Thanks for watching, I put a stupid amount of time into this vid so I hope it shows. Please sub and all that if you enjoyed. (Also about the GTA 4 posters, my point was that ingame they look so different from the adverts that they might as well be different people. Like Gravelli's ingame model doesn't even have legs lol) Playlist of my GTA videos: ruclips.net/p/PLby1udQYSkC8bcSy-Z1zyXkqTN-Eb_bSO
Saints row 2 was my favorite and saints row 3 was the last one I liked I dident care for saints 4 get out of hell or the other dlc for that game where u were the president lol
There was a developer at Volition who wanted to fix the PC port of Saints Row 2 but unfortunately he died of cancer if I remember correctly. We were ALMOST there
To top it all off, one member of his crew was underqualified for the work and basically lied about his experience, so barely any work was done if I'm not wrong.
In the end, the achieved the goal. They are different. GTA is good, alive, and loved by its players, saints row sucked, dead, and hated by its players.
I love to play GTA for it's gameplay and radio stations but idk, I've never found the satire that funny, not as an adult at least. Saints Row in comparison liked to develop it's characters who lived in a wacky world, helped by it not using the anthology format of GTA so they could grow over the years. There was satire but it usually wasn't jaded or too cynical. GTA 5 had the worse attempts at satire in my opinion for how forced and intrusive it was. It's unsubtle, unconstrunctive, and tends to come off as whinny to me, especially when they make characters that are a personified criticisms or stereotypes. I HATED Michael's entire family. The game gave me absolutely no reason to care about them. Jimmy was just "gamers are obnoxious" Tracey was "bratty girls are obnoxious" Amanda was "wives are obnoxious." The game is always like "Hey, isn't [_] stupid and annoying, here's a character who exists just to show that!" The reason Red Dead Redemption is my favorite Rockstar game series isn't just for gameplay but because the protagonist and NPCs are much more fleshed out and exist separately than just lampooning American culture. Abigail isn't a sexist caricature of a late 1800s/early 1900s woman but has actual importance by being part of John's conscience. Swanson wasn't just a slapstick comic relief drunk and his alcoholism was played for drama. I do love GTA and I'm gonna grab VI as soon as it's available but I'm hoping they do dial it back slightly and try to make the characters a bit more fun to be around. Hopefully not like Saints Row Reboot where the gang are an unbearably cringe group of buddies who always get along but just develop characters the player could get attached to even with unlikable traits. Edit: Sorry for making this so long. Time escaped me.
@@brandonsteele2826 and it caught up with them . The entire point of red dead redemption is that it's a commentary on the cycle of violence and revenge bad the decline of the wild west. .
Saints Row 3 is one of my all time favourite gaming memories. My life was trash, I was smoking waaaay too much, but this game was my only relief from living in a nightmare. I'm sad it's over, but happy my life is better now.
I was growing up in a mentally abusive household, saints row 3 was a good break from it all, giving me a somewhat serious but funny game to play, 4 did too but it never felt right
@ I’m sorry to hear you went through that kind of experience and I hope life has treated you better since then. I agree though 4 just didn’t hit the same.
i’ll never forget playing Saints Row 1 & 3 with my sister far too young to understand the storytelling but just having a blast with the soundtracks and gameplay. R.I.P Saints Row
@@haku_haku_haku well for me it more weird bc i played SR2 first, second was SR4 ( but it was my dad who bought it for me at launch, cuz he saw me playing SR2, thinking it was SR3....), but then i bought SR3 to understand the story. later on i bought back SR2,3,4 with all dlc including Gat out of hell on PC, never found SR 1 for xbox 360 anywhere and i didn't know i could buy it on the xbox store until microsoft close the online store. and the reboot...... i agree fun mechanic with the gun and other stuff, the map was awesome, the empire system was great, but the story and your gang from wish was so bad like it was a poor sitcom and felt like it was made by Ai, so i never finish it plus all the bug.
apparently, the SR reboot WAS supposed to return to the gangster roots of the series, but Deep Silver forced Volition to make the game into what it is today i really wish i could have seen the original vision for the reboot
You probably know this already, but Mrsaintsgodzilla21 is currently making a video about all that behind the scenes NDA stuff. It'll probably be the clearest vision we'll get about what the reboot was originally meant to be and what exactly went wrong with it.
@@haku_haku_haku i can't wait and really need to check it out since the deep silver thing sounds like if they are big GTA Fans and wanted Saints Row to fail, but at the same time it was said that they are reason too why Payday3 ended up bad
Saints Row 2 was so good, the greatest one in the series. I even love GTA 4 and still think SR2 is only slightly below GTA 4. if GTA 4 was a 10/10 I would give SR2 a 9/10. the third one was actually relatively ok for what it was. then the 4th one was just terrible and became way too cartoony
Saints Row 2, despite being humorous at times, was still grounded enough to be taken seriously. Getting bigger and growing your empire actually felt like an achievement. Saints Row 3 was so wild that it almost felt like nothing you do matters, it's all a big crazy circus.
Saints Row 2 felt real with crazy stuff thrown in. Once Saints Row 3 came out, every single thing became a punch line. I still had fun with 3 and 4 but it was a different franchise
Man.... Saints Row 2 was my favourite story for a game like these... that one mission, the one where they drag Carlos around chained to the back of the car... man that still hurts my heart
Agreed did not know the company went under but not surprised given how bad the Saints were reboot was that was his chance to get their shit together and instead it led to their destruction
Competition is important. Now such competition no longer exists, Rockstar knows for sure that they can just sit on their asses all day while letting the GTA online money flow in.
Without competition, Rockstar can let their games slowly simmer and cook without being disturbed resulting in a better product than when they had competition. Why'd you think Rockstar's best games were after the eliminated the competition?
@@staringcorgi6475 I meant competition that is big enough to actually count as a competitor. Ones that are big enough to actually threaten the profits of GTA.
"I've never seen a company make so many stupid decisions, and still get so many second chances. All the while refusing to learn anything from their mistakes, or listen to their fans." *Bathesda has entered the chat*
If Elder Scrolls VI tanks, Bethesda is over. There is no established IP they could not fuck up. Fallout 5, maybe, but I think gamers are already tired of Bethesda and have been for a while. Imagine still using Creation Engine in the year of our lord 2025.
I once sat in a Costco food court next to a Volition dev who worked on Saints Row (the 2022 one), and we organically struck up a convo "where are you from? Me? Here in [wouldn't be hard to figure out the town but I'm not volunteering it]! What do you do?", etc. I told him how great some of the games were and how cool I thought it was that he has that opportunity and asked him what kind of work he did on this specific Saints Row game (because i didn't want to offend him by asking him the next question if i didn't need to...) and he said "I'm the guy who does the menu and credits UI's." I said "ok, so none of the decisions made about the rest of the game, right?" He said "noooo. Nope, nope. So it's not my fault it's so bad! The UI looks goooOOOoood!" and we laughed and laughed and laughed. It wasn't extremely uncomfortable at all.
Thats what you get when no one takes responsibility in these new toxic positivity working environments. 15 years ago someone was responsible when something didnt work, now they pretend like no ones at fault. Also doesnt help now days where there is so important that everybody feels safe and represented, any kind of discussion or critical thinking is treated as hate speech, which recuires a performance review. Which means that every single thing just gets nodded of, otherwise it gets to the chopping block 😂
I lowkey always felt like Rockstar paid Volition to take Saints Row sideways, they were literally killing it than switched up so much it never made sense to me
Part of me feels like that could be plausible but deep down. They made nearly billons with gta 5 so doubtful that could be it. Why do that when you know your competition fuck up on its own?
@@thrashertrash7331 that’s true but it was crazy that Saints could even compete with a juggernaut like GTA at any level at all. It was basically the closest thing it ever got to a rival.
True story, I dated a guy whose college professor worked on SR 3 and 4. He said that he used to talk about how much of a mess the development was and how it is a masterclass in how NOT to produce a commercially successful product.
I can 100% beleive him. I know a progranmer that worked on sr4 and he says he was furious when they decided to just "loose the source code" of these games. I mean it was a custom engine of a fully functioning open world game. They could of literally released as a game creator program just before they shut down. We would of been in a whole different timeline if that happened.
Saints Row 2 was so good that I'm still holding out desperate hope that someone, somewhere re-reboots the series or makes a game in the same vein. Even after 3, after 4, after Gat out of hell, after Agents of Mayhem, after the reboot, there is still a shred of hope left
"in Saints Row you can throw people off a bridge, in GTA IV the main character wants to throw himself off a bridge" it hurts how accurate this is.. but you are wrong about "this guy wasn't in the game" that's Mikhail Faustin!
after playing that game and literally laughing till i was crying from that one cut scene where everything turned into a musical, i knew the game series was a practice joke
Iirc the idea for original Saints Row 5 was to go back to a more serious story, akin to GTA IV. Instead, we got a circus. Saints Row 2 was an amazing mix between serious (*) story and fun gameplay.
definitely had to throw the asterisk on serious😂 the game was definitely over the top and wacky, but grounded at the same time. it felt like it was barely sticking to the ground, and that was the fun. then saints row 3 just flew off the ground and forgot about being grounded at all
I actually liked SR 2 BETTER than GTA IV! I still messes around that game time to time. Sad to see the entire series is now nothing more than a memory.
its crazy in these days that if you make one flop your publisher will just shut your whole studio down. This is why AAA games are no longer the ones pushing for innovation and are all just stale re-hash, reboots, or sequels. Indie games went from "hey remember that old game you used to love well here it is again" to the peak of new and interesting gameplay while AAA has gone the complete opposite direction.
What made saints row 2 even more better was GTA4 you couldn't do alot of stuff that you could do in San Andreas like buying multiple houses and apartments, customizing cars, and limited our clothes customization etc. RIP Saints row
Fun fact sr1 was originally going to be released on the ps3 in 2007 and it was fully complete but volition scrapped it in order to focus on developing sr2 for the console
I felt the same man I remember I always wore a purple beanie in his memory lol. I think the Devs said that they regretted putting it in the game which is crazy to me because it builds up the antagonists and the player's desire for revenge which is really important to keep you invested.
He just pronounces it wrong. It's CH at the end, noch CK. I mean fair enough that he did it wrong, I can't think of an example in the english language for how to pronounce it either, but it's not even close to cock like he said it
They actually had to change their name because people kept saying it wrong lmao: www.pcgamer.com/koch-media-got-so-sick-of-the-jokes-its-changed-its-name/ www.ign.com/articles/publisher-koch-media-changes-name-plaion (less memey article)
Hate to be that guy, since Driver 2 was my introduction in the sandbox genre and I loved it, but... Yeah, Rockstar did considered Driver kind of a joke. There were jabs towards the franchise in Vice City and San Andreas.
13:32 the last thing I want in a video game about crime is to play has a university student that has to pay student loans. Saints row 2 had wacky side activities and was fun but the atmosphere was nailed and with good story , believable characters that actually feel like they are part of a criminal organization.
Yeah it's definitely them. My point was rather than Roman, Dimitri or someone really recognisable they put random side characters in the wrong outfits just to mess with people trying to buy the game lol
The saddest part about this is not even a month ago I was taking with my brother about how they should make a new saints row games because I honestly missed them 😭 we was thinking the same shit too. Come to find out they made one in 2022 and I never even knew because it was that bad.. sad days lol
I loved Saints Row because how gritty, how raw it was. As players, we may harbor for the characters in the game, but we also get to see their horrible deaths because of the lifestyle they’ve chosen to live. Carlos’ death still haunts me to this day. Edit: And as a player who enjoyed both of the franchises (although I only played SR2 and SR3), I have to admit this one thing. These games are only called “GTA Clone” due to the “open world do whatever you want” type of aspect. SR franchise only focused on Playa while GTA has showcased many other periods with different characters (sometimes), such as the dark era of 90’s, the colorful era of 80’s and the golden age of hiphop and one of the worst periods of the human life, crack c*caine epidemic.
I was a huge fan of the first and second installment. SR1 is one of my favorite and most memorable games of all time. (Who remembers protect the pimp?) It's incredibly sad to see what happened to the series.
Saints Row 2 is one of the only games that I go back and play from time to time. I believe Volition tried to define itself in a new genre away from GTA which the fans despised and from what I could tell wanted the story to continue on from the Saints Row 2 DLC. The series died with Gat and was eventually thrown in the wood chipper with SR3, Lit on fire with SR4 and then pissed and defecated on with the 2022 game.
Why tf would they even bother? Not defending or glazing rockstar but had the new saints row been good their game ain’t going anywhere near gta 6 level hype people are buying that more sounds pointless
Gta was out selling SR by a lot more, SR wasn't really GTA competition. Rock star didn't need to pay off anyone, SR was just not good enough and then destroyed themselves.
Saints row 2 is so iconic to me that each time someone mentions the game, I always remember the scene with gat at the cemetery saying " get up ", it is so fucking cool. Of everything i have played during these years nothing has come close to it, its just that good for me.
if they didn't let "GTA Clone" get to their head we would've been on the good timeline, I never hear "it's a COD Clone" with a random fps (unless it literally is)
Watch dogs first and second was perfect, but again giant game company forgot to listend to the consumer so they decide what best for the fans...... LOOK ANOTHER AC or FC.....
I love the GTA franchise (apart from Online and the Detective Edition) but it's depressing to see nearly all of GTA competitors get killed off or fall into obscurity. Saint Row was killed off, Mafia didn't manage to reach it's full potential, Watch Dogs was given a disrespectful downgrade, Driver was forgotten, Sleeping Dogs sequel was cancelled, etc. The only game which I have high hopes is that anime like GTA game called Ananta which will release next year. Not sure if it will give the GTA franchise any major competition but I would love if it did.
After the failure that was the reboot it isn't happening It's pretty well all but confirmed that saints row as an IP is dead Saints row 3, 4 and the reboot just weren't true to what saints row should have been about and there's no real major desire for it anymore
Fantastic video, I've played all the games except for the reboot and there really was a big divide between the first two games and The Third, I actually enjoyed the games up until Gat out of Hell quite a lot but the way the story went after SR2 always left a lot to be desired. I would've played the reboot but after seeing the trailer I knew it would be terrible. Regarding story and characters, they could never live up to SR2.
Personally, I loved Saint's Row IV, but it's just a huge mess on 3rd generation consoles like the PS3. The superpowers also took away the fun part about vehicles: their functionality and customization. There was really no point in driving vehicles unless you're platinum trophy grinding like I was because you could just outrun the cars anyway.
Yeah GTA 4 was better than GTA 5 and I think Saint Row 1 & 2 were the best ones went down hill after that. But Red Dead 2 the story is amazing but online is shit and I hope GTA 6 is gonna have a good story!
I've played both Saints Row 3 and GTA 4. I feel GTA 4 is more serious and more resource intensive. Sains Row 3 runs well on my Intel HD Graphics which is present on my Thinkpad Laptop and Thinkcentre Mini PC. For GTA 4, I play the game on a Dell Precision Workstation with Nvidia GTX GPU. The driving experience in GTA 4 is more realistic in contrast to Saints Row 3.
If they were to kept more feeling like a Midwest Looney Tunes style of GTA instead going to science fiction then to college kids that can't shut up about college loan debt
i remember the day i pre-ordered saints row IV, only to launch it and realise that it's just a wacky game that was supposed to be a dlc for III... ironically, there are quite a lot of improvements in IV, like better customisation options in Rim Jobs, just that you wouldn't know about them because you have super powers and stuff, what a wreck
crazy i live in the town where it was made from, can say LOTS of people were hurt about their office closing, meaning they were ending everything they had.
11:40 don't let this guy fool you it was that bad me and my friends wanted that game bad I saw the writing on the wall realized it was going to be trash but my friend doesn't pay attention to trailers and he left it in his cart by mistake and bought it with another game played it and couldn't even get past the tutorial I sat there watching through the share screen the game constantly crashed literally could not get passed the section where you quit being a part of that paramilitary job the shooting was wonky and you could stand writing from the hostile NPCs in they would not attack you all and if they fixed any of that but it was horrible
GTA never really had a rival. From VC onwoards it became and stayed way bigger than any other game that could be compared to it in terms of vibe, style and diversity.
Saints Row 2 was a stand alone legendary game for me. It was the trailer you briefly show at 1:44 that convinced me to buy Saints Row 2 all those years ago when it was a new game. I was very excited for Saints Row 3 when it was announced, and it had some pretty cool stuff about it. But I hated the change of scenery and the lack of Gat. Shaundi just got super hot, and things got even sweeter. But it lacked the crazy substance and beautiful storyline that Saints Row 2 had. The gangs of Saints Row 3 were kinda cringe, and couldn't be taken seriously. Compare that to Mr Sunshine, Jyunichi, Kazuo, Shogo, The General and Maero. It was through Saints Row 2 that I discovered Panic! At The Disco, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Deftones and so many other awesome songs and bands. The zombies in the abandoned underground place. The UFOs. The easter eggs. The unique safehouses and customization of them. It was the closest thing to perfect. I can't even think of anything bad about it. But disappointment hit very fast when Saints Row 3 got to the second mission. Things were being TAKEN AWAY, not worked towards.
I was a bartender in Champaign in the early 2000s. I was generally stuck working dead Monday nights along with a couple of waitresses. On occasion the Volition crew would come in and drop a few grand on the company credit card. I'd make 300 bucks plus in tips that night - unheard of on a Monday. And the rest of the bartenders were a bit peeved that I was making that much on what everyone knew was a garbage shift.
SR3 was really the beginning of the end for the series, sure it was fun but it had very little to do with the previous titles other than name alone. The characters were completely different, the boss's personality was so generic and lifeless. SR2 really was the peak it the series
I'm not gonna lie I love the later installments of the series. I completely understand why people hate them but genuinely I enjoy 4 and the reboot a ton. For me the superpowers of 4 are a nice refresher after playing other open world games that are basically only guns and I love (and hate) the reboot because of the bugs and glitches. Like driving down the road and looking away from my screen for half a second only to hear crashing sounds and my car now being halfway in the ground or the fact that if you lay down on the roof of a pedestrians car they will keep accelerating (but still making sure they are on the road) regardless of if there is any cars in front of them is super funny. But as fun as they bugs in that game can be they are equally if not worse when it comes to negative bugs and glitches. Like if you dual wield a weapon and get into a car it halves your mag ammo which makes sense because you can only use one while in a car but it halves it EVERY time you get in a car meaning if you enter and exit a car over and over it will keep halving it. That's not to mention the absolute disaster that is co-op. Not only is notoriety shared no matter how far away from each other you are every time I've played my co-op partner spontaneously cannot drive vehicles anymore. Like they can get in but if they try to go forward they basically just burnout and the only way to fix it is to restart the whole game for both people. Also the dialogue in that game is just the worst thing in the world.
@@davisfromthehills7521yeah, SR4 was for Real the down fall, i can understand that some people don't like SR3 because we are more a Organisation than a gang but everything after that was just bad except the never finished game SR money shot since it actually was interesting
the Mafia franchise still has the potential to rival GTA games especially with Mafia 4 or any future Mafia games. Too bad the separate story+freeroam and lackluster open world takes away most of the "good" things that people want in an open world game that is similar to GTA. But seeing the franchise's potential, I still have hope that one day they'll gather up enough resources (budget + talent) to one day make as good of an open world experience as any gta games. (hope being the keyword here.)
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Thanks for watching, I put a stupid amount of time into this vid so I hope it shows. Please sub and all that if you enjoyed.
(Also about the GTA 4 posters, my point was that ingame they look so different from the adverts that they might as well be different people. Like Gravelli's ingame model doesn't even have legs lol)
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Your wrong, we also had mafia
Saints row 2 was my favorite and saints row 3 was the last one I liked I dident care for saints 4 get out of hell or the other dlc for that game where u were the president lol
Looks like it showed! Great video man
It wasn't the Dev's fault for changing and killing Saints Row, it was the GTA SA and GTA VC fanboys...
There was a developer at Volition who wanted to fix the PC port of Saints Row 2 but unfortunately he died of cancer if I remember correctly. We were ALMOST there
To top it all off, one member of his crew was underqualified for the work and basically lied about his experience, so barely any work was done if I'm not wrong.
@@SecretMagician Geez, I didn't know that. What a bummer lol
@@mjstwocents4568 Flippy made a whole video about it if you want further data.
That's sad
It’s the Gentlemen of the Row mod if anybody’s wondering
They let being called a gta clone get to them so much that they went way out of their way just to be called different.
So, they're a teenage girl?
@@-landon931lol
In the end, the achieved the goal. They are different. GTA is good, alive, and loved by its players, saints row sucked, dead, and hated by its players.
which isn’t bad. i liked 4
@@TheWaynester101first 3 didn’t suck, just derailed afterwards
I’m just sad the saints row series is over 🥲
Same man. It's not impossible for it to come back, but it is extremely unlikely.
Same
Go buy some cod points, that'll cheer your dumbass up
Same, it make me question. Who cloud make Saints Row next?
@@KidneyStealer02 Me
“GTA had a serious gritty atmosphere!”
*Shows Lady Liberty holding a coffee cup*
Well, gritty-er than wacky San Andreas.
Which clashed violently with its serious, gritty atmosphere to the point it distract from the game sometimes.
I love to play GTA for it's gameplay and radio stations but idk, I've never found the satire that funny, not as an adult at least. Saints Row in comparison liked to develop it's characters who lived in a wacky world, helped by it not using the anthology format of GTA so they could grow over the years. There was satire but it usually wasn't jaded or too cynical. GTA 5 had the worse attempts at satire in my opinion for how forced and intrusive it was. It's unsubtle, unconstrunctive, and tends to come off as whinny to me, especially when they make characters that are a personified criticisms or stereotypes. I HATED Michael's entire family. The game gave me absolutely no reason to care about them. Jimmy was just "gamers are obnoxious" Tracey was "bratty girls are obnoxious" Amanda was "wives are obnoxious." The game is always like "Hey, isn't [_] stupid and annoying, here's a character who exists just to show that!" The reason Red Dead Redemption is my favorite Rockstar game series isn't just for gameplay but because the protagonist and NPCs are much more fleshed out and exist separately than just lampooning American culture. Abigail isn't a sexist caricature of a late 1800s/early 1900s woman but has actual importance by being part of John's conscience. Swanson wasn't just a slapstick comic relief drunk and his alcoholism was played for drama. I do love GTA and I'm gonna grab VI as soon as it's available but I'm hoping they do dial it back slightly and try to make the characters a bit more fun to be around. Hopefully not like Saints Row Reboot where the gang are an unbearably cringe group of buddies who always get along but just develop characters the player could get attached to even with unlikable traits.
Edit: Sorry for making this so long. Time escaped me.
@@brandonsteele2826red dead has an honour system you cant actually murde people without consequences.
@@brandonsteele2826 and it caught up with them . The entire point of red dead redemption is that it's a commentary on the cycle of violence and revenge bad the decline of the wild west. .
Saints Row 3 is one of my all time favourite gaming memories. My life was trash, I was smoking waaaay too much, but this game was my only relief from living in a nightmare. I'm sad it's over, but happy my life is better now.
I was growing up in a mentally abusive household, saints row 3 was a good break from it all, giving me a somewhat serious but funny game to play, 4 did too but it never felt right
@ I’m sorry to hear you went through that kind of experience and I hope life has treated you better since then. I agree though 4 just didn’t hit the same.
@@GHOSTPRO7089yeah gaming really is a safe space and makes u forget about it all for a moment, glad u made it trough hell
@ oh don’t worry, I moved out the second I graduated, like took a 180
@ gaming has helped many through worse, I’m lucky that moving out at graduation was an option for me
i’ll never forget playing Saints Row 1 & 3 with my sister far too young to understand the storytelling but just having a blast with the soundtracks and gameplay. R.I.P Saints Row
hold up you played 1, but then skipped 2 and went onto 3? I've never seen someone do that before lol
@ actually no i played the 2nd game very early, so 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 4th
@@haku_haku_haku well for me it more weird bc i played SR2 first, second was SR4 ( but it was my dad who bought it for me at launch, cuz he saw me playing SR2, thinking it was SR3....), but then i bought SR3 to understand the story. later on i bought back SR2,3,4 with all dlc including Gat out of hell on PC, never found SR 1 for xbox 360 anywhere and i didn't know i could buy it on the xbox store until microsoft close the online store. and the reboot...... i agree fun mechanic with the gun and other stuff, the map was awesome, the empire system was great, but the story and your gang from wish was so bad like it was a poor sitcom and felt like it was made by Ai, so i never finish it plus all the bug.
SR1 AND 2 are the only good ones out of the series. Couldn't even bring myself to beat 3 forget the rest.
Yeah I remember me and my cousins would just play the 3rd for hours lol
apparently, the SR reboot WAS supposed to return to the gangster roots of the series, but Deep Silver forced Volition to make the game into what it is today
i really wish i could have seen the original vision for the reboot
You probably know this already, but Mrsaintsgodzilla21 is currently making a video about all that behind the scenes NDA stuff. It'll probably be the clearest vision we'll get about what the reboot was originally meant to be and what exactly went wrong with it.
@@haku_haku_haku i can't wait and really need to check it out since the deep silver thing sounds like if they are big GTA Fans and wanted Saints Row to fail, but at the same time it was said that they are reason too why Payday3 ended up bad
@@haku_haku_hakuhes been making this video for more than a year at this point
Saints Row 2 was so good, the greatest one in the series. I even love GTA 4 and still think SR2 is only slightly below GTA 4. if GTA 4 was a 10/10 I would give SR2 a 9/10. the third one was actually relatively ok for what it was. then the 4th one was just terrible and became way too cartoony
Deep silver is trash
Saints Row 2, despite being humorous at times, was still grounded enough to be taken seriously. Getting bigger and growing your empire actually felt like an achievement. Saints Row 3 was so wild that it almost felt like nothing you do matters, it's all a big crazy circus.
Exactly lets not forget that the cartoonish approach they ended up taking was the ending of the series.
this, for me it was like playing Scarface the world is yours all over again.
I like being called out by how I like SR3 because it was my first Saints Row but later realised that 2 is actually batter
FACTS Saints row 2 really my favorite felt like I was getting work done and it was leading to building my business💯
Saints Row 2 felt real with crazy stuff thrown in. Once Saints Row 3 came out, every single thing became a punch line. I still had fun with 3 and 4 but it was a different franchise
Man.... Saints Row 2 was my favourite story for a game like these... that one mission, the one where they drag Carlos around chained to the back of the car... man that still hurts my heart
Still hurts here too
Aisha's death too, especially how it was handled.
This “reboot” was an insult to the franchise, the fans and honestly the entire gaming industry.
Saints Row 1 and 2 were some of my favorite childhood games. Miss them
Agreed did not know the company went under but not surprised given how bad the Saints were reboot was that was his chance to get their shit together and instead it led to their destruction
I loved saints row 1 had a lot of fun
4 was decent
GTAVC was my childhood game. But still, GTA is a cool franchise.
Saints row 1 had soul I loved it
How can you remember gta advanced but not ballad of gay tony?
It's a dlc not a game on it's own
@@Arqade420 tell that to the load screen
@@Arqade420well. Idk episodes from liberty city is its own thing ….
He included lost and dammed tough
@@kanyejones3194 and tlad and ctw came out after gta 4
Competition is important. Now such competition no longer exists, Rockstar knows for sure that they can just sit on their asses all day while letting the GTA online money flow in.
I'd like a game somewhere in England that's something like gta its also be better if ut was set in like the 60s it'd make it alot more unique
pinned comment worthy take
Without competition, Rockstar can let their games slowly simmer and cook without being disturbed resulting in a better product than when they had competition. Why'd you think Rockstar's best games were after the eliminated the competition?
But competiton to grand theft auto is meaningless when it’ll outsell it anyways
@@staringcorgi6475 I meant competition that is big enough to actually count as a competitor. Ones that are big enough to actually threaten the profits of GTA.
"I've never seen a company make so many stupid decisions, and still get so many second chances. All the while refusing to learn anything from their mistakes, or listen to their fans."
*Bathesda has entered the chat*
If Elder Scrolls VI tanks, Bethesda is over. There is no established IP they could not fuck up. Fallout 5, maybe, but I think gamers are already tired of Bethesda and have been for a while. Imagine still using Creation Engine in the year of our lord 2025.
*EA is waving in a corner*
I once sat in a Costco food court next to a Volition dev who worked on Saints Row (the 2022 one), and we organically struck up a convo "where are you from? Me? Here in [wouldn't be hard to figure out the town but I'm not volunteering it]! What do you do?", etc.
I told him how great some of the games were and how cool I thought it was that he has that opportunity and asked him what kind of work he did on this specific Saints Row game (because i didn't want to offend him by asking him the next question if i didn't need to...) and he said "I'm the guy who does the menu and credits UI's."
I said "ok, so none of the decisions made about the rest of the game, right?"
He said "noooo. Nope, nope. So it's not my fault it's so bad! The UI looks goooOOOoood!" and we laughed and laughed and laughed. It wasn't extremely uncomfortable at all.
Thats what you get when no one takes responsibility in these new toxic positivity working environments. 15 years ago someone was responsible when something didnt work, now they pretend like no ones at fault.
Also doesnt help now days where there is so important that everybody feels safe and represented, any kind of discussion or critical thinking is treated as hate speech, which recuires a performance review.
Which means that every single thing just gets nodded of, otherwise it gets to the chopping block 😂
The new Saints row game was a public execution, rip.
Was made by libtard fairy’s
Not liking gta 4 is crazy
Most gamers were kids when GTA 4 and Saints Row 2 came out. Adult gamers were very small across the region.
GTA 4 is overrated. It was devoid of originality.
@@allenparedes6132nah what are you talking about
I am also not a fan but I still respect its cool mechanic.
@@allenparedes6132bro what, every gta game is filled with cliches and content that cou- nevermind I’m disappointed in you
I lowkey always felt like Rockstar paid Volition to take Saints Row sideways, they were literally killing it than switched up so much it never made sense to me
I don’t think so
Part of me feels like that could be plausible but deep down. They made nearly billons with gta 5 so doubtful that could be it. Why do that when you know your competition fuck up on its own?
@GivvyOfficial94 exactly what I was thinking too. Rockstar has no competition. It's a no brainer. Saints row is their biggest runner up.
Rockstar made so much money from the GTA games, most especially GTA V. I love Saints Row, but they were hardly a competition for GTA, even with 1 & 2.
@@thrashertrash7331 that’s true but it was crazy that Saints could even compete with a juggernaut like GTA at any level at all. It was basically the closest thing it ever got to a rival.
True story, I dated a guy whose college professor worked on SR 3 and 4. He said that he used to talk about how much of a mess the development was and how it is a masterclass in how NOT to produce a commercially successful product.
I can 100% beleive him. I know a progranmer that worked on sr4 and he says he was furious when they decided to just "loose the source code" of these games. I mean it was a custom engine of a fully functioning open world game. They could of literally released as a game creator program just before they shut down. We would of been in a whole different timeline if that happened.
Saints Row 2 was so good that I'm still holding out desperate hope that someone, somewhere re-reboots the series or makes a game in the same vein. Even after 3, after 4, after Gat out of hell, after Agents of Mayhem, after the reboot, there is still a shred of hope left
I seriously hope that GTA 6 will include a joke about the SR Reboot in the same way that GTA 5 made fun of SR4
how did they make fun of it?
@@oliverkoch8211 the mission where Michael gets high on weed and guns down aliens with a minigun
lmao i never even noticed that
@@robanator9083 yeah i can see the connection now
@@robanator9083how is that reference to saints row 4 lol
"in Saints Row you can throw people off a bridge, in GTA IV the main character wants to throw himself off a bridge"
it hurts how accurate this is..
but you are wrong about "this guy wasn't in the game" that's Mikhail Faustin!
Saints Row: Gat out of Hell: Am I a joke to you?
Everyone: Yes.
Og saints row 1 players when the developers fumble another game: first time?
after playing that game and literally laughing till i was crying from that one cut scene where everything turned into a musical, i knew the game series was a practice joke
Saints row 2 was peak Saints Row. I'll never know why they decided to pivot.
There is no Saints Row after Saints Row 2
I liked the 3rd part played it for an hour atleast always enjoyed pulling those wwe moves on NPCs
Pimp slap with zero gravity was fun
@@MpMan-w5d 3rd was a fever dream with good features, but some terrible design choices. SR2 was the last SR!
saints row 3 was great guess you didnt beat the game?🤣🤣
@@thegamerz3459 probably the easiest game in the series beat it in like a day
My uncle gave me all his 360 games as a kid which included SR 1 & 2 that remain dear to me.
Iirc the idea for original Saints Row 5 was to go back to a more serious story, akin to GTA IV. Instead, we got a circus.
Saints Row 2 was an amazing mix between serious (*) story and fun gameplay.
definitely had to throw the asterisk on serious😂 the game was definitely over the top and wacky, but grounded at the same time. it felt like it was barely sticking to the ground, and that was the fun. then saints row 3 just flew off the ground and forgot about being grounded at all
*A CENSORED Circus at that
Saints row 4 is just a saints row 3 dlc ...
GTA games feel like AMC shows. Saint Row games feel like Netflix shows. Mafia games feel like HBO shows.
That's... actually a perfect description
What?
What about sleeping dogs. Could be hulu or crunchyroll
@KLINonskib This entire analogy makes no sense to me.
@KLINonskib100% a Netflix show solid game
All we needed was Saints Row 2 Remake
I actually liked SR 2 BETTER than GTA IV! I still messes around that game time to time. Sad to see the entire series is now nothing more than a memory.
Saints Row 2 is still one of my favorite games
its crazy in these days that if you make one flop your publisher will just shut your whole studio down. This is why AAA games are no longer the ones pushing for innovation and are all just stale re-hash, reboots, or sequels. Indie games went from "hey remember that old game you used to love well here it is again" to the peak of new and interesting gameplay while AAA has gone the complete opposite direction.
100% Agree with you. Rarely AAA games invent new stuff...Otherwise. Just copy and paste anymore.
What made saints row 2 even more better was GTA4 you couldn't do alot of stuff that you could do in San Andreas like buying multiple houses and apartments, customizing cars, and limited our clothes customization etc. RIP Saints row
The guys you said are not even in the game are Mikhail Faustin and Jon Gravelli. Also I'm just here to say GTA 4 is goated.
Fun fact sr1 was originally going to be released on the ps3 in 2007 and it was fully complete but volition scrapped it in order to focus on developing sr2 for the console
7:06 I remember that scene, I was 13 at the time, I still remember the dread I felt after it.
I felt the same man I remember I always wore a purple beanie in his memory lol. I think the Devs said that they regretted putting it in the game which is crazy to me because it builds up the antagonists and the player's desire for revenge which is really important to keep you invested.
Koch media is a crazy name..
Haha cause it sounds like cock. Hahaha. 😝
He just pronounces it wrong. It's CH at the end, noch CK. I mean fair enough that he did it wrong, I can't think of an example in the english language for how to pronounce it either, but it's not even close to cock like he said it
@@ChrisAegrim nah i think i like the CK pronunciation better that shit funny
Dicc media
They actually had to change their name because people kept saying it wrong lmao:
www.pcgamer.com/koch-media-got-so-sick-of-the-jokes-its-changed-its-name/
www.ign.com/articles/publisher-koch-media-changes-name-plaion (less memey article)
Saints Row wasn't GTA's only rival...
Driver be like: Am I a JOKE to you???
Hate to be that guy, since Driver 2 was my introduction in the sandbox genre and I loved it, but... Yeah, Rockstar did considered Driver kind of a joke. There were jabs towards the franchise in Vice City and San Andreas.
Tanner sucks ass
It's a shame you can't play Driver San Francisco legally anymore. The concept of the body powers was pretty cool.
I think Mafia is more of a serious rival than Driver
@@yeaaahboii2527 won't consider that as a rival as Take Two owns both companies that made GTA and Mafia.
2:18 goated @flippy mentioned my goat fr
13:32 the last thing I want in a video game about crime is to play has a university student that has to pay student loans.
Saints row 2 had wacky side activities and was fun but the atmosphere was nailed and with good story , believable characters that actually feel like they are part of a criminal organization.
3:38 I think that's meant to be Mikhail Faustin and the one after that is Jon Gravelli.
Yeah
Was about to type this.
That's correct
Yeah it's definitely them. My point was rather than Roman, Dimitri or someone really recognisable they put random side characters in the wrong outfits just to mess with people trying to buy the game lol
@@haku_haku_hakuthey all were already present in loading screens
The saddest part about this is not even a month ago I was taking with my brother about how they should make a new saints row games because I honestly missed them 😭 we was thinking the same shit too. Come to find out they made one in 2022 and I never even knew because it was that bad.. sad days lol
Fun Fact: That guy on the right (3:39) is Jon Gravelli
Isn't that faustin?
@@anaslossantos No first Poster is Mikhail Faustin and Second poster is Jon Gravelli at 3:40
These videos about Saints Row always break my heart
Insane how this video is over 1mil views for an 6k subscribed channel. Bravo! Well done!
Finally someone who know the DIFFERENCE between a rival ( competitor) and an copy cat clone 😭
I loved Saints Row because how gritty, how raw it was. As players, we may harbor for the characters in the game, but we also get to see their horrible deaths because of the lifestyle they’ve chosen to live. Carlos’ death still haunts me to this day.
Edit: And as a player who enjoyed both of the franchises (although I only played SR2 and SR3), I have to admit this one thing. These games are only called “GTA Clone” due to the “open world do whatever you want” type of aspect. SR franchise only focused on Playa while GTA has showcased many other periods with different characters (sometimes), such as the dark era of 90’s, the colorful era of 80’s and the golden age of hiphop and one of the worst periods of the human life, crack c*caine epidemic.
I was a huge fan of the first and second installment. SR1 is one of my favorite and most memorable games of all time. (Who remembers protect the pimp?) It's incredibly sad to see what happened to the series.
All the real OGs played SR1 multiplayer!!!
Jonny almost dying still hurts till this day
The guy you "didn't even see in the game" was Mikhail Faustin.
>looks at faustin
"yeah he's not in the game"
I know how does he not know who he is?🤣🤣🤣
Right , that’s straight up Faustin
he even wearing the same clothes
True crime should make a comeback fr
I can’t believe u only have 7k subs, I really enjoyed your video!
Saints Row 2 is one of the only games that I go back and play from time to time. I believe Volition tried to define itself in a new genre away from GTA which the fans despised and from what I could tell wanted the story to continue on from the Saints Row 2 DLC. The series died with Gat and was eventually thrown in the wood chipper with SR3, Lit on fire with SR4 and then pissed and defecated on with the 2022 game.
Saints Row 2 is exactly like a free mode gameplay of GTA 4
The guy on 3:38 is Faustin
Came to say the exact same thing nice eyes
When does he appear? like what mission ?
@@KeaWealthy after vlad is killed, Nico and Roman are kidnapped, then you meet Dimitri and Faustin
@@KeaWealthy he’s literally the Russian Mob guy you run into right after Vlad Demitri was his right hand man till he had you kill him
And the second one is mafia boss in hospital, the G guy
My theory is rockstar paid off volition to sabotage saints row.
Why tf would they even bother? Not defending or glazing rockstar but had the new saints row been good their game ain’t going anywhere near gta 6 level hype people are buying that more sounds pointless
Nah man the game was just bad, Rockstar had nothing to do with it. Stop defending SR
Nut job conspiracy, even if the SR reboot was good it would never be up to quality with GTA
@@Killakay47 think about it. They have no competition and would prefer to keep it that way.
Gta was out selling SR by a lot more, SR wasn't really GTA competition. Rock star didn't need to pay off anyone, SR was just not good enough and then destroyed themselves.
Saints row 2 is so iconic to me that each time someone mentions the game, I always remember the scene with gat at the cemetery saying " get up ", it is so fucking cool.
Of everything i have played during these years nothing has come close to it, its just that good for me.
I liked how the music never stopped playing when exiting a car, dont close the door and youll hear the track banging still
This channel is criminally under-subbed. See you when you're at 100k subs mate. Great stuff.
Thank you homie, big love!!
if they didn't let "GTA Clone" get to their head we would've been on the good timeline, I never hear "it's a COD Clone" with a random fps (unless it literally is)
"The Slow Death of GTA's Only Rival"
*Watch Dogs has entered the chat
Watch dogs first and second was perfect, but again giant game company forgot to listend to the consumer so they decide what best for the fans...... LOOK ANOTHER AC or FC.....
@@nicholasclermont7390 legion kinda sucked ngl
@@thegamerz3459 yup watch bunch of friends play it together and i was like the idea is there seem cool, but it suck
@@nicholasclermont7390 Assassin's Creed died after Rogue imo
I love the GTA franchise (apart from Online and the Detective Edition) but it's depressing to see nearly all of GTA competitors get killed off or fall into obscurity. Saint Row was killed off, Mafia didn't manage to reach it's full potential, Watch Dogs was given a disrespectful downgrade, Driver was forgotten, Sleeping Dogs sequel was cancelled, etc. The only game which I have high hopes is that anime like GTA game called Ananta which will release next year. Not sure if it will give the GTA franchise any major competition but I would love if it did.
I still vividly remember getting canonized at church so that i could later on swagger along with a pimp cane and four fine dames by my side
The new GTA trailer looks exactly like the most recent saints row, its so over for gaming.
Let's hope Saints Row can be resurrected one day. Saints Rows 1~2 are so great. Then 3~4 are also so much fun, especially with friends 😭😭
After the failure that was the reboot it isn't happening
It's pretty well all but confirmed that saints row as an IP is dead
Saints row 3, 4 and the reboot just weren't true to what saints row should have been about and there's no real major desire for it anymore
@@vallarfaxgamingAgreed. Might as well start over with a new IP.
You know you're company is cooked when you're owner is called "Koch Media"😭🙏💀💀
Fantastic video, I've played all the games except for the reboot and there really was a big divide between the first two games and The Third, I actually enjoyed the games up until Gat out of Hell quite a lot but the way the story went after SR2 always left a lot to be desired. I would've played the reboot but after seeing the trailer I knew it would be terrible. Regarding story and characters, they could never live up to SR2.
Incredible video man congrats on the deserved views! 👏🏻
0:54 I love seetsrewtew
Lmao
Accent kills me😂
Personally, I loved Saint's Row IV, but it's just a huge mess on 3rd generation consoles like the PS3. The superpowers also took away the fun part about vehicles: their functionality and customization. There was really no point in driving vehicles unless you're platinum trophy grinding like I was because you could just outrun the cars anyway.
Ya i love saints row IV but ya vehicles are kinda pointless except in the ones you can cause "mayhem" in
Saints row 2 was light year's ahead of gta 4 in terms of customization and side activities.
Great vid man, hope you reach more subs because this is better than some YT channels with 100k+ vids. Keep it up 🤙
haven't watched a video to the end in a very long time... u've gained a subscriber 🙌
I like gta 4 more than gta 5. GTA 5 Story is meh. I replay gta 4 and san andreas more than 5. GTA 5 story is forgetable
Yeah GTA 4 was better than GTA 5 and I think Saint Row 1 & 2 were the best ones went down hill after that. But Red Dead 2 the story is amazing but online is shit and I hope GTA 6 is gonna have a good story!
Growing up gang Related , getting put on a set in a game like the first one was a dream 🤣💯
Then from the 3rd game it started to get crazy 😅
5:24 Teachers and parents do
Why wasn't gat out of hell and Agents of mayhem mentioned in this video?
I've played both Saints Row 3 and GTA 4. I feel GTA 4 is more serious and more resource intensive. Sains Row 3 runs well on my Intel HD Graphics which is present on my Thinkpad Laptop and Thinkcentre Mini PC. For GTA 4, I play the game on a Dell Precision Workstation with Nvidia GTX GPU. The driving experience in GTA 4 is more realistic in contrast to Saints Row 3.
If they were to kept more feeling like a Midwest Looney Tunes style of GTA instead going to science fiction then to college kids that can't shut up about college loan debt
the foreshadowing of saints row 2 gang peds mentioning they’re in the gang to pay for college lool
Fr San Andreas was the whackiest gta title and it’s a massive classic even today. There’s a market for whacky cartoony gta type games.
i remember the day i pre-ordered saints row IV, only to launch it and realise that it's just a wacky game that was supposed to be a dlc for III...
ironically, there are quite a lot of improvements in IV, like better customisation options in Rim Jobs, just that you wouldn't know about them because you have super powers and stuff, what a wreck
Jim Robs
for real they wasted budget for more customization on vehicles that had no purpose to us
crazy i live in the town where it was made from, can say LOTS of people were hurt about their office closing, meaning they were ending everything they had.
Great video! Really funny and not like those other far fetched “video-essayists”
11:40 don't let this guy fool you it was that bad me and my friends wanted that game bad I saw the writing on the wall realized it was going to be trash but my friend doesn't pay attention to trailers and he left it in his cart by mistake and bought it with another game played it and couldn't even get past the tutorial I sat there watching through the share screen the game constantly crashed literally could not get passed the section where you quit being a part of that paramilitary job the shooting was wonky and you could stand writing from the hostile NPCs in they would not attack you all and if they fixed any of that but it was horrible
Was always the budget GTA, had some neat ideas though
GTA never really had a rival. From VC onwoards it became and stayed way bigger than any other game that could be compared to it in terms of vibe, style and diversity.
Very good summary, I believe it really describes what we felt as OG fans
I think the fact that I’ve never heard of the reboot until now, speaks volumes and I’ve played the whole series or so I thought
Saints Row 2 was a stand alone legendary game for me. It was the trailer you briefly show at 1:44 that convinced me to buy Saints Row 2 all those years ago when it was a new game.
I was very excited for Saints Row 3 when it was announced, and it had some pretty cool stuff about it. But I hated the change of scenery and the lack of Gat. Shaundi just got super hot, and things got even sweeter. But it lacked the crazy substance and beautiful storyline that Saints Row 2 had. The gangs of Saints Row 3 were kinda cringe, and couldn't be taken seriously. Compare that to Mr Sunshine, Jyunichi, Kazuo, Shogo, The General and Maero.
It was through Saints Row 2 that I discovered Panic! At The Disco, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Deftones and so many other awesome songs and bands. The zombies in the abandoned underground place. The UFOs. The easter eggs. The unique safehouses and customization of them. It was the closest thing to perfect. I can't even think of anything bad about it.
But disappointment hit very fast when Saints Row 3 got to the second mission. Things were being TAKEN AWAY, not worked towards.
I was a bartender in Champaign in the early 2000s. I was generally stuck working dead Monday nights along with a couple of waitresses. On occasion the Volition crew would come in and drop a few grand on the company credit card. I'd make 300 bucks plus in tips that night - unheard of on a Monday. And the rest of the bartenders were a bit peeved that I was making that much on what everyone knew was a garbage shift.
SR3 was really the beginning of the end for the series, sure it was fun but it had very little to do with the previous titles other than name alone. The characters were completely different, the boss's personality was so generic and lifeless. SR2 really was the peak it the series
I'll never forget borrowing this from one of my friends and keeping it till they asked sum about it, man. i loved it back then .
I'm not gonna lie I love the later installments of the series. I completely understand why people hate them but genuinely I enjoy 4 and the reboot a ton. For me the superpowers of 4 are a nice refresher after playing other open world games that are basically only guns and I love (and hate) the reboot because of the bugs and glitches. Like driving down the road and looking away from my screen for half a second only to hear crashing sounds and my car now being halfway in the ground or the fact that if you lay down on the roof of a pedestrians car they will keep accelerating (but still making sure they are on the road) regardless of if there is any cars in front of them is super funny. But as fun as they bugs in that game can be they are equally if not worse when it comes to negative bugs and glitches. Like if you dual wield a weapon and get into a car it halves your mag ammo which makes sense because you can only use one while in a car but it halves it EVERY time you get in a car meaning if you enter and exit a car over and over it will keep halving it. That's not to mention the absolute disaster that is co-op. Not only is notoriety shared no matter how far away from each other you are every time I've played my co-op partner spontaneously cannot drive vehicles anymore. Like they can get in but if they try to go forward they basically just burnout and the only way to fix it is to restart the whole game for both people. Also the dialogue in that game is just the worst thing in the world.
Saints Row went to shit after Gat out of Hell
you mean after SR3
@@davisfromthehills7521yeah, SR4 was for Real the down fall, i can understand that some people don't like SR3 because we are more a Organisation than a gang but everything after that was just bad except the never finished game SR money shot since it actually was interesting
@@commanderblack5045 I fw the 4th one. I like the super powers and shit lol
@@LilXume actually in my opinion do i think that Saints Row 4 is a fun game but isn't a good Saints Row game
@@davisfromthehills7521some would argue that SR2 was the last good one.
Oh I remember volition they made my fav franchise.... Red faction, they flopped the sequel but the rest were good games
the Mafia franchise still has the potential to rival GTA games especially with Mafia 4 or any future Mafia games. Too bad the separate story+freeroam and lackluster open world takes away most of the "good" things that people want in an open world game that is similar to GTA. But seeing the franchise's potential, I still have hope that one day they'll gather up enough resources (budget + talent) to one day make as good of an open world experience as any gta games. (hope being the keyword here.)
mafia is a linear story-based game first, open world second. always has been. making it more like gta would be missing the point
Very true ,Great points
Take-Two owns Mafia, there’s no rivalry
@@manukau5271 Exactly, Mafia is like GTA's cousin Vinny. Not a competitor.
I would've liked if Mafia 2 had side activities. I wouldn't care as much now. Mafia went off the rails after Vávra's departure.
Here's my subscription. Keep doing this man, loved every second of this video. Wish the Saints Row reboot would have been a little better
Tim and Eric also released a series of promos for Saints Row 3.
Saints Row wasn't GTA only rival, you forgot the Driver series
Tanner sucks ass 😂