It’s funny Wenger warned everyone this would happen in the early 2000s & was laughed at,told to get on with it. They can never make me hate him,absolute legend!
Arsene is an expert at economics, he knew exactly why they came in and what was going to happen. The UAE will run out of oil so they are funneling their money into sports to prepare for the potential loss from the eventual oil drainage.
If City's owners don't like the rules they should sell the club to soneone who will respect them. For an innocent club they're acting as if they're guilty. If City lose, next week, the EPL will throw the book at them in November and they can expect relegation or being barred from European Competitions for 3-5 seasons. Their behaviour is shameful.
If they weren’t guilty then they wouldn’t be going down this path because the prems investigation would find them innocent. They’ll be found guilty and I think their title should be stripped and given to Arsenal and they should be relegated down to Sunday league
Stan Kronkes wife is a part of the Walton family,who own Walmart.Would it be ok for arsenal to rename there stadium the “Walmart stadium” and funnel money through that source? Ofc it wouldn’t,it wouldn’t be a level playing field it’s a cyclical payment stream between two companies owned or partially owned by the same person. It’s got nothing to do with race or ethnicity,the same logic applies to American ownership. Great video Harry
@@Firefnaff It’s still a strange time. It’s been 4 years since the rules were VOTED in using DEMOCRACY… A pretty unfamilliar term in the contry that own City… And it’s pretty evident that a club of Citys scale should have acted IMMEDIATELY after the new rules were put into place.
An authoritarian, theocratic dictatorship doesn't like rules being voted on and agreed in a democratic way. What a shock, Kashoggi would also be surprised if he wasn't cut into pieces and stuffed into a suitcase
But there is a caveat, these laws haven’t stopped them from being more successful in growth or silverware. They have grown 1100% over the last decade. There are several rules that City have voted for that other clubs deem unfair or unlawful. You sign up to compete every year knowing the rules. If it was deemed unlawful when it passed why sign up, go on to win a treble, another EPL title, but choose now to file a suit. The rule has been there now for almost 4 years!
@@wawitter11 You clearly don’t understand the issue here, the Premier League changed these rules in February which then became illegal under competition laws and that’s why the Champions have taken action.
February city started this process against the prem for apt. APT came in 2021 Citys 115 charges ended 2018 this does not affect city charges in any way shape or form no matter who wins the APT. Citys name has been in the mud since eufa charged them and all they was found guilty of was not cooperating with uefa. but we was labeled cheats by every fan base and when city was charged with 115 every rival saying city are GUILTY. remember when city got took over oil money blah blah blah but most united fans stopped that when jassim was trying to take over their club. Liverpool hacked into citys computers and the scouting database dont hear them being called cheats even though they paid 1 million in damages to city. for the 115 City said they were "surprised" by the charges and are supported by a "body of irrefutable evidence". They have the rulings from CAS to back them up yes the premier league charges are much more worse but the worse charges are the same charges EUFA charged city with and they could not add any evidence. IMO city will be found guilty of not cooperating with the prem. they will get either or both a big fine, docked points for maybe season 24/25 or 25/26 IMO
Mark my words, Man City are trying to undermine the PL because they know if they win this case it opens up the serious discussion for a European super league and I wouldn’t be surprised if a select few of PL and certain European clubs hope they win the case !!!! I personally think if city’s owners lose this case and get found guilty for the FFP and PSR charges they should be forced to part ways from the club or the club whilst in their Stewardship be barred from competing in English or European Football !!!!
"We're wrong based upon the agreed expectations of behaviour. But you and those expectations are even more wrong for pointing out we are wrong." Man City sounds like most of my exes.
Harry this is even bigger & wide ranging. The EPL has to come down hard on Man City because of the threat of the looming Football Regulator coming in if they don’t . Also there is an effect on the EPL brand as this drags on as another reason why this situation is thermonuclear now, going beyond sport. This could be a General Election matter although Starmer will not want to get dragged into this because of the geopolitical elements to it I.e. UK relations with UAE etc
This is like a misbehaving student who knows he/she has done the wrong things but trying to find a way to say the teacher is not following the rules and other kids are picking on the misbehaving child
In any competition you follow the rules the organizers set. If you can’t comply don’t take part. Simple. City should leave the competition if they don’t like the rules.
The integrity of the premiership is compromised because of the 115 charges against man city, This has gone on to long other teams had points deduction ,the fact that the uk government has admitted that its embassy in Abu Dhabi have discussed the 115 charges but are refusing to disclose the correspondence because it could risk the U.K. relationship with UAE, this asks the question is the British government taking an economic bribe investment into the British economy by the UAE,?maybe not time will tell.if so would you vote for a government like that? How you do anything is how you do everything
As most of these 115 alleged charges were committed when Arteta was at Man City, it'll be interesting to see if he's called upon to give evidence for the defence or the prosecution...
I think your opinion of Man City’s point of view on this with the forthcoming charges is spot on Harry. Exactly what I was thinking. It’s pretty classless of them tbf and a real show of damage limitation
There is no correlation between the two cases. One is fraudulent deception and false accounting, the other is a challenge on the legality of the latest related parties rules - note: not the rules introduced prior to February ‘24.
With the greatest of respect Harry, I see a completely different picture to the one that you are painting. My understanding is City (amongst other issues), are taking the PL to Arbitration, to decide whether the APT rules are legal. They were introduced Dec 2021 and have no bearing of the 115 charges levied against City as that was between 2009-2018. They are completely different and should/will in my mind be kept separate. Going back to the arbitration, either the rules are legal or they are not. If they are not legal, shouldn't we be happy that City have challenged? If we are unhappy, are we saying we want the PL to run illegally because it suits our narrative? If so, we are going down a very dangerous path. I feel we are no better than those that we seek to bring to justice. Have some faith Harry, worse case scenario, the PL will have to re-write/amend the APT rules
I understand where you’re coming from but I find it very hard to believe City would be pushing ahead with this and viewing it as a totally separate issue. I think they’re unhappy with the new rules, yes, but the impact it could have on their existing case gives them greater incentive to pursue it.
Lol, no wonder the TA kicked you out Rambo and you now spend all your days sat online talking nonsense.. Even Canton your best 'online buddy' pulled you up on it
It’s funny Wenger warned everyone this would happen in the early 2000s & was laughed at,told to get on with it.
They can never make me hate him,absolute legend!
Arséne was and is a Legend for foreseeing this incident coming. ❤️🤍
Spot on
Arsene is an expert at economics, he knew exactly why they came in and what was going to happen. The UAE will run out of oil so they are funneling their money into sports to prepare for the potential loss from the eventual oil drainage.
If City's owners don't like the rules they should sell the club to soneone who will respect them. For an innocent club they're acting as if they're guilty. If City lose, next week, the EPL will throw the book at them in November and they can expect relegation or being barred from European Competitions for 3-5 seasons. Their behaviour is shameful.
Shameful? What like George Graham?
Or perhaps Arsenal and the magic pills?
If they weren’t guilty then they wouldn’t be going down this path because the prems investigation would find them innocent. They’ll be found guilty and I think their title should be stripped and given to Arsenal and they should be relegated down to Sunday league
Don’t be silly
Stan Kronkes wife is a part of the Walton family,who own Walmart.Would it be ok for arsenal to rename there stadium the “Walmart stadium” and funnel money through that source? Ofc it wouldn’t,it wouldn’t be a level playing field it’s a cyclical payment stream between two companies owned or partially owned by the same person.
It’s got nothing to do with race or ethnicity,the same logic applies to American ownership.
Great video Harry
Why wasn’t all these rules and regulations necessary when Arsenal were boasting that they were the Bank of England club?
@@robertmclellan3658 that was a tag given by rivals not arsenal.
Looks like city , fighting back with a stop bullying us attitude..interesting times ahead..
The big question is: Why NOW? Why didn’t Manchester City sue the PL back when the new rules were put into frution?
Obviously they needed time to come up with a plan to Rock the FA bud?
@@Firefnaff It’s still a strange time. It’s been 4 years since the rules were VOTED in using DEMOCRACY… A pretty unfamilliar term in the contry that own City… And it’s pretty evident that a club of Citys scale should have acted IMMEDIATELY after the new rules were put into place.
It’s actually come out that they initially agreed with the rules,when they were first proposed,so why the change of mind !
@@TBG968 Coz they know they’re cheating bastards and will suffer the consequences..
Because their backs are to the wall and they know punishment is imminent.
An authoritarian, theocratic dictatorship doesn't like rules being voted on and agreed in a democratic way. What a shock, Kashoggi would also be surprised if he wasn't cut into pieces and stuffed into a suitcase
Indeed.
Spot on well said , the thing is all 20 clubs voted on these rules man city have no chance in court on this one
Are we ignoring the law bro.
It’s clearly against English law
But there is a caveat, these laws haven’t stopped them from being more successful in growth or silverware. They have grown 1100% over the last decade. There are several rules that City have voted for that other clubs deem unfair or unlawful. You sign up to compete every year knowing the rules. If it was deemed unlawful when it passed why sign up, go on to win a treble, another EPL title, but choose now to file a suit. The rule has been there now for almost 4 years!
@@wawitter11 You clearly don’t understand the issue here, the Premier League changed these rules in February which then became illegal under competition laws and that’s why the Champions have taken action.
Q . do you think they could do more damge to the premier league and other clubs
Very well explained Harry, thankyou 😃
I blame the premier league for taking too long to punish the oil money bags 😮
What you mean Emirates?
February city started this process against the prem for apt. APT came in 2021 Citys 115 charges ended 2018 this does not affect city charges in any way shape or form no matter who wins the APT. Citys name has been in the mud since eufa charged them and all they was found guilty of was not cooperating with uefa. but we was labeled cheats by every fan base and when city was charged with 115 every rival saying city are GUILTY. remember when city got took over oil money blah blah blah but most united fans stopped that when jassim was trying to take over their club. Liverpool hacked into citys computers and the scouting database dont hear them being called cheats even though they paid 1 million in damages to city. for the 115 City said they were "surprised" by the charges and are supported by a "body of irrefutable evidence". They have the rulings from CAS to back them up yes the premier league charges are much more worse but the worse charges are the same charges EUFA charged city with and they could not add any evidence. IMO city will be found guilty of not cooperating with the prem. they will get either or both a big fine, docked points for maybe season 24/25 or 25/26 IMO
Mark my words, Man City are trying to undermine the PL because they know if they win this case it opens up the serious discussion for a European super league and I wouldn’t be surprised if a select few of PL and certain European clubs hope they win the case !!!! I personally think if city’s owners lose this case and get found guilty for the FFP and PSR charges they should be forced to part ways from the club or the club whilst in their Stewardship be barred from competing in English or European Football !!!!
"We're wrong based upon the agreed expectations of behaviour. But you and those expectations are even more wrong for pointing out we are wrong."
Man City sounds like most of my exes.
Harry this is even bigger & wide ranging. The EPL has to come down hard on Man City because of the threat of the looming Football Regulator coming in if they don’t . Also there is an effect on the EPL brand as this drags on as another reason why this situation is thermonuclear now, going beyond sport. This could be a General Election matter although Starmer will not want to get dragged into this because of the geopolitical elements to it I.e. UK relations with UAE etc
I wonder about the future of Pep and players the club is not proven guilty but what if they were. This is purely speculation.
REALLY well said, Harry! tough topic to summarize and vocalize, but you made great points
This is like a misbehaving student who knows he/she has done the wrong things but trying to find a way to say the teacher is not following the rules and other kids are picking on the misbehaving child
Arsenal with 2 other clubs forced PL to take action which they had no proof this is why it taken so long with the Pl trying to find evidence
Good 2am morning from Australia 🇦🇺
Hi Harry ,
I always watch shorter videos, it might be interesting to compare viewing figures between shorter and hour long videos .
AW warned about sugar daddies early 2000
Thanks you brother..I was waiting for you to do this🙏🙏
Is man city the Israel of the premiership
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this is going to change everything
In any competition you follow the rules the organizers set. If you can’t comply don’t take part. Simple. City should leave the competition if they don’t like the rules.
“ rules “ you mean rules demanded by the red cartel to stifle competition and investment?
The integrity of the premiership is compromised because of the 115 charges against man city, This has gone on to long other teams had points deduction ,the fact that the uk government has admitted that its embassy in Abu Dhabi have discussed the 115 charges but are refusing to disclose the correspondence because it could risk the U.K. relationship with UAE, this asks the question is the British government taking an economic bribe investment into the British economy by the UAE,?maybe not time will tell.if so would you vote for a government like that? How you do anything is how you do everything
Clearly the Premier League has no evidence.
They are unlawful it's as simple as that. How can you defend the premer league for law breaking.
Why are they unlawful?
As most of these 115 alleged charges were committed when Arteta was at Man City, it'll be interesting to see if he's called upon to give evidence for the defence or the prosecution...
Allegations all previously thrown out by a proper court of law.
Manchester Trumpy
I think your opinion of Man City’s point of view on this with the forthcoming charges is spot on Harry. Exactly what I was thinking. It’s pretty classless of them tbf and a real show of damage limitation
Get rid of them, vote them out and annul all their titles.
Stick to Aussie Rules...
There is no correlation between the two cases. One is fraudulent deception and false accounting, the other is a challenge on the legality of the latest related parties rules - note: not the rules introduced prior to February ‘24.
Exactly 💯
Very bias point of view. If the rules that was brought in shouldn't have been there anyway.
Am with Mancity and I am a Gooner!!!
Arsenal fan 😂 yea ok 🤡
Could have worn a barristers wig for this, just saying 😂
Shut up you’ve still won nothing no European cup still a small club even forest won it twice
Spot on
With the greatest of respect Harry, I see a completely different picture to the one that you are painting.
My understanding is City (amongst other issues), are taking the PL to Arbitration, to decide whether the APT rules are legal. They were introduced Dec 2021 and have no bearing of the 115 charges levied against City as that was between 2009-2018.
They are completely different and should/will in my mind be kept separate.
Going back to the arbitration, either the rules are legal or they are not. If they are not legal, shouldn't we be happy that City have challenged? If we are unhappy, are we saying we want the PL to run illegally because it suits our narrative?
If so, we are going down a very dangerous path. I feel we are no better than those that we seek to bring to justice.
Have some faith Harry, worse case scenario, the PL will have to re-write/amend the APT rules
I understand where you’re coming from but I find it very hard to believe City would be pushing ahead with this and viewing it as a totally separate issue. I think they’re unhappy with the new rules, yes, but the impact it could have on their existing case gives them greater incentive to pursue it.
Lol, no wonder the TA kicked you out Rambo and you now spend all your days sat online talking nonsense..
Even Canton your best 'online buddy' pulled you up on it
@@GrantFerris-ly6cj the TA?
@@arsenalpodcast Territorial Army. We served 4 tours together
@arsenalpodcast It's none other than Des Lynham, your troll coming out with utter nonsense and lies as per normal