Gab & Juls: FULL SHOW! Man City SUING the Premier League! Mbappe DEAL DONE! and MORE | ESPN FC
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- On this week's episode of the Gab and Juls show, the guys discuss and explain everything behind Manchester City taking legal action against the Premier League, the salary break down of Kylian Mbappe's move to Real Madrid and much more.
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It comes across as City admitting they are guilty re the 115 charges but if they take the Premier League to court and win, then the 115 charges become irrelevant - Bully Boy Tactics at play!!
this would be the Death of the League
Innocent until proven guilty
@@benedictchinweuba5820 They literary just admit their guiltiness by sue the Premier League
@kleec495 how can you prove guilt? Lol the hate is real!!
@@richardgraham3653 If you understand the context then you would understand. No further explanation needed.
They should relegate Man City just for the audacity alone.
M0ron. That is why you're a slow human being. Very slow bre!
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city believes they are above the law they should be relegate like the Italian FA did to Juventus in 2006. the English FA and Premier League don't have the courage to do this.
Nah its the premer league that thinks it's above the law
You obviously don't know what you are saying. You don't go to court if you think you are above the law. The court is the law... M0ron..
@@ymo6096 You obviously don't know what you are saying. You don't go to court if to change the rule you have broken if you dont think you have broken the rule in the first place. its an admission of guilt in an attempt to dodge whats coming to them.
this is a transparent counter suit m0ron.
everton one charge = 8 points.
whats 115 x 8?
@@NeilLewis77 The rule there claiming unlawful came about in 2021 the 115 charges dates up to 2018 the two are unrelated and this case will have zero effect on the other.
@ymo6096 Court is exactly where you go when you think you are above the law
Gab's whole argument about Etihad not having enough money for a Man City sponsorship falls flat when Etihad can easily get infinite amounts of cash infusions from the Abu Dhabi Emirate - They're all owned by the same party, and that's why these deals are getting scrutinised, anyone sitting on the periphery of it can see this. Etihad is just one of many vessels for the owners to fund the club, while appearing 'transparent' on the surface.
This tells us how slow you are. Do you have an evidence?
Etihad has no relation to Dubai and neither does City. Don't be a racist.
@@russellward4624 I've got the Abu Dhabi emirate mixed up with the Dubai emirate when I first made that comment but, that's still irrelevant (as to which emirate this pertains to). Etihad/Etisalat etc. are owned by ADQ, which is chaired by Tahnoun Al Nahyan - A member of the ruling family of the Abu Dhabi emirate, and.. brother of Mansour Al Nahyan who is the majority shareholder in the holding company that owns City. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that these are related parties? It's got nothing to do with racism, just highlighting that there's a clear family link between Etihad (along with other Abu Dhabi conglomerates) and Man City. As such there is plenty of opportunity for inflated sponsorship deals, to be used as a "by the books" method by an owner wanting to funnel money into their club.
@@ymo6096 Just do a little bit research into who owns ADQ (Parent company of Etihad) and who owns Man City, it shouldn't take too long figure out. Or just read my response to another poster on this very same topic.
@@DilankaJayaweera-f9p But that doesn't necessarily mean wrong doing though. I understand what you are saying but they need to be proven guilty of some broken rules.
The fact that city are trying to sue the prem shows that they are probably guilty because if they didnt do the 115 breaches they would not be getting do defensive
Then you're not very bright.
I find it funny how Gab always refers to data analysis people as nerds every time, on every single podcast episode he says it at least once. Dude you are a journalist, you ARE a nerd yourself.
Kick them out of the league. Simple.
Yea, it is not that simple. You are delusional
Kick out the team that plays the best football with the best manager? And let other clubs win not due to playing better but due to the better team no longer being there? To let RM strut around on the premier league like a boastful rooster? 🤨
@@drep9028 These people think PL can survive without City. They don't understand that neutrals watch this league majorly because of City. Everyone, may not support City, but definitely likes to watch them play. You take out City and then you see 95% of the titles gone to Liverpool, Arsenal or United. And these people will call it competitive. 🤣
@@deepakpandey8240 ikr...it literally makes no sense that people want the best performing team/representative of the league gone. Why have so many gone soft and cowardly. Nobody wants to aim for better...just want easy street
@@deepakpandey8240 Thierry Henry -" everyone knows that I am Arsenal but if you don't like this ManCity team, something is wrong in your brain"
Why dont nufc sue the Premier league? Because they respect it - for now. If man city win their case it means Newcastle will just pump a billion into the club overnight.
Gab defending the business model is crazy for me
The other question would be: Do you really think that City without "cheating" Would have won all those trophies over the years?
We don't know and they putting their own money doesn't necessarily mean cheating if they can argue it. I am sure you have 0 idea if asked to come and explain cheating in this context
One thing for sure, it definitely helped.
Describe cheating. That isn’t a debate if you’re already going to call it cheating
@@ozgecko4050 Spending way more money than you earn, is cheating by todays rule. Or did i get something worng with the uefa financial fairplay? Clubs like City, PSG, Real or Barca, are cheating for years now. Barca now is practically bankrupt, but still somehow playing in the primera. Real has a dept so large that i will never understand how the still can spend millions for a player like Mbappe.
On the other side, you have the Bundesliga. Where clubs have no debt at all, but, as Bayern, millions in the bank. Sure, Leipzig, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim and Leverkusen have or had help from big companies. But in comparison with the rest of the UEFA, this are peanuts..
@@ymo6096 Citeh are crooks plain and simple. They would've been in and out of the league hadn't it been for those crooks
How come this never was spoken about when REAL MADRID, JUVENTUS & BAYERN MUNICH were & still are winning trophies??
Because 115 reasons. Go cry 115 tears. Because only plastic 115 fans would. Then again plastic will just do glory hunting club.
6:28 “God, I hate lawyers.” What a lazy ignorant take by you. Lawyers don’t bring these cases, their clients do. So hate on the Man City board, directors and owners and leave their lawyers out of it.
Gab does not understand. Abu Dhabi is not a business. It is a state. The defence ministry is not a business. The foreign ministry is not a business. It does not have to balance the books. It is all expense.
So a state can't have financial/economic issues? 🤨 Ask tbt the American owners who suddenly have an interest in "soccer" why they taking so much profit from their clubs?
Lol so governments don’t keep track of finances? Money just appears from thin air 😭
SMH. Some respondents actually do not understand how a business works. A business is a for-profit entity that engages in legal commerce and by that commerce must cover expenses and make a profit to survive. The United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia or the US or the UK are states, not businesses. They have their own police, military, intelligence, and---this is important---a broad range of financial instruments with which to raise money (by taxation, for example, or by selling reserves or by selling government bonds or by issuing currency). A state governed by an autocrat can do many, many more things, like buy sporting clubs or whole leagues and cover the expense with a subset of the budget for defence or foreign policy. Autocrats can also order state-owned airlines to give huge amounts of money under the guise of sponsorships, which the state-owned airlines do not have to worry about because the cost of the wildly inflated sponsorship deal will be covered by the state budget. A government can also run (and, indeed has to have) long-term debt and year after year of budget deficits, which it can cover by raising taxes or loaning itself more money by issuing government debt. A government can also change the law or create new laws. Telling the difference between a business and a government really isn't that difficult.
I agree its outrageous and City are being petty, vindictive and showing their true colours that comes from a country literally owning a club, is it so surprising!!
Every industry has to have regulations. All that aside, there is a real issue when clubs especially those smaller clubs have to sell their best players. The other issue that no one wants to talk about is the out of control salaries, agents fees, transfer costs. If there needs to be regulations to help level the playing field then in my opinion its the outrageous costs that need to be looked at.
You are right each industry has it's own regulations but none of those regulations can go against the country's rules, and the issue is that the premier league's new financial rules are against the UK competition laws.
Now the issue is if that's the case, then does it mean that the Premier league can make laws above that of the country?
City aren't arguing there should be no regulations. Just this new rule is illegal. This whole story is a nothing burger. The rules would just revert to what it was in September.
@@edsonmawalla4203UK Prem Law or your Sharia Football Law? You can bring your law arguments to Camel League.
@@shuraamano the UK fair competion law or is the premier league law above the laws of UK now?
Love the full episodes, also proud to see Jules be the mature one when it came to the matter of faith and God. Oh no no no Gab, but hey to each is own 🥴👍
Love getting full episodes. I enjoy seeing it like this, hopefully this will be more regular.
The FFP rules were always going to be manipulated… not quite a ‘free market economy’
Interesting thumbnail choice guys.
Stop putting 2 and 2 together. None of us know enough about the case. Leaks, leaks and more leaks and everyone is biting.
@CR-91637 People are concluding 22
Let’s gooo a full Gab & Jules show !! Love these & want more
Abu Dhabi are in football for reasons having nothing to do with sport or competition. It is statecraft for them, and statecraft is all about dominance BY ANY MEANS. They know that Man City fans will defend them no matter what. That is how sportswashing works.
There was something off with the sound, I kept hearing strange noises
Utd who are not in the champions league are getting 40 million more per year for the kit deal, how just that one work????
Cause we’re united….
The government has to accept the lawsuit. We shouldn’t. This is DISGUSTING
Very well explained, Gab. I'm curious to know if proper checks have been done on the advertising money given to City by Etihad; actually seen physically, or if it is simply on account books. How well are team's account books checked and regulated?
Funny how Pep was citing all the other clubs who spent more than city but not mentioning how City was built for 10 years with gulf money. For the sake of football, fair play rule should exist, or else it will all be handed to the wealthy teams, of course mainly owned by oil countries. Hence NewCastle also
Gab is always spitting facts
Isn't it also safeguard Citeh as a club if Mansour leaves. If Ineos, Glazers, Boehly, Fenway leaves those big clubs they can still manage on their own. City on the otherhand will cease to exist
We are talking about the club who bought a 90m LB land are complaining about the rules not making them competitive. They should focus on brand awareness and generate more revenue.
please adjourn any case until the 115 charges have been resolved that would be the only fair way to proceed
If they were playing by different rules than the rest of the league for 10 years, it's still extremely bad even in the case the rules change tomorrow.
I have that same Penn and Teller shirt!!! Love those guys.
GREAT BREAKDOWN GAB 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
No matter what happens with man City, the Premier league will lose a huge amount of integrity and credibility
They dont have to spend billions, just more than the teams behind them. Gabs is forgetting how transfer fees and wages have been rising so steeply. I mean look at mbappe wages at psg.
What happened to Juve? And did not Everton get some punishment also? They probably forgave Everton to make space for City. If they get relegated a host of players are leaving. They will be back though. Probably why they wanted to make a super league to avoid these things.
Don’t forget the fact that these people also own Girona in Spain who they’ll just pivot to in the event City actually gets held liable for their CRIMES
I think we're guilty, I just don't think it's for all 115 charges. The media and possible judgements to be handed down gets everyone for some reason. I stand with my team as as a supporter in our villain era, but I'm a football fan too..Come what may come
City agreed to the rules they signed up for and are now making problems because they have been caught cheating those same rules. Chuck them out of the league and any club that supports them. This could end the integrity of the game all over the world. Why are city not Taking UEFA to court over their FFP rules?
But city have lost 6/7 champions leagues... :)
TIME FOR SOME QUICK HITS
Gallagher is perfect for the number 8/10 role under Ange. He’s a better presser than Sarr who could settle into backing up the 6 role or being cover for Gallagher.
Nice marijuana analogy Mr Marcotti👌.
Nothing is complicated....it just the fact that we have already been programmed to hate anything that comes from certain regions..if rules are being made to target only clubs from a particular region and such decriminalization is against UK law....Man City should be celebrated by the media for taking legal action.... but City have already been portrayed as villains so no matter what they will be chastised by the media.
115 FC should move themselves to Camel League if they want to change the rule. It's UK football not Sharia Football Law.
👇👇👇 City Case in nutshell 👇👇👇
😡 Stop discriminating against corrupt rich people & royal mafias 😡
The problem is they have endless oil money. They should spend this money on the people of their country and improving living conditions and pay of their migrant workers. Football is so out of touch. Not even worth watching these oil fiefdoms and billionaire conglomorates fight over trophies. Football is a business now and has lost its heart.
I think this lawsuit is related to Pep leaving next year, they know this winning streak will be unsustainable when Pep leave and they would need pour a lot of money to continue like this
Or Pep told them he won’t be staying if they are found guilty so they are throwing the kitchen sink
It's funny how you guys have been saying Pep is leaving because of ffp for 5 years now. Lol City filed the case in February. Its just recently arsneal leaked the story. They said to the PL if they inacted newer related party restrictions they'd file suite. This isn't new.
@@russellward4624Pep already planning his retirement. After 115 reasons, he will fell off.
@@shuraamano fell off what? He won the league 4 years in a row. Lol
🚨Someone paid somthing to Gab in AbuDahbi 😒
Balance the mics plz! Sometimes you can barely hear Gab and then he shouts and then it's blasting!
City will win this. It’s the fans that need to stop city, just like how they did European Super League.
Red cartel fans moaning comments 😂.cry more
ok this started in Febuary not march so fire your researcher from the mail sport 11 feb Manchester City, Newcastle, Chelsea, Everton, Nottingham Forest and Sheffield United are understood to have voted against the Premier League at a tense shareholders’ meeting on Friday, with Crystal Palace and Burnley believed to have abstained.
The motion to tighten APT rules was passed by the narrowest margin possible with two-third of the 18 votes cast in favour, but the row may rumble on as City are threatening to take legal action against the Premier League on the grounds that the restrictions breach competition law. read uk competition law this is in uk LAW not prem rules where UK Law trumps prem rules.
Ok Sharia Law. Put it on your Camel League.
Manchester Cheaty so much to answer for .... stalling the inevitable.... 1 more season and pep goes coz pep knows !!
Its frustrating how dishonest they are or they havent actualy read the case. They arent suing to get rid of FFP or PSR. Just the way related party deals are handled. It has no effect on the 115.
Don't understand the concept of fair value..? Middle east they overpay for everything.. When Saudi league came and overpaid for aging players then all those clubs would be charged for the same..?
Look at it like this: If every club can overvalued things without rational and unbiased reasons, the sport would become accessible to only the richests. Market value would be inflated as the effect, so the clubs would have to pay much more than a player's worth. Unless it's what you want from football, it's certainly not a healthy competition for the most popular sport in the planet.
Its only if it's a related party does fair market value come into play.
So much hate for Man City (aka success), grow up kids!
Not mad at success mad at 115 charges Everton and forrest both deducted points for far far less they deserve the book thrown at them
Ok 115 plastic fan. Give your 115 tears next when it's on national league.
I feel sorry for both of you, you both dont know what are these 115 charges anyway haha.
But its normal, success attracts haters always
@@Fobol yes I do its all in black and white they broke a number of premier league rules hid payments to managers and players and wouldnt cooperate with the investigation which is a first why would they not cooperate?? Because they know they broke the rules thought they were smarter then everyone because they are richer we'll see can they buy there way oit of this one I highly doubt it
@@Fobol where am I wrong il wait.....................
If city wasnt winning this wouldnt be a thing🤣
Duh
Yea forest and Everton only got punished cause of them winning too 🙄
City dont like the rules get out of the league.. simple 👍🏻
So the PL should be allowed to enact rules that break the law?
@@russellward4624You mean Sharia Football Law? Camel League exists for that. Go watch that one.
@@shuraamano a racist. what a stunner.
They did already cheat and get away with it with uefa
Utd, Liverpool and arsenal don't want Newcastle villa Chelsea and city competing for the champions league places
Apart from Villa and Newcastle; City and Chelsea have been in this mix for a while now. Yes clubs will look out for themselves but this is not solely an agenda by some clubs against city. As most competent pundits have said ; this looks like a deflection from city to try get one up with charges they facing as they likely to be punished. Whilst football is big business its still a sport and there are rules to sign up too. Even in business you have competition commissions etc.
STF!
They “earned it” is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.
I am a big fan of the show mostly because of the strong opinions of the hosts. But seriously I have never been so disappointed in Gab and Jules. Jules, seriously, for someone who has such strong opinions on Dutch managers, your pathetic response to the MC lawsuit was very disappointing. 'A touch of hypocrisy, Im not to comfortable with'. That's the strongest opinion you can come with? And as for Gab (my former favorite soccer pundit), for someone who says he despises lawyers, you sounded exactly like a lawyer for Mancity. i wonder how much they're paying you for this proactive defence of their lawsuit. Of course Dutch bald managers have no power over you, but Man City and its associate or related companies very likely do, so as we see opinions can be bought. i had to stop listening to this podcast because I could not get past your pathetic response.
Felt the same, myself. Almost apologetic towards City, seriously disappointing.
Fair market value is a well established business rule. It's nothing alien.
Theres a new rule that was imposed in February that forces the business to prove that its fair market instead of the club. This is bizarre.
The problem is who is deciding fair market value
@@ianspencer9142 Comparable studies can be easily done. It’s common practice.
So why "fair market value" for sponsorship but not fair market value for player transfer fees? 🤨
What is alien is the usage of it, makes zero sense, not all sponsorships are the same thing
Six out of seven may have something to do with good management like Pep and incompetent teams like United who blew their chance to sign Haaland. Having said, the ridiculous disparity in Top 6 Prem wages with respect to the bottom feeders makes the league a joke. Maybe these big teams should be given handicaps like horse racing and forced to wear weight belts to make it competitive. That may sound ridiculous but so is keeping the status quo.
Desperate, shameful, and disgusting what City are doing with their pathetic red herring tactics
So you're a lawyer that's familier with the case to detrmine that?
I genuinely don’t get people backing the big clubs being able to spend more than non big clubs. It’s literally so strange that people are good with this.
You almost want Liverpool etc to always be untouchable. This is why you want city to drop, and then you argue city has no history yet you want to keep them down? Do you realise how much idiocy that is ?
Are the English Premier league assessments of fair market value assessed the same way as other leagues? Mbappe was making some crazy 200 million per year at PSG and now is going to RM for like 20 million. Was his fair market value transfer to RM assessed at all? Didn’t Levomdowaki transfer to Barcelona and agree to a much lower pay than he got at Bayern? I did hear that Jao Felix agreed to a lower salary at Barcelona but La Liga assessed his value at Athelti to be higher and this adjusted his fair market value as a higher hit on Barcelona’s salary cap.
Why does noone ever bring up the fact that the monopoly of the legacy clubs.
Leicester City won the league but couldn't compete financially with United ever.
United have 800m in debt yet Newcastle can't ever catch up in financials
What’s confusing these guys is the distinction between the law and some rules between clubs that may or may not be enforceable.
It was never complicated before in the 60's to 2005. Problem is things have changed. The government needs to step in and regulate. Simple. You cannot have club owners who are oil barons spending billions or American businessmen or even English businessmen, at the end of the day it's football. There needs to be caps and not only a premier league and UK government review but a meeting of football bodies from all the major football leagues in europe. I exclude other leagues because they have nefarious purposes financially, and this is no more clear than in this case that has been brought to bear.
These 2 are just stooges for the mega rich. Clearly it will destroy competitive football, make it unsustainable. Dumb and Dumber.
These rich rulers and nation states are used to ruling not being confined by laws and rules… their view is that laws and rules are for others to follow while they rule. They should comply with the rules full stop or get out of sports. They think they can pay their way to buy the league and make it work for them which isn’t good for the game, it’s not good for supporters, or for sustainability of the clubs themselves.
Balance the mics plz! Sometimes you can barely hear Gab and then he shouts and then it's blasting! This is amateurish..
Audio Engineer here, 100% agree.
Some of em charges have been taken on from Uefa... so they will need to take them to court too.
20:08 Jesus christ all you people just want City to suffer
12:04 Julz I Listened from your own mouth that none of the charges were in the pep era. If what you said is true. How can the punish players who have nothing to do with it? The only thing that will happen if they lose is a massive fine like 1 billion. But non of Pep’s signings were world class. Haaland was cheap, KDB transfer was laughed at as a foolish mistake. Ruben Diaz was not the player he is now when we signed him. And a few others that were not expensive. Pep is just a great coach. And the PL cannot punish the City players or Pep. I will bet my house they don’t get relegated
I don’t think your points about the players is relevant in this case. The decision they make about City has nothing to do with the players whether they are pre-pep or not. The club is responsible for following the financial rules, so the club will be punished if they are found guilty - the players are innocent bystanders. It may not be fair to them, but that is not relevant in this case. They’ll just be punished indrectly. I don’t think anything will happen to City either, though. At worse, a big fine, which does not matter to them.
Kick them out of the league while the case is going on
Break the rules then say the rules are unfair
UEFA have the third party rule, the PL have reworked their own version of that law now called associated party, Makes it extremely easy for say Etihad to sponsor United or England for example yet extremely difficult and drawn out for them to sponsor City.
Etihad should just spend extra money on buying more planes and converting them all into first class seats throughout, and charge economy prices and win over the world that way rather than spunking all that money into City.
Come on Gab, sure Jesus heals people in youtube chats, so im sure God is setting goal targets for footballers.
Im curious to see how much City actually paid for Haaland. There is no way that a club that everyone knows has endless amounts of money got the hottest striker in the world (with virtually no competition from other clubs) for the amount that was reported…
Don’t forget his dad played there back in the day. That had to be part of the draw, along with Pep, and Citu’s winning performances.
Did gab just realate FFP with cannabis laws? 😮
You're so thick
Terrible commentary
If you are not a lawyer why dont you get qualified one on the show instead of just speculating