Julia Louis-Dreyfus SHREDS Seinfeld’s Anti-Woke Ramblings To Pieces
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There’s a great interview with George Carlin where he talked about Andrew dice clay talking shit about immigrants, blacks and gays. Carlin said all those people laughing at those jokes wouldn’t like Clay for being Jewish. He also said Clay was making fun of the people with no power and the people laughing at his stuff feared a loss of power. Carlin was truly ahead of his time
George Carlin has at least one bit where he does nothing but say the N-word, but these unfunny hacks would call him "woke" if he was alive today (because he wasn't actually attacking Black people in that bit).
Unfortunately the audience didn’t get what dice was doing - and even more unfortunately, Dice didn’t care.
I wonder if Carlin would've pursued comedy if you showed him the sheer mass of braindead douchebros trying to be the next Carlin.
That means something coming from a guy that's always punching up towards the rich & powerful. That's one of the many reasons, despite being a white male, I do NOT vote for Ratpublicans.
Especially since Andrew Dice Clay was cosplaying as a tough Italian Fonzie type.
Imagine thinking MASH wasn’t massively anti-war 😂
i'm one of those people that wishes gunpowder was never invented and wring my hands over wars still raging after thousands of years of learning how devastating it is - and i watched MASH regularly. it definitely was anti-war. not anti-military personnel, anti-war
Father Mulcahy: War is Hell.
Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
There are 2 version of MASH that air in Australia, one with a laugh track and one without. The one without the laugh track is some seriously heavy viewing. Still great after all these years.
Imagine thinking there was ANY period of time post-agricultural revolution where art wasn't being used to undermine the powers that be. People that believe that don't understand how art and media function. (Not that all art is subversive; plenty of art conforms to and promotes existing power structures but also just look at the history of art, and you'll quickly notice a pattern ESPECIALLY when it comes to the past works that are still popular today.)
@@Gildedmuse "My father always said that artists use lies to tell the truth while politicians use lies to cover the truth up."
--Evey Hammond in V for Vendetta
I'm 60. I'm 3 years older than Sam Seder, and 2 years younger than Julia Louis-Dreyfus, so we grew up in the same media environment. And this complaint about cringe, etc, is not new. When I was a kid, after-school programming had lots and lots of "Little Rascals", and Shirley Temple films, etc. I remember the "Step-n-Fetchit" character, and my parents absolute disgust with that depiction of Blackness. Buckwheat and Farina on "Little Rascals" were offensive depictions, and my parents made sure I knew about it. But, where my parents absolutely drew the line and forbade me from watching was "Hogan's Heroes". I confess that as a kid I absolutely loved that show, and my parents not only commented that the depictions of WWII, Nazis, Prison camps...etc was offensive, but that if I was caught watching it, my television would be removed. They considered it a moral failing to view these issues casually. And they were right.
Today, many complain that they are forbidden from being funny by an awareness that misanthropic comedy is actually bad for civilization. Those complaints are childish. Such standards don't embargo all aggressive comedy. They only require a bit of responsible social conscience. Learn the difference between depictions like Buckwheat and Farina as suggestive of all male Blackness, and so forth. Understand that Sgt. Schultz could not have existed, and a chummy, comic Third Reich prison camp setting is just offensive. It is excruciating watching mass/dominant culture try to develop a social conscience. Go back and watch an episode of "Bonanza", or "The Green Berets". The depictions of Asians is disgusting.
I just talked about Hogans Hero's this week with a coworker who never heard of it. That show had to have been edgy in the 1960s. Shultz and Klink were both played by Jews. The man who played Klink actually escaped Germany with his family.
I don't think it was disrespectful of Jews. It was disrespectful of N@zis. It made them out to be the irrational, incompetent fools they always were.
@Bailark - Great points. Thank you.
Your 'woke' analyses exhibit a level of intelligence rarely encountered on social media.
@@aphoristaemporium123 what’s a “woke analysis”? Why isn’t it just an analysis?
@@Bailark I hope they're trying to use woke in it's original meaning, but yes in the year 2024 it should simply be an astute analysis.
To the privileged, equality feels like oppression.
This should be on a t-shirt
Jews are made fun of too, how's Seinfeld "privileged"?
@@Mr_user_1000 He's rich and famous.
You bet. That's why the privileged can never recognize anyone as equal unless they themselves are recognized as superior.
@@Diinytro So being rich and famous somehow makes him not Jew? How exactly being rich and famous makes Seinfeld immune to jokes about Jews?
Am I so out of touch? No. It’s the children who are wrong.
Love a good Simpson's reference.
It’s the children he touched
@@Joemamajoestar682 Honestly? Probably. He's a conservative, and that's usually enough to guarantee some illegal diddling.
Except not all of us are on board with wokeness cause we're young. You people need to stop trying to claim us.
Seinfeld knows a lot about staying in touch with children.
Jerry misses the days when famous 38 year olds could date 17 year olds and no one would object.
If you can't use your money and fame to exploit the less powerful, what's even the point?
What right would anyone have to "object" to consensual relationships?
That's still happens though
@@chingiskhan4709You being serious or you memeing to piss people off?
@@chingiskhan4709 The age of consent is 18 in the USA.
So he'd be dating a minor, who by definition, can't consent.
(save for edge cases like Romeo and Juliet laws where one partner is 17 and the other is 18 or so)
How is it that Julia somehow grew up filthy rich yet ended up as an empathetic person, meanwhile Jerry grew up middle class and ended up being a heartless jerk?
It is per individual
if the poor couldn’t be dumb fecks they wouldn’t let billionaires rule their lifes. while wealth can lead to sociopathy, anybody can be a horrible human being
A lot of people who become rich become Uber protective of their wealth. They also think it’s something they earned solely by themselves vs. acknowledging all the boosts and help they got to be in their position
@@argadargad9128 I was asking rhetorically, though I understand it's not very clear.
Contrary to popular belief character isn’t predetermined by socioeconomic status. A jerk with 1 dollar will be a jerk with 1 million.
"Back in my day, things were the way things were, now they're different, WhAtS tHe dEaL WiTh tHaT?!"
As Archie and Edith would sing..."those were the days".
Speak for yourself not for some people if not different not too much more I can tell you from experience not what I heard
@@toneyingram732 wut
@@toneyingram732did u have a stroke?
@@ComradeCatpurrnicusHe couldn't have been more clear. People if different not different the experience have heard my people what they said.
It's right there in black and white.
"Booing" is also free speech. If you are getting "booed," then you are not funny. If people are not allowed to "boo," then there is no free speech.
exactly. there is not right not to be offended, but joking about dispriviledged is not offending them it is hate speech. booing Someone is maybe offending them but is free speech, and they are not protected against it
THIS!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOO!
As a minority in Hollywood, I can tell you a big part of why people say "You can't get a job in Hollywood when you're a white guy" is because their agent told them that to justify why their agent couldn't get them work. The agents blame diversity and say that it's been a miracle the agent ever got them work in the first place. It's a way for agents to keep from getting fired.
The Nerd Rage at the Gamestop guy. I know him. He's a screaming racist blaming minorities for why he can't get work. Nobody evaluates his work as being any good. I think his work is very awful. He still works five times for every one job I get. And he gets greater quality work. He's WGA and TAG. All the time, he's only thrown away his career by screaming about minorities taking his job. If he kept his mouth shut he would have Peter Principled his way through a whole career in animation writing.
"you can't make funny shows anymore because woke"
*It's Always Sunny exists*
Veep also exists.
@@sylvesteruchia5263 not if you like your eyes, ears and brain.
Ted Lasso is hilarious. I never found Seinfeld to be more than hit and miss.
So does Curb your Enthusiasm lol. He needs Larry to be funny clearly
South Park...
I think it must kill Jerry Seinfeld, how smart and funny and intelligent Julia Louis-Dreyfus is. On top of that, she is a fine, fine actor. So she's everything he's not.
@@aliamjon2550 People are calling Jerry Seinfeld out for being the unfunny hack that he clearly is, and you're slobbering all over him and being his white knight and simping hard and hoping that he'll acknowledge your existence.
He won't, and if he did, it wouldn't fix the missing part of your soul.
She was great on Veep
She doesn't have to undermine and attack others to feel good & be accepted.
He hired her, you mouth breather. He loves the Seinfeld cast, but has always been an ass.
@@andrewkoster6506lol, triggered much? You should use all caps next time.
Seinfeld: No one has laughed at my comedy in 20 years. It’s the audience’s fault that they don’t understand my brilliance.
Brother, your whole shtick was "unfunny observational comedy that is only funny because i'm playing a fictional comedian and we can laugh at him for being unfunny". WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA ass gimmick.
It even was a running gag on the show, how Jerry can´t come up with anything new and his stand up sucks and none of the others want to watch it. I used to think, he was in on the joke, but obviously he wasn´t.
So is the consensus that Seinfeld was just a really successful industry plant? Or was he genuinely channeling the zeitgeist at the time and just not clever enough to evolve with the times?
Trump syndrome that is what it is 😂
he's got the FIGJAM syndrome now. (Fuck I'm Good,Just Ask Me)
I'm 61 years old and grew up on cowboy movies. Use to love the US Calvery vs the Indian savages. Now that I have a more complete understanding of history I can't stand those movies. They made the true victims into bad guys and John Wayne can kiss my a$$.
People like Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, Bill Maher, Glinner, John Cleese, and Jerry Seinfeld fail to understand that we're not *triggered* or *offended* by outdated material, we're mainly *bored,* *baffled,* and *embarrassed* by it!
Who is this "we"? The Wokes on the cultural left? Why should they get to decide what's funny or outdated? I think the majority of people would love for that kind of humor to come back. But it's not being made because the media companies are too afraid to offend progressives. They're afraid because they know that when progressives get offended they're going to throw a temper tantrum on social media. And for some strange reason that's taken seriously instead of being ridiculed.
I'm not....ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED ARE AMAZING COMEDIANS
@@dclovejoy432 , *were* amazing comedians.
Many of them have stopped telling jokes in favor of whining about cancel culture or endlessly wailing about trans people, or their more recent material just isn't as fresh or funny.
Right like curb has plenty of potentially offensive content, but when it crosses the line it's not dumb brainless shit like "haha trans ppl bad" looking at you chapelle
What did John Cleese say that was anti-woke?
It's not "woke". If we can condense down the paradigm change into a single phrase: you can't punch down anymore.
That's it.
You can't punch down anymore. It's not cool to make fun of people that are in groups that are persecuted, underserved, or otherwise are having a hard time as it is.
Call it woke if you want, but that's really what I've been seeing lately.
And it's a good fucking thing.
🎯
Well said _👏_
Very well said.
No, it's not a good thing. Stop being overly sensitive and get a sense of humor. In other words, stop being woke.
@@Mr_user_1000 Stop being empathetic? Stop having such a good grasp on history? Stop being so intelligent? Stop forcing people to live in the closet?
If Dick Van Dyke and Mel Brooks can be funny still while theyre almost a century old, Jerry has no excuse. He's just not funny
Exactly.
IMO, Seinfeld was never was funny. I was never able to get thru a full episode IF I bothered to try to.
Good point.
@@GrumpyJerk I thought the show was funny. But it probably had more to do with Larry David than I realized at the time. I don't know about Seinfeld's standup act. That was a little before my time. People just get used to being a star and feel entitled. They don't realize how lucky they have been. They get whiny that they aren't the biggest thing around anymore. It is sad to watch. If I had a billion dollars I would just STFU and try not to bother people, and hope they return the favor.
@@jasonparker6138 He's a diva, don't forget the melt down on Larry King when he misspoke.
Bill Maher went from trying to be like George Carlin to being like Greg Guttfeld. He literally said he wants blackface to come back.
Source?
@@simplenough RUclips doesn't allow links. Majority Report did a story on it. Just type in bill maher blackface.
Lang leve zwarte piet!
Maher is just mad because the Motion Picture Academy didn't give him a nod at a Best Supporting actor nomination for his scintillating performance in D.C. Cab. Probably thinks that Mr. T. and Gary Busey took his thunder.
Blackface should absolutely make a comeback. In a perfect world there would be actors doing blackface in a commercial that is played during the Superbowl. The idea of so many Wokes getting so offended all at the same time... Just pure satisfaction. Chef's kiss.
When the king of “observational comedy” can’t even read a room anymore.
Archie Bunker was very formative for me to realize how ridiculous bigotry was.
I knew my GOAT wouldn’t let me down. JLD has 7 Lead Actress Emmys and a Mark Twin prize while Jerry has the Pop Tart movie.
💀💀💀
Truly 😂 This is all that needs to be said to Seinfeld any time he starts whining
@@cady__ LOL, yeah, he's waiting around to hear from idiots.
When I watched Seinfeld, 40% was because of George, 30% was because of Kramer and 30% was because of Elaine. Jerry Seinfeld could be a puppet siting in a corner and I would never notice.
Well put !👍🏾
97.5% Newman
I always preferred Costanza and Newman... I always skipped the parts about Jerry unless it involved Newman or Costanza.
This is genuinely how it was in our house too.
We put up with Jerry because it took place in his apartment.
Truth! Jerry was the canvas for the artists paint. I didn't always like the Elaine character, but JLD fleshed her shallowness out well. The "dance" will be forever etched on my brain. 😹
Bill Maher and Jerry Seinfeld have just aged out of being funny, are unwilling to evolve, and are resentful. They should go yell at clouds...
They both seem quite out of touch with regular people circumstances
Yeah, I mean if you have to get angry 'cause your joke doesn't land that means you aren't funny, and neither of them seem to understand that.
Maher was never funny.
@@travisrlel2 Maher regressed from "Jon Stewart-supplement-circa-2008" to "mad-uncle-at-thanksgiving"-nothingness. should really get off the air
Maher was NEVER funny....
Elaine, Kramer, and George carried that show
Oh yeah…Michael Richard’s isn’t cringe
@@pepesoria point out the part of the comment where I said he wasn’t
Never cared much for Kramer. George and Elaine never failed to make me laugh.
The joke was that the resident comedian (jerry) was the least funny character on the show.
Thats the way Jerry and Larry David wrote the show genius
Is any of this surprising? Seinfeld spent his entire career complaining, it's his shtick and it isn't funny.
Nice way to say: "anti woke is a shield to hide your mediocrity".
And bigotry.
@@mzavrosPretty much.
Larry carried him off the field. And JLD, Michael Richards, Jason Alexander, Wayne Knight, Jerry Stiller, Estelle Harris, etc...carried him on the field.
@@spanqueluv9er Yeah....that was the metaphor...We don't usually talk about actors and writers being carried by others, but we do with athletes. Jerry is Brock Purdy and his costars are the legitimate all pros.
@@chrisjmonty Larry David, Jason Alexander, Julia Louis Dreyfus, and Larry Charles.
I don’t understand where Seinfeld gets off complaining he can’t be edgy anymore when even at the show’s prime, it was criticized for playing it safe in being “about nothing” by focusing on First World “problems” and avoiding engagement with serious social topics, however comically, in any way.
I think the show itself was actually kind of edgy. The characters were like "It's Always Sunny" in that they were regularly terrible people. ... Seinfeld's stand-up style, however, was very vanilla. (Even the little snippets of the fictional Seinfeld that started each episode was true to his vanilla style.) Like, he was the least political, least edgy comedian. (He'd do bits about losing socks in the dryer.) So it's weird that he of all people would complain about being stifled.
@@WastedPoEither he thinks himself to have been on the same level as Lenny Bruce or he's blowing smoke out of his butt.
The whole joke of the "Jerry Seinfeld" character was that he was an extremely unfunny hack. Turns out it's not a character!
He was never funny he was so lucky to have a career with no talent whatsoever
You try to be funny "about nothing". And only oversensitive narcissistic lefties complain that a show is not about the problems that they want to talk about!😭😭😭
I feel even more justified now in my 30-year crush on JLD.
He thinks M.A.S.H isn’t woke! Did he not watch it?!?
All in the Family was incredibly edgy & liberal.
How does it even make sense to blame the audience for not laughing at your jokes? Your job as a comedian is to make them laugh. If they aren’t laughing, you’re not doing your job.
Burr just killed it at Berkeley - Berkeley!!! - with his offensive laden act. They didn’t boo him off the stage, they cheered and howled. Foibles are the glue of observational humor, Seinfeld ran out of airlines to complain about.
@@plunderpunk2 It's crazy how Bill Burr, by merely existing, proves all of these unfunny hacks to be exactly what they are when they whine about the audience being "triggered". Even aside from the times when he goes on an interview and openly mocks these whiny losers to their faces.
What happened to "reading the room"?
Jerry Seinfeld said the same thing, almost verbatim. That was back when most audiences were laughing at his jokes though. Now that they aren't laughing so much, Jerry has the self-awareness and humility to admit that his old views were naive and that it is totally the audience's fault.
@@EricKoonitsky-bd3hl rekt
In many cases, these folks aren’t mad because “the playing field has become leveled”… they’re mad because “the playing field is 15% less skewed towards them, leaving them with only an 83% advantage…”
@pose - good point!
So you're saying there are no harsh jokes about Jews? Saying Seinfeld is somehow "privileged" makes absolutely no sense.
@@Mr_user_1000 Nice B.S. strawman reframe. Seinfeld isn’t complaining about “harsh” jokes about Jews… he’s complaining about being called out on his “harsh” jokes about OTHER groups.
But nice try…
@@posefile8873 You need to learn what strawman means. How's Seinfeld complaining that “the playing field has become leveled”? Did he become 15% less Jewish?
@@Mr_user_1000 What do you think "privileged" means?
Elaine was always too good for Jerry.
And she knew that.
Jerry was the least interesting character hands down. The most interesting character was Elaine, Kramer and George.
@@BobLoblaw-rr2hkThey were all playing characters, Jerry was just being himself.
I only watched it for her, Kramer and George. I never thought he was all that funny. The rest were great. Plus I thought she had the most gorgeous hair ever.
He wasn't spongeworthy
Freedom of speech does not entitle you to an audience, let alone a paying one.
"Everybody's too woke nowadays... not that there's anything wrong with that."
Seinfeld is the best example for an old White has been, who lives in the past. Typical generational conflict. Oh look in the past EVERYTHING was better.
Everything _was_ better for White people. Who are the only people that should matter. Except for the woke ones. They don't matter.
Elaine wins... FATALITY
Flawless victory!
Get over here!
More like WHINEfeld.
zing!
you destroyed that man in a single bar
She’s the best. A thoughtful, nuanced answer that actually takes the question seriously.
ALL those programs Seinfeld mentioned WERE FOR A LEFT LEANING AUDIENCE! Duh!
It just goes to show that just because you’re a successful comedian you can still be unintelligent.
Seinfeld's comedy was never even close to being risque in the first place. This is so dumb.
Seinfeld was my favourite comfort show for almost a decade. Jerry was always my least favourite character. His standup straight up fucking sucks, and always has. I love the later seasons because they ditched the stand up cold open.
@@sspsp6545
Ditto all the way. I love the show Seinfeld, but his character is the least interesting thing about it most times. And his standup does nothing for me. Ray Romano is similar but funnier.
@@sspsp6545 What's the deal with airplane peanuts? They're so tiny. What airline am I on? The Lolita Express?!
@@sspsp6545 I would argue it was the other cast members that made the show "good"
@@aliamjon2550 Actually, JLD is opening a movie this weekend that's already been well-reviewed, and she was very successful fronting the show "Veep." You lose again. *puts aliamjon back to beddie-bye with another loss.*
Seinfeld taking pictures with the IOF lost his relevance as a moral standard. Period.
Right?? It turns my stomach. Can't stand looking at him now.
So that’s why he’s crying? …… He’s got a really bad understanding if he thinks that what IDF is doing should be given a mulligan.
What moral standard did Jerry Seinfeld of all people ever claim? We're not talking about a Cosby type figure who portrayed himself as a moralistic father figure for decades. Seinfeld did banal observational humor, played a selfish ass on his sitcom, and dated teenagers.
Only non irritating moralizing comment herr
@@SuzakuXanother common sense comment!!!
Never found Jerry Seinfeld funny.
He was never supposed to be funny. The whole joke of the "Jerry Seinfeld" character was that he was an extremely unfunny hack.
Turns out that the actor didn't understand the character that he was playing, but it just came naturally!
@@andrewkoster6506 But you can't sustain a one-gag (/zero-gag) comedy on that for for 9 seasons/180 episodes. 'Crank Yankers' and 'Da Ali G Show' were sidesplitting and furiously creative but got cancelled.
No soup for you!!
I always thought it was weird that Chris Rock always called him the best.
@@raskassputin7408 Do you think that, perhaps, comedian Chris Rock was making a "joke" in this case?
The irony of Bill Mahr and Jerry Seinfeld of all people, blaming "woke-ism" for being unable to be funny now. Now? Excuse me sirs, who'd been lying to you that you were ever funny in the first place. Two Hollywood stars turned "comedians", had enough moochers laughing at all their "jokes". Talk about being as funny as a chandelier.
I got discharged from the USAF right around the time Seinfeld started. I had a temp job over the holidays at a popular specialty bakery taking orders and there were a lot of Hollywood actors and other wheeler-dealers ordering cakes for gifts that year. I typically spoke to mostly their "people" but actually talked to JLD a few times on the phone. She was very gracious and funny and I'm not surprised that she's still gracious, smart and measured in her remarks about Seinfeld.
Jerry is a total creep, never found him funny, JLD is awesome and hilarious. Go Julia
agreed....I never found the J. Seinfeld shtick funny in the least....the only engaging snippets from his show were the supporting cast...and his standup was an irritating yawner.
@@poigmhahon God his standup is so bad, I would skip over it every time watching Seinfeld. George, Elaine and Kramer made that show.
Absolutely Jerry Seinfeld was never funny or entertaining or anything I don't understand how he was popular other than he surrounded himself with actually funny and talented people who actually did entertain so he just fell into the mix but he really sucked never liked him never will
@@DementiaDon And "Newman"......forget the actor's name!!
Even her character in Christmas Vacation ? Kidding she is a cool chick .
BTW: Mitzi Shore ( From N.Y.), founder of "The Comedy Store," never had Seinfeld on stage. She didn't think he was funny at all. 😊
To be fair, Mitzi Shore was a legitimate nutjob. Broken clocks and all, though.
MASH was very progressive
MASH was mostly amazing for me.
I only know actual mash, some cheese, butter, garlic, brilliant.
Did you see the movie the series was based on? The theme song had lyrics, and its title is "Suicide is Painless".
It was and that was a huge part of its success. It looks dated and inappropriate in many ways now, but it brought us to where we are now, to its great credit.
Jerry was never funny it was his cast that made him tolerable
Right. That's why NBC put *him* under contract, and he brought the rest of them along. Because he was so successful as a standup.
@@Historian212 Your opinion doesn't change my opinion I still don't give one fuck about where that other sock went
It’s nice to hear someone else openly agree with me that Seinfeld is NOT funny. Isn’t now, wasn’t then.
Anytime I have seen Dryfus do an interview she just comes across as a very genuine, decent person and a fun person to be around
Then you'll like her day-drinking with Seth Meyers yesterday. Hilarious.
@@3souris Thanks for the suggestion, I've seen some of those segments so I'm sure hers is good, I'll check it out
Has almost $1 billion and can’t stop fucking crying. God forbid you do any sort of introspection, Jerry.
Introspection ismt the issue with people. Stop moralizing. Yall made this dude rich to begin with, now you uselessly and condescendingly moralize. Just ugh.
@@yogidevendrabiriyani1777 That's a wide y'all.
@@yogidevendrabiriyani1777I was 15 when he started becoming filthy rich. It's obviously my doings and totally not my father who watches every rerun of Seinfeld at all hours of the day.
He actually does have one billion dollars as I was surprised to discover recently!
She COOKED to the max without being 100% explicit in her criticism of Jerry.
Jerry: They wouldnt air Seinfeld today!
I literally saw a rerun of Seinfeld on TV the other day...
Turned into a creep? Dude he was dating a 17 year old when he was 38 while Seinfeld was on air. He's always been a creep.
it's a theory, just like gravity
p3d0con theory never fails
I thought he was doing it now; in either case, still very creepy.
How does a decent woman marry someone like him after knowing he dated a 17 yr old?
@@Dienohmite$$$$$
When Seinfeld supported the IDF I knew he went off the deep end. I didn't watch the pop tart movie and stopped watching the Seinfeld show immediately.
Comedians who complain about "woke" are just salty their tired old lazy shtick is not working twenty years later
“Comedy isn’t funny because everything’s woke!”
Translation: I’m upset because I’m not as talented as I used to be!
Could I be that out of touch? No, it's the audience that's wrong.
When people laughed on sienfield it was edited in !
Fake laughter !
Yup. Taylor Thomlinson has no problem being funny without targeting anyone with derision passed off as poking fun.
Sensitive far-leftists are tiresome, though.
I loved Goldfinger when I was a kid. I tried to watch it with my son a few years ago. I had to turn it off after Sean Connery struck a woman on her butt and told her to leave because the men are talking. I don't see how updating my viewpoints could possibly be interpreted as a bad thing.
"you can't make a joke these days" --Sean Connery
I used to work in a library and got to meet Sean Connery. He had been trying to grab a book that had fallen behind the shelving and when he got up he hit his head at the back of the shelf. I went over to him to ask if he was OK and he replied, "I hurt my shelf."
@@thetartanspartan01 SO TRUE
@@andrewkoster6506 Thesh wokesh are ruining a fine shexshual exshperience - Sh-ean Connery
Exactly. I was so proud of my millennial son when I learned he told a dorm gathering in college that Bond was not being "so cool" in the scene currently playing: he was raping. When I was growing up, people debated how a woman could claim to have been raped if she hadn't fought to her death. I trust this generation's (incels excepted) instincts more than Seinfeld's.
I'm reading Outrageous by Kliph Nesterhoff right now! It's fantastic and really shows how "people are too sensitive", "you can't make jokes about anything anymore", and "I'm being silenced" have literally always been the refrain of hacks who are past their prime.
Glad to hear Julia speak out.
"Louise" is killing me 😂
Wow, only one in the comment section to mention that! JLD was on Jiminy Glick and spent virtually the entire segment correcting him re: pronouncing her name correctly.😅
Some comedian's take it personally because they are not funny without being condescending or mean spirited.
Insults aren't funny anymore.
Thinking of a woman as a prop to make a man look good is over.
Not for me.
Ah, that's a good way to put it! I just replied to another comment which I felt was going overboard saying you can't "punch down" and make jokes about any "oppressed group". I was trying to explain that I think most people understand when something is actually funny and done in good faith for the sake of humor vs. something done out of hate and in bad taste, but I like the way you put it that "insults aren't funny anymore". I think most people can understand when something is meant as more of an insult than a joke
@@eddiehauser6661 Not the woke. For them everything is an insult.
Elaine was always the supreme being.
Seinfeld was always the weakest part of Seinfeld. Crying about the audience is the biggest loser thing a stand up comedian can do, period. Buddy, take the hint, it's you.
And with all his fame, wealth, influence and resume yet it's not enough. Strange.
And the show itself was lightning in a bottle for its time, and it's extremely unlikely that anyone is going to have that more than once in their career. Of course everything is going to feel like a miss after that. Jerry is just salty that he hasn't been a part of a major win like that and is looking for something to blame that isn't him.
Larry David has had major success with Curb, but it's still not anything close to Seinfeld. He handles it with grace, and must understand that it would be unreasonable to expect to create two cultural phenomena. Jerry should just be happy that his pop tart films are getting made at all.
You say that as if your opinion matters
@@aliamjon2550 loses again.
@@aliamjon2550 Silly? The show was always Larry David's, as has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by Curb Your Enthusiasm. It doesn't matter that the show shared his name, Seinfeld's character was nowhere near as memorable as the rest of the cast, including the parents.
The only reason Jerry Seinfeld joined the "wokism killed comedy" bandwagon is because he knew his Pop-Tart movie was going to completely bomb. He's never done anything even close to as genuinely funny as Veep.
The time has come when no one can hide their inner prick anymore…. All that was hidden in darkness is coming to light.
From now on, when Jerry Seinfeld does an interview, someone should re-post the interview with a laugh track and the Seinfeld bassline after he makes a point even a serious one. That way he could never complain no one can laugh at what he says.
he doesn't get it, but this has literally been his career
There are videos on YT of Seinfeld clips without the laugh track and it's crazy what a difference it makes. Even for some of the biggest scenes, without the laugh track you watch it and are like, wow that actually wasn't that funny! And I was a fan of the show
I remember Seinfeld's unrestrained arrogance towards CNN host Larry King. There is so much ego in Seinfeld, everything else seem to have been pushed out, including humility and empathy.
He never had much of a personality. It's like being a comedian was a business calculation for him. Seems bitter to find out he's irrelevant.
@@Liam-zw1ek That's a good observation, Liam.
vthat is exactly the seinfeld you loved. that's him. he alwsys said the character was him and everyone loved it. get over yourself.
@@patriziacasagrande3833 You are in no position to know whom I loved. Your advice for someone to 'get over themselves' is simply tasteless. You understood nothing.
@@patriziacasagrande3833 comedy is inherently subjective, and no, not everybody "loved" him
Does anyone ever ask these goons, "What can't you say? What do you want to say, but can't? I'm not stopping you."
EXACTLY.
He is a creep.
You forget the part where Julia SHREDS Jerry's views!
God it is nice to see Jerry Seinfeld getting pushed back on for not really being funny.
He was never funny, but the rest of us thought that he was in on the "he's not funny" joke. Turns out he's just not funny!
The playing field is being leveled and now mediocre people are forced to compete with those they once purposely excluded.
When I was a kid we ate pop tarts every morning but this new woke generation only knows how to eat ass and tide pods. That's why my movie flopped
so true, bestie
Thanks for proving Seinfeld absolutely 100% correct.
In the 1960’s, Canadian media theorist Marshall McLuhan said ‘Jokes are grievances, look at the jokes and see the grievances.’ This tracks!
I think you got it right when you pointed out that complaining about political correctness is a cover. I used to watch Bill Maher on HBO until I got fed up with him attacking his audience for political correctness when they didn't laugh. I found I didn't laugh at the jokes either. They weren't funny, he wasn't funny. I suspect Seinfeld is doing the same thing, he needs an excuse for his comedic failure.
Yeah the whole thing that started it was a joke he told at college that didn't land. He didn't even get booed or anything. People just didn't laugh, and he _assumed_ it was because they didn't like that he used the word "gay" disparagingly and not that they just didn't find his joke funny
I've seen more than one stand up comic use the words "you're all just too politically correct" to cover up for an absence of yuks.
@@markwebsdale33 This has been Dave Chappelle's entire shtick, for years now. At least he used to be funny before he caught the rightoid brainworms.
In both cases; Bill and Dave cry they have a right to push hate, Dave has been on everyone else is pushing "the Gay Agenda" about other comedians so long, it's become his major shtick. Like Eminem in his latest song; these idiots just keep digging up the racist and or homophobic things they have said in the past, but no one is laughing anymore, especially after Jan 6th when those with a hate filled agenda attacked our capital building in a terrorist attempt to overthrow an election. We see the rights of Women, the LGBT Community, and other Minority Groups are being used for political gain, more overtly than ever. Yet, Bill, Dave and Jerry think they can move this country back into the past; when such behaviors were acceptable.
History shows us; nations that fail to progress stagnate, and soon fall behind other nations, as the quote states United we stand while devided we fall.
She may have gotten her start from Seinfeld, but she has become completely successful on her own. I don't see jerry at any level near JLD.
I've never seen her anywhere other than in Seinfeld.
She was on SNL from 1982-1985
@@danstigator For me she's Elaine and that's it.
@@Mr_user_1000 She won 6 Emmy’s on Veep, as well.
A good comedian never punches down. That's the point. You want to be a good funny man ? Then you punch up.
And you always make it a point to go freshen up your act. A lot of these comedians like to complain about things being "woke" just do it as a shield to hide the fact that they're not as funny as they think they are.
They want to use any excuse to be hateful or sophomoric.
Plain and simple.
So that's why Seinfeld hasn't done anything meaningful since his show ended. Meanwhile, Julia went on to do some pretty good stuff.
The foundation of Seinfeld’s comedy was based on making fun of people, being narcissistic and arrogant…in the last episodes they all ended up in jail!
Aggrievement based "comedy" that relies on kicking down on relatively powerless people, propping up oppressive systems of tradition, and generally whining about things changing will never be funny.
Exactly. Any good comedian knows you don't punch down, you punched up. And you always make it a point to improve your act and evolve
@@aliamjon2550 It's not like he has to do all those things to be unfunny, and for the record, I find him essentially targeting lgbtq, in a low key way, when he's talking about his tired jokes about gay kings. Like his jokes aren't funny, but he has to make it seem like some overreaction by/for the lgbtq community, with the mentality of "look how far we've fallen, can't even make lazy jokes about stereotypes of gay people being elitist and snooty anymore!?"
@@aliamjon2550 He punches down on Palestinians too, he's a literal crybully, crying while he launders abject horror.
@@ComradeCatpurrnicus This person is what we call a "Jerry Seinfeld meat rider". I have no idea why someone would simp so hard for a washed-up hack who was never funny to begin with, but here we are.
Yet 'South Park' manages to be brilliantly subversive meta-comedy in the same niche. Also, which parts of tradition constitutes oppressive systems vs healthy can be up for debate... 'Married with Children' and 'Futurama' riff on that brilliantly.
We know who were the funniest on the show..George and Elaine were definitely the number one reason I watched, then Kramer and Newton a close second...Jerry was an extra anyone could have played his role. 😂😂😂😂😂
Serenity now!
@@oswaldomayberry9260 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂☠️
Zionists are not funny in general
Kramer all the way for me. 😂
Saaaaame. Elaine and George were the best
One could make a very strong argument that Larry David is the reason Seinfeld was as funny and popular that it was, not Jerry himself
In fact, the argument makes itself at this point. Look at Larry David today and look at Jerry Seinfeld today. Case closed.
Great point!
Strong argument? Fact.
Norm MacDonald (RIP) who was right-wing himself, interviewed Seinfeld on his RUclips show and Norm mentioned homeless people and Seinfeld proceeded to say the most awful things about people in that position, Norm pushed back on him but for me it opened my eyes to Seinfeld's nasty view of the world.
People are always like, “Jerry dated a 17 year old when he was 38”.
His birthday is earlier in the year. So she was also 17 when he was 39.
Ok, that's funny.
That also means he dated an 18 year old when he was 40, Well played, Jerry
And what is the deal with my former colleagues still being successful? *sad electronic bass plucking*
😅😅
Bad comedians: Those not laughing at my material are woke.
Good comedians: You’re NOT funny - update your material boomer!
THE CUSTOMERS HATE MY PRODUCT. WE MUST CORRECT THE CUSTOMERS AND THEIR BAD OPINIONS
That's not what's happening, though. People still laugh, it's comedians who are forbidden to make those jokes.
The reason we even have the term "super cringy" is because as a society we've changed and grown (we woke up?) and we recognize some things are no longer funny. When I was a teen in the 80's people used to laugh at the worst black jokes. Everybody did. Now I see how horrible it was to my friends who were not white. Why I didn't see that at the time I don't know, but I do now. And there's nothing wrong with being aware of others feelings. We all know exactly what someone means when they say "you can't laugh at anything now". they don't like being called out for being insensitive, cruel idiots.
I will never understand why people want to live in the past so much-life is progressive until it isnt, but at that point you wont care
Lets not forget that 'Seinfeld' while market itself as a show about nothing, is not about nothing. Seinfeld is a show about 4 very mean, terrible people, to the point that they end up in jail. It's funny... but you don't want any of the characters as a friend.
Don't forget "Good Times...Barney Miller...Benson..What's Happening ...Maud and Soap"
I forgot about Soap. Someone told me about it, and I binge watched the whole series some years ago. It was one of the first shows where I could see that the actors didn't take themselves too seriously.
Mash and All in the Family were woke as hell.
It reminds me of a time when an ex said I was being petty and toxic said to me "you used to laugh at my jokes " and I responded,"you used to be funny."
Whether or not your comedic talent is successful is a you problem.
How fitting is it that Julia is asked a question about political correctness and the answer comes 11 days later because she needed a week and a half to think about it in order to answer it "correctly" HAHA
The guy who does "Brosciencelife" told Bradly Martin "if you complain about how you can't be funny with how society has changed...than you might just not be funny."
Just ask Kramer if that kinda attitude won't come back to bite you!
Don't forget Maude "the abortion" episode. Klinger in a dress, Edith breast cancer, Soap...
In what way was Seinfelds comedy considered controversial? He is the definition of vanilla comedy and he can't deal with the fact that the audience have outgrown his hack comedy 20 years ago.
My thoughts on the Seinfeld gripe about "political correctness" is killing comedy shows...I think that because of shifting attitudes towards racism, inequality, gender roles, and the general acceptance to LGBTQ+ people has all changed the media that we consume. Entertainment companies/studios do not want to put out racist or offensive content. And I will quote the great basketball player, Michael Jordan. When asked about why he doesn't get involved with politics, he answered, "Because Republicans buy sneakers, too."
And that is why a TV studio or a movie studio doesn't want to offend people, because they want to appeal to the largest audience possible, so they can make as much money as possible. That's why Marvel puts out movies with diverse casts, and we finally had a Black super hero with his own movie, we finally have a female-led superhero film. We finally had an Asian led comic book movie. Because being diverse is what sells.
I think it was Rupert Murdock that said, my idiology is not red or blue, but it's green. So, no, studios aren't pushing some sort of woke agenda. When Target decides to sell Pride flags and "gay underwear," they aren't being woke. They are just trying to make as much money as they possibly can. And if a gay Pride flag gets more gay people through the door, then gosh darn it, they're gonna sell some Pride flags!
All In the Family, MASH, and a few other 70's shows were the first shows on tv to show LGBTQ people and usually in a sympathetic way by the end of the episode. Sanford & Son also had a gay character or supposed gay character in at least one episode but was mostly used as fodder for Sanford to make fun of. Still a great show though, when Fred and Esther would mix it up they made a great duo.
Rob Reiner who played Michael "Meathead" Stivic who was a left leaning liberal to counteract Archie's right wing bigotry said in real life Carroll O'Connor was far more left than Reiner is. Archie also grew as the show went on and his racism and bigotry mellowed out.
Seriously, a lot of those classic sitcoms were "woke" as hell. That's part of why they hold up so well 50 years later: they were way ahead of the curve, not just in terms of comedy but also in terms of society.
Many a Conservative shook in their boots; when they discovered, the real Archie is nothing like the one they see on TV. The episode where the Trans Woman woman the Archies had befriended died horribly, was one of the best episodes, as it treated the character as a real person, and the loss that Edith and Archie showed, was extremely palpable. I think the momentary pause before they began talking to one another was very real.
Who was the gay character in Sanford and son?
@@LP-ct9nk I don't know if they specifically said he was gay but there was an episode where Fred and Lamonte had to get some kind of heavy furniture piece from a rather flamboyant rich guy and Fred and Lamonte made fun of him behind his back. By flamboyant I mean over the top flamboyant like Liberace or Richard Simmons (and seriously why doesn't he come out of the closet he never fooled anyone). Even Wills best friend from WIll and Grace (I never watched the show very often so I don't know his characters name) was less flamboyant.