Honestly, I'd swap Gallagher and Loucha. Gallagher doing 100k per basic in break teams, being so insanely SP positive and still an amazing healer makes him so much better than the pure heal loucha gives
I don’t think ratio is at A tier level. He fits more in b in my personal opinion. Jingliu and Dan are the old meta units and are still good, Boothill is a Firefly lite version and the dots are in my opinion one of the best team comp if we exclude Acheron/Firefly
@@somerandomguy3251In normal teams ruanmei lc would be better, but in break teams her lc buff(24%dmg increase) is useless. But it does give 60%be, energy for team and additional skill points. It’s good but memories of the past gives 56%be on s5 and energy for self. If you don’t have 2 s5 memories of the past it’s still nice to have that lc.
@@bobthegoat760 not really , even without the buffs Firefly is still top 2 if not the the strongest dps in the game , especially at E0 , but ofc with the break buffs no dps can compete her , even acheron
@@ImagineCats9339 yeah ofc i didnt contest her top 2, shes def a goated dps I just think acheron will be slightly better moving forward (jingqiu next patch is part of the reason). I have both teams and firefly really outperforms acheron by a landslide rn, well have to see how things turn out.
@@junedmomin2106 Enjoy that screenshot damage on your ult while Firefly's repeated attacks and weakness consistency makes Acheron's damage over the span of a cycle into a joke 🤣
Clara and Blade on same tier is wild. Blade is definitely a tier lower mainly because his numbers don't hold up anymore AND we don't have any support that buffs HP offensively instead of attack. We got bronya, sparkle, rm, pela and sw that help increase blade's dps but it isn't as synergetic when you use them with other dps units.
@@raiesh3813 clara and ratio are both main dps-es and both synergize well w/ the fua team although aventurine might take away the aggro, but still very strong.
When tf did prydwen put loucha and aventurine in the same tier wtf. Aventurine is t0 and loucha is t1, meanwhile Gallagher, Fu Xuan and huohuo are t0.5@@HSRMOC
@@Hiro016 it makes sense in the recent MOC. Aventurine is def better this MOC. Argenti deals nuclear damage and most of his hits are aoe. But they did explain why Fu Xuan got demoted and I do agree with the reason they gave
I disagree about the sustain tierlist it wild to have all of the 5-star sustain in the same tier when it is clear that some are just better than others like Aventurine is in the same tier with Luocha? Nah bro even Gallagher is arguably better than him in sustain and utility
How is Gallagher arguably better than luocha in utility? What utility does luocha even bring other than stripping buffs away? Gallagher is the best in his niche
i recently got firefly off of a 50/50 early pull and she is absolutely CRAZY for my apocalyptic shadow, MOC, and Divergent Universe runs. I don't even have a good build on her, but she still performs at an insane level even without ruan mei. She's honestly amazing and I 100% recommend her to anyone interested in her. 🤗
@@gym4379 not rly cooked she can perform rly well even without ruan mei cuz the super break of ff is crazy but with ruan mei the dmg are gonna go through the roof especialy the ult effect that delay enemy action more
4:07 My Argenti certainly does a bunch of damage on Single boss since he has bounce mechanic he's Ult is doing 333k with Breakfast LC, I think he's pretty underrated but an 5 star Tingyun will definitely ramp him up imagine it gives max Ult energy to a single ally xD.
I would agree to the dps tierlist definitely, except for one thing, I think Blade should be lower, he is too LC dependant and even with LC his damage is really low
Luocha has basically a follow-up-heal in any emergency that may happen, he's kinda broken in certain situations. He can also take away any buffs that enemies have on them. While both Luocha and Gallagher have a more attack-oriented kit, Luocha has more heal uptime that doesn't rely on characters attacking, and can be used in more diverse situations. However, both of them are absolutely amazing and viable! Hope this helps luv
@TheoremAnimates wtf u talking about luocha still requires people to attack to heal enough with the emergency heal that is never brought up when huhhoh is compared to him Gallagher generates more sp can contribute to helping breaking and reducing toughness and bessoted is an actual buff to super and break dmg his debuffs are good for acheron and ratio and his enchanced basic gets the aoe healing and the more the ennmies the character attacks more health meaning from 1hp ur dos can get a full heal Gallagher way better
@@UltimatePollo3495 dude any character contributes to depleting the toughness bar. What I think the above commenter is saying is that luocha is more versatile so he is slightly better, but in some cases Gallagher is better. And I also agree with that. Yea Gallagher is really good and deals lots of damage whilst being able to sustain the team, that's lovely. Side note I'm 100% sure Gallagher does not generate sp more than luocha, it's unlikely that a character that legit doesn't even skill in most cases generates less skill points than a character that relies on their skill alone to heal
@@thierrymazango3544 correct! While versatility gives Luocha a slight edge, both are amazing in their own regard. It's like comparing apples to oranges, really
@@thierrymazango3544 and you're correct about sp. Because of the follow-up-heal that Luocha has, he is 100% sp positive almost all the time, because you nearly never need to use his skill if you have good energy regen on him.
I feel like Black Swan should be in the DPS tier list. She is doing quite a lot of DoT damage that I wouldn't really consider her as a "sub DPS". She's more of just a 2nd DPS who has great synergy with Kafka.
@@mikiasmelaku3916 what do we consider a dps because i consider anyone who builds for damage stats to be a dps or “damage dealer”, unless your definition is different?
Loucha is definitely not in the same tier as the rest of S he’s an A character he’s amazing snd he’s always a safe option but he’s not fuxuan, aventurine and huohuo
Its so crazy how a destruction and a nihility character do a hunt characters job better than the hunt character themselves..... Like whats the point of hunt anymore.....
@@senioralexander6681nope not at all, have you seen Mrpokke use e6 JY💀 I was shocked on how low that dmg is. I'm guessing your saying this cause the only dps units you have is dhil and JY?
@@yassinechronos3829That is true but I guarantee you Give it time Nihility and Destruction units will take over this game in its entirety one day and these questions are going to have to start being answered where you genuinely ask whats the point of Hunt AND Erudition....
i actually don't use any of the break teams, so i don't use hmc lol. fmc is actually really nice with my acheron to stack the ult in the "sustain" slot even though the goal is still to kill them quickly
The video was going good.. Then comes the sustain list. Bro literally put Aven, Fu & Huohuo WITH Luocha in S tier?? And putting Gallagher beneath Luocha?? Never let bro cook again 😂
That pissed me off gallagher more sp postive so all u have is emergency heal and if u watched Mr pokke vid the usage rate of got before even firefly came was so high
I have a tip for people that play ff on sim universe dot nihility and suspicion can rly be powerfull if there one enemy on the field bcs the brk effect also buff dot it rly grind the boss health
Luocha is good in every team u need a healer lol ,first 5* sustain .... saying Gallagher is better is a crime... can play him in every team like luocha ?
@ImagineCats9339 umm no gallagher also works with acheron and ratio read his kit bro he applies debuffs and gallagher is just as comfy or maybe u are not building him right as he can solo sustain everything so bringing that up change nothing
LMAO gallagher is much better than LOWcha why do you have 4 sustains S tier when it's enough to have one + broken galla? and why do you have one harmony in S tier, when you need 3-4 of them and all the event 5* is broken prydwen>>>
You forgot to mention that although Gallagher is meta rn, he has no debuff cleanse unless you get at least E2, which kinda sucks, I know what people are about to say but I personally spent around 18k Stellar jades maybe on firefly for both her and her lc and only managed to get E2, it was E1 at first but got another copy from my last multi after getting the week long tickets and so I imagine there are others in similar situation as me. Edit: My mistake, it seems Gallagher copies were easier to get in a previous patch, sorry for the mistake but it seems some people like to assume things.
You get E1 Gallagher for free and most people who build their gallagher play break team, you can pick 1 copy gallagher on firefly or RM banner All of my account have E6 gallagher after pulling for firefly
@@bobthegoat760 Ah, I didn't know that, I wasn't able to play on the Acheron patch, forgive me for being busy with irl stuff. Edit: Wait I think I remember one past event where they made you pick a 4s or something and I think he was in it, I believe I chose Guinaifen cuz she was E5 at the time and I liked her meme.
@@UltimatePollo3495 I have friends that played before I did and I have 4 stars that are E6 when they only have them at low E's, not everyone's gacha experience is the same my man.
I think e6 Gallagher should be in S tier as opposed to luocha. Cause his atk réduction, break vulnerability, enhanced basic toughness, luocha esque heals, and the most sp positive sustain. Also it’s break meta and he’s just so good
It breaks my heart to see Sampo on the lowest support tier, a 5 stars version is needed. I have Gallager on e6 and he is a beast, I love how efficient he is, normal attack sp+1 then ulti and extra action with normal attack team heal and sp+1. BTW, people underestimate Natasha and she is truly amazing. She has de lowest cost for the ultimate (90) in the game, with a build focused on speed, hp and eff res and equipped with the Messenger (or even Eagle) set relics and Ageless or Broken keel ornaments with ERR rope, you can sustain your team pretty well.
I know its your opinion and stuff but Luka is so good! Especially at E6!!! he is always in my dot teams (unless there is acheron...) but... actually well thats all.
My E0S0 boothill with a sustain against past present and future did 800k. Just saying, maybe shouldn't have judged him. Also the action delay on his ulti is so good as a break dps. Wish FF had that too
Yeah from what I saw boothill seems pretty overpowered(at least far better than imbibitor, jingliu, etc) but not a lot of people pulled for him so many people are judging him without even trying it first 😅)
he is next to some of the strongest dps in the game like dhil/jl .. seems fair to me . acheron and firefly are better mostly because they are braindead easy to play compared to boothill , and they are both better in aoe content like pure fiction
Why is Acheron here? Even if Acheron is E2 and needs only 1 nihility character, Harmony Trailblazer is still overall much better. Use Acheron in your second team for effectiveness. Without the Harmony Trailblazer, your Firefly does approximately 60% less damage, considering the DPS loss on Gallagher as well, even E2 Acheron isn't a good replacement.
I'd change HTB to be S tier, the fact that you have a unit that defines an entirely new meta and is a part of the best break comp in the entire game goes to show how much influence the trash panda brought to meta That and they make pretty good sub dps against single target team, but thats just me
Honestly speaking, if you're running a break comp with someone like firefly or boothill with at least up to e2, you'd want to run HTB regardless to bring out their full potential (and ofc, ruan mei)
Disagree with DHIL. His is 3rd in S tier. Just reminding that he was released in 1.3 and still fully competitive with "new era" dps characters. He is, like Firefly and Acheron, able to 0 cycle current MoC. People saying that he is much worse than Firefly, but I must remind them that: 1)Current MoC buff doesnt benefit him at all, also there is no imaginary weakness on those pigs. But he still somehow brute forcing even under these circumstances. Imagine what he capable of with appropriate MoC buff 2) There is still NO artifact set for him. It's actually crazy, cause both Firefly and Acheron already have it. And my boy DHIL has to use 1.0 set (Musketeer). 3) There is no basic attack buffing harminy unit. Sparkle is the closest to termin "best support", but still not it. DHIL has a lot more potential to skyrocket his damage then any other character ig rn
Based comment, especially about the relics. Him and Jingliu still have so much potential in regards to relics sets, that if they ever were to get dedicated ones to them, it’d be a contest close to the point that you’d have to look at MOC buffs. Your point about Sparkle is a bit cope though, since she literally does everything DHIL’s kit wanted. In my opinion, if a DPS can clear at least 5 MOC rotations over time with it’s changing buffs, they deserve the S tier pass unless the damage ceiling gets raised.
People really underestimate DHIL lol he's busted with Sparkle and doesn't feel much weaker than Firefly or Acheron , most of the time he clears in the same cycles
The problem with this moc is there's too many mobs or none at all and not enough quantum weak bosses In a perfectly fair moc (which will never exist but you get my point) seele would be a because her damage is still super high when the conditions are right, just this moc the average player cannot use her that well compared to others like dhil, ratio, or jingliu
@@catgirlkiana yeah that's true, it really just depends when the devs feel like adding certain weaknesses sadly unless you have firefly and boothill then youre pretty much okay.
She is But putting her In B tier with Blade is just not true if I were to decide put boothill up and put seele up there as well cause no one in B is better than Seele Seele is at least A in my case
I mean for right now Firefly is much better and it's really hard to compete when you is the clear number 2. Putting boothill at the same category as Acheron and Firefly is just wrong considering you know really well boothill just cannot compete with firefly
@@zoneumrthat’s a really stupid statement, boothill does more single target damage has better team flexibility, and the only reason he’s ***slightly*** behind firefly is because firefly has a team that’s specifically geared towards her and boothill hasn’t gotten his best in slot support yet
@@SuperSHADOWVIRUS bro slightly is a stretch considering almost every challenge this day is multi target and don't get me wrong Boothill is strong but have the same condition as Firefly if he doesn't break his enemy then he will lose a lot of damage potential and if he have to do that to every single enemy one by one you should get the idea why Firefly is just way better then Boothill
@@zoneumr it’s a stretch because they are both premiere break dps’s that 0 cycle the same content, boothill isn’t even bad in moc or in pure fiction. I would also say firefly is a lot harder to break enemies with without ruan Mei, you know how I know this? I have both lol boothill doesn’t need ruan Mei nearly as much as firefly, firefly on her own isn’t a better unit than boothill she just had an elite team comp that can break things for her otherwise her damage dips. Slightly is exactly the word, like seriously the star rail community is so delusional. Boothill isn’t as restrictive when it comes to pumping out his damage even with trickshot
@@zoneumr also in higher content, boothill can essentially make up for the super break damage gap by easily getting to 100 def shred, both at e2s1 they clear the same content in zero cycles only difference is boothill can be used in Dot teams with Kafka, Acheron teams as a dps elite killer and debuffer, a no sustain ice breaker team with misha sub dps so you can hit the 100def shred. It’s not really power creep if one unit needs specific conditions to do Acheron level damage while the other can literally pump out more single target target damage that’s similar if not better than acherons while being more flexible and always having access to that damage
respectfully boothill is the 3rd strongest dps in the game (dare i say 2nd strongest) and deserves the S tier, simply because this man can crack out easy 3-4-sometimes 7 hundred k dmg with one ability cast. his dmg is insane but lacks insane speed but bronya/egale set makes up for this (he can still act up to 4 -5 times). another point im not seeing mentioned is that Boothill is doing ALL the dmg in his team (due to not running HMC typically) whereas FF has amazing Team dmg (because of HMC). only issue is he has slight ramping but to counter this point EVERY MOC has trash mobs and they need to die anyways, and gives and easy way to instant 2 stacks. for these reasons I believe boot is actually an S tier unit.
I honestly don't think it's fair to say X character is bad because they're not good at MoC, recently it seems hoyo wants to balance the game modes more, the rewards and schedules for MoC and pure fiction changed and they added apocalyptic shadow too, its obvious they want to make players focus on pure fiction and the new AS just as much as MoC Just because a character was designed to work on pure fiction/AS it doesn't mean they're not meta, it means they're not meant for MoC, I feel like most players put way too much value on MoC when it's literally the same value as the other 2 Genuinely hope they continue on balancing the 3 game modes
I don't understand why tier list is based only in moc, pf character deserved a good tier when pf is equal to moc,and guallagar in e6 , is clearly equal or better than 5star character thank to her damage,debuff(acheron),break(hmc and break dps) and her high sp positive reach by only luocha, you don't really need a really great heal with her, because enemy is already dead or get break.
I pretty much completely agree, but if I were to change something, Argenti is in B tier. Or at very least, he definitely is able to do more dmg than Jing and Blade.
its not just about damage, its also how, as someone else said, disgustingly fast she is. its not that hard to get her up to 156 speed, giving her 3-4 actions per cycle of her ultimate. ironically, pairing them together in a team instead of a sustainer is disgustingly strong...but...very very veryyyyyy squish.
@@entsensei um she can surely move 4 times in her ultimate state but boothill got bronya so I don't really know where you pulled that information out of
gallagher the gigachad who sometimes deals 100k on his basic lol
mine deals 200k supa break
Mine only does like 70-80k, I think I may be lacking in BE
@@quantumtheabyssalwolf950you also do less break damage if you aren’t maxed
I did 3 mil with him in DU
@@AP_Rikka makes sense. I also remembered it was actually 90K that he does, and he’s lvl 75
Honestly, I'd swap Gallagher and Loucha. Gallagher doing 100k per basic in break teams, being so insanely SP positive and still an amazing healer makes him so much better than the pure heal loucha gives
Plus he good for acheron and ratio because of his debuffs
Why does everytime hear I hear "this change everything" it reminded me of mtash
Is it the guy who quit internet or some games like dozens of time(his only videos I get recommended to are those 😅)
@@DemonVenerable yep that guy 😂 on every games everytime
Break himeko is popping off she should be at least B with that build on this patch
I don’t think ratio is at A tier level. He fits more in b in my personal opinion. Jingliu and Dan are the old meta units and are still good, Boothill is a Firefly lite version and the dots are in my opinion one of the best team comp if we exclude Acheron/Firefly
My Sam did 700k skill in a stage with no fire weaknesses and only 1 stack of MOC buff. Should I say more
same. i just got her e1 and tried her out and hit 819k with 1 stack of moc buff
@@somerandomguy3251 that’s insane. Do you have her LC or E1 RM?
@@3.16music not really. i have e0s1 rm ( got her back in 1.6 didn't know e1 was better or not) and firefly using s5 fall of the aeon lc
@@somerandomguy3251In normal teams ruanmei lc would be better, but in break teams her lc buff(24%dmg increase) is useless. But it does give 60%be, energy for team and additional skill points. It’s good but memories of the past gives 56%be on s5 and energy for self. If you don’t have 2 s5 memories of the past it’s still nice to have that lc.
For harmony mc and ruanmei(both need that break effect)
❤
imagine how broken acheron would be when jiaoqiu arrives
she is already insane and top 2 dps , i don't think jq is going to break her
@@ImagineCats9339 arguably top 1, firefly has been doing so much damage due to the be focused buffs on moc. It'll at least be a good damage increase
@@bobthegoat760Acheron is better than Ff for sure.
@@bobthegoat760 not really , even without the buffs Firefly is still top 2 if not the the strongest dps in the game , especially at E0 , but ofc with the break buffs no dps can compete her , even acheron
@@ImagineCats9339 yeah ofc i didnt contest her top 2, shes def a goated dps I just think acheron will be slightly better moving forward (jingqiu next patch is part of the reason). I have both teams and firefly really outperforms acheron by a landslide rn, well have to see how things turn out.
Firefly > Acheron and its not even close.
real
cope fr
@@junedmomin2106 Enjoy that screenshot damage on your ult while Firefly's repeated attacks and weakness consistency makes Acheron's damage over the span of a cycle into a joke 🤣
FF is a bit stronger in my Experience so I don't quite agree how it's not even close
@@arcadius3257 FF and Acheron clear floor 12 in same turns. Embarrassing when MoC favours FF a lot. Few patches and Firefly will drop to A
Funny how Firefly and Acheron both got doomposted a lot before their release, and now they are the strongest 2 DPS
Clara and Blade on same tier is wild. Blade is definitely a tier lower mainly because his numbers don't hold up anymore AND we don't have any support that buffs HP offensively instead of attack. We got bronya, sparkle, rm, pela and sw that help increase blade's dps but it isn't as synergetic when you use them with other dps units.
to add to your point, Clara just got Robin, and she is potentially the dps that can do the most follow ups per Robin's ult time
I replace ratio with clara in the fua team and It works really great
@@raiesh3813 clara and ratio are both main dps-es and both synergize well w/ the fua team although aventurine might take away the aggro, but still very strong.
Putting Aventurine and Luocha in the same tier is wild
I would put Gallagher over loucha
Prydwen brain rot
When tf did prydwen put loucha and aventurine in the same tier wtf. Aventurine is t0 and loucha is t1, meanwhile Gallagher, Fu Xuan and huohuo are t0.5@@HSRMOC
@@tayyaboFu Xuan being below Aventurine is wrong tho.
@@Hiro016 it makes sense in the recent MOC. Aventurine is def better this MOC. Argenti deals nuclear damage and most of his hits are aoe. But they did explain why Fu Xuan got demoted and I do agree with the reason they gave
I disagree about the sustain tierlist it wild to have all of the 5-star sustain in the same tier when it is clear that some are just better than others like Aventurine is in the same tier with Luocha? Nah bro even Gallagher is arguably better than him in sustain and utility
How is Gallagher arguably better than luocha in utility? What utility does luocha even bring other than stripping buffs away? Gallagher is the best in his niche
@@JJ-mn3ndlol I agree all these fucin luocha mains erm emergency heal lol
you dont need to heal if you do so much damage they dont get to attack right 😭?
i recently got firefly off of a 50/50 early pull and she is absolutely CRAZY for my apocalyptic shadow, MOC, and Divergent Universe runs. I don't even have a good build on her, but she still performs at an insane level even without ruan mei. She's honestly amazing and I 100% recommend her to anyone interested in her. 🤗
What team.
If you don't have RM you cooked
@@gym4379 not rly cooked she can perform rly well even without ruan mei cuz the super break of ff is crazy but with ruan mei the dmg are gonna go through the roof especialy the ult effect that delay enemy action more
@@gym4379 just because there isnt ruan mei it doesnt mean it isnt good, but i agree with you in few aspect
@@gym4379Asta *Starman sounds*
4:07 My Argenti certainly does a bunch of damage on Single boss since he has bounce mechanic he's Ult is doing 333k with Breakfast LC, I think he's pretty underrated but an 5 star Tingyun will definitely ramp him up imagine it gives max Ult energy to a single ally xD.
I would agree to the dps tierlist definitely, except for one thing, I think Blade should be lower, he is too LC dependant and even with LC his damage is really low
Why the hell is Luocha in S? 😢😢 I mean Gallagher id just him but better and Gallagher has a niche break teams.
Luocha has basically a follow-up-heal in any emergency that may happen, he's kinda broken in certain situations. He can also take away any buffs that enemies have on them. While both Luocha and Gallagher have a more attack-oriented kit, Luocha has more heal uptime that doesn't rely on characters attacking, and can be used in more diverse situations. However, both of them are absolutely amazing and viable! Hope this helps luv
@TheoremAnimates wtf u talking about luocha still requires people to attack to heal enough with the emergency heal that is never brought up when huhhoh is compared to him Gallagher generates more sp can contribute to helping breaking and reducing toughness and bessoted is an actual buff to super and break dmg his debuffs are good for acheron and ratio and his enchanced basic gets the aoe healing and the more the ennmies the character attacks more health meaning from 1hp ur dos can get a full heal Gallagher way better
@@UltimatePollo3495 dude any character contributes to depleting the toughness bar. What I think the above commenter is saying is that luocha is more versatile so he is slightly better, but in some cases Gallagher is better. And I also agree with that. Yea Gallagher is really good and deals lots of damage whilst being able to sustain the team, that's lovely.
Side note I'm 100% sure Gallagher does not generate sp more than luocha, it's unlikely that a character that legit doesn't even skill in most cases generates less skill points than a character that relies on their skill alone to heal
@@thierrymazango3544 correct! While versatility gives Luocha a slight edge, both are amazing in their own regard. It's like comparing apples to oranges, really
@@thierrymazango3544 and you're correct about sp. Because of the follow-up-heal that Luocha has, he is 100% sp positive almost all the time, because you nearly never need to use his skill if you have good energy regen on him.
I feel like Black Swan should be in the DPS tier list. She is doing quite a lot of DoT damage that I wouldn't really consider her as a "sub DPS". She's more of just a 2nd DPS who has great synergy with Kafka.
if that was the case you would also have to take Sampo and the other dot appliers on dps since black swan's talent is just windshear with extra steps
@@mikiasmelaku3916 yes, and?
@@Internextion and she isnt a dps
@@mikiasmelaku3916 what do we consider a dps because i consider anyone who builds for damage stats to be a dps or “damage dealer”, unless your definition is different?
@@Internextion do you consider pela and silverworf to be a dps because they deal damage, it's like in genshin with xingqou or something
Loucha is definitely not in the same tier as the rest of S he’s an A character he’s amazing snd he’s always a safe option but he’s not fuxuan, aventurine and huohuo
Its so crazy how a destruction and a nihility character do a hunt characters job better than the hunt character themselves.....
Like whats the point of hunt anymore.....
yeah and that other class
@@Steven9567well at least the erudition excel in pure fiction
@@yassinechronos3829 jing yuan carries erudition path in MoC lmao! jing yuan only erudition who can stand on par with some other dpses
@@senioralexander6681nope not at all, have you seen Mrpokke use e6 JY💀 I was shocked on how low that dmg is. I'm guessing your saying this cause the only dps units you have is dhil and JY?
@@yassinechronos3829That is true but I guarantee you Give it time Nihility and Destruction units will take over this game in its entirety one day and these questions are going to have to start being answered where you genuinely ask whats the point of Hunt AND Erudition....
i actually don't use any of the break teams, so i don't use hmc lol. fmc is actually really nice with my acheron to stack the ult in the "sustain" slot even though the goal is still to kill them quickly
Putting pela in the same tier as silver wolf is crazy ngl (as someone who owns and uses both)😭 I think pela should be a tier up
Pela and pela?do u mean pela and sliverwolf?😂
@@roninhoang3273 yeah lol
I just pulled firefly after not playing this game for months and only doing my sign in every day and with her signature cone I guess I got lucky 😅
The video was going good.. Then comes the sustain list. Bro literally put Aven, Fu & Huohuo WITH Luocha in S tier?? And putting Gallagher beneath Luocha?? Never let bro cook again 😂
That pissed me off gallagher more sp postive so all u have is emergency heal and if u watched Mr pokke vid the usage rate of got before even firefly came was so high
Sustain Wise loucha is better break teams Gallagher is the go it's that easy
@@HuH22132 yeah but gallagher can still solo sustain luocha is better sustain than huhhoh doesn't mean he better than her
honestly no sustain should be next to Aventurine and Fu xuan
People saying non e4 gallagher is above luocha is wild 😂
boothill A ?, nah bro, big cap
I have a tip for people that play ff on sim universe dot nihility and suspicion can rly be powerfull if there one enemy on the field bcs the brk effect also buff dot it rly grind the boss health
Gallagher over Luocha FOR SURE. Especially now with Firefly.
I’m guessing you don’t have Welt built lol use him with HMC
Luocha is good in every team u need a healer lol ,first 5* sustain .... saying Gallagher is better is a crime... can play him in every team like luocha ?
Yes u can play gallagher in every team wtf u talking about
Luocha is better in non break team mainly because he's comfier to play , but Gallagher is a monster in break teams
@ImagineCats9339 umm no gallagher also works with acheron and ratio read his kit bro he applies debuffs and gallagher is just as comfy or maybe u are not building him right as he can solo sustain everything so bringing that up change nothing
LMAO
gallagher is much better than LOWcha
why do you have 4 sustains S tier when it's enough to have one + broken galla?
and why do you have one harmony in S tier, when you need 3-4 of them and all the event 5* is broken
prydwen>>>
bro def mad cuz his character isnt S tier 😭💀
I use preservation mc with the Trend of the Universal Market especially in pure fiction they give acheron so much stacks
I want Firefly, but I did a lot of pulls and got nothing. Figure I'm going to just save up for Jiaoqiu
Acheron will always be better!
Unga Bunga tierlist
Chadlagher > Chadluocha.
I wish i could play mine..but so far 0 relics usable lol. Sitting with 80 BE .
How important is her relic set? Over rainbow pieces?
You could stick to Rainbow if your still farming for pieces.
try reaching 140-155 spd and 150+ BE out of combat
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WHY IS TOPAZ IN SUPPORT SHES AN EXELENT DPS BY HERSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"second strongest break dps" damn people just lying now a days
Ikr , Xueyi is the second best break DPS after Firefly
How da hail is Argenti so low
he is acheron but lower damage with only 1 viable support and lower damage, by the time he gets his ult firefly and acheron have already killed them
@@mikiasmelaku3916 but he isn't worse than Xueyi
@@ImagineCats9339 on moc maybe
@@ImagineCats9339 he is in moc
My homies rock the SS starting teirlists... 😏
Bronya in B is so funny
B for balanced characters , good characters but there are better options
All fine just put Fuxuan one down and loucha 2 down
Rest below except gallagher one down
fuxuan still S tier though? she honestly outperforms aventurine in some teams, mind explaining?
@@bobthegoat760 she's already one down so...
@@fujinerz1220 really? dang
Did he forget fire-TB or is that just me?
Its here bruh 9:30
You forgot to mention that although Gallagher is meta rn, he has no debuff cleanse unless you get at least E2, which kinda sucks, I know what people are about to say but I personally spent around 18k Stellar jades maybe on firefly for both her and her lc and only managed to get E2, it was E1 at first but got another copy from my last multi after getting the week long tickets and so I imagine there are others in similar situation as me.
Edit: My mistake, it seems Gallagher copies were easier to get in a previous patch, sorry for the mistake but it seems some people like to assume things.
Nope I have e6 gallagher pull better
They literally gave like 3 galagghers for free on events though? bro must have forgot to play them
You get E1 Gallagher for free and most people who build their gallagher play break team, you can pick 1 copy gallagher on firefly or RM banner
All of my account have E6 gallagher after pulling for firefly
@@bobthegoat760 Ah, I didn't know that, I wasn't able to play on the Acheron patch, forgive me for being busy with irl stuff.
Edit: Wait I think I remember one past event where they made you pick a 4s or something and I think he was in it, I believe I chose Guinaifen cuz she was E5 at the time and I liked her meme.
@@UltimatePollo3495 I have friends that played before I did and I have 4 stars that are E6 when they only have them at low E's, not everyone's gacha experience is the same my man.
I think e6 Gallagher should be in S tier as opposed to luocha. Cause his atk réduction, break vulnerability, enhanced basic toughness, luocha esque heals, and the most sp positive sustain. Also it’s break meta and he’s just so good
Seele in the same tier as Blade is actual disrepsect they are not comparable seele does way more than blade does to be honest
Every single new characters "changes everything". It's getting ridiculous at this point. Hoyo needs to slow it down a little.
It breaks my heart to see Sampo on the lowest support tier, a 5 stars version is needed.
I have Gallager on e6 and he is a beast, I love how efficient he is, normal attack sp+1 then ulti and extra action with normal attack team heal and sp+1.
BTW, people underestimate Natasha and she is truly amazing. She has de lowest cost for the ultimate (90) in the game, with a build focused on speed, hp and eff res and equipped with the Messenger (or even Eagle) set relics and Ageless or Broken keel ornaments with ERR rope, you can sustain your team pretty well.
Qq is still S tier
Not damage wise but character wise she's really cute and funny imo
@@catgirlkiana but she literally still rivals DHIL and jing liu??? So at least put her in A
I know its your opinion and stuff but Luka is so good! Especially at E6!!! he is always in my dot teams (unless there is acheron...) but... actually well thats all.
Keep cooking my brother
Firefly didn't change everything but superbreak did
Is it important to have HMT in second slot or can I use her at 3rd slot and Ruan Mei at 2?
First hour let's go!
My E0S0 boothill with a sustain against past present and future did 800k. Just saying, maybe shouldn't have judged him. Also the action delay on his ulti is so good as a break dps. Wish FF had that too
Yeah from what I saw boothill seems pretty overpowered(at least far better than imbibitor, jingliu, etc) but not a lot of people pulled for him so many people are judging him without even trying it first 😅)
I hv boothill i would say that he is better than ratio jingliu dhil for sure definitely people underrate him
he is next to some of the strongest dps in the game like dhil/jl .. seems fair to me . acheron and firefly are better mostly because they are braindead easy to play compared to boothill , and they are both better in aoe content like pure fiction
Boothill is def S tied. He is easily best single target in the game. And best character for AS which arguably is proving much harder then MOC
My team FF, Archeron, RM and Gallagher cooked the game. Every Bosses feel like butter and I have nothing left to do now.
Why is Acheron here? Even if Acheron is E2 and needs only 1 nihility character, Harmony Trailblazer is still overall much better. Use Acheron in your second team for effectiveness. Without the Harmony Trailblazer, your Firefly does approximately 60% less damage, considering the DPS loss on Gallagher as well, even E2 Acheron isn't a good replacement.
Don’t talk about my boy Boothill like that
I'd change HTB to be S tier, the fact that you have a unit that defines an entirely new meta and is a part of the best break comp in the entire game goes to show how much influence the trash panda brought to meta
That and they make pretty good sub dps against single target team, but thats just me
Honestly speaking, if you're running a break comp with someone like firefly or boothill with at least up to e2, you'd want to run HTB regardless to bring out their full potential (and ofc, ruan mei)
Yeah but I think to make S u need versatility e.g ruin mai is still good outside teams
Fair enough, though compared to Ruan Mei, HTB is purely free
Disagree with DHIL. His is 3rd in S tier. Just reminding that he was released in 1.3 and still fully competitive with "new era" dps characters. He is, like Firefly and Acheron, able to 0 cycle current MoC. People saying that he is much worse than Firefly, but I must remind them that:
1)Current MoC buff doesnt benefit him at all, also there is no imaginary weakness on those pigs. But he still somehow brute forcing even under these circumstances. Imagine what he capable of with appropriate MoC buff
2) There is still NO artifact set for him. It's actually crazy, cause both Firefly and Acheron already have it. And my boy DHIL has to use 1.0 set (Musketeer).
3) There is no basic attack buffing harminy unit. Sparkle is the closest to termin "best support", but still not it.
DHIL has a lot more potential to skyrocket his damage then any other character ig rn
Based comment, especially about the relics. Him and Jingliu still have so much potential in regards to relics sets, that if they ever were to get dedicated ones to them, it’d be a contest close to the point that you’d have to look at MOC buffs. Your point about Sparkle is a bit cope though, since she literally does everything DHIL’s kit wanted.
In my opinion, if a DPS can clear at least 5 MOC rotations over time with it’s changing buffs, they deserve the S tier pass unless the damage ceiling gets raised.
@@raddifsheikh1736him yes but not jingliu. shes already on her ceiling. You cant fix her downtime which is her major weakness
@@Bos_Meong true true, but she’s also ran on 1.0 sets, so she still has room for improvement
People really underestimate DHIL lol he's busted with Sparkle and doesn't feel much weaker than Firefly or Acheron , most of the time he clears in the same cycles
Why luocha there?
Put some respect on welts name bro should be top of S at least
Maybe lore wise lol
She’s ssssssssssssssnake tire 🛞
wheres ratio ;(
A tier on the dps ratings...
i think seele is still amazing, multiple mobs is a good thing so her resurgence can activate more
The problem with this moc is there's too many mobs or none at all and not enough quantum weak bosses
In a perfectly fair moc (which will never exist but you get my point) seele would be a because her damage is still super high when the conditions are right, just this moc the average player cannot use her that well compared to others like dhil, ratio, or jingliu
@@catgirlkiana yeah that's true, it really just depends when the devs feel like adding certain weaknesses sadly unless you have firefly and boothill then youre pretty much okay.
She is But putting her In B tier with Blade is just not true if I were to decide put boothill up and put seele up there as well cause no one in B is better than Seele Seele is at least A in my case
@@notxendras7730 seele is at least high A, der right below jingliu and dhil. to say shes in b tier is just objectively incorrect
putting Boothill in A is wild 💀
I mean for right now Firefly is much better and it's really hard to compete when you is the clear number 2. Putting boothill at the same category as Acheron and Firefly is just wrong considering you know really well boothill just cannot compete with firefly
@@zoneumrthat’s a really stupid statement, boothill does more single target damage has better team flexibility, and the only reason he’s ***slightly*** behind firefly is because firefly has a team that’s specifically geared towards her and boothill hasn’t gotten his best in slot support yet
@@SuperSHADOWVIRUS bro slightly is a stretch considering almost every challenge this day is multi target and don't get me wrong Boothill is strong but have the same condition as Firefly if he doesn't break his enemy then he will lose a lot of damage potential and if he have to do that to every single enemy one by one you should get the idea why Firefly is just way better then Boothill
@@zoneumr it’s a stretch because they are both premiere break dps’s that 0 cycle the same content, boothill isn’t even bad in moc or in pure fiction. I would also say firefly is a lot harder to break enemies with without ruan Mei, you know how I know this? I have both lol boothill doesn’t need ruan Mei nearly as much as firefly, firefly on her own isn’t a better unit than boothill she just had an elite team comp that can break things for her otherwise her damage dips. Slightly is exactly the word, like seriously the star rail community is so delusional. Boothill isn’t as restrictive when it comes to pumping out his damage even with trickshot
@@zoneumr also in higher content, boothill can essentially make up for the super break damage gap by easily getting to 100 def shred, both at e2s1 they clear the same content in zero cycles only difference is boothill can be used in Dot teams with Kafka, Acheron teams as a dps elite killer and debuffer, a no sustain ice breaker team with misha sub dps so you can hit the 100def shred. It’s not really power creep if one unit needs specific conditions to do Acheron level damage while the other can literally pump out more single target target damage that’s similar if not better than acherons while being more flexible and always having access to that damage
respectfully boothill is the 3rd strongest dps in the game (dare i say 2nd strongest) and deserves the S tier, simply because this man can crack out easy 3-4-sometimes 7 hundred k dmg with one ability cast. his dmg is insane but lacks insane speed but bronya/egale set makes up for this (he can still act up to 4 -5 times).
another point im not seeing mentioned is that Boothill is doing ALL the dmg in his team (due to not running HMC typically) whereas FF has amazing Team dmg (because of HMC). only issue is he has slight ramping but to counter this point EVERY MOC has trash mobs and they need to die anyways, and gives and easy way to instant 2 stacks.
for these reasons I believe boot is actually an S tier unit.
I honestly don't think it's fair to say X character is bad because they're not good at MoC, recently it seems hoyo wants to balance the game modes more, the rewards and schedules for MoC and pure fiction changed and they added apocalyptic shadow too, its obvious they want to make players focus on pure fiction and the new AS just as much as MoC
Just because a character was designed to work on pure fiction/AS it doesn't mean they're not meta, it means they're not meant for MoC, I feel like most players put way too much value on MoC when it's literally the same value as the other 2
Genuinely hope they continue on balancing the 3 game modes
I don't understand why tier list is based only in moc, pf character deserved a good tier when pf is equal to moc,and guallagar in e6 , is clearly equal or better than 5star character thank to her damage,debuff(acheron),break(hmc and break dps) and her high sp positive reach by only luocha, you don't really need a really great heal with her, because enemy is already dead or get break.
Gallagher is more sp postive than luocha that the thing when his ult up Gallagher can generated 2 skill points
just got firefly on a secondary account, going for light cone, after that, should I E1 Firefly for consistency or get Ruan Mei for shenanigans
Ruan Mei is so important to the break team
@@TheGoopiestGoopa okay
trash tier list
Only the sustain part. Blud literally put Luocha in S tier and Gallagher below Luocha. Rest of the list is fine
@@smolbeans7I'm not sure about Dr. Ratio being put above Jingliu and Boothill.
I honestly feel like Yanqing should probably be upped to C tier because of the addition of Aventurine
ruan mei and mc gonna fall off when break meta ends
Wtf u talking about ruin mai is a universal support she was in t0.5 without even break teams what are u smoking as it better be good
@@UltimatePollo3495prolly coping he lost 50/50 on RM banner🌚
@@JR_Zart lol she literally most universal support in the game
ruan mei has been the best support since her release 💀 never cook again
@@UltimatePollo3495 meant like fall off being best harmony. She will become same level as Robin if we get FuA dps as good as firefly or Acheron
I pretty much completely agree, but if I were to change something, Argenti is in B tier. Or at very least, he definitely is able to do more dmg than Jing and Blade.
BH does more dmg than FF does in aoe , idk what makes tcS think shes better than him or acheron
Cause she is and now cry me a River
ff is diabolically fast and can do 4x of what boothill's dmg in a single cycle
its not just about damage, its also how, as someone else said, disgustingly fast she is. its not that hard to get her up to 156 speed, giving her 3-4 actions per cycle of her ultimate. ironically, pairing them together in a team instead of a sustainer is disgustingly strong...but...very very veryyyyyy squish.
@@entsensei um she can surely move 4 times in her ultimate state but boothill got bronya so I don't really know where you pulled that information out of
@@rgd9945boothill does defintly more damage than one ff aoe attack