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How to make a Honda Navi faster [EPISODE 1]
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2022
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If you own a Honda Navi you already know it could use more power down low (acceleration). Honestly this was my only gripe with this motorcycle. All it takes is a super simple performance upgrade. Anyone with a decent tool set can install it in under 20 minutes. We are talking about the Honda Navi variator rollers. By installing lighter rollers or sliders, depending on your preference, it will raise the overall engine rpm resulting in much much better acceleration on your Navi. Not to mention you won’t loose speed on big hills. Honda navi CVT modifications will help utilize the engines power. Out of the box the Navi is set up as a fuel saver. This is fine, but not for performance. It keeps the rpm range very low to keep the mpg up.
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Damn this is pretty helpful. Im gonna buy the navi as my first motorcycle and I'm already looking up ways to mod and customize it.
Just found this channel today and watched all three episodes and want to thank you for the education on the workings of the Navi. Will be in touch for parts to upgrade my Navi.
Buying a Navi to putz around the retirement neighborhood so this modification isn’t anything I’d appreciate personally, however I watched it in its entirety because you are a brilliant educator and I learned a whole new world. I subscribed also as I look forward to other videos you have. Brilliant video, brilliant educational value, wonderfully done. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
You’re a very good educator. Came away learning a lot about CVT!
Sweeet! Thanks for the support 🙏🏻💯
@@RollingWrench exactly, this is how I learn about CVT and other stuffs. Thanks a lot. Sub your channel
Thinking about getting into biking so have been watching a lot of vids about a lot of different bikes. Decided to sub to your channel solely based on your explanation of how a CVT works and the rest - I had an idea about how it all worked before now but your explanation shows me its worth subbing as there will be plenty of things I don’t know that you will explain in a clear and easy to understand way in your other videos. Keep up the great work mate, and ride safe 😎🤟
Welcome aboard!
The CVT is a pretty simple device compared to a manual trans🤔 never knew exactly how they worked👍👍
Got ur kir w rollers and clutch really picked up btm end power. Also in wnc Honda dealer wanted 3600 for a navi lol drove over 3 hrs to east ridge TN Honda dealer 2k out the door sweetest great channel Danny mccullagh
Well done dude very simple explanation of the cvt in the navi
Glad you liked it
I really appreciate your navi videos. Makes me feel I really know what I'm doing.😂 thank you
Hell ya! Thanks for the support:-)
Great video! Looking forward to the rest of the series. Dropping some 12g sliders in my variator tomorrow!
Nice video. I remember in 2002ish using a device called a G-tech Pro to measure the 1/4 mile time on my 2002 maxima. Worked well, brought it to the track and compared it, was very accurate. 13.86 @ 102 mph.
I love the 5thgen maxima! Always wanted one. I owned a 6thgen. You have an IG showcasing your 5thgen?
Nice video thank you for the explanations. I’m about to pick my Navi up and have never owned a motorcycle/scooter. Looking forward to more videos!
Same. You’re gonna love it!!!
Thanks! Great video. can't wait for episode 2. I still am having trouble with he larger Carb, but I ordered more jets to try, and a exhaust I think might help!
Don’t forget! More fuel more air!
13 gram roller weights, 1400 rpm spring, lighter clutch housing, I’m getting top speed on flat ground 50/51 mph… nice video 👍
Dude! Wait tell episode 2…. It’s wild
@@RollingWrench can’t wait! Great videos bud
This was a good concise video. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Looking forward and, anxiously, to the next Navi mod videos. Great start.
Yeah man pretty big difference interested in the series with this you're going to do thinking about getting one of these at the end of the year thanks Matt waving our hand down here in horrifically humid Florida later dude
Well I'm 250 lb so I would say the people that built the bike and tested it for that top speed of 55 mph must have been $150 on flat ground with no wind LOL. It's a great bike if you meet this first step lol.
Yaaa, it’s not for everyone. If the shoe fits wear it.
How fast can you do I’m also 250
I get 46 mph to 48 mph with light wind hwy . Top speed ever down hill good tail wind 56mph trying to draft a transport truck , my scooter is stock.
That said it's the easiest cheapest best city motorcycle .
/ scooter dear I suggest simple easier to drive than a bicycle 🚲 .
@@Marts1499 I'm 330 and 6'5. Fastest I can get is 45. If I tuck my body like a sports bike (looks hilarious) I can get about 3 mph faster
@@tituslittle lol nice I’m 6 foot 250 pounds and bought a grom, I can do 55mph 60 mph in a tuck with no wind
Doing great job rebuilding all makes modern of motorbike! Mr Matthew
I would probably go with 10-11 gram rollers, maybe 10&11's. I'm running 4&6 in my qmb, I need slightly heavier, but couldn't find 5g when I needed them, so I went lighter on the spring, but still needs tuning, it has all the power on bottom, but about 50 mph it is revving over 10k rpm, it is a 50 mm bore, with over size valves cam, carb exhaust intake, the ncy cam I'm not sure what it supposed to be, I'm thinking maybe I go back to the a9 ,. I'm running stock springs, with a extra shim under them, with stock retainers, but I do have titanium retainers, I'm thinking maybe I'll use in the next engine, I'm going to build a 52.4bore engine, and try to get a custom ground cam, or a regrind, I believe a lot more power is capable from these little engines, with a better cam, the airsol piston made a big difference, along with the about 3mm larger valves, 160 psi compression, I'd like to get that to 185- 200psi, I want it to still run in 93 octane, although I wouldn't mind adding race gas concentrate, to the gas, for about 98octane, I'd really like to get some av100, at least mix it 50/50 with 93, the added o2 can require a larger jet, I should be ok, being I'm about 1-2 sizes large, my jet kit didn't come with what I seemed to need, with the smaller jet it had a slight hesitation , the needle is all the way up, that fixed the hesitation at near full throttle, it still has some down low , but 90% of the time, it's either on and off the throttle, or full throttle, I have a 22mm cv carb I have slightly modified so the stock throttle cable will fit, but it's at a angle ant so high it hits the seat bucket, it's for a Yamaha I think, a100cc or something, it just feels like there isn't enough carb, at full throttle it feels like it's only about 3/4 throttle, I need to put the aftermarket adjustable driven pulley, it seems to keep the engine bogged down, but then going up hill it doesn't seem to down shift like it should. I have had issues with the pin holes wearing out, I saw on 49cc scoot,. He had some roller pins from something, that may be what I need, or just a quality driven pulley! The beating spring seat didn't seem do do anything, before I change anything, I want to change the rear tire, to the larger one, the tiny one makes it run better, lower gearing, but it may fix the over revving in top, swapping to the larger tire, the smaller is my spare, sorry to ramble, 😆
I see you are in Colorado too I'm thinking about getting a Navi here pretty soon, especially with gas prices 👍✨
I know nothing at all about mechkanics I am a 60 year old male . I love your chanel because you explain everything so I can understand it, I am very greatfull I have had 20 cars and 4 boats abd 5 cycles in my life and now I can get this stuff THANKYOU VERY MUCH
Ah nice! That’s sooo cool! Thanks for support 💯🙏🏻. I appreciate you.
New subscriber here. Also a new rider. I love my Navi as well. You said in this video “ if you properly broken in your Navi” or something like that. Just curious do you have a video explaining how to properly break in you Navi? Thanks 🤗
There’s usually a break in period for new bikes. It’s recommended to ride more conservatively during this time. No WOT and possibly keeping it under 40ish. The Navi has a break in period of 300 miles.
500 miles on any vehicle I owned with a new motor no full throttle or rpms
So I also live in CO and saw the navi and how affordable it is. Do you think it would be a good first bike/scooter for someone who has basically no riding experience? Or does our altitude just make it not worth it?
I’d get it you need to have a feel of being in the wind.
What about the temperature/ pressure difference when you were doing your test runs?
Did you ever do a video on the Navi as far as cable adjustments and how to get rid of the back fire sound?
Hi, do all rollers need to face the same side? I am kinda of confused.
Thanks for sharing.want to know when will a FULL SIZE navi be available
Loved your clear, concise explanations for the Layman. Glad I found your channel. Stay well.
Well you just got yourself a new subscriber
So I tried doing this with 12 gram rollers. Now I'm heading a strange cluncking sound. I'm going include the video. Maybe you can let me know what maybe is the issue.
Subscribed! Question though... I see you tested 13, then 12 was better. Did you try 11 to confirm that 12 is sweet spot? And devil's advocate to that... if you tried 11 and 12 was better... did you also try 3 12 and 3 11? :)
Thank you so much for this video, very informative
I have been thinking about getting one of these navi, if I can find a used one, I do not want to make payments, I came across a couple on navi a few days ago, my big bore china scoot was not far behind, plus they weighed half my weight, I have 3other scooters I need to fix!! I believe if I build the 52.4bore engine it would hang with the navi, especially if I can get the compression where I want it. And two of them are 150's so surely a big bore, built 150 would be faster than the navi!??;!?
Killer vid, learned a lot here. thank you 🍻
My man was supporting dragy's before bud light 💪
Does this make the overall speed go up at all or does it just make it quicker?
love the vid looking forward for the next, but do u need an impact to change sliders?
Can you clarify what you meant when putting splines in line and getting torque correct?
Looking at buying one, would anyone say you could commute 20 miles one way to work on one of these, all back roads?
Mostly Matt I think Honda Navi little to small for me because I wear right knee brace and I can not bend knee to far backward!
Ya Roy, you should stick to the MP3
U should re jet the carb a little richer they’re usually a little lean for emissions and fuel mileage out of the showroom
True. I have a carb I am going to try. So I will by pass that step for now
Do you need to take off the clutch to change the roller weights ? Or can you leave it on and just take off the variator?
I noticed the rollers have different looking sides on them, does it matter which way they are installed? Thanks
yes smooth side toward the bearing wall
Pointers I didn't learn about this video: cvt tool for proper torque, variator alignment, how to avoid compressing a belt before torqueing and proper spline alingment...
Sounds like you learned it from my other videos
Awesome man. I was waiting for you to come up with something for the Navi. The only performance mod ive done so far is the air intake and man did it wake up. I started with a 90° 1.5" tube with a mishimoto coupling and an oval filter. Started bogging on me at hard throttle so i just cut a straight section and have the filter directly behind the carb and slightly adjusted the idle. No issues feels and sounds great. ill do these 13g rollers and see how it feels. Waiting on vance and hines exhaust coming out next month then ill jet the carb and throw in a Ncy clutch. Im really enjoying mine alot and I have buddies here in New Orleans that also have Navis so we do group rides.
Is the stock variator light? Are there lighter weight options for the variator itself as well?
Yes, but without a variator and drive face, it won’t be to much of a gain. Sit tight… it’s coming
I just got the Navi as my first bike it’s awesome but what should I do first on the Navi? The clutch or should I start somewhere else before the clutch? New to all this haha but I love it
Do the rollers first. Always do one upgrade at a time. So you know what each does and if there is a problem you won’t be lost
@@RollingWrench awesome thanks love the videos helpful and very informative
Cool video, very interesting! But, as a feedback, I would recommend you to pay more attention to video stabilization and camera focus. The jumping camera in the beginning when you show the bike on the table and the last unfocused shots with your phone screen don't look very good.
Thanks for the tips!
I’m 5’5” 125lbs, I’ve been looking to upgrade from my 84 Honda spree so I can actually go places since I live in a farm town. How fast would I actually be able to go one one of these?
Gas mileage is great but adding more power reduces gas mileage (yes I'm being captain obvious) but .... I'd sacrifice the cubby to add a much larger fuel tank to make up for added power.
Your one of the 1% ers. That is totally cool. Much respect ✊
I carry a gas bottle on longer trips , mostly touring around in the countryside . The unused space around the stock tank is ample / so aftermarket tank or smaller inline secondary tank possibly.
@@philipcloutier2553 how long does your navi run and last off a single tank when you fill it up at the gas station
PLEASE! reveiw and modify a 2022 PCX 157cc! They are insanely fun and interstate capable scooters!
Awsome video!! i learned a lot.
Dude, thank you so much. Wow
We raced the qmb139 Chinese scooter k4 class..I have a 105cc QMB139 that runs 16.0flat in the quarter at 71mph.
How many mm bore is a 105cc never heard of it
Take a like! You always doing great videos!! Mate, Navy Transmission is the same as gy6 157qmi Clutch and variator???? Please can U noticeme?
Vs ...FACTORY WARRANTY voided tho....🤫🥴😵🤯🥺
Honda is bulletproof. No need for a warranty :-)
Following. I think I just found the best tutorial video.
Question. Seems like sliders would make better performance, but rollers would last a lot longer. Does that make sense?
Yaaa, I’m really on the fence between sliders and rollers
New sub. Great vid. Need me a Navi. Cheap fun.
Starter bendix. great video
Nice! im in CO and i was wondering if i would have to register this if i got one.
Yes. Sorry nice it’s above 49cc it gets registered like a full size motorcycle
I was about to grab one but after taxes and bs charges I would end up paying for 2 lol. Ill wait and see if they become cheaper in a few months
Quick question. Wouldn't this be quicker and not faster? Faster is top end.
Top speed will remain the same since the gearing is the same. The acceleration will be improved massively
@@RollingWrench so a top end increase would be from, either, reducing rear gear size or increasing rear tire and wheel size so the rear gear is shrunk in comparison?
How about upgrading stopping? Can you see any way of putting a disc on the front wheel?
We could. But I really don’t think it’s needed. We can adapt a grom front end
that motorcycle is an imposter!.Its an scooter!
edit:if you toke out the thing in the middle you will see that it an scooter
Why does the variator faceplate have the saw teeth on it? Won't it shred the belt easier, if it, say peaked out?
That’s the starter gear. It needs to be there to start. The belt will never get that high for the teeth to interfere
has 12 gm rollers made any noticeable mileage drop...???
I haven’t tested the gas mileage. But most certainly yea. Since the motor is at a higher rpm then stock
You didn't show the marker wear on the pulleys to see if they were going full deflection.
Ahh. No need since it’s the stock pulley from Honda. You do this when testing aftermarket variators
Great video. Thank you.
I need these upgrades in my life . Like the bike but it is just terribly slow..
That’s what this is all about :-) let’s make it faster. That’s the fun part
@@RollingWrench I think when I bought it I was NOT thinking that I would immediately need to spend money on upgrading it to make it more capable. So that kinda makes me regret it. Can’t get it over 45 on a straightaway 😞
@@noneyabusiness7161 should of bought a ice bear 150 lol
@@daniwolf686 I was just desperately searching for a cheap way to get to work ( my vehicle is a Dodge Ram ) and the Navi was the cheapest and most fuel efficient thing I could find. Says 60 on the speedometer ( B.S. ) . I only need about 50 or so.. I used to drive a 1200 back before kids . Sold all my stuff. 😞
@@noneyabusiness7161 yea someone stole my 99 cbr 600 I bought a maddog ice bear 150 I studied all his videos now I’m going about 75 to 80 on it
About to get this upgraded on my Navi, rollers or slides?
am i missing the second video i cant find it on his channel
Should do Honda Grom clone like n ice bear miniax 50cc mod for speed
I don’t really see top speed changing. You are going 48 faster but I wanna get the Navi going faster than 48.
I don't understand why lighter rollers improve performance. Wouldn't you need heavier rollers to increase the centrifugal force and therefore push on the plate harder?
Lighter rollers roll out faster then heavier ones.
@@RollingWrench I guess that makes a bit of sense. 🤔
I’m impressed!
I cannot imagine this lil thing going up the grapevine in cali
It'll run The Snake and The Back of the Dragon just fine. Should be no prob for anything California can throw at it.
I would love to see you do a Honda Monkey mod video
Maybe someday :-)
You right 12G and some mechanic replace with some magic washer.
funny i ride a kaboo wolf gt pro electric scooter and dragy results 1/8th is 11.35@58
What does the rollers do by switching them
Do you need the CVT holding tool or can you make do without it?
Ah ya, as you saw in my video, I didn’t need a CVT holding tool. I just used a impact gun. However, I’m am very comfortable with the impact gun.
They are choked down on the intake big time. I run a pz22 on an 86cc honda clone. I figure a VM 24 and a pipe would wake it up
24 is a little big. I was thinking 21
@@RollingWrench suprised that small. How big is the intake side of the head ? Any after market cams?
Can yhia br fuel injected
For rural hilly roads would 12/13 be too light on rollers?
Ya, I would do 11s
You forgot that loctite.
I think I might have to just buy me one of these and mod the hell out of it.
How much is that air quality though, cause night air is usually better.
Maybe a little. But the upgrade it’s self it a giant giant upgrade
Do you still have the Navi kits?
Step one - By motorcycle and not a scooter. BAM, it's faster.
I just wish the bike could do 65 to take it on the freeway.
tldr;
Put it in the back of a pick-up?
Wish u was neighbor after this week end
More likely is the same engine with my HONDA DIO 2021 which also a 109/110cc Carb type,
Are you using ryobi brushed or brushless tools
Brushless
What are the dimensions of these rollers? 20x15?
Don’t worry about dimensions we have them for the Navi:
www.rollingwrenchdenver.com/products/honda-navi-variator-rollers-the-perfect-size-and-weight?ToPasteboard
Just out of curiosity. Does the Navi have enough power to make it to the top of Pikes Peak or over any of the passes in Colorado?
Ah man! With it being carbureted and it only being 110cc it would be a struggle.
Why would you buy a 110cc and try to make it faster when you can buy a 150cc or 300cc or more...with fuel injection and abs plus bigger rear wheel ..
someone who bought a bike on the cheap, and then after owning it for awhile wanted a little more power, just as an example. Or someone who just likes that particular bike. People like Groms despite there being larger cheaper options.
@@DFX2KX I get it but 15 yrs old technology is not an advantage for me...drum brakes , carburator , no abs ,rear 10 in wheel...you get what you pay for...
Sweet!
I'm 380lbs and I just rode a navi for the first time
Was totally impressed with that thing.! Now it wasn't a rocket but it pulled my just fine. Definitely would love to own one!!
How fast did you get it up to? I’m a bigger girl so I’m just curious.