YES, racism . IF all the victims were white and English he would have different reaction. He makes great claims about his charity work and how he is Christian but does not know the story of the Good Samaritan.
@@raphaelandrews3617 I believe Mr Grant is Scottish, not English. I don't know whether that would change your beliefs about what he would or wouldn't have done.
I can't help but feel that Mr Grant is the real victim in all of this. Having to write a brief statement about his part in sending innocent people to prison, ruining reputations and lives, must've put quite a damper on his Xmas. Oh, the humanity...
"I haven't had any time to review the case. I've never seen the evidential documents. I can't remember what happened 16 years ago. But I still want to make it a matter of public record that I think the Postmaster is guilty anyway."
So let me get this straight. He’s saying he wasn’t incorrect then and he’s not incorrect now. He’s only attending the enquiry, as he was legally forced to… and his time would be better spent walking some dogs and making sure carols are sang at Christmas.
I think that this man should not be involved in providing any "help" to any vulnerable people. He appears to have little or no empathy for the common man. And no understanding in the role he played in this sorry state of affairs.
He has zero law enforcement training, but he has the ego to presume he is able to deduce someone has committed an offence. People who are guilty are adjudicated innocent all the time and vice versa. It does not change the tapestry of reality. This man acted as judge jury and executioner and now is responsible for the safety and care of people with nothing... This doesnt sit well with me.
So, Is the word "sorry" the new way to avoid a criminal conviction and jail time?.I doubt if the post master said Sorry. For something they didn't even do, if this wld habe meant no jail time or no fines and no lives being ruined?.
What a total despicable person who went on to say that the PO had let them down and the postmaster/mistress but was happy to say earlier that he still believes the postmaster he investigated was still guilty, even over he was later cleared.
Another evangelical Christian boasting about his righteousness to anyone who would listen but has a cruel, wicked, black heart. No empathy, no sympathy, no compassion. Despicable human being.
This guy was negligent in his investigation. He failed in his responsibility to investigate ALL aspects of how the the shortages had occurred. As we now know there were glitches in the Horizon computer systems with the effect that ALL SPMs were wrongly convicted of taking money when in fact it was the glitches that “took” the money. All his evidence is tainted by his and the PO’s failure to investigate what in fact the PO and Fujitsu have known for many many years.
The recurring theme, is one of a very fractured organisation where just enough was the amount of effort expended by just about everyone who has been interviewed thus far
Yet another humble bragging Christian who seems to think simply labeling as religious will distract from his fundamental lack of ethics and morality. A lack that isn't just historical but manifests to this day in his misdirection of guilt up the chain and lack of respect for the court and his obligations to it.
Classic... The conflicted statements: * I am convinced the person who is acquitted is still guilty * Yet I was lied to and did not have all the information And then the effort to paint himself as a 'victim' via fake emotions: * I want to take this time to offer my sympathies to all involved * This isn't easy for me and my family either The arrogance and sociopath tendencies are rife with this sorry excuse for a human being...
he seems to be part of a bigger group of sorry excuses So far from what ive watched there has only been one witness i can believe and thats the whistle blower. the rest can rot in jail
This guy starts off excusing himself from clearly his higher responsibilities by professing his dedication to his present involvement with his work with homeless people. Not forgetting to tell the enquiry of it's religious connections and his personal dedication to these people and the personal dignity they deserve. Listening to some of his answers to questions put to him by Mr Beer raises some question of hypocrisy as well as an air of victimhood
My role is to ensure that they get the level of respect and dignity they deserve 😂 based on his past track record and his thoughts that they are still guilty this guy doesn’t have a clue what is respect and dignity.
Doing a Pontius Pilate in my opinion! Washing his hands over his own deeds, but still sending an innocent person to be crucified, and still saying that the postmaster was guilty. If I had any inclination to be religious, this guy would change my mind in an instant!
First question, was the money actually lost? If the money didn't exist which seems to be mostly the case then no money has been lost. Two, how on earth could anyone know if there was a shortfall if the system was duplicating and miscounting transactions left, right, and center. Third and final question, why would a subpostmaster steal large amounts of money, keep going to work, delcaring their accounts every Wednesday, knowing that they're accountable for putting it back? None of this makes sense and should have been a huge red flag which it was but sadly was covered up.
A complex system and bugs are guaranteed, but I’ve seen more due diligence from non-profit managers. It’s very difficult to picture a case where this just happened by accident, dynamics, whatever.
All good points. I find it hard to understand how an investigation leading to a prosecution could be made without the money being missing or traceable. Given how many cases were brought without such evidence one would have imagined the question had to be asked. This just shows what a culture of thuggery existed in the post office. As an aside, that so many of these so called Christians were happy to cover all this up and even now are keen to exonerate themselves says much about the emptiness of their religious beliefs.
Yes, that is to me the most extraordinary point, in no case was a stash of cash, a lump of gold, a big bank account, or a new Mercedes found to have mysteriously appeared. To any intelligent investigator that would cast doubt on these cases, but having seen the standard of the investigators and the management, intelligence is not a common attribute of these people - no wonder the Post Office has been in steep decline for years.
His "giving his residents the dignity and respect they deserve" put the shivers up me. I hope someone does a swift inspection of his "Christian" care home.
He betrays his arrogant and cruel character, which no doubt he applied with full force to his persecution of innocent postmasters. No genuine remorse, no empathy, no personal responsibility, just deflection and self pity. And trying to excuse his dismissive attitude to the enquiry by claiming his valuable time was taken up with Christian endeavours just proves the old maxim, there is nothing more cruel than Christian love. What an horrible excuse for a human being.
He such a caring man for his residents ensuring their Christmas was perfect rather than reflecting on the innocent lives he personally destroyed. Such Christian values
A very enlightening and revealing picture of the latent aggressive behaviour of this individual. Any investigator worth his salt would and should have known that there were issues with the system. Blaming everyone else and had to be compelled to attend. Says it all really
Thats the PO's way Vennells set this example herself many times even when asked by parliment why she won't make information available to the Second Sight investigation
He seems like the kind of investigator who knows that if the computer says money is missing, a crime has been committed, and he shouldn’t be distracted by irrelevances such as thousands of post masters complaining that the system was full of bugs. When on Earth are these people going to realise that this whole thing occurred, not because they were misled by this ‘post office’ entity, or Horizon, but because they were too effing arrogant. He is not a victim.
This contemptible individual has the arrogance to not only challenge the authority of this inquiry having to be to be forced into attending after almost not bothering to provide a witness staement, but still has the sheer temerity of claiming a man rightly aquitted of any wrongdoing by a court of law is still guilty. These people need to be convicted of contempt.
I find it outrageous that a man found not guilty can still be said to be guilty. If Grant is still employed he should be sacked. Defamation of character claim. Make him bankrupt? Maybe he may change his mind.
He showing disdain at the idea he has to turn up with threat of legal repercussions if he didn't but that's all he did in his job. Put pressure on people to explain their actions under threat of legal repercussions.
Why did he keep saying it was a Christian organisation? How is that in any way significant? A man died before he could clear his name, and Mr Grant quite simply couldn't be arsed to do the work necessary.
Dude seems to be saying that it's only a short statement because he was forced to make a statement. In other words, they should be lucky that he even did that.
Having watched quite a few of these sessions, the thing that strikes me is the total lack of morality of these people. They have wrecked hundreds of lives with their lies and deceit and don't give a damn. All their interested in is covering their own backsides. I have never seen so many sociopaths in one place at one time.
This, right here, is the embodiment of the arrogance and malevolence that's been allowed to fester within the post office. This man is a disgrace on every possible level.
Were this investigators trained from the Gestapo prosecution Codebook? The fact that their houses, bedroom drawers , 5:47 cars and bank accounts were forcibly searched before any charges were laid makes one wonder.
If he really is running a homeless shelter then I doubt he's doing it out of tthe goodness of his heart, just doesn't seem that sort of chap. So, what is his true motivation?
From all the investigations I've watched, so far, it seems all the staff were very poorly trained, didn't understand the law, shirked their responsibilities, were, and still are, prepared to tow the party line, had very low morals, and no respect for honesty and truth. Also no conscience regarding the pain and suffering they were personally causing. I would guess that the Post Office probably terminated employment contracts for anyone who had higher intellect and morality, or who even suggested that something was blatantly wrong. All those I've watched, still cannot see, understand, or wish to admit that their working practices were either naive, or corrupt.
I reckon the Salvation Army donations are going to decrease significantly. I would not give a penny which might go into this man's pocket. What a complete excusefor z human being.
He's scared they're going to make him pay back the bonuses he got for falsely accusing people. He willfully ignored any evidence that the software wasn't working.
Q. Have the Post Office put up a HONEST person yet because I have not seen one? All Bonus Payments to these criminals at the Post Office and any bonus from 2008 onwards should be recovered. Why, it was obtained by Fraud.
What an incredibly self serving person, says that he thinks that the convictions were correct and that the post master stole from the post office to try and justify his actions at the time , and then ends by saying that the post office 'mis led' the employees and most importantly 'obviously' himself as a way of shifting the blame now ,,,,, just an awful person..
Mr Grant: I didn't have time to write answers to the enquiry's questions. also Mr Grant: I did have time to write this speech about how I too am a victim.
He doesn't want to be there . Those postmaster and postmistress can go to hell as far as he concerned, and his end statement is full of it prison time awaits hopefully
Love the fact that Raymond Grant spends/wastes a lot of time listing all the existing commitments he's signed up to which he couldn't put down to prepare for this inquiry only for the Kings Counsel to say that, well, actually, they were chasing him for a while and in the end had to server a section 21 notice on him to compel him to turn up.
In answer to the question about an "otherwise dishonest" deceased, this witness defamed ( but legally that has no status). Nevertheless, he should NEVER have defamed the former postmaster .......it only makes witness look and sound vindictive and arrogant.
So, he feels enough time has passed for him to be unclear of exactly what transpired 16 years ago but today, he remains convinced of this person's guilt. Like all the investigators in this callous miscarriage of Justice, none of them are prepared to admit their own guilt! Every one of them needs to receive the same punishment that was handed out or caused to the victims. Bankruptcy, Loss of business, Loss of home, Marriage breakdown, Loss of freedom (Prison). As a 'so called' Christian!!!! This man should know, 'What he sows he can expect to reap'.
It boggles the mind that in all the cases of these postmasters that were tried and convicted, or accepted plea deals under threats of jail, not one investigator thought to ascertain, " where is the money?". Some of these sums generated by the fallible Horizon system were staggering, in the hundreds of thousands in some cases. If that were an actual tangible loss, where was it? Where was the extravagant lifestyles, the new cars, the paid-off mortgages, the offshore bank accounts and why, all of a sudden, when previously, cases of postmasters with their hands in the till were few and far between, was there a sudden epidemic of alleged fraud and theft when the Horizon system was rolled out and why didn't anyone think to question the timing? It just beggars belief that this was allowed to happen.
The overriding impression one has of the inquiry interviews so far is of no remorse whatsoever on the part of those instrumental in this gross injustice, which resulted in the ruin of so many innocent people and even the deaths of several. The standard line is the witnesses can’t recall, or are effectively hiding behind incompetence or negligence as a justification of how they acted or failed to act. The inquiry must be followed by actions that will lead to prosecution of those responsible.
I am impressed by his level of sheer arrogance and utter contempt for these proceedings.
YES, racism . IF all the victims were white and English he would have different reaction. He makes great claims about his charity work and how he is Christian but does not know the story of the Good Samaritan.
This guy should be investigated for perjury harping on about his charity work that's a guilt complex ,dog
@@raphaelandrews3617 I believe Mr Grant is Scottish, not English. I don't know whether that would change your beliefs about what he would or wouldn't have done.
He represents a poor example of Scotland.
He will most probably be sued by William Quarm and taught a lesson !
I love that: 'now carol services and dog-walking are out of the way.' Brilliant!
He's brilliant isn't he?
Best line ever.
I love the quick=witted snark from Mr Beer KC
He's trying to highlight his so-called Christianity
That is god level shade
No shame or empathy for the real victims of injustice
But he apologised at the end and seemed sincere.
@@NigelCopy Seemed.
@@NigelCopy He's about as genuine as Geri Halliwell's ginger hair!
Moron@@NigelCopy
I can't help but feel that Mr Grant is the real victim in all of this. Having to write a brief statement about his part in sending innocent people to prison, ruining reputations and lives, must've put quite a damper on his Xmas.
Oh, the humanity...
So true. I see it too.
On another note I’d hate to be in his Christian care home when some teabags go missing
Indeed. Yet his weeping pleas about his upstanding religious morality do concern me. It appears that God doesn't particularly like him
😂 Lol
@@carlosgregorius9419 😆
Hilarious 😂!!
I'd like to say I think Mr. Grant had a role in the theft of funds from the sub-postmasters and the subsequent cover up.
"I haven't had any time to review the case. I've never seen the evidential documents. I can't remember what happened 16 years ago. But I still want to make it a matter of public record that I think the Postmaster is guilty anyway."
Yes, this!
Well summed up, shocking!
So let me get this straight. He’s saying he wasn’t incorrect then and he’s not incorrect now. He’s only attending the enquiry, as he was legally forced to… and his time would be better spent walking some dogs and making sure carols are sang at Christmas.
. Incredulous
I think that this man should not be involved in providing any "help" to any vulnerable people. He appears to have little or no empathy for the common man. And no understanding in the role he played in this sorry state of affairs.
He shouldn’t be anywhere near anyone let alone the vulnerable in society. Compassion is not his strong point.
He has zero law enforcement training, but he has the ego to presume he is able to deduce someone has committed an offence. People who are guilty are adjudicated innocent all the time and vice versa. It does not change the tapestry of reality. This man acted as judge jury and executioner and now is responsible for the safety and care of people with nothing...
This doesnt sit well with me.
This man should be sued and thrown in jail
Yes
Should be, but won't be. They'll all get away with it and it'll be tied up as "something we must learn from in the future".
I dont know I think some of these lower down managers might end up in jail@@josephkerrigan733
Indeed, and that will cost us dearly. @@josephkerrigan733
So, Is the word "sorry" the new way to avoid a criminal conviction and jail time?.I doubt if the post master said Sorry. For something they didn't even do, if this wld habe meant no jail time or no fines and no lives being ruined?.
Such arrogance should be rewarded with a brief spell of jail time, for contempt of court.
i disagree it needs to be a long stay.
This is not a court proceeding.
He’s only sorry he’s been exposed and then forcibly held to account in this hearing.
agreed
Does Mr. Grant think he himself should be in prison after what he has done? I do!!!
What an arrogant weasel... Only complying with the court and inquiry because he was forced to
What a total despicable person who went on to say that the PO had let them down and the postmaster/mistress but was happy to say earlier that he still believes the postmaster he investigated was still guilty, even over he was later cleared.
Calling himself a Christain what a load of rubbish total hogwash.
Just an excuse to get out of appearing. Backfired when the sheriffs knocked on his door.
As we’ve seen time and time again: Christian ≠ good. People can do good and bad things regardless of their beliefs.
Look at Paula Vennels she's a Pastor..wtaf.. I always find the dodgy ones are dropping religious vibes
They are all deceivers, and their actions will return to them; this is known as karma.
Another evangelical Christian boasting about his righteousness to anyone who would listen but has a cruel, wicked, black heart. No empathy, no sympathy, no compassion. Despicable human being.
This man wants to be excused because he as to much on and he is a christian but did he give the postmasters the same dignity,NO.Shame on him.
He needs to be charged and put in jail!
This guy was negligent in his investigation. He failed in his responsibility to investigate ALL aspects of how the the shortages had occurred. As we now know there were glitches in the Horizon computer systems with the effect that ALL SPMs were wrongly convicted of taking money when in fact it was the glitches that “took” the money. All his evidence is tainted by his and the PO’s failure to investigate what in fact the PO and Fujitsu have known for many many years.
of course he didnt do all aspects of the investigations if he had he would have lost his bonus payout
The recurring theme, is one of a very fractured organisation where just enough was the amount of effort expended by just about everyone who has been interviewed thus far
But he still thinks the postmaster is guilty...his "opinion" is better than the supreme courts judgment ....amazing logic
Gross negligence and incompetence by the investigators
Self-serving personal statement. No remorse for his flawed actions to convict people.
Yet another humble bragging Christian who seems to think simply labeling as religious will distract from his fundamental lack of ethics and morality.
A lack that isn't just historical but manifests to this day in his misdirection of guilt up the chain and lack of respect for the court and his obligations to it.
The level of disconnect with ‘dirty deeds’ is entirely consistent with Christian behaviour
@@34pessimistic 4 out of the 5 Christians I knew all spent a period of time at her majesties pleasure
Time for arrests of those involved in the cover up/deception.
They know no shame.
the arrogance of this man is astonishing!
Imagine that - being forced to answer questions about your conduct that sent people to prison.
Yes and not giving 2 hoots about it ..none of these morons show any sign of emotion at all
Classic...
The conflicted statements:
* I am convinced the person who is acquitted is still guilty
* Yet I was lied to and did not have all the information
And then the effort to paint himself as a 'victim' via fake emotions:
* I want to take this time to offer my sympathies to all involved
* This isn't easy for me and my family either
The arrogance and sociopath tendencies are rife with this sorry excuse for a human being...
Truly noxious.
he seems to be part of a bigger group of sorry excuses So far from what ive watched there has only been one witness i can believe and thats the whistle blower. the rest can rot in jail
Check his bank 😬
Poor poor man. Image he was awestruck when Sheriff's officers turned up at hid door
We know from testimony how the sub-post office masters felt when POL knocked on their door to find "evidence"
This guy starts off excusing himself from clearly his higher responsibilities by professing his dedication to his present involvement with his work with homeless people. Not forgetting to tell the enquiry of it's religious connections and his personal dedication to these people and the personal dignity they deserve.
Listening to some of his answers to questions put to him by Mr Beer raises some question of hypocrisy as well as an air of victimhood
Yeah and the dog ate his homework etc etc
My role is to ensure that they get the level of respect and dignity they deserve 😂 based on his past track record and his thoughts that they are still guilty this guy doesn’t have a clue what is respect and dignity.
Doing a Pontius Pilate in my opinion! Washing his hands over his own deeds, but still sending an innocent person to be crucified, and still saying that the postmaster was guilty.
If I had any inclination to be religious, this guy would change my mind in an instant!
This bloke is a complete wrong un......
but he loves jesus
First question, was the money actually lost? If the money didn't exist which seems to be mostly the case then no money has been lost. Two, how on earth could anyone know if there was a shortfall if the system was duplicating and miscounting transactions left, right, and center. Third and final question, why would a subpostmaster steal large amounts of money, keep going to work, delcaring their accounts every Wednesday, knowing that they're accountable for putting it back? None of this makes sense and should have been a huge red flag which it was but sadly was covered up.
I think the same. The investigators just thought they were guilt regardless of any firm evidence.
A complex system and bugs are guaranteed, but I’ve seen more due diligence from non-profit managers. It’s very difficult to picture a case where this just happened by accident, dynamics, whatever.
The post office could never prove theft in any of the cases they brought to court they got there guilty pleas by threats of jail
All good points. I find it hard to understand how an investigation leading to a prosecution could be made without the money being missing or traceable. Given how many cases were brought without such evidence one would have imagined the question had to be asked. This just shows what a culture of thuggery existed in the post office. As an aside, that so many of these so called Christians were happy to cover all this up and even now are keen to exonerate themselves says much about the emptiness of their religious beliefs.
Yes, that is to me the most extraordinary point, in no case was a stash of cash, a lump of gold, a big bank account, or a new Mercedes found to have mysteriously appeared. To any intelligent investigator that would cast doubt on these cases, but having seen the standard of the investigators and the management, intelligence is not a common attribute of these people - no wonder the Post Office has been in steep decline for years.
People will only learn if there are significant consequences and that is jail.
Jail doesn't seem to be a happening thing any time soon.
i would be surprised if any will get jail time
His "giving his residents the dignity and respect they deserve" put the shivers up me. I hope someone does a swift inspection of his "Christian" care home.
He betrays his arrogant and cruel character, which no doubt he applied with full force to his persecution of innocent postmasters. No genuine remorse, no empathy, no personal responsibility, just deflection and self pity. And trying to excuse his dismissive attitude to the enquiry by claiming his valuable time was taken up with Christian endeavours just proves the old maxim, there is nothing more cruel than Christian love. What an horrible excuse for a human being.
The whole experience was so upsetting for Mr Grant, he’s the real victim apparently, never mind the people who lost their freedom and good name.
He such a caring man for his residents ensuring their Christmas was perfect rather than reflecting on the innocent lives he personally destroyed. Such Christian values
Put Grant in jail....lies upon lies upon lies
A very enlightening and revealing picture of the latent aggressive behaviour of this individual. Any investigator worth his salt would and should have known that there were issues with the system. Blaming everyone else and had to be compelled to attend. Says it all really
What an arrogant indiviual. How dare he say he was reluctant to answer questions for the inquiry. So typical of Post Office management.
Thats the PO's way Vennells set this example herself many times even when asked by parliment why she won't make information available to the Second Sight investigation
He seems like the kind of investigator who knows that if the computer says money is missing, a crime has been committed, and he shouldn’t be distracted by irrelevances such as thousands of post masters complaining that the system was full of bugs. When on Earth are these people going to realise that this whole thing occurred, not because they were misled by this ‘post office’ entity, or Horizon, but because they were too effing arrogant. He is not a victim.
Shocking
I wonder how many more "devout" Christians are involved in this scandal
Paula Vennels ?
I mean, given their track record, they're probably all lying about being Christians too....
This contemptible individual has the arrogance to not only challenge the authority of this inquiry having to be to be forced into attending after almost not bothering to provide a witness staement, but still has the sheer temerity of claiming a man rightly aquitted of any wrongdoing by a court of law is still guilty. These people need to be convicted of contempt.
This man should be in jail!!!
Yes
How long before "I was just following orders"? We heard that in the 1940s.
I find it outrageous that a man found not guilty can still be said to be guilty. If Grant is still employed he should be sacked. Defamation of character claim. Make him bankrupt? Maybe he may change his mind.
Ive got one word to describe Mr Grant - Hypocrite
A very good example of the mind set of The PO senior staff. Appalling attitude.
He showing disdain at the idea he has to turn up with threat of legal repercussions if he didn't but that's all he did in his job. Put pressure on people to explain their actions under threat of legal repercussions.
Why did he keep saying it was a Christian organisation? How is that in any way significant? A man died before he could clear his name, and Mr Grant quite simply couldn't be arsed to do the work necessary.
The arrogant gall of that man
This man is vile.
Dude seems to be saying that it's only a short statement because he was forced to make a statement. In other words, they should be lucky that he even did that.
Poor man. He's so upset because people questioned him. Imagine what would happen if he were thrown prison for nothing.
The calibre of the investigators says a lot …
Having watched quite a few of these sessions, the thing that strikes me is the total lack of morality of these people. They have wrecked hundreds of lives with their lies and deceit and don't give a damn. All their interested in is covering their own backsides. I have never seen so many sociopaths in one place at one time.
Just "Wow". I'm struggling to find the words for the "poor me" and arrogance on display here. I so hope that his carol services went well.
This, right here, is the embodiment of the arrogance and malevolence that's been allowed to fester within the post office. This man is a disgrace on every possible level.
Another “ not me gov” defence 😊
He made a statement at the end saying the outcome of the enquiry, the inquiry hasn't reached its outcome yet.
"Now that Carol services and dog walking are out of the way" that was almost brutal in its sarcasm.
Were this investigators trained from the Gestapo prosecution Codebook? The fact that their houses, bedroom drawers , 5:47 cars and bank accounts were forcibly searched before any charges were laid makes one wonder.
If he really is running a homeless shelter then I doubt he's doing it out of tthe goodness of his heart, just doesn't seem that sort of chap. So, what is his true motivation?
Vulnerable sphincters.
@@acm1137lmao. And I bet that’s actually it.
@@acm1137😂. So wrong…😂
He was about to say “the ultimate responsibility belongs with the Post Office” and then gauged it wouldn’t be smart.
pulling out the I'M a good Christian card. FFS this guy is pure evil
Zero sympathy for this self-righteousness arrogant individual. He needs to be doing jail time.
From all the investigations I've watched, so far, it seems all the staff were very poorly trained, didn't understand the law, shirked their responsibilities, were, and still are, prepared to tow the party line, had very low morals, and no respect for honesty and truth.
Also no conscience regarding the pain and suffering they were personally causing.
I would guess that the Post Office probably terminated employment contracts for anyone who had higher intellect and morality, or who even suggested that something was blatantly wrong.
All those I've watched, still cannot see, understand, or wish to admit that their working practices were either naive, or corrupt.
I reckon the Salvation Army donations are going to decrease significantly. I would not give a penny which might go into this man's pocket. What a complete excusefor z human being.
Hmm, what have these people got in common ? Religion ! Same as the former Chief Exec.
it's not like the church has never covered things up is it?
He's scared they're going to make him pay back the bonuses he got for falsely accusing people. He willfully ignored any evidence that the software wasn't working.
This is all about trying to win sympathy for himself, not about the victims. I laughed out loud at 3:26 - loved the sarcasm of the KC.
Q. Have the Post Office put up a HONEST person yet because I have not seen one? All Bonus Payments to these criminals at the Post Office and any bonus from 2008 onwards should be recovered. Why, it was obtained by Fraud.
He us humbly sorry yet he still thinks the postmaster was guiity? He would need evidence to claim that.
HE is everything about The Post Office's Attitude & Exactly WHY This Enquiry is Necessary
What an incredibly self serving person, says that he thinks that the convictions were correct and that the post master stole from the post office to try and justify his actions at the time , and then ends by saying that the post office 'mis led' the employees and most importantly 'obviously' himself as a way of shifting the blame now ,,,,, just an awful person..
Mr Grant: I didn't have time to write answers to the enquiry's questions.
also Mr Grant: I did have time to write this speech about how I too am a victim.
"I work with homeless people. They aren't homeless when I first meet them, but I make sure they become homeless."
I wonder if the investigating officer will still believe Mr Grant was complicit and a liar regarding the false PO convictions when he's in jail?
where ever he is working they want to get rid of him
All these people involved in this scandal should be jailed
yet at the end apologises and cries as if hes the victim
Crocodile tears
People like that always do.
Shocking
Echoes of ''It was not me. I was only obeying orders.''
He doesn't want to be there . Those postmaster and postmistress can go to hell as far as he concerned, and his end statement is full of it prison time awaits hopefully
Love the fact that Raymond Grant spends/wastes a lot of time listing all the existing commitments he's signed up to which he couldn't put down to prepare for this inquiry only for the Kings Counsel to say that, well, actually, they were chasing him for a while and in the end had to server a section 21 notice on him to compel him to turn up.
Seems clear that PO management are responsible and criminal charges necessary or it’s further undermining the law.
3:23 Good on ya KC Beer. As for Grant`s "apology" at 5:18 all I can say is far too little, far too late.
Straight to jail for this one
Contempt, complete contempt towards him and he towards the enquirey.
In answer to the question about an "otherwise dishonest" deceased, this witness defamed ( but legally that has no status). Nevertheless, he should NEVER have defamed the former postmaster .......it only makes witness look and sound vindictive and arrogant.
So, he feels enough time has passed for him to be unclear of exactly what transpired 16 years ago but today, he remains convinced of this person's guilt. Like all the investigators in this callous miscarriage of Justice, none of them are prepared to admit their own guilt! Every one of them needs to receive the same punishment that was handed out or caused to the victims. Bankruptcy, Loss of business, Loss of home, Marriage breakdown, Loss of freedom (Prison). As a 'so called' Christian!!!! This man should know, 'What he sows he can expect to reap'.
It boggles the mind that in all the cases of these postmasters that were tried and convicted, or accepted plea deals under threats of jail, not one investigator thought to ascertain, " where is the money?". Some of these sums generated by the fallible Horizon system were staggering, in the hundreds of thousands in some cases. If that were an actual tangible loss, where was it? Where was the extravagant lifestyles, the new cars, the paid-off mortgages, the offshore bank accounts and why, all of a sudden, when previously, cases of postmasters with their hands in the till were few and far between, was there a sudden epidemic of alleged fraud and theft when the Horizon system was rolled out and why didn't anyone think to question the timing? It just beggars belief that this was allowed to happen.
He has to be the most unsympathetic witness ever to be interrogated at a public inquiry. It’s almost like a spoof it’s so bad.
Talking about a level of respect and dignity.... 😡
First person directly involved I’ve heard say sorry! But still not willing to take responsibility. Shame!!
The overriding impression one has of the inquiry interviews so far is of no remorse whatsoever on the part of those instrumental in this gross injustice, which resulted in the ruin of so many innocent people and even the deaths of several. The standard line is the witnesses can’t recall, or are effectively hiding behind incompetence or negligence as a justification of how they acted or failed to act. The inquiry must be followed by actions that will lead to prosecution of those responsible.
For his part in it, he should be jailed. For Knowingly and fraudulently convicting innocent hard working people
Wow!!!! Incredulous
He expects understanding and compassion but didn’t give it to others
Very very very guilty so guilty very super guilty no good no good