I love lamp… and I’ve seen about 10 fix in the last 18 months in classes and not a single one has done super well. At least 4-5 have been sent back for hard bolt lift, trigger issues, or inaccuracy. Yeah…. “Only ever seen 2 with issues” is completely false unless they have like 500 CS reps and that person started there yesterday. It’s a hunting rifle niche gun and not a practical precision rifle. I hate the sig cross as a practical rifle and it still shoots better this the fix
That’s where I think people go wrong with both the fix and the cross. It’s specially made for 1 shot on a hunt, the perfect hunting rifle. I say this as a cross owner and have the same issues with the gun. But I know what it’s for, and what it does. So I’m ok with that
@@iamtherealrauschguy this plagues a lot of american gun manufacturing. sometimes i feel like the ar is the only gun the US can manufacture well nowadays
I always love seeing a honest bad review about a Q product because Kevin had a full blown meltdown because something bad was said about one of his products
I have a q fix in 6.5 with the 22” barrel. It shoots lights out 0.5” moa. I also have a 16” barrel that I’m wanting to use for hunting this fall. I hope my experience with that barrel is better than yours. Thanks for being upfront about everything man you just don’t see that very often I really appreciate it
If it helps at all, I can get 1/2 minute groups consistently from prone or bench rest at 100yds out of my 16in 6.5 fix. I have heard from so many people that they haven't had a good time with accuracy of the fix (especially the .308) so I am extremely grateful that this hasn't been my experience, I even picked mine up second hand with less than 100 rounds on it cause the guy who got it before me didn't like it and put it on consignment for $2100 at my local ffl.
UPDATE: It's still shooting 2-4MOA with ELDM and CX even after the barrel replacement. Sup dude, I had a very similar experience to yours. I made a few comments in your last video and ended up sending in my Fix for RMA shortly after (Also a 6.5cm 16"). My rifle was doing roughly 3MOA with ELD-M 140's. Customer service was great like you said. They were very responsive and I got my rifle back in about 4 weeks. They attached a cutout of the target that they tested the new barrel with and it was a weird looking "J" shaped group (like someone drew a J with 5 bullet holes), but it was 0.85" nonetheless. Hoping to test it out in a few weeks with more ELDM and possibly CX. Just trying to stay optimistic at this point because I really like the gun but man, that thing was shooting like my 10.3 AR does with the cheapest range ammo.
I own two of these and zeroed one for a coworker, each of them have shot three-quarter minute groups with five shots in the groups at 100yd with gold medal match and Hornady match. Seems like it’s a barrel problem I would think 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you giving a true video behind this issue. I had an issue with my mini fix I know different rifle but it was very accurate just wouldn’t reliably shoot light primer strikes for days even after the recall. Ammo can be blamed in part but I tried every single type of ammo and bought a shit ton that Q recommended and said would work. Same issue lost out on 2 deer in a year. Customer service was amazing sent the gun out 3 times, but couldn’t trust the rifle, sold it.
The best outcome from this would be Q just changing their barrel supplier. Even if it adds another $200-300 to the price, it’s already a premium product. A light weight 16” with a folder that shoots like a laser would be worth it
@@possum__puncher They were until Kevin pitched a fit and burned his bridge with Bartlein saying they were screwing things up. Bartlein hates him so much I commented on a non-Bartlein post on Facebook (years ago) about how much of a prick Kevin is and Tracy Bartlein himself showed up and gave me a free barrel blank.
Tracks with my personal experience and what I have and haven’t heard about their barrels since the falling out with Bartlein/Tooley. Those original barrels are money and I think you’d have been happy had you had one.
My gun must be one of the Bartlien barrels cause I get 3/4 to 1/2 moa groups consistently out if my 16" 6.5 fix. I got it 2nd hand (with less than 100 rounds through it) for a good price on consignment through my local FFL so I'm not certain when it was originally bought.
Thanks for posting, setting expectations is an important part of good customer service, and while Q is trying to set a high expectation, it seems like they are having trouble delivering, which is something that is more common than most might like to admit. It's entirely possible the shooting environment Q is testing in (I think they're in NH or something) is wildly different than the hot central midwest, texas, or the desert southwest. Conditions matter. There was a particular rifle company I worked for for a while that would completely choke and fail to function reliably as soon as temperatures dropped below freezing, and it was a rifle designed and tested here in the desert southwest. It sounds like the right thing happened here, and it was a happy ending because everyone was happy.
Very similar experience to you. In my experience, it is a 2-3 MOA gun with match ammo. Your comment that "this gun makes me feel like a bad shooter" is exactly how I feel whenever shooting for groups with it.
I had an almost identical experience with a Christensen's MPR. First round was always 2" low and 1" left at 200 yards, second two shots were together and sub-MOA. Probably the only nuance was that you could drop a Trigger Tech Diamond in the MPR. Great video; this information should help everyone (manufacturers and customers).
Got a 16" 6.5 fix a month ago. Took it to the range and put 120 rounds through it with just a red dot waiting on my scope to come in. Got it all put together. Went and bought 6 different quality ammos. Cleaned the barrel super thoroughly. Then took it to the range and fired 10 fouling shots. Let it cool to ambient and started the first 5 shot group. After trying all six ammos i got 6 2" groups. I let the barrel and suppressor cool to ambient between each ammo change. All ammos had a SD of around 10-15 fps out of the rifle. Got frustrated and grabbed my tikka 30-06 out of the truckwith a carbon fiber stock (aka rifle is almost the same weight overall with much more recoil) and shot a 5 shot .75" group off the same set of bags. I have heard that having the short top rail can cause them to group badly. But decided to bring mine home and break it into all the little pieces and reassemble it to tq spec for ever part of the rifle/rails/rings/and scope. We shall see if maybe some unexpected part was not quite tight. But I'm getting the feeling its gonna have to get a non Q barrel and a full top rail to see what happens. Inspected the bore and it looks great, velocities have been recorded for every roumd ive fire through the rifle and are consistent between ammos. But the comment you made "it makes me feel like a bad shooter" really hits home. Although I like the rifle enough to make it work one way or the other.
@possum__puncher very similar experience. Mine would group on average 3 out of 5 in around an inch but there would always be 2 flyers in random places making the average just over a 2" circle. I even had the RSO who is a pretty good shot do a group. His opinion was that it was fun to shoot but ended up with 2" as well. Was thinking of sending mine in till I watched your video. And who knows, maybe I would win the barrel lottery. But I think it will just be easier to buy a precision barrel from someone who only makes barrels if this disassembly reassembly doesn't magically cure my accuracy woes. 🤔 not worth wasting a month of hunting season to save some money when I'm already this deep in between the rifle/optic/ammo/and suppressor.
I was struggling with the 140gr stuff. Could clover leaf 2-3 out of 5 but then have 1-2 really open up the group. I’ve had better results with the lighter 120gr ammo. But sadly I don’t think I’ve gotten anything close to .9” groups. Probably my best is just over an inch. I’ll stick with it because it’s still an awesome gun! I would like to see .75” sure. But it’s getting the job done as it is.
@@possum__puncher appreciate the truth. A lot of people would’ve grabbed the free barrel, put it as a side note in their description which no one ever reads, got free shit from them and then carried on!!! Earned a sub for this video brother.
I liked this rifle so much I tried it twice, haha. Tried it with a Proof barrel even. I sold both of them. My conclusion: it is technically capable of accuracy, the problem is the stock. It is so skinny that it is difficult to use consistently. It looks and feels cool at the counter, but trust me it is really problematic when shooting. Also this rifle has a weird recoil impulse for some reason. In the end, I think the ergos make the Fix impossibly difficult to consistently shoot well. I would love to try one with a Magpul PRS stock or somethin just to see what its like. But for me, I'll stick to more traditional bolt guns.
@@shrubjr893 the stock isn’t my favorite to shoot off of. I did like the folding mechanism though but yeah at the end of the day the gun does what it does. And it seems like for many, it just didn’t work out.
Dam my bone stock Bergara B14 consistently shoots 3/4” groups with my hand loads. I was seriously considering getting the Q fix. Now I’m thinking I better do some more research. From what I’m reading in the comments section. Q was having Bartlein make the original barrels for this rifle. Then there was a falling out between Q and Bartlein. In short it would be a big gamble on my part to drop the coin on the fix. Get a bad one and have to spend even more money on it to have the proper barrel put in it. Idk it seems like in your case you paid for the unique action. It’s just a lot of money to spend and potentially get a dud barrel. Crap I’m happy you posted this video and I’m mad you posted this video. I’m probably not gonna plunk down the money on the fix after watching this video.
I think Q makes neat stuff that is interesting and reaches a broad appeal. I think Q’s marketing is clever and not deceptive and reaches a customer base beyond hardcore prs shooters. It is good to hear that their customer service is diligent and prompt and willing to go all the way to fix problems. However, what does make me think twice about getting a Fix, especially when Q is offering can promos, is KB’s online presence. He reminds me a lot of how John Willis of SOE Gear acts online. It’s annoying and at times seems petty to the point of vindictiveness and wholly unnecessary when the product should speak for itself.
@@possum__puncher it’s one thing if Q products were objectively better than everyone else’s. You could make an argument that some of the things they do are better, but not by much. Also take a look the new muzzle device Q launched and why it was launched. Some of the things said in that launch video are wholly unnecessary. Q is trying to build an ecosystem of products and that’s laudable, but the way they, KB especially, take criticism gives me pause. And the wild part is that I still want and will probably buy a Mini Fix some time in the near future just bc it’s neat, but I’m realistic to believe it’s not a precision shooter.
@@BBSPV i think if you go with the mini-fix with the proof in 22arc or 6arc from tag. They probably shoot really well. I think a 6arc in a lighter rig could be rad.
I want so much to love this gun, but I hear of so many people having the same issues... Would love to know what it shot and what the difference was in the barrels he put on (length, same twist rate etc).
It sounded like a barrel problem, not an actual platform problem. You said the friend you traded it to put new barrels on it and it shot, so it seems as just a bad barrel you received.
@@NightfallArmament 2 bad barrels. The original and replaced, it’s a 3400 dollar gun that they used with an 80 dollar green mountain barrel. My friend made it shot because he’s a barrel manufacturer. They make good barrels.
@@possum__puncher I agree with you on bad barrels and I know it sucks when you pay a higher price for something and it doesn’t do what you want it to. Your friend put a higher end barrel on it and it groups well, so it’s not a platform issue, it is a bad barrel issue from Q so I wouldn’t say the Fix is bad, the barrels used as of lately (I’m assuming you purchased recently) need reassessment. I bought mine in 308 shortly after the fix was released years ago and it groups well, maybe they changed barrel manufacturers. My opinion they should sell the 6.5cr with proof barrels to begin with.
My 308 was more accurate than the 6.5. Could hardly zero the 6.5. Thought about keeping and throwing a proof in it until I remembered I shouldn’t have to for what it costs.
I had the same issue with my 6.5 and was really thinking it was me. I ended up selling it. And recently picked up a new one in 308 so we shall see how this one groups.
Pretty, expensive guns… that dude was arguing with me too on some other video about the hb. Quoting “balanced bolt catch” and how that’s better for full auto. I didn’t know that was a thing for semi’s… I dunno. I get what they did. New name, well letter. But it’s a flashy brand. That’s their deal. Man when 4-500$ rigs group better than 34-3500$ ones… meh.
❤❤Thanks for your honesty ,knowing that they went as far as offering you a full refund makes me happy enough that i would still buy one and if it came to be a lemon and they couldn't squeeze the accuracy out of it to keep me happy ,,well nice to know they will refund you as im sure there are many companies out there that wouldn't and they would just say "tough shit you fuuked it up so deal with it "or not even respond ,,,,,so yeah id still buy a Q ,,i would only buy a 6.8 boombox or maybe a honeybadger /sugarweasel ,,,6.5 creed id buy Tikka or Accuracy International .i totally liked all the Cussing you did and we all need to Cuss a shitton more !!
See I was thinking the same way as you were about them giving him a full refund. BUT would Q do that for everyone including some blue collar guy like myself that doesn’t have a following on RUclips??? Part of me thinks no i think they would treat me like the working class stiff that I am.
I picked a Christensen arms mpr with a SS barrel instead of carbon In 6.5 creedmore over the fix. I didn’t like the butt pad size and feel when I shouldered it. It was very thin in certain areas that made it feel weird to me. The bolt felt very mechanical too. not smooth like you would expect.
I had a bergara rifle that I was very frustrated with a 6 moa shooting. Seemed the barrel was bending upwards with each shot, Tried multiple people and 2 different scopes, all did the same thing While it was difficult to get them to take it, bergara did rebarre it, and while they claimed in was .5 moa gun now, the ammo I have used is atleast consistently 1.5 or under with 10 rd groups, I’d say some is me, some is larger sample sizes which is the real way to judge a gun, but I’m happy with it now and that was a 900 dollar gun The Q that is some trash. I get the names the fix and the trash panda now
I see the Fix as a hunting rifle and not a precision rifle. I haven’t had issues with mine in .308. Shoots sub MOA for me. Don’t think I’ve ever shot better than .75 though. Feel like for a precision rifle it needs to be less than .5 consistently.
Next try should be the MPA production hunter rifle. $1000 less and a bad ass setup. Sounds like they had great CS but this rifle in particular didn't deliver.
@@Way2Evl I’m a big proponent of tuners I have the ec and tmb and chad. This gun more specifically the barrel didn’t shoot. When changed by the next owner to aftermarket barrels it did great. But for 3200 it had better shoot from the factory.
@@possum__puncher I do agree bro. I thought even 1 moa was shite for such a pricey tool. Would have been cool though to see what a tuner would have done for it.
I have a 16” 308 cross and see these same issues. But I’m ok with that because I know what the gun does, what it was made for, and what I want to use it for. I’m thinking about rebarreling to a proof research stainless 6mm creedmoor tho
Right on, For me I won’t keep a gun that I won’t shoot. And for what that Q costs it should be much better. But I hope you rebarrel your cross and learn to love it!
@@possum__puncher did you ever try any handloads for it? I know that shouldn’t be a necessity but I’ve heard you can get both fix and cross to shoot lights out by hand loading
I got mine when they offered the Fix in 22 inch Bartlein or Proof CF stock. My bartlein 22 inch gun shoots as advertised and better with handholds but that's crazy.. 3200 bucks for a chat session lol I wonder who is manufacturing their barrels now.
Im being told it’s green mountain. 😂 I could be wrong but that would mean they switched from a $500 dollar barrel to a $80 barrel and didn’t lower the price to my knowledge😂
Just for the sake of details, what suppressor/attachment are you using and did you compare suppressed/unsuppressed groups? I have an older Gemtech can that I was using on a Sig MPX with a tri-lug mount. At 25yds, it would only shoot accurately in one of the three positions. With the other two positions, I got to enjoy a shift of THREE inches!!! Tore the can apart, it was incredibly filthy. I’d acquired it and a couple other pieces in a trade from a dealer who’d been using it on an MP5 for years. Anyway, I cleaned it out, took it back out and no change. I fiddled/farted around with everything I could imagine, no change. Seems to work just fine direct threaded, so I borrowed a different tri-lug mount/host. Same issue. Juuust wondering.
@@possum__puncher Thanks! I’ve got a shiny new Fix in my safe, bought in .308 with an 8.6 barrel. I haven’t shot it yet, I’m a fair weather shooter and right now, in central Florida, it ain’t fair!!! Anyhow, eventually I’ll get around to it, by then my “free” Porq Chop should be in and cleared, and I’ll let you know how it goes, assuming you’re interested. Thanks for the video!
Make sure you show those wild groupings. Only verbal claims don't hold a lot of weight. This being the first video I have watched on this channel I want to know what your testing was and that you tried with varying optics and with/without suppressors.
I wish you had shot some video of you testing the gun. I see people shooting guns for testing, and I see the bipod pouncing around on the bench from place to place to place. And they are measuring for accuracy. Did you shoot with a sled? Did you have a squeeze bag? Did you load the bipod? Were you shooting under the sun? We will never know cause you did not film it..
@@JOESRQFLUSA solid point, watch the last q video or check any of the PRS content, I consistently shoot my setups sub 1/2 or some 3/8 and 1/4. Because this gun sucked so hard we bought a case of their preferred ammo. Used a few PRS pros, and benchrest and f-class guy. The gun sucked through several muzzle devices and optic switches.
Hey brother - I’ve had my Fix for 5 years and have shot out the OG Bart barrel on it. +/- 2700 rounds through kt. Love the thing. I have a few proof barrels for it and i currently have a steel/med Palma on it that loves. - super curious who your buddy works for and how he fit the barrels? - seen some cool things people come up with for them! Thanks!
@@possum__puncher appreciate that. Apparently taking out the jam nut and fitting the headspace, per usual, makes for an awesome setup. Just have to find an extension.
Not saying it’s not the gun, but have you tried swapping optics? I had an experience with a gun I couldn’t get to shoot. Turned out my $3200 optic had crapped the bed. Now getting that scope fixed was a nightmare.
Are you using a taper adapter for your silencer? Because if you’re not using a silencer made for that tapered barrel you won’t get any reliable accuracy.
I got 1700 rounds of 6gt in my mpa barrel. Mike sexton and I both about .1 groups 5 shots after all year of match and load development and it shoots any kind of bullet weight velocity I can honestly say I love MPA for rifles. Q just hasn’t impressed me. Even though it’s lightweight and blah blah blah. 3200 dollars compared to my Christensen MPR in 300 win mag I haven’t had a proboem yet with that either. I look at Q like super car owners pay 1 million for a car to get gapped by a Honda at t2k
14:30 Yep. I got a 24" CTR stainless in 6.5 Creedmoor a couple years ago. It is by far the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. It averages < 0.5 MOA for 5-shot groups with just about every bullet I've tried in it. The fact you never hear about them is insane IMHO. You could basically buy 3 CTRs for the price of this gun and the CTR shoots groups ~1/3 the size of what this Q-fix was shooting.
I wish you actually showed us the groups. Did you try multiple optics to rule that out? I’m not a q fan at all and would never own one but there wasn’t any actual evidence of the testing done and I think that’s a little unfair. They also offered to re barrel and shoot groups to send you and you declined. I wonder what those groups would have been
I have the groups from the last video and I have the footage from this one I’ll make a reel with. We switched optics multiple times. 2 arkens, nightforce and mk5hd. If you look at the last video you can see what we did testing wise. We did send it to be rebarreled and it came back not shooting that’s this whole video. I had a problem, I gave it to them to fix and they didn’t fix it. And based on the comments it looks like I’m not alone.
You lost me at Q customer service was great. Suppressor welds that look like a failed welding test at vo-tech, and the customer service is that's the customers problem, the customer is wrong, stupid, and the rest is profanities. There's so much out there, no one has to lower themselves buying Q.
Kevin has a long history of being a complete prick to ordinary people and even companies. Guy accused Bartlein (some of the best barrels you can get) of being incapable of making good enough barrels for the Fix so he burned that bridge and started using Green Mountain barrels. But hey if he wasn't this erratic and abrasive, he wouldn't have had that restraining order put on him.
@@possum__puncher As I said in the other comment. My distaste for KB got me a free Bartlein barrel from Tracy Bartlein himself years ago. After how he talked to/about Thunderbeast he's on my shitlist for life too.
@@possum__puncher he's always sniped at them because their CB brakes have the threads forward of the taper. Whereas the Q mounting system has the taper before the threads which should theoretically help with less fouling on the mount threads. It's not functionally something anyone encounters or cares about but he's very proud of it. So Thunderbeast pointed out the rainbow colored welds on Q suppressors are indicative of them contracting their welding out to Michael J Fox or someone else with Parkinsons (my words, not theirs). At the time a couple of Q suppressors had been reported to have issues related to bad welding. He then had a giant meltdown on SnipersHide about TBAC.
The fix is very underwhelming. I had a 308 and no longer own it. Now the mini fix is tits. Certainly still not worth 3k though. Got mine for 2000 used which id say is so still high but reasonable. The fit should come with a proof barrel from the start for 3k total
I did, it wasn’t fixed. So it’s gone. IMO if you clearly state your legitimate issues with something and do the diligence to send it in for RMA, it should come back fixed. I went the route I did to show the CS side (which was great). But the performance wasn’t there.
@@possum__puncher No I meant I would have taken the refund. This comment was made right before you talked about your trade but right after you talked about telling them the gun still sucks. The first comment was made right after your boy said that the rifle still sucks.
I dont know. It seems like you are expecting a field rifle to be a bench rifle. Never in my life have I ever seen or heard about anyone showing up to a PRS or FClass match with a Q Fix. Even Q told you the best it would do was an inch, why would you expect better than that? I dont see what the issue is here other than you think its too expensive.
@@L0NGRNGE lol no I don’t expect a 16” 6.5 to be bench or f-class but it should should at least as good as guns that cost 1/2 as much. They didn’t say what their accuracy standard exactly was, and I imagine don’t on purpose, but they said they shipped me a barrel that was in that standard, when I expressed what it was doing they tried to buy it back or replace it again. So clearly it wasn’t in standard. Expensive is fine. Just be worth it lol
@@possum__puncher I mean I get what you are saying, but the cost part is a whole other conversation. Performance wise, it's an inch gun. Just like every other factory gun out there. They sent you the gun back shooting an inch so seems to me that's what they define as good. To me, and sounds like you too, an inch won't cut it. Thus a Q fix should have been avoided in the first place. It's a factory field rifle w/nice fit and finish so the price is elevated. I dont think you will find a half-inch and certainly not a quarter inch gun for less than $5K. I heard you say you have some factory guns that print .25" all day, and I just dont believe that. Your buddy shooting x47 may very well have one, but he aint shooting factory ammo and its probably a custom rifle (I dont know anyone who chambers 6x47 in a factory gun and zero people make ammo for it). 6x47 is what I shoot, and it will print dots, not blobs, all day, but it is a $12K gun all-in.
Probably the most astute comment on here, although if I’m being honest I can see both sides of the argument. Ultimately they could not get the stated accuracy from the gun and for its price it should be able to at least do that, however your probably right @L0NGRNGE, even that would not been sufficient. I think the cost/result was just never going to be there and I think it worked out best for both parties.
@@possum__puncher I absolutely agree, it should shoot an inch. Any sort of serious offering these days should shoot an inch with factory match ammo regardless of cost.
Well. I will never have to worry about this situation 😂🎉. Ain’t paying that dough for no rifle. 😂🎉. Of course I build my own anyways. Ain’t rocket science. Under one moa. Meh my ruger that’s over 30 years old does that. 😂. Not ragging ya much but dang what a waste of money that rifle was🎉
Does your buddy who bought it and spin barrels make any that are available to purchase? I've seen some wild groups with my Fix in 308 just going up and down in bullet weight. I have the 6.5 and 8.6 barrels but haven't swapped over to them yet...
@@possum__puncheryo side note - I shot them a message and they ghosted me haha. I’ve got money and an extension! Would love to get a barrel going from them.
I love lamp… and I’ve seen about 10 fix in the last 18 months in classes and not a single one has done super well. At least 4-5 have been sent back for hard bolt lift, trigger issues, or inaccuracy. Yeah…. “Only ever seen 2 with issues” is completely false unless they have like 500 CS reps and that person started there yesterday. It’s a hunting rifle niche gun and not a practical precision rifle. I hate the sig cross as a practical rifle and it still shoots better this the fix
I was scrolling just looking for your comment. Knew you’d be here spitting the truth.
The Bear has spoken. All other opinions don't matter.
That’s where I think people go wrong with both the fix and the cross. It’s specially made for 1 shot on a hunt, the perfect hunting rifle. I say this as a cross owner and have the same issues with the gun. But I know what it’s for, and what it does. So I’m ok with that
The man has spoken I’m getting a sig cross🤙🏼🤙🏼
Redditors punching air right now. Big difference between a dedicated hunting rig and a PRS rifle
“This rifle has cool features, in my experience accuracy is not one of them” ooof
@@Runningmancs I mean… yes
Ouch...I know plenty of folks Dunkin on the Sig Cross too but my 16in 308 shoots great with 150 gr Rem Core Lokt. No experience with any Q products
Truer words have never been spoken
most of the time it is the shooter that is not accurate.....
Prepare yourself for Kevin to shit talk you and your family in the comments lol
😂😂😂
@@iamtherealrauschguy from the top rope!!
@@iamtherealrauschguy this plagues a lot of american gun manufacturing. sometimes i feel like the ar is the only gun the US can manufacture well nowadays
its called the fix for a reason, they're still tryna fix it 🥁
Actually hilarious 😂
Whoa body slam straight to Kevin's dumb face..... Kevin just doesn't understand
I always love seeing a honest bad review about a Q product because Kevin had a full blown meltdown because something bad was said about one of his products
@@tylerk158 I’m just here to share what happened to my fix.
I have a q fix in 6.5 with the 22” barrel. It shoots lights out 0.5” moa. I also have a 16” barrel that I’m wanting to use for hunting this fall. I hope my experience with that barrel is better than yours. Thanks for being upfront about everything man you just don’t see that very often I really appreciate it
@@adamfletcher5350 hell yeah I appreciate it man! I’m glad that 22” is punching for you! Dent primers bro!
If it helps at all, I can get 1/2 minute groups consistently from prone or bench rest at 100yds out of my 16in 6.5 fix. I have heard from so many people that they haven't had a good time with accuracy of the fix (especially the .308) so I am extremely grateful that this hasn't been my experience, I even picked mine up second hand with less than 100 rounds on it cause the guy who got it before me didn't like it and put it on consignment for $2100 at my local ffl.
UPDATE: It's still shooting 2-4MOA with ELDM and CX even after the barrel replacement.
Sup dude, I had a very similar experience to yours. I made a few comments in your last video and ended up sending in my Fix for RMA shortly after (Also a 6.5cm 16"). My rifle was doing roughly 3MOA with ELD-M 140's. Customer service was great like you said. They were very responsive and I got my rifle back in about 4 weeks. They attached a cutout of the target that they tested the new barrel with and it was a weird looking "J" shaped group (like someone drew a J with 5 bullet holes), but it was 0.85" nonetheless. Hoping to test it out in a few weeks with more ELDM and possibly CX. Just trying to stay optimistic at this point because I really like the gun but man, that thing was shooting like my 10.3 AR does with the cheapest range ammo.
Kevin is going to burn your house down after this
@@nateshoots no I just painted!!
100%😂
Your honesty and transparency is appreciated. We need more of this.
P.S. filming the intro/outro in black and white… I see you 😂
@@_Lebowski_ I have no idea what you are talking about 👀
Q-sert : Betamax :: M-Lok : VHS
Sell it. You can build one that shoots better for less.
@@blaqkpanda oh it’s Gone check out the ending
@@possum__puncher yeah, i saw that at the end and nearly edited my comment. I think that all worked out for the best.
I own two of these and zeroed one for a coworker, each of them have shot three-quarter minute groups with five shots in the groups at 100yd with gold medal match and Hornady match. Seems like it’s a barrel problem I would think 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you giving a true video behind this issue. I had an issue with my mini fix I know different rifle but it was very accurate just wouldn’t reliably shoot light primer strikes for days even after the recall. Ammo can be blamed in part but I tried every single type of ammo and bought a shit ton that Q recommended and said would work. Same issue lost out on 2 deer in a year. Customer service was amazing sent the gun out 3 times, but couldn’t trust the rifle, sold it.
The best outcome from this would be Q just changing their barrel supplier. Even if it adds another $200-300 to the price, it’s already a premium product. A light weight 16” with a folder that shoots like a laser would be worth it
@@Mrtjw yeah, I heard the old bartlein barrels were solid af.
@@possum__puncher They were until Kevin pitched a fit and burned his bridge with Bartlein saying they were screwing things up. Bartlein hates him so much I commented on a non-Bartlein post on Facebook (years ago) about how much of a prick Kevin is and Tracy Bartlein himself showed up and gave me a free barrel blank.
Subscribed. Glad to see an honest take on RUclips for a change.
I appreciate you bro!
Tracks with my personal experience and what I have and haven’t heard about their barrels since the falling out with Bartlein/Tooley. Those original barrels are money and I think you’d have been happy had you had one.
I’d agree bartlein makes solid ass barrels
My gun must be one of the Bartlien barrels cause I get 3/4 to 1/2 moa groups consistently out if my 16" 6.5 fix. I got it 2nd hand (with less than 100 rounds through it) for a good price on consignment through my local FFL so I'm not certain when it was originally bought.
Thanks for posting, setting expectations is an important part of good customer service, and while Q is trying to set a high expectation, it seems like they are having trouble delivering, which is something that is more common than most might like to admit. It's entirely possible the shooting environment Q is testing in (I think they're in NH or something) is wildly different than the hot central midwest, texas, or the desert southwest. Conditions matter. There was a particular rifle company I worked for for a while that would completely choke and fail to function reliably as soon as temperatures dropped below freezing, and it was a rifle designed and tested here in the desert southwest.
It sounds like the right thing happened here, and it was a happy ending because everyone was happy.
I emailed customer service weeks ago with a genuine question about their silencers and never heard from them.
Very similar experience to you. In my experience, it is a 2-3 MOA gun with match ammo. Your comment that "this gun makes me feel like a bad shooter" is exactly how I feel whenever shooting for groups with it.
Yeah that’s the best way I could explain it. 😂
I had an almost identical experience with a Christensen's MPR. First round was always 2" low and 1" left at 200 yards, second two shots were together and sub-MOA. Probably the only nuance was that you could drop a Trigger Tech Diamond in the MPR. Great video; this information should help everyone (manufacturers and customers).
@@NHBackcountryGuide thank you sir!
Got a 16" 6.5 fix a month ago. Took it to the range and put 120 rounds through it with just a red dot waiting on my scope to come in. Got it all put together. Went and bought 6 different quality ammos. Cleaned the barrel super thoroughly. Then took it to the range and fired 10 fouling shots. Let it cool to ambient and started the first 5 shot group. After trying all six ammos i got 6 2" groups. I let the barrel and suppressor cool to ambient between each ammo change. All ammos had a SD of around 10-15 fps out of the rifle. Got frustrated and grabbed my tikka 30-06 out of the truckwith a carbon fiber stock (aka rifle is almost the same weight overall with much more recoil) and shot a 5 shot .75" group off the same set of bags.
I have heard that having the short top rail can cause them to group badly. But decided to bring mine home and break it into all the little pieces and reassemble it to tq spec for ever part of the rifle/rails/rings/and scope. We shall see if maybe some unexpected part was not quite tight. But I'm getting the feeling its gonna have to get a non Q barrel and a full top rail to see what happens.
Inspected the bore and it looks great, velocities have been recorded for every roumd ive fire through the rifle and are consistent between ammos. But the comment you made "it makes me feel like a bad shooter" really hits home. Although I like the rifle enough to make it work one way or the other.
@@1bobharvey it seems like we are not alone in our experiences
@possum__puncher very similar experience. Mine would group on average 3 out of 5 in around an inch but there would always be 2 flyers in random places making the average just over a 2" circle. I even had the RSO who is a pretty good shot do a group. His opinion was that it was fun to shoot but ended up with 2" as well.
Was thinking of sending mine in till I watched your video. And who knows, maybe I would win the barrel lottery. But I think it will just be easier to buy a precision barrel from someone who only makes barrels if this disassembly reassembly doesn't magically cure my accuracy woes. 🤔 not worth wasting a month of hunting season to save some money when I'm already this deep in between the rifle/optic/ammo/and suppressor.
What’s up party people a term use way back in the 1970s Nice vid and feedback 😮
@@AngelRivera-wp9bg thank you sir!
I was struggling with the 140gr stuff. Could clover leaf 2-3 out of 5 but then have 1-2 really open up the group. I’ve had better results with the lighter 120gr ammo. But sadly I don’t think I’ve gotten anything close to .9” groups. Probably my best is just over an inch. I’ll stick with it because it’s still an awesome gun! I would like to see .75” sure. But it’s getting the job done as it is.
Dude that sucks ! I have the Q Sugar Weasel SD and f#$&ing love it ! I’m on the fence about buying the Q fix .
Savagely honest, it’s how it all should be!!!! Love the green light from the mic going through your beard.
Thank you bro, hahaha I didn’t notice it until I was editing
@@possum__puncher appreciate the truth. A lot of people would’ve grabbed the free barrel, put it as a side note in their description which no one ever reads, got free shit from them and then carried on!!! Earned a sub for this video brother.
@@cerebralfirearms hell yeah thank you bro!!
I liked this rifle so much I tried it twice, haha. Tried it with a Proof barrel even. I sold both of them. My conclusion: it is technically capable of accuracy, the problem is the stock. It is so skinny that it is difficult to use consistently. It looks and feels cool at the counter, but trust me it is really problematic when shooting. Also this rifle has a weird recoil impulse for some reason. In the end, I think the ergos make the Fix impossibly difficult to consistently shoot well. I would love to try one with a Magpul PRS stock or somethin just to see what its like. But for me, I'll stick to more traditional bolt guns.
@@shrubjr893 the stock isn’t my favorite to shoot off of. I did like the folding mechanism though but yeah at the end of the day the gun does what it does. And it seems like for many, it just didn’t work out.
Ballsy and definitely appreciated getting actual experience, both on accuracy and customer service.
I appreciate it man. Just sharing my experience
Dam my bone stock Bergara B14 consistently shoots 3/4” groups with my hand loads. I was seriously considering getting the Q fix. Now I’m thinking I better do some more research. From what I’m reading in the comments section. Q was having Bartlein make the original barrels for this rifle. Then there was a falling out between Q and Bartlein. In short it would be a big gamble on my part to drop the coin on the fix. Get a bad one and have to spend even more money on it to have the proper barrel put in it. Idk it seems like in your case you paid for the unique action. It’s just a lot of money to spend and potentially get a dud barrel. Crap I’m happy you posted this video and I’m mad you posted this video. I’m probably not gonna plunk down the money on the fix after watching this video.
@@Johnny-jr2lq i agree with everything you said
I think Q makes neat stuff that is interesting and reaches a broad appeal. I think Q’s marketing is clever and not deceptive and reaches a customer base beyond hardcore prs shooters. It is good to hear that their customer service is diligent and prompt and willing to go all the way to fix problems.
However, what does make me think twice about getting a Fix, especially when Q is offering can promos, is KB’s online presence. He reminds me a lot of how John Willis of SOE Gear acts online. It’s annoying and at times seems petty to the point of vindictiveness and wholly unnecessary when the product should speak for itself.
That was well thought out.
@@possum__puncher it’s one thing if Q products were objectively better than everyone else’s. You could make an argument that some of the things they do are better, but not by much. Also take a look the new muzzle device Q launched and why it was launched. Some of the things said in that launch video are wholly unnecessary. Q is trying to build an ecosystem of products and that’s laudable, but the way they, KB especially, take criticism gives me pause.
And the wild part is that I still want and will probably buy a Mini Fix some time in the near future just bc it’s neat, but I’m realistic to believe it’s not a precision shooter.
@@BBSPV i think if you go with the mini-fix with the proof in 22arc or 6arc from tag. They probably shoot really well. I think a 6arc in a lighter rig could be rad.
Think they way to go if you like the Fix aesthetics, is to just get the chassis and then put the barrel and action of choice
@@sleipnirmarine1830 I believe that’s called the q side chick, and I don’t think they even make it anymore.
This Kevin loves you! And would love to take this off ur hands 😂🔥
@@kevinperez919 😂🤣😂 sorry kevin, it’s gone!
Applied Ballistics top gun theory estimates a rifle’s inherent precision based on the weight of the system and the recoil it produces.
Great video and thanks for being honest, I just bought one, hope I don't have the same issues 🤦♂️
You wearing those DDC underwear we sent ?!?? 😂
@@DILIGENTDEFENSECO I haven’t took em off yet 😂🤣
I want so much to love this gun, but I hear of so many people having the same issues... Would love to know what it shot and what the difference was in the barrels he put on (length, same twist rate etc).
It sounded like a barrel problem, not an actual platform problem. You said the friend you traded it to put new barrels on it and it shot, so it seems as just a bad barrel you received.
@@NightfallArmament 2 bad barrels. The original and replaced, it’s a 3400 dollar gun that they used with an 80 dollar green mountain barrel. My friend made it shot because he’s a barrel manufacturer. They make good barrels.
@@possum__puncher I agree with you on bad barrels and I know it sucks when you pay a higher price for something and it doesn’t do what you want it to. Your friend put a higher end barrel on it and it groups well, so it’s not a platform issue, it is a bad barrel issue from Q so I wouldn’t say the Fix is bad, the barrels used as of lately (I’m assuming you purchased recently) need reassessment. I bought mine in 308 shortly after the fix was released years ago and it groups well, maybe they changed barrel manufacturers. My opinion they should sell the 6.5cr with proof barrels to begin with.
My 308 was more accurate than the 6.5. Could hardly zero the 6.5. Thought about keeping and throwing a proof in it until I remembered I shouldn’t have to for what it costs.
This!!!!!
I had the same issue with my 6.5 and was really thinking it was me. I ended up selling it. And recently picked up a new one in 308 so we shall see how this one groups.
@@guntalk90 let me know!
Pretty, expensive guns… that dude was arguing with me too on some other video about the hb. Quoting “balanced bolt catch” and how that’s better for full auto. I didn’t know that was a thing for semi’s… I dunno. I get what they did. New name, well letter. But it’s a flashy brand. That’s their deal. Man when 4-500$ rigs group better than 34-3500$ ones… meh.
❤❤Thanks for your honesty ,knowing that they went as far as offering you a full refund makes me happy enough that i would still buy one and if it came to be a lemon and they couldn't squeeze the accuracy out of it to keep me happy ,,well nice to know they will refund you as im sure there are many companies out there that wouldn't and they would just say "tough shit you fuuked it up so deal with it "or not even respond ,,,,,so yeah id still buy a Q ,,i would only buy a 6.8 boombox or maybe a honeybadger /sugarweasel ,,,6.5 creed id buy Tikka or Accuracy International .i totally liked all the Cussing you did and we all need to Cuss a shitton more !!
@@damienthomas6655 thank you sir, I will cuss more!
@@possum__puncher Awesome ,,your a fuukin Legend Mate !!
@@damienthomas6655 🤣 appreciate you!
See I was thinking the same way as you were about them giving him a full refund. BUT would Q do that for everyone including some blue collar guy like myself that doesn’t have a following on RUclips??? Part of me thinks no i think they would treat me like the working class stiff that I am.
@@Johnny-jr2lq maybe, but to be totally transparent I dont have a big following and I really felt like the QC was legit.
I picked a Christensen arms mpr with a SS barrel instead of carbon In 6.5 creedmore over the fix. I didn’t like the butt pad size and feel when I shouldered it. It was very thin in certain areas that made it feel weird to me. The bolt felt very mechanical too. not smooth like you would expect.
Good luck with that MPR. Seen and had more problems with them than any fix rifles
I had a bergara rifle that I was very frustrated with a 6 moa shooting. Seemed the barrel was bending upwards with each shot,
Tried multiple people and 2 different scopes, all did the same thing
While it was difficult to get them to take it, bergara did rebarre it, and while they claimed in was .5 moa gun now, the ammo I have used is atleast consistently 1.5 or under with 10 rd groups, I’d say some is me, some is larger sample sizes which is the real way to judge a gun, but I’m happy with it now and that was a 900 dollar gun
The Q that is some trash. I get the names the fix and the trash panda now
Have not had the same issues with my Q Fix in 6 ARC, but it does have a Proof Research barrel. Sorry you are having this issue.
Hell yeah, Ive said in some other comments on here. I’d love to shoot that setup. Minifix in 6arc or 22arc would be noice!!
Rifle would have been awesome with a screw on barrel.. the way they did it, its no more accurate than an AR-15 with 10/22 style barrel connection.
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I'm a big Q fan and I'm currently battling with the same thing. I have a 8.6 Fix. 1.5-2.5 MOA
@@loganwalters9033 sucks to say but it seems to be a pattern based on the comments
Astonishing how crappy this rifle is ... tofu barrel? Would have been interesting to see if a barrel-tuner could have improved things
They are currently working with reptilica to create aluminum accessories and some plastic accessories such as foregrips, hand stops, and other items
Feed ramp might be clipping bullets may be the source of ur problems I may be wrong though but just a hunch based on what y’all are saying
I see the Fix as a hunting rifle and not a precision rifle. I haven’t had issues with mine in .308. Shoots sub MOA for me. Don’t think I’ve ever shot better than .75 though. Feel like for a precision rifle it needs to be less than .5 consistently.
That’s awesome yours is a shooter!
Great video.
Thank you sir, I appreciate that!
Next try should be the MPA production hunter rifle. $1000 less and a bad ass setup. Sounds like they had great CS but this rifle in particular didn't deliver.
@@PhalanxArms hell yeah I’ll definitely check that out. And yes they did.
Well i was about to pull the trigger on a Q but you are making me rethink things a bit.
Put an EC Tuner Brake on it and call it a day. Works for every gun Ive every put it on. Takes 1.25" guns down to .3".
@@Way2Evl I’m a big proponent of tuners I have the ec and tmb and chad. This gun more specifically the barrel didn’t shoot. When changed by the next owner to aftermarket barrels it did great. But for 3200 it had better shoot from the factory.
@@possum__puncher I do agree bro. I thought even 1 moa was shite for such a pricey tool. Would have been cool though to see what a tuner would have done for it.
I know arken makes good scopes for the money but are you sure you didn’t get a $300 lemon scope ?
@@Michaeldpress14 great question! I am. I shot it with my nightforce and Leupolds as well.
Solid review🤘
Thank you, I Appreciate it!
I have a 16” 308 cross and see these same issues. But I’m ok with that because I know what the gun does, what it was made for, and what I want to use it for. I’m thinking about rebarreling to a proof research stainless 6mm creedmoor tho
Right on, For me I won’t keep a gun that I won’t shoot. And for what that Q costs it should be much better. But I hope you rebarrel your cross and learn to love it!
@@possum__puncher did you ever try any handloads for it? I know that shouldn’t be a necessity but I’ve heard you can get both fix and cross to shoot lights out by hand loading
I got a good laugh out of this video, good shit guys
@@Ravenrifle thanks brother!!
I got mine when they offered the Fix in 22 inch Bartlein or Proof CF stock. My bartlein 22 inch gun shoots as advertised and better with handholds but that's crazy.. 3200 bucks for a chat session lol I wonder who is manufacturing their barrels now.
Im being told it’s green mountain. 😂 I could be wrong but that would mean they switched from a $500 dollar barrel to a $80 barrel and didn’t lower the price to my knowledge😂
@@possum__puncher ooofff.. well glad you got a ZCO out of it all. Bummer you had to invest all that time and effort to find out you truly had a dud.
@@possum__puncher ooofff.. well glad you got a ZCO out of it all. Bummer you had to invest all that time and effort to find out you truly had a dud.
Tell me the cheaper rifles with the outstanding MAO.
@@AngelRivera-wp9bg you mean cheaper rifles that shoot better than a MOA? Tikka, Seekins hit and nrl,
Mpa pmr, ga precision production, aero solus.
Just for the sake of details, what suppressor/attachment are you using and did you compare suppressed/unsuppressed groups? I have an older Gemtech can that I was using on a Sig MPX with a tri-lug mount. At 25yds, it would only shoot accurately in one of the three positions. With the other two positions, I got to enjoy a shift of THREE inches!!! Tore the can apart, it was incredibly filthy. I’d acquired it and a couple other pieces in a trade from a dealer who’d been using it on an MP5 for years. Anyway, I cleaned it out, took it back out and no change. I fiddled/farted around with everything I could imagine, no change. Seems to work just fine direct threaded, so I borrowed a different tri-lug mount/host. Same issue. Juuust wondering.
@@alanjohnson1204 I used the cherry bomb, I used the griffin taper, and others. With and without the taper adapter.
@@possum__puncher Thanks! I’ve got a shiny new Fix in my safe, bought in .308 with an 8.6 barrel. I haven’t shot it yet, I’m a fair weather shooter and right now, in central Florida, it ain’t fair!!! Anyhow, eventually I’ll get around to it, by then my “free” Porq Chop should be in and cleared, and I’ll let you know how it goes, assuming you’re interested. Thanks for the video!
@@alanjohnson1204 hell yeah! I’d love to know how it goes, I hope it hammers for you!!
Own two of them in different barrel lengths. No issues 🤷♂️ (also just subscribed)
Hell yeah, I’m genuinely glad they are working for you! Also I appreciate the sub!!
Wow dude, I'd be spittin' mad LOL....
“I’m not mad son, I’m just disappointed” 😂😂😂 always wanted to say that instead of hearing it
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Make sure you show those wild groupings. Only verbal claims don't hold a lot of weight. This being the first video I have watched on this channel I want to know what your testing was and that you tried with varying optics and with/without suppressors.
Hell yeah thanks for coming by. I have that in the first video I did. Check it out and let me know!
Taylor for President!!!
Jimmy won’t let me run 😢 he has the receipts
A ZCO! You came off my dude!
I’m happy! 😊
I wish you had shot some video of you testing the gun. I see people shooting guns for testing, and I see the bipod pouncing around on the bench from place to place to place. And they are measuring for accuracy. Did you shoot with a sled? Did you have a squeeze bag? Did you load the bipod? Were you shooting under the sun? We will never know cause you did not film it..
@@JOESRQFLUSA solid point, watch the last q video or check any of the PRS content, I consistently shoot my setups sub 1/2 or some 3/8 and 1/4. Because this gun sucked so hard we bought a case of their preferred ammo. Used a few PRS pros, and benchrest and f-class guy. The gun sucked through several muzzle devices and optic switches.
Q Sert was dead before it was born. Mlok ftw.
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This explains why I only bought it after the free can, I bought it with rebarrel in mind
Bought the gun for 2700 -1000 for the can you are looking at 1700 plus the 800 dollar proof barrel. 2500 is not bad
@@jzzzzz8362 hell yeah man! I hope it’s awesome! I’ve seen em group with proofs!
I'll keep my Sig cross/NX8... 😂
Does it shoot whenever it wants ?
@@Michaeldpress14 no, it has been flawless ~1500 rounds.
Hey brother - I’ve had my Fix for 5 years and have shot out the OG Bart barrel on it. +/- 2700 rounds through kt. Love the thing. I have a few proof barrels for it and i currently have a steel/med Palma on it that loves. - super curious who your buddy works for and how he fit the barrels? - seen some cool things people come up with for them! Thanks!
@@klajoye481 he’s at outlier now, 5 r button rifle. New company but the barrels shoot.
@@possum__puncher appreciate that. Apparently taking out the jam nut and fitting the headspace, per usual, makes for an awesome setup. Just have to find an extension.
@@klajoye481 give em a call!
My fix rifles have been amazing . I’ll take it off your hands …
I haven't had good luck with hornady 140 eldm or match. Tried federal gold medal and it's much better group wise and standard deviation wise
@@ethanharris5556 I agree with both of those statements. I did a 6.5 creed ammo test and the federal was better.
@@possum__puncher same results between the 2 brands in 308 as well in my experience
@@ethanharris5556 I haven’t compared side by side in 308 but that might be a video 👀
Not saying it’s not the gun, but have you tried swapping optics?
I had an experience with a gun I couldn’t get to shoot. Turned out my $3200 optic had crapped the bed. Now getting that scope fixed was a nightmare.
@@thepracticalrifleman yes sir tried two different Arlen’s, a nightforce, and a mk5hd
@@possum__puncher 👍🏻
Is it your can? Maybe they shoot 3 round groups? Definitely don't rebarrel.
@@ExpertOpinions805 I tried with more than 1 can and muzzle brakes. But yeah it’s gone now.
@@possum__puncher Good shit man.
“He said you ain’t got no nipples!”
@@jimmybrodriguez pow!
Damn I gotta fix my fix
Next update from this is Taylor And Kevin on the range
Good dude
Thank you sir!
Are you using a taper adapter for your silencer? Because if you’re not using a silencer made for that tapered barrel you won’t get any reliable accuracy.
@@TonySimmons-s2d I tried it with and without. Their muzzle device then others. Brakes and suppressors. I really wanted it to succeed
This is a hilarious parody entry!
Idk what you are talking about 😂
Put a proof barrel in it and call it a day
She gone!
@@possum__puncher 🥲🥹😂🤣
Now tell me what buffer system you’re using on the 11.5 mid noveske 😠
@@christopherkey3488 factory h2 bro!! I’ll double check 😂🤣
@@possum__puncher 😎 thanks brother
Would suck to have an inaccurate 6.5 creed. To me, its what its all about
Here comes kevin to talk about how rich he is and how he doesnt need younas a customer and that younare wrong
I got 1700 rounds of 6gt in my mpa barrel. Mike sexton and I both about .1 groups 5 shots after all year of match and load development and it shoots any kind of bullet weight velocity I can honestly say I love MPA for rifles. Q just hasn’t impressed me. Even though it’s lightweight and blah blah blah. 3200 dollars compared to my Christensen MPR in 300 win mag I haven’t had a proboem yet with that either. I look at Q like super car owners pay 1 million for a car to get gapped by a Honda at t2k
@@Triggertarzan hell yeah mpa makes fantastic production rifles. I’ve had one myself in 6.5
14:30 Yep. I got a 24" CTR stainless in 6.5 Creedmoor a couple years ago. It is by far the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. It averages < 0.5 MOA for 5-shot groups with just about every bullet I've tried in it. The fact you never hear about them is insane IMHO.
You could basically buy 3 CTRs for the price of this gun and the CTR shoots groups ~1/3 the size of what this Q-fix was shooting.
I agree
I wish you actually showed us the groups. Did you try multiple optics to rule that out? I’m not a q fan at all and would never own one but there wasn’t any actual evidence of the testing done and I think that’s a little unfair. They also offered to re barrel and shoot groups to send you and you declined. I wonder what those groups would have been
I have the groups from the last video and I have the footage from this one I’ll make a reel with. We switched optics multiple times. 2 arkens, nightforce and mk5hd. If you look at the last video you can see what we did testing wise. We did send it to be rebarreled and it came back not shooting that’s this whole video. I had a problem, I gave it to them to fix and they didn’t fix it. And based on the comments it looks like I’m not alone.
You lost me at Q customer service was great. Suppressor welds that look like a failed welding test at vo-tech, and the customer service is that's the customers problem, the customer is wrong, stupid, and the rest is profanities.
There's so much out there, no one has to lower themselves buying Q.
Kevin has a long history of being a complete prick to ordinary people and even companies. Guy accused Bartlein (some of the best barrels you can get) of being incapable of making good enough barrels for the Fix so he burned that bridge and started using Green Mountain barrels. But hey if he wasn't this erratic and abrasive, he wouldn't have had that restraining order put on him.
@@jimothy-johnson 🤣😂it seems that this is the common thought from a lot of people.
@@possum__puncher As I said in the other comment. My distaste for KB got me a free Bartlein barrel from Tracy Bartlein himself years ago. After how he talked to/about Thunderbeast he's on my shitlist for life too.
@@jimothy-johnson no shit?!? 😂 bro what happened with thunder beast??
@@possum__puncher he's always sniped at them because their CB brakes have the threads forward of the taper. Whereas the Q mounting system has the taper before the threads which should theoretically help with less fouling on the mount threads. It's not functionally something anyone encounters or cares about but he's very proud of it.
So Thunderbeast pointed out the rainbow colored welds on Q suppressors are indicative of them contracting their welding out to Michael J Fox or someone else with Parkinsons (my words, not theirs). At the time a couple of Q suppressors had been reported to have issues related to bad welding. He then had a giant meltdown on SnipersHide about TBAC.
@@jimothy-johnson Jesus
Hi kevin 😂
The fix is very underwhelming. I had a 308 and no longer own it. Now the mini fix is tits. Certainly still not worth 3k though. Got mine for 2000 used which id say is so still high but reasonable. The fit should come with a proof barrel from the start for 3k total
@@chuboiandrew bro I agree I bet the mini fix in 6arc or 22arc could be very cool.
Those are some pretty good responses. You could/should have just sent it back man.
I did, it wasn’t fixed. So it’s gone. IMO if you clearly state your legitimate issues with something and do the diligence to send it in for RMA, it should come back fixed. I went the route I did to show the CS side (which was great). But the performance wasn’t there.
@@possum__puncher No I meant I would have taken the refund. This comment was made right before you talked about your trade but right after you talked about telling them the gun still sucks. The first comment was made right after your boy said that the rifle still sucks.
Honest video
@@BlackDogOriginal thank you sir
I dont know. It seems like you are expecting a field rifle to be a bench rifle. Never in my life have I ever seen or heard about anyone showing up to a PRS or FClass match with a Q Fix. Even Q told you the best it would do was an inch, why would you expect better than that? I dont see what the issue is here other than you think its too expensive.
@@L0NGRNGE lol no I don’t expect a 16” 6.5 to be bench or f-class but it should should at least as good as guns that cost 1/2 as much. They didn’t say what their accuracy standard exactly was, and I imagine don’t on purpose, but they said they shipped me a barrel that was in that standard, when I expressed what it was doing they tried to buy it back or replace it again. So clearly it wasn’t in standard. Expensive is fine. Just be worth it lol
@@possum__puncher I mean I get what you are saying, but the cost part is a whole other conversation. Performance wise, it's an inch gun. Just like every other factory gun out there. They sent you the gun back shooting an inch so seems to me that's what they define as good. To me, and sounds like you too, an inch won't cut it. Thus a Q fix should have been avoided in the first place. It's a factory field rifle w/nice fit and finish so the price is elevated. I dont think you will find a half-inch and certainly not a quarter inch gun for less than $5K. I heard you say you have some factory guns that print .25" all day, and I just dont believe that. Your buddy shooting x47 may very well have one, but he aint shooting factory ammo and its probably a custom rifle (I dont know anyone who chambers 6x47 in a factory gun and zero people make ammo for it). 6x47 is what I shoot, and it will print dots, not blobs, all day, but it is a $12K gun all-in.
Probably the most astute comment on here, although if I’m being honest I can see both sides of the argument. Ultimately they could not get the stated accuracy from the gun and for its price it should be able to at least do that, however your probably right @L0NGRNGE, even that would not been sufficient. I think the cost/result was just never going to be there and I think it worked out best for both parties.
@@L0NGRNGE that’s the problem, it wasn’t even an inch gun.
@@possum__puncher I absolutely agree, it should shoot an inch. Any sort of serious offering these days should shoot an inch with factory match ammo regardless of cost.
thanks for the video.
Absolutely!
Shooting 143eldx .5moa 5 shot groups with my sig cross all day. Maybe its the rearden mount and not Q can 😂
@@ethcar 🤣
this man obviously doesn't know the purpose of this rifle or its components.
@@taylorbott3320 totally, it really shines at the light and can’t shoot category.
I had the same issue. Did you try another optic
I did, Arken, Leupold, nightforce. It wasn’t the optic. Would’ve been an easy fix if it was though!
New to the channel, what are the rifles on the wall?
@@stibs1578 hell yeah, thanks for swinging by, Seekins NRL in 6.5 and IWI spr
My customer service experience with them was terrible
Someone like me would have not got that same response lol
Well. I will never have to worry about this situation 😂🎉. Ain’t paying that dough for no rifle. 😂🎉. Of course I build my own anyways. Ain’t rocket science. Under one moa. Meh my ruger that’s over 30 years old does that. 😂. Not ragging ya much but dang what a waste of money that rifle was🎉
Does your buddy who bought it and spin barrels make any that are available to purchase? I've seen some wild groups with my Fix in 308 just going up and down in bullet weight. I have the 6.5 and 8.6 barrels but haven't swapped over to them yet...
@@benmarov6476 I will ask and comment back tomorrow. I know he has the blanks but Ill have to check in the extensions
@@possum__puncheryo side note - I shot them a message and they ghosted me haha. I’ve got money and an extension! Would love to get a barrel going from them.
@@klajoye481 hmmm, I’ll check in and see what the word is. Shoot them an instagram dm
@@possum__puncher the outlier plug 😂🤌🏼 thanks man.
@@possum__puncher Hey I realized I never followed up to see if you head anything back! Thanks!