My car RIPS! THANK YOU, HUNTER. the civic got exactly what it needed. She's just shy of the 200, and I'm happy with that. Hopefully, the next time I contact you, it has a turbo 🤷♂️ for anyone who wants to see the build. It's on my channel!
Brother I have watched you come SO far in the last couple of years. I remember when you only had 400-some subscribers and you were working out of your garage at home. Now look at you. You've always been there for me when I had Honda questions, but now I am a 40 year old traitor...I sold my Hondas and bought a BMW. I still want a turbo single cam EK hatch...
197 out of a stock motor is crazy, my boy had a fully built head on a gsr c1, made that exact same thing, he was probably pullin more power mid range but still 197 on a stock motor is really good
Since you've moved to the new shop, you now look more rested bro. Biggs CIVIC is beautiful car. I enjoy your teaching video's; I really hate that I opted for Ktuner V2 over Hondata. Noob mistake.
@Chest_Rockwell beat me to it Hunter but this video stirred up some cool thoughts and feelings for me as well. I've been sub-ed since you were working at the house and with 23 years (and still learning) EFI Tuning myself, this video made it obvious how far your Tuning Skills have advanced (smooth tables = smooth, happy engine) 👍 And what's more important than that, I know this wouldn't have happened if you didn't have both a good understanding of how it all works and "a feel for it" (which can't be taught or bought). And thanks for the Chuckles guys, 17:24 was spot on for me because my tables would be Fk-ed up if I wasn't allowed to focus😜 (Nice filming ma'am)
My sol has a gsr swap with ITR pistons, bc springs, retainers and NA2 cam, skunk2 type r copy manifold, and toda rep header. Nice to see what a similar setup could make. Untuned it feels so gutless compared to the turbo setup🥲. Any recommendations on injectors? I have the id1050s in still from the turbo setup, but getting it to lean up is a PITA.
You know that cold air intake and solid motor mounts and test pipe gives it 50 more hurse purers. Plus the 1320 stick on the back so everyone knows they're a racer. 😂🤣😂🤣
@HunterTuned it looks like BoostedNW picked up where moates left off. they make new chip burners, emulators, socket adapters, etc. I think moates had enough and closed their doors last November.
Any ideas what a b20z1 vtec would make with gsr b18c4 head k20 injectors, fpr, skunk2 intake b16a cams, 70mm tb and small port job.. Is 220hp achievable? Cams would prob help the goal
I wouldn't say that 220 HP wouldn't be too unbelievable, but the stock B20Z1 pistons would be the limiting factor. If you can get a set of forged domed pistons in 81 or 81.5mm (like the B16A or B18C engines) then 220 HP should be easily achievable with the correct intake/header/exhaust choices. I could be wrong, as the B20Z1 is one of the most powerful non-VTEC B20 engines, but higher compression would be ideal for any NA build. With the correct pistons, head, and cams choices (watch your piston to valve clearance!!!), 250 HP might even be achievable!
When I built my CG1 Accord sedan I swapped the J30A1 with an auto for a JDM J32A and a 2003 CL Type-S six speed manual with LSD and it made 236 whp with headers, a full AEM cold air intake, and an Invidia single in, dual out exhaust. I put a set of Acura RL cams in it, and I bought a set of eBay turbo manifolds for it, put a Garrett GTS3582 turbo on it, Tial Q50 BOV, FMIC, and tuned on an AEM Series-II 30-6051 standalone on 10 psi it made 502 whp. It was alot of fun, had ice cold AC, drove like a normal car if you stayed out of the throttle, and pulled like you wouldn't believe at full throttle. I also had an EJ8 Civic coupe that had a fully built LSVTEC with a Garrett GT3582R tuned on Hondata S300 V3 and it made 709 whp at 34 psi.
@@Brock_Landers correct.. I built a b16a maken sub 200hp with ycp ctr pistons and skunk2 p1 cams and it snapped the exhaust cam.. I want to just do a small port job and not open or mess with the b20z1 bottom end.. (i fear bearings in them..) when I rebuilt my b16a i didn't measure a thing with pistons or bearings and slapped it together and it was very reliable for a year then i upgraded the head with the skinless shit and it blew up 😂 just im a diy guy and don't have much special equipment bar the basics.. So im afraid of getting a high comp piston on b20z and having bearing issues
@@Keane-to-cleanwhen using a b series vtec head, make sure you guys are upgrading the lossotion assembly. Stock they are sleeved springs that will catch and not allow the rocker to push down as the cam comes around. So it ends up breaking your cams. Especially if you're going with aftermarket cams with more lift. They are cheap to replace and more reliable. If you really want to achieve your hp goal, if it's available to you, go e85. Higher compression helps but if all you have is the b20 it's not the end of the world. A larger cam and e85 will get you there and be safer overall. If you don't have the e85 option available, try to go higher compression.
@Chest_Rockwell B20 bottom end don't have 81mm pistons. They start at 84mm unless you get it sleeved. Which if you are wanting to rev high or turbo over 300 you have to sleeve or you'll crack a sleeve.
@@HunterTuned I’ve been having the same issues I thought my equipment was giving up but apparently not ive even tried the snake emu it sometimes don’t want to connect or data logging
@@HunterTuned we got a new unit, SnakeV2 that we offer a External install kit with, and it does Ostrich Mode so it will work with any software that an Ostrich2 did, Crome, HTS, eCtune, TunerPro, ETC
Is it normal for these vtecs to be burning that much oil when they are full throttle? Just wondering as my engine also does it so about to rebuild again.
@HunterTuned 🤣🤣🤣 There is no doubt there, but I also wonder if it is worn valve guides. These b16 heads are getting pretty old. Obviously, it has good compression. I think if you are not on the tight end of factory tolerance, you smoke on full throttle or vtec.
Hondas have very efficient combustion chambers where an old school V8 head may like 36-38 up top these tight efficient chambers rarely need over 30 degree.
wrong, please stop spreading false info lol. Just cause you don't understand how things work doesn't mean you can spread Libel about a company. Ignorance is not a defense. You can't copy something of which components do not exist to build them anymore. Its a new design with similarities. That does not constitute a COPY.
Poor mans type r can be any bottom as long as u got itr cams n internals.. it can even be a b16 block with itr internals, then a b16 head with itr cams, its just only good for boost tho cause it lowers the compression to 9.7
where im from poor mans type r was always b18 block from base integra or b20 block from crv with any be series vtec head. Anything else wasnt poor even a b16 vtec or gsr was pricy at the time.
@@markrodz2633 yea but its a lot cheaper than a actual type r lol, but you gotta have at least type r piston n cam for it to be considered a poor man type r cause you actually got type r parts in it, anything else is just a lsv or b20v. A b18c with a b16 head can be considered a poormans type r to but it gotta be the jap spec type r block from japan, not the jdm gsr, its different. But i dont really care if yall call it poorman type r were your from then thats wat yall call it
All tuners need to have this energy.
they do, unfortunately it is dated technology and platform.
My car RIPS! THANK YOU, HUNTER. the civic got exactly what it needed. She's just shy of the 200, and I'm happy with that. Hopefully, the next time I contact you, it has a turbo 🤷♂️ for anyone who wants to see the build. It's on my channel!
Awesome car! What compression ratio were you trying to get with this build?
None of that was on our mind. We grabbed the head and the block, slapped them together, and I brought it to Hunter to see how much jam I could make.
were you able to check about the cams?
That thing sounds good beo
Bro
Brother I have watched you come SO far in the last couple of years. I remember when you only had 400-some subscribers and you were working out of your garage at home. Now look at you. You've always been there for me when I had Honda questions, but now I am a 40 year old traitor...I sold my Hondas and bought a BMW. I still want a turbo single cam EK hatch...
197 out of a stock motor is crazy, my boy had a fully built head on a gsr c1, made that exact same thing, he was probably pullin more power mid range but still 197 on a stock motor is really good
poor man type r is a underrated combination
Definitely he needs type r cams i have same set up made 216 on 91 pump
Definitely agree. The Type-R B18C5 or B18C cams would make a HELL of a difference up top.
That's k series territory from the NA B series. Looks good to me
Very good video! I love how you don’t skip a step and show us all how you do everything. Keep posting man
197 Whp is awesome.
Hey Kristine.
Nice work. I'd be thrilled with 195+ hp on that setup. Can you tell what 'stock injectors' flow rating is by the data you got from it?
Swear you can learn so much just watching his videos.
Keep it coming man 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thank God to huntertuned Hondas will never die thank you
Since you've moved to the new shop, you now look more rested bro. Biggs CIVIC is beautiful car. I enjoy your teaching video's; I really hate that I opted for Ktuner V2 over Hondata. Noob mistake.
Needs e85, tb , injectors, port the manifold, big tube header and 3 inch exhaust,
BoostedNW and snake tuning both sell chip burners if you ever did need one
Thanks for this! I can’t imagine dealing with chip burning after using hondata
@Chest_Rockwell beat me to it Hunter but this video stirred up some cool thoughts and feelings for me as well.
I've been sub-ed since you were working at the house and with 23 years (and still learning) EFI Tuning myself, this video made it obvious
how far your Tuning Skills have advanced (smooth tables = smooth, happy engine) 👍 And what's more important than that, I know this
wouldn't have happened if you didn't have both a good understanding of how it all works and "a feel for it" (which can't be taught or bought).
And thanks for the Chuckles guys, 17:24 was spot on for me because my tables would be Fk-ed up if I wasn't allowed to focus😜
(Nice filming ma'am)
My sol has a gsr swap with ITR pistons, bc springs, retainers and NA2 cam, skunk2 type r copy manifold, and toda rep header. Nice to see what a similar setup could make. Untuned it feels so gutless compared to the turbo setup🥲. Any recommendations on injectors? I have the id1050s in still from the turbo setup, but getting it to lean up is a PITA.
Nice love the old stuff, I had a GSR it was great, beat the crap out of it, burned oil during vtec for the entire 100,000 miles I owned it lol!!
Nice video This is sick I'm glad I'm here before you're famous
190 is very impressive. My stock gsr with itr piston stock gsr head only made like 160
That’s a huge gain for NA
Would love to see a header comparison! That would be an interesting video!😊
Wow 173hp whp from just headers and intake manifold and walbro fuel pump !!! More than what a factory b18c5 puts down😂
"sounds like a subaru" header. epic.
Might be Gsr Cams
I'm still running obd0 in my turbo DA using a ostrich2.0 on turboedit
Yeah buddy! B series powaaaaaah!
glad you made this video. kids thinking there bolt on gsr makes 200whp. when really it's a 170whp motor
You know that cold air intake and solid motor mounts and test pipe gives it 50 more hurse purers. Plus the 1320 stick on the back so everyone knows they're a racer. 😂🤣😂🤣
Nice hat!
Yes it is well sweated In at this point lol thanks again Matt
19:50 Lmao I love that you left this in the edit.
How much power do you think a dyno tune would get me . I’m running a jdm type R with the factory jdm obd2 ecu
Nice video bro I was thinking with some VP bottler she hit 200
I wonder if you could squeeze the extra hp with a stand alone ECU.
3hp could just be the phase of the moon or something.
That’s cool you pushed to get 200
Nice vid good explanation keep them up 💯👍👍👍
@HunterTuned it looks like BoostedNW picked up where moates left off. they make new chip burners, emulators, socket adapters, etc. I think moates had enough and closed their doors last November.
Great video, but that motor is nothing close too a poor man's R, its basically a gsr minus body and intake manifold, clean ride indeed
What injectors are the best to use other than stock? I got a d16y7.
I love seeing Roxi❤❤❤
Great content, keep em coming
Any ideas what a b20z1 vtec would make with gsr b18c4 head k20 injectors, fpr, skunk2 intake b16a cams, 70mm tb and small port job.. Is 220hp achievable? Cams would prob help the goal
I wouldn't say that 220 HP wouldn't be too unbelievable, but the stock B20Z1 pistons would be the limiting factor. If you can get a set of forged domed pistons in 81 or 81.5mm (like the B16A or B18C engines) then 220 HP should be easily achievable with the correct intake/header/exhaust choices. I could be wrong, as the B20Z1 is one of the most powerful non-VTEC B20 engines, but higher compression would be ideal for any NA build. With the correct pistons, head, and cams choices (watch your piston to valve clearance!!!), 250 HP might even be achievable!
When I built my CG1 Accord sedan I swapped the J30A1 with an auto for a JDM J32A and a 2003 CL Type-S six speed manual with LSD and it made 236 whp with headers, a full AEM cold air intake, and an Invidia single in, dual out exhaust. I put a set of Acura RL cams in it, and I bought a set of eBay turbo manifolds for it, put a Garrett GTS3582 turbo on it, Tial Q50 BOV, FMIC, and tuned on an AEM Series-II 30-6051 standalone on 10 psi it made 502 whp. It was alot of fun, had ice cold AC, drove like a normal car if you stayed out of the throttle, and pulled like you wouldn't believe at full throttle. I also had an EJ8 Civic coupe that had a fully built LSVTEC with a Garrett GT3582R tuned on Hondata S300 V3 and it made 709 whp at 34 psi.
@@Brock_Landers correct.. I built a b16a maken sub 200hp with ycp ctr pistons and skunk2 p1 cams and it snapped the exhaust cam.. I want to just do a small port job and not open or mess with the b20z1 bottom end.. (i fear bearings in them..) when I rebuilt my b16a i didn't measure a thing with pistons or bearings and slapped it together and it was very reliable for a year then i upgraded the head with the skinless shit and it blew up 😂 just im a diy guy and don't have much special equipment bar the basics.. So im afraid of getting a high comp piston on b20z and having bearing issues
@@Keane-to-cleanwhen using a b series vtec head, make sure you guys are upgrading the lossotion assembly. Stock they are sleeved springs that will catch and not allow the rocker to push down as the cam comes around. So it ends up breaking your cams. Especially if you're going with aftermarket cams with more lift.
They are cheap to replace and more reliable. If you really want to achieve your hp goal, if it's available to you, go e85. Higher compression helps but if all you have is the b20 it's not the end of the world. A larger cam and e85 will get you there and be safer overall.
If you don't have the e85 option available, try to go higher compression.
@Chest_Rockwell B20 bottom end don't have 81mm pistons. They start at 84mm unless you get it sleeved. Which if you are wanting to rev high or turbo over 300 you have to sleeve or you'll crack a sleeve.
Its a 1320 ram horn header
Awesome video
Another great video
Even a stock B16 cam should go to 8200rpm? Confusing?
I think it’s mainly the header….
@@HunterTuned agreed
Did ur emulator start giving u issues that ur tuning like that with burn and insert
I just get sick of the connectivity issues and certain emulators are not computable with Crome the logging never works I just burn the chip lol
@@HunterTuned I’ve been having the same issues I thought my equipment was giving up but apparently not ive even tried the snake emu it sometimes don’t want to connect or data logging
@@HunterTuned we got a new unit, SnakeV2 that we offer a External install kit with, and it does Ostrich Mode so it will work with any software that an Ostrich2 did, Crome, HTS, eCtune, TunerPro, ETC
Is it normal for these vtecs to be burning that much oil when they are full throttle? Just wondering as my engine also does it so about to rebuild again.
It’s just sweating horsepower
@HunterTuned 🤣🤣🤣
There is no doubt there, but I also wonder if it is worn valve guides. These b16 heads are getting pretty old. Obviously, it has good compression. I think if you are not on the tight end of factory tolerance, you smoke on full throttle or vtec.
same block specs, but a b20 block! that woulda made the 200 yo!
Sweet car, good walk through on tuning! Burn the stay woke sticker!
Enjoyed it
Where are you located?
I have a rsx I just turbod with e85 need it tuned
Oshkosh Wisconsin
The STAY WOKE sticker probably kept it from making 200 whp.. 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Adjustable cam gears ☝️🤪
Have a ques. I just put boosted my 07 civic R18,the car run great but now when its at 3grand hiting boost it misfires no power????
Gap the spark plugs down to .020
@@HunterTuned I put brand new NGK IRIDIUM's should I still gap .020?
@@josephhall6489 yea
would adding a bit more WOT timing uptop net 2 or more hp?
Not likely usually they don’t make any more power after 26-28 degrees I suppose I could have tried 28
Hondas have very efficient combustion chambers where an old school V8 head may like 36-38 up top these tight efficient chambers rarely need over 30 degree.
Hunter I been trying to get in with you for a long time but everytime I leave a message or voicemail I never seem to get a callback.
Try again this week sorry I’ve been really busy with life lately
3inch exshaust
Roxie is pretty good next to the dyno. My heelers would probably not like that hah
I didn’t even know that chrome didn’t have a 2d or 3d graph like hondata
I think it does I just didn’t show it
should be Type R Cams, no way it's making 197whp with B16 cams.
200 woulda been cool but theres no shame in that. Now hes ready for a 5855 and 400whp lol.
👏👏👏👏👏
👊
3rd from the UK
Single cam single cam lol
moates did go out business damn government with all this emissions bullshit reason i sold my honda
Snake Tuning is selling Moates rip-off. Its the same product they just took the IP since Moates is out of business.
wrong, please stop spreading false info lol. Just cause you don't understand how things work doesn't mean you can spread Libel about a company. Ignorance is not a defense. You can't copy something of which components do not exist to build them anymore. Its a new design with similarities. That does not constitute a COPY.
gsr is not a poor mans type r lol its b18 and b20 vtec
B18c bottom b16 top end is poor man r
Poor mans type r can be any bottom as long as u got itr cams n internals.. it can even be a b16 block with itr internals, then a b16 head with itr cams, its just only good for boost tho cause it lowers the compression to 9.7
where im from poor mans type r was always b18 block from base integra or b20 block from crv with any be series vtec head. Anything else wasnt poor even a b16 vtec or gsr was pricy at the time.
@@markrodz2633 yea but its a lot cheaper than a actual type r lol, but you gotta have at least type r piston n cam for it to be considered a poor man type r cause you actually got type r parts in it, anything else is just a lsv or b20v. A b18c with a b16 head can be considered a poormans type r to but it gotta be the jap spec type r block from japan, not the jdm gsr, its different. But i dont really care if yall call it poorman type r were your from then thats wat yall call it