The 3 fast right corners would have been flat out and probably even the penultimate corner, so the third sector with the W11 would have become a straight🤭.
@Ho3n3r I was talking about the penultimate corner; It would have become metaphorically a straight not literally because of course the last corner wouldn't be flat, but still for like 15 seconds Lewis or Valtteri would have had their right feet down😃 which kinda remind me of what the W11 did in the second sector of the Mugello's track😳.
Several factors. 1. The cars being heavier 2. It was a Friday, and the track was still very green 3. The weather was very windy. This track being with lots of fast corners, efficient downforce of 2023 cars should have brought them closer to 2021 car performance. But it wasn't to be.
There's nothing efficient about the current cars.They're efficient only to the stupid rules they're applied upon.Instead of going forward with the aerodynamics and make the cars faster, they went backwards.
@@ef1112 the cars are heavier, but the downforce is more efficient. If the FIA didn't force the cars to be heavier, 2023 cars would likely be faster than 2021 cars, especially for tracks with lots of fast corners.
Don't forget the track got a brand new asphalt and there was only one practice session, which means less rubber on the surface, so the grip compared with 2021 is very low. Realisticly the gap is between 1.5 and 2 seconds, not 3.
Track limits is something different between 2021 (on the curb) and 2023 (just the white line, not the curb) so 2021 can carry more speed in to the corner
These 2022 regulations are painful to watch. And instead of making the cars like in 2020 spec or faster theyre thinking of removing 40% downforce in 2026. The pinnacle of automobiles is slowly turning into just normal open wheelers. We need back the insane cornering speed asap.
The problem is just that if we go back to the old aero rules than overtaking becomes impossible like it was due to the dirty air created by this insane downforce that did let the take the corners so fast. I love to see these insane corner speeds but closer racing is also a good thing. You cant win them all... peace man and have a good day.
Just a little of clarification: 2021 track limits weren't as severe as 2022 and 2023 UNTIL the Russian Grand Prix. It was from the Turkish GP and afterwards that every car who went beyond any white line would get their time deleted (I actually don't remember if this applied to American GPs). What it seems to be that Hamilton is crossing the white line is just that the front tyre is going past the limits, put the rear one is still touching the white line (in fact, this was pretty common in this generation of cars).
And actually, the track limits were severe, if we talk about getting your time deleted for crossing the line like 1 cm or so, it was just that, for the most part of the season, the track limits were placed beyond the white line. For example, I remember the track limits at both GPs in Austria being the red and white kerbs, which left a lot of room for the drivers, but some went beyond those kerbs for a little and still got their times deleted, some got white and black flags, and some got time penalties (there were a lot of penalties at the Austrian GP lol)
Probably will be next year but racing asfault needs time to settle and loose some of it's oil. According to the drivers the asfault was really peaky but also a very fast drop off making it hard to drive.
2026 will be even slowr than this with the further simplification in aero and that dumb synthetic fuel thing limited to an X amount of "energy density". Blame some old control-freak bureaucrats from a certain villa in Switzerland for it...
@@gamezahoy712 That's what it will do to the engines, not only in racing, but if/when they come for street cars, not only being exponentially more expensive...
Its all in the track evolution. If you look at the last 3 Grand Prix the difference between qualifying lap times and fastest race laps, we have: - a fastest race lap 4 seconds slower than pole in Singapore - 5 seconds slower than pole in Japan But then in Qatar the fastest race lap is only 6 tenths of a second slower than pole (1:24:3 in race vs 1:23:773 in qualifying). It is not normal to get a race lap so close to the qualifying lap - mainly due to tyre degradation and management being less of a factor in Qatar due to the tyre rules, but also just how green and slippery the track surface was on Friday and the massive evolution by Sunday evening. Even if you look at Qatar in 2021, the pole lap was 1:20:8, and fastest race lap was 1:23:2 (only 1.4 seconds slower) HOWEVER, this was because Max pit a few laps from the end with a big gap to P3 behind him in order to set the fastest lap. Lewis' fastest lap was a 1:25:1, 4-5 seconds slower than pole. That 4-5 second difference between pole and fastest lap is very typical, so it just shows how poor the grip was on Friday afternoon when qualifying took place this year with a fresh surface and sand and dust everywhere. Excluding Max's fastest race time from 2021 (as nobody did a late pit stop for a comparable time in 2023), a 1:24:3 in 2023 vs a 1:25:1 in 2021 suggests the overall pace was quicker in 2023, even if the tyre rules played a part, once the track had properly rubbered in.
@@UIracing A new tarmac needs a lot of time to actually settle. It definitely was slower than the 2021 one. You could literally see how peaky the track was.
Repaved track full of sand, sprint weekend (without FP2 or FP3), gusts of wind, circuit lengthened by 39 meters... Everything played against the 2023 cars in terms of laptime, in exactly the same conditions, the difference was not would have been greater than 2 seconds
Y también es el segundo año con este nuevo reglamento y nunca habían corrido con el mismo aca... en 2021 ,desde 2017 se venía el mismo reglamento ya había poco margen mas de mejora creo ya con 5 años.!! Dejalos 3 años mas de desarrollo con este reglamento y puede que sean mas rapido
@@elpatolucas22 tienes razón. Si a la FIA no se le ocurre ninguna otra “genialidad” como elevar los bordes del suelo o restringir la flexibilidad de los alerones, en 2025 veremos coches significativamente más rápidos que los actuales, pero lejos aún de los de 2021 y sobre todo 2020. Con suerte, estarán en niveles de 2018/2019.
@@sergioferrero46To be fair these cars are already at 2018 levels I think. The problem is that the restrictive regulations leave less room for growth than the 2017 regulation changes.
@@KayJblue not even close. Japanese GP: 2018 pole (Hamilton, W09): 1:27.760 2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:28.877 (+1.117) British GP: 2018 pole (Hamilton, W09): 1:25.892 2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:26.720 (+0.828) Austrian GP: 2018 pole (Bottas, W09): 1:03.130 2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:04.391 (+1.261) Bahrain GP: 2018 pole (Vettel, SF71H): 1:27.958 2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:29.708 (+1.750) Of course, there have been tracks where 2023 cars have been closer or even faster (Baku I think), but on average, 2018 cars are significantly faster.
At the exit of turn 2 Hamilton indeed crosses the white line completely, but in the corners you mention it was allowed in 2021 to go beyond the white line, Hamilton only goes over with a small part of the vehicle while Verstappen goes half past the line so I really doesn't understand your explanation there.
So did they do a good job with the resurface of the track or was it like Silverstone in 2018? From what I understood that didn't affect anything...the wind, the sand and the cars being heavier were the main reasons.
What also could be a factor is that the W12 seems to have shorter gear ratios in the lower gears than the RB19. Though, I feel like the the track limits were the same as in 2021 the RB19 lap would’ve been almost a second faster.
not even close, the current cars are no where near even the 2021 regs with lower downforce than 2020, they get smashed at every single track on lap time, they're too heavy, and don't have enough grip, they're also genuinely slower than the 2004 and 2005 v10s, and will keep up on qualifying, but not in race pace with the 2006 and 2007 v8s
@@houseking9211 don’t underestimated the time gained by wider track limits. And also, the current cars while slower in low speed then previous generations, are way faster in high speed then even 2020 cars. The F1-75 had a higher cornering speeds through eau rouge and Pouhon even though they didn’t take Pouhon flat out. In 2023 if it wasn’t for the drying track they would’ve taken pouhon flat out (or at least the RB19)
So why does this videos constantly bring up the point of track limits, when most of Lewis' fast high speed corners stay withing the line and 2023 track limits. Seem like a mute point to make when comparing these lap times.
Totally different aero regulations in 2022 slowed the cars down. Fans just don't pay attention to laptimes year over year or this question would be obvious to answer.
@@ApexwithDavin yes i am aware of that as an engineer myself but this years cars have generally been within 0.8-1.5 seconds of the previous regs so it can not just be down to the ground effect regs i suspect the resufacing has had a bigger impact the shiney surface is very visable on the cars so the oil in the asphalt hasnt fully being released similar to Hungary 2020 and Portimao 2021.
2023 heavier and wider cars, new tarmac as well and Ham went over the track limit continually carrying more speed than Vers which this year and penalized.
The cars are the same width this season, but have narrower tires at the front, with a more archaic suspension, a simpler and bumber way of making downforce, a bit less power (thank you bio-fuels and engine R&D freeze). Overall is like taking two steps backwards. 2026 will be that same, but worse, going like a decade backwards...
Track was resurfaced and this quali session happened two sessions earlier than in 2021. Truly believe that if the conditions had been the same as in 2021 we could’ve genuinely seen close to a second difference between the two, which for these regs is insane. This track is possibly the closest this generation of cars will ever be to 2017-2021 as the cornering speeds in the high speed are insane with the ground effect. Really quite sad we won’t get a proper comparison this weekend, hope next year Qatar isn’t a sprint weekend and we get a more normal comparison
F1 car isn’t the fastest car anymore on any track that isn’t oval. New Porshe modelhas active earo and basically no restrictions. That car blast the F1 car and this is a shame. F1 should be the pinnacle of technology
There are multiple mitigating factors. In my opinion I preferred the older reg cars far more. Felt way more like Formula cars, lower, wider-stanced, smaller tyres & lighter. I would guess the delta in even conditions between that generation’s leading car & this generations would be in the region of 1.5-2.0… obviously track specific. It was insanely dusty & windy yesterday for these new cars, which at best are incredibly peaky and have far smaller operational windows than the previous gen machines. Still, cheers for the video, cool to see.
New cars are terrible. I don't really like them. Still hard to pass and they're heavier and slower. I don't the think it's created a better show. In fact, I think the show is worse now with stupid track limits.
It’s called recency bias. It’s absolutely everywhere. People literally forget what happened, almost as if it never did. They had a great engine but that advantage was nullified into 2017 onwards. They just had the best overall package; including Aero & Suspension. Red Bull had phenomenal aero too back then before anybody bites my head off, Merc were just ahead of the curve back then. Not so much now though with these regs.
@@aswadsaswad1759I’ve seen many people credit Brawn for the first generation of hybrid Mercedes even though he wasn’t running the team then. The 14-16 Mercedes that were upwards of 2s faster per lap than their closest rivals when allowed to push. Now some people may not like this next sentence.. the only reason it’s not spoken about more is bc Hamilton fans aren’t the ones giving the credit.
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Now I wonder how Latifi's 2021 onboard would compare against Verstappen's '23
Max would win because latifi wouldn't finish his lap
@@JonBow_😂
@JonBow Hey man don't disrespect the GOAT😉
I think latifi would win
Latifi wins by half a second. However, Mazepin loses by 1.8 seconds.
the W11 would be crazy on this track, totally crazy on these high speed corners.
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Kid start watching f1 mid 2020, you forget this f1 not more down force this now ground effect
w12 at this stage was very close to w11, maybe 1 or 2 tenths slower maximum
@@jacobe8501you absolutely have no data to back this up.
@@TICKLESVIDEOSu must be watching from mid 2020, 2020/21 cars produced more downforce than these current gen cars
Fun fact: Mick Schumacher, who was 19th in qualifying in Qatar 2021, was still 3 tenths faster than Verstappen this year
That was in the shitbox haas as well damn. How far off was mazepin?
@@Kinggravei think that was the race mazeping didnt compete in cuz of covid? I might be wrong ill look it up
@@Kinggravei was wrong, mazepin was 2.1 seconds off of max lap…
@@timewarpeatscrayons Jesus that man was terrible 😂😂 thanks for the info man
This new ground efect era Is so slow!!!
I wonder how fast 2020 cars would be on this track.
W11 would be about 1.5 seconds faster than W12.
The 3 fast right corners would have been flat out and probably even the penultimate corner, so the third sector with the W11 would have become a straight🤭.
Godly
@@vamositalia4600no way the final corner would be flat out.
@Ho3n3r I was talking about the penultimate corner; It would have become metaphorically a straight not literally because of course the last corner wouldn't be flat, but still for like 15 seconds Lewis or Valtteri would have had their right feet down😃 which kinda remind me of what the W11 did in the second sector of the Mugello's track😳.
GOLD content as always. Thanks mate.
Several factors.
1. The cars being heavier
2. It was a Friday, and the track was still very green
3. The weather was very windy.
This track being with lots of fast corners, efficient downforce of 2023 cars should have brought them closer to 2021 car performance. But it wasn't to be.
track was resurfaced, a lot less grip
There's nothing efficient about the current cars.They're efficient only to the stupid rules they're applied upon.Instead of going forward with the aerodynamics and make the cars faster, they went backwards.
@@josemanoel6208all the way around, more grip
@@Kylosgrande you're right lol
@@ef1112 the cars are heavier, but the downforce is more efficient. If the FIA didn't force the cars to be heavier, 2023 cars would likely be faster than 2021 cars, especially for tracks with lots of fast corners.
Downforce monster RB6 in high speed corners: ruclips.net/video/oSKkWXcoqSA/видео.html
Don't forget the track got a brand new asphalt and there was only one practice session, which means less rubber on the surface, so the grip compared with 2021 is very low. Realisticly the gap is between 1.5 and 2 seconds, not 3.
Literally says that in the beginning
@@PedroLopes-bw9sy I didn't read it, thx :)
the cars are just too heavy, its almost 50 kg more than in 2021
55kg, worse tyres, lesser aero, terrible suspensions.
But in other tracks, this seasons qualifying was faster than 2021
@@rimestasis no it never was.
@@rimestasis this may only occur to rain qualifying in 2021 maybe, but on pure pace it never was, like @vdani2318 says
@vdani2318 Maybe monza? Need to check
Now its 2 tenths faster
Track limits is something different between 2021 (on the curb) and 2023 (just the white line, not the curb) so 2021 can carry more speed in to the corner
also track limits wasnt that important, look how far hamilton goes in turn 2
Track limits wasn't strict in 2021, seems like a major factor.
nah not really
previous gen F1 cars are way faster regardless !
The 2021 cars are faster at any corner, even in the straights
Yep hence Hamilton gets hammered by them these days, one of his cheats has been removed.
@@OptikificationHoly Max fans will never miss out on an opportunity to shit on Hamilton
Exactly the video I was hoping for! Thank you
heavier cars, windy conditions, quali being on friday, strickter track limits and new tarmac all played a role in slowing down the current cars
0:43 2021 track limit
track limits were kerbs back then
Back then it was legal
Nope it's was on the rule. dummy
Bruh 💀
If you are Lewis track limits were like in Mario Kart then.
These 2022 regulations are painful to watch. And instead of making the cars like in 2020 spec or faster theyre thinking of removing 40% downforce in 2026. The pinnacle of automobiles is slowly turning into just normal open wheelers. We need back the insane cornering speed asap.
The track was resurfaced which made the track less grippy
@@justanormalperson5391 still,in general these cars are slower.
The problem is just that if we go back to the old aero rules than overtaking becomes impossible like it was due to the dirty air created by this insane downforce that did let the take the corners so fast. I love to see these insane corner speeds but closer racing is also a good thing. You cant win them all... peace man and have a good day.
@@egj1975 true,but 40% reduction in downforce is absolutely insane considering this is Formula 1.
@@egj1975 bring back durable tyres, problem solved
Just a little of clarification: 2021 track limits weren't as severe as 2022 and 2023 UNTIL the Russian Grand Prix. It was from the Turkish GP and afterwards that every car who went beyond any white line would get their time deleted (I actually don't remember if this applied to American GPs). What it seems to be that Hamilton is crossing the white line is just that the front tyre is going past the limits, put the rear one is still touching the white line (in fact, this was pretty common in this generation of cars).
And actually, the track limits were severe, if we talk about getting your time deleted for crossing the line like 1 cm or so, it was just that, for the most part of the season, the track limits were placed beyond the white line. For example, I remember the track limits at both GPs in Austria being the red and white kerbs, which left a lot of room for the drivers, but some went beyond those kerbs for a little and still got their times deleted, some got white and black flags, and some got time penalties (there were a lot of penalties at the Austrian GP lol)
Let's not forget the resurface was predicted to make lap time 1.5-2s faster than 2021
In the race on Sunday may b
Probably will be next year but racing asfault needs time to settle and loose some of it's oil. According to the drivers the asfault was really peaky but also a very fast drop off making it hard to drive.
And its a sprint weekend so the teams have less time to optimize the cars
New asphalt never has any grip.
Next year maybe. Not without rubber laid out on track
Max's time is legit slower than micks in a hass from 2021 damn man these new cars are so slow.
2026 will be even slowr than this with the further simplification in aero and that dumb synthetic fuel thing limited to an X amount of "energy density". Blame some old control-freak bureaucrats from a certain villa in Switzerland for it...
@AndresSztaba Yup I'm OK with synthetic fuels just not them reducing the hp to dog water.
@@gamezahoy712 That's what it will do to the engines, not only in racing, but if/when they come for street cars, not only being exponentially more expensive...
Its all in the track evolution. If you look at the last 3 Grand Prix the difference between qualifying lap times and fastest race laps, we have:
- a fastest race lap 4 seconds slower than pole in Singapore
- 5 seconds slower than pole in Japan
But then in Qatar the fastest race lap is only 6 tenths of a second slower than pole (1:24:3 in race vs 1:23:773 in qualifying). It is not normal to get a race lap so close to the qualifying lap - mainly due to tyre degradation and management being less of a factor in Qatar due to the tyre rules, but also just how green and slippery the track surface was on Friday and the massive evolution by Sunday evening.
Even if you look at Qatar in 2021, the pole lap was 1:20:8, and fastest race lap was 1:23:2 (only 1.4 seconds slower) HOWEVER, this was because Max pit a few laps from the end with a big gap to P3 behind him in order to set the fastest lap. Lewis' fastest lap was a 1:25:1, 4-5 seconds slower than pole. That 4-5 second difference between pole and fastest lap is very typical, so it just shows how poor the grip was on Friday afternoon when qualifying took place this year with a fresh surface and sand and dust everywhere.
Excluding Max's fastest race time from 2021 (as nobody did a late pit stop for a comparable time in 2023), a 1:24:3 in 2023 vs a 1:25:1 in 2021 suggests the overall pace was quicker in 2023, even if the tyre rules played a part, once the track had properly rubbered in.
1:20.8 and 1:23.2 is 2.4 seconds
The main difference is the new tarmac. I‘m sure with the old one Max would‘ve been within 1-1.5 seconds with that RB19.
No, new tarmac actually improves grip levels that's why it was resurfaced in the first place . The lap time was down mainly due to the sand
@@UIracing A new tarmac needs a lot of time to actually settle. It definitely was slower than the 2021 one. You could literally see how peaky the track was.
@@UIracingIstanbul 2020
@@Eggs0nTrainsthey finished resurfacing right before the GP, bad comparison
@@UIracing As I know new tarmac is actually oily for some time.
Sand dust also makes a huge difference.
Excelent work yelister!
As good as it was this race really shouldn't have been a sprint weekend
Welcome back good sir.
Imagine W11 ... on this track
There are also track limits factors in 2023 which force these drives to put later on throttle
0:44 HAM went outside track limits, Max didn't because they were enforced much more than 2021, so his lap would have been invalidated already.
Spot on
Tarmac is so new it's even shiny now.
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Track resurfaced and had less grip. Pirelli have changed up their tyre compounds since 2021. The cars are heavier since 2021.
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Bring a comparison of pole positions on all tracks this year, 2022 x 2023, please if you can
Repaved track full of sand, sprint weekend (without FP2 or FP3), gusts of wind, circuit lengthened by 39 meters... Everything played against the 2023 cars in terms of laptime, in exactly the same conditions, the difference was not would have been greater than 2 seconds
Y también es el segundo año con este nuevo reglamento y nunca habían corrido con el mismo aca... en 2021 ,desde 2017 se venía el mismo reglamento ya había poco margen mas de mejora creo ya con 5 años.!! Dejalos 3 años mas de desarrollo con este reglamento y puede que sean mas rapido
@@elpatolucas22 tienes razón. Si a la FIA no se le ocurre ninguna otra “genialidad” como elevar los bordes del suelo o restringir la flexibilidad de los alerones, en 2025 veremos coches significativamente más rápidos que los actuales, pero lejos aún de los de 2021 y sobre todo 2020. Con suerte, estarán en niveles de 2018/2019.
@@sergioferrero46To be fair these cars are already at 2018 levels I think. The problem is that the restrictive regulations leave less room for growth than the 2017 regulation changes.
@@KayJblue not even close.
Japanese GP:
2018 pole (Hamilton, W09): 1:27.760
2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:28.877 (+1.117)
British GP:
2018 pole (Hamilton, W09): 1:25.892
2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:26.720 (+0.828)
Austrian GP:
2018 pole (Bottas, W09): 1:03.130
2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:04.391 (+1.261)
Bahrain GP:
2018 pole (Vettel, SF71H): 1:27.958
2023 pole (Verstappen, RB19): 1:29.708 (+1.750)
Of course, there have been tracks where 2023 cars have been closer or even faster (Baku I think), but on average, 2018 cars are significantly faster.
@@sergioferrero46 Ah I see. Thanks
Yeah when I watched maxs lap it reminded me of the game with TCS on lol
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I prefer car that need to be slowed down carefully by the driver in the corners, than a flat out car that any driver can esasily manage
I mean W11 like the greatest F1 car that ever build with that DAS system that make corner more faster
this is w12, das was banned and the 21 regs were made to slow the merc car concept down, love to see the w11 here and suzuka
@@shaneryan9076 yes W12. Sorry
One detail is that in 2021 the track limits were not a problem like this year is having
1:50
Guessing due to the 2022 cars its making it hard to recover that speed
Shouldve never made the cars slower.
@@Not_dev1exactly, its so cool seeing how fast the fastest cars on earth can go
Its because of the resurfacing of the track
@@f1clips44 exactly
@@Not_dev1This man wants boring racing for OMURGAD FASTER CARS WOW. Are you 12?
Still cant believe we evolved to be slow
At the exit of turn 2 Hamilton indeed crosses the white line completely, but in the corners you mention it was allowed in 2021 to go beyond the white line, Hamilton only goes over with a small part of the vehicle while Verstappen goes half past the line so I really doesn't understand your explanation there.
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0:44 different rule of track limit ???
I wonder how the 2021 F1 cars can be 3 seconds faster than this year's
Overfloor aero creates more downforce than under flow aero. At least without physical skirts
How? Fewer regulations, less restrictions
I wonder how quick Ferrari F2004 would be here, lower weight would surely help in those fast corners
Not really low weight is more important in low speed corners. The lower downforce levels of the F2004 would make it slower than current cars I think.
This is a high downforce track, the f2004 will loose to much time in corners
5 sec slower, with the grooved tyres.
@@haro1726 Take into account narrower (and grooved) tires...
Can you please upload 2021 gaslys last quali lap with telemetry?
So did they do a good job with the resurface of the track or was it like Silverstone in 2018? From what I understood that didn't affect anything...the wind, the sand and the cars being heavier were the main reasons.
0:44 Track Limits LH ?
That Mercedes have more micro corrections just by looking at steering inputs
miss the old cars which were miles faster, and the old track limits, u could really see a driver push to the absolute limit and see it pay off
His lap was I think 0.450 faster even in 2021
Track is slightly longer, less grip, slower cars, and Hamilton was not penalized for going off track.
2023 cars look like F2 cars compared to 2021, and even they were neutered versions of 2020. FIA dropped the ball completely by destroying the speeds.
Thank you....
i agree but not f2 f2 are 7-8 seconds slower per lap than f1 2023
in baku 2023 f1 are 11 seconds faster than f2 in gualifying from another planet dont compare f1 f2
2023 is a new track just resurfaced it’s bad check suzuka with w11 vs rb19.
Track conditions have a lot to do with this. Plus only one practice session too.
And tracklimits lewis was 3 time outside the track.
@@alexjansen9810 A few small track limits dont gain multiple tenths
Track limits were different
2sec is from car, 1 sec from driver.
You do know there were new regulations put in 2022 that made the cars alot slower right? like wdym "how"?
New tarmac
would you be interested in making a video on why Perez is often so much slower than Verstappen?
What also could be a factor is that the W12 seems to have shorter gear ratios in the lower gears than the RB19. Though, I feel like the the track limits were the same as in 2021 the RB19 lap would’ve been almost a second faster.
not even close, the current cars are no where near even the 2021 regs with lower downforce than 2020, they get smashed at every single track on lap time, they're too heavy, and don't have enough grip, they're also genuinely slower than the 2004 and 2005 v10s, and will keep up on qualifying, but not in race pace with the 2006 and 2007 v8s
@@houseking9211 don’t underestimated the time gained by wider track limits. And also, the current cars while slower in low speed then previous generations, are way faster in high speed then even 2020 cars. The F1-75 had a higher cornering speeds through eau rouge and Pouhon even though they didn’t take Pouhon flat out. In 2023 if it wasn’t for the drying track they would’ve taken pouhon flat out (or at least the RB19)
Οh the difference is extremely high
2023 less rubber on a track filled with sand.
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They just deleted Hamilton’s “21 time for track limits.
He is comeback
God I miss the 2021 regs
make the cars 1000 kg already
Very speed car in 2021
So why does this videos constantly bring up the point of track limits, when most of Lewis' fast high speed corners stay withing the line and 2023 track limits. Seem like a mute point to make when comparing these lap times.
Vast difference in speed must be down to the track resurfacing surely?
Most likely the dust
Totally different aero regulations in 2022 slowed the cars down.
Fans just don't pay attention to laptimes year over year or this question would be obvious to answer.
@@ApexwithDavin yes i am aware of that as an engineer myself but this years cars have generally been within 0.8-1.5 seconds of the previous regs so it can not just be down to the ground effect regs i suspect the resufacing has had a bigger impact the shiney surface is very visable on the cars so the oil in the asphalt hasnt fully being released similar to Hungary 2020 and Portimao 2021.
@@ellishartley9879 Two years of car development with a lap that's a car that's about 2 seconds slower.
Green track + slower car = not magic
@@ApexwithDavin i guess next years cars will show the potential with stable aero regs. Seemingly will only go downhill in performance 2025 onwards....
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Thank you FIA for changing the rules from 2014 till 2021 to get what you want...this sad thing that has F1 infront of it...
Don’t worry 2026 reg will make car 4s slower in Qatar compared to 2023 cars
2023 heavier and wider cars, new tarmac as well and Ham went over the track limit continually carrying more speed than Vers which this year and penalized.
The cars are the same width this season, but have narrower tires at the front, with a more archaic suspension, a simpler and bumber way of making downforce, a bit less power (thank you bio-fuels and engine R&D freeze). Overall is like taking two steps backwards. 2026 will be that same, but worse, going like a decade backwards...
Better driver is how
Weight?
Lewis in W11 woulda done 19-19.5
Track was resurfaced and this quali session happened two sessions earlier than in 2021. Truly believe that if the conditions had been the same as in 2021 we could’ve genuinely seen close to a second difference between the two, which for these regs is insane. This track is possibly the closest this generation of cars will ever be to 2017-2021 as the cornering speeds in the high speed are insane with the ground effect. Really quite sad we won’t get a proper comparison this weekend, hope next year Qatar isn’t a sprint weekend and we get a more normal comparison
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F1 car isn’t the fastest car anymore on any track that isn’t oval. New Porshe modelhas active earo and basically no restrictions. That car blast the F1 car and this is a shame. F1 should be the pinnacle of technology
The cars are way too heavy
F1 and the FIA should be embarrased that cars are getting slower, in my opinion.
Clearly no one cared about track limits in 21. Turn 1 and 2 Lewis already would've got his time deleted in 2023 😂
There are multiple mitigating factors.
In my opinion I preferred the older reg cars far more. Felt way more like Formula cars, lower, wider-stanced, smaller tyres & lighter.
I would guess the delta in even conditions between that generation’s leading car & this generations would be in the region of 1.5-2.0… obviously track specific.
It was insanely dusty & windy yesterday for these new cars, which at best are incredibly peaky and have far smaller operational windows than the previous gen machines.
Still, cheers for the video, cool to see.
Bring back the old cars. Hate the huge tyres. They drive like boats.
So we are watching slower cars 😂. The pinnacle of motor racing is getting slower. Max is dominating in the bath tub era.
New car is heavier
New cars are terrible. I don't really like them. Still hard to pass and they're heavier and slower. I don't the think it's created a better show. In fact, I think the show is worse now with stupid track limits.
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Where's all the talk of Newey being the greatest!!
Was he sleeping when merc won 8 years in a row
RB had good aero in those years. They just lacked engine power with the Renault engine...
@@SnakezF1 for 8 years!!?
Wake up mate.
Why don't any of the merc designers get praise!? Not even brawn gets a mention
@@aswadsaswad1759 You might want to check your eyes then
It’s called recency bias. It’s absolutely everywhere. People literally forget what happened, almost as if it never did.
They had a great engine but that advantage was nullified into 2017 onwards. They just had the best overall package; including Aero & Suspension.
Red Bull had phenomenal aero too back then before anybody bites my head off, Merc were just ahead of the curve back then.
Not so much now though with these regs.
@@aswadsaswad1759I’ve seen many people credit Brawn for the first generation of hybrid Mercedes even though he wasn’t running the team then. The 14-16 Mercedes that were upwards of 2s faster per lap than their closest rivals when allowed to push.
Now some people may not like this next sentence.. the only reason it’s not spoken about more is bc Hamilton fans aren’t the ones giving the credit.
I mean Hamilton is just on another level compared to verstappen...
Bro its the car, 2 totally different generations, its like sayng Mazepin Is better than Senna or Prost because in Monza he was faster
Shows who is the fastest driver 😂😂 cornering speed consistently 20kph faster.
New tarmac is too slippy
Track limits
The previous generation was so much better. The ground effect cars are ugly and way too heavy 😞
Lap time deleted
What a shame, Just stop steal video from bilibili!
Both accounts are mine, hence the ending with both watermarks.
2021 cars were better, simple as that.