Bro, if you read the message at 3:30 … it’s quite clear that this ain’t a lawyer or an attorney. There are grammatical errors, inconsistencies-just gives the vibes of those scam calls from the “IRS” or “the police.” I love how the messager managed to miss the actual potential change (libel).
@@realNom2mooncow when learning to write a formal document in school and at my first job I was taught that using double spaces are important to make your message more readable and clear. (I’m typing this on the train so sorry it’s not written well)
Really good video. I appreciate how you're looking at things from multiple angles and giving a more in-depth summary rather than jumping to conclusions when so much is still unknown.
I think in this instance it's way more egregious than simply forgetting. Maybe the issue is it isn't called out enough? I do wonder how much anonymity of the internet has perpetuated this and these people in public wouldn't dare to share this opinion.
5 years difference doesnt make it moraly wrong.. 7 and up? Sure yeah. FFS Ive seen 14 year old girls date dudes who are 4 years their senior here in South Africa when they are in the same highschool? They way these videos talk it seems ppl have to be born mere seconds apart to date these days to make it "morally" acceptable. GTFO
@@FearfulEntertainment It's not just the age gap though, it also depends on the specific ages. So a 15 year old and a 20 year old is weird. The video doesn't at all imply what you said but I think you know that. I don't care how many 14 year olds date 18 year olds you have seen, that is incredibly weird.
As European I was absolutely disgusted by wedding of 48yo dude and 18yo (they even had a baby before she turned 18) and he married her few days after her 18th bday. She run from home because parents did not approve of their relationship AND she even left school. His comments when he was called p*do: “she told me she was older and for her age she was very mature.” Please hold my hair while I 🤢
The post being deleted can have several meanings: 1. The poster is being sued 2. They lied 3. They accomplished their goal of harming the target, hence the post isn't needed anymore It's fishy from start to finish, which is why I'm quite on the fence (yet again) when it comes to believing them. I mean...it would not be the first time someone throws dirt just to get back at someone. I just hope we actually get to figure out the truth eventually.
The reddit account replied to another youtuber and said they took it down because they accomplished their goals in ruining his reputation and didn't want to be involved with internet drama. So it's number 3
I mean if anyone believes this stuff They are dense as hell, 'Cuz the post was textbook Reddit BS. If they were serious about this They did a piss poor job.
he vanished from youtube about 4 years ago because he's been struggling with depression for years. These allegations sound like someone intended harm, knowing there wasn't going to be any fight back, and once their goal was achieved, deleted their post.
I can say as a European from England where boy in a band was born you would never find anyone publicly broadcasting that they're dating a 16 year old if they're 20 or older. Everyone morally looks down on people like that
even dating someone younger than you by just 2 years between the ages of 15-22 is looked at sceptically n nonce is thrown around a lot. nevermind a 6 year difference when you're 23.
Bro, I'm TOTALLY with you on European laws. It's still nasty for someone who's 20 years old to be dating a 16 year old or 15 year old. That's like- NO... Just no... 💀💀
a 4 year age gap...really isn't that big of a deal. those same laws that the OP waves away, are also the same laws that define what a "LITERAL CHILD" is or isn't. It's weird to say that you're a literal child at 17 years 364 days old, and now you're NOT a LITERAL CHILD a day later. the cultural imperialism of flexing the united states as the superior culture is kinda.... wild. (especially when many states have laws to protect those same relationships here as well.)
@@ExarchGaming turning 18 only makes you an adult LEGALLY, that does NOT mean you're on the same level as someone in their 20s. I still consider 18 year olds children.
@@ExarchGamingyes it is, when it comes to someone that young. Children, teens, and young adults grow up very quickly. There is a huge difference between a 12 year old and a 16 year old. Now compare that to a 32 year old and a 36 year old, their maturity levels are more similar. You can’t just say “it’s a very short age gap” without taking this into consideration.
@@anaionescu8913 Sure, but when people say "L:ITERAL CHILDREN" they're referring almost exclusively to anyone more than a day away from turning 18. That's my only point. It's as arbitrary of a thing as what he feels the responses or criticism he got were. Our brains aren't even fully developed until we're like 25. Why the state decided 18 was the magical number is beyond me, or anyone else that thinks way too far in to it.
I'm about to turn 19 and my youngest friend is 15 (he's like my little brother) and my oldest friend is 25... Lol. People saying stuff like this is always strange to me because maturity varies from individual to individual. I try to respect everybody, even my 10 year old nephew gets treated like my equal when he's with me as long as he's respectful. 18 year olds aren't 'babies.'
@@CinnamonCaramelStick I’m sure the use of the word “babies” is just an exaggeration, you can regard someone as immature and still be respectful of them. I would argue not viewing them as sexual beings is the most respectful you can be. If 1 in 100 15year olds aren’t mature enough to consent to sex, then we shouldn’t have sexual interaction with ANY of them, even if the 99 are. It’s to protect those that aren’t ready yet, this is why those laws exist. Anyone who says “depends on the individual” is usually just trying to justify their attraction to young people. I’ll keep viewing 16-17 year olds as “babies” to protect them.
@@CinnamonCaramelStick I think the comment isn't calling 18 year olds babies in regards to general maturity per se, but regarding a sexual/romantic lens. They're not saying 18 year olds are dumb or that they don't have anything of value to say due to immaturity or that they're less. It's not about that. What people are pointing out is that when you are in your twenties most people will see 18 year olds as "babies" in the sense that you can't really consider them in a sexual/romantic light due to them being and looking so young in your eyes. Give it a couple of years and I think you will think the same.
@@vichentez I mean, I can't say much, because I got exposed to sex against my will at 8 years old by a 9 year old relative and I don't know where he learned it from 🤷♀️ I've always been sexually aware and knew more about sex than any of my peers and most adults I know. But I think I remember when I was 16 I was ready to find a man and have children and when I turned 17 I was glad I didn't. I definitely think 17 year olds can grasp the concept of consent and consent, and that maybe even some mature 16 year olds can, but I usually draw the line at 17. I started dating my boyfriend when he was 20 and I was 17. He didn't know my age at first and vice versa and I was always more mature than him and the controlling one in the relationship 🤷♀️ Since I had my consent taken from me as a child numerous times I should know better than anyone that my boyfriend isn't grooming me. Maybe we should be more concerned about other children being predatory to children like what happened to me and where they're learning this from. My worst SA experience was actually with someone 3 years younger than me but stronger than me (when I was 15 no less, yes, I was SA'd by a 12 year old) and that's like... Societally unpresented and I wish there was even a niche community to talk about it but I've found nothing. All I can do is try to not raise my kids to be creepy as fuck and to not expose them to anything. Not defending BoyInABand, I do agree that that age gap is way too big, but 18 vs 22 isn't a big age gap and should be normalized again. I'm sexually active with my boyfriend. There's nothing weird or gross about it. Wish someone would take notice of how these kids are growing up too fast in my generation in a more scary way than anyone seems to have realized yet.
I'm sure you get this a lot, but it deserves to be said again: your objectivity is really appreciated, I'm really happy to find another youtuber that does this kind of content, it also helps that you have a very enjoyable personality. You're doing good work.
Yeah I hope he'll do a vid on Exurbia as well. There're a lot of evidences but I still wish to know more about it in a clearer manner. Plus it deserves to be known.
"objectivity" when he's specifically framing the narrative to suit his bias, and overlooks simple facts like the age of consent in a majority of US states is 16 (and claiming the US is doing something right based on his assumption that it was 18 ). There's nothing objective here.
Objectivity is when you parade out a bunch of unknowns that make a person look like a monster then you shrug your shoulders and go "But we don't really know!"
@@arvinrunstein5707 Bro he literally talked about how most the shit against him had no evidence. And that the only real concrete thing we know is that he was in a relationship with a child as an adult. I don't know or care if the rest is real or not. Hes a piece of shit for being in a relationship with a child as an adult.
the thing is, age of consent in my country, poland, is 15 but it means that ONLY people under 18 can engage in sexual activities with OTHER people that are under 18 but above 15, legally (and morally) speaking, you need to be 18 in order to be able to consent to sexual activites with another +18 person
That has always sounded like a more plausible interpretation of the law. I've been trying to figure out whether the same applies to my country of if age of consent is just age of consent, period.
It is not the same in all of Europe. For example in Finland the age of consent is 16, anyone under it are allowed to have sex together and anyone reaching the age of 16 is basically considered as an "adult". Only the people in position of power like teachers, coaches etc. aren't allowed to be together with teens under 18yo. Usually just the social pressure keeps people away from each other, if their age gap is considered to be too large.
@@Hannah-Hi it literally means that here. It is completely legal to sleep with a 50yo once you have turned 16 and have therefore reached the age of consent. It doesn't apply everywhere, but for example here in Finland, it does.
Lets rag on him for being a douche canoe to partners and friends. But dont do false crap to try and get clout. That's my take. Either way hes been offline for years so this does Nothing
what makes this even fishier is the post has since been deleted so more then likely it was a smear campaign against someone who can't defend themselves
Yeah I think that's the weirdest part is to post about it now since he's like never around anymore. I get someone can always cause harm but what were they hoping to accomplish? Get him in prison? Because good luck with that you'll be damned to find any good evidence. Be exiled from a community? He's already on the fringes of that community since he's not always around. I can imagine taking a long time to come to terms with what happened I just always think of what you hope to achieve
the fact they deleted their post just SCREAMS they lied or something fishy was going on, also the fact they chose to now step forward when no one has heard from Dave online in years and seems to know he's not online to defend himself seems even more fishy to me
Bro being 25 now, anyone under 21 is a child to me. And I’d never date anyone under 23. Over two years is just too big an age gap for me. I can’t imagine how anyone would defend dating a 16 year old
bro RIGHT??! "bububut 🥺 its technically legal" im 22 and shrivel up at the thought of dating a 18/19 y/o and it would be perfectly legal where i live 😭 how in the world do ppl find ways to justify dating actual CHILDREN
@@shizenkv They're not actual CHILDREN if they're 18-19, you're 22 ffs, you need to stop acting like you're in any shape of form more mature than a 19 year old because from the way you type, you're no different than most "CHILDREN".
When I was 13 and I started having relationships my parents didn't care for the ages I was dealing with. There was never less than a 5 year gap with who I was dating. A 30 year old even started dating me as I turned 16. Is it legal here? Yes... At least after 16 it is legal. But I still feel now that I'm older that the adults in my life have failed me. I really believe they should have seen that an age gap that big is a huge red flag and I wish they protected me. It would save me from a lot of mental shit im dealing with today..
im in the same exact boat as you actually. i really want to blame it on like "oh theyre older and more traditional, it was more normalized in their day" which is true, to an extent but i still feel like if i was a parent that would be a massive red flag.
Where u live?! It's not legal... It's legal for ages between 14-18 ... It's not legal for a 30 year old and under 18.. understand the laws ,dude And yeah I'm from Europe. You're beeing manipulated into thinking it is legal
@@Hannah-Hi It is legal in lots of places... 16 usually being "old" enough.. But even in the places its legal the fact he boasted about it on a track, tells me theres something a bit off with him because EVERY adult i know would be finished with him. They know its looked down upon.. Maybe he got his kicks from "hiding in plain sight".
Thank you for making this video update! I did see that the letter was gone and iNabber also thought perhaps the person was being sued, which you mentioned, it's just so weird. Wonder if we'll ever find out what happened?
Actually, thinking about it what if dave has ZERO idea this is happening with his mental health the way it is its not unreasonable to think is parents didn't tell him and If he's on a blanket socials hiatus with his typical behaviour being to isolate himself it's not completly unreasonable in this situation that dave hasn't broken his silence because he doesn't even know there's anything to speak on Good chance it's not the case but it is an option
No, he’s still friends with a lot of active RUclipsrs and social media influencers. I can guarantee they’ve told him by now. He knows exactly what’s going on.
@@Catglittercrafts Not necessarily true, This drama is rather small for RUclips drama, So it's not likely it'd follow him into his real life yet. Most likely he knows little to nothing about it.
06:00 bro, the "American thinking" is not the fact that you believe that age gap may be troublesome, it's the fact that you believe it should be a universal truth because it's just what Americans believe. Europe is (thankfully) not the USA. For starters, in more than half of the american states, the age of consent is also 16, so legally the US isn't even that different in this regard. Now think about this: a 17yo is a minor and still in high school, and a 19yo is an adult maybe at university or already working full time. I suppose, with your logic, the 19yo can't "gain consent" from the 17yo child despite they being almost the same age and equally mentally developed, just because one is a minor? On another note, can we stop thinking of people who are 16 as "children"? They don't magically become full adults when they become 18, the process is a lot slower and more gradual than this and you know it. Also, the US has no problem letting them drive and risk other people's lives on the road or putting them in the workforce, that's a lot more adult responsibilities that they can have in most european countries. Hell, in Colorado, for example, law allows children as young as 9 YEARS OLD to work. I can see how the US definitely cares a lot about the well being of children. I wonder why american morals and laws aren't universal... Speaking of mental development, the average person is fully mentally developed at around 25yo, so a 16yo isn't mentally developed, yeah, nor is an 18yo, 22yo and I'd argue some people have trouble even long after that age. So should we make the age of consent 25? It is true that the older the person becomes, the more developed they should be, but that doesn't mean they will automatically use that development to take advantage of younger people at all. It happens, of course, but so does every other bad, immoral, and even illegal thing that could happen to a person. Also, the age of consent in real life and human relationships is USELESS. Studies say that, in the US specifically, roughly 35% of people had their first experience before they were 16. 1 of every 3 people could NOT legally give consent, yet they still did it. How could that happen? Because the age of consent is not what you think it is, it's more of a guide for people to follow than an unbreakable moral and legal rule, but in the end the actual issue is not the age (except below 13) but rather how society acts on it, and of course the fact that abuse is possible in all relationships regardless of age because one of them treating the other horribly doesn't start being an issue only when one of them is slightly underaged. Fun fact, do you care to know what studies say about the first experiences among the British population? Around 30% for people younger than 16. In a european country, full of weirdos as you say, where the age of consent is 16, people below this age seem to engage in less sexual acts than in the USA where, as you know, some states have an even higher age of consent. Again, this all comes down to society. British people seem to understand and respect the age of consent a little better than americans do. Not bad for the weirdos. You americans need to learn not to be so polarized and self centered on everything. Not everything is black and white, right or wrong, moral or immoral... And americans don't have the right answers to anything just because they're americans. The views on many issues differ a lot from country to country. You think a young adult dating a consenting minor is disgusting? Ask east asian people how they feel about westerners losing their virginity before adulthood. People are different, cultures are different, and views on many issues are different. That's how it is and that's how it will always be. Very good and solid video nonetheless, but swing at my fellow europeans and I'll defend them every time, more if you're american. Only us europeans are allowed to attack other europeans.
I think it’s odd that you use the phrase “literally a child” for a 17 year old. Yes, at 17 you are still technically not a full grown adult, but in a year or so from that you’d graduate and get a job. Were as a real “literal Child” would still be learning their multiplication table. I think there is an acknowledgeable difference there. Not to mention, it’s not like Dave was in his late twenties or even thirties then, but instead early twenties. Plus, we don’t even definitively know if they had a explicit sexual relationship or not. Pedophilia, has been thrown around as a default for any somewhat complex situation regarding relationships and law. When in actuality pedophilia is when an adult rapes or sexually abuses a minor (think 5-10 year olds). And, though I personally don’t agree with BoyInABand’s actions if the statements are found to be true, I think there is a debatable line there.
1.Pedophilia is a adult being attracted to a child that is pre pubescent there is one or two more terms that describes post puberty but I don't know what they are 2. Your brain does not fully mature until about 25 3. In the uk even if you are passed 16 and/or living own your own if you are under the age of 18 you are LEGALLY A CHILD 4. THAT IS NOT ALL THEY SAID HE DID the so called "victims" also claims lots of other stuff 5. We don't know when they started dating/met so it can still be grooming 6. It's a 6 YEAR AGE GAP that my not seem like much but then why don't we let the 6 and 12 year Olds date "but that make no sense they 12 year old are way more mature" yes and a 22 is more mature the a 16/17 year old; so unless you think that a 6/7 can date a 12/13 a 16/17 year old should not date a 22 year old 7. I don't care if he did it or not and am own NO ONES SIDE so don't twist my words
@@ananyachopra31976. Obviously, not all year gaps are the same. 22 to 16 is still somewhat big, but it's ridiculous to compare it to 6 to 12 or 56 to 62.
As a 22 year old European I find anyone under age 20 undateble, i think of them as kids without life experience. But at the same time when I was 17 I dated a 21 year old and he was the one to bring up that it was wrong of us to date, so we ended things when he found out how young I was.
At least that person was trying to be respectful and responsible. It's perfectly normal for kids and teens to have crushes on ppl older than them but it's up to the adult in the situation to keep that polite distance.
@@MsDecens yeah it is, but I have sadly experienced people “adults” who didn’t take responsibility for them being the adult, having a relationship with a minor all the way back to the time I was 14. Which is sad that a large part of the male population in my experience lack the knowledge not to date a minor or someone largely younger than themselves.
Firstly I'm aware that something not being illegal doesn't make it moral. I'm a person that was SA'd at a very young age by my older sisters friend at the local childrens play area that was literally 2mins from my home. Now that my personal info is broadcast to the interwebs... it kind of is "American thinking" though when the UK doesn't have "sophomores" - secondary education is from approx 11-16 then further education is post 16 which includes what the UK call college (not the same thing as college in America) higher education is university so the equivalent of the American idea of college so using terminology that reflect the American education system literally constitutes the idea of "American thinking" I don't even know anything about Dave or BoyinaBand and have never heard about this creator before now so my response has absolutely eff all to do with what they have or haven't done but when you are taught in schools that the legal age of consent is 16 from primary school age and the secondary education system make a very big deal about it too with personal and social education classes about things like sexual health and related issues and would that seem questionable to someone that is taught with the standpoint of 18 being the age of consent - yeah, clearly. To any other country where the age of consent is 16 they just end up biting their tongue because saying "Oh but she is of the age of consent" results in backlash, being called a predator themselves or being branded a sympathiser by people that live in countries where the age of consent is higher. In the UK however there are extra stipulations in the law that relate to 16 and 17 year olds in which it is illegal to: -Take explicit photos or videos of someone under the age of 18. -Pay for sexual services from someone under the age of 18. -Take part in sexual axtivity with someone under the age of 18 if you are in a position of trust: so teacher, social worker, doctor, care worker. -... 🤔Take part in sexual activity with someone under the age of 18 if they are a ...member of your family! (OK, enough internet for today... wtf... it clearly has been a case that has happened if it needed to be stipulated in case law so i'm sorry ) I'm not sure whether the law intends to change to cover online influencers into this category of being in a position of trust due to them being influencers but I certainly am interested to see how that plays out, laws have to change and adapt to the times at least they do in the UK. I've seen countless auditor videos on RUclips with some Americans coming up against cops in traffic stops like "I'm a sovereign citizen, I don't NEED to have a license to drive a car" like dude, clearly that law was created in a time where people were driving around horse and carts not a big hunk of fucking metal that can kill someone pretty easily!! Sheesh! But I digress, I will look forward to seeing how the law in the UK adapts (if at all) to cover social media influencers, I do believe it should though personally, there's clearly an imbalance of power in a situation involving a 16 or 17 year old and a social media influencer with thousands if not millions of subscribers/fans/followers. Sorry about the length of this comment.
I'm not using this as a justification for anything else he was caught doing/accused of, but I don't think that community post poll should be used as evidence against him in the way you're using it. Just a thought as someone who considered myself a fan of his (and maybe still do. I won't condemn him without his side of the story or proper evidence against him): Dave is someone who uses dry humor. I 100% believe that the community post poll about his meds was not meant to be taken seriously. Read the full post. He said he was sharing his experience with medication, therapy, and mental health issues because seeing honest things like that from other people on the internet has helped him in the past. He says how his psychologist recently suggested that he up his meds from 10mg to 15mg and that he had started doing that per their guidance. So he wasn't asking fans for advice on his meds because he already got it from his doctor, and following a doctors advice on meds doesn't sound like substance abuse to me. He was trying to help himself and do the right thing to get better. To follow all that up with a legitimate "Hey, should I just OD tho" doesn't fit. The question and poll at the end was meant to be a joke. You can argue if it was in good taste or not; the implications of a parasocial relationship, etc. But it wasn't him "asking children for medication advice". Furthermore, I started watching him as an older teen/young adult. Judging by the dialogue that I observed in the comment section of his videos, most of his fans were/are that age as well and even older. He did analytical videos, music content, and social commentary. He swore and spoke of adult centric topics - not necessarily explicit, just political and social things that children don't care about. It's not like he was making Kidz Bop raps. To dumb it down to him having "an audience of children" just because it's convenient to provide something "damning" given the current situation is a mischaracterization of the facts.
personally, I watched him as a kid. 13-15 the whole video about school is what truly made him blow up. Because of this you completely ignore the point of the video.:(
@@emmag1754 thats you. Theres many whom cared for Dave beyond one song, he did a ton more. Good work despite at the cost of his own health. And before the tea channels decided to suddenly gavel him guilty based off bs, he had managed to gain over 1.5m followers despite stopping his posting. Also, he didnt disappear. Im not going to be the one to out him, but trust many know exactly where to find him and as of 4-5 months ago, was even on a stream. Have some empathy, Christ.
I appreciate that this post was not belittling and was very constructive cuzz at the end of the day this is a person we're talking about. a person who, did some bad shit and a person who's been through some bad shit, as the internet I understand that the hate and pride of people ither defending him to the grave or people hating his guts will live on and thrive here (the internet) look Dave's no Jeffery dumer but he has done so morally questionable things that made me stear my opinion about him and it upset me to know that he did that however there another side of that just can't fully hate and bring digest to the table at least without hearing his side of the story, has he changed is he the same semi predator? I can't honestly say for sure not till we hear from Dave, do I think that Dave is the scum of the earth no absolutely not that's unreasonable to have such a stance, however I am sadded by his actions that HAVE come to light on what he's done in the past (dating a minor no matter the law in the country) Look here's my closing point, all we can do is hope that people be better instead of wishing they burn into the hellscapes, all we can do is hope people become better as time moves on recognize the fucked up actions but also understand that their a human being just like your and me And for my final thoughts on Dave He should have known better and what he did (as of what we know as fact right now) was horrible, however my personal mentality is that I know people can change ither for better or for worse I always hope it's for the better And yes I do understand that I did a closing statement and a final thoughts I make no sence I know :v Hug your friend tell your ma you lover her and all that good stuff And if you do have something to add to my comment please make sure its respectful and constructive not destructive please and thank you I hope you and your puppy have a great rest of your day/night wherever you are (If you don't have a puppy then like idk your lizard? ferret? Whatever pets you might own)
Not European but it is interesting how many American RUclipsrs seem to believe that the age of consent is 18 in the US when it is in fact 16 in most states, not to mention how child marriages is still legal in almost every state.
@@fjalarhenriksson As an American, I completely agree. Drives me insane. Other laws and cultures exist. If you want to debate the morality of a situation, take into account culture, law (of where it took place), time period, etc. It's not cut and dry and just arguing "Well, I wouldn't be comfortable with it and it's not legal in the U.S." is a non-argument that does nothing but show a lack of education on the topic.
@@botanicalitus4194 So, by your definition, they are still a child because they are still in high school, correct? In the UK they complete secondary education (what the U.S. calls high school) at 16 rather than 18. Therefore, no longer in high school.
My conspiracy theory is that this “group of victims” isn’t even even a group of victims, but instead people who know Rachel and wanted to shame her publicly for one reason or another (that’s why they used her name so willingly) so they used her being abused as leverage. They had little to no evidence because they were trying to muddy the scenario to force either Rachel or Dave to publicly come out and clarify which parts were true and which parts weren’t. I know I sound bonkers but that’s just my brain’s thought process. This is a super weird situation tho and Dave is definitely gross. Edit: punctuation fixes Edit 2: further clarification
It's not crazy to think about. It happens. There are people out there that will use a persons abuse to humiliate them under the guise of "Helping" or "doing the right thing." The number is a little bigger than what good nature & optimism would have you believe. Yet, smaller than what distrust & pessimism will scream at you.
@@zyhurbeelzebub6213 yeah exactly. I’ve had people in the past use my trauma to humiliate me, but under the guise of wanting to support me and “raise awareness” so this was just giving all the alarm bells to me
So the video boils down to… "the Dave situation is itching me and I gotta say something about it… it’s weird dating a 16 year old as a 22 year old, who cares what part of the world you’re in? Also the account that posted the lies deleted it but they’re still active so??? That means something right???? Uugh I wish Dave would just come out of his hiatus and make a statement I can meticulously pick apart word for word to hopefully get him in a lie hahah! That would make my channel explode for sure! Not that he has to do that, you know the justice system who upholds the laws I just said shouldn’t matter? They exist for a good reason you know! But in conclusion dating a 16 year old is weird! Not illegal where he lives but so weird and gross and she can’t give consent, I refuse to accept it! He told her to sing "take me without consent" 🤢🤢🤢 literally??? Man he must be a pedo creep, even though I won’t use that word cuz much ad revenue. I know the info against him is fake but like… SHES 16 AND HES SILENT" Or something like that. Let it go dude.
Bingo. It drives me crazy how quickly tea channels dehumanize an entire life for revenue. Theres comments even naming other people to go after, its disgusting.
I agree. This channel is literally profiting off of rumors and speculation. It’s like, what if they end up being false, and everyone ends up calling BoyInABand a pedo simply because of rumors and videos like these that won’t give it up. Not to mention, the letter is sketchy as fuck anyways
@@dead_ones i saw someone left a comment to a post pointing out similar glaring holes with the opening like “Im not going to say how old i am, but im under 15...”.. then leaves a lengthy comment talking with such empty confidence saying all this is 100% true.. etc.. adhoms.. finishing off with calling him essentially the most vile specimen ever.. i look at their YT.. made in 2012 with a little description its an alt and redirecting to a main channel. So under 15 with an alt made in 2012? Bro we got 4 year old warriors out here apparently. When its come to scraping bottom of the barrell with such Amber Heard like tactics like straight lying.. idk what to say. Terminally online has never been as true or toxic.
Where did you get the idea that Dave's followers are children? Just curious. I did start following him at around age 16 but that was about 5 years ago.
Thank you. Dave NEVER catered to kids. Its a stupid assumption bc he made a few spngs with animators. His social commentary on mental health is not for children. Nonsense.
@@HaraQuinn Yeah I remember a lot of the videos he used to make were just him reading articles, something children would harldy find appealing (considering the amount of more "exciting" stuff out there).
@@goofy3517 I liked it when I was 16-17 but not *because* I was 16-17. I've always been the out-of-the-loop guy when it comes to entertainment and music and that stuff. His content is not really aimed at teens; one'd think gaming, scientific experiments, challenges, etc., would fit better in that genre. His content is (or used to be) mostly studies, satire and social science.
I'm from the UK, the age difference is degusting. If someone finds themselves defending it just because it's technically legal then we know what kind of creeps they are I suppose.
Exactly, don't know why he had to label the whole of Europe the way he did when we all know that its the age difference thats disgusting. Just because the law says its legal, doesnt mean that suddenly British people think paedophilia is ok.
@@rxsOwO "Thank you for making me experience patriotism for the first time" "Its good to know that we are doing something way better on this side of the pond"
Devils advocate here. Laws exist for a reason. The age of consent wasn't created to help pedophiles prey on young people-quite the opposite. It was created to protect them. Just because it can be exploited in some cases doesn't mean it's automatically bad and should be abolished. Also, the law doesn't have perfect answers for everything. There are plenty of things that are legal but may be considered morally questionable or just wrong by many (like, for example, the legality of gambling).
@@monkaeyes3417 Bro, the thing you proposed is even more flawed than existing laws. Not even mentioning that preventing someone WHO IS ADULT and in the eyes of the law can do anything he/she wants including going to war and killing people from dating someone is kinda moronic. I know people who are almost 30 and act like they are 16 and I know people who are 16 and acts like they are 30. Why? Because in the end age doesnt dictate if someone is smart or not. But we as society decided that being 18 years old is enough to become responsible for your own decisions.
I will come here not to talk about Dave. Bit to hipefully have people use their brains a little. 1. People out here pretending men 22 dating 16 is rare. It is not. Painfully not. 2. Dating that way is certainly weird. But not inherently bad. You need to know the relationship between these two people to trully know if it's healthy or not. Because it can be. Thoughts on Dave. If I heard correctly, the dating the 16yo was in 2011. And it seems to be your MAIN clinging point. Like mentioned throughout a bunch of times. Honestly, that bird's flown already. Its been 11 years... Lastly, no, he doesnt need to break his hiatus bc of this. His fans are entitled to shit. Like, sure they give him his platform and support. They can take it away. And its not like he is using it right now. VERY weird from you to say rhat. Sounded very unhealthy
I agree, he doesn’t owe anyone a response, especially considering his absence from the internet before the letter got written. And I do think that people acting like he’s a full blown pedo who seeks out “children” are actually doing harm even though they might not realize it. Not necessarily OKing that specific age gap relationship, but I do think that trying to equate someone having an age gap relationship when they were 22 over 10 years ago with someone who habitually and continually seeks out literal children just dilutes the seriousness of the latter. I understand the people with trauma related to that might feel strongly about it but it’s still a really bad move to just strip all nuance away from the discussion and pretend everything exists in neat orderly shades of black and white.
In the US, 44 states still allow child marriages, with conditions like parental or judicial consent. 6:13 Worse still we don’t allow abortions to children who have been assaulted
I'm guessing its because the OP of the reddit post said that Dave knows who they are due to sending the letter so it sounds like if they sent said letter they put their name?
@@ollieollieoctopus4035 theres no proof they actually did send the letter, they only claimed to, like every other piece of “evidence” its just a baseless claim
22/23 year old with a 16/17 year old is yucky as it is but its even yuckier when I put the age gap into context that I can put into picture. Two examples: 1. That would mean someone two years older than me at present would be sleeping with someone the age of one my younger cousins. As she lives with us now, I can speak from two viewpoints: a past 17 year old and a present 20 year old who interacts with a 17 year old daily. No matter how mature a 17 year old considers themselves/is, they are not mature enough to consent to a relationship with a 20+ year old. 2. I'm a 20 year old getting my bachelors degree, in my 5th semester. Majority of my classmates are in the same age range(20-21). So, a 22 year old would be, following the same math, in 7th-9th semester of college (or you know, possibly graduated from college if the course is of 4 years). Similarly, a 16 year old is a 10th grader. And a 17 year old is a 11th, at most 12th grader. So we have: • Worst case scenario: A 10th grader with a college graduate. • 'Best' case scenario: A 12th grader with a 4th year bachelor student. Neither is good. And I've probably messed up the math somewhere considering I think I kept Dave at 22 even when Rachel would've been 17. But the situation is yuck as it is and I don’t want to put myself through editing the math when the existing one still proves my point.
So far the only things Dave has basically 100% confirmed to have done are: Be depressed, date a 16 year old (which was questionable, but not illegal), and make some edgy lyrics and jokes while making a 'gangsta rap' style song 8 years ago (meanwhile other gangsta raps talk about rape, drugs and guns all the time). It's clear Dave hasn't always had a sparkling reputation, but him being depressed and going through an edgy phase almost a decade ago shouldn't be enough to condemn the guy and certainly doesn't account for everything he's been accused of.
@@botanicalitus4194 first, your comments been suppressed. Whats with you guys unable to make an argument without being autoflagged? Second, she was 17. Its been pointed out numerous times critiquing why this guy keeps conveniently referring to her as 16 when she was 17. This is, of course, assuming theres any actual merit to any of this to be brought up 10 years later with NOTHING strong enough cept hearsay and a bitter ex (even THATS questionable bc that soy disstrack alluding to Dave as a sellout for working with a nahttzeeee Pewdiepie, was what began all of this.. and theres not even actual evidence THEY even dated).. its just so incredibleyou guys have nothing better to do then worry about a ten year old sitch that will go literally nowhere. And yes, law matters. Law is the difference between doing the right thing and calling the authorities.. but instead starting a brigade to cancel a guy. A guy, whos been absent for years due to his MDD. Convenient. You know.. Ukraine could use some coverage and help from the populous?
And the accusations of an "inappropriate relationship with fans" is a little ridiculous to me. Every youtuber and streamer has a different relationship with their fans and it might have been an inside joke. Not a funny one, but an inside joke nonetheless. One that others have literally no right to go on about. The fact this youtuber has literally gone on and on about the 16 year old thing is laughable since there are literal places out there that have the age of consent at 12-14. Spread about that before even commenting on 16 year olds consenting.
In my country you can only date minors, if you're not more than 3 years older. Even if both are minors, the age gap can't be bigger than 3 years. So basically a 17 year old and a 20 year old in a relationship would be legal.
@@HaraQuinn In the US, Romeo and Juliet laws actually apply to people who met as kids, but then one became an adult before or during the relationship. Other countries have age gap laws
@@Catglittercrafts Your preference. It is completely normal in some circumstances. Not when one person starts dating someone when they are adult and one is a minor, but when two are both minors, or both adults. Also, relationships are about love and support, not whatever sexual stuff yall are thinking about. Wierdos.
Why are you casually just hating europeans, and not even thinking about the age of consent in most of the US. Stop being so cringe. Also stop saying he is dating a "literal child" to make it seem like it's someone who is 10.
Dave not responding, in my eyes, is completely acceptable and fine. From my recollection, Dave actually didn't have sole control of his accounts (he said somewhere I think but I forget), so firstly, maybe hes locked out, and secondly, he most likely doesnt even know about the drama. He probably has deleted twitter during his hiatus, and also, the drama hasnt got super mainstream that its like "oh hey this is a thing" due to the decrease in love for cancel culture, and finally, its not really something his family or his friends are just gonna bring up, and maybe a part of his hiatus has been learning from the mistakes of dating young(ish) people. We never know why hes on hiatus, so his whole hiatus could literally be because he wants to better himself from this drama. Anyhow, great video man, keep up the good work!
Does he? Does he really want that? I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's really unlikely. He's literally being accused of dating minors. We should've heard SOMETHING from him by now.
If its true that the letter was mailed to him though, wouldn't he know about the allegations even before they dropped? not necessarily saying that's the case, this is a very fishy situation, but I dunno, I wouldn't put him on a pedestal.
@@moviesmemesandstuff2759 Nope, not minors, you are lying. If someone from Saudi Arabia saw you walking through the street without covering your face they would call you disgusting and immoral. If someone from America sees a legal consenting relationship under 18 they're disgusting and immoral. Welcome to reality, your entire morality and worldview is shaped by the culture you live in.
6:21 while it would be legal here (somewhere in Europe), it would be weird enough to get investigated just to be sure. I had a girl in my middle school who dated a guy 4 years older and everyone I've heard on the topic was incredibly disturbed by it. Rightly so; it is incredibly disturbing.
Eh, honestly never saw much wrong with the accusations anyway. Oh no, he dated someone younger than him. And? Given the state of the world, I'm gonna need something actually shocking.
Im so entirely glad you are growing at the rate you are. The cohesiveness of how you put points together with sprinkled in jokes to make it a little lighter in situations that is otherwise pretty hard to hear and talk about. there are so many cut and dry sides on the internet from boyinabands fans defending him to the end of their lives and the other side that just says fuck him with literally no decent evidence or truth behind their points. so thankyou for being one of the few that actually looks at shit how it needs to be looked at and not just dogpiling
Even so you could always see from his eyes that's he has always had terrible mental health and been super emotionally fragile, never seemed to have gotten his emotions under his control, that'll do that to a person
Yeah well, who cares? The accusers are the ones at fault and most of them lie. I'm not changing my entertainment choices just so they can ''feel validated.''
Not about boyinaband but rather another thing you mentioned. There’s no universal opinion on what a “child” is and with leading politicians proclaiming marriage for 12 year olds in your country you should probably not die on the hill of a 16 year old being a “child”. I know where the cultural differences come from as someone who grew up between the USA and EU, but a country that executes 14 year olds being tried as adults, allowing “children” at 16-17 to die in war, yet want to control every other aspect of actually growing up like alcohol, sex, voting and medical rights needs to chill about cultural differences online and IN THEIR COUNTRY. Maybe whenever Americans actually find out what they think “children” are they could properly educate them and prepare them for becoming an adult gradually while actually protecting them! When are Americans adults though when they are lacking in education, consensus and rhetorical skills. Never? Again this is NOT about boyinaband but maybe think before dumbing on the rest of the world as someone from our sh*tty culture. 😒
Great video. I do disagree on his silence being suspicious, however, and it's something I've realized following the revival of ProJared's career: it's probably better to wait until the fire dies down before you say anything. The internet is pretty well known for violently lashing out normally, so imagine how bad it can get when you are actively in their scopes. People are gonna be less willing to listen to your side of the story when the internet currently hates your guts. So the smart thing to do would be to hold your tongue for a while, try to collect your receipts, and say something after the internet has mostly calmed down and moved on from it. Think of it like taming a wolf. If you had to choose to do it when the wolf is actively hungry and pissed off, or wait until it's full and calm? None of this is to say that I think Dave is innocent, mind you. There's enough here for me to go "yeah, fuck him" and delete his songs from my Spotify playlist. I just don't think silence is a particularly suspicious part of the whole thing.
I mean but Projared did respond. He put out his side of thing. I think he has either 1. Be found out and just wishes to disappear so he doesn't get in real trouble, or 2. Hope if he stays quiet long enough and comes back everyone will forget.
In Europe 17 year olds dating around 20 isn't that rare, they're often still in similar situations. Be it hitting the club, school (or university) etc. I get the appeal for the younger one, they're got their shit more together etc. But as somebody in the mid 20s 18 year olds just look so goofy and immature, would be too offputting for me. Went way to long just to say 3ish year difference is fine, 6 is just creepy (18 and 24 gives me weird vibes already and before 17/18 such a big age difference is illegal as it should be imo)
I used to completely agree but tbh now im 22 and in the same class as 17-19 yr olds they are all a lot more mature and put together than me. I think it can depend whether you are at the same stage in life and whether or not you were looking for it
I'm glad to see you take the aproach of innocent until proven guilty instead of jumpng on the bandwagon of calling Dave guilty. You also make very good points about the immorality of his proven dating of a 16 year old when he was in way in his 20s be it legal or not it is still immoral. I think it makes sense for Dave to not say annything in all fairness as he can take his time to properly prove that he is innocent if that is the case, tho it is a difficult thing to do as you mention. I find this whole thing to be tough to look at from an unbiased place as Dave's music helped me through tough times in my life, I suppose I'll have to hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Over all your videos on this have been grate and informative. Keep up the good work.
I know a dozen 16-18 year olds much more mature than my 24-30 year old friends, girls and boys as well... Not that it justifies it, but age is not that important when the age gap is less than a few years
According to Jimmy Robin's definition of 'child', there are countries in Europe where children can vote. Also, a 6 year gap between partners is not unusual at all. My own parents are 6 years apart, and I know many couples with a similar age difference. There are many 16 year olds fully able to consent, as there are many 18 year olds who can't. I will not defend Dave in any way, but riding on this one argument and claim that it's morally wrong to date a 16 year old "child" (with 22), is really disturbing and hypocritical. Again, I don't defend anybody here! Also, I know I'm 9 months late to the discussion.
the whole "adult" argument is usually made by Americans thinking strictly from a legal pov rather than using common sense, while also thinking the American law applies everywhere else in the world
I personally disagree he did anything wrong (only half way though the video here so don't kill me in case I'm missing something lol) but I'm willing to believe I may just have a different opinion on this since I'm a year older than my gf and neither of us would ever consider me to be a r@pist for us being sexual when I was 18 and she was 17. We've been together for nearly 4 years now and neither of us would even think about that being an accusations you could levey against me Edit: I'd like to add the reason it's immoral is the fact it was sexual ever, it's always immoral to be sexual with someone you aren't going to marry, I don't think it's wrong since they were both in college and had the same mental capacity, if you think age determines mental capacity you really don't know many people
I mean, I'm 23 but I think I started watching him when I would've been about 16. I don't really know if YOUNG people still watch him or if it's just us all collectively being weirded out as adults looking back on some of his sketchy relationships. I'm not sure.
not saying my age, but I'm under fifteen. and I watch his videos, I'm not gonna unfollow him unless there is REAL proof. yes, he did make weird relationships with a sixteen year old/his fans that isn't really grounds to be considered real. because he confessed to that relationship, and everyone knows about it. what I think would be real proof is if people have voice recordings or just SOMETHING I don't think that Dave will come out about this. and for now I will not make my choice on whose side I will be on when this does eventually get worse. until then, I'm just gonna pertend like it isn't real, I hate the fact that it could be... and also wtf was wrong with Dave back then? like he's fucked up now, but DAMN he was so fucked in the head back in 2011. but hey, you can't blame him for being so fucked up! he wasn't taught what laws there were...
I agree, no one in their 20’s should be dating a 16/17 year old. But let’s be real, a 16/17 year old is not a child, and they don’t magically become an adult and learn to make smart decisions on their 18th birthday lmao.
He was never taught what laws there are 😔 I repeat, he was not taught the laws for the country he lives in, but he knows how Henry the 8th killed his women
I have a hunch, it's not based on any evidence in particular or anything but i feel like it's somewhat close to the reality of what is actually happening so, i think Boyinaband DID do the things he's accused of but the scale and volume of it it's not as the open letter laid out, i'd think a mentally unstable and immature girl (and is also a fan) that could have experience those abuse from Boyinaband would likely exaggerate the story. on the other side i think why Boyinaband isn't responding is because he's already stepped away from the internet anyway because of his mental problems and abandoning his "Boyinaband" brand would do minimal impact to him, and also since his actions are technically still legal he isn't really pushed and rushed to do anything, so yeah we either gonna just see this whole entire thing just fizzle out or Boyinaband get cornered by "something" and will give a statement eventually
The group chat screenshots were proof that the letter was massively exaggerated. For example what they consider a pattern of physical abuse was they read his journal and he had written about BDSM. His pattern of financial abuse was a woman did work for him and he paid her for it. An example of the abuse they suffered from him was they felt humiliated shopping with him because he only bought microwave meals and the cashier commented on it. The real issues seem to be along the lines of what was said by his ex with the diss track, and that he will just stop contacting people when it's not working out. All of the attention has been on how he was smeared as a pedo using the fact that he publicly dated the 17 year old when he was 23, and considering most have made their judgement clear they think he deserves to be labelled a grooming pedo regardless of any context of the relationship, there is no real reason for him to come back online to talk about it just because some youtubers think they are owed it. He could highlight and clarify the context of the throwaway rape song being intended to mock pop song lyrics, and point out the obvious false allegations that were made, but it doesn't really matter what he would come out and say as it wont help his reputation anyway. It's a fact he dated the 17 year old and that is mostly what people take issue with
@@garycannon2887 beautifully laid out. Not to mention, he doesnt owe anyone anything unless authorities were involved.. which they wont be over such senseless drama. His ex was so salty jealous that dave became close with pewds. Her allegations towards just pewds was a hallmark of insanity. I feel no sympathy for cancel vultures. They disgust me, sorry.
@@garycannon2887 i'm sorry but the "His pattern of financial abuse was a woman did work for him and he paid her for it." is just really funny for some reason lol
As a 18 year old European, i also don’t agree with an age gap of 16-20. In my country once you turn 15 you can give sexual consent to someone 15-17 years old. At 18 the law is 18 and older. Then there is the gray area of cases where one person in a relationship turn 18 while the other person is still just 17 or 16, but let’s just leave that up for individual cases, shall we?
Yeah I don’t think a lack of response from a guy who hasn’t posted a video in like 3 years is odd i get the thing with his reputation being ruined but as weird as it may seem he may genuinely not know as he seems to be intentionally not using the internet cause it is toxic for him. Your other points i agree with him dating a 16 year old was gross. It has been like 10 years though so there’s no evidence he continued to do that. I’ll just wait for him to say anything before having an opinion, generally though i think the fact that nothing knew has come out kinda proves nothing happened, but who knows. Also could be he hasn’t said anything or they haven’t said anything cause a trial is going on or they are under threat of being sued which honestly if a crime did happen that’s how it should be handled.
No trial, far as i know. He did abandon his channel. But he was Harry Potter in ERB since, and also in MANY member only live streams of other creators up until 5 months ago. He has MDD and hes in a creative stunlock.. which im sure these conspiracy theories are doing nothing but keeping Dave offline officially even longer. He doesnt owe anyone, esp drama channels, anything. As you said, if there was actual dangerous context to this, it belongs in the hands of the authorities, which theres no actual 10 year old proof of anything besides hearsay. This nonsense is nothing but twitter cancel culture trying to destroy another guy. And an extremely sick one at that. Dave isnt tea. Notice how the worst, bad faith commenters never even say his name, and many spell just boyinaband wrong. Its so dehumanizing.
bruv a 16 year old is not "literally a child". You are not a child and 2 year later a full adult that is fully responsible. That's not how it works. Also in america there's the romeo and juliet law that allows some relationships of 16 years old with 18 or 19 years old. So your own argument doesn't work within the states or anywhere in the world. We just need to know if what he was doing was legal or not. If it was then your moral judgement has zero value or any meaning.
Don't get me wrong, Dave dating a 16 yo when he was 22 is very pathetic and creepy but why do people like to make it sound worse by saying "a literal child!"". It's bad enough with just stating the facts, the "child" part makes it sound like he was dating an 11 yo or something. It bothers me because one thing is waaaay more fucked up than the other one and, while I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong, I feel like people talk like that to get everyone more outraged for free and generate more clicks. I'm not saying "it is legal so it's ok". I didn't know about this and I lost all respect for him but I feel like the girl's parents failed her and he really needs (or needed if he changed) to grow up. Even leaving aside the fact that is creepy, why would anyone do that? I would be so bored to be with someone that age when I was 22, yikes. Things like these need to be spoken of more often for young people to see that while they may feel cool dating an older partner they are opening themselves to be abused or screwing their lives by skipping some development
Personally I believe it all depends on mental maturity of the involved. A 16 yo can be incredibly immature as well as mature enough to be considered an adult depending on the person. Also age gap doesn't bother me much because my own parents have a 10 years age gap, but that is beside the point. The law that makes it legal for a 16 yo to date someone older exists for a reason, and it's not to "enable" certain types of people; but to allow a more mature 16 yo to have a relationship they want and not feel like they are being prevented from getting it.
@@yoster39 Except a "mature" 16 year old wouldn't mature at all. You made a terrible point there to defend adults dating teens. Teens wouldn't know they're being taken advantage and therefore the adult could normalize abuse in their relationship and that teen would think that is how normal relationships work and get abused.
a big thing to remember with the UK is the age of consent is 16. which has caused a lot of issue when stuff comes up on the internet. even in the UK there is a lot of mixed feelings when you get situations like this of a 16 year old sleeping with someone in their 20s, you get people who dont care because its legal, you get people who understand its legal but still say its morally apprehensible and those who believe the age of consent being 16 should only apply in cases of a 16 year old sleeping with someone else who is 16-18 and that overall age of consent should be changed to 18 not saying this to defend, i personally am one of the people who find it morally wrong to date someone at 16-18 while being in your 20s regardless of what the law says. Im mainly bringing this up and so many people are quick to jump on situation like this and claim they're a pedo which is a seriouse accusation and should only be used when its properly applicable
sorry should of also added, in the UK when your turn 16 you're seen as an adult in the UK ...in most things. its weird, like you can live on your own at 16 but you cant vote, you can by tried as an adult but you cant purchase alcohol
Nothing justifies dating a 16-year-old when you’re 22. What if you knew the story of a 16-year-old who fell in love with a 22-year-old, and they stayed together for five years until one of them passed away and they probably would’ve remained together if that hadn’t happened would you still say it’s disgusting because I would say they were in love. He was a gentleman and she was a lady.
Although a 20 year old dating a 16 year old is weird and I wish people never did it, I don't see it as a black or white thing. What matters more is what the relationship was like, I wouldn't feel comfortable claiming anyone was a pedo over it. I think even a 20 year old and 25 year old would be a little weird.
Completely agree. This alone while may be a weird age gab at best it's 6 years. But at the same time is doesn't mean he's a pedo lol. What would be needed is him using his age as a manipulative tactic would then make him predatorial. I don't think most people in this thread agrees with us though lol. Heck I'd go to the extreme and say a 20 year old could date as old as she wants and while it might be weird but I don't think it'd immoral with 2 consenting adults however if the older partner manipulates then that's an issue.
On the subject of BIAB dating aa 16yo as a 22yo. I do agree that that is kinda icky, BUT, you need to relize the the laws where you grow up affect how you see things. If something is completely normal growing up, that is going to feel normal to you untill you activally change that. If you were raseid in a place like the united states with laws saying that anything happening between someone over 18 and someone under 18 is bad, you are going to think it's bad, and when presented with another opinion you will most likely not be able to wrap your head around how anyone could think that. It's the samething that happens when growing up being immerssed in a religoin. If your entire life it is drilled into you no sex till marrage, the first time you meet someone who has never beleived that, you will be completely baffled how anyne could think that was okay. On the other end if you have never been taught that something is bad, when you met someone who thinks it's horrible, you'll be confused as to why any one would think that. To you, it is totally normal, it is so weird to think that it is wrong. What I'm trying to say, is that he most likely saw apsolutly nothing wrong with it, that's why he was so casual talking about it. It my have never even accured to him that someone else whould think badly of it. There is more of a problem with the fact that she was a fan (and obviously the abuse IF it is real) then there is one with her being 16, no matter how icky that may feel.
6:06 That's truly *a* hill to die on of all times... Your laws are not our laws and our morals are often based on stuff like law and religion that was around us growing up. Grasping the concept that different people think differently is something 5 year olds do, can't believe you can't... I dated a 21yo when I was 15 completely legally. I broke up with him because I decided he was treating me immaturely. I am now 21 myself. I do not have any trauma from dating him. If I do have it from any of my exes it would be from one that was actually a few months younger than me, because he treated me like a sεx toy and I still can't let go, still can't let myself be a human in the bedroom. Their age didn't mean anything. All that did was their actions. Someone long ago decided because I was 15 I was capable of making my own decisions. Could I turn around, say he grσσmed me on the internet and get a bunch of pity points? Of course I could. It's the internet. Would I? Never. Because I will not overwrite the law that says I made my own decision. I am not gonna infantilize myself against all that. And I don't regret dating him one bit. I have other exes to regret.
Thank you! I'm American and that's one of the things that irritate me the most when I get into moral discussions with them. The conversation ususally goes, "Well, it's against the law!" "Well, actually not in their country" Well, just because it's law doesn't mean it's moral!" When discussing morality, it's important to look at culture, law (where the event happened), and context. It's just an attempt for people trying to pretend like their educated on a subject because they've been told it's wrong and don't want to admit to being wrong.
Good for you that nothing bad happened to you, but honestly to me there's much more cases where I lived where that kind relationship ended up in much worst outcome (usually only for the girls). But I know I won't convince you regardless, just want to share my point of view. I'm not American btw...
This ex that made a "song" about him just seems like she wants to capitalize off it tho, She's also going on about him being a "rich white man" and het being "this thing" she reminds me of what you'd get if you buy lilly singh off aliexpress
It was the saltiest cringe virtue signaling pewds as being a n* for the WSJ bs they retracted and fired the three writers for a year after. She had no reason to shade dave so much using felix as the reason. The salt was pure.
What are you talking about? How many states have 17 yr/old as the age of consent? How many have LOWER AGES of consent? How about (iirc) two states that allow child brides? False sense of patriotism. Also, not that I think its cool to date 17yr olds at 22, but saying “LITERAL CHILD” for someone at 17 is weird since at 18 they suddenly become an adult.
As a European (UK in particular), I'm used to the age of consent being 16, but that is not gonna stop me from seeing how weird it is seeing someone in their 20s dating, or really doing anything with a 16 year old
When you say in their 20s it's almost like you're trying to say he was like 27 and not 20/21 like he actually was. 10 years ago a 16 year old dating a 21 year old would be a little odd but not at all cause for concern in fact it wa very common, ask some people over the age of 45 about their relationships, you'll want to cancel them all lol
I won't talk about the shit I'm hearing at the place I live. An 18 year old already has a baby. And here I still uncertain about whether or not, I'll be able to escape from this place. (Though, I'll have a chance in the summer, I'm binding my time)
@@WookieWarriorz hi I never got a notification for this reply and yes, 10 years ago was in fact 10 years ago and no longer applies to the world we live in today a 21-16yo relationship is very strange and when I said in their 20s I meant any point in their 20s I'm 22 and if I saw someone my age dating a 16 year old I'd rinse them for it
hot take but, age gaps dont really matter if its just like a 3-5 year gap (starting at 16+) like, if both people are okay with it and the older guy aint doing it for weird reasons then it shouldnt be such a big deal (literally no one even talks about mfs that are like 20 dating 50 year olds 💀)
I've never really been able to watch Boyinaband's stuff without feeling oddly uncomfortable. Only time I've intentionally watched stuff with him in it was Roomie's videos. It was something in his eyes, I thought I was crazy, but guess not.
I mean it R E A L L Y depends on what you think is not a child, some people would say 18, others would say 16 or even 14 (WHICH IS CRAZY!) I personally think that 18 is the right age of being an adult.
Is that because it's the legal age of an adult in your country (hence, what you were raised to believe), or is there some other argument that brought you to that conclusion? I'm just curious on the subject as I grew up American, so 18 was the clear number to representing an adult for me. However, I'm yet to hear an argument beyond it being law when others are bringing up the laws being different in their countries. If not, no worries, but I'm just trying to find a unique argument that goes beyond arguing the laws of one's country being applicable to the rest of the world.
I've not started the video yet, just read some of the comments, and wanna make it clear (if its not already said) yes the age of consent in England is 16, but that's because we know 16 yr olds get up to stuff with other 16 year olds. We still see it as absolutely vile and predatory if someone maybe 2+ years older is 'dating' someone under 19. We have a term for people like that and it will get thrown out, we're not shy 😃 I know it's not wholly related but wanted to remind everyone some brilliant news, that the legal age to be able to get married has gone up to 18, no more child brides thanks 🙌
Nah sorry if this is true of the UK it's an incredibly recent development. I'm a year younger than Dave and when I the age he was when he was dating Rachel, I was also in a relationship with a 17 year old (granted I turned 20 2 months before she turned 18, but still) and literally no one, from our colleagues, friends, families, people we bumped into on the street, no one at all batted an eyelid. Was far from the only person I knew with that sort of age gap at the time as well. This whole mystical barrier around the age of 18 if it genuinely exists in the UK is a new construct; at the time Dave was in that relationship it was socially acceptable to be in such a relationship.
I feel like you're taking the whole "asking his fans if he should overdose" thing a bit too serious. When I'm deep down in the whole depression thing I often say things I don't mean.
It also could be an attempt at humor, I know from my own experience psychiatrists will up and up and up your dose if the med isn’t “working.” So I could see joking like “my psych says a dose increase should help me not feel awful 24/7, I guess if I wanna feel good I just triple that increase, right?!”
Ummm I don't know whose gonna tell you but ummm consent here the states ranges from 16-18 bro so lmao we don't all have it together unfortunately. It may be gross and immoral BUT it's legal. I live in Mass and the legal age of consent is 16 here so....yea....guess I just told you 🤣
Honestly I think a 6 year difference from a 16 yo girl (who typically are a little more mature for their age) and a 22 yo guy (who are typically a little more immature for their age) isn't all that large of a gap, if you take maturity into account it's more like a 3- 4 year difference. And, it depends on the individuals, as well. And if it's legal there, how is it that we, as Americans, feel that they should feel immoral about it? Yeah, here it's considered that a 16 yo can NOT "legally" consent to a relationship with someone older than 18...but that's here... And, how exactly is it that 18 became the magical age of consent, here?? If she had been 18 and him 24, would that have packed just as much of a punch "morally"?? How many years in that gap, is moral? I'm just saying a 6 year gap, in a country that 16 is IS the legal age of consent, is not that big of a gap. That aside, idk how young his preferences actually go. However, I do think it's possible his lack of response to allegations could definitely be due to his depression/mental health. I also struggle with severe depression and I know, for me, there are times that I literally do not have the mental capacity to deal with things, especially altercation/confrontational things. I tend to disappear and sleep a lot, to escape life, when I feel attacked or overly stressed. Hell, when I'm really struggling, it doesn't even have to be much stress or much of an attack, it could just be my *perception* of something being stressful or someone attacking me. And if I'm bad enough to be having S. Ideologies, sometimes I don't even have the mental capability to even entertain the idea of doing anything but using stressful things as fuel and justification for those ideologies and why "I should just....X_X" However I can really only speak definitively, for myself, but it's possible that he could also be hibernating to escape any confrontation.... Or consequences, if there's some to be had. Or not able to escape his own mind, enough to respond to them.
I have a friend who dated a 30 year old when she was 16. Canada, so it's legal. Thing is, it still makes you feel uncomfortable regardless of the law. Not only that, if he was dating a fan, that adds a whole other layer of messed-up
Ok, which of my fellow Europeans said America is weird for having adults being the only ones to be able to consent? We have the 16 rule, but that is only for relationships with a partner under 20. If, no matter what the law says, you have no issue with a 20+ year old dating someone a bit over half their age, you have some issues.
@@whyismylifeweird4251 oh not at all. I am just wondering who said it as I am curious as to what country they are from. Also, not sure what you think I am offended about, but I'd sooner agree with Americans than some of these people regarding the consent matter.
When I was in high school most of the other girls thought it was “cool” to have a college boyfriend - and quite a few had one. And even brought them to prom. And I was always creeped out by it. But then I’ve never been interested in dating much at all, so I’m missing some perspective. Like yes, the boys our age were still immature idiots making fart jokes but the 22 year olds willing to go to high school prom were ALSO immature idiots, just making sex jokes. So how is that an improvement? And sorry to say, but yeah, I’m American. No, we don’t do that right either. 😏
Okay, so, Dave’s innocent for the most part, the letter was mostly fake, and you shouldn’t go with the hivemind of guilty until proven innocent, because that’s not how the law works. Take notes, internet, this is how life works.
I just want to mention that the age of consent is 16 in some states in the US just like in a lot of Europe. Obviously exploiting another human being is a crime but if a person of the age of consent consents and wants the relationship then it is their right and they don’t deserve to be vindicated.
Really feel like your point is not true. My girlfriend was 17 when we met and I was 22. We have been together for nearly 6 years, have lived together for 5 and can honestly say it’s the happiest and least toxic relationship I have ever been in. I understand how it can look weird, and yeh 100% there are creeps in the world. But they are the minority. So slating someone for not conforming with what you believe when they are old enough to get married, drive a car or join the army is kinda shitty.
thank you for being so objective about the whole thing. It kinda hurts to see people who don't care about his stuff in the slightest just make definitive claims about things that haven't been proven and not even acknowledge that this guy was a massive part of a lot of people's childhoods. Me being a fan of his stuff in no way makes me automatically want to pardon him of all allegations - that would be dumb - but it's nice to see someone who isn't a fan handle this with the care they would give to someone they were a fan of. Also, if this ages poorly, it's not my fault
It is clear he is guilty of many unacceptable behaviours, but I cannot help but feel that the lack of evidence regarding the CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS are so poor that I have a real difficulty believing them. Once more, the unqualified allegations make his much more believable allegations so much less convincing.
Hi, I'm from Sweden. We have a lot of strange laws in Europe, but in Sweden there's actually one worse. In Sweden, a boy can give legal consent when he's 16 years old. That's because the brain is considered by the people who makes laws in my country to be the day when you can make decisions like that. In Sweden, a woman can give legal consent when she's 15 years old. That's because "women mature faster than men", something usually said in middleschool to put young boys in their place when they get uppedy towards younger girls. It's a bit like saying "Well, at least I'm smarter." and since that is so ingrained, teachers won't bother getting deeper into why this girl was bullied in the first place, boys will be boys and they'll get lower grades because they are dumber. This somehow is also a legal thing so if you're a woman you can just give consent one whole year earlier. But the kicker is, if you're _a gay woman_ your age of consent is like that of a boy - 16, why? It's not stated. Now, I will however agree with the dude on 6:00 on one point; people on the internet are too damn Americanized. Your problems are Our problems even though they don't fit in at all. People have made comparisons between the Sami and Native Americans, which is fucking wrong and fucked up. We're not a "fucked up old country that doesn't know what it's doing" we're all an entire species of "fucked up old countries that doesn't know what the fuck they are doing." But in general I'm extremely tired of having problems of other countries projected onto my country and seeing the problems my country actually have be ignored in favour of an external problem we don't even have. I'm not blaming Americans alone, I'm also blaming people in my country for thinking your problems are our problems. Left and Right over in my country is not the same as Left and Right in yours, we have literally taken a mold of your society and your problems and we're trying to fit in it and we just don't. That being said, just fucking make a global 18 Age of Consent, we're not in the stone ages anymore and this is just vague shit that makes people "think it's ok" somwhere else, it's moral leeway and I don't think anyone but the perpetrator would want.
he was never taught what laws there are
CRIMINAL. YOU ARE CRIMINAL. 💀😂
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Let me repeat, I was not taught the laws for the country that I live in. 😂
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But he knows how Henry the 8'th killed his women.
Bro, if you read the message at 3:30 … it’s quite clear that this ain’t a lawyer or an attorney. There are grammatical errors, inconsistencies-just gives the vibes of those scam calls from the “IRS” or “the police.” I love how the messager managed to miss the actual potential change (libel).
Lmao, "your activity on a Reddit"
* double spaces at the start of sentences *
@@realNom2mooncow that's normal in a lot of places
@@thebe_stone Really? I didn't know that. What places use it?
@@realNom2mooncow when learning to write a formal document in school and at my first job I was taught that using double spaces are important to make your message more readable and clear. (I’m typing this on the train so sorry it’s not written well)
Really good video. I appreciate how you're looking at things from multiple angles and giving a more in-depth summary rather than jumping to conclusions when so much is still unknown.
Hey, I wanted to write this comment! (I guess I was too slow. :( )
@@essurio Hey, I wanted to write this reply! (I guess I was too slow. :( )
While i do agree with you with his approach. He's still a pedo for fucking a 16 year old while he was 22
@@TheRealSpiderMew yea its still mad weird despite whatever might be legal in his country
06:00 I swear sometimes people forget that just because something is legal, doesn’t make it moral.
I think in this instance it's way more egregious than simply forgetting. Maybe the issue is it isn't called out enough? I do wonder how much anonymity of the internet has perpetuated this and these people in public wouldn't dare to share this opinion.
fuck morality its such bullshit especially in this day and age where people use it as an excuse to shit on others (not talking about this situation)
.. this guy gets it.. the system is sooooo fucked lol..
5 years difference doesnt make it moraly wrong.. 7 and up? Sure yeah. FFS Ive seen 14 year old girls date dudes who are 4 years their senior here in South Africa when they are in the same highschool? They way these videos talk it seems ppl have to be born mere seconds apart to date these days to make it "morally" acceptable. GTFO
@@FearfulEntertainment It's not just the age gap though, it also depends on the specific ages. So a 15 year old and a 20 year old is weird.
The video doesn't at all imply what you said but I think you know that.
I don't care how many 14 year olds date 18 year olds you have seen, that is incredibly weird.
As European I was absolutely disgusted by wedding of 48yo dude and 18yo (they even had a baby before she turned 18) and he married her few days after her 18th bday. She run from home because parents did not approve of their relationship AND she even left school. His comments when he was called p*do: “she told me she was older and for her age she was very mature.” Please hold my hair while I 🤢
IN THE BUCKET ASSHOLE
Bruh that’s nasty.
Eyuchk. 48 and 18 is PUSHING IT. Understatement.
48 and 28 is still kinda eyuchky but at least theyre both ADULTS
@@CloverPandaQ Still weird for me tbh. I just find a 20 year gap too much.
Someone interested in a 17 or 18 year old cannot be a p*do. Maybe educate yourself before trying to have a conversation about it.
The post being deleted can have several meanings:
1. The poster is being sued
2. They lied
3. They accomplished their goal of harming the target, hence the post isn't needed anymore
It's fishy from start to finish, which is why I'm quite on the fence (yet again) when it comes to believing them.
I mean...it would not be the first time someone throws dirt just to get back at someone.
I just hope we actually get to figure out the truth eventually.
this, honestly this shit fucks with the mental health of real victims, and we should shame them for their lies
The reddit account replied to another youtuber and said they took it down because they accomplished their goals in ruining his reputation and didn't want to be involved with internet drama. So it's number 3
I mean if anyone believes this stuff
They are dense as hell,
'Cuz the post was textbook Reddit BS.
If they were serious about this
They did a piss poor job.
@@garycannon2887 nice to know it's fake.
@@garycannon2887 I mean.... that doesn't really confirm it's number 3. it could still be a lie and they just gave that as a reason
he vanished from youtube about 4 years ago because he's been struggling with depression for years. These allegations sound like someone intended harm, knowing there wasn't going to be any fight back, and once their goal was achieved, deleted their post.
I can say as a European from England where boy in a band was born you would never find anyone publicly broadcasting that they're dating a 16 year old if they're 20 or older. Everyone morally looks down on people like that
As they should
Yeah, people won't immediately go to police or anything but it's definitely not something to boast about.
even dating someone younger than you by just 2 years between the ages of 15-22 is looked at sceptically n nonce is thrown around a lot. nevermind a 6 year difference when you're 23.
@@georgias7299 2 years is all right imo
@@georgias7299 nah nobody is sceptical about 20/22. You're right about 16/18 and 17/19 though.
Bro, I'm TOTALLY with you on European laws. It's still nasty for someone who's 20 years old to be dating a 16 year old or 15 year old. That's like- NO... Just no... 💀💀
a 4 year age gap...really isn't that big of a deal. those same laws that the OP waves away, are also the same laws that define what a "LITERAL CHILD" is or isn't.
It's weird to say that you're a literal child at 17 years 364 days old, and now you're NOT a LITERAL CHILD a day later.
the cultural imperialism of flexing the united states as the superior culture is kinda.... wild. (especially when many states have laws to protect those same relationships here as well.)
@@ExarchGaming you are all over this page defending this. Do you want to tell the class something?
@@ExarchGaming turning 18 only makes you an adult LEGALLY, that does NOT mean you're on the same level as someone in their 20s. I still consider 18 year olds children.
@@ExarchGamingyes it is, when it comes to someone that young. Children, teens, and young adults grow up very quickly. There is a huge difference between a 12 year old and a 16 year old. Now compare that to a 32 year old and a 36 year old, their maturity levels are more similar. You can’t just say “it’s a very short age gap” without taking this into consideration.
@@anaionescu8913 Sure, but when people say "L:ITERAL CHILDREN" they're referring almost exclusively to anyone more than a day away from turning 18. That's my only point. It's as arbitrary of a thing as what he feels the responses or criticism he got were.
Our brains aren't even fully developed until we're like 25. Why the state decided 18 was the magical number is beyond me, or anyone else that thinks way too far in to it.
I live in UK and everyone I know my age (24) thinks 18 year olds are babies.
And I think it still would be illegal if she sent him nudes,
I am 31 and work at a theme park, all the 16-18 year olds are infants to me. No way could I view them as a viable sexual partner at my age.
I'm about to turn 19 and my youngest friend is 15 (he's like my little brother) and my oldest friend is 25... Lol. People saying stuff like this is always strange to me because maturity varies from individual to individual. I try to respect everybody, even my 10 year old nephew gets treated like my equal when he's with me as long as he's respectful. 18 year olds aren't 'babies.'
@@CinnamonCaramelStick I’m sure the use of the word “babies” is just an exaggeration, you can regard someone as immature and still be respectful of them. I would argue not viewing them as sexual beings is the most respectful you can be. If 1 in 100 15year olds aren’t mature enough to consent to sex, then we shouldn’t have sexual interaction with ANY of them, even if the 99 are. It’s to protect those that aren’t ready yet, this is why those laws exist. Anyone who says “depends on the individual” is usually just trying to justify their attraction to young people. I’ll keep viewing 16-17 year olds as “babies” to protect them.
@@CinnamonCaramelStick I think the comment isn't calling 18 year olds babies in regards to general maturity per se, but regarding a sexual/romantic lens. They're not saying 18 year olds are dumb or that they don't have anything of value to say due to immaturity or that they're less. It's not about that. What people are pointing out is that when you are in your twenties most people will see 18 year olds as "babies" in the sense that you can't really consider them in a sexual/romantic light due to them being and looking so young in your eyes. Give it a couple of years and I think you will think the same.
@@vichentez I mean, I can't say much, because I got exposed to sex against my will at 8 years old by a 9 year old relative and I don't know where he learned it from 🤷♀️ I've always been sexually aware and knew more about sex than any of my peers and most adults I know. But I think I remember when I was 16 I was ready to find a man and have children and when I turned 17 I was glad I didn't. I definitely think 17 year olds can grasp the concept of consent and consent, and that maybe even some mature 16 year olds can, but I usually draw the line at 17. I started dating my boyfriend when he was 20 and I was 17. He didn't know my age at first and vice versa and I was always more mature than him and the controlling one in the relationship 🤷♀️ Since I had my consent taken from me as a child numerous times I should know better than anyone that my boyfriend isn't grooming me. Maybe we should be more concerned about other children being predatory to children like what happened to me and where they're learning this from. My worst SA experience was actually with someone 3 years younger than me but stronger than me (when I was 15 no less, yes, I was SA'd by a 12 year old) and that's like... Societally unpresented and I wish there was even a niche community to talk about it but I've found nothing. All I can do is try to not raise my kids to be creepy as fuck and to not expose them to anything. Not defending BoyInABand, I do agree that that age gap is way too big, but 18 vs 22 isn't a big age gap and should be normalized again. I'm sexually active with my boyfriend. There's nothing weird or gross about it. Wish someone would take notice of how these kids are growing up too fast in my generation in a more scary way than anyone seems to have realized yet.
I'm sure you get this a lot, but it deserves to be said again: your objectivity is really appreciated, I'm really happy to find another youtuber that does this kind of content, it also helps that you have a very enjoyable personality. You're doing good work.
Yeah I hope he'll do a vid on Exurbia as well. There're a lot of evidences but I still wish to know more about it in a clearer manner. Plus it deserves to be known.
"objectivity" when he's specifically framing the narrative to suit his bias, and overlooks simple facts like the age of consent in a majority of US states is 16 (and claiming the US is doing something right based on his assumption that it was 18 ). There's nothing objective here.
Objectivity is when you parade out a bunch of unknowns that make a person look like a monster then you shrug your shoulders and go "But we don't really know!"
@@arvinrunstein5707 Bro he literally talked about how most the shit against him had no evidence. And that the only real concrete thing we know is that he was in a relationship with a child as an adult. I don't know or care if the rest is real or not. Hes a piece of shit for being in a relationship with a child as an adult.
the thing is, age of consent in my country, poland, is 15 but it means that ONLY people under 18 can engage in sexual activities with OTHER people that are under 18 but above 15, legally (and morally) speaking, you need to be 18 in order to be able to consent to sexual activites with another +18 person
That has always sounded like a more plausible interpretation of the law. I've been trying to figure out whether the same applies to my country of if age of consent is just age of consent, period.
Same in Germany and all of Europe..Americans don't get the laws.. it's a lil bit ridiculous
It is not the same in all of Europe. For example in Finland the age of consent is 16, anyone under it are allowed to have sex together and anyone reaching the age of 16 is basically considered as an "adult". Only the people in position of power like teachers, coaches etc. aren't allowed to be together with teens under 18yo. Usually just the social pressure keeps people away from each other, if their age gap is considered to be too large.
@@rordaik nope,you don't get it right age of consent doesn't mean... It's legal to sleep with someone over 18
@@Hannah-Hi it literally means that here. It is completely legal to sleep with a 50yo once you have turned 16 and have therefore reached the age of consent. It doesn't apply everywhere, but for example here in Finland, it does.
Lets rag on him for being a douche canoe to partners and friends. But dont do false crap to try and get clout. That's my take.
Either way hes been offline for years so this does Nothing
what makes this even fishier is the post has since been deleted so more then likely it was a smear campaign against someone who can't defend themselves
Yeah I think that's the weirdest part is to post about it now since he's like never around anymore.
I get someone can always cause harm but what were they hoping to accomplish? Get him in prison? Because good luck with that you'll be damned to find any good evidence. Be exiled from a community? He's already on the fringes of that community since he's not always around.
I can imagine taking a long time to come to terms with what happened I just always think of what you hope to achieve
Did he leave youtube before or after the letter on reddit?
@@7Mushrooms7 way before the letter on reddit dave disappeared
the fact they deleted their post just SCREAMS they lied or something fishy was going on, also the fact they chose to now step forward when no one has heard from Dave online in years and seems to know he's not online to defend himself seems even more fishy to me
Bro being 25 now, anyone under 21 is a child to me. And I’d never date anyone under 23. Over two years is just too big an age gap for me. I can’t imagine how anyone would defend dating a 16 year old
bro RIGHT??! "bububut 🥺 its technically legal" im 22 and shrivel up at the thought of dating a 18/19 y/o and it would be perfectly legal where i live 😭 how in the world do ppl find ways to justify dating actual CHILDREN
Im 36 and youre a child to me so..... 6 years isnt a huge gap. not by a long shot.
Wow you’re a hero keeping kids safe!
"And I’d never date anyone under 23." That's absolute bs and you know it.
@@shizenkv They're not actual CHILDREN if they're 18-19, you're 22 ffs, you need to stop acting like you're in any shape of form more mature than a 19 year old because from the way you type, you're no different than most "CHILDREN".
When I was 13 and I started having relationships my parents didn't care for the ages I was dealing with. There was never less than a 5 year gap with who I was dating. A 30 year old even started dating me as I turned 16. Is it legal here? Yes... At least after 16 it is legal. But I still feel now that I'm older that the adults in my life have failed me. I really believe they should have seen that an age gap that big is a huge red flag and I wish they protected me. It would save me from a lot of mental shit im dealing with today..
im in the same exact boat as you actually. i really want to blame it on like "oh theyre older and more traditional, it was more normalized in their day" which is true, to an extent but i still feel like if i was a parent that would be a massive red flag.
Where u live?! It's not legal... It's legal for ages between 14-18 ... It's not legal for a 30 year old and under 18.. understand the laws ,dude
And yeah I'm from Europe.
You're beeing manipulated into thinking it is legal
@@Hannah-Hi countries in europe have anything from 13 to 18 as the legal age. in my country norway it is 16
@@Hannah-Hi a 50 year old can bang a 16 year old here and it is legal (but still nasty)
@@Hannah-Hi It is legal in lots of places... 16 usually being "old" enough.. But even in the places its legal the fact he boasted about it on a track, tells me theres something a bit off with him because EVERY adult i know would be finished with him. They know its looked down upon.. Maybe he got his kicks from "hiding in plain sight".
Thank you for making this video update! I did see that the letter was gone and iNabber also thought perhaps the person was being sued, which you mentioned, it's just so weird. Wonder if we'll ever find out what happened?
Actually, thinking about it what if dave has ZERO idea this is happening
with his mental health the way it is its not unreasonable to think is parents didn't tell him and If he's on a blanket socials hiatus with his typical behaviour being to isolate himself it's not completly unreasonable in this situation that dave hasn't broken his silence because he doesn't even know there's anything to speak on
Good chance it's not the case but it is an option
No, he’s still friends with a lot of active RUclipsrs and social media influencers. I can guarantee they’ve told him by now. He knows exactly what’s going on.
@@Catglittercrafts oh is he? I wasn't aware, honestly I haven't seen anything of him since he left so assumed he was just AWOL
@@Catglittercrafts Not necessarily true,
This drama is rather small for RUclips drama,
So it's not likely it'd follow him into his real life yet.
Most likely he knows little to nothing about it.
@@Catglittercrafts Yes, make assumptions with confidence and that makes it fact. Good on you.
06:00 bro, the "American thinking" is not the fact that you believe that age gap may be troublesome, it's the fact that you believe it should be a universal truth because it's just what Americans believe. Europe is (thankfully) not the USA.
For starters, in more than half of the american states, the age of consent is also 16, so legally the US isn't even that different in this regard. Now think about this: a 17yo is a minor and still in high school, and a 19yo is an adult maybe at university or already working full time. I suppose, with your logic, the 19yo can't "gain consent" from the 17yo child despite they being almost the same age and equally mentally developed, just because one is a minor? On another note, can we stop thinking of people who are 16 as "children"? They don't magically become full adults when they become 18, the process is a lot slower and more gradual than this and you know it. Also, the US has no problem letting them drive and risk other people's lives on the road or putting them in the workforce, that's a lot more adult responsibilities that they can have in most european countries. Hell, in Colorado, for example, law allows children as young as 9 YEARS OLD to work. I can see how the US definitely cares a lot about the well being of children. I wonder why american morals and laws aren't universal...
Speaking of mental development, the average person is fully mentally developed at around 25yo, so a 16yo isn't mentally developed, yeah, nor is an 18yo, 22yo and I'd argue some people have trouble even long after that age. So should we make the age of consent 25? It is true that the older the person becomes, the more developed they should be, but that doesn't mean they will automatically use that development to take advantage of younger people at all. It happens, of course, but so does every other bad, immoral, and even illegal thing that could happen to a person.
Also, the age of consent in real life and human relationships is USELESS. Studies say that, in the US specifically, roughly 35% of people had their first experience before they were 16. 1 of every 3 people could NOT legally give consent, yet they still did it. How could that happen? Because the age of consent is not what you think it is, it's more of a guide for people to follow than an unbreakable moral and legal rule, but in the end the actual issue is not the age (except below 13) but rather how society acts on it, and of course the fact that abuse is possible in all relationships regardless of age because one of them treating the other horribly doesn't start being an issue only when one of them is slightly underaged. Fun fact, do you care to know what studies say about the first experiences among the British population? Around 30% for people younger than 16. In a european country, full of weirdos as you say, where the age of consent is 16, people below this age seem to engage in less sexual acts than in the USA where, as you know, some states have an even higher age of consent. Again, this all comes down to society. British people seem to understand and respect the age of consent a little better than americans do. Not bad for the weirdos.
You americans need to learn not to be so polarized and self centered on everything. Not everything is black and white, right or wrong, moral or immoral... And americans don't have the right answers to anything just because they're americans. The views on many issues differ a lot from country to country. You think a young adult dating a consenting minor is disgusting? Ask east asian people how they feel about westerners losing their virginity before adulthood. People are different, cultures are different, and views on many issues are different. That's how it is and that's how it will always be.
Very good and solid video nonetheless, but swing at my fellow europeans and I'll defend them every time, more if you're american. Only us europeans are allowed to attack other europeans.
I think it’s odd that you use the phrase “literally a child” for a 17 year old. Yes, at 17 you are still technically not a full grown adult, but in a year or so from that you’d graduate and get a job. Were as a real “literal Child” would still be learning their multiplication table.
I think there is an acknowledgeable difference there. Not to mention, it’s not like Dave was in his late twenties or even thirties then, but instead early twenties. Plus, we don’t even definitively know if they had a explicit sexual relationship or not.
Pedophilia, has been thrown around as a default for any somewhat complex situation regarding relationships and law. When in actuality pedophilia is when an adult rapes or sexually abuses a minor (think 5-10 year olds). And, though I personally don’t agree with BoyInABand’s actions if the statements are found to be true, I think there is a debatable line there.
1.Pedophilia is a adult being attracted to a child that is pre pubescent there is one or two more terms that describes post puberty but I don't know what they are
2. Your brain does not fully mature until about 25
3. In the uk even if you are passed 16 and/or living own your own if you are under the age of 18 you are LEGALLY A CHILD
4. THAT IS NOT ALL THEY SAID HE DID the so called "victims" also claims lots of other stuff
5. We don't know when they started dating/met so it can still be grooming
6. It's a 6 YEAR AGE GAP that my not seem like much but then why don't we let the 6 and 12 year Olds date "but that make no sense they 12 year old are way more mature" yes and a 22 is more mature the a 16/17 year old; so unless you think that a 6/7 can date a 12/13 a 16/17 year old should not date a 22 year old
7. I don't care if he did it or not and am own NO ONES SIDE so don't twist my words
@@ananyachopra31976. Obviously, not all year gaps are the same. 22 to 16 is still somewhat big, but it's ridiculous to compare it to 6 to 12 or 56 to 62.
As a 22 year old European I find anyone under age 20 undateble, i think of them as kids without life experience. But at the same time when I was 17 I dated a 21 year old and he was the one to bring up that it was wrong of us to date, so we ended things when he found out how young I was.
At least that person was trying to be respectful and responsible. It's perfectly normal for kids and teens to have crushes on ppl older than them but it's up to the adult in the situation to keep that polite distance.
@@MsDecens yeah it is, but I have sadly experienced people “adults” who didn’t take responsibility for them being the adult, having a relationship with a minor all the way back to the time I was 14. Which is sad that a large part of the male population in my experience lack the knowledge not to date a minor or someone largely younger than themselves.
@@JustAnzia yeah ur right, like im 16 and i know guys who are like 16, 17 and even 18 who try to fw like 13 and 14 year olds and its disgusting bro
wait, what do you mean "when he found out how young I was", he was dating you without knowing your age?
@@Clone-up2ge i look older than i am
Firstly I'm aware that something not being illegal doesn't make it moral. I'm a person that was SA'd at a very young age by my older sisters friend at the local childrens play area that was literally 2mins from my home.
Now that my personal info is broadcast to the interwebs... it kind of is "American thinking" though when the UK doesn't have "sophomores" - secondary education is from approx 11-16 then further education is post 16 which includes what the UK call college (not the same thing as college in America) higher education is university so the equivalent of the American idea of college so using terminology that reflect the American education system literally constitutes the idea of "American thinking"
I don't even know anything about Dave or BoyinaBand and have never heard about this creator before now so my response has absolutely eff all to do with what they have or haven't done but when you are taught in schools that the legal age of consent is 16 from primary school age and the secondary education system make a very big deal about it too with personal and social education classes about things like sexual health and related issues and would that seem questionable to someone that is taught with the standpoint of 18 being the age of consent - yeah, clearly.
To any other country where the age of consent is 16 they just end up biting their tongue because saying "Oh but she is of the age of consent" results in backlash, being called a predator themselves or being branded a sympathiser by people that live in countries where the age of consent is higher.
In the UK however there are extra stipulations in the law that relate to 16 and 17 year olds in which it is illegal to:
-Take explicit photos or videos of someone under the age of 18.
-Pay for sexual services from someone under the age of 18.
-Take part in sexual axtivity with someone under the age of 18 if you are in a position of trust: so teacher, social worker, doctor, care worker.
-... 🤔Take part in sexual activity with someone under the age of 18 if they are a ...member of your family!
(OK, enough internet for today... wtf... it clearly has been a case that has happened if it needed to be stipulated in case law so i'm sorry )
I'm not sure whether the law intends to change to cover online influencers into this category of being in a position of trust due to them being influencers but I certainly am interested to see how that plays out, laws have to change and adapt to the times at least they do in the UK. I've seen countless auditor videos on RUclips with some Americans coming up against cops in traffic stops like "I'm a sovereign citizen, I don't NEED to have a license to drive a car" like dude, clearly that law was created in a time where people were driving around horse and carts not a big hunk of fucking metal that can kill someone pretty easily!! Sheesh!
But I digress, I will look forward to seeing how the law in the UK adapts (if at all) to cover social media influencers, I do believe it should though personally, there's clearly an imbalance of power in a situation involving a 16 or 17 year old and a social media influencer with thousands if not millions of subscribers/fans/followers.
Sorry about the length of this comment.
I'm not using this as a justification for anything else he was caught doing/accused of, but I don't think that community post poll should be used as evidence against him in the way you're using it. Just a thought as someone who considered myself a fan of his (and maybe still do. I won't condemn him without his side of the story or proper evidence against him): Dave is someone who uses dry humor. I 100% believe that the community post poll about his meds was not meant to be taken seriously. Read the full post. He said he was sharing his experience with medication, therapy, and mental health issues because seeing honest things like that from other people on the internet has helped him in the past. He says how his psychologist recently suggested that he up his meds from 10mg to 15mg and that he had started doing that per their guidance. So he wasn't asking fans for advice on his meds because he already got it from his doctor, and following a doctors advice on meds doesn't sound like substance abuse to me. He was trying to help himself and do the right thing to get better. To follow all that up with a legitimate "Hey, should I just OD tho" doesn't fit. The question and poll at the end was meant to be a joke. You can argue if it was in good taste or not; the implications of a parasocial relationship, etc. But it wasn't him "asking children for medication advice".
Furthermore, I started watching him as an older teen/young adult. Judging by the dialogue that I observed in the comment section of his videos, most of his fans were/are that age as well and even older. He did analytical videos, music content, and social commentary. He swore and spoke of adult centric topics - not necessarily explicit, just political and social things that children don't care about. It's not like he was making Kidz Bop raps. To dumb it down to him having "an audience of children" just because it's convenient to provide something "damning" given the current situation is a mischaracterization of the facts.
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personally, I watched him as a kid. 13-15 the whole video about school is what truly made him blow up. Because of this you completely ignore the point of the video.:(
@@emmag1754 thats you. Theres many whom cared for Dave beyond one song, he did a ton more. Good work despite at the cost of his own health. And before the tea channels decided to suddenly gavel him guilty based off bs, he had managed to gain over 1.5m followers despite stopping his posting. Also, he didnt disappear. Im not going to be the one to out him, but trust many know exactly where to find him and as of 4-5 months ago, was even on a stream. Have some empathy, Christ.
I appreciate that this post was not belittling and was very constructive cuzz at the end of the day this is a person we're talking about. a person who, did some bad shit and a person who's been through some bad shit, as the internet I understand that the hate and pride of people ither defending him to the grave or people hating his guts will live on and thrive here (the internet) look Dave's no Jeffery dumer but he has done so morally questionable things that made me stear my opinion about him and it upset me to know that he did that however there another side of that just can't fully hate and bring digest to the table at least without hearing his side of the story, has he changed is he the same semi predator? I can't honestly say for sure not till we hear from Dave, do I think that Dave is the scum of the earth no absolutely not that's unreasonable to have such a stance, however I am sadded by his actions that HAVE come to light on what he's done in the past (dating a minor no matter the law in the country)
Look here's my closing point, all we can do is hope that people be better instead of wishing they burn into the hellscapes, all we can do is hope people become better as time moves on recognize the fucked up actions but also understand that their a human being just like your and me
And for my final thoughts on Dave
He should have known better and what he did (as of what we know as fact right now) was horrible, however my personal mentality is that I know people can change ither for better or for worse I always hope it's for the better
And yes I do understand that I did a closing statement and a final thoughts I make no sence I know :v
Hug your friend tell your ma you lover her and all that good stuff
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(If you don't have a puppy then like idk your lizard? ferret? Whatever pets you might own)
I never liked him when I met him, not that it’s a valid argument, he just came off as a bit of a narcissist
Not European but it is interesting how many American RUclipsrs seem to believe that the age of consent is 18 in the US when it is in fact 16 in most states, not to mention how child marriages is still legal in almost every state.
No American is thinking that, if anything they know that they just don’t think it’s ok.
Rather the ammericans think that their laws are global xD
@@fjalarhenriksson As an American, I completely agree. Drives me insane. Other laws and cultures exist. If you want to debate the morality of a situation, take into account culture, law (of where it took place), time period, etc. It's not cut and dry and just arguing "Well, I wouldn't be comfortable with it and it's not legal in the U.S." is a non-argument that does nothing but show a lack of education on the topic.
@@botanicalitus4194 So, by your definition, they are still a child because they are still in high school, correct? In the UK they complete secondary education (what the U.S. calls high school) at 16 rather than 18. Therefore, no longer in high school.
In most states? Idk but i feel that in Europe its almost gone. Or if the 16yo becomes pregnant the state will make them legally adults
My conspiracy theory is that this “group of victims” isn’t even even a group of victims, but instead people who know Rachel and wanted to shame her publicly for one reason or another (that’s why they used her name so willingly) so they used her being abused as leverage. They had little to no evidence because they were trying to muddy the scenario to force either Rachel or Dave to publicly come out and clarify which parts were true and which parts weren’t.
I know I sound bonkers but that’s just my brain’s thought process. This is a super weird situation tho and Dave is definitely gross.
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Edit 2: further clarification
It's not crazy to think about. It happens. There are people out there that will use a persons abuse to humiliate them under the guise of "Helping" or "doing the right thing." The number is a little bigger than what good nature & optimism would have you believe. Yet, smaller than what distrust & pessimism will scream at you.
@@zyhurbeelzebub6213 yeah exactly. I’ve had people in the past use my trauma to humiliate me, but under the guise of wanting to support me and “raise awareness” so this was just giving all the alarm bells to me
But doesnt Rachel herself say he abused her? But yes I don't believe there's that many victims as the letter said.
So the video boils down to… "the Dave situation is itching me and I gotta say something about it… it’s weird dating a 16 year old as a 22 year old, who cares what part of the world you’re in? Also the account that posted the lies deleted it but they’re still active so??? That means something right???? Uugh I wish Dave would just come out of his hiatus and make a statement I can meticulously pick apart word for word to hopefully get him in a lie hahah! That would make my channel explode for sure! Not that he has to do that, you know the justice system who upholds the laws I just said shouldn’t matter? They exist for a good reason you know! But in conclusion dating a 16 year old is weird! Not illegal where he lives but so weird and gross and she can’t give consent, I refuse to accept it! He told her to sing "take me without consent" 🤢🤢🤢 literally??? Man he must be a pedo creep, even though I won’t use that word cuz much ad revenue. I know the info against him is fake but like… SHES 16 AND HES SILENT"
Or something like that. Let it go dude.
Bingo. It drives me crazy how quickly tea channels dehumanize an entire life for revenue. Theres comments even naming other people to go after, its disgusting.
I agree. This channel is literally profiting off of rumors and speculation. It’s like, what if they end up being false, and everyone ends up calling BoyInABand a pedo simply because of rumors and videos like these that won’t give it up. Not to mention, the letter is sketchy as fuck anyways
@@dead_ones i saw someone left a comment to a post pointing out similar glaring holes with the opening like “Im not going to say how old i am, but im under 15...”.. then leaves a lengthy comment talking with such empty confidence saying all this is 100% true.. etc.. adhoms.. finishing off with calling him essentially the most vile specimen ever.. i look at their YT.. made in 2012 with a little description its an alt and redirecting to a main channel. So under 15 with an alt made in 2012? Bro we got 4 year old warriors out here apparently. When its come to scraping bottom of the barrell with such Amber Heard like tactics like straight lying.. idk what to say. Terminally online has never been as true or toxic.
Where did you get the idea that Dave's followers are children? Just curious. I did start following him at around age 16 but that was about 5 years ago.
Thank you. Dave NEVER catered to kids. Its a stupid assumption bc he made a few spngs with animators. His social commentary on mental health is not for children. Nonsense.
@@HaraQuinn Yeah I remember a lot of the videos he used to make were just him reading articles, something children would harldy find appealing (considering the amount of more "exciting" stuff out there).
@@EddyConejo 🗿 but YOU liked it as a kid
@@goofy3517 I liked it when I was 16-17 but not *because* I was 16-17. I've always been the out-of-the-loop guy when it comes to entertainment and music and that stuff.
His content is not really aimed at teens; one'd think gaming, scientific experiments, challenges, etc., would fit better in that genre. His content is (or used to be) mostly studies, satire and social science.
@@EddyConejo BTW, I think that you meant "genre" instead of "gender" in that context.
I'm from the UK, the age difference is degusting. If someone finds themselves defending it just because it's technically legal then we know what kind of creeps they are I suppose.
Exactly, don't know why he had to label the whole of Europe the way he did when we all know that its the age difference thats disgusting. Just because the law says its legal, doesnt mean that suddenly British people think paedophilia is ok.
@@monkaeyes3417 I think he was responding to the people that were defending it in the comments and saying that it was legal.
@@rxsOwO "Thank you for making me experience patriotism for the first time" "Its good to know that we are doing something way better on this side of the pond"
Devils advocate here. Laws exist for a reason. The age of consent wasn't created to help pedophiles prey on young people-quite the opposite. It was created to protect them. Just because it can be exploited in some cases doesn't mean it's automatically bad and should be abolished. Also, the law doesn't have perfect answers for everything. There are plenty of things that are legal but may be considered morally questionable or just wrong by many (like, for example, the legality of gambling).
@@monkaeyes3417 Bro, the thing you proposed is even more flawed than existing laws. Not even mentioning that preventing someone WHO IS ADULT and in the eyes of the law can do anything he/she wants including going to war and killing people from dating someone is kinda moronic. I know people who are almost 30 and act like they are 16 and I know people who are 16 and acts like they are 30. Why? Because in the end age doesnt dictate if someone is smart or not. But we as society decided that being 18 years old is enough to become responsible for your own decisions.
I will come here not to talk about Dave. Bit to hipefully have people use their brains a little.
1. People out here pretending men 22 dating 16 is rare. It is not. Painfully not.
2. Dating that way is certainly weird. But not inherently bad. You need to know the relationship between these two people to trully know if it's healthy or not. Because it can be.
Thoughts on Dave. If I heard correctly, the dating the 16yo was in 2011. And it seems to be your MAIN clinging point. Like mentioned throughout a bunch of times. Honestly, that bird's flown already. Its been 11 years...
Lastly, no, he doesnt need to break his hiatus bc of this. His fans are entitled to shit. Like, sure they give him his platform and support. They can take it away. And its not like he is using it right now.
VERY weird from you to say rhat. Sounded very unhealthy
I agree, he doesn’t owe anyone a response, especially considering his absence from the internet before the letter got written.
And I do think that people acting like he’s a full blown pedo who seeks out “children” are actually doing harm even though they might not realize it.
Not necessarily OKing that specific age gap relationship, but I do think that trying to equate someone having an age gap relationship when they were 22 over 10 years ago with someone who habitually and continually seeks out literal children just dilutes the seriousness of the latter.
I understand the people with trauma related to that might feel strongly about it but it’s still a really bad move to just strip all nuance away from the discussion and pretend everything exists in neat orderly shades of black and white.
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In the US, 44 states still allow child marriages, with conditions like parental or judicial consent. 6:13
Worse still we don’t allow abortions to children who have been assaulted
This is the only commentary channel I can watch where I get an example of Phoenix Wright used in the middle of it, absolute Chad shit my dude
I was abt to say that too lmao
Why do you assume a physical letter means they revealed their identity to him, and lost their anonymity?
You can send anonymous letters…
I'm guessing its because the OP of the reddit post said that Dave knows who they are due to sending the letter so it sounds like if they sent said letter they put their name?
The letter itself, content or style, could possibly have made it clear to him
Proof of guilt automatically because if it didn’t happen then he wouldn’t know who it was based on the events in the letter
Well if you have 30 exes, and they say their dozens of your exes...
@@ollieollieoctopus4035 theres no proof they actually did send the letter, they only claimed to, like every other piece of “evidence” its just a baseless claim
22/23 year old with a 16/17 year old is yucky as it is but its even yuckier when I put the age gap into context that I can put into picture. Two examples:
1. That would mean someone two years older than me at present would be sleeping with someone the age of one my younger cousins. As she lives with us now, I can speak from two viewpoints: a past 17 year old and a present 20 year old who interacts with a 17 year old daily. No matter how mature a 17 year old considers themselves/is, they are not mature enough to consent to a relationship with a 20+ year old.
2. I'm a 20 year old getting my bachelors degree, in my 5th semester. Majority of my classmates are in the same age range(20-21). So, a 22 year old would be, following the same math, in 7th-9th semester of college (or you know, possibly graduated from college if the course is of 4 years). Similarly, a 16 year old is a 10th grader. And a 17 year old is a 11th, at most 12th grader. So we have:
• Worst case scenario: A 10th grader with a college graduate.
• 'Best' case scenario: A 12th grader with a 4th year bachelor student.
Neither is good.
And I've probably messed up the math somewhere considering I think I kept Dave at 22 even when Rachel would've been 17. But the situation is yuck as it is and I don’t want to put myself through editing the math when the existing one still proves my point.
Rachel was 16 when she started dating him and they first met when she was 14.
@@socialdemocracyisntsocialist That's even worse.
@@Saphia_ Yes I know. Dave is really terrible human being.
As a 19 yearold from the UK, i have 16 yearold friends while i'm in collage and yk what..they look like little babies to me- I could never eugh.
So far the only things Dave has basically 100% confirmed to have done are: Be depressed, date a 16 year old (which was questionable, but not illegal), and make some edgy lyrics and jokes while making a 'gangsta rap' style song 8 years ago (meanwhile other gangsta raps talk about rape, drugs and guns all the time).
It's clear Dave hasn't always had a sparkling reputation, but him being depressed and going through an edgy phase almost a decade ago shouldn't be enough to condemn the guy and certainly doesn't account for everything he's been accused of.
Im with you. Now watch the descent of cancel vulture rats barely 15 try to gaslight you.
The one time I'll probably ever fully agree with someone who has a profile pic like yours
@@botanicalitus4194 first, your comments been suppressed. Whats with you guys unable to make an argument without being autoflagged? Second, she was 17. Its been pointed out numerous times critiquing why this guy keeps conveniently referring to her as 16 when she was 17. This is, of course, assuming theres any actual merit to any of this to be brought up 10 years later with NOTHING strong enough cept hearsay and a bitter ex (even THATS questionable bc that soy disstrack alluding to Dave as a sellout for working with a nahttzeeee Pewdiepie, was what began all of this.. and theres not even actual evidence THEY even dated).. its just so incredibleyou guys have nothing better to do then worry about a ten year old sitch that will go literally nowhere. And yes, law matters. Law is the difference between doing the right thing and calling the authorities.. but instead starting a brigade to cancel a guy. A guy, whos been absent for years due to his MDD. Convenient. You know.. Ukraine could use some coverage and help from the populous?
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And the accusations of an "inappropriate relationship with fans" is a little ridiculous to me. Every youtuber and streamer has a different relationship with their fans and it might have been an inside joke.
Not a funny one, but an inside joke nonetheless. One that others have literally no right to go on about.
The fact this youtuber has literally gone on and on about the 16 year old thing is laughable since there are literal places out there that have the age of consent at 12-14. Spread about that before even commenting on 16 year olds consenting.
In my country you can only date minors, if you're not more than 3 years older. Even if both are minors, the age gap can't be bigger than 3 years. So basically a 17 year old and a 20 year old in a relationship would be legal.
I don’t like that either.
Yes, Romeo and Juliet laws. US has them too. This is all virtue signaling nonsense a decade old.
@@Catglittercrafts you don't like anything
@@HaraQuinn In the US, Romeo and Juliet laws actually apply to people who met as kids, but then one became an adult before or during the relationship.
Other countries have age gap laws
@@Catglittercrafts Your preference. It is completely normal in some circumstances. Not when one person starts dating someone when they are adult and one is a minor, but when two are both minors, or both adults. Also, relationships are about love and support, not whatever sexual stuff yall are thinking about. Wierdos.
Why are you casually just hating europeans, and not even thinking about the age of consent in most of the US. Stop being so cringe. Also stop saying he is dating a "literal child" to make it seem like it's someone who is 10.
Dave not responding, in my eyes, is completely acceptable and fine. From my recollection, Dave actually didn't have sole control of his accounts (he said somewhere I think but I forget), so firstly, maybe hes locked out, and secondly, he most likely doesnt even know about the drama. He probably has deleted twitter during his hiatus, and also, the drama hasnt got super mainstream that its like "oh hey this is a thing" due to the decrease in love for cancel culture, and finally, its not really something his family or his friends are just gonna bring up, and maybe a part of his hiatus has been learning from the mistakes of dating young(ish) people. We never know why hes on hiatus, so his whole hiatus could literally be because he wants to better himself from this drama. Anyhow, great video man, keep up the good work!
Does he? Does he really want that?
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's really unlikely. He's literally being accused of dating minors. We should've heard SOMETHING from him by now.
idk man if my friend was being accused of domestic violence and grooming i'd be like "hey man have you seen this?"
If its true that the letter was mailed to him though, wouldn't he know about the allegations even before they dropped? not necessarily saying that's the case, this is a very fishy situation, but I dunno, I wouldn't put him on a pedestal.
@@user-gw8cw5di6c That might have been a lie they told too. We don't know.
@@moviesmemesandstuff2759 Nope, not minors, you are lying. If someone from Saudi Arabia saw you walking through the street without covering your face they would call you disgusting and immoral. If someone from America sees a legal consenting relationship under 18 they're disgusting and immoral. Welcome to reality, your entire morality and worldview is shaped by the culture you live in.
Im glad we waited because this is what happened with Pyro just for him to be proven innocent for some of the things he was accused for
Lmao I forgot about Pyro that was funny as hell (after it cleared up 💀)
I really appreciate your continued and balanced coverage of this
6:21 while it would be legal here (somewhere in Europe), it would be weird enough to get investigated just to be sure. I had a girl in my middle school who dated a guy 4 years older and everyone I've heard on the topic was incredibly disturbed by it. Rightly so; it is incredibly disturbing.
Eh, honestly never saw much wrong with the accusations anyway. Oh no, he dated someone younger than him. And? Given the state of the world, I'm gonna need something actually shocking.
10 years ago to boot. Talk about cancel culture for lulz. Cringe as heck
Im so entirely glad you are growing at the rate you are. The cohesiveness of how you put points together with sprinkled in jokes to make it a little lighter in situations that is otherwise pretty hard to hear and talk about. there are so many cut and dry sides on the internet from boyinabands fans defending him to the end of their lives and the other side that just says fuck him with literally no decent evidence or truth behind their points. so thankyou for being one of the few that actually looks at shit how it needs to be looked at and not just dogpiling
stfu libtard he's covering an obvious fake story for cloud, he's no better then keemstar
It's sad how many talented people turn out to be monsters...
Agree
Even so you could always see from his eyes that's he has always had terrible mental health and been super emotionally fragile, never seemed to have gotten his emotions under his control, that'll do that to a person
Most people in power are
Yeah well, who cares? The accusers are the ones at fault and most of them lie. I'm not changing my entertainment choices just so they can ''feel validated.''
@@georgemiser bro what
Not about boyinaband but rather another thing you mentioned.
There’s no universal opinion on what a “child” is and with leading politicians proclaiming marriage for 12 year olds in your country you should probably not die on the hill of a 16 year old being a “child”. I know where the cultural differences come from as someone who grew up between the USA and EU, but a country that executes 14 year olds being tried as adults, allowing “children” at 16-17 to die in war, yet want to control every other aspect of actually growing up like alcohol, sex, voting and medical rights needs to chill about cultural differences online and IN THEIR COUNTRY. Maybe whenever Americans actually find out what they think “children” are they could properly educate them and prepare them for becoming an adult gradually while actually protecting them!
When are Americans adults though when they are lacking in education, consensus and rhetorical skills. Never?
Again this is NOT about boyinaband but maybe think before dumbing on the rest of the world as someone from our sh*tty culture. 😒
Like it or not, 16 isn't a child over here.
Still fuckin weird
Great video. I do disagree on his silence being suspicious, however, and it's something I've realized following the revival of ProJared's career: it's probably better to wait until the fire dies down before you say anything.
The internet is pretty well known for violently lashing out normally, so imagine how bad it can get when you are actively in their scopes. People are gonna be less willing to listen to your side of the story when the internet currently hates your guts. So the smart thing to do would be to hold your tongue for a while, try to collect your receipts, and say something after the internet has mostly calmed down and moved on from it. Think of it like taming a wolf. If you had to choose to do it when the wolf is actively hungry and pissed off, or wait until it's full and calm?
None of this is to say that I think Dave is innocent, mind you. There's enough here for me to go "yeah, fuck him" and delete his songs from my Spotify playlist. I just don't think silence is a particularly suspicious part of the whole thing.
I mean but Projared did respond. He put out his side of thing. I think he has either 1. Be found out and just wishes to disappear so he doesn't get in real trouble, or 2. Hope if he stays quiet long enough and comes back everyone will forget.
@@harrisonhurst6480 ProJared did respond, but it wasn't until well after the backlash died down. That's what I'm saying.
@@PlayerZeroStart I mean... Its been 3 years... How long does he get?
@@harrisonhurst6480 3 years? This drama is 2 months old?
In Europe 17 year olds dating around 20 isn't that rare, they're often still in similar situations. Be it hitting the club, school (or university) etc. I get the appeal for the younger one, they're got their shit more together etc. But as somebody in the mid 20s 18 year olds just look so goofy and immature, would be too offputting for me.
Went way to long just to say 3ish year difference is fine, 6 is just creepy (18 and 24 gives me weird vibes already and before 17/18 such a big age difference is illegal as it should be imo)
I used to completely agree but tbh now im 22 and in the same class as 17-19 yr olds they are all a lot more mature and put together than me. I think it can depend whether you are at the same stage in life and whether or not you were looking for it
I'm glad to see you take the aproach of innocent until proven guilty instead of jumpng on the bandwagon of calling Dave guilty. You also make very good points about the immorality of his proven dating of a 16 year old when he was in way in his 20s be it legal or not it is still immoral. I think it makes sense for Dave to not say annything in all fairness as he can take his time to properly prove that he is innocent if that is the case, tho it is a difficult thing to do as you mention. I find this whole thing to be tough to look at from an unbiased place as Dave's music helped me through tough times in my life, I suppose I'll have to hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Over all your videos on this have been grate and informative. Keep up the good work.
I know a dozen 16-18 year olds much more mature than my 24-30 year old friends, girls and boys as well... Not that it justifies it, but age is not that important when the age gap is less than a few years
According to Jimmy Robin's definition of 'child', there are countries in Europe where children can vote. Also, a 6 year gap between partners is not unusual at all. My own parents are 6 years apart, and I know many couples with a similar age difference. There are many 16 year olds fully able to consent, as there are many 18 year olds who can't. I will not defend Dave in any way, but riding on this one argument and claim that it's morally wrong to date a 16 year old "child" (with 22), is really disturbing and hypocritical. Again, I don't defend anybody here! Also, I know I'm 9 months late to the discussion.
the whole "adult" argument is usually made by Americans thinking strictly from a legal pov rather than using common sense, while also thinking the American law applies everywhere else in the world
I personally disagree he did anything wrong (only half way though the video here so don't kill me in case I'm missing something lol) but I'm willing to believe I may just have a different opinion on this since I'm a year older than my gf and neither of us would ever consider me to be a r@pist for us being sexual when I was 18 and she was 17. We've been together for nearly 4 years now and neither of us would even think about that being an accusations you could levey against me
Edit: I'd like to add the reason it's immoral is the fact it was sexual ever, it's always immoral to be sexual with someone you aren't going to marry, I don't think it's wrong since they were both in college and had the same mental capacity, if you think age determines mental capacity you really don't know many people
How does Dave have so many young fans when he hasn’t been posting (at least on RUclips) for a few years now? Like how is he relevant to them at all?
I mean, I'm 23 but I think I started watching him when I would've been about 16. I don't really know if YOUNG people still watch him or if it's just us all collectively being weirded out as adults looking back on some of his sketchy relationships. I'm not sure.
Young? He doesnt cater to young people just bc of 2 songs. Have you actually looked at any of his informative commentary videos? Theyre not for kids.
not saying my age, but I'm under fifteen.
and I watch his videos, I'm not gonna unfollow him unless there is REAL proof.
yes, he did make weird relationships with a sixteen year old/his fans
that isn't really grounds to be considered real. because he confessed to that relationship, and everyone knows about it.
what I think would be real proof is if people have voice recordings or just SOMETHING
I don't think that Dave will come out about this. and for now I will not make my choice on whose side I will be on when this does eventually get worse.
until then, I'm just gonna pertend like it isn't real, I hate the fact that it could be...
and also wtf was wrong with Dave back then?
like he's fucked up now, but DAMN he was so fucked in the head back in 2011.
but hey, you can't blame him for being so fucked up! he wasn't taught what laws there were...
@@likes.of_oldcrows youre under 15? Did you make your 12 year old account when you were 3? Nice troll.
Does he have tons of young fans? I found him as an adult.
I agree, no one in their 20’s should be dating a 16/17 year old. But let’s be real, a 16/17 year old is not a child, and they don’t magically become an adult and learn to make smart decisions on their 18th birthday lmao.
Yeah it is weird but also the law allowed that stuff. Which means a lot of those people probably just grew up thinking that it was normal and OK.
Yeah I think it’s inaccurate to use “child” in this context. At least exclusively.
Yeah, everyone at age 13-17 are teens, I kinda hate how people use the word child a lot as if the word teenager doesn’t exist.
yes, I'm really sick of people pretending a 20 year old being attracted to a 17 year old would be the grossest, most pedophile thing ever.
He was never taught what laws there are 😔 I repeat, he was not taught the laws for the country he lives in, but he knows how Henry the 8th killed his women
I can't believe the CEO of YT is forcing you to give her massages everyday. Be strong!
Luckily she left, so this won't be happening anymore.
Hopefully.
I have a hunch, it's not based on any evidence in particular or anything but i feel like it's somewhat close to the reality of what is actually happening
so, i think Boyinaband DID do the things he's accused of but the scale and volume of it it's not as the open letter laid out, i'd think a mentally unstable and immature girl (and is also a fan) that could have experience those abuse from Boyinaband would likely exaggerate the story.
on the other side i think why Boyinaband isn't responding is because he's already stepped away from the internet anyway because of his mental problems and abandoning his "Boyinaband" brand would do minimal impact to him, and also since his actions are technically still legal he isn't really pushed and rushed to do anything, so yeah we either gonna just see this whole entire thing just fizzle out or Boyinaband get cornered by "something" and will give a statement eventually
The group chat screenshots were proof that the letter was massively exaggerated. For example what they consider a pattern of physical abuse was they read his journal and he had written about BDSM. His pattern of financial abuse was a woman did work for him and he paid her for it. An example of the abuse they suffered from him was they felt humiliated shopping with him because he only bought microwave meals and the cashier commented on it.
The real issues seem to be along the lines of what was said by his ex with the diss track, and that he will just stop contacting people when it's not working out.
All of the attention has been on how he was smeared as a pedo using the fact that he publicly dated the 17 year old when he was 23, and considering most have made their judgement clear they think he deserves to be labelled a grooming pedo regardless of any context of the relationship, there is no real reason for him to come back online to talk about it just because some youtubers think they are owed it.
He could highlight and clarify the context of the throwaway rape song being intended to mock pop song lyrics, and point out the obvious false allegations that were made, but it doesn't really matter what he would come out and say as it wont help his reputation anyway. It's a fact he dated the 17 year old and that is mostly what people take issue with
@@garycannon2887 beautifully laid out. Not to mention, he doesnt owe anyone anything unless authorities were involved.. which they wont be over such senseless drama. His ex was so salty jealous that dave became close with pewds. Her allegations towards just pewds was a hallmark of insanity. I feel no sympathy for cancel vultures. They disgust me, sorry.
@@garycannon2887 i'm sorry but the "His pattern of financial abuse was a woman did work for him and he paid her for it." is just really funny for some reason lol
As a 18 year old European, i also don’t agree with an age gap of 16-20. In my country once you turn 15 you can give sexual consent to someone 15-17 years old. At 18 the law is 18 and older. Then there is the gray area of cases where one person in a relationship turn 18 while the other person is still just 17 or 16, but let’s just leave that up for individual cases, shall we?
Yeah I don’t think a lack of response from a guy who hasn’t posted a video in like 3 years is odd i get the thing with his reputation being ruined but as weird as it may seem he may genuinely not know as he seems to be intentionally not using the internet cause it is toxic for him. Your other points i agree with him dating a 16 year old was gross. It has been like 10 years though so there’s no evidence he continued to do that. I’ll just wait for him to say anything before having an opinion, generally though i think the fact that nothing knew has come out kinda proves nothing happened, but who knows. Also could be he hasn’t said anything or they haven’t said anything cause a trial is going on or they are under threat of being sued which honestly if a crime did happen that’s how it should be handled.
No trial, far as i know. He did abandon his channel. But he was Harry Potter in ERB since, and also in MANY member only live streams of other creators up until 5 months ago. He has MDD and hes in a creative stunlock.. which im sure these conspiracy theories are doing nothing but keeping Dave offline officially even longer. He doesnt owe anyone, esp drama channels, anything. As you said, if there was actual dangerous context to this, it belongs in the hands of the authorities, which theres no actual 10 year old proof of anything besides hearsay. This nonsense is nothing but twitter cancel culture trying to destroy another guy. And an extremely sick one at that. Dave isnt tea. Notice how the worst, bad faith commenters never even say his name, and many spell just boyinaband wrong. Its so dehumanizing.
bruv a 16 year old is not "literally a child". You are not a child and 2 year later a full adult that is fully responsible. That's not how it works. Also in america there's the romeo and juliet law that allows some relationships of 16 years old with 18 or 19 years old. So your own argument doesn't work within the states or anywhere in the world. We just need to know if what he was doing was legal or not. If it was then your moral judgement has zero value or any meaning.
Don't get me wrong, Dave dating a 16 yo when he was 22 is very pathetic and creepy but why do people like to make it sound worse by saying "a literal child!"". It's bad enough with just stating the facts, the "child" part makes it sound like he was dating an 11 yo or something.
It bothers me because one thing is waaaay more fucked up than the other one and, while I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong, I feel like people talk like that to get everyone more outraged for free and generate more clicks. I'm not saying "it is legal so it's ok". I didn't know about this and I lost all respect for him but I feel like the girl's parents failed her and he really needs (or needed if he changed) to grow up. Even leaving aside the fact that is creepy, why would anyone do that? I would be so bored to be with someone that age when I was 22, yikes. Things like these need to be spoken of more often for young people to see that while they may feel cool dating an older partner they are opening themselves to be abused or screwing their lives by skipping some development
Personally I believe it all depends on mental maturity of the involved. A 16 yo can be incredibly immature as well as mature enough to be considered an adult depending on the person.
Also age gap doesn't bother me much because my own parents have a 10 years age gap, but that is beside the point.
The law that makes it legal for a 16 yo to date someone older exists for a reason, and it's not to "enable" certain types of people; but to allow a more mature 16 yo to have a relationship they want and not feel like they are being prevented from getting it.
@@yoster39 Except a "mature" 16 year old wouldn't mature at all. You made a terrible point there to defend adults dating teens. Teens wouldn't know they're being taken advantage and therefore the adult could normalize abuse in their relationship and that teen would think that is how normal relationships work and get abused.
@@yoster39you and your take are terrible a 16-year-old cannot be mature to be an adults teenagers aren't mature enough to be adults
a big thing to remember with the UK is the age of consent is 16. which has caused a lot of issue when stuff comes up on the internet. even in the UK there is a lot of mixed feelings when you get situations like this of a 16 year old sleeping with someone in their 20s, you get people who dont care because its legal, you get people who understand its legal but still say its morally apprehensible and those who believe the age of consent being 16 should only apply in cases of a 16 year old sleeping with someone else who is 16-18 and that overall age of consent should be changed to 18
not saying this to defend, i personally am one of the people who find it morally wrong to date someone at 16-18 while being in your 20s regardless of what the law says. Im mainly bringing this up and so many people are quick to jump on situation like this and claim they're a pedo which is a seriouse accusation and should only be used when its properly applicable
sorry should of also added, in the UK when your turn 16 you're seen as an adult in the UK ...in most things. its weird, like you can live on your own at 16 but you cant vote, you can by tried as an adult but you cant purchase alcohol
very informative video thank u 👍💓
Watching this is killing me like I'm so disappointed
Nothing justifies dating a 16-year-old when you’re 22. What if you knew the story of a 16-year-old who fell in love with a 22-year-old, and they stayed together for five years until one of them passed away and they probably would’ve remained together if that hadn’t happened would you still say it’s disgusting because I would say they were in love. He was a gentleman and she was a lady.
Although a 20 year old dating a 16 year old is weird and I wish people never did it, I don't see it as a black or white thing. What matters more is what the relationship was like, I wouldn't feel comfortable claiming anyone was a pedo over it. I think even a 20 year old and 25 year old would be a little weird.
Completely agree. This alone while may be a weird age gab at best it's 6 years. But at the same time is doesn't mean he's a pedo lol. What would be needed is him using his age as a manipulative tactic would then make him predatorial. I don't think most people in this thread agrees with us though lol. Heck I'd go to the extreme and say a 20 year old could date as old as she wants and while it might be weird but I don't think it'd immoral with 2 consenting adults however if the older partner manipulates then that's an issue.
You might want to research AOC in the USA, it's all over the place from 16, 17 to 18 depending on the state.
On the subject of BIAB dating aa 16yo as a 22yo. I do agree that that is kinda icky, BUT, you need to relize the the laws where you grow up affect how you see things. If something is completely normal growing up, that is going to feel normal to you untill you activally change that. If you were raseid in a place like the united states with laws saying that anything happening between someone over 18 and someone under 18 is bad, you are going to think it's bad, and when presented with another opinion you will most likely not be able to wrap your head around how anyone could think that. It's the samething that happens when growing up being immerssed in a religoin. If your entire life it is drilled into you no sex till marrage, the first time you meet someone who has never beleived that, you will be completely baffled how anyne could think that was okay. On the other end if you have never been taught that something is bad, when you met someone who thinks it's horrible, you'll be confused as to why any one would think that. To you, it is totally normal, it is so weird to think that it is wrong. What I'm trying to say, is that he most likely saw apsolutly nothing wrong with it, that's why he was so casual talking about it. It my have never even accured to him that someone else whould think badly of it. There is more of a problem with the fact that she was a fan (and obviously the abuse IF it is real) then there is one with her being 16, no matter how icky that may feel.
6:06 That's truly *a* hill to die on of all times...
Your laws are not our laws and our morals are often based on stuff like law and religion that was around us growing up. Grasping the concept that different people think differently is something 5 year olds do, can't believe you can't...
I dated a 21yo when I was 15 completely legally. I broke up with him because I decided he was treating me immaturely. I am now 21 myself.
I do not have any trauma from dating him. If I do have it from any of my exes it would be from one that was actually a few months younger than me, because he treated me like a sεx toy and I still can't let go, still can't let myself be a human in the bedroom.
Their age didn't mean anything. All that did was their actions.
Someone long ago decided because I was 15 I was capable of making my own decisions.
Could I turn around, say he grσσmed me on the internet and get a bunch of pity points? Of course I could. It's the internet.
Would I? Never.
Because I will not overwrite the law that says I made my own decision. I am not gonna infantilize myself against all that. And I don't regret dating him one bit. I have other exes to regret.
Thank you! I'm American and that's one of the things that irritate me the most when I get into moral discussions with them. The conversation ususally goes, "Well, it's against the law!" "Well, actually not in their country" Well, just because it's law doesn't mean it's moral!"
When discussing morality, it's important to look at culture, law (where the event happened), and context. It's just an attempt for people trying to pretend like their educated on a subject because they've been told it's wrong and don't want to admit to being wrong.
Good for you that nothing bad happened to you, but honestly to me there's much more cases where I lived where that kind relationship ended up in much worst outcome (usually only for the girls). But I know I won't convince you regardless, just want to share my point of view.
I'm not American btw...
This ex that made a "song" about him just seems like she wants to capitalize off it tho,
She's also going on about him being a "rich white man" and het being "this thing" she reminds me of what you'd get if you buy lilly singh off aliexpress
capitalize off what? they released the song three years ago
It was the saltiest cringe virtue signaling pewds as being a n* for the WSJ bs they retracted and fired the three writers for a year after. She had no reason to shade dave so much using felix as the reason. The salt was pure.
What are you talking about? How many states have 17 yr/old as the age of consent? How many have LOWER AGES of consent? How about (iirc) two states that allow child brides? False sense of patriotism. Also, not that I think its cool to date 17yr olds at 22, but saying “LITERAL CHILD” for someone at 17 is weird since at 18 they suddenly become an adult.
idgaf ab any of this shit but sucha unlikeable quality in person is "but im not gonna make that joke" right after u make the joke
like just make the joke dont be a p*ssy
As a European (UK in particular), I'm used to the age of consent being 16, but that is not gonna stop me from seeing how weird it is seeing someone in their 20s dating, or really doing anything with a 16 year old
Relationships are not about sex. Why everone always think about fucking every time dating is mentioned, wtf.
When you say in their 20s it's almost like you're trying to say he was like 27 and not 20/21 like he actually was. 10 years ago a 16 year old dating a 21 year old would be a little odd but not at all cause for concern in fact it wa very common, ask some people over the age of 45 about their relationships, you'll want to cancel them all lol
I won't talk about the shit I'm hearing at the place I live.
An 18 year old already has a baby.
And here I still uncertain about whether or not, I'll be able to escape from this place.
(Though, I'll have a chance in the summer, I'm binding my time)
@@WookieWarriorz Definitely cause of concern. Why would any adult want to engage in sexual interactions with a child?
@@WookieWarriorz hi I never got a notification for this reply and yes, 10 years ago was in fact 10 years ago and no longer applies to the world we live in today
a 21-16yo relationship is very strange and when I said in their 20s I meant any point in their 20s
I'm 22 and if I saw someone my age dating a 16 year old I'd rinse them for it
hot take but, age gaps dont really matter if its just like a 3-5 year gap (starting at 16+) like, if both people are okay with it and the older guy aint doing it for weird reasons then it shouldnt be such a big deal (literally no one even talks about mfs that are like 20 dating 50 year olds 💀)
It's too easy to lie on the internet, I'll keep doubting so as not to delude myself into a righteous fury grind mode
I've never really been able to watch Boyinaband's stuff without feeling oddly uncomfortable. Only time I've intentionally watched stuff with him in it was Roomie's videos. It was something in his eyes, I thought I was crazy, but guess not.
The only interaction I've ever had with him was the Collab song with theoddonesout
Tbh I only heard his Collab with theodd1isout and it came across as weird that he was so negative and how his voice was so monotone
@@natsukifan8736 i mean... that was on purpose? not defending Dave but i feel like that's a strange thing to go "aha! i knew it!" about
@@natsukifan8736 nah, that was just joke the song
@@natsukifan8736 thats the joke
I mean it R E A L L Y depends on what you think is not a child, some people would say 18, others would say 16 or even 14 (WHICH IS CRAZY!) I personally think that 18 is the right age of being an adult.
Is that because it's the legal age of an adult in your country (hence, what you were raised to believe), or is there some other argument that brought you to that conclusion? I'm just curious on the subject as I grew up American, so 18 was the clear number to representing an adult for me. However, I'm yet to hear an argument beyond it being law when others are bringing up the laws being different in their countries. If not, no worries, but I'm just trying to find a unique argument that goes beyond arguing the laws of one's country being applicable to the rest of the world.
I've not started the video yet, just read some of the comments, and wanna make it clear (if its not already said) yes the age of consent in England is 16, but that's because we know 16 yr olds get up to stuff with other 16 year olds. We still see it as absolutely vile and predatory if someone maybe 2+ years older is 'dating' someone under 19. We have a term for people like that and it will get thrown out, we're not shy 😃
I know it's not wholly related but wanted to remind everyone some brilliant news, that the legal age to be able to get married has gone up to 18, no more child brides thanks 🙌
Nah sorry if this is true of the UK it's an incredibly recent development. I'm a year younger than Dave and when I the age he was when he was dating Rachel, I was also in a relationship with a 17 year old (granted I turned 20 2 months before she turned 18, but still) and literally no one, from our colleagues, friends, families, people we bumped into on the street, no one at all batted an eyelid. Was far from the only person I knew with that sort of age gap at the time as well. This whole mystical barrier around the age of 18 if it genuinely exists in the UK is a new construct; at the time Dave was in that relationship it was socially acceptable to be in such a relationship.
I feel like you're taking the whole "asking his fans if he should overdose" thing a bit too serious. When I'm deep down in the whole depression thing I often say things I don't mean.
It also could be an attempt at humor, I know from my own experience psychiatrists will up and up and up your dose if the med isn’t “working.” So I could see joking like “my psych says a dose increase should help me not feel awful 24/7, I guess if I wanna feel good I just triple that increase, right?!”
Ummm I don't know whose gonna tell you but ummm consent here the states ranges from 16-18 bro so lmao we don't all have it together unfortunately. It may be gross and immoral BUT it's legal. I live in Mass and the legal age of consent is 16 here so....yea....guess I just told you 🤣
That makes it worse. The age of consent needs to be 25.
Honestly I think a 6 year difference from a 16 yo girl (who typically are a little more mature for their age) and a 22 yo guy (who are typically a little more immature for their age) isn't all that large of a gap, if you take maturity into account it's more like a 3- 4 year difference. And, it depends on the individuals, as well. And if it's legal there, how is it that we, as Americans, feel that they should feel immoral about it? Yeah, here it's considered that a 16 yo can NOT "legally" consent to a relationship with someone older than 18...but that's here... And, how exactly is it that 18 became the magical age of consent, here?? If she had been 18 and him 24, would that have packed just as much of a punch "morally"?? How many years in that gap, is moral? I'm just saying a 6 year gap, in a country that 16 is IS the legal age of consent, is not that big of a gap.
That aside, idk how young his preferences actually go. However, I do think it's possible his lack of response to allegations could definitely be due to his depression/mental health. I also struggle with severe depression and I know, for me, there are times that I literally do not have the mental capacity to deal with things, especially altercation/confrontational things. I tend to disappear and sleep a lot, to escape life, when I feel attacked or overly stressed. Hell, when I'm really struggling, it doesn't even have to be much stress or much of an attack, it could just be my *perception* of something being stressful or someone attacking me. And if I'm bad enough to be having S. Ideologies, sometimes I don't even have the mental capability to even entertain the idea of doing anything but using stressful things as fuel and justification for those ideologies and why "I should just....X_X" However I can really only speak definitively, for myself, but it's possible that he could also be hibernating to escape any confrontation.... Or consequences, if there's some to be had. Or not able to escape his own mind, enough to respond to them.
I have a friend who dated a 30 year old when she was 16. Canada, so it's legal. Thing is, it still makes you feel uncomfortable regardless of the law.
Not only that, if he was dating a fan, that adds a whole other layer of messed-up
I learn something shocking about Canada today.
16-20 is already questionable, 16-30 is just a bruh moment
i think dave isnt responding to these accusations because its not true and he doesnt realy care or maybe not
Plus, it’s not illegal where he is so he probably doesn’t care.
I doubt he even knows he has allegations about him. He hasn't been online since early-mid 2021 when he posted on twitter.
Ok, which of my fellow Europeans said America is weird for having adults being the only ones to be able to consent?
We have the 16 rule, but that is only for relationships with a partner under 20.
If, no matter what the law says, you have no issue with a 20+ year old dating someone a bit over half their age, you have some issues.
Uh oh we found the offended European
@@whyismylifeweird4251 oh not at all. I am just wondering who said it as I am curious as to what country they are from. Also, not sure what you think I am offended about, but I'd sooner agree with Americans than some of these people regarding the consent matter.
sorry to ruin your patriotism, but sadly the age of consent in most states here is 16.
When I was in high school most of the other girls thought it was “cool” to have a college boyfriend - and quite a few had one. And even brought them to prom. And I was always creeped out by it. But then I’ve never been interested in dating much at all, so I’m missing some perspective. Like yes, the boys our age were still immature idiots making fart jokes but the 22 year olds willing to go to high school prom were ALSO immature idiots, just making sex jokes. So how is that an improvement?
And sorry to say, but yeah, I’m American. No, we don’t do that right either. 😏
Exactly. There's more to it than just numbers.
Brit here. Sadly 16 isn't classed as a child so much here. It's a grey area. Personally I think everything should be 18.
Imagine making drama about a youtuber who has been inactive for 3 years 😂😂 like my goodness
Stop being so dramatic. Go outside do something productive
"Dramatic" for exposing a predator lol what
@@dachel683 the only thing worth exposing is how cringy his rap music is
@@6ixthhydro652 and not the allegations?
Please can yall in the comments keep in mind the difference between paedophilia, hebophilia, and ephebophilia?
He calls her a psychology student. Wouldn’t that alone imply she’s in collage; thus an adult?
Not necessarily. You can study psychology at A Level in the UK, which is age 16 and 17
@@loopylife9115 ah but would she still be a psychology student or just a freshly graduated kid?
@@rhysthomas6757 that’s fair, I wasn’t sure if she was in the UK or not
I mean there are several programs here in the US that allow High School kids to go and take college courses.
Okay, so, Dave’s innocent for the most part, the letter was mostly fake, and you shouldn’t go with the hivemind of guilty until proven innocent, because that’s not how the law works.
Take notes, internet, this is how life works.
I just want to mention that the age of consent is 16 in some states in the US just like in a lot of Europe. Obviously exploiting another human being is a crime but if a person of the age of consent consents and wants the relationship then it is their right and they don’t deserve to be vindicated.
Really feel like your point is not true. My girlfriend was 17 when we met and I was 22. We have been together for nearly 6 years, have lived together for 5 and can honestly say it’s the happiest and least toxic relationship I have ever been in. I understand how it can look weird, and yeh 100% there are creeps in the world. But they are the minority. So slating someone for not conforming with what you believe when they are old enough to get married, drive a car or join the army is kinda shitty.
thank you for being so objective about the whole thing. It kinda hurts to see people who don't care about his stuff in the slightest just make definitive claims about things that haven't been proven and not even acknowledge that this guy was a massive part of a lot of people's childhoods. Me being a fan of his stuff in no way makes me automatically want to pardon him of all allegations - that would be dumb - but it's nice to see someone who isn't a fan handle this with the care they would give to someone they were a fan of. Also, if this ages poorly, it's not my fault
It is clear he is guilty of many unacceptable behaviours, but I cannot help but feel that the lack of evidence regarding the CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS are so poor that I have a real difficulty believing them. Once more, the unqualified allegations make his much more believable allegations so much less convincing.
6:00 😂 you're not doing anything better In 34 state's the age of consent is 16 to.
Hi, I'm from Sweden.
We have a lot of strange laws in Europe, but in Sweden there's actually one worse.
In Sweden, a boy can give legal consent when he's 16 years old. That's because the brain is considered by the people who makes laws in my country to be the day when you can make decisions like that.
In Sweden, a woman can give legal consent when she's 15 years old. That's because "women mature faster than men", something usually said in middleschool to put young boys in their place when they get uppedy towards younger girls. It's a bit like saying "Well, at least I'm smarter." and since that is so ingrained, teachers won't bother getting deeper into why this girl was bullied in the first place, boys will be boys and they'll get lower grades because they are dumber. This somehow is also a legal thing so if you're a woman you can just give consent one whole year earlier.
But the kicker is, if you're _a gay woman_ your age of consent is like that of a boy - 16, why? It's not stated.
Now, I will however agree with the dude on 6:00 on one point; people on the internet are too damn Americanized. Your problems are Our problems even though they don't fit in at all.
People have made comparisons between the Sami and Native Americans, which is fucking wrong and fucked up. We're not a "fucked up old country that doesn't know what it's doing" we're all an entire species of "fucked up old countries that doesn't know what the fuck they are doing."
But in general I'm extremely tired of having problems of other countries projected onto my country and seeing the problems my country actually have be ignored in favour of an external problem we don't even have. I'm not blaming Americans alone, I'm also blaming people in my country for thinking your problems are our problems. Left and Right over in my country is not the same as Left and Right in yours, we have literally taken a mold of your society and your problems and we're trying to fit in it and we just don't.
That being said, just fucking make a global 18 Age of Consent, we're not in the stone ages anymore and this is just vague shit that makes people "think it's ok" somwhere else, it's moral leeway and I don't think anyone but the perpetrator would want.
How sad is it when you're at the point of "oh.. Another one"