True, actually. Since Solaris was erased from existence before Iblis and Mephiles were born, it's actually no suprise that Shadow would have no memories of sealing Mephilis away or his battle with him at all.
@@GreenMask-XRGM-27 Yup im pretty sure the only people who might remember Solaris and the events of 06 are Sonic and Elise as they were there when Solaris was erased.
@@GreenMask-XRGM-27 At the start of this fight Shadow doesn't remember, but at the very end- he straight up tells him ""There is No Future for you, EVER"" - This implies Shadow does end up remembering at the very end of the fight- and knows how important it is to seal him away again. Ian is playing with this, but Shadow was in his SUper Form when Sonic reset the timeline so it's not impossible he'd have him buried away in his memories- and all it'd take is a direct interaction/fight with Meph
I love how EVERYTHING about this fight feels like it wasn't meant to be seen. The boss gate is hidden underground, in an area with the most foreboding music in the game, and the gate itself needs more keys to access than the other gates. That "Self restoring" force Gerald mentions in his dialogue was working on overdrive to make sure that Mephiles didn't worm his way back into existence and, even if only for a fleeting moment, he still broke out.
I can tell who is behind the gate from the minute I heard the music…. And I got the biggest cheek to cheek smile. You know, you have a great villain when you’re legitimately happy to s smack them I mean see them again
Its like white space is trying it's danmdest to make sure mephilis doesn't get out because if he did just for a second the world would have been doomed
@@FujiMezu Even more so than the fact that he’s the only Sonic villain who’s managed to kill Sonic himself like I don’t think Eggman would go that far though he did try to banish Sonic into space in Sonic Forces but even that is child’s play compared to Mephiles outright killing Sonic on the spot with no hesitation at all.
I know right, I'm glad that he was aware of it too. It made him sound so desperate and angry that he was possibly planning this while thinking about Iblis
I really love how they handled Mephiles here. He is clearly the only boss character in Generations overall that is completely aware that he only exists in the void, and that his sudden chance to return only happened cause of Black Doom. And he’s doing his damnest to make sure he defeats Shadow to not waste what could be his only opportunity. You can hear it in his voice, especially near the end, when he is full of desperation and fear. A far cry from his manipulative, fearless former self. Kinda makes you feel bad for him, though he clearly had it coming. Props to the team for making Mephiles’ surprising return truly a spectacle.
I know Mephiles is evil and all but that ending made me feel bad for him. He is currently either trying to escape the void or having a mental breakdown as we speak
@@KJR_Whatever I’ve also noticed that Shadow treats Mephiles as this old inner demon that he has overcome a long time ago and has forgotten about at this point.
@@93SuperSonic He's too weak and unthreatening. It's fine that he should be desperate about being trapped in a limbo, but this voice actor just doesn't hold a candle to Dan Green. No deep gruff bass, no boastful evil laughter. Even his threats feel so idle.
Mephiles has none of that fake charm he used in Sonic 06 it's just pure anger and fear and hatred towards Shadow he's scared of Shadow beating him because that means he won't exist he's desperately fighting harder than he's ever did in 06
Hehehe yeah. I thought Sega committed a continuity error in that but then I remembered that the plot of 06 ended with it basically retconning itself from ever happening. So yeah to Shadow this is just a threat to eliminate.
The funny thing is that the first time Shadow "forgot" about Mephiles back in 06, he didn't actually forget. Mephiles just met Shadow out of sequence. 😂
I love how Mephiles slowly realises that Shadow didn't just forget about him, but that he doesn't exist anymore. He's not fighting for revenge. He's not fighting to end the world. He's fighting so he can live and keep going.
At the start of this fight Shadow doesn't remember, but at the very end- he straight up tells him ""There is No Future for you, EVER"" - This sorta directly indicates Shadow does end up remembering at the very end of the fight- and knows how important it is to seal him away again. Ian is playing with this, but Shadow was in his SUper Form when Sonic reset the timeline so it's not impossible he'd have him buried away in his memories- and all it'd take is a direct interaction/fight with Meph
Nah he just doesnt remember at all. U can talk to gerald after and while u cant actually see what shadow says geralds reply about him fighting someone he didnt know made it clear.
@@tippershipbut the last part it could also be justa comeback to all the "kill you and exist again, return to the timeline", he doesn't neccesarly remembers
@@tippership I'd say it's not that Shadow remembers him at the end (his conversation with Gerald establishes that Shadow doesn't remember who Mephiles is), but rather that he simply quickly picked up on that this thing not only knows him somehow, but that it is dangerous and is clearly something that should never be let out of its little time bubble. Ever.
This boss fight effectively confirmed that Mephiles IS "alive". He's simply stuck in the void, unable to leave and interact with the timeline; fully aware of his predicament. Which asks a VERY interesting question: If Robotnik(Classic) and Eggman(Modern) managed to find their way out of the void, what's stopping Mephiles? Or is he alredy out and we just don't know it yet?
I think it's because the Egg man's are still known in the timeline which means they will eventually be brought back in while Mephiles was completely erased from the timeline which stops him from getting back in.
@@JaxsonEvans-pw2fftrue, but Shadow, whether he likes it or not now, remembers him. He seemingly doesn't remember their history at first, but at the end that comment felt *personal* Like a part of Shadow remembered who this monster was and knew how important it was to deny him his resurrection. But, again, Shadow remembers him now. Meaning Mephiles has a foothold to come back.
@konektykaMephiles says other wise to the other wise. He literally says he is going to try and defeat Shadow to try and Restore himself into the timeline in this video. Meaning he canonically knows he has no future
@konektykathis game never said otherwise, White Space is an area outside time and space, that's why places that should not exist like Crisis City, is not that hard to understand
@@josearielortiz2055 No, Elise still exists, she just doesn’t know about Sonic and his friends anymore after the reset. At the end of Sonic ‘06, she continues with her duty as the princess of Soleanna without knowledge of Sonic, Solaris’ existence, or any of the events that occurred in ‘06’s story.
I mean, erasing Solaris from the timeline has also erased the memories of all who knew about Ibliss and Mephiles because Solaris was only a small flame before those two were made at the time. I don't blame Shadow for not knowing who Mephiles is at this time.
This could be Sega's way of creating the Multiverse in Sonic so now they have an excuse if they wanna bring Mephiles back outside of Shadow Generations
@@luthergames6930 Implications had been made before for the existence of alternative timelines, also now with Tailstube confirming that there are "infinite possibilities in space." if there are infinite sonic's. then there are infinite mephiles.
People will hate me for this, but I really adore this new voice for Mephiles. He sounds desperate, that's all to it, he doesn't have those evil voice from 06 where he is like the mastermind of the story. Here, he is literally trying his ALL to not be erased again, he is literally insane at this point, it brings the emotion to this fight, which make this battle even more amazing, or a stretch, a masterpiece if I may say .
i can understand why a lot of people wanted dan green back, and it’s completely fair to prefer the og, but i think robbie did a great job as mephiles. he never disappoints
Is not that he did a bad job, let's not deflect and lie to ourselves, is that he just simply doesn't fit Mephiles, I could see him as a Scourge tho but Mephiles? Nah, you're coping if you think he gives the same imposing presence as Dan Green did
He sounded really desperate in this game, he have been sealed and forgotten for a decade at this point like damn, he really want to exists somewhere in the timeline
I absolutely love that this fight single handedly confirmed how the places from 06 are able to exist despite what happened at the end of that game, the Time Eater managed to bring those places back because it took things from every time, everything that ever happened was affected by it, including the "defunct" timeline that got erased from existence because it still happened at some point in time at the end of the day, Mephiles here knows he doesn't exist anymore, and you can tell that by his dialogue "I will restore myself back into the timeline", beating Shadow would alter the events of history and may lead to him somehow returning, him getting defeated locks him into the fate he was given at the end of 06, and just by the desperation and in his voice you can tell how hard he genuinely wants to win, but in the end, once he's defeated and the Time Anomaly is solved, Mephiles ceases to exist once again alongside Crisis City and everything that relates to Solaris. Maybe this was all obvious but I remember there being a lot of confusion surrounding the presence of Crisis City in the original Generations causing some to question whether the Time Eater somehow recanonised the Events of 06 or how it was even able to bring them back at all when they were supposedly erased, and im glad Shadow Gens is clearing that up.
It doesn't seem like that. I mean, yes, 06 is canon but tails mentioned that there are infinite possibilities, so 06 can still exist in other timelines. but this specific mephiles seems to be from the main line that was deleted.
@@Eriorguez well, it wouldn't cease to exist, neither would Kingdom Valley (though it'd probably look different since Solaris never existed so it wouldn't be engrained literally everywhere) The version of those places from the 06 timeline wouldn't exist anymore, alongside everything that was tied to Solaris, not the actual locations themselves. That's what I meant when I said the places from 06 would cease to be.
@@thefollower2933 I understood 06's ending less as "Solaris never existed" and more "the Solaris project never was a thing". The flame went out before it could be experimented on.
"no... I want... To exist..." That's actually tragic Guess that time in the void really fucked him up cause he doesn't even want the end of the World,he just wants to be relevant again
@@Eis_Cold Solaris wanted revenge on mankid after they try to use his power, the whole point of 06 was that Mephiles wanted to become Solaris in order to consume everything and turn the world into nothing.
I find it neat that Mephiles is BARELY hanging on to his existence. You can hear it in his voice, especially near the end, when he is full of desperation and fear. A broken shell from his heartless, manipulative, opportunistic former self.
Gotta love the fact that Mephiles has plenty of signs that he truly is forgotten by not just the characters, but by time itself - Not only is he aware of it by his dialogue, but his boss stage location is underground and out of sight from everything compared to Biolizard and Metal Overlord having their boss stages effectively be on top of the castles, high up where anyone could see them. Compared to those two, who are effectively still remembered and existing in the past, Mephiles is straight-up buried deeper in the White Void, doomed to remain there as a fragment of a forgotten time.
Black Doom was the main focus but I really wanted poor Mephiles to escape his non-existence and sneak back into the main timeline... somehow. Loved how they wrote him *knowing* he's been removed from time.
If you're going to have Shadow be playable in a game meant to honor the franchise's entire history, you need Black Doom. Shadow the Hedgehog was meant to be the start of a whole spin-off franchise, and Black Doom was created to be Shadow's Eggman.
I absolutely love how Mephiles was a character who wanted to eradicate all life but now that he knows what it feels like to not exist he's genuinely horrified of that concept, i like how he starts to genuinely panic when he realizes shadow is winning cause he knows that might be his last chance of freedom
Honestly after rehearing that. I honestly think that might be one of the smartest bits of dialogue in the boss fights. Because Shadow forgot who Mephiles was before when the scepter of darkness broke. Then now with being erased but clearly holding the memories of what happened in 06.
And he blinked just before around 2:30 You either need to set the video’s playback speed low or time your pausing to see that his eyes were closed & opening them.
@@superiorgamedude even though he is basically the most evil and dangerous character in the Sonic series. You can't blame that the tone of his voice makes you feel some sympathy
This bossfight absolutely floored me when I first played it. From the moment I saw Mephiles in the trailer, I was excited for his bossfight, and Sega did not disappoint. This fight does so much with so little. Mephiles isn't even the final boss, but he still has the presentation of much. His desperate pleas to exist are so powerful. It's so intriguing seeing a Mephiles that's a far cry from what he once was. He's no longer calculated. He's screaming and clawing and throwing everything possible at Shadow in a desperate attempt to get just one more shot at existence. It's amazing
Shadow just straight up and gave the "I don't even know who you are..." treatment to Mephiles LMAO! In all seriousness, I'm glad their looking back into Sonic '06 more, hopefully they'll do the same for Forces so we can get Infinite back again...🙏😖
@@ZantTheMan Oh for sure I feel the same way. I just feel liked we got robbed on something that could have been better than what we got with the final product for Forces.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 He’s basically the newest Robotnik that originally didn’t know that Eggman created him and the Jackals. The final judgement level and the Shadow DLC was meant to highlight this key detail of his character.
I’d love it if Mephiles becomes a recurring villain where he is constantly trying to restore himself to the timeline but he just keeps getting his ass handed to him and thrown back into the void.
So something like Galacta Knight in the Kirby franchise (who was a near constantly recurring superboss that got erased from canon and reintroduced to it with every single appearance up until he bit the dust proper)
@leohernandez8751 Also helps that, unlike with Sonic, Mephiles tried to perform his distract and then attack with those gremlins of his instead of a blinding light.
If we ever have such a thing as a Silver Generations, Mephiles could be reintroduced again. This time expanding this idea that he is stuck in the void. It could somehow repair all the inconsistencies and flaws of '06. And, why not, connect it with Blaze from Sonic Rush.
I’m afraid a Silver Generations isn’t really possible because Silver doesn’t have a lot of past to re-explore because he hasn’t been used all that much. The only levels I could see them doing are maybe all the levels from 06, a level from Sonic Rivals, one from Colors (he was in the DS version, I’m pretty sure), that Jungle area from Forces where he fought Infinite, and maybe one of the Starfall Islands from Frontiers (because, hey, they did it for Shadow, I don’t see a problem with doing it for Silver). But yeah, it’s not really likely.
I mean, you can clearly see that here in the cutscene he tries to kill Shadow the same way he killed Sonic (minus the blinding part), but Shadow dodged it.
I don't think it's about daring, he just doesn't really seem to care about Sonic in the slightest. He never talked to Sonic or even said his name throughout the whole of 06.
There’s something special about this fight compared to the other bosses in this game. They’re all great, but Mephiles once again steals the spotlight with what little time he has. Given the lore implications and the fact that we don’t fully deplete his health during the fight, it makes me hopeful that Memphis Tennessee will return one day soon
This fight reveals the fact that Mephiles is still alive and exists, but he was trapped in this timeline with no chance to escape, until the Time Eater destabilized time and space. In this fight, Shadow does not remember who Mephiles is, but he is aware that it is a completely dangerous creature and he must neutralize it as soon as possible to avoid future problems.
Intresting how desperate Mephiles just want to exist in a timelines like his original goals doesn't matter anymore screw his other half he just want to exist
Everyone’s saying Black Doom caused this but remember, it was EGGMAN who fucked up timespace to begin with. That means eggman not only sped up the near return of the black arms but also damn near caused Mephiles to get set loose back into the timeline.
The fact that he's sealed away, not in just the scepter, but the ruins he's in along with it being banished/erased from time is like next level of imprisonment. And he knows he technically doesn't exist anymore and is desperately trying to come back is amazing. You can hear the desperation in his voice too, compared to his calm mastermind demeanor he had in 06 too. So crazy
He’s imprisoned in the scepter in the ruins in the boss door hidden underground in the void outside of time That’s like 6 different ways this guy is imprisoned
The timeline itself feels no sympathy for him whatsoever. But, then again, when you try to outright destroy space-time, the will of the timeline is given damn good reasons to see to it that you suffer.
"There is No Future for you, EVER" Shadow upon sealing Mephiles AGAIN after this fight It appears Ian has kept toying with the "Does Shadow remember" question- and at the end of the fight, the answer is YES, based on Shadow's language here. Shadow knows now- it took an entire fight. But it was always a mystery- as he was Super Shadow when Sonic reset the timeline- so there was always a chance Shadow could remember it. Appears Ian took advantage of that, though Shadow did not remember at the start of the fight
I don't think he necessarily remembers Mephiles. It's either a subconscious thing or Shadow just recognized that he was too dangerous to be allowed to exist as he stated at the start.
Mephiles is voiced by Robbie Daymond, the voice of Goro Akechi from Persona 5, Zhao from Like A Dragon, and Jugram from Bleach Thousand Year Blood War.
It’s ironic really. In sonic 06 he was fighting to become Solaris: the sun God of time. Now he’s fighting for his life just to exist in anytime and he couldn’t accomplish that. What shadow said is true: he really doesn’t have a future. Ever.
While it might not lead to anything, there's something that should be kept in mind... Shadow doesn't remember Mephiles, and when Mephiles was defeated he went back into the Sceptre of Darkness. But... This is Dusty Desert Mephiles at the earliest, and when Shadow tried to seal him away in the Sceptre again at that point, Mephiles told Shadow that sealing him in the Sceptre wouldn't work anymore. What if he went back in the Sceptre to get Shadow to let his guard down, so that he can make his escape?
Mephiles: I will get my revenge Shadow and return to existence ONCE AGAIN!!! Shadow: Who are you and how do you know I’m Shadow and what are you talking about? Mephiles: Let’s just say it’s a LONG story that NEVER happened. Let us celebrate the return of the one and the ONLY Mephiles HIMSELF!!!
"What is this? A seal of some sort?" My lizard brain immediately said "Wtf you've seen it before!" and only then I remembered that 06 retconned itself 😂
This boss fight alone opens so many possibilities. Mainly the possibility of the return of Mephiles. This proves that while he no longer exists in the main timeline… he exists outside of it. Looking for a way to return. That is fucking terrifying! To think that even erasing him from the timeline is not enough to actually completely destroy him.
I always imagine that since he’s been erased/rejected from the mainline timeline, what if he tries to escape into an alternate timeline (like the movieverse) with all his malevolent memories still intact. 💀
I was very happy when they brought back Mephiles. This boss battle was so much better than the original. I felt the original battle was too simple and easy, whereas this battle is faster, more complex, and more challenging.
I find it funny that most people assume that 06 was made non-canon because it sucked when someone says that those events didn't happen. But no, in the finale of 06, the timeline gets reseted to a world without Solaris. There are a surprising amount of people that actually think that sega made 06 non-canon
Fans: Aww, I feel bad for Mephiles Me: HE LITTERALLY KILLED SONIC AND NEARLY DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF REALITY AND TIME ITSELF. NO "AWWS" FOR HIM So yeah, maybe it's best he stays sealed in a forgotten void. Because he would've been FAR worse of a problem to deal with than Black Doom had he fully returned to the main timeline. He's gone for good... unless fan outcry says otherwise.
I’m willing to argue about justifying Mephiles’ actions, but more so, Solaris’, while not justifying his murder of Sonic If we have to go back, remember, Solaris was previously a peaceful god, until the people of Soleanna had experimented on him, basically, turning him unstable Mephiles’ ultimate goal was to reunite with his other half, by any means And while yes, he killed Sonic, I can’t blame the crazed god for trying to unleash his blind wrath on everyone, not just people who hurt and exploited him Like, remember Chaos? Chaos was allowed to be pacified and laid to rest, but Solaris and Mephiles, by extension, are suddenly just evil and not a product of their hurt?
I hope Mephiles returns once again after X Shadow Generations. Something inside me tells me that Sega is preparing a future story about Mephiles returning and being the main villain of the story.And this Boss fight was an indirect warning about that. Sega never wanted to bring Mephiles back before because of the failure that 2006 was, but with X Shadow Generations being a success and everyone loving it,Mainly the participation of Mephiles, which was the biggest hype for the game, I no longer see any reason for Sega not to want to use the Mephiles character. Therefore, I think that now we really can See him again as the main villain just like he was in 2006
@@jacksoncaswell2.0no, if they know what’s good for them, I don’t think we’ll see him soon however, we will most likely see him in the future that’s inevitable
How shadow fought mephiles and mephiles using powers his powers once he defeat shadow would return shadow knew he would be a threat if he returns to their world
That’s what they could’ve done with infinite since the last we saw of the phantom ruby was the classic timeline, and then black doom could’ve revived him unintentionally, but defeating him causes shadow’s memory of him being erased and infinite is put back into mania and the cycle repeats
At this point he doesn’t even care about taking over the world. He just wants to live and not be erased from existence, he sees this as his chance It’s pretty much a fight between two individuals who want to live In a bloody cage match for survival, which is both sad and hard-core
4:10 The I of now absorbed your power through your shadow in the past. What may have worked 10 years ago, no longer does! This fight is full of 06 references no way they forgot this.
@@etherealhatred He was also weak and tired after Shadow defeated him a second time in 06 as well yet he can't be sealed. Mephiles was weak at first 10 years ago due to the fact he was being separated.
I think people need to remember that shadow has a choas emerald in this fight, whereas in Sonic 06 his fight with mephiles he had none whereas Mephiles had 2. If Mephiles where to EVER be back in the timeline, he would literally be the biggest threat in the room, especially if he has a emerald.
My exact thoughts, it's great that they moved the emphasis of this fight to one where Mephiles knows he's on the back foot and has to take Shadow seriously if he wants a chance to live again
I can kind of understand what people are saying about how Rob's performance is meant to symbolize his desperation on getting out of the erased Timeline, I just think he's a bit too high pitched cause Mephiles is still a dark character. I think it would've been a better choice if either Jessie James Grelle or J. Tatum were the recast, because they can still have that bit of darkness while still sound desperate.
It’s crazy how strong Sonic & Shadow have become. Before, all of Team Dark had to fight Mephiles and even then he needed to take off his Inhibitor Rings. Now he’s just dunking on his ass.
Interesting. Although a part of me was expecting Mephiles to sound different (it has been like, what, two decades since he’s had an actual appearance, voiced and all?), I’m not sure *how* to feel about Mephiles’ new voice. Could they not get Dan Green back to voice him? Is it Dan Green or is it another voice actor? Did his old voice also get erased from existence and he had to get a new one in-universe? Well, either way, I guess even Mephiles is not safe from the whole “Sonic characters suddenly getting new voices in the English version of the series every decade or more” tradition. (Edit: After reading some of the comments here, I now understand why Mephiles sounds different. Apparently, Dan Green had retired from voice acting in 2011 after the passing of his wife. A very understandable reason and I am sorry for his loss. I hope he’s doing alright these days. Mephiles’ new voice actor here is Robbie Daymond). Voice aside, it’s good to see Mephiles again, even if there is no future for him. Ever. As a fan of him, I’ll still have to come to terms with accepting that fact considering just how dangerous he is as Solaris, his true self. Either way, Solaris means a lot to me considering how much the super-dimensional being that eats dimensions for lunch has been a great source of inspiration for me in terms of creativity, alongside some of the other godly beings in the Sonic series and I’m not ashamed nor embarrassed to express that just because Solaris originated from Sonic ‘06 of all games. Ever since I fell in love with Solaris, god characters in general have been a great source of inspiration for me and tend to be my favorite characters in media and my favorite kind of entity in general. Solaris had also made me become real familiar with all the space-time and multiversal elements used in media. (Now that I think about it, what would happen if someone were to absorb Solaris in his original tiny flame form and assimilate him into their being instead of just blowing him out of existence? Would they gain all of Solaris’ traits and abilities? Become a new form of the entity? It’s something that I tend to imagine when I think about him now. I just want to absorb him and assimilate him into my being. Pardon, ignore my weird personal ramblings here.)
It may not be Dan Green, but I still love the VA's performance. I also love the concept of his laser actually being a lance that comes out of his hand.
I say the new voice put a new person active on him. I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love the old one, but the new one give you that desperation that cry for help that determination to come back from this endless abyss that he’s trapped himself in or found himself in, I don’t think the old voice would have give off that desperation that the new one is giving so yeah I will say that I love this new voice and props to the actor who played him
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Meanwhile, Black Doom sweating bullets in the background as he realizes he nearly brought back something too dangerous to exist in causal reality.
Shadow basically did Black Doom have favor by making sure Mephiles didn't get back into the timeline.
Imagine Black Doom succeeded at the end of the game and suddenly just Solaris just begins to float behind him.
@@nealenthenerd399 Blackdoom: Hey. *Dreamworks smirk.*
Black doom in the snapcube dub might be thhe devil but he is forgetting that mephiles i the actual devil in sonic lore
@@justice8718 solaris: hold up *eyes time eater* this realm aint big enough for the two of us
black doom: nows my chance to run!
To Mephiles, this rematch with Shadow was his best chance of returning to the timeline.
To Shadow, this was just another bump on the road.
4mins at that made quick work of him probably even faster if it wasnt for the game controls
This is definitely has the same synergy as bison Tuesday
True, actually. Since Solaris was erased from existence before Iblis and Mephiles were born, it's actually no suprise that Shadow would have no memories of sealing Mephilis away or his battle with him at all.
@@GreenMask-XRGM-27 Yup im pretty sure the only people who might remember Solaris and the events of 06 are Sonic and Elise as they were there when Solaris was erased.
@@GreenMask-XRGM-27 At the start of this fight Shadow doesn't remember, but at the very end- he straight up tells him ""There is No Future for you, EVER"" - This implies Shadow does end up remembering at the very end of the fight- and knows how important it is to seal him away again. Ian is playing with this, but Shadow was in his SUper Form when Sonic reset the timeline so it's not impossible he'd have him buried away in his memories- and all it'd take is a direct interaction/fight with Meph
I love how EVERYTHING about this fight feels like it wasn't meant to be seen. The boss gate is hidden underground, in an area with the most foreboding music in the game, and the gate itself needs more keys to access than the other gates.
That "Self restoring" force Gerald mentions in his dialogue was working on overdrive to make sure that Mephiles didn't worm his way back into existence and, even if only for a fleeting moment, he still broke out.
That’s terrifying. He is the most dangerous villain in the Sonic franchise after all.
@FujiMezu right as he was the only one who's killed sonic
I can tell who is behind the gate from the minute I heard the music…. And I got the biggest cheek to cheek smile.
You know, you have a great villain when you’re legitimately happy to s smack them I mean see them again
Its like white space is trying it's danmdest to make sure mephilis doesn't get out because if he did just for a second the world would have been doomed
@@FujiMezu Even more so than the fact that he’s the only Sonic villain who’s managed to kill Sonic himself like I don’t think Eggman would go that far though he did try to banish Sonic into space in Sonic Forces but even that is child’s play compared to Mephiles outright killing Sonic on the spot with no hesitation at all.
I find it neat that he knows he doesn’t exist in the main timeline any more and is working to come back.
I know right, I'm glad that he was aware of it too. It made him sound so desperate and angry that he was possibly planning this while thinking about Iblis
He has the power to travel through time, I'm sure he will find a way to enter the main timeline
@@Omega-jg4oqHe can't travel back in time if he never existed in said timeline. Like to time itself he NEVER existed.
Yep, and beating Shadow was the only way he could get back in timeline which is why he tried to sneak attack Shadow like he did Sonic.
@@JaxsonEvans-pw2ff well, Generations can bring the whole timeline thing together and make it possible
I really love how they handled Mephiles here. He is clearly the only boss character in Generations overall that is completely aware that he only exists in the void, and that his sudden chance to return only happened cause of Black Doom. And he’s doing his damnest to make sure he defeats Shadow to not waste what could be his only opportunity. You can hear it in his voice, especially near the end, when he is full of desperation and fear. A far cry from his manipulative, fearless former self. Kinda makes you feel bad for him, though he clearly had it coming. Props to the team for making Mephiles’ surprising return truly a spectacle.
I know Mephiles is evil and all but that ending made me feel bad for him. He is currently either trying to escape the void or having a mental breakdown as we speak
Too bad this new VA is weak as hell. None of Dan Green's deep and gruff bass.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I think this voice conveys hiw unhinged and desperate he's become, trapped in limbo outside of the timeline.
@@KJR_Whatever I’ve also noticed that Shadow treats Mephiles as this old inner demon that he has overcome a long time ago and has forgotten about at this point.
@@93SuperSonic He's too weak and unthreatening. It's fine that he should be desperate about being trapped in a limbo, but this voice actor just doesn't hold a candle to Dan Green. No deep gruff bass, no boastful evil laughter. Even his threats feel so idle.
Mephiles has none of that fake charm he used in Sonic 06 it's just pure anger and fear and hatred towards Shadow he's scared of Shadow beating him because that means he won't exist he's desperately fighting harder than he's ever did in 06
I mean he's fighting for his own existence at this point.😂
that's the power of Dan Green
Y solo aguanto 4 min 😔
Bueno, lo intento jaja
@@tyrushusky2474 It doesn't help that his new voice sounds so weak and pathetic.
If u are saying mean things to Mephiles that’s bad he’s one of my most favourite sonic characters if ur not being mean to him it’s fine
I like how the SECOND he pops out of the darkness, he immediately goes for the insta-kill. Mephiles wants Shadow gone!
Mans had a chance to exist again and kill the bane of his former existence at the same time he wasn't passing this offer up for *anythingg* 😂
@@itsnimbusHe was about to kill shadow the same way he killed sonic... Good thing shadow is Cautious
@@elpopman2055 And Meph forgot to flashbang Shadow, the way he did with Sonic
@caav56 what was he gonna flash bang him with?
And shadow gave dude straight HANDS after
I like how Mephiles is semi-pissed that Shadow forgot about him AGAIN.
Hehehe yeah. I thought Sega committed a continuity error in that but then I remembered that the plot of 06 ended with it basically retconning itself from ever happening. So yeah to Shadow this is just a threat to eliminate.
@@renegadedjinn5325yup 😂
The funny thing is that the first time Shadow "forgot" about Mephiles back in 06, he didn't actually forget. Mephiles just met Shadow out of sequence. 😂
@@modernsilver1767 too true lol
I love how Mephiles slowly realises that Shadow didn't just forget about him, but that he doesn't exist anymore.
He's not fighting for revenge. He's not fighting to end the world. He's fighting so he can live and keep going.
At the start of this fight Shadow doesn't remember, but at the very end- he straight up tells him ""There is No Future for you, EVER"" - This sorta directly indicates Shadow does end up remembering at the very end of the fight- and knows how important it is to seal him away again. Ian is playing with this, but Shadow was in his SUper Form when Sonic reset the timeline so it's not impossible he'd have him buried away in his memories- and all it'd take is a direct interaction/fight with Meph
Nah he just doesnt remember at all. U can talk to gerald after and while u cant actually see what shadow says geralds reply about him fighting someone he didnt know made it clear.
@@EthanBradburyVlogs yeah im aware.
@@tippershipbut the last part it could also be justa comeback to all the "kill you and exist again, return to the timeline", he doesn't neccesarly remembers
@@tippership I'd say it's not that Shadow remembers him at the end (his conversation with Gerald establishes that Shadow doesn't remember who Mephiles is), but rather that he simply quickly picked up on that this thing not only knows him somehow, but that it is dangerous and is clearly something that should never be let out of its little time bubble. Ever.
2:40 Oh my god he brought the Tilted Towers as an attack.
SOMEBODY FINALLY NOTICE THIS LMAO. PROPS TO SONIC TEAM
lol
oh my god i hate you for making me notice that
@@D4rkstCrownoire I noticed too and was like "....There's no way this is a reference to fan material..."
@Axxidous Snapcube sucks tho so this is more of a Coincidence than a reference.
This boss fight effectively confirmed that Mephiles IS "alive".
He's simply stuck in the void, unable to leave and interact with the timeline; fully aware of his predicament.
Which asks a VERY interesting question:
If Robotnik(Classic) and Eggman(Modern) managed to find their way out of the void, what's stopping Mephiles?
Or is he alredy out and we just don't know it yet?
I think it's possibly both
Nope, he just gone
@@jalocool2807 Damn aren't you a ton of fun
I think it's because the Egg man's are still known in the timeline which means they will eventually be brought back in while Mephiles was completely erased from the timeline which stops him from getting back in.
@@JaxsonEvans-pw2fftrue, but Shadow, whether he likes it or not now, remembers him. He seemingly doesn't remember their history at first, but at the end that comment felt *personal*
Like a part of Shadow remembered who this monster was and knew how important it was to deny him his resurrection.
But, again, Shadow remembers him now. Meaning Mephiles has a foothold to come back.
"It's time to raise the curtain on this macabre play!"
That's a neat little callback to "It's time for the final curtain call!"
oh yeah i forgot 06 canonically retconed itself out of existence.
@konektykaMephiles says other wise to the other wise.
He literally says he is going to try and defeat Shadow to try and Restore himself into the timeline in this video.
Meaning he canonically knows he has no future
@konektykathis game never said otherwise, White Space is an area outside time and space, that's why places that should not exist like Crisis City, is not that hard to understand
But does that mean that Princess Elise wouldn’t exist either? I know many people hate her for kissing Sonic, but she had very great chemistry with him
@@josearielortiz2055 No, Elise still exists, she just doesn’t know about Sonic and his friends anymore after the reset. At the end of Sonic ‘06, she continues with her duty as the princess of Soleanna without knowledge of Sonic, Solaris’ existence, or any of the events that occurred in ‘06’s story.
@konektyka
White space, all time ways, even severed ones, exist in there.
So a canon retcon.
Mephiles: You ruin everything to me Shadow!
Shadow: ... I don´t even know who you are.
Memphis Tennessee: D:
As a gamer I don't get respect, but that's okay
"They don't treat you like a friend, they treat you like an item..."
I mean, erasing Solaris from the timeline has also erased the memories of all who knew about Ibliss and Mephiles because Solaris was only a small flame before those two were made at the time. I don't blame Shadow for not knowing who Mephiles is at this time.
Memphies”: You will.
@@Akira-cd2qs”I’m not a gamer. Maybe they’ll respect me?”
The idea that Mephiles still somehow exists despite being erased from history is a terrifying thought.
This could be Sega's way of creating the Multiverse in Sonic so now they have an excuse if they wanna bring Mephiles back outside of Shadow Generations
@@luthergames6930 Implications had been made before for the existence of alternative timelines, also now with Tailstube confirming that there are "infinite possibilities in space."
if there are infinite sonic's.
then there are infinite mephiles.
@@luthergames6930well he's in mobile games
Becoming a non canon character who is trying to be canon.
@@merimkastrat5846 he's canon and non canon at the same time
People will hate me for this, but I really adore this new voice for Mephiles.
He sounds desperate, that's all to it, he doesn't have those evil voice from 06 where he is like the mastermind of the story. Here, he is literally trying his ALL to not be erased again, he is literally insane at this point, it brings the emotion to this fight, which make this battle even more amazing, or a stretch, a masterpiece if I may say .
He sounds young and cool
Well said
According to the Sonic wiki, Robbie Daymond might be Mephiles' new VA, but don't quote me on that
@@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380Either way, that actor did a great job at impersonating Jason Griffith.
@@GardevoirBoy Actually, Mephiles was voiced by Dan Green, but you're still right about him doing a great impression
i can understand why a lot of people wanted dan green back, and it’s completely fair to prefer the og, but i think robbie did a great job as mephiles. he never disappoints
I wanted to puke when I first heard this voice but after watching it again I can definitely tolerate it now.
fuck no this preformance is dogshit
Is not that he did a bad job, let's not deflect and lie to ourselves, is that he just simply doesn't fit Mephiles, I could see him as a Scourge tho but Mephiles? Nah, you're coping if you think he gives the same imposing presence as Dan Green did
I knew he wouldn’t, Dan’s busy being a dad and all around family man, but kudos to Robbie for carrying himself well.
Should've *used* Super Buu's voice to capture Dan Green's portrayal:
_Better._
He sounded really desperate in this game, he have been sealed and forgotten for a decade at this point like damn, he really want to exists somewhere in the timeline
Closer to two decades. It's been 18 years.
I absolutely love that this fight single handedly confirmed how the places from 06 are able to exist despite what happened at the end of that game, the Time Eater managed to bring those places back because it took things from every time, everything that ever happened was affected by it, including the "defunct" timeline that got erased from existence because it still happened at some point in time at the end of the day, Mephiles here knows he doesn't exist anymore, and you can tell that by his dialogue "I will restore myself back into the timeline", beating Shadow would alter the events of history and may lead to him somehow returning, him getting defeated locks him into the fate he was given at the end of 06, and just by the desperation and in his voice you can tell how hard he genuinely wants to win, but in the end, once he's defeated and the Time Anomaly is solved, Mephiles ceases to exist once again alongside Crisis City and everything that relates to Solaris.
Maybe this was all obvious but I remember there being a lot of confusion surrounding the presence of Crisis City in the original Generations causing some to question whether the Time Eater somehow recanonised the Events of 06 or how it was even able to bring them back at all when they were supposedly erased, and im glad Shadow Gens is clearing that up.
It doesn't seem like that.
I mean, yes, 06 is canon but tails mentioned that there are infinite possibilities, so 06 can still exist in other timelines.
but this specific mephiles seems to be from the main line that was deleted.
Why would the Dusty Desert inner sanctum cease to be tho?
@@Eriorguez well, it wouldn't cease to exist, neither would Kingdom Valley (though it'd probably look different since Solaris never existed so it wouldn't be engrained literally everywhere)
The version of those places from the 06 timeline wouldn't exist anymore, alongside everything that was tied to Solaris, not the actual locations themselves. That's what I meant when I said the places from 06 would cease to be.
@@thefollower2933 I understood 06's ending less as "Solaris never existed" and more "the Solaris project never was a thing". The flame went out before it could be experimented on.
"no... I want... To exist..."
That's actually tragic
Guess that time in the void really fucked him up cause he doesn't even want the end of the World,he just wants to be relevant again
Kind of ironic considering the fact that his main goal as Solaris was to erase all existing timelines.
He wants to be canon .. not in sega basement
Dude wanted his relevance to not be tied to fandub memes
@@solaris3251been a few years but was that the main goal? I thought it was just a side effect of him combining with Iblis?
@@Eis_Cold Solaris wanted revenge on mankid after they try to use his power, the whole point of 06 was that Mephiles wanted to become Solaris in order to consume everything and turn the world into nothing.
I find it neat that Mephiles is BARELY hanging on to his existence. You can hear it in his voice, especially near the end, when he is full of desperation and fear. A broken shell from his heartless, manipulative, opportunistic former self.
That beam that he shot out was the same one he "killed" sonic with!
but shadow dodged it. "UNLIKE SONIC"
@@FJDO
Shadow was ready, Sonic wasn't.
That's Because unlike Sonic, He dodged it just in time.
Thank god someone else caught that.
@@FJDOwhich provides that Shadow is superior
Gotta love the fact that Mephiles has plenty of signs that he truly is forgotten by not just the characters, but by time itself - Not only is he aware of it by his dialogue, but his boss stage location is underground and out of sight from everything compared to Biolizard and Metal Overlord having their boss stages effectively be on top of the castles, high up where anyone could see them.
Compared to those two, who are effectively still remembered and existing in the past, Mephiles is straight-up buried deeper in the White Void, doomed to remain there as a fragment of a forgotten time.
Black Doom was the main focus but I really wanted poor Mephiles to escape his non-existence and sneak back into the main timeline... somehow. Loved how they wrote him *knowing* he's been removed from time.
If you're going to have Shadow be playable in a game meant to honor the franchise's entire history, you need Black Doom.
Shadow the Hedgehog was meant to be the start of a whole spin-off franchise, and Black Doom was created to be Shadow's Eggman.
Mephiles should be the main antagonist to Shadow, not Black Doom 😭
2:37 So these are the fabled Tilted Towers...
“Is that Sonic how the fuck did he get here, what the fuck is doing in my shield?”
I absolutely love how Mephiles was a character who wanted to eradicate all life but now that he knows what it feels like to not exist he's genuinely horrified of that concept, i like how he starts to genuinely panic when he realizes shadow is winning cause he knows that might be his last chance of freedom
Memphis Tennessee in a mainline Sonic game? IN 2024?!
It only took 18 years
Annnnd, _he's_ gone...
Should've had him voiced by the guy who does Super Buu's voice,
*in the anime*
And he used the tilted towers 😂
1:58 “What? Did you forget about me AGAIN?”
DAYUM!!!
Shadow: I don't even know who you are
@@SonicXD001 Mephiles: You will.
Makes sense, as 06 was just the 2nd or altered timeline to the original that happened off-screen.
I laughed
Honestly after rehearing that. I honestly think that might be one of the smartest bits of dialogue in the boss fights. Because Shadow forgot who Mephiles was before when the scepter of darkness broke. Then now with being erased but clearly holding the memories of what happened in 06.
"Did you forget about me, AGAIN?" Yeah bro you don't exist anymore, nah dip.
"There is no future for you, ever"
Damn that line is a punch in the nuts for us Mephiles fans lol
Maybe even hinting That Shadow now remembers
It's like a punch in the gut to me 🥲
@@FujiMezuhe doesn't
Just wait till we get a 06 Remake (pls SEGA I refuse to leave this life without it)
3:46 Mephiles blinking
Good eye.
Manifesting brand new eyelids from sheer confusion
And he blinked just before around 2:30
You either need to set the video’s playback speed low or time your pausing to see that his eyes were closed & opening them.
MEPHILES HAS EYELIDS!?
That's cursed as fuck.
"I want to exist!" Poor dude.
He does exist. In my heart.
Poor dude? He kinda had it coming.
@@superiorgamedude even though he is basically the most evil and dangerous character in the Sonic series. You can't blame that the tone of his voice makes you feel some sympathy
@@superiorgamedude my dude is at the edge of having a mental breakdown how can I not feel bad?
@@Aisha_draws_stuff Because he's a murderer.
This bossfight absolutely floored me when I first played it. From the moment I saw Mephiles in the trailer, I was excited for his bossfight, and Sega did not disappoint. This fight does so much with so little. Mephiles isn't even the final boss, but he still has the presentation of much. His desperate pleas to exist are so powerful. It's so intriguing seeing a Mephiles that's a far cry from what he once was. He's no longer calculated. He's screaming and clawing and throwing everything possible at Shadow in a desperate attempt to get just one more shot at existence. It's amazing
Shadow just straight up and gave the "I don't even know who you are..." treatment to Mephiles LMAO! In all seriousness, I'm glad their looking back into Sonic '06 more, hopefully they'll do the same for Forces so we can get Infinite back again...🙏😖
Forces is still relatively new I’ve waited 18 years for this.
@@ZantTheMan Oh for sure I feel the same way. I just feel liked we got robbed on something that could have been better than what we got with the final product for Forces.
People want the mephiles wannabe back now huh?
@@MILDMONSTER1234 He’s basically the newest Robotnik that originally didn’t know that Eggman created him and the Jackals. The final judgement level and the Shadow DLC was meant to highlight this key detail of his character.
Mephiles is a threat and interesting. Infinite is a pathetic crybaby and Forces is just pitiful.
I’d love it if Mephiles becomes a recurring villain where he is constantly trying to restore himself to the timeline but he just keeps getting his ass handed to him and thrown back into the void.
Bro becomes the new infinite 💀💀
honestly a stand alone shadow game with him as the main villain would be amazing
So something like Galacta Knight in the Kirby franchise (who was a near constantly recurring superboss that got erased from canon and reintroduced to it with every single appearance up until he bit the dust proper)
@@yetravellingsonc8372
Galacta Knight is in a weird spot because he does exist, but canonically he’s still sealed away in a crystal
New standalone shadow game with Mephiles as the main villain would be so perfect
0:59 notice how he uses the same strategy that he used to kill sonic. Distraction and sneak attack from behind
Once a dirty fighter, *ALWAYS* a dirty fighter. At least here, Shadow was much more on guard than Sonic was at the time.
@leohernandez8751 Also helps that, unlike with Sonic, Mephiles tried to perform his distract and then attack with those gremlins of his instead of a blinding light.
If we ever have such a thing as a Silver Generations, Mephiles could be reintroduced again. This time expanding this idea that he is stuck in the void. It could somehow repair all the inconsistencies and flaws of '06. And, why not, connect it with Blaze from Sonic Rush.
I mean, Iblis would be the obvious choice.
I hope we don't get a Silver Gens but rather his own game
I’m afraid a Silver Generations isn’t really possible because Silver doesn’t have a lot of past to re-explore because he hasn’t been used all that much. The only levels I could see them doing are maybe all the levels from 06, a level from Sonic Rivals, one from Colors (he was in the DS version, I’m pretty sure), that Jungle area from Forces where he fought Infinite, and maybe one of the Starfall Islands from Frontiers (because, hey, they did it for Shadow, I don’t see a problem with doing it for Silver). But yeah, it’s not really likely.
@Multi-fandomEldingArum also Silver is not that popular either, although a standalone game would be cool
Not blaze
3:51 sobs and cries as a mephiles fan
Me too mephiles me too
They could've done so much with him. He is such a great villain.
You and me are on the same page
3:46 ABOUT FREAKING TIME HE FINALLY BLINKED, IT'S BEEN 18 YEARS
No wonder his eyes are so red.
His name is Memphis Tennessee, and he's VERY tilted this time around.
Black doom: ok, now I will use some of these villains to prepare shadow for our showdown. Maybe I could use this- *what the fuck is that*
Interesting to see how Mephiles is absolutely willing to throw hands with Shadow every time they meet but Sonic he does not dare face in a fair fight.
Because he knows Sonic is the main protagonist and is way stronger than him lol
I mean, you can clearly see that here in the cutscene he tries to kill Shadow the same way he killed Sonic (minus the blinding part), but Shadow dodged it.
I don't think it's about daring, he just doesn't really seem to care about Sonic in the slightest. He never talked to Sonic or even said his name throughout the whole of 06.
@@Nov-5062Tbf, Mephiles only ever mentioned himself, Shadow, and Iblis by name
Mephilis knows about Sonic. He tricked Silver to go back in time to kill him in the beginning.
There’s something special about this fight compared to the other bosses in this game. They’re all great, but Mephiles once again steals the spotlight with what little time he has. Given the lore implications and the fact that we don’t fully deplete his health during the fight, it makes me hopeful that Memphis Tennessee will return one day soon
WELCOME BACK TO TILTED TOWERS
YES!!!
Mephiles: "You took...everything from me."
Shadow: "I don't even know who you are."
This fight reveals the fact that Mephiles is still alive and exists, but he was trapped in this timeline with no chance to escape, until the Time Eater destabilized time and space. In this fight, Shadow does not remember who Mephiles is, but he is aware that it is a completely dangerous creature and he must neutralize it as soon as possible to avoid future problems.
Intresting how desperate Mephiles just want to exist in a timelines like his original goals doesn't matter anymore screw his other half he just want to exist
This also confirms that the Time eater and mephiles are not the same being-
Which means Ian may not have gotten permission from SEGA to do that storyline like he wanted
But it does confirm that he had some sort of effect to know that he didn’t exist because of the reverse effect of 06
And he has some influence on it
Perhaps the universe had the Time Eater be a replacement for Solaris?
Everyone’s saying Black Doom caused this but remember, it was EGGMAN who fucked up timespace to begin with.
That means eggman not only sped up the near return of the black arms but also damn near caused Mephiles to get set loose back into the timeline.
Tbh it's just not a Dr. Robotnik scheme if it doesn't release a reality destroying eldritch god or two
"There is no future for you. Ever."
That's not Shadow talking to Mephiles. That's Sonic Team talking to the fanbase.
The fact that he's sealed away, not in just the scepter, but the ruins he's in along with it being banished/erased from time is like next level of imprisonment.
And he knows he technically doesn't exist anymore and is desperately trying to come back is amazing. You can hear the desperation in his voice too, compared to his calm mastermind demeanor he had in 06 too. So crazy
He’s imprisoned in the scepter in the ruins in the boss door hidden underground in the void outside of time
That’s like 6 different ways this guy is imprisoned
@@toasttitan3253 He also had 4 keys instead of 3
The timeline itself feels no sympathy for him whatsoever. But, then again, when you try to outright destroy space-time, the will of the timeline is given damn good reasons to see to it that you suffer.
This just shows how powerful Shadow is and has gotten.
Well the power were borrowed from Black Doom..
And he has a chaos emerald, which Mephiles doesnt have this time around
Mephiles is the weakest form of Solaris and Shadow is stronger now, he had no chance
"There is No Future for you, EVER"
Shadow upon sealing Mephiles AGAIN after this fight
It appears Ian has kept toying with the "Does Shadow remember" question- and at the end of the fight, the answer is YES, based on Shadow's language here. Shadow knows now- it took an entire fight. But it was always a mystery- as he was Super Shadow when Sonic reset the timeline- so there was always a chance Shadow could remember it. Appears Ian took advantage of that, though Shadow did not remember at the start of the fight
I don't think he necessarily remembers Mephiles. It's either a subconscious thing or Shadow just recognized that he was too dangerous to be allowed to exist as he stated at the start.
Mephilies is voiced by Robbie daymond, who voiced akechi in persona 5.
And Hubert in Fire Emblem. While I was upset they didn’t bring back Dan Green. Daymond did a great job with Mephiles.
Prompto from ff15 & Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear & Chai from Hi-Fi Rush
**Get in the clown car, we are going on a Boysband tour**
Yeah, I can definitely hear Akechi slip in at times.
Also voiced Megumi in Jujutsu Kaisen. Man, he’s a good voice actor.
Not a fan of this voice... But glad that they gave him personality in this boss fight.
Casually tried to kill Shadow ON SIGHT! No introduction, no speeches, just tried to stab him in the back 🔥🔥🔥
Neat to know the timeline wasnt outright erased but sealed away.
Mephilis tried to kill shadow the same way he killed sonic but shadow doges it
And He still remains as the only villain to ever kill sonic
I mean Shadow always has his guard up to make sure he doesn't get sneaked.
Shadow has killer instincts and way more experience
To be fair… Mephiles did surprise Sonic with the purple chaos emerald flashing him brightly. Giving him the chance to strike.
@@matthewdennis2911Also, Sonic is too busy thinking about the princess.....
..... 's safety
Mephiles is voiced by Robbie Daymond, the voice of Goro Akechi from Persona 5, Zhao from Like A Dragon, and Jugram from Bleach Thousand Year Blood War.
Also Hubert from Fire Emblem 3 Houses, Prompto from FFXV and Spider-Man various late 2010s projects
Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear
Chai from Hi-Fi Rush
Personally, I would prefer Richard Epcar as Mephiles.
and SwaySway from Breadwinners
@@sonicranger5418 That would have worked well!
It’s ironic really. In sonic 06 he was fighting to become Solaris: the sun God of time.
Now he’s fighting for his life just to exist in anytime and he couldn’t accomplish that.
What shadow said is true: he really doesn’t have a future. Ever.
He did have it coming.
Knowing you don't exist yet somewhat there to know you don't exist is so paradoxically insane I'd go insane consciously not existing
While it might not lead to anything, there's something that should be kept in mind... Shadow doesn't remember Mephiles, and when Mephiles was defeated he went back into the Sceptre of Darkness. But... This is Dusty Desert Mephiles at the earliest, and when Shadow tried to seal him away in the Sceptre again at that point, Mephiles told Shadow that sealing him in the Sceptre wouldn't work anymore. What if he went back in the Sceptre to get Shadow to let his guard down, so that he can make his escape?
I think he was just weakened enough for the scepter to imprison him, just like a Pokémon and a pokeball.
He’s not that powerful due to not existing. He’s a walking paradox.
@@Zillennialjayjay Doesn't matter. He can't be sealed.
Mephiles: I will get my revenge Shadow and return to existence ONCE AGAIN!!!
Shadow: Who are you and how do you know I’m Shadow and what are you talking about?
Mephiles: Let’s just say it’s a LONG story that NEVER happened.
Let us celebrate the return of the one and the ONLY Mephiles HIMSELF!!!
"LONG story that NEVER happened."
That line is actually legit...
"What is this? A seal of some sort?"
My lizard brain immediately said "Wtf you've seen it before!" and only then I remembered that 06 retconned itself 😂
This boss fight alone opens so many possibilities. Mainly the possibility of the return of Mephiles. This proves that while he no longer exists in the main timeline… he exists outside of it. Looking for a way to return. That is fucking terrifying! To think that even erasing him from the timeline is not enough to actually completely destroy him.
I always imagine that since he’s been erased/rejected from the mainline timeline, what if he tries to escape into an alternate timeline (like the movieverse) with all his malevolent memories still intact. 💀
I was very happy when they brought back Mephiles. This boss battle was so much better than the original. I felt the original battle was too simple and easy, whereas this battle is faster, more complex, and more challenging.
I find it funny that most people assume that 06 was made non-canon because it sucked when someone says that those events didn't happen. But no, in the finale of 06, the timeline gets reseted to a world without Solaris. There are a surprising amount of people that actually think that sega made 06 non-canon
I feel ashamed about feeling bad for someone who wanted to destroy time and space but I actually felt sad for Mephiles when he said “I want to exist!”
Fans: Aww, I feel bad for Mephiles
Me: HE LITTERALLY KILLED SONIC AND NEARLY DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF REALITY AND TIME ITSELF. NO "AWWS" FOR HIM
So yeah, maybe it's best he stays sealed in a forgotten void. Because he would've been FAR worse of a problem to deal with than Black Doom had he fully returned to the main timeline. He's gone for good... unless fan outcry says otherwise.
Fan outcry finna say otherwise lmao
I’m willing to argue about justifying Mephiles’ actions, but more so, Solaris’, while not justifying his murder of Sonic
If we have to go back, remember, Solaris was previously a peaceful god, until the people of Soleanna had experimented on him, basically, turning him unstable
Mephiles’ ultimate goal was to reunite with his other half, by any means
And while yes, he killed Sonic, I can’t blame the crazed god for trying to unleash his blind wrath on everyone, not just people who hurt and exploited him
Like, remember Chaos? Chaos was allowed to be pacified and laid to rest, but Solaris and Mephiles, by extension, are suddenly just evil and not a product of their hurt?
I hope Mephiles returns once again after X Shadow Generations. Something inside me tells me that Sega is preparing a future story about Mephiles returning and being the main villain of the story.And this Boss fight was an indirect warning about that. Sega never wanted to bring Mephiles back before because of the failure that 2006 was, but with X Shadow Generations being a success and everyone loving it,Mainly the participation of Mephiles, which was the biggest hype for the game, I no longer see any reason for Sega not to want to use the Mephiles character. Therefore, I think that now we really can See him again as the main villain just like he was in 2006
Silver generations for the love of god
Or (sadly but most likely) they could go the route of “there is no future for you, ever”
@@jacksoncaswell2.0no, if they know what’s good for them, I don’t think we’ll see him soon however, we will most likely see him in the future that’s inevitable
@@Faz10do987I hope that future is not too far away.
"Welcome Shadow, to the ultimate game of Shadow tag!"
I swear to God if Mephiles dosent come back for a Year of Silver....
I loved this nod to him while also acknowledging that he doesn't exist in the real/main timeline anymore, it's such good writing
I never thought I would hear my recently favorite Spider-Man voice perform as Mephiles. But, I admit it. He gave a great impression.
I like this new voice he’s seems less composed which is fitting given his many failures
Idk about "many failures" he was pretty successful at becoming solaris,i think him basically not existing is what really drove him mad.
New sonic fans will do ANYTHING to excuse bad voice acting bruh
Who voices him?
@@Ironmew05 Robbie daymond as I have heard.
@@muanims I guess it was just one failure of losing to the hedgehogs
Mephiles is fighting to make 06 canon again. Thank god Shadow beat him.
The original Generations already made it proof that the it happened with Crisis City's existence.
How shadow fought mephiles and mephiles using powers his powers once he defeat shadow would return shadow knew he would be a threat if he returns to their world
Mephiles: I won't allow you to defeat me again, I will restore myself to the timeline!
Shadow: Have we met...?
Definitely my favorite fight in this game
I love the combat animations so much! Its like watching that Nasu dbz style animation.
I kinda feel bad for Mephiles. He is stuck in a time loop and only fails to return to the timeline. He got the fate worse than death.
He got the Diavolo treatment
That’s what they could’ve done with infinite since the last we saw of the phantom ruby was the classic timeline, and then black doom could’ve revived him unintentionally, but defeating him causes shadow’s memory of him being erased and infinite is put back into mania and the cycle repeats
He's pure evil
At this point he doesn’t even care about taking over the world. He just wants to live and not be erased from existence, he sees this as his chance It’s pretty much a fight between two individuals who want to live In a bloody cage match for survival, which is both sad and hard-core
1:34 "Welcome, Shadow. To the ultimate game of FORTNITE!"
Trying to return to existence is a really hypocritical motivation for a guy who wanted to erase all existence.
"I owe much to you Shadow The Hedgehog" my what a reference..
Mephiles: *PLEASE, LET ME BE CANON AGAIN!!!*
Shadow: No.
4:10 The I of now absorbed your power through your shadow in the past. What may have worked 10 years ago, no longer does!
This fight is full of 06 references no way they forgot this.
They didn't, he got him weak so he could be sealed, that's how they trapped him at first, he was weak and formless
@@etherealhatred He was also weak and tired after Shadow defeated him a second time in 06 as well yet he can't be sealed. Mephiles was weak at first 10 years ago due to the fact he was being separated.
@@etherealhatredYeah, as what the comment above me said, Mephiles was weak the first time because he had just been separated from Solaris
I think people need to remember that shadow has a choas emerald in this fight, whereas in Sonic 06 his fight with mephiles he had none whereas Mephiles had 2. If Mephiles where to EVER be back in the timeline, he would literally be the biggest threat in the room, especially if he has a emerald.
My exact thoughts, it's great that they moved the emphasis of this fight to one where Mephiles knows he's on the back foot and has to take Shadow seriously if he wants a chance to live again
I can kind of understand what people are saying about how Rob's performance is meant to symbolize his desperation on getting out of the erased Timeline, I just think he's a bit too high pitched cause Mephiles is still a dark character. I think it would've been a better choice if either Jessie James Grelle or J. Tatum were the recast, because they can still have that bit of darkness while still sound desperate.
Tbf they could’ve gave him a filter, but the voice acting is good just, plus the game he’s from is pretty much 20 years old so I excuse it
It’s crazy how strong Sonic & Shadow have become.
Before, all of Team Dark had to fight Mephiles and even then he needed to take off his Inhibitor Rings. Now he’s just dunking on his ass.
3:02 ok i dont see enough people talking about how the transformation kind of looks like iblis
3:45 I love how Mephiles has more expressivity in this scene than the entire cast in Sonic Forces.
Interesting. Although a part of me was expecting Mephiles to sound different (it has been like, what, two decades since he’s had an actual appearance, voiced and all?), I’m not sure *how* to feel about Mephiles’ new voice. Could they not get Dan Green back to voice him? Is it Dan Green or is it another voice actor? Did his old voice also get erased from existence and he had to get a new one in-universe? Well, either way, I guess even Mephiles is not safe from the whole “Sonic characters suddenly getting new voices in the English version of the series every decade or more” tradition.
(Edit: After reading some of the comments here, I now understand why Mephiles sounds different. Apparently, Dan Green had retired from voice acting in 2011 after the passing of his wife. A very understandable reason and I am sorry for his loss. I hope he’s doing alright these days. Mephiles’ new voice actor here is Robbie Daymond).
Voice aside, it’s good to see Mephiles again, even if there is no future for him. Ever. As a fan of him, I’ll still have to come to terms with accepting that fact considering just how dangerous he is as Solaris, his true self. Either way, Solaris means a lot to me considering how much the super-dimensional being that eats dimensions for lunch has been a great source of inspiration for me in terms of creativity, alongside some of the other godly beings in the Sonic series and I’m not ashamed nor embarrassed to express that just because Solaris originated from Sonic ‘06 of all games. Ever since I fell in love with Solaris, god characters in general have been a great source of inspiration for me and tend to be my favorite characters in media and my favorite kind of entity in general. Solaris had also made me become real familiar with all the space-time and multiversal elements used in media.
(Now that I think about it, what would happen if someone were to absorb Solaris in his original tiny flame form and assimilate him into their being instead of just blowing him out of existence? Would they gain all of Solaris’ traits and abilities? Become a new form of the entity? It’s something that I tend to imagine when I think about him now. I just want to absorb him and assimilate him into my being. Pardon, ignore my weird personal ramblings here.)
I’d heard he had a new voice in the form of the Justice Arcana
The VA is great but doesn't suit Mephiles at all and whoever says otherwise is lying to himself and coping hard
@@etherealhatred Uh, you *low key* know you’re talking about Goro Akechi, right?
@@RedJLP yeah, Goro's voice does not fit Mephilies lol, it's too high pitched. Robbie Daymond is Awesome but he's not a Mephilies
@@etherealhatredHe sounds too weak and pathetic
It may not be Dan Green, but I still love the VA's performance.
I also love the concept of his laser actually being a lance that comes out of his hand.
I love that he resorts to taking on the incomplete form of Solaris near the end. It just shows how much was at stake in this fight alone.
The best part? Shadow finishes off Mephiles with the same trick he pulled on Silver back then. “Chaos Control!” Whack!
I say the new voice put a new person active on him. I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love the old one, but the new one give you that desperation that cry for help that determination to come back from this endless abyss that he’s trapped himself in or found himself in, I don’t think the old voice would have give off that desperation that the new one is giving so yeah I will say that I love this new voice and props to the actor who played him
Did you mean "perspective" ?
Also yeah, I agree
I llke the new idea that he is trapped in limbo and just wants to get out and exist. Kinda sets up a future appereance
“You took everything from me”
“I don’t even know who you are”
“You will”
1:37
That Doom Blast pummeling was just *chef's kiss*.
0:56 Aaaaaand Shadow was able to do what Sonic wasn't capable of.
Well Sonic wasn't aware and he had no idea Mephiles was going to ambush him
@@SherlockSMasters I know. It's just a meme. :p
@@HDPlayer_909 ok :3
0:56 That blade right there immediately made me remember what killed Sonic in 06.