Ian Hislop embarrasses MPs in their own select committee on lobbying and transparency
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2022
- Ian Hislop, Solomon Hughes and Richard Brooks of Private Eye attended the parliamentary select committee on standards to give evidence today.
Proceedings became combative and at times cringeworthy as the journalists began reading out the MPs', who were meant to be asking the questions, own registers of interest as examples of the lack of transparency in British politics.
Tories Sir Bernard Jenkin and Alberto Costa both seemed quite distressed.
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Yeah had a good laugh at it. Cheers Joe. Keep it up.
GREED
all the love in the world boys & girls
can you not just post the full unedited session..?
As a manager in a utility energy distribution company in charge of projects, I have to repeatedly each year pass educational training courses on anti corruption and bribery, fair ethics in the work place, data protection and inclusiveness & anti bullying and anti bias against minorities.
1, I get the training and become fully educated on how to conduct myself while carrying my role,
2, I have to pass the same set of courses each year so there is no excuse for not knowing the relevant laws and rules.
3, if I break any of these rules and laws I am guilty bang to rights and fully accountable for my actions.
*I find it incredulous that anyone in government office is not required to do the same*
Alberto Costa made a robust, did I say robust, say that again, robust... prat of himself. Did he think he was in court or just wanted to impress us with his legal credentials? Absolutely no match for Ian Hislop.
What an absolute tool
So many words, nothing said
hard to watch such moronic pomposity
Why is he not representing a Scottish constituency? Would you see an English man or woman in the Scottish Parliament or Welsh Assembly??
@@randyschwaggins Well he lives in England.
Here's a crazy idea, how about banning MPs from receiving gifts? And banning them from second jobs? If they have time for a second job then frankly they aren't working hard enough for their £80k.
don't forget the other £200k they can claim on expenses
Let's ban them from breathing
I think politicians should be held to a much higher degree of disdain than they're currently held in; they're finding it all too easy to profiteer from being an MP. What is preventing anti-lobbying laws and the rules from actually being implemented, and why can't we currently get these law-breaking MPs out of power?
I think it's an affront to a democracy, since right now there is no easy way for an MP who breaks the rules to be put up to an election and lose the constituency. I would absolutely make that a law - break the rules (with evidence, I'm not a savage) and be set to metaphorically hang
Yup. Like anything over a certain value in literally any other job could be counted as a bribe, and could result in you losing your job. That's especially true if you have security clearance
@@thefreebooter8816 The degree of disdain is definitely there. In fact, the level of disdain is so high and fundamentally ingrained in the general public that most people have become completely apathetic in the entire democratic process. "Oh, the Tories are corrupt? Well, no surprise there. All the politicians are the same, so I'll keep voting for them anyway." If they actually bother to vote in the first place.
In a democracy, you won't see productive, unbiased and inspirational politicians if the general public keeps an extremely low bar for them. It's hard when the choices are so poor, but if more people cared, there would be better MPs.
I’m a nurse, and anything beyond a box of chocolates for the team is either turned down or redirected through hospital management. We wouldn’t ever even consider taking a gift in exchange for, say, a side room for a patient. Would love to see these ethics being adopted by the people who run our country.
When I had to have a small operation in a day ward, I had a few there so I took them a tin of chocolate for the ward staff, it was in the COVID time, and it was to say thank you to all the staff who look after to me.
It wasn’t to gain favour, because they where brilliant without the gift.
All NHS staff are brilliant,
Thank you
Same when I worked as an employee at the council, we had to turn down everything offered no matter how meagre.
So true, when I was nursing, about 20 years ago now , I had a patients relative insist on giving me £50 for just doing my job but he saw it as something special about the care I gave to his relative all in I kept trying to refuse but he was literally forcing it into my hands and would have gone all over the floor if I hadn’t taken it! It was made more challenging as there was a little language barrier with the patients family as well.
In the end, I spoke to the ward manager and it was agreed it would go into the ward fund which benefitted patients and we got someone to translate this for the family so they knew, agreed and signed just so there were no issues later.
@@sleepingbear1889 you have standards. MPs have no shame.
@SassySam
Thankyou, the Hardest thing for me becoming disabled, was having to stop work . I absolutely loved what I did and miss it. Despite what government s try to suggests, not everybody who is disabled , would rather not work. Even if I only made a small difference in a persons life that day by giving them a smile, explaining something they didn’t understand, or just freshening them up a bit. Many people who work in health care today, I struggle to see why they are doing their job sadly. Many talk about the stresses and they are not rewarded for doing their job and I understand to a point, but they seem to understand the rewards you can get from patients if you deserve and treat them with respect. When they make progress, or smile, or just knowing you are making a difference in peoples lives. That may seem glib to some people but I think it still matters. There are some amazing healthcare people around, but way too many who should find a different job because they simply don’t care and they treat their patients pretty awfully.
Sorry, my little soap box moment. Something I am passionate about wanting to improve somehow if I can.
It makes me sick!
They all know that they are taking the piss and getting away with it, and they certainly will carry on if they are given the slightest chance! 😡
We certainly need to hold these terrible people to account.
Thank you Ian and team.
Lawyers are the worst. They are literally the problem.
Alberto Costa succeeded in thoroughly embarrassing himself.
All he wants is for MPs to do what they want without any oversight. He's basically wanting them to be able to be as corrupt as they like.
The **** is he blathering about
The guy is a muppet...
Yup, limited time to ask a question and get an answer. So blathering idiot takes up time and twiddles his twaddle in minutiae
Robust
One of the funniest and best ideas I've heard is that politicians should wear jackets with their sponsors on like in formula 1, so we can really know who we're voting for, if they're not comfortable putting it on a jacket, then they shouldn't be taking the money.
It was the late Robin Williams who originally said this
That is an excellent idea
HAAAAAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that would be so FUNNY.....YES....I think they should...I can picture it now.....
parliament would look like a snooker tournament
Perhaps the bigger the gift the bigger the logo.
Ian Hislop is a very intelligent and humorous and comes across as honest and genuine, it’s a great shame that the same can’t be said for all in parliament
Alberto Costa... a man who so obviously believes he's cleverer than he actually is
Ian took down his entire monologue in one short sentence. Brilliant.
Costa was trying so hard to be ‘robust’ he forgot his own point
He has the archetypal Glasgow Uni wanker voice
Yeap, he is so stupid he doesn’t know it.
Wouldn't trust him to wipe his own ass correctly
A pain in the hole
Ian proving he is exactly the guy I think he is. Good man.
Great description 😅 He's done a Hislop
Here here
Sits on a moral high ground and a political satirist…yes indeed
Edited from the Press 2016 and 2022
Here in continental Europe, Johnson and his clown show have been kept well out of the Ukraine loop for safety. You may remember Johnson's candid photo at Stansted airport after seeming to have slept in the Easy Jet baggage hold, on his return from his fourth attendance at the oligarch's favorite son's drug addled 'Russian Bonga Bonga' style party in 2016 at Lebedev's palace, which is "so camera'd up that shots can be take from ten angles at a time for "extra clarity" in Perugia where "everything is on the menu" and according to MI5,6,7,8 and 9 "all who attend are compromised by Putin's dubious friends"
It appears that in the corridors of Brussels, they haven't forgotten either. "We don't want Johnson, the scruffy liar, to spill the beans again to Putin in exchange for a further delay in publishing the "Italian Party Pictures in HD" regarding our actions and our help in Ukraine" said Ursula to Šefčovič, in fluent Polish.
Yes...... But no.
Ian and his team really are a credit to journalism...
Superb work 👌🏻
I'm glad we have people like Ian and his colleagues in the world. I wish we had more who could hold mps to account in this manner. Its a masterclass.
it really is. Him vs Patel was crazy
Alberto Costa sounds like a waffling manipulative fool. How on earth is he representing any constituent?!
Because they vote for a party, not a representative.
He's a lawyer - what do you expect!
@@SoYouThinkSo hahahaha you've got to be from his office mate, pasting this defence of Costa everywhere in this section. Go edit his wiki for flattery next (not that you can rely on that site for fact as the right hon costa once said), just make sure you've got your vpn on :)))
@@SoYouThinkSo i see you passed through the Alberta Costa school of Robust waffling with distinction
Sadly my MP
Well done Ian and friends There are MILLIONS behind you.
Millions 🙄
If only more of those millions bought Private Eye.
Ian Hislop is very great.
Millions? ? Is that you Diane Abbott?
The average English working class individual still seems to defer to the posh upper class (i.e. the tories) And the people that they defer to have absolutely no interest in the great unwashed. Doffing their hats is in their bloody genes! Revolt nowadays? So unfortunately, millions still want to be taken for fools and look up to their betters.
This why Ian Hislop and the Private Eye is a beacon of British values and human decency
Im so grateful for Ian, Richard and Solomon. These MP's are horrible to watch.
im sickened as ever that lobbying is still legal when it's plain for ANYONE to see that it's bribery.
The problem is we're governed by a set of numpties who rely on outside specialists to know which way is up.
Agreed, totally insane to me it's so openly used in America too. Even though money is always going to break conflict of interest for the area the government is supposed to serve and that's the public.
Alberto Costa is the one guy in every meeting you let warble for 5 minutes then promptly disregard what they said and move on. The man's a fool.
He's just deliberately wasting time with his "robust" and "process"
Bullshitter.
People actually voted for this clown, unbelievable.
That guy was waffling alot of shite, absolute twat
we are very lucky to have Ian Hislop fighting for our rights. Brilliant man
I like Ian Hislop. He simply tells it like it is. His frank approach and delivery tends to shock those whom are part of the "establishment". There are those whom have used the "system" to try to bring him down, but he ploughs on regardless. And good on him....
I'll second that!
Agreed! He’s always stuck his neck out.
That's a positive take. Why can't we have people fighting for our rights in political power?
Continuing the fight of the great Peter Cook don't forget.
Ian Hislop is an amazing orator. Straight to to the point, without pulling any punches
I have full respect for Ian Hislop, his team and the excellent work they do. If just 1% of MP's shared his integrity our country wouldn't be on it's arse.
Hislop is the most intelligent , literate and anti-corrupt person in the room - we need more like him . Remove lobbying & insider trading - Covid seems to have made MPs think they are invincible
Yes a great Liberal hero
I mean the sad thing is they're not even talking about removing lobbying but just being transparent about it and you can see how much push back even that faces from the mp's in the room.
Truly anti-corrupt people, NEVER feature endlessly on mainstream television, NO EXCEPTIONS! His role is to inspire hope - lap it up.
@@progressivedemagogue8480 I've never thought of Hislop as liberal or a Liberal. Small "c" conservative maybe.
@@progressivedemagogue8480 dunno bout that
Political satire magazine has to teach MPs about morality and integrity. Fuck my life.
Yes, and why do we need a satire magazine to tell us the real news?
^^^ this, 100% this.
Ridiculous isn't it.
Agreed.
Private Eye is part political satire part investigative journalism...
Ian is a legend. We need more people like this at the top of politics.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for MPs, civil servants, ministers , advisors , or anyone else involved in government, national or local, to be receiving any hospitality , gifts, entertainment, restaurant meals, orexpensive freebees of any sort. Why can't they be like doctors? They can get a cheap biro or a post it pad from the drug company and that's it.
If government officials need to meet with members of a company to discuss procurement or contracts let them do so at a properly minuted meeting at an official office, not at Wembley stadium, Newmarket or a fancy restaurant.
It’s actually unbelievable how badly all these MPs come across.
How terrible is Alberto Costa. Shames his fellow Scots.
@@RichardHunterGreenwich blew my mind. What an iredeemable shitbox of a human being, trying to cross examine people there in good faith to offer suggestions and information on corruption. Baffling.
@@jimmytumbles9640 they weren't there in good faith to offer suggestions and information. They were there to try and wriggle their way out of trouble
@@michaelharrison3602 he's talking about Hislop & Co.
@@RichardHunterGreenwich thats a right scottish name that!
This whole thing falls apart when the MPs are saying they need training on interpreting the rules they're creating.
Such hollow excuses -- i've worked in both public and private sector, heavily regulated industries ... i'm not a high ranking person in any company i worked... just one of the workers, i don;'t make decisions or have any influence into purchasing or major company trajectory -- but even i'm not permitted and have to seek approval for any perk above around a £25 value.
We're drilled into us about how even an give of around £100 value should be questioned as to why ..... we take courses annually mandatorily on this stuff... but yeah .. MP's don't think it's so important that a multi-billion pound company gives away a highly sought after world-cup ticket for "nothing" .... it's never for nothing or just to be friendly ... it's investment for the company ...but MP's claim to not understand this ... pull the other one .... more gaslighting by MP's towards the population
It doesn’t help when the prime minister says that they didn’t know something was against the rules that they created, because nobody told them 😅
@@highlightshadow THIS! we used to get boxes of chocs appear in the office, it would be because a random supplier had sent them with latest delivery of paper or something.. But the staff in purchases weren't allowed to take them." just in case ". So they'd get sent round the office.
Thats the mentality many companies have to work in. So why are mp's allowed to take 1500 quid trips and not have to be more explicit ? They're not that naïve.
The sad fact is the US system of lobbying by companies for personal interests has been happening in the UK. Watch the Aljazeera documentary on Israeli lobby and their episode the Takedown ie taking down a list of Mps who speak against Israel and speak up for Palestinians. Also boasting how they provide the script for how the issue should be addressed etc. The other most recent are contracts being awarded to friends, family of serving ministers with no checks.
Westminster: "Bribery is bad. Let's agree not to accept brides."
Also Westminster: "These rules are so confusing! What exactly is 'bribery' anyway?"
just imagine what a more horrible world we would live in without Ian Hislop and compatriots. Keep up the good work.
Not only are they corrupt, but they imply that people in all walks of life are just as corrupt. Bottomless arrogance.
They should all be kick out they make me sick
It's reassuring that there are still people like Ian Hislop at the top of public life.
Really? I find him miserable and very smug.
@@1Thedairy good for you, we can agree to disagree. I'm sure that you're a fan of someone who some of us don't like, (probably Clarkson) but who really cares? 🤦♀️😂
@@1Thedairy He speaks truth to power. Unlike you.
@@1Thedairy there is often a fine line between smug and correct. Hislop AND his journalists have time and again been correct so often over many years.
@@1Thedairy Your comment has not been received very well.
So so grateful for Ian hislop!!! So so glad he's going after this corruption.
His magazine calls out corruption, hubris & stupidity in public life every fortnight.
Ian Hislop is amazing. He really says what needs to be said and does not care about ruffling feathers. In this video, he is surrounded by some of the slimiest characters thinking they are smarter than him, but he always trumps them with solid facts.
I worked at a local authority for many years, and once put in 25 hours of my own time over the course of a month, to help a member of the public resolve an issue with regard to probate on their mother's property. They were grateful and bought me a little hamper with some biscuits and sweet treats... but it felt like more work just correctly declaring the gift, after various forms had been filled out, photographs taken and statements given (from both myself and the gift giver) all for some cheese and crackers!! How these MPs working for the very same government get away with accepting thousands of pounds worth of gifts without so much a second thought is nothing short of criminal.
Jesus Christ, Alberto Costa has to be one of the fluffiest and boring questioners in history. Whatever Kinder Egg law credentials he’s got aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. He totally embarrassed himself here!
I am gobsmacked, this is up there with Prince Andrew's interview for lack of self awareness.
Classic Dunning-Kruger effect. He's at the peak of mount stupid. Hopefully Ian knocked him towards the valley of despair.
Do a shot every time he says 'robust'
He thinks he's in a court room. One boring bastard
@@mrbtapir Can t. I would get alcohol poisoning.
Very well said, Ian. You are so right about the public being fed up with being taken for fools.
Sorry, you are just wrong. A very very large proportion of the English population will vote for them no matter what.
Only a few decent number of the public are fed up.
@@tariq_sharif Its a good point and true at every general election. The problem we (the public) have is that the political system is loaded against us. We get one opportunity every 5 years to vote for the same people wearing a different coloured tie and NOTHING changes. If the majority where not to vote, they would still get in! We need to get away from the club mentality of MPs. Give the public the real power to sack or de-select the bent ones. And using modern technology, let the people vote more.
@@mhappy01 maybe starting with PR? Elections are won and lost in a smaller section of seats. So many have been blue/red/yellow/orange for a long time with little chance of change. Some of my family live 50 miles away and outside the major city I live in and their view of their experiences are very different to mine (wrong obviously). They will only vote one way for the wrong reasons. It’s maddening.
Yeah all that Swiss bank account dodgearama, government project money gone missing thing. Terrible.
@@mhappy01 Tar them all with the same brush eh?
That's a tory tactic.
No.
I would ban MPs from taking second jobs or receiving any gifts.
Mr. Hislop, there's nobody quite like you for tossing shit in politicians' faces.... More strength to you sir!
Were I a brand new MP with zero experience of public life, my own basic tiny bit of common sense would be quite enough to keep me from accepting what are blatantly bribes while in post and 30 pieces of silver once out of post. No rules would be needed. That our MPs patently DO need enforced rules - on pain of expulsion when breaches are found - just shows that the candidate selection system is choosing all the Gordon Gekkos in the parties - where "Greed Is Good" is an acknowledged mantra to be followed. We need MPs with a true moral compass.
There needs to be consequences. Criminal charges and full prosecution.
@@yyy-875
There was a time when the Trade Unions through *ACAS* Would Sit down with the CBI and the Government and Discuss Pay and Conditions.
🇮🇪🇪🇺🤔
Like the drug dealers that go down for possession with intent for a few grams of weed.
Ian Hislop is just the best. Pity he didn't go in to politics.
Yes, exactly what I was thinking.
Consequences, there are none for the poltical class (and police) but there are for all the rest of us.
Traitors all from top to bottom.
Simple solution in less than 4 minuets ruclips.net/video/MOTWkQZKELU/видео.html all it needs is for enough to take responsibility by showing their support and things are put right. Plain and simple.
Or you can ignore the fact they are traitors, and do nothing but wing and moan, and continue to fund them with your taxes?
"Its not an excuse its a fact." "Yes but you're using that fact as an excuse". Brilliant.
He skipped on past that one pretty quickly. 👍
No pulling the wool over his eyes 👍👍 good lad Hislop 👍
Fucking brutal, he tried to placate him so pathetically, and Hislop was unaffected.
I watched the whole video (only because it was at the end 😉) just because of the quote in your comment. Thank you as I liked it!!
Private Eye is a national institution. These guys are heroes in my book.
Ian is giving a straightforward and very clear argument. No ambiguity in his reasoning. And yet, the MPs don’t want to let go of their gifts
Watching the politicians sit there acting like this is complicated was infuriating
Sad thing is it is complicated for them to understand.
Exactly. If they don't know it's wrong, they shouldn't be allowed to continue in their role.
And they wonder why they are held in such low esteem by the general public.If you are an MP that should be your sole source of income.
@@folkme3042 Of course they don't wonder that, we're the wonderers
Ian, as expected, did very well. Still, It saddens me to think that someone like Ian is needed, to sit there and state the obvious, in a room full of people acting like they are hearing something very complex and two-sided, something that will require a lot of thought and further discussion. No it isn't, and no it won't. Just do your bloody job already.
100%!!
At least, for once, the men across the table are men like Ian and his associates rather than just being one of their mates.
When you disregard the blindly obvious as a habit someone like Ian is a necessary person.
Manyui, well put! I particularly like the 'acting' reference. That's exactly what all MP's do until they get found out by overwhelming evidence against them. Total corruption across all parties in my opinion, the dirty side of politics!
*jeers in depressing agreeable tones like a tory backbencher*
Person like Ian Hislop is needed in every country.
When an MP who is a lawyer and cares about process and is on the committee that looks into these things, thinks it's fine to take tickets from a wealthy company lobbying to MPs and grant it to staff, then the battle is well lost.
Shame on the attitudes and corrupt ethics going on there.
Ian Hislop is one of the last bastions of hope in the Britain. God bless his excellent wit and zero-bullshit filter. He cuts through the reams of bull-shit like a hot knife through butter. I grew up with him on TV and miss him now I live abroad. Looking from the outside in at Englands sad state, it offers a glimmer of hope to know there are still people like Ian Hislop fighting for democracy and transparency.
He has always gave me hope hes seems like one of the few who went through the upper class system and didn't turn into a vampire or lizard person
Try Russell Brand's channel.
@@cottinghamcyclinggardener6822 Russell Brand used to give a shit, now he just grifts for viewership.
His shift to promoting anti-vax propaganda while pretending to be impartial no longer works.
Edited from the Press 2016 and 2022
Here in continental Europe, Johnson and his clown show have been kept well out of the Ukraine loop for safety. You may remember Johnson's candid photo at Stansted airport after seeming to have slept in the Easy Jet baggage hold, on his return from his fourth attendance at the oligarch's favorite son's drug addled 'Russian Bonga Bonga' style party in 2016 at Lebedev's palace, which is "so camera'd up that shots can be take from ten angles at a time for "extra clarity" in Perugia where "everything is on the menu" and according to MI5,6,7,8 and 9 "all who attend are compromised by Putin's dubious friends"
It appears that in the corridors of Brussels, they haven't forgotten either. "We don't want Johnson, the scruffy liar, to spill the beans again to Putin in exchange for a further delay in publishing the "Italian Party Pictures in HD" regarding our actions and our help in Ukraine" said Ursula to Šefčovič, in fluent Polish.
What I would really like to see is Ian Hislop on the Russel Brand podcast... maybe even Rogan after that.
I think he would make a great guest for both audiences.
The amount of underhand lobbying going on is obscene. Hats off to Hislop and others working so hard to expose it.
funny how he will not expose it on his tv BBC Programmes utter fraud
@@bobblocker2812 probably because the BBC won't let him, since they're all in on it too
@@illomens2766 the bbc don’t lobby, they are just scared of losing their tv license fees, and the head of the bbc is appointed by the current government, why? Who knows smells bad .
@@bobblocker2812 A whole 14 words. That must’ve been quite an achievement for you. And it *almost* made sense!
@@bobblocker2812 PR bot :) A bit obvious.
I am absolutely disgusted that members of parliament think is okay to use there position in power for their own personal gain because they think they or the members of staff have worked hard. There are familys that are on the border line of going under that work harder jobs and longer hours that get nothing other than a pat on the back for their efforts. From the public view no one in government is trustworthy and the government is a shambles. I hope Mr Hislop continues to question Mp's on there actions. We'll done Sir👍
One of the best I've seen. Brilliant man.
Oh god the idea that the lawyer couldn't see the problem with freebie football tickets is nuts. I've worked in minimum wage jobs where I wasn't allowed to take tips, MPs get a fortune, they should pay their own way. No second jobs, no kickbacks, no freebies
Would also be good to cap political donations, have complete transparency around who is giving which party what and when and (this one is slightly trickier) have MPs held to a much more stringent standard of behaviour so the job doesn’t attract people who are into shady shit so they can’t easily be blackmailed.
Absolutely. As a nurse, there is no ambiguity about things. The professional body has recently said, "...all nurses and midwives must refuse all but the most trivial gifts, favours and hospitality. We would suggest that £50 is not a ‘trivial’ sum..." In other words, even £50 - let alone a ticket worth hundreds of £££ - would mean getting struck off. The fact that Committee member seemed to take pride in his role, yet struggled with the concept is very telling
I used to work for an electronics manufacturer. Every engineer had to take a remote learning course on ethics - anti-corruption, anti-discrimination, etc. The main message was "if it looks fishy or abusive to you, here's how to blow the whistle". It took an hour or so, and we had to take refreshers every other year if I recall correctly. I'm not sure it made all that much difference, but at least they tried.
Surprisingly naive lawyer 🤦🏻♂️
I worked in a supermarket as a student. I did the job bloody well. But it was certainly made clear to us that we couldn't accept tips or gifts or a percy pig from the bag of sweets they'd paid for. And why? Because it looks corrupt. If we're seen pocketing a customers fiver, or eating the produce it looks bad, even if it was totally innocent and legal and done purely out of the customer's generosity. This looks bad for MPs and bad for the institution they represent.
We all knew the corruption was bad. I didn't think it would be this bear faced, cringe worthy and unapologetic. The moment when the Private Eye Journo's ask them to write a brief description as to why they accept thousand pound gifts and they look around and chuckle as if its the most insane idea ever made me realise it's a lot worse than we thought.
It's always been like this, it's just on film and accessible now
just for your ref - "bear faced" refers to someone who looks like a bear or has the face of a bear - i am pretty sure you meant barefaced :)
@@zu438 thank you
Its the glib way they respond, deflecting accountability by claiming they only focus on "the Process and Procedures" and that is the reason why Corporations and self interested, interest groups buy Politicians Wholesale through Lobbying, while going entirely and conveniently unacknowledged or even noticed by the beneficiaries of said corruption, even if that's obviously at everyone else's expense in the long run. They then proceed to summarize shinning a light on their Classes corruption with some glib statement like "Because you love Democracy" . . . Incredibly insulting.
@@scandalasdog the embarrassing flattery employed, the cringe worthy defense of I'm too old to use tech and the stories that wander into nothingness. THIS is the committee that is meant to be looking into the lobbying. They look like they've been trained BY lobbyists
Perfect example of how completely inept the entire government system really is.
MP's corruption throughout - disgraceful
I live in South Africa, where we have a hugely corrupt government and civil service. I have always looked up to the UK establishment as having the highest ethics, but to hear politicians ask for guidance on what is blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain is actually rather depressing.
After watching this, I came away thinking that those MPs aren't fit for office, and that Ian Hislop should get the job of ridding us of them.
This is very depressing to watch. To call Alberto Costa et al a clown is insulting to hard working clowns.
He seems as dodgy as a 3 quid note
Alberto Costa just loves the sound of his own voice.
Ian Hislop = genuine hero
"If you won't publish the minutes of the meeting, don't take the job" - that's it, in a nutshell, regarding lobbying.
Or better still do the job the country elected you to do. Restrictions for 5 years afterwards for working for companies lobbying Parliament.
@@ronnieroo227 - Then you just allow them to enter the realm of arguing about "what is lobbying?", it needs to be if you are an MP your job is representing your constituents, not taking any money from anyone or any company period.
How utterly embarrassing to think these people police anything, worse still that they represent us...
it's a game of charades, always has been. in my op.
They're politicians, so by definition they represent themselves and no-one else! Their key skill is persuading others to allow them power...
Douglas Adams got right with his comedic description of the galactic presidents' role and why they have no real power! The last type of person who should be allowed any influence over others, are the people who can influence others to allow them to have this power.
I am trying to imagine working in the same room as this Costa . It would be an extremely unpleasant, nausiating experience. What a ghastly sycophantic fellow. Jenkins not much better. What hope is there?
Now think what the people who vote for them must be like.
They can’t police when they are taking themselves.
Great stuff!! Watching from the states and I have to tell you that this is what's currently going on with our Supreme Court. A justice and his wife are gifted a half-million dollar trip from an individual with ties to a political organization and the justice is allowed to say it was just hospitality so I didn't feel the need to list it. Come on. So to listen to these MP's get into the minutiae over whether or not to describe gifts in a line or a paragraph just makes my head explode. Again, great work!
Ian Hislop, you are brilliant. You ask the questions that people like me never have the chance to ask. Just brilliant.
If MPs need to be told what the rules are for lobbying etc, then they need an induction. I think they have one. They also have civil servants to help them. THEY HAVE NO EXCUSES.
30 years to old to understand well fucking Go!!!!
Indeed. The idea that Owen Paterson or many of his fellow MP’s didn’t think, or understand, that he had broken the rules is unfuckingbelieveable. The fact of the matter is that the corruption runs so deep, and is so normalised, they simply think this is the way liberal democracy functions.
They do have an excuse. It's called 'honest intent', and it seems that it was written in to law to serve as a crash barrier for progress against corruption.
If there is any question about a person's Social Security Benefits, the DWP will immediately stop all payments while they investigate. If they conclude someone's obtained Benefits that they're not entitled to, whether by their own or the DWP's mistake, the DWP will make them pay back every penny. If they're found to have deliberately defrauded the system, they will also face criminal prosecution. Those are the rules for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society. Why shouldn't MPs face an equivalent system?
When I see Jenkin I always think of a slime ball,in a western movie he would have been dispatched!!!
That MP Alberto Costa... christ, you could see right through him. He tried to flatter Hislop, pretended that they were on the same side, then tried to confuse Hislop with a convoluted analogy in order to trap him in a contrary position, then tried to over explain something that should be simple to explain. A total manipulator, and a bad one at that.
Awful stuff and the man has a 24000 majority 🙄
Costa sychophant and timewaster
Ian had him sussed out from the start, beautifully done
It wasn't a robust line of enquiry.
Tell me you used to be a lawyer without telling me you used to be a lawyer...
The world needs more Ian Hislops.
Ian Hislop and team are brilliant- so glad they are there.
It should be illegal for MP’s to have second jobs - period. Either serve the public fully or not at all
Indeed. They get paid 3-4 times as much as most average people, so they don't need more money.
I fundamentally agree. My MP should be too busy to have time for a second job. I work for the government for about a third of an MP salary an I certainly am.
I think they should have second jobs. But not the ones they want. 4hrs a week as a hospital porter, a rubbish collector, a bus driver, a supermarket assistant. Anything that will actually give them a clue as to what real life is like outside those walls.
@@jaynbob42 That's actually a good idea, they should have to experience work. Not some cushy do nothing consultancy, actual work to give real perspective.
@@jod125 how else can they afford their mansions, nannies, boats etc.
The sense of self-entitlement from these MPs is depressing.
This is a smashing edit of this committee session. Well done. It's very entertaining indeed and not something I would've seen otherwise. Great work, I'll be subscribing.
Hislop would be a great Prime Minister, I’d vote for him any day. He’s an honest man with the countries best interests at heart.
How on earth do MPs think it is OK to have such conflict of interests? Well done Ian for pointing out the bleeding obvious to the apparently hard of thinking.
Because they can. Simple. It's a big club and you're not invited to it. Also, they have the mandate because the people elect them.
You must want them to behave like that or you wouldn't vote for them.
It is hilarious and terrifying how MPs tried to use this session to discuss/argue their own personal points. Good on Ian for not backing down
It really feels like a kid talking to a teacher about why his homework wasn't done, when the teacher is just asking 'Did everybody do their homework?'.
That bloody waffling Tory at 16:00 did my bloody head in.
@@piccalillipit9211 "Take the emotion out of it; I'm only interested in process" [later on] "But ohhhh, my employee worked soooo haaardd..."
@@thejoin4687 - I KNOW...!!! Oh he worked so hard, did he do 14 hours in an A&E department in a black bin bag and 3 day old mask??? NO - shut up.
They're just waiting time. They're all corrupt
I'd vote for Ian Hislop and I'm not sure we're on the same side of the aisle. He's an honest man who actually wants what's best for the country at large. A true patriot
Absolutely wiped the floor with them all obviously morally corrupt and they don't even know it- well done Ian and co
Did these MP's not realize this committee was going to be broadcast to the general public? and that they would come across as complete and total tools?
total fannies
They're simply so spoilt that they don't understand
They make mugs of us all,,, another breed,,
They don't know how to be anything different.
Excellent responses from the Private Eye team. It's not that complicated really. Every MP should be required to publish an annual report of their attendance, voting record, surgeries and - crucially - other income and interests. How much they receive, what for, and what they actually did. Also how many hours and days they spent working for these other interests. We also need a fully independent standards commission with legal powers of sanction even to the extent of recommending recall of an elected member.
Only issue with that is with the surgeries as that could breach data protection regulations (emphasis on “could”). Voting records are also public knowledge anyway from what I gather.
yup
Gets my vote.
Mmmm …. Accountability? It’ll never catch on with the rich and powerful.
No fuck that.
Just fucking make lobbying and second jobs illegal. No MP should be doing any of that shit.
Stop fucking messing around with debate and process, just fucking ban it. Simple.
I can recall a colleague being dismissed for attending a party, they worked in the civil service. How 2 faced can you become.
Thank the gods for people like Ian Hislop, I doubt it will be enough, but good work Ian.
Way to go Private Eye! True journalism indeed. Everyone is behind you!
I heard that Private Eye is the most popular magazine in the House of Commons library. I wonder who reads it......
@@christopherbarnett5554 all of them, to hear the dirt on everyone. Forewarned is forearmed
The fact that people like Alberto are MPs worries me. Alberto belongs in the pantomime not in politics
He managed to talk for a good ten minutes and i still haven't got a fucking clue what he was banging on about???
He's just a robust man showing off his robustness to the other robust robusts. We're not rubust enough to understand.
@@ThePerks2010 Obviously his point was that Ian Hislop loves his country, and loves democracy, right? He certainly didn't succeed in making any other point.
@@armcie5080 only to then suggest that that love for his country made him "emotional"... It was a cheap lawyer's trick and Hislop had every reason to avoid answering his little setups. Made me mad.
Unfortunately Hislop missed a trick when Alberto stated Wikipedia is not a website of factuality.
Hislop should have interjected,
“then why did you go there?
“Surely that implies your methods of obtaining your facts are seriously flawed”.
Anything Alberto said after that could have been challenged over again with that one statement on repeat.
Like a fart, once out in the room it’s hard to ignore by the others in the room..
instead, the reason Alberto mentioned it was to sway the room into subconsciously believing ‘we are dealing with a trouble maker who gets sued a lot.
Asking Alberto to make his point was exactly what Alberto wanted, and as an added bonus stirring Hislop’s frustration.
That fart lingered longer..
Most pro Tories watching this will only hear the word Sued (which implies the negative) and begin to doubt Hislop’s credibility.
Alberto is just a slippery propagandist and you can’t play against those types on level ground.
Tories generally reach for the personal attack on the person when they cannot defend their argument or actions.
Diversionary tactics, just like a magician.
As for ‘we are born savages’
No psychoanalyst believes such a thing.
Even lions are born defenceless and taught to become predators.
Jeffrey Darmer had friends, knew what he was doing was not acceptable because society’s moral lessons are all around us. The point is, even with a psychopathic disorder, you know it’s wrong to cross the line of morality. It’s down to willpower.
We proved this at Nuremberg!
These Tories attend schools, universities prior to political appointment so saying that’s the first time they are told not to be corrupt is absolute Bull…. They had a thousand and one examples in society long before they entered the commons.
At this rate if the Tory gaslighting doesn’t stop soon, this country won’t be able to afford the fuel bill..
Extraordinary. Thank you very much for posting this.
Thank God we have Ian Hislop on our side.
If anyone in the country deserves a knighthood, it's Ian Hislop. He's dedicated his life to holding the government to account as best he can, and this video clearly shows the value that his intellect has for the country when put up againt elected officials that in their own words "were born savages that need morals explaining to them"
The government is not going to reward someone for holding the government to account!
@@ganymede242 the Queen should :-)
Yes, their disdane for Mr Hislop was palpable, and Ian's exasperation was painful to watch and I say that because the audience on here is World wide and they get to see a bunch of crooks are running the UK, it's embarrassing!
Lol. Deluded.
He would most likely turn it down. Unbelievable.
I am gobsmacked, this is up there with Prince Andrew's interview for lack of self awareness.
I'm so sick of MPs writing off corruption as incompetence or not knowing any better
Thanks Ian Hislop ~ a sane voice in a mad world !
Class act. Completely spot on. Well done Ian.
It is quite staggering, and I am only 6 minutes into this, that it needs Hislop to explain to MP's what is, and is not dishonest. MP's are supposed to have the highest standard of behaviour and sadly they don't even seem to understand what is honest.
The Right Honorable Oxymoron
indeed and then the bizarre questions about technology. You don't need tech to know when your hand is in the till.
They do understand, they just don't want to stop being as corrupt as possible. They love taking bribes.
Well said.
What you always have to ask yourself is why would a wealthy individual (they nearly always are) seek to become a Tory MP?
Mr Jenkin embarrassed himself with that performance. At least television exposes his desire to not have rules policed. It really is quite simple.
Jenkin is one of those guys that think they are oh so clever, but every time he opens his mouth he proves he isnt.
He's always been a pompous prick and wrong on almost everything.
even worse having him as our MP, the tosser
Best episode of HIGNFY ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's simple, it's something called a moral compass. Just make it absolutely transparent as Ian suggests and then we don't have to rely on the MP's morals.
Absolutely perfect from Ian Hislop! Complete transparency and so direct in his answers that it's like he IS the voice of us, the public!!
Not all, I'm afraid. There are those that are way too down the rabbit hole to hear the voice of reason.
Yes, he sounds like an official opposition to the government, or at least, how it should.
I'm a Canadian. In Canada, MPs cannot lobby while they are sitting, and are prohibited from doing so for a number of years afterward. I'm amazed that being an MP is not a full-time job in the UK; and especially that they are able to sell their influence.
I’m a Brit and It amazes me too: but then I remember that expecting people in power to make life harder for themselves would be like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas.
@@markharrison2484 I can only see a second job is acceptable IF and it's a very strong IF you have a job like a doctor where you have to do a certain number of hours and you use your holidays to do those hours
Well other than the prime ministers wife it seems. Justin Trudeau is happy to let his wife do the dirty work for him. He puts on a veneer of respectability whilst immersed in dirt!
I recall one MP stating "I have an awful lot of spare time on my hands". That's *code* for "come & see me some time. Tell me what's on yr mind". Now, obviously these lengthy periods of inactivity don't measure up to the HoL 'clock on, collect £300, go home' shenanigans, but what *are* they doing with this free time? In an age of threats of surveillance by the state, upon its citizens, shouldn't we simply turn the tables on them & just tag these blighters with tracking devices?.
@@markharrison2484 It doesn’t amaze me I honestly have no idea what they do I mean you get the big tv face and I am not sure what they do so what about you general town MP what are they doing they talk a lot of shite but what else are they doing I find this system irrelevant it needs big reforms
Must of been pissed when I written this makes no sense haha 👍😂
SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A SECOND JOB IF YOU ARE AN MP
Ian is the man! I wish Labour were more like this!
I felt Ian’s and his colleagues frustration. They represented the general public against this wall of doublespeak. How can you change a system when the people who create the rules are like this?
I am gobsmacked, this is up there with Prince Andrew's interview for lack of self awareness.
It’s clear they haven’t got a clue. “What should I have said when Heineken offered me the ticket?“ Well, how about “no thank you”
I wish Ian and his colleagues hadn't danced around the key point and just come out and said it though. These companies are paying MP's to sway votes. He kind of alluded it to by referencing the industries. But still.
Yes. You are right : 'doublespeak' ... is rampant
@@dharmaqueen I doubt if it's a lack of self awareness, but more likely down and out lies 🤥
Incredibly disappointing that in this day and age Mr. Hislop should have to point out to supposedly well-educated MPs that a company that pays an MP or offers hospitality or does, in other ways, an MP a favour is expecting something in return! The whole of the civil service has to avoid even the appearance of a conflict, not just an actual conflict. As a start, every MP should have to abide by the civil service code and do exactly as Ian Hislop detailed ie provided explanations as to the reason for their employment and hospitality, etc on each and every occasion. Being an MP and especially a minister is the biggest gravy train going and its time it was derailed.
I think allot of MPs really believe that they are being hired due to their brilliance, not for the influence and access they have.
They are incredibly deluded.
Back in my Civil Service days, a handful of times I received a small token as a thank you gift from ordinary members of the public. Each and every time, I had to send them back along with a letter thanking them and explaining why I couldn't accept their gift.
We live under the misnomer that MP's are in some way clever, professional people. They are not. They are narcissists/sociopaths/ etc who went to the right school and are good at self-promotion.
One journalist I do respect, the one an only Ian Hislop. Parliament would greatly improve with individuals of the stance of Mr Hislop.
Evade, evade, evade..... Go, Ian!
He's a national treasure at this point.
Can't get over these MPs playing dumb and acting like they have the moral intuition of children, who need to be expressly told NOT to do something to realise it's corrupt.
What's even more ridiculous is it's these same MPs who believe in deregulation, that we can trust businesses not to do bad things if we remove the rules stopping them.
Most children have far better moral intuition. Those that don't - seven times out of ten you are looking at a development disorder. Immorality and unethical behaviours are learned; more often than not, taught; behaviours.
Total!
Looks like you are nipping this in the bud and that is a very good thing! Here in the US this looks like very small potatoes! The corruption in our government is all encompassing. The revolving doors and dark money is rampant on both sides and seems almost unstoppable. We do have Bernie Sanders and more and more progressives are being voted in to congress every voting cycle, so I do have hope.
@21.48 For someone with such a strict rule on accepting gifts, Alberto "I NEVER accept hospitality... and I didn't" Costa and his staff seemed to be in a hopeless moral quandary when faced with Heineken's offer of a couple of football tickets.
Lobbying is just a polite and politically correct way of saying bribed.
@@hannahreynolds7611 a couple of good eggs in a dozen doesn't make a good batch. We all have known for years the corruption involved.
@Fire Starter hard to argue with tbh
Mr Hisop and your team I congratulate you very well said I thank you on behalf of British people.