah I was going to say that I just wanted a shorter comment it would actually be a good retcon that I think nobody would be angry about
@@MrShadowThief In our era of the Avatar World there will be space travel. We saw in Legend of Korra that the planets aligned. So I see a future Avatar traveling from planet to planet and opening a spirit portal so that they become the Bridge between Worlds in the Material World no longer separating the Spiritual world. This way Spirits won’t overpopulate Earth with the Spirit Wilds like in the time of Wan. This also means that the era where there were no more lands to conquer would end & humans especially Firebenders (Element of Power) would seek new Worlds to explore & conquer. If there are 9 Planets eventually I see there being 9 Realms the Avatar will govern over similar to the 9 Realms of Asgard.
Just something to put out there- just because there are 180 statues in the air temple sanctuary doesn’t mean there were just that many avatars. There could have been more that weren’t recorded in history
@@tearet741Exactly, Wan in a way orchestrated everything so he’d become the center of attention in the world. We see that before he steals the Fire from the Lion Turtle that he sought after Power & that never ended! He wanted to be an Authority figure in the World & also didn’t like being seen as a normal human. He looked down on humanity!
The best answer would be 179 or 183 because there is 4 avatars in each avatar cycle and since Roku, Aang, and Korra’s cycle is not done those would be good answers
So when Aang visited the Southern aire Temple, there were 180 statues in place. Considering Wan was the 1st and Aang was the 181st Avatar and Korra being the 182nd, also knowing that Roku, Kyoshi, Kuruk, Yangchen, Szeto and Salai were past Avatars. In conclusion, we know 9 avatars from Wan to Korra, then there's approximately 173 Avatars we don't know of.
I watched in other RUclips channel related to the Legend of Aang and Korra (can't remember what channel it was) it says there that.. "there might be an avatar who died young like a scenario what if Aang didn't leave the southern air temple and the fire nation killed him or a scenario like what if Zaheer successfully kidnap young Korra." There might be an avatar who didn't reach their prime and got killed during their training. So yeah, they could live a thousand lifetime but some of them haven't written on the book.
@@icyycold1094 Lol except Kuruk. Although, all the other avatars still exist, as shown by the avatar state(which is when all previous lives pass on their skills at once), even after she supposedly lost her connection with them.
@@pablocesarsoriano3853 Korra messed up a lot of previously well-established rules and threw it out the window. I really wouldn't consider TLOK anymore as it breaks it's own established rules. That Wan story screwed up so much.
In Asian culture 10,000 is used as a metaphor, its not meant to be taken literally. Like Wan She Tong “he who knows 10,000 things” he doesn’t know 10,000 things it’s just a metaphor
What about the detail of Koh the face stealer telling Aang that one of his previous incarnations tried to slay him 800 or 900 years ago (The Siege of the north part 2)? Does that help with figuring out how many avatars there is?
I picked up this inconsistency in Roku's statement while watching ATLA again. I was lazy though and just applied the actual human lifespan of 79 years to avatars. This in 10,000 years of harmonic convergence gives us roughly 126 lifetimes. I didn't think to actually count the water temple statues lol.
Humans lifespans haven't been that high for much of humanity; considering that almost all of avatar is pre-modern, *and* Avatars would have been highly targetted individuals, their average lifespan would have been shorter. 55 years (10000/180) is reasonable.
I think there had to be way more. Idr anything about hermonic convergence or the start of the avatar cycle, but the avatar world exists in its own universe, and has its own laws that govern how it works, so its probably not something we can really figure out
If u r interested in knowing everything Avatar(ONLY if u r interested) I suggest u watch Avatar The Last Airbender (All 3 seasons on Netflix) Then purchase the comics to know what happens after the show ended : The Promise The Search The Rift Smoke and Shadow North and South Imbalance (U r to read them exactly in that order to understand the story, also each comic is divided into different parts) When you're done reading them all U can move on to the sequel of the series. It is called The Legend of Korra. A series surrounding the lifetime and adventures of Korra,Aang's next life/successor/the next Avatar. (U can watch all four seasons on either Prime Video or Apple Tv or u can buy them on RUclips) When you're done watching u move on to the comics Turf Wars Ruins of the Empire (These also have to be read in order to understand. They're divided into parts too. Lastly the comic run ain't done yet. There'll be more sequels for the comics in the future) And that about ends the canon Avatar Universe. However if u happen to become a die-hard Avatar fan and still hungry for more there's a team creating a fan Avatar project about the Avatar after Korra. @thelegendofgenji That's the channel Enjoy!!
It would be cool if the creators of the Avatar expanded to the past showing interesting stories about the Past Avatars (before Yangchen) in their each era like Assassin's Creed or Star Wars Legends like Avatar Szeto, Avatar Salai, Avatar Gun, and any other Past Avatars. That would be very cool
I think 53 is fairly accurate. Can we also take into account that while Avatar Wan started the Avatar cycle, Wan wasn't born a bender or an Avatar. His whole life shouldn't be considered. When people build timelines of the show, they usually miscalculate. Also spiritual projection is not an airbending move.
okay I agree with the first part but spiritual projection is an airbending move but you have to be deeply spiritual only jinora(I think that's how you spell it) has ever been know to do it
Lmao spiritual projection is an Airbender ability. Jinora literally said “it’s a high level Airbender technique with some spiritual stuff thrown in” she got her tattoos because of that. You either master 36 trials or 35 plus create or discover a new technique. Specifically and Airbender technique. Now projecting your spirit into the spirit world, everyone can do that. But projecting your spirit into the physical world, being able to communicate, and have people see you, is an Airbender technique
Most avatars didn't seem aware of Harmonic Convergence, which is why Korra had to connect to Wan in the first place. It makes sense he would think the Avatar has just existed since time immemorial.
Many, if not most of the early avatars prior to Kyoshi were most likely forgotten about and many of the early avatars died extremely young. Likely before they were old enough to learn all the elements.
Tbh I wouldn't trust the creators too much when it comes to maths. They messed up on the calculation for kyoshi's age initially before keeping it.. Also in atla, koh said that the avatar 'tried to slay him 800-900 years ago'. Clearly kuruk wasn't around this time ago soo
@@AntoineBandele With a name like Koh the face stealer, i am sure at least a few Avatars who were more of the go fighting all injustice and evil types would have gone after spirits like Koh. This is why we need more prequels for this universe so many tales that could be told with many new main characters.
@@AntoineBandele No Koh definitely meant in that scene Kuruk. Because in the next scene in which Aang asks him why his past life tried to kill him, he answers that he (Aangs past life) wanted to save his wife and at the same time he showed the face of Ummi, Kuruks wife.
@@AntoineBandele aang: " why did i try to kill you?" Koh: "it was something about stealing the face of somewone you loved" That confirms it was kuruk he was talking about
You also have to remember that in the beginning people probably didn't know that the Avatar cycle was a thing yes there was a statue of wan but the air nomads probably didn't understand the avatar cycle or infact have a name for it etc mayhaps the early air nation was commemorating wan with the first statue and didn't realize that there was an actual cycle until a couple hundred years later, that's just my thoughts I love you videos!😁
180 x 4 elements =720 times the avatar would have mastered an element. I think it’s actually what roku was talking about. When he said I have mastered the elements 1000’s of Times. 720 isn’t a 1000 but it could also explain/help retcon
My guy in avatar they have been able to differentiate between a very long time and giving actual measurements of something. Not everything has to be Asian centric, even the accents of the voice actors who are American based. This show was publicly portrayed mainly to an American audience with little understanding of these concepts. The creators wouldn’t go as far as to confuse the fans without ever clarifying what they actually meant for over these years.
I don't think its ever said, that the imprisonment of vaatu and the harmonic conversion were Korra fought were 10000 years apart. Only that harmonic conversion is every 10000 years. An it would only happen, when the portals are opened. What if one or a few more harmonic conversions would have happened because of time but couldn't because the portals were closed. That would make more that a 10000 years time span so the could fit in more avatars. Also it doesn't have to be that there is a statue for every avatar. Maybe the 800 ish avatar did a great deed to the air nomads so they build a statue of him and his every following life's. So why is there a wan statue, maybe he had some chit chat with another avatar too so this one build this statue/had it build. So Roku could have been right
I'd counter with the notion that with the level of technology we see in the Avatar universe from the point of Wan's death on that they'd have to have some of the worst technological stagnation in fiction of it was significantly more than 10,000 years, as we have it already the technological stagnation after 10,000 years is already really bad but anymore would be ridiculous. I overall like your theory but I just had to point this out.
@@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375 yeah I thought about that too. Well it looked like they devolved back to tents not stuff after leaving the lion turtle cities but yeah it's still a long time. But then a gain the jump from ATLA to LOK was also huge so ...
@@AntoineBandele hm yeah good point. Maybe korra didn't know better or its really just meant to say for 10k minimum since the next harmonic convergence will be in 10k. But then again it could just be like you said since Wan literally means 10000 ...
10,000. But tbh, Wan’s story can be considered as obsolete lore because it had contradictions which didn’t align with lore established by ATLA. It retconned a lot of stuff.
Andre Ransom To bring up one specific example, Wan’s story implied that the Avatar journey itself is redundant and a waste of time, if anyone was just able to acquire the power to bend an element from the lion turtles. Plus, in ATLA, the ability to bend the elements came as a gift from nature itself. Fire benders learned from the dragons, water benders from the moon and ocean, air benders from the sky bison, and the earth benders learned from the badger moles. Therefore, the entire lore of the first benders getting their ability from lion turtles doesn’t make any sense and out-right contradicts ATLA.
Yubi K ..The ability to master and control the elements came from the dragons and the badger moles..Even in ATLANTA lion turtle gave Aang the power of energy bending ..So that’s not really a contradiction...It actually expands on the role of lion turtles in the universe.
Yubi K. The lion turtles are basically a force of nature. The ability to control an element comes from the lion turtles, but they aren’t “bending” like we see in the series. In Wan’s time they used the power as a tool and nothing more. WAN was the first, as far as we know, to learn from one of the original benders, the dragons. They taught him how to actually bend, as an extension of his body rather than a tool. We see the other firebenders just throwing fire around with no technique, no form. And Wan was able to catch their flames and throw it back, it scared them. They more likely than not didn’t even know that was possible. The original benders: the moon, badgermoles, dragons, and sky bison taught humans how to bend properly as an extension of your body and mind. The lion turtles merely gave humans the power to do it, and it spread as they made babies and crossed the planet. It’s not a contradiction, people are using that word incorrectly in this instance. We know nothing about the history of the Avatar world, just a few hints here and there. Wan’s story is 10,000 whole years from ATLA so no one in universe remembers it. Same reason no one alive remembers the time of the Mayans, Ancient Egypt, etc. We only know about it from historians, and it’s actually only with the last 100-200 years that we explored enough to learn. And like us in the real world, people in ATLA made up their own legends and myths to fill in things they don’t know about, even if they do have some truths to them.
Since it was Roku, who said it, those people that said there were 1,000 avatars were double wrong, because there were 2 avatars after Roku, (Aang, Korra) they meant 1,002, and that’s even wrong
Another thing about the avatar statues at the southern air temple is that they were circling in to a finite center, almost like they knew the last avatar was soon...
✌🏼😊🇵🇭 *"I have mastered the elements a thousand times in a thousand lifetimes"* As a native and natural-born Filipino from the Philippines and an Asian from Asia itself, when I first heard this line and even up until now, I took and still take it as an idiomatic expression aka an idiom aka a saying. I never took and still never take it seriously and literally, because that's how, for example us Filipinos and most other South, East and Southeast Asian cultures and people that I know of, express a number of things that is finite but is just too much or too many to count, identify and put into number, or a number that is too much or too many but the speaker or writer doesn't know the exact and accurate number nor even the precise number. Like in Filipino national language, we have a compound word which can or may act as an idiomatic expression aka idiom aka saying which is *"laksa-laksa"* or *"laksâ-laksâ"* which literally means "ten thousand-ten thousand", "ten thousand of ten thousand", "ten thousands of ten thousands" or "ten thousand times ten thousand", but it can or may just also mean "many, a lot, too many, too much, myriad, multitude, numerous, several, multiple, varied or diverse" of something and not exactly the number that it literally means. Aslo, there are: *libo-libo / líbo-líbo* = literally: thousand-thousand, a thousand of thousand, a thousand of thousands, thousands of thousands, one thousand times one thousand = can or may also just mean: a number or quantity that's "many, a lot, too many, too much, myriad, multitude, numerous, several, multiple, varied or diverse" but less than "laksa-laksa/laksâ-laksâ" *milyon-milyon / milyón-milyón* = literally: million-million, a million of million, a million of millions, millions of millions, one million times one million = can or may also just mean: a a number or quantity that's "many, a lot, too many, too much, myriad, multitude, numerous, several, multiple, varied or diverse" but more than "laksa-laksa/laksâ-laksâ"
One thing that i believe is that maybe many harmonic convergences have happened but the avatars never knew because the portals were closed and that the avatar cycle has been going on for more than 10,000 years and maybe 50k years or another number .
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years. Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan. Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
Taking the average of the shortest and longest lives we know sets us up with bad data. It's likely most avatars died before 100. For example, Roku died at age 70. Part of the reason he died was that Sozin didn't help him. But, if Sozin had never shown up at all, Roku would have still died. It's possible many avatars died well before 100 due to extreme circumstances, as avatars were the ones who were supposed to deal with these circumstances.
I have done some research and on the avatar wiki and the fanon legacy of rohan there are these avatars before yangchen but it adds strange content such as baatar the 3rd looks like chin the conquer and rohan the avatar after korra looks like mai's 2nd boyfriend ke lo
A theory I came up with to reconcile "1000 avatars" AND "10,000 years between harmonic convergences" is that there was more than one harmonic convergence between Won's battle with Vaatu, and Korra's. I calculate either 6 or 7 harmonic convergences (60,000-70,000 years) between Won & Korra. Meaning Vaatu was actually "undisturbed" in his Tree of Time prison for 6 or 7 harmonic convergences (that mustve been frustrating lol)
Yeah, no… that’s too long. That would mean extremely long stagnation of technology within the world. Our own modern human history is around 50,000 years. With the last 3,000 years being a huge leap for humankind. So 10,000 years is a pretty good compromise.
The story of Wan wasn’t 10.000 years ago. Because in the Legend Of Korra they say if the 2 spirit portals are closed there won’t be a fight between Ravaa And Vatu. So probaly there is probaly more time beteween Wan and Korra
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years. Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan. Desna straight up says: Father, haven’t the spirits had 10,000 years to open this portal.” Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
@@AntoineBandele I swear I literally like copy and pasted all the words in a the reply button you wrote THE EXACT SAME WIRDABWORD TO WORD REPLY FOR MONE
Theory: Since aang was in a iceberg for 100 years then there would be another avatar born, and I always thought if kyoshi lived for 300 plus years would she meet her next life?
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years. Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan. Desna straight up says: Father, haven’t the spirits had 10,000 years to open this portal.” Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
If you remember the way Avatar Wu left the world it shouldn't be surprised many of his successors died young. Wouldn't be impossible some died before adulthood.
Korra told Vaatu she was going to lock him up for another 10,000 years, implying that he had been locked up for 10,000 years by Wan before Harmonic Convergence in 171AG. And since Wan was the first avatar approximately 10,000 have passed since the first avatar.
Every generation had to have an Avatar and the first Avatar lived almost 10000 years ago so there had to be roughly 9000 Avatars. Some of them probably died of diseases, some were probably killed and others succeeded and outlived the others.
saw the title. did the math. i have not watched this video so idk if it was pointed out or not but that would mean avatars on average lived to the age of 16
If you look closely in the thumbnail, you can see that there's seems to be wrong in the cycle in the background. There may also be a twin waterbender avatar next to the air one. 🤔
Have you ever counted the timing of the avatars eyes lighting up. In the southern air temple, there was a scene where all the statues had their eyes light up one by one. Could you time how long it takes for one to light up and divide the time of the entire sequence by that. This would also be a good estimate to how many avatars there were.
@@loganmix1517 you only need to time how long it takes one to light up and then divide the total time by that. That would take less than 30 minutes for someone who is committed which I am not
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years. Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan. Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
If the number of statues in the air temple is correct, or close, than including Korra, there would have been 183 avatars in the series, because the 3rd, 7th, 11th, and so on, avatars were the Water Avatars and that puts Korra as the 183rd avatar in 10,000 years.
I always figured Kyoshi used advanced earthbending techniques to help her stay young for so many years by using the minerals in our own bodies or EARTH to restore her skin, bones, and muscles to young/peak physical health
Imagine being Kyoshi and having Kuruk as ur main guide. Probably felt like she had to do everything herself 😂
@@atomicboyheroi he won't be totally alone in the cycle so I think he'll cope
oh hey kyoshi yeah yeah do whatever feels right but hows your surfing coming along
We actually will see how that pans out on the next Kyoshi book.
Avtar gengi is the next avatar, its a fan made thing but it still fits in
After she learned to connect to avatars besides Kuruk, she would probably just talk to Yangchen
KYOSHI WAS 7 FT TALL SHE WAS PLAYING FOR THE WRONG WARRIORS
underrated comment right here
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
No she wasn’t
K she was still tall tho
exactly .specially the warriors need a center rn
All jokes aside though, those are a lot of avatars
Lmao at this point I’ll be shocked if I look in a comment section under any video and don’t see you. You’re EVERYWHERE
which makes me even more sad that they r all gone in Korra😟
please, why are you everywhere
@@nomfundomdluli1544 Gone spiritual yes, but the world they saved or played a part in changing is still their. their efforts and victories are still their. a prequel show with each season looking at a new avatar life would be cool.
At this point ppl are just liking your comments bc your you
10,000 years is meant to be a metaphor for a really long time , like how Wan Shi Tong’s name “He Who Knows 10,000 Things” doesn’t really mean he knows 10,000 things but instead a lot of things. The number 10,000 is also used in Asian culture as a metaphor for a lot.
I’ve said this a lot but most people would rather take everything literally, when it’s convenient at least.
Ooo! Never knew that was a saying in Asian culture. That's pretty dope.
Actually i don't think it was meant to be a metaphor because in the series it did say 10,000 years literally no metaphor. Avatar wan did leave 10000 years prior to book 2 of korra so his approximation of the avatars is correct.
Thing is the whole convergence thing does date everything to about 10,000 a spirit stuck in a time tree would not get time wrong. and if the 180 statues are of all the avatars and no one lost or destroyed any of them then we would be dealing with 182 avatars in total as korra and Aang don't have statues in that temple.
OR maybe that 10000 years everyone said to be the period of the harmonic convergence IS a metaphor. the actual period might be a hundred thousand years or even longer, who knows?
180...1000 if they made a show for every avatar i would still watch them all
Me too
@@nikafocxveria4021 second that
Same but If they made a show for other avatars it would be for the ones that are most important ig this just my opinion
I really hope they will going to do that. 😱
Me too
If the average lifespan for an Avatar was 53 years of age (which seems about right), then good chance most of them were killed during battles or were assassinated.
Take into account the time period many of them lived theough. They did not have the medical knowledge we have in modern day. Dying in your fifties a thousand years ago was quite common as we lacked proper sanitation, medicine, and disease was rampant.
Joshey Dubs Damn that’s so true, I didn’t even think about that!
@Arigato Senpai Math isn't exactly the writers' forte. Azulon was born after Roku's death, for instance.
@@josheydubs being 50 was luckyyyy. It's was 25 that average
@@MrShadowThief what no he wasnt he was born in 0ag sozin dies in 20ag
When Roku said "1000 times in 1000 lifetimes" the show was still in the beginning phases and the creators were not originally planning on flushing out the past avatars
Kinda like how in Zuko alone the Fire Sage proclaimed that Fire Lord Azulon reigned for 23 years when all other media state that he reigned for 75 years because the creators had not yet planned out the Fire Lord lineage at that point in the show
Also when koh said kuruk tried to avenge his wife 900/800 years ago even though kuruk existed 500-400ag.
Exactly! Jesus it’s like people pick and choose what to remember about the show. It’s not perfect, and especially in the first season they hadn’t fleshed out the story or world building.
No it’s not even that. When Roku said that he was exaggerating. 10,000 years is a saying in Asia for a long time
Also the only avatar the creators were going to give a backstory to was Roku but then Kyoshi got popular which is why they dedicated an episode to her and one of the fans at comicon asked about the air nomad avatar before Aang so by the time book 2 was coming to an end the writers decided to give backstory to the other past avatars (hence their inclusion in Escape from the Spirit World)
Ansdif yeah about that.. it is confirmed that in the spirit world time passes differently than in the human world so that it is another explanation for koh’s words
Patrick Star: *looks around for a moment* TEN
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Why not just count them! Juan, tu, tharee...
Tour
Eats Toostie Pop.
Three.
But what about Kur--
THREE.
Wan*
Aang...done!
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The only named Avatars so far were Aang, Roku, Kyoshi, Kuruk, Yangchen, Korra, Wan, Salai and Szeto.
Who was Avatar Salai? Never heard of him/her...
@@nastiavolynska Earth Kingdom based avatar before Szeto (Avatar Jafar)
@@Myk95 Thanks :-D
yh
@@nastiavolynska the Avatar before him, so the Avatar before Salai was Imiq (female water-bender).
Let's not forget that Aang was in an iceberg for 100 years
That would drop the average lifespan average. Head canon: Many early Avatars died in war outside of the Avatar State (mostly assassinations).
@@AntoineBandele or perhaps its normally 10 thousand years between convergences
and this one is a few hundred years later then normal
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years.
Antoine Bandele so ur telling me that many avatars were assassinated young and never during those assassinations that certain avatar never went into the avatar state and stopped it?
@@evanb.7580 I mean think about it. Red Lotus tried to kidnap Korra when she was very young. So it is possible some other avatars were also kidnapped and killed when they were very young. Maybe.. 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed. I don’t think we should take the majority of Book 1 as absolute lore, since the statue of the Earth born Avatar before Roku, is distinctly a short man
That’s Avatar Salai, or possibly false Avatar Yun, since it took 9 years before Kyoshi was proven to be the Avatar after Yun was selected at age 7.
I think there's at least 8.
Nahh think there is 3 avatars
nah i think the was 0 avatars
@ naaaahhhh I think there is 0.1 avatars
No more have you not saw a lot avatars when aang learned about avatar state
@@junior_583 I was joking lmao
Going off of your ~180 estimate, that would probably make Aang the 182nd and Korra the 183rd Avatars, since Wan was a fire Avatar.
If 181 statues, Wan 1st, Szeto 177th, Yangchen 178th, Kuruk 179th, Kyoshi 180th, Roku 181st. Then Aang 182nd, and Korra 183rd.
The remainder when divided by 4 determines which element: remainder 0 = Earth, remainder 1 = Fire, remainder 2 = Air, remainder 3 = Water. The last statue-avatar (edit: in the room at 1:56) was Roku, so the exact number of statues must have remainder 1 when divided by 4, the closest being 181.
i thought it was confirmed there were 183 avatars
@@AlexKnauth the last statue avatar was aang
@@hakz_0 At 1:56 the room of statues Antoine is referring to is in the Southern Air Temple at the time of Book 1 Ep 3. There wasn't a statue of Aang yet, so Roku was the last one there. In a later scene in Legend of Korra there's a statue of Aang though
@@AlexKnauth ok, your point?
Here i was thinking it would be more than a thousand avatars
Lol me too
I do know in Chinese culture which as most know avatar is heavily based on numbers like 1,000 and 10,000 were mostly used non literally to describe the immense scale of something or to give more importance to something perhaps not actually on that scale so if an emperor had an army of 400 men it would be called the army of 1,000 men or an army of 5,000 men it would be the army of 10,000 men. This is also used with Wan Shi Tong as his name means "he who knows 10,000 things" as a spirit of knowledge its likely he knows much more than 10,000 but 10,000 is used as a number to say something is immeasurable. Its possible Roku could have been doing either one, either putting a hyperbolic flair on his words, or pointing out to jeong jeong how he cant even fathom how many times he has mastered the elements.
My guy in avatar they have been able to differentiate between a very long time and giving actual measurements of something. Not everything has to be Asian centric, even the accents of the voice actors who are American based. This show was publicly portrayed mainly to an American audience with little understanding of these concepts. The creators wouldn’t go as far as to confuse the fans without ever clarifying what they actually meant for over these years.
@@ElementMucho So are you saying you think there have actually been 1,000+ avatars? And what about Wan shi Tong? Is the spirit of knowledge's title "He who knows 1,000 things" accurate making him no smarter than the average person? The creators of avatar are huge east Asia Nerds. They took basic martial arts classes to make sure the fight choreography was grounded in reality if you took the bending away. So yeah I think they used a common Chinese hyperbole technique in early season one.
Has anyone counted the avatars when aang/korra go into the avatar state and see all of them lined up?
Was the 180 statues in the temple actually counted or is it kind of a guess based on the size of the temple?
Approximation.
@@AntoineBandele I mean, the seemed like that temple was way bigger and taller, maybe some villains for the past avatars killed them earlier before they maybe got to the age of 35-40, and maybe some were massacred-
the whole Wan story and the harmonic convergence thing kinda messed some stuff up to be honest-
624 avatars including korra
@@thewinner6815 Not really, if the first avatar really existed 10000 years ago, then it's possible that we have at least 150 - 200 avatars, like 15 or 20 avatars per 1000 years, with lifespan of atleast 50-70 or even 100+ and it'll be sad if some avatars didn't even manage to reach 25 years or age due to illness or killed at young age or maybe an accident during a training. That's why I don't think Wan's story messed something, the years made sense.
@@KillberZomL4D42494Exactly WAN’s story helped create deeper lore and made the Origin of the Avatar World expand greatly. Imagine in the Future each of the 180 Avatars getting their own individual series down by Avatar Studios over the next 2 decades! Now that would be some amazing content for the next generation.
7ft tall woman-avatar. If I was the reaper I'd be scared too.
idk what name Roku is actually taller than her and he’s 6 foot 8
1k avatars in 10k years would mean every avatar dies on a avrige age of 10 lmao
Oof
Give me a encyclopedia detailing the 180 avatars creators please lol 🙏🏾
On avatar wiki, They do discuss the some of the avatars ( 12 avatars) that came before szeto. However it is non canon.
who else wants a book about every avatar and each one gets a 1-4 pages depending on their importance like a databook each one gets a short biography
Creating nearly 200 interesting avatars would probably be difficult
THIS
I don’t even need that I just want a name picture years lived and 2 sentences.
Like a Pokédex in Pokémon there should be an Avadex for Avatar!
Around 180 i would agree is a good round number to be able to fit into the whole harmonic convergence and still give the avatars all a fair age as well. but very likely some died very young, some might have been stuck in ice like aang was or others lived very long life like Kyoshi.
I’ve always made a story in my head that at one point in the Avatar history there was a time when leaders of nations would reward people who would hunt down Avatars. Like every 10-20 years whenever someone found out that a certain person is the Avatar, people would be hunting him/her down to death because they were seen as a shenanigan or big threat to the world instead of seeing the Avatar as a positive figure. Remember the episode in ATLA called The Avatar Day? We saw how people hated Kyoshi and her Avatar successors. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were civilizations who were terrified of the Avatar.
From Wan to Korra there has been 183 avatars, Korra is the 183rd. We know this by counting the total number of avatar statues in the southern air temple (which has been shown twice) & also by calculating the element cycles of the avatar because they go in order.
Wan which was the 1st avatar, learned the elements in the order of fire, air, water then earth & that is also the order in which the avatars come. Korra was a water based avatar, Aang before her was an air based avatar. Before Aang there was a fire based, before him there was an earth based & so on.
So after Korea there will be an earth based avatar which would complete the 46th cycle of 4 avatars in a cycle.(46 times 4= 184) Starting with Wan who was a fire based avatar.
180 makes sense. If it were 1,000 I would seriously question how no Avatars died in the Avatar State, thus ending the cycle.
Simple. Avatar state is basically so overpowered no one could actually do it without using lighting, and lighting benders were rare + most avatars were more educated in it's dangers than Aang was.
Ozne Rocha but not all Avatar’s had immediate control, that takes practice. We’ve seen how many times Aang entered the Avatar state with no control over it. All it takes is a well placed attack. 1,000 Avatars makes it less and less likely that they all avoided death in the Avatar state for that long. Not completely impossible of course, just the odds are low.
@@Oznerock a full powered avatar yes, but a young one a skilled team or bender i would say could maybe kill the avatar and since we can assume most avatars where not idiots and did care about the future turned off avatar state before they died or never used in fatal battles. or raava turned it off.
This relies on the air temple to be old enough to have a statue for every avatar. It's likely a lot of the avatars could've been lost in history and not gotten a statue in the air temple since the air temple probably isn't 10,000 years old.
There's a chance harmonic convergence isn't literally 10,000 years. If you want the full explanation as to why, there are dozens of other comments that explain why.
Another possibility is the harmonic convergence in LOK wasn't the next one after Wan. Tenzin seemed to know all about harmonic convergence but had never heard of Wan, indicating a possibility that harmonic convergence had happened in between since Wan seemed to be lost in history but not harmonic convergence. With the portals closed Vatu couldn't escape even if this is true.
Yeap, I was thinking the same thing, with vatu locked away there would be no battle and harmonic convergence would pass without much ruckus.
I hope we get a new series than just a live action remake with the avatar after Korra and see the first avatar without its past lives
Tbh I think it can be possible to restore the link, and, following the trend of avatars fixing their past lives' mistakes, it would be nice to see Korra's successor doing that. Still, what I'd be excited about the most regarding a sequel to TLOK is seeing how the world of Avatar would be in our era.
Malpighia emarginata yeah I was going to say that I just wanted a shorter comment it would actually be a good retcon that I think nobody would be angry about
@@johnpauldriskill8737 Would it even be a retcon?
Korea what be the past life
@@MrShadowThief In our era of the Avatar World there will be space travel. We saw in Legend of Korra that the planets aligned. So I see a future Avatar traveling from planet to planet and opening a spirit portal so that they become the Bridge between Worlds in the Material World no longer separating the Spiritual world. This way Spirits won’t overpopulate Earth with the Spirit Wilds like in the time of Wan. This also means that the era where there were no more lands to conquer would end & humans especially Firebenders (Element of Power) would seek new Worlds to explore & conquer. If there are 9 Planets eventually I see there being 9 Realms the Avatar will govern over similar to the 9 Realms of Asgard.
Short answer: Google
Long answer: This video (The video is more accurate)
LMAO
I thought it was around least 300 avatars
Just something to put out there- just because there are 180 statues in the air temple sanctuary doesn’t mean there were just that many avatars. There could have been more that weren’t recorded in history
If avatar wan didn't seperate Rava and Vatu, all of these wouldn't have happened...
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@@tearet741Exactly, Wan in a way orchestrated everything so he’d become the center of attention in the world. We see that before he steals the Fire from the Lion Turtle that he sought after Power & that never ended! He wanted to be an Authority figure in the World & also didn’t like being seen as a normal human. He looked down on humanity!
The best answer would be 179 or 183 because there is 4 avatars in each avatar cycle and since Roku, Aang, and Korra’s cycle is not done those would be good answers
So when Aang visited the Southern aire Temple, there were 180 statues in place. Considering Wan was the 1st and Aang was the 181st Avatar and Korra being the 182nd, also knowing that Roku, Kyoshi, Kuruk, Yangchen, Szeto and Salai were past Avatars. In conclusion, we know
9 avatars from Wan to Korra, then there's approximately 173 Avatars we don't know of.
Then a lot of Avatars died younger than the age of 50.
I watched in other RUclips channel related to the Legend of Aang and Korra (can't remember what channel it was) it says there that.. "there might be an avatar who died young like a scenario what if Aang didn't leave the southern air temple and the fire nation killed him or a scenario like what if Zaheer successfully kidnap young Korra." There might be an avatar who didn't reach their prime and got killed during their training.
So yeah, they could live a thousand lifetime but some of them haven't written on the book.
1, 2, 3, 4!
How many avis are in my store?
Oh nooooo my cabbages!
And all their fighting styles and unique technices got erased in the the lengend of Korra, what a happy ending ...right?
Lie
@@nikkinaturalfan9252 Korra is a boxing style avatar. Every other avatar before her used real fighting styles that go with their element.
Icyy Cold ok and?
Icyy Cold she literally used to be a pro bender. She does a mixture of both bending styles
@@icyycold1094 Lol except Kuruk. Although, all the other avatars still exist, as shown by the avatar state(which is when all previous lives pass on their skills at once), even after she supposedly lost her connection with them.
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183 avatars.Simple
The first video that got me hooked on this amazing channel
There was 10000 years of avatars from what we know
If each live to around 100 years there would be 100. Idk
I feel like there would be more though
My math is flawed lmfao it makes no sense
@@pablocesarsoriano3853 Korra messed up a lot of previously well-established rules and threw it out the window. I really wouldn't consider TLOK anymore as it breaks it's own established rules. That Wan story screwed up so much.
Eggsn Bakon nah it didn’t
In Asian culture 10,000 is used as a metaphor, its not meant to be taken literally. Like Wan She Tong “he who knows 10,000 things” he doesn’t know 10,000 things it’s just a metaphor
What if Korra's harmonic convergence wasn't the first one since wan
This right here. With vatu locked away, it would simply pass and the world would move on. 🤷♀️
What about the detail of Koh the face stealer telling Aang that one of his previous incarnations tried to slay him 800 or 900 years ago (The Siege of the north part 2)? Does that help with figuring out how many avatars there is?
no
Before Korra: there was a hundred Avatar
After Korra: just me
better question is, how many avatars killed themselves or someone else.
Kyoshi (to the second question) : yes
The youngest avatar that died was at 16 being avatar zen, wayyyy to young
There is no canon Avatar named Avatar Zen.
I picked up this inconsistency in Roku's statement while watching ATLA again. I was lazy though and just applied the actual human lifespan of 79 years to avatars. This in 10,000 years of harmonic convergence gives us roughly 126 lifetimes. I didn't think to actually count the water temple statues lol.
It's definitely in the 100-200 range. That's where all the averages lead us.
Humans lifespans haven't been that high for much of humanity; considering that almost all of avatar is pre-modern, *and* Avatars would have been highly targetted individuals, their average lifespan would have been shorter. 55 years (10000/180) is reasonable.
I think there had to be way more. Idr anything about hermonic convergence or the start of the avatar cycle, but the avatar world exists in its own universe, and has its own laws that govern how it works, so its probably not something we can really figure out
I thought there were OVER 9000!!!!
(Sorry, I don't know nothing about Avatar).
If u r interested in knowing everything Avatar(ONLY if u r interested)
I suggest u watch
Avatar The Last Airbender
(All 3 seasons on Netflix)
Then purchase the comics to know what happens after the show ended :
The Promise
The Search
The Rift
Smoke and Shadow
North and South
Imbalance
(U r to read them exactly in that order to understand the story, also each comic is divided into different parts)
When you're done reading them all
U can move on to the sequel of the series. It is called The Legend of Korra.
A series surrounding the lifetime and adventures of Korra,Aang's next life/successor/the next Avatar.
(U can watch all four seasons on either Prime Video or Apple Tv or u can buy them on RUclips)
When you're done watching u move on to the comics
Turf Wars
Ruins of the Empire
(These also have to be read in order to understand. They're divided into parts too. Lastly the comic run ain't done yet. There'll be more sequels for the comics in the future)
And that about ends the canon Avatar Universe.
However if u happen to become a die-hard Avatar fan and still hungry for more there's a team creating a fan Avatar project about the Avatar after Korra.
@thelegendofgenji
That's the channel
Enjoy!!
so.. you know everything about Avatar? :D
@@joshua2764 Wow, I see there's a entire Universe of Avatar.
I'll see if I can watch it.
@@Alarcj7 yup
@@Daesma999 👍🏿
It would be cool if the creators of the Avatar expanded to the past showing interesting stories about the Past Avatars (before Yangchen) in their each era like Assassin's Creed or Star Wars Legends like Avatar Szeto, Avatar Salai, Avatar Gun, and any other Past Avatars. That would be very cool
I didn't really care about how many there were, as that WAS shrouded in mystery. Now, idc
181. Roku
182. Aang
183. Korra
184. Genji (TBD)
I think 53 is fairly accurate. Can we also take into account that while Avatar Wan started the Avatar cycle, Wan wasn't born a bender or an Avatar. His whole life shouldn't be considered. When people build timelines of the show, they usually miscalculate. Also spiritual projection is not an airbending move.
okay I agree with the first part but spiritual projection is an airbending move but you have to be deeply spiritual only jinora(I think that's how you spell it) has ever been know to do it
Lmao spiritual projection is an Airbender ability. Jinora literally said “it’s a high level Airbender technique with some spiritual stuff thrown in” she got her tattoos because of that. You either master 36 trials or 35 plus create or discover a new technique. Specifically and Airbender technique. Now projecting your spirit into the spirit world, everyone can do that. But projecting your spirit into the physical world, being able to communicate, and have people see you, is an Airbender technique
Most avatars didn't seem aware of Harmonic Convergence, which is why Korra had to connect to Wan in the first place. It makes sense he would think the Avatar has just existed since time immemorial.
True.
Averages are skewed by outliars so you should look for the median number of years each avatar lives.
We don’t know Wan or Korra or Szeto age
Many, if not most of the early avatars prior to Kyoshi were most likely forgotten about and many of the early avatars died extremely young. Likely before they were old enough to learn all the elements.
Tbh I wouldn't trust the creators too much when it comes to maths. They messed up on the calculation for kyoshi's age initially before keeping it.. Also in atla, koh said that the avatar 'tried to slay him 800-900 years ago'. Clearly kuruk wasn't around this time ago soo
To be fair it is no surprise the avatar tried to kill Koh several times thought out their lives.
Yeah... I’m sure Koh was a problem prior to Kuruk. In fact, Koh likely targeted Kuruk’s wife because of some past conflict.
@@AntoineBandele With a name like Koh the face stealer, i am sure at least a few Avatars who were more of the go fighting all injustice and evil types would have gone after spirits like Koh.
This is why we need more prequels for this universe so many tales that could be told with many new main characters.
@@AntoineBandele No Koh definitely meant in that scene Kuruk. Because in the next scene in which Aang asks him why his past life tried to kill him, he answers that he (Aangs past life) wanted to save his wife and at the same time he showed the face of Ummi, Kuruks wife.
@@AntoineBandele aang: " why did i try to kill you?"
Koh: "it was something about stealing the face of somewone you loved"
That confirms it was kuruk he was talking about
You also have to remember that in the beginning people probably didn't know that the Avatar cycle was a thing yes there was a statue of wan but the air nomads probably didn't understand the avatar cycle or infact have a name for it etc mayhaps the early air nation was commemorating wan with the first statue and didn't realize that there was an actual cycle until a couple hundred years later, that's just my thoughts I love you videos!😁
How would it take a couple hundred years for air nomads to know about the avatar?
@@josephlurry7998 sometimes it takes a while to recognize a cycle I'm just speculating though😂
180 x 4 elements =720 times the avatar would have mastered an element. I think it’s actually what roku was talking about. When he said I have mastered the elements 1000’s of Times. 720 isn’t a 1000 but it could also explain/help retcon
We did not ask you to do your "math assignment"
@@avatarwan303 nice insult
Well like 250 times 4
I always assumed Harmonic convergence happened before in-between Wan and Korra's era but since the portals were closed it was just a casual Tuesday.
in some cultures 10,000 means infinity, maybe there’s actually thousands of avatars and the 10,000 years is just a metaphor
My guy in avatar they have been able to differentiate between a very long time and giving actual measurements of something. Not everything has to be Asian centric, even the accents of the voice actors who are American based. This show was publicly portrayed mainly to an American audience with little understanding of these concepts. The creators wouldn’t go as far as to confuse the fans without ever clarifying what they actually meant for over these years.
Korra is technically just the restart of the 10.000 years
I don't think its ever said, that the imprisonment of vaatu and the harmonic conversion were Korra fought were 10000 years apart. Only that harmonic conversion is every 10000 years. An it would only happen, when the portals are opened. What if one or a few more harmonic conversions would have happened because of time but couldn't because the portals were closed. That would make more that a 10000 years time span so the could fit in more avatars. Also it doesn't have to be that there is a statue for every avatar. Maybe the 800 ish avatar did a great deed to the air nomads so they build a statue of him and his every following life's.
So why is there a wan statue, maybe he had some chit chat with another avatar too so this one build this statue/had it build.
So Roku could have been right
I'd counter with the notion that with the level of technology we see in the Avatar universe from the point of Wan's death on that they'd have to have some of the worst technological stagnation in fiction of it was significantly more than 10,000 years, as we have it already the technological stagnation after 10,000 years is already really bad but anymore would be ridiculous.
I overall like your theory but I just had to point this out.
I don’t know if it’s explicitly stated in the show, but the Avatar Wiki seems pretty convinced that Wan was 10,000 years prior.
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years.
@@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375 yeah I thought about that too. Well it looked like they devolved back to tents not stuff after leaving the lion turtle cities but yeah it's still a long time. But then a gain the jump from ATLA to LOK was also huge so ...
@@AntoineBandele hm yeah good point. Maybe korra didn't know better or its really just meant to say for 10k minimum since the next harmonic convergence will be in 10k. But then again it could just be like you said since Wan literally means 10000 ...
Avatar Kyoshi: "fine, I'll do it myself."
10,000. But tbh, Wan’s story can be considered as obsolete lore because it had contradictions which didn’t align with lore established by ATLA. It retconned a lot of stuff.
Retconned what?
Andre Ransom To bring up one specific example, Wan’s story implied that the Avatar journey itself is redundant and a waste of time, if anyone was just able to acquire the power to bend an element from the lion turtles. Plus, in ATLA, the ability to bend the elements came as a gift from nature itself. Fire benders learned from the dragons, water benders from the moon and ocean, air benders from the sky bison, and the earth benders learned from the badger moles. Therefore, the entire lore of the first benders getting their ability from lion turtles doesn’t make any sense and out-right contradicts ATLA.
Yubi K ..The ability to master and control the elements came from the dragons and the badger moles..Even in ATLANTA lion turtle gave Aang the power of energy bending ..So that’s not really a contradiction...It actually expands on the role of lion turtles in the universe.
Yubi K. The lion turtles are basically a force of nature. The ability to control an element comes from the lion turtles, but they aren’t “bending” like we see in the series. In Wan’s time they used the power as a tool and nothing more. WAN was the first, as far as we know, to learn from one of the original benders, the dragons. They taught him how to actually bend, as an extension of his body rather than a tool. We see the other firebenders just throwing fire around with no technique, no form. And Wan was able to catch their flames and throw it back, it scared them. They more likely than not didn’t even know that was possible.
The original benders: the moon, badgermoles, dragons, and sky bison taught humans how to bend properly as an extension of your body and mind. The lion turtles merely gave humans the power to do it, and it spread as they made babies and crossed the planet.
It’s not a contradiction, people are using that word incorrectly in this instance. We know nothing about the history of the Avatar world, just a few hints here and there. Wan’s story is 10,000 whole years from ATLA so no one in universe remembers it. Same reason no one alive remembers the time of the Mayans, Ancient Egypt, etc. We only know about it from historians, and it’s actually only with the last 100-200 years that we explored enough to learn. And like us in the real world, people in ATLA made up their own legends and myths to fill in things they don’t know about, even if they do have some truths to them.
Rohit The Lion Turtle in TLA stated, “In the era before the Avatar, we bent NOT the elements, but the energy within ourselves.”
Since it was Roku, who said it, those people that said there were 1,000 avatars were double wrong, because there were 2 avatars after Roku, (Aang, Korra) they meant 1,002, and that’s even wrong
Another thing about the avatar statues at the southern air temple is that they were circling in to a finite center, almost like they knew the last avatar was soon...
I don't think they had planned Korra out while making Avatar. My guess is that the statues move out in a spiral from the center.
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*"I have mastered the elements a thousand times in a thousand lifetimes"*
As a native and natural-born Filipino from the Philippines and an Asian from Asia itself, when I first heard this line and even up until now, I took and still take it as an idiomatic expression aka an idiom aka a saying. I never took and still never take it seriously and literally, because that's how, for example us Filipinos and most other South, East and Southeast Asian cultures and people that I know of, express a number of things that is finite but is just too much or too many to count, identify and put into number, or a number that is too much or too many but the speaker or writer doesn't know the exact and accurate number nor even the precise number.
Like in Filipino national language, we have a compound word which can or may act as an idiomatic expression aka idiom aka saying which is *"laksa-laksa"* or *"laksâ-laksâ"* which literally means "ten thousand-ten thousand", "ten thousand of ten thousand", "ten thousands of ten thousands" or "ten thousand times ten thousand", but it can or may just also mean "many, a lot, too many, too much, myriad, multitude, numerous, several, multiple, varied or diverse" of something and not exactly the number that it literally means.
Aslo, there are:
*libo-libo / líbo-líbo*
= literally: thousand-thousand, a thousand of thousand, a thousand of thousands, thousands of thousands, one thousand times one thousand
= can or may also just mean: a number or quantity that's "many, a lot, too many, too much, myriad, multitude, numerous, several, multiple, varied or diverse" but less than "laksa-laksa/laksâ-laksâ"
*milyon-milyon / milyón-milyón*
= literally: million-million, a million of million, a million of millions, millions of millions, one million times one million
= can or may also just mean: a a number or quantity that's "many, a lot, too many, too much, myriad, multitude, numerous, several, multiple, varied or diverse" but more than "laksa-laksa/laksâ-laksâ"
Now the amount of avatars of the entire Avatar franchise from The Last Airbender to Legend of Korra the amount of avatars is officially 182.
Probably cause it sounds cooler that there are 1000 avatars
One thing that i believe is that maybe many harmonic convergences have happened but the avatars never knew because the portals were closed and that the avatar cycle has been going on for more than 10,000 years and maybe 50k years or another number .
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years.
Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan.
Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
Formula / Equation : 10,000 - 174 Ad = 9826 / 76 (which i think souhld be average) = 130 + 1
Taking the average of the shortest and longest lives we know sets us up with bad data. It's likely most avatars died before 100. For example, Roku died at age 70. Part of the reason he died was that Sozin didn't help him. But, if Sozin had never shown up at all, Roku would have still died. It's possible many avatars died well before 100 due to extreme circumstances, as avatars were the ones who were supposed to deal with these circumstances.
That's why it was not used as the final outcome of Avatar amount and age...
There were 180 statues, but there is also Aang and Korra, so around 182
I have done some research and on the avatar wiki and the fanon legacy of rohan there are these avatars before yangchen but it adds strange content such as baatar the 3rd looks like chin the conquer and rohan the avatar after korra looks like mai's 2nd boyfriend ke lo
If you were in the presence of sozin's comet or something like that you would live longer I read that somewhere!
180 is a good estimate
bruh every avatar just drops like flies
A theory I came up with to reconcile "1000 avatars" AND "10,000 years between harmonic convergences" is that there was more than one harmonic convergence between Won's battle with Vaatu, and Korra's. I calculate either 6 or 7 harmonic convergences (60,000-70,000 years) between Won & Korra. Meaning Vaatu was actually "undisturbed" in his Tree of Time prison for 6 or 7 harmonic convergences (that mustve been frustrating lol)
*Wan
They should have made it every 100,000 years or every 1 million years
Yeah, no… that’s too long. That would mean extremely long stagnation of technology within the world. Our own modern human history is around 50,000 years. With the last 3,000 years being a huge leap for humankind.
So 10,000 years is a pretty good compromise.
The story of Wan wasn’t 10.000 years ago. Because in the Legend Of Korra they say if the 2 spirit portals are closed there won’t be a fight between Ravaa And Vatu. So probaly there is probaly more time beteween Wan and Korra
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years.
Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan.
Desna straight up says: Father, haven’t the spirits had 10,000 years to open this portal.”
Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
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Theory: Since aang was in a iceberg for 100 years then there would be another avatar born, and I always thought if kyoshi lived for 300 plus years would she meet her next life?
No because aang is the avatar and he isn't dead so no
Aang is dead in legends of korra
No you said if aang was in the iceberg for 100 years there should be a new avatar
oh yeah
remember there could have been TWO harmonic convergence between wan and kora. not just one or possibly there could have been way more than just 2.
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years.
Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan.
Desna straight up says: Father, haven’t the spirits had 10,000 years to open this portal.”
Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
@@AntoineBandele oh ok
If you remember the way Avatar Wu left the world it shouldn't be surprised many of his successors died young.
Wouldn't be impossible some died before adulthood.
they never said it was 10,000 years ago when the first avatar was created they said the fight between raava and vaatu was every 10,000 years
Korra told Vaatu she was going to lock him up for another 10,000 years, implying that he had been locked up for 10,000 years by Wan before Harmonic Convergence in 171AG. And since Wan was the first avatar approximately 10,000 have passed since the first avatar.
Know that’s a lot of math my mind is blown wow. Bro I do not know how much math is that
Every generation had to have an Avatar and the first Avatar lived almost 10000 years ago so there had to be roughly 9000 Avatars. Some of them probably died of diseases, some were probably killed and others succeeded and outlived the others.
9000? Really? That means there would have to be a new avatar every 1.11 years
saw the title. did the math. i have not watched this video so idk if it was pointed out or not but that would mean avatars on average lived to the age of 16
Look at all those chickens
If you look closely in the thumbnail, you can see that there's seems to be wrong in the cycle in the background. There may also be a twin waterbender avatar next to the air one. 🤔
I agree. There is a repeating face.
Actually I believe that avatar roku was the 1000 th avatar and Aang was 1001
That’s a lot of back story to make so maybe the creators decided to end the cycle with korra and setting a new cycle from korra lol
Probs
In the temple there looked to be only 1 more space left. Its almost like they knew.
Have you ever counted the timing of the avatars eyes lighting up. In the southern air temple, there was a scene where all the statues had their eyes light up one by one. Could you time how long it takes for one to light up and divide the time of the entire sequence by that. This would also be a good estimate to how many avatars there were.
Ooooh yeah, well ima go spend 90 hours of my life counting gooey eyes
@@loganmix1517 you only need to time how long it takes one to light up and then divide the total time by that. That would take less than 30 minutes for someone who is committed which I am not
@@loganmix1517 pause your tv
Death was probaby too scared to take Kyoshi's life lmao
Maybe the harmonic convergence isn't fully canon with the original series. With details anyway.
Actually 182 including Aang and Korra
Hmm.. interesting
During the video he showed the statues so idk
Maybe the harmonic convergence happen in the time period of other Avatars apart from Korra🤷
Korra says to Vaatu, “I’m going to seal you for another 10,000 years.” Implying he’d only been trapped 10,000 years.
Also, when Vaatu and Raava see each other again it's clear their last encounter was with Wan.
Plus, if there were multiple Harmonic Convergences between Wan and Korra, that would mean Avatar has the most stagnated technology in any franchise.
POV:
You're Kyoshi and you saw Roku spare Sozin's life, and later dying to him
If the number of statues in the air temple is correct, or close, than including Korra, there would have been 183 avatars in the series, because the 3rd, 7th, 11th, and so on, avatars were the Water Avatars and that puts Korra as the 183rd avatar in 10,000 years.
*then
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I always figured Kyoshi used advanced earthbending techniques to help her stay young for so many years by using the minerals in our own bodies or EARTH to restore her skin, bones, and muscles to young/peak physical health
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