I appreciate your videos because it’s clear you do your research and do more than surface level discussions or reviews found on other car RUclipsr channels.
Great insight and I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, the buyers of the GX and 2024 Land Cruiser are going to be a lot of new buyers and not those coming from the older models. Personally speaking, is too early to tell on what the sales numbers will be, it may be similar to what they were in the past….in the end, we obviously are disgusted with the price increase of Toyota cars, but, all manufacturers are increasing their prices and even Toyota takes a step back in build quality or reliability,it’s probably still better than the majority, thus, they won’t lose much of the market share. Time will tell. Keep making your videos.
I think you’re right, the thing that will work against them is the drastic price increase. A loaded Land Cruiser is $20K more than a loaded 2024 4Runner. A loaded GX is about $15K more than a 2023, and so for someone buying in cash that’s a LOT more to shell out, and for someone financing that could easily be another $500/month more depending on interest rate. Although we know people are stupid and will go into ridiculous debt to buy what they want, I do think that will automatically rule out a substantial number of buyers. I’ve noticed Tacomas getting some pretty big discounts here and selling well below MSRP on the used market in my area.
Nice video Josh.. good comparison and helpful insight. We have a 22' GX460 Sport Design and have come to same conclusions with new GX 550. We would have to go to the LX600 to upgrade the experience. The cost is $30-40K more. I hope you get to review an LX soon.
I like the Apple watch vs Rolex comparison. I like analogue gauges and dislike digital gauges for the same reason. There is something more elegant and timeless about a well-executed analogue watch face that a digital watch face will never have. Same goes for the gauges in vehicles. Why am I paying more for a digital gauge that costs less to make than an analogue gauge that costs more to make.
Same. Not to mention I don’t find (most) digital gauge clusters to be more functional. Toyota’s most definitely isn’t as you probably saw in my Camry video. 😂
Yah agreed. This is like the alternating round and curved edges all.the phone companies do to make you feel like you're missing out. It's a psychological trick that really provides no ascertainable value for the vast majority, and in fact should be discounted regardless of the capital.cost becuase it is sure to have more issues over time. The used market will ultimately be what pushes that dynamic to the surface and calls out the car makers for such pursuits. There is a reason the newer cars are not holding their values
So Porsche takes on the Toyota way of doing manufacturing to be more successful and now Toyota is taking on the Porsche way of pricing itself out of the market to the lower 95% of buyers.
Yes! Just one addition-the luxury station wagon has always had the heavy duty frame as well. The 300-series, for example, takes the standard wide body TNGA-F and reinforces it to make it stronger and more resilient than what you’d find under a Sequoia or Tundra which technically use the same frame but without the reinforcement.
Good summary. We have to accept that the GX460 has been retired, and a similar but different model has taken its place in the lineup (price wise). Really, the new GX is just a fancier version of the LC. Not quite a “real” Lexus. Or what a Lexus has historically been. I believe you alluded to this in the past, when you mentioned Lexus’ motto was “the pursuit of excellence”. Now it’s “a super nice Toyota”. Sort of a bespoke Toyota.
its not really fancier, its just an LC with more options, if you get the base model, there is almost zero difference beyond the power train. You get a base model MDX, you will feel a difference to a Pilot touring.
I agree with both of you here. The GX is definitely not a luxury vehicle, and @PWCDN is right that you feel a difference going from a Pilot to an MDX and id say the same is true going from a Pathfinder to a QX60. But going from a Land Cruiser to a GX is almost a step down without the buttons and bespoke steering wheel and the same is true of going from a Grand Highlander to a TX.
Yes but Lexus made a ton of changes in every respect to the 460 which itself was based on a premium product. The new Lexus vehicles, to the others’ comments, aren’t more premium than their Toyota counterparts.
@@joeblack1052 I meant current versions (Lexus) are just a little tarted up compared to previous models which were much nicer than Toyota counterparts. A GX550 as plush as Josh’s would cost $90K, and I think Lexus is “trying” to keep prices from rising too much (but they cut costs on that which makes Lexus a Lexus).
Dude you are 100% right.i'm searching for a lux / sport Gx with low miles.prefer atomic silver or white with red guts.i know it's a unicorn but i will keep looking
That doesn’t sound like it would be too hard to find. Be sure you’re looking at states where things like the GX sells well. Texas, for example, always has a ton of them around.
Yes! That would be a good alternative too! The problem with the Land Cruiser is that they’re now about 4 years old so you’re likely at high mileage and beyond factory warranty on most versus the GX460 which you can still find with as little as 5K miles and 6 years of L-Certified warranty.
What's interesting is that Silverado 4 turbo cylinder makes Toyotas non-hybrid Turbo 4 look bad. The horsepower and torque alone is a wild difference. Toyota is headed in the wrong direction. The turbo 4 cylinders are for green credits. They're not necessarily any more fuel efficient.
I have an early gen gx460 with 140k and wouldn’t trade it for the world. Will be buying a newer gx460 for my wife when she is due for a new car. Have no interest in these newer Toyota/lexus SUV’s. A big step backwards in my opinion.
I would buy sooner rather than later if you think you may want one. They’ll continue to age out and good ones will be fewer and farther between as time goes on.
@@joshjamescars agree 100%! Our oldest begins driving soon. She gets my wife current car. Wife was town between and RX and GX, but after a recent light off roading trip, she wants a GX. Haha.
Toyota is using its legacy as a pricing strategy. I would call it nostalgia pricing. I believe this market will eventually even out as CPOs hit the market in 1-2 years. However, with the Lexus GX, the interior quality can be improved with more leather and wood trims. I still think Lexus is trying to figure out their blend of modern design with Luxury materials. If Lexus could copy the interior material choices of the Range Rover, they would have the perfect car in the GX550.
Lexus seems to be moving downmarket toward premium (Acura) and not luxury (Mercedes/RangeRover), so I don’t think we’ll see that from them anytime soon.
@@joshjamescars I still think Lexus is a luxury brand, but their strategy has been off. Range Rovers are horrible for reliability, so I believe the GX can beat out Land Rover. The Mercedes G550 starts at $170K, so I still think Lexus can find a spot at the higher end.
Hey Josh, do you think the 1958 is worth the price after your week of driving? I spend about 30 days a year outdoors hunting and fishing. So with that into consideration... Or do you think it's too striped down and basic after your time with it, and go up to land cruiser model trim? Mind you i plan to keep the vehicle for at least 15 years.
DEFINITELY not worth the new price. And if you need it to last without question for 15 years, I would wait until there’s a little more long term data on the reliability of this drivetrain. The T24A engine has only been out since the 2022 model year and the turbo/hybrid combo came out a year later in 2023 in the RX500h. That’s not enough real world time on the roads in the hands of owners to make a determination. You may have seen that the V35A TT V6 had catastrophic engine failure and the new Tacoma is having transmission failure. I won’t say that is typical but there are issues that will only come to light when cars are on the road in the hands of actual consumers. So my advice is, if you don’t need a new car immediately, give it a couple years. The other reason I say that is that like I say in the video, it will be interesting to see how these do on the used market. If you could get one in 2026 CPO for $40-45 instead of $55, that would be a GREAT buy.
Where would you put the U.S. Land Cruser 200 Series in the list of these two? I mean is it more like the Lexus or the new Land Cruser with all the upgrades you can buy? Thanks for the video!
The 200 series is quite literally a larger GX460. It is in every way the same kind of car-premium, comfortable, all-rounder with a big V8, old school build quality and materials, and hydraulic KDSS. The 200-series was replaced globally by the 300-series which we don’t get here. This Land Cruiser Prado isn’t the replacement for a 200.
Spot on! It is a real shame that Lexus is moving away from their heritage as a luxury brand towards sporty tech. Honestly, I fear that they are more interested in pleasing the automotive reviewers - trad media and social media alike - who, unlike you (which is why I love their channel), seem to like fast and techy, more than their customers who want a high-quality, luxury option. I know you are not a fan, but this is where Hyundai is being smart and giving great fit & finish - i.e., the luxury you used to get with Lexus - with a naturally aspirated V6 under the hood in their Palisade Calligraphy as well as their Genesis GV80, both of which are in the $60K range. JD Power ranks Hyundai and Genesis as more reliable (slightly - not talking a big difference here) than Nissan and Infiniti - funnily enough, both Hyundai and Nissan rank higher than their luxury brands - so there are other alternatives that are arguably better than the Infiniti QX60 or 80.
The problem with Hyundai/Kia/Genesis is that they don’t have the long term reliability record that Toyota and Honda do. If you haven’t ever heard of the Theta engine failures, that’s a good one to look up. Are their new products better? Possibly. But the GV80 also has had a ton of reliability issues and depreciates by around 50% in 3 years (you can buy a 2021 GV80 with around 25K miles in the low to mid $30s). The Stinger was another one that had huge potential but ended up having issues as well. If someone likes Hyundai/Kia/Genesis vehicles my advice is to do the same thing you’d do with the Germans and lease. If it ends up being solid, then maybe buy it out at the end of the term, IF the value of the buyout is less than the vehicle’s depreciated value which it sometimes isn’t, especially on Genesis vehicles.
@@joshjamescars I don't disagree with the comparison to Toyota/Lexus. (Though maybe that is going as well - I'm calling out you, the V35A-FTS 3.4L engine! 😀) Just with the suggestion that anyone looking for an alternative that the only one is the Infiniti QX80. Nissan used to be a good company, but ever since Carlos Ghosn, its quality has been suspect, not even as good as Hyundai.
@I_like_pears I disagree with that. Nissan and Hyundai are at around the same place, though Nissan has some products that are really solid. The QX80 and Armada’s engine, for example, is the VR-series V6 and the basic architecture has been around for well over 10 years and has had all the kinks worked out in GT-R, Q50, and other products. The Armada also offers a ton of value for what I’m hoping will be a good price. It’s a Patrol which had always been the direct competitor to the full size Land Cruiser as opposed to the Sequoia that we now get here with no full-time 4QD.
Careful Josh. You keep these awesome videos coming and you might just have to reply to a hundred thousand people. 😎😅 I'm assuming that a GX 550 Overtrail would be a little bit more luxurious 4Runner TRD Pro?? I love my 4Runner, but miss my GX 460 also. Maybe the 550 Overtrail would be the sweet spot between the two? I'll have to test drive one and find out. ;)
I think the 550 overtrail definitely would be a good choice for that-though you’ll want to get the Overtrail+ to get the Mark Levinson and other things you would have had with your GX460.
Josh, I love your video and I am seriously thinking about buying GX460 mainly because of your videos and I loved it when I test drove it. But I have to be honest, your analogy with Rolex vs. Apple Watch is a bad one! You are comparing a 10k dollar watch (Rolex) with a 1000 dollar watch (Apple Watch) and clearly Rolex is a status symbol for most people who wear it. Maybe more appropriate one is to say GX 460 is like a Grand Seiko 😂
I do, but the Sequoia in general has never been a favorite of mine since the full size Land Cruiser was always available in the market alongside it. Although the independent rear suspension on the 2nd gen Sequoia did make the ride more compliant than the solid axle 4Runner, GX, and Land Cruiser 200. The current one lacks both the independent rear suspension and full-time 4WD on any configuration which makes it a non-starter for me.
Nissan Armada or Infiniti QX80. If you want the V8, buy the 2024 model year, if you don’t mind the twin turbo V6, look at the brand new 2025 model. That said, I do think the GX460 will comfortably fit a family of 4.
@@joshjamescars thx that's what I'm leaning towards too but was reading about how they have engine issues with cylinder 7, has that been resolved in newer gens?
There's no 2024/2025 car 20k UNDER that price that has a full hard plastic interior like that. Completely unacceptable even if they are moving away from so called "Symbolic" side. Just another convenient excuse for cost cutting
I would def not touch a new LC for at least another year. It needs more time in the oven to get the turbo, electric motor, gas engine, and transmission all working together seamlessly.
For us the new prices for the new lc300 and lc250 makes absolutely no sense. They're just way overpriced for what they're. The lc250 should have been the midd tier vehicle for offroaders as a replacement for the Prado and FJ that you mod it ,but with that price you have reached the luxury brands and almost you will be able to get lc300 ! I don't see what's the position of this turbo v4 engine here. IMO it is a big fail from TOYOTA. I like its looks but the engine and the price is a real disappointment.
Josh, outstanding comparison and contrast video between the Toyota and Lexus however, in my opinion I’m always going with Lexus. I have been with Lexus since 1989 and I purchased my first Lexus 1990 LS 400 and it was absolutely beautiful and I was in love with Lexus For life…🇯🇵❤️🤍 Keep up the good work. I really enjoy your videos with the Lexus GX 460 if you can please do a video on the 2021 LX 570 please please please….lol❤
You know… I would have said the same thing 2-3 years ago but their new products are just lackluster. If having the badge means more to you than the quality of the vehicle, buy Lexus. But there are other alternatives out there today too that give you way more for the money.
Nice presentation, full in detail for the slow gurls round here on RUclips. But I feel like Lexus drop the ball with Gx550,they should carry the legacy of the Gx460, and Toyota know they dropped the ball with their core Gx460 fans. Why make a Gx550 to feel like a 4 runner or LC or Tacoma, Lexus should keep Luxury /comfort first, if you want more off road truck buy a Toyota. Nowadays Lexus don have a SUV like Gx460 that will compete with a BMW x5 series or Mercedes GLC class or Audi Q7 or Volvo x90 or with a Infiniti qx60 or Genesis V80 etc etc... Toyota Camry interior from 2016 looks more premium than the new LC that you drove.
TOTALLY AGREE. I don’t think Lexus is chasing the luxury market anymore (except with their prices). And yeah the Camry interior feels more premium than most new Lexus vehicles.
@@joshjamescars you so right... except the price. Even Nissan is coming out hard with their cars, I don't know if you saw the new Armada? That SUV is wow 😳
No but their core buyer bases are largely the same-fanboys who will go into massive debt to buy their cars. To your point about the long run, the general public is a different story… the fact that I don’t see many GX550s and Land Cruisers on the road here tells me a lot.
I just purchased a 2023 GX460 Premium+
It’s already so special to me and my wife. Wouldn’t have purchased it if it weren’t for you/your channel 👌🏽💪🏽
Congratulations!!! So glad I could be part of your car buying journey!
I appreciate your videos because it’s clear you do your research and do more than surface level discussions or reviews found on other car RUclipsr channels.
Great insight and I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, the buyers of the GX and 2024 Land Cruiser are going to be a lot of new buyers and not those coming from the older models. Personally speaking, is too early to tell on what the sales numbers will be, it may be similar to what they were in the past….in the end, we obviously are disgusted with the price increase of Toyota cars, but, all manufacturers are increasing their prices and even Toyota takes a step back in build quality or reliability,it’s probably still better than the majority, thus, they won’t lose much of the market share. Time will tell. Keep making your videos.
I think you’re right, the thing that will work against them is the drastic price increase. A loaded Land Cruiser is $20K more than a loaded 2024 4Runner. A loaded GX is about $15K more than a 2023, and so for someone buying in cash that’s a LOT more to shell out, and for someone financing that could easily be another $500/month more depending on interest rate. Although we know people are stupid and will go into ridiculous debt to buy what they want, I do think that will automatically rule out a substantial number of buyers. I’ve noticed Tacomas getting some pretty big discounts here and selling well below MSRP on the used market in my area.
Nice video Josh.. good comparison and helpful insight. We have a 22' GX460 Sport Design and have come to same conclusions with new GX 550. We would have to go to the LX600 to upgrade the experience. The cost is $30-40K more. I hope you get to review an LX soon.
I like the Apple watch vs Rolex comparison. I like analogue gauges and dislike digital gauges for the same reason. There is something more elegant and timeless about a well-executed analogue watch face that a digital watch face will never have. Same goes for the gauges in vehicles. Why am I paying more for a digital gauge that costs less to make than an analogue gauge that costs more to make.
Same. Not to mention I don’t find (most) digital gauge clusters to be more functional. Toyota’s most definitely isn’t as you probably saw in my Camry video. 😂
Yah agreed. This is like the alternating round and curved edges all.the phone companies do to make you feel like you're missing out. It's a psychological trick that really provides no ascertainable value for the vast majority, and in fact should be discounted regardless of the capital.cost becuase it is sure to have more issues over time. The used market will ultimately be what pushes that dynamic to the surface and calls out the car makers for such pursuits. There is a reason the newer cars are not holding their values
I love this video; it’s a love letter to all Prado owners. Your 150 points are spot on, keep this up bro. Bravo 👏👏👏😊
Thank you!!! I feel like a lot of us will be holding onto ours for a good long time. 😂
@@joshjamescars yes and I’m one of them. Especially to the 4runner Limited owners imo.
Extremely thoughtful and well-presented comparison!
So Porsche takes on the Toyota way of doing manufacturing to be more successful and now Toyota is taking on the Porsche way of pricing itself out of the market to the lower 95% of buyers.
HAHAHA PRECISELY. Why offer a bargain when you can charge more for less? 😂
@@joshjamescars Which is exactly what Toyota/Lexus seems to be doing since 2023 models.
250= Light Duty 70= Heavy Duty 300/200= Luxury Station Wagon
Yes! Just one addition-the luxury station wagon has always had the heavy duty frame as well. The 300-series, for example, takes the standard wide body TNGA-F and reinforces it to make it stronger and more resilient than what you’d find under a Sequoia or Tundra which technically use the same frame but without the reinforcement.
Great video! Loving your work...
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Great comparison!
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Another great vid… u rock brotha man!
Thank you!
Good summary. We have to accept that the GX460 has been retired, and a similar but different model has taken its place in the lineup (price wise). Really, the new GX is just a fancier version of the LC. Not quite a “real” Lexus. Or what a Lexus has historically been. I believe you alluded to this in the past, when you mentioned Lexus’ motto was “the pursuit of excellence”. Now it’s “a super nice Toyota”. Sort of a bespoke Toyota.
its not really fancier, its just an LC with more options, if you get the base model, there is almost zero difference beyond the power train. You get a base model MDX, you will feel a difference to a Pilot touring.
I agree with both of you here. The GX is definitely not a luxury vehicle, and @PWCDN is right that you feel a difference going from a Pilot to an MDX and id say the same is true going from a Pathfinder to a QX60. But going from a Land Cruiser to a GX is almost a step down without the buttons and bespoke steering wheel and the same is true of going from a Grand Highlander to a TX.
@joeblack1052 The new GX is exactly that too. Not sure what your point is.
Yes but Lexus made a ton of changes in every respect to the 460 which itself was based on a premium product. The new Lexus vehicles, to the others’ comments, aren’t more premium than their Toyota counterparts.
@@joeblack1052 I meant current versions (Lexus) are just a little tarted up compared to previous models which were much nicer than Toyota counterparts. A GX550 as plush as Josh’s would cost $90K, and I think Lexus is “trying” to keep prices from rising too much (but they cut costs on that which makes Lexus a Lexus).
Old skool v8 GX for me. That is where the refined ride is.
Dude you are 100% right.i'm searching for a lux / sport Gx with low miles.prefer atomic silver or white with red guts.i know it's a unicorn but i will keep looking
That doesn’t sound like it would be too hard to find. Be sure you’re looking at states where things like the GX sells well. Texas, for example, always has a ton of them around.
if we're buying used, for a little bit more maybe springing for a moderately used the last generation V8 Land Cruiser is equally a good choice
Yes! That would be a good alternative too! The problem with the Land Cruiser is that they’re now about 4 years old so you’re likely at high mileage and beyond factory warranty on most versus the GX460 which you can still find with as little as 5K miles and 6 years of L-Certified warranty.
At least Porsche has gone back to offering V8's in their SUVs
Yes, though to get the V8, you have to get the Cayenne S which starts at $101K and is more like $130-150K with options on the dealer lot.
What's interesting is that Silverado 4 turbo cylinder makes Toyotas non-hybrid Turbo 4 look bad. The horsepower and torque alone is a wild difference.
Toyota is headed in the wrong direction. The turbo 4 cylinders are for green credits. They're not necessarily any more fuel efficient.
Lol that graphic just shows its less luxury for more money. Make it make sense!
SERIOUSLY!!! That’s exactly where my mind went.
I have an early gen gx460 with 140k and wouldn’t trade it for the world. Will be buying a newer gx460 for my wife when she is due for a new car. Have no interest in these newer Toyota/lexus SUV’s. A big step backwards in my opinion.
I would buy sooner rather than later if you think you may want one. They’ll continue to age out and good ones will be fewer and farther between as time goes on.
@@joshjamescars agree 100%! Our oldest begins driving soon. She gets my wife current car. Wife was town between and RX and GX, but after a recent light off roading trip, she wants a GX. Haha.
Toyota is using its legacy as a pricing strategy. I would call it nostalgia pricing. I believe this market will eventually even out as CPOs hit the market in 1-2 years. However, with the Lexus GX, the interior quality can be improved with more leather and wood trims. I still think Lexus is trying to figure out their blend of modern design with Luxury materials. If Lexus could copy the interior material choices of the Range Rover, they would have the perfect car in the GX550.
Lexus seems to be moving downmarket toward premium (Acura) and not luxury (Mercedes/RangeRover), so I don’t think we’ll see that from them anytime soon.
@@joshjamescars I still think Lexus is a luxury brand, but their strategy has been off. Range Rovers are horrible for reliability, so I believe the GX can beat out Land Rover. The Mercedes G550 starts at $170K, so I still think Lexus can find a spot at the higher end.
@dsdddsd4543we I say premium because if you sit in the new NX, RX, TX, or GX; the materials and drivetrains say “nicer, quieter Toyota”
Hey Josh, do you think the 1958 is worth the price after your week of driving? I spend about 30 days a year outdoors hunting and fishing. So with that into consideration... Or do you think it's too striped down and basic after your time with it, and go up to land cruiser model trim? Mind you i plan to keep the vehicle for at least 15 years.
DEFINITELY not worth the new price. And if you need it to last without question for 15 years, I would wait until there’s a little more long term data on the reliability of this drivetrain. The T24A engine has only been out since the 2022 model year and the turbo/hybrid combo came out a year later in 2023 in the RX500h. That’s not enough real world time on the roads in the hands of owners to make a determination. You may have seen that the V35A TT V6 had catastrophic engine failure and the new Tacoma is having transmission failure. I won’t say that is typical but there are issues that will only come to light when cars are on the road in the hands of actual consumers. So my advice is, if you don’t need a new car immediately, give it a couple years. The other reason I say that is that like I say in the video, it will be interesting to see how these do on the used market. If you could get one in 2026 CPO for $40-45 instead of $55, that would be a GREAT buy.
Thanks so much Josh. Words of wisdom. I will hold off as I don't need it immediately. Thank you so much for your time and guidance.
Where would you put the U.S. Land Cruser 200 Series in the list of these two? I mean is it more like the Lexus or the new Land Cruser with all the upgrades you can buy? Thanks for the video!
The 200 series is quite literally a larger GX460. It is in every way the same kind of car-premium, comfortable, all-rounder with a big V8, old school build quality and materials, and hydraulic KDSS. The 200-series was replaced globally by the 300-series which we don’t get here. This Land Cruiser Prado isn’t the replacement for a 200.
Spot on! It is a real shame that Lexus is moving away from their heritage as a luxury brand towards sporty tech. Honestly, I fear that they are more interested in pleasing the automotive reviewers - trad media and social media alike - who, unlike you (which is why I love their channel), seem to like fast and techy, more than their customers who want a high-quality, luxury option.
I know you are not a fan, but this is where Hyundai is being smart and giving great fit & finish - i.e., the luxury you used to get with Lexus - with a naturally aspirated V6 under the hood in their Palisade Calligraphy as well as their Genesis GV80, both of which are in the $60K range. JD Power ranks Hyundai and Genesis as more reliable (slightly - not talking a big difference here) than Nissan and Infiniti - funnily enough, both Hyundai and Nissan rank higher than their luxury brands - so there are other alternatives that are arguably better than the Infiniti QX60 or 80.
The problem with Hyundai/Kia/Genesis is that they don’t have the long term reliability record that Toyota and Honda do. If you haven’t ever heard of the Theta engine failures, that’s a good one to look up. Are their new products better? Possibly. But the GV80 also has had a ton of reliability issues and depreciates by around 50% in 3 years (you can buy a 2021 GV80 with around 25K miles in the low to mid $30s). The Stinger was another one that had huge potential but ended up having issues as well. If someone likes Hyundai/Kia/Genesis vehicles my advice is to do the same thing you’d do with the Germans and lease. If it ends up being solid, then maybe buy it out at the end of the term, IF the value of the buyout is less than the vehicle’s depreciated value which it sometimes isn’t, especially on Genesis vehicles.
@@joshjamescars I don't disagree with the comparison to Toyota/Lexus. (Though maybe that is going as well - I'm calling out you, the V35A-FTS 3.4L engine! 😀) Just with the suggestion that anyone looking for an alternative that the only one is the Infiniti QX80. Nissan used to be a good company, but ever since Carlos Ghosn, its quality has been suspect, not even as good as Hyundai.
@I_like_pears I disagree with that. Nissan and Hyundai are at around the same place, though Nissan has some products that are really solid. The QX80 and Armada’s engine, for example, is the VR-series V6 and the basic architecture has been around for well over 10 years and has had all the kinks worked out in GT-R, Q50, and other products. The Armada also offers a ton of value for what I’m hoping will be a good price. It’s a Patrol which had always been the direct competitor to the full size Land Cruiser as opposed to the Sequoia that we now get here with no full-time 4QD.
If you drive a 460 first u prob won’t buy any of the others.
Careful Josh. You keep these awesome videos coming and you might just have to reply to a hundred thousand people. 😎😅 I'm assuming that a GX 550 Overtrail would be a little bit more luxurious 4Runner TRD Pro?? I love my 4Runner, but miss my GX 460 also. Maybe the 550 Overtrail would be the sweet spot between the two? I'll have to test drive one and find out. ;)
I think the 550 overtrail definitely would be a good choice for that-though you’ll want to get the Overtrail+ to get the Mark Levinson and other things you would have had with your GX460.
Josh, I love your video and I am seriously thinking about buying GX460 mainly because of your videos and I loved it when I test drove it. But I have to be honest, your analogy with Rolex vs. Apple Watch is a bad one! You are comparing a 10k dollar watch (Rolex) with a 1000 dollar watch (Apple Watch) and clearly Rolex is a status symbol for most people who wear it. Maybe more appropriate one is to say GX 460 is like a Grand Seiko 😂
It is true! Though Grand Seiko is $5K and up as well. Perhaps Apple Watch versus a great Longines or something. 😂
Are you saying Prado 150 not for USA is better than this 250 Prado?
I’d personally take a Prado 150 over a 250 regardless of country. The 250 is fine but it isn’t the same kind of vehicle the 150 was.
I want an N/A engine only, so I will have to buy an older model.
do you have experience with second gen sequoia in terms of driving dynamic?
I do, but the Sequoia in general has never been a favorite of mine since the full size Land Cruiser was always available in the market alongside it. Although the independent rear suspension on the 2nd gen Sequoia did make the ride more compliant than the solid axle 4Runner, GX, and Land Cruiser 200.
The current one lacks both the independent rear suspension and full-time 4WD on any configuration which makes it a non-starter for me.
@@joshjamescars in your opinion what would be a good alternative to gx460 that is larger and more fitting for family of 4?
Nissan Armada or Infiniti QX80. If you want the V8, buy the 2024 model year, if you don’t mind the twin turbo V6, look at the brand new 2025 model. That said, I do think the GX460 will comfortably fit a family of 4.
@@joshjamescars thx that's what I'm leaning towards too but was reading about how they have engine issues with cylinder 7, has that been resolved in newer gens?
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There's no 2024/2025 car 20k UNDER that price that has a full hard plastic interior like that. Completely unacceptable even if they are moving away from so called "Symbolic" side. Just another convenient excuse for cost cutting
Could not agree more!!! The 1958 in general shouldn’t exist IMO. It should be left for other markets where it can have a diesel and a lower price tag.
I really want to buy the LC first edition, but i am still uncomfortable to spend that much money to buy a immatured/ unrefined engine.
I would def not touch a new LC for at least another year. It needs more time in the oven to get the turbo, electric motor, gas engine, and transmission all working together seamlessly.
For us the new prices for the new lc300 and lc250 makes absolutely no sense. They're just way overpriced for what they're. The lc250 should have been the midd tier vehicle for offroaders as a replacement for the Prado and FJ that you mod it ,but with that price you have reached the luxury brands and almost you will be able to get lc300 ! I don't see what's the position of this turbo v4 engine here. IMO it is a big fail from TOYOTA. I like its looks but the engine and the price is a real disappointment.
Josh, outstanding comparison and contrast video between the Toyota and Lexus however, in my opinion I’m always going with Lexus. I have been with Lexus since 1989 and I purchased my first Lexus 1990 LS 400 and it was absolutely beautiful and I was in love with Lexus For life…🇯🇵❤️🤍 Keep up the good work. I really enjoy your videos with the Lexus GX 460 if you can please do a video on the 2021 LX 570 please please please….lol❤
You know… I would have said the same thing 2-3 years ago but their new products are just lackluster. If having the badge means more to you than the quality of the vehicle, buy Lexus. But there are other alternatives out there today too that give you way more for the money.
Nice presentation, full in detail for the slow gurls round here on RUclips.
But I feel like Lexus drop the ball with Gx550,they should carry the legacy of the Gx460, and Toyota know they dropped the ball with their core Gx460 fans. Why make a Gx550 to feel like a 4 runner or LC or Tacoma, Lexus should keep Luxury /comfort first, if you want more off road truck buy a Toyota.
Nowadays Lexus don have a SUV like Gx460 that will compete with a BMW x5 series or Mercedes GLC class or Audi Q7 or Volvo x90 or with a Infiniti qx60 or Genesis V80 etc etc...
Toyota Camry interior from 2016 looks more premium than the new LC that you drove.
TOTALLY AGREE. I don’t think Lexus is chasing the luxury market anymore (except with their prices). And yeah the Camry interior feels more premium than most new Lexus vehicles.
@@joshjamescars you so right... except the price.
Even Nissan is coming out hard with their cars, I don't know if you saw the new Armada? That SUV is wow 😳
Side note.... Apple products overrated and dated just like Mercedes products
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I could not agree more. They’ve stopped innovating and everything feels stale these days.
Lexus has lost its ways. Performance/capability without luxury shouldn't have a Lexus tag, that's a Toyota.
YES. Exactly this.
He is not talking about US
Not sure why you’d think that, I am in the US.
Except Toyota is no where near as exciting as Porsche. Wonder how this will pan out for Toyota in the long run.
No but their core buyer bases are largely the same-fanboys who will go into massive debt to buy their cars. To your point about the long run, the general public is a different story… the fact that I don’t see many GX550s and Land Cruisers on the road here tells me a lot.