Maria: I don't like to see you angry, Shadow. Don't let yourself be ruled by hate! This isn't you! Omega: Shadow when we get home I would like to make pipe bombs to plant at Eggman's home
@@lx5323 Holy shit dude... first youtube comment to genuinely make me laugh. Also it would be much more like hitting the Pentagon in the Dark Missions, especially since they already blew up the president.
"I've gone on to theorize that two users acting at the same time, could even open a portal in time!" *Elsewhere, Sonic and Silver sneeze conveniently at the same time*
Maria: Have you found a favorite food? All I’ve ever seen you have is coffee. Shadow in Twitter Takeover 3: I eat the coffee beans straight. They’re delicious… and crunchy. How do you go from drinking regular coffee to literally eating the coffee beans? 😂
@@spark9189Which speaking of, The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog has Shadow expressing hope that Amy’s birthday cake is chocolate, so chocolate being coffee adjacent (least darker chocolates), could be his new favorite food.
seeing gerald and maria's dialogues is genuinely heartbreaking, especially when you see how good of a person gerald is before GUN took it all from him, and how maria doesn't know how she's going to end up other then that though, im kinda dissapointed they've never done anything with omega, they could have atleast give a challange relating to him (and rouge probably), or show a cutscene of him defending gerald and maria from black arms and being awesome
I would have killed for Omega to have had dialogue mentioning that he met Maria in the Time Space. Honestly I'm just happy that Shadow trusted him to defend them though.
I love how they expanded the lore of the Robotnik family. Maria having parents isn't too much of a lore drop, but the fact she has a sister... dang! Didn't see *that* coming! And Rouge's characterisation here is so sweet. A perfect balance of lightly teasing Shadow to being a genuine friend.
Gerald has two sons, one into archeology and the other into robotics? and they don’t talk with Gerald much? Also, one of them was definitely Eggman’s father, obviously. Wow, love how Sega is expanding the lore
big the cat: - canonically he and froggy are the only sonic characters that met princess elise (06 events were erased) - has been in the ark (not sure how in the first place) - casually proves to be the strongest character by wanting to learn chaos control but refusing to do so in order to challenge himself what the hell was ian flynn cooking with him
Regarding the ARK, might’ve hitched a ride on that G.U.N. rocket in Metal Harbor since he was previously seen behind bars in Prison Lane presumably after getting found by G.U.N. in the wake of the G.U.N. truck’s rampage in City Escape. Seriously, if you’ve not seen Big’s cameos in OG SA2, look them up. Dude’s even been to the Arabian Nights, a book only Sonic has been able to run through too.
Big is literally just that guy. He's chill when nothing's going on with him and Froggy. Then when he loses him, he just somehow winds up in the same place Sonic and his friends are Gotta love Big
Another thing: 32:44 Rouge just compared herself to Amy Rose just for declaring her feelings towards Shadow. We all know how Amy sounds when she is with Sonic! 🥰
Well it makes sense. She did say in 06' game that even if the world turned against him, that she would always be by his side. That and all the other interactions that they've had, the two clearly have a very close relationship.
@@wolfscar5557 In the original Japanese version, Rouge says that “you will always have friends that you can rely on”. NOW! We all know that there is more than friendship between Shadow and Rouge. In this game, Rogue compares herself to Amy just for declaring her feelings towards Shadow. Knowing perfectly well how much Amy loves Sonic, it’s more than obvious that Rouge doesn’t think of Shadow as just a “brother” or a great partner.
@@frankcortes6852lo mismo digo yo rouge y shadow son algo más que amigos este juego fue su siguiente paso en su relación ya veremos cuando será el próximo paso en su relación aunque quisiera saber estos informaciones y dialogos en español
Gotta admit, some of Maria's dialogue hit close to home for me...her explaining how her disease effects her but keeps chugging, saying she'll always love Shadow, man...
For people interested in the additional lore this game offers, I urge you to collect all pages of Gerald's journal and read them. Provides a lot more detailed insight into their past leading up to Maria's death. Shadow's inception and creation, Emerl's discovery, Gerald dealing with pressures from G.U.N. and the president, Maria's condition and the Robotnik family, you name it. A lot of people seem to be sleeping on this. I guess because most people don't visit the Collection Room. It's very well put together! I wish I could get the physical version.
I've been wanting to read it, but I only have the digital version of the game so the only way I can read the journal is to attack those capsules in the overworld, which take a while to show back up, and I want to read the whole journal at once.
@@yoursonisold8743im not quite sure what you mean, unless youre talking about Battle diary and the SA2 japanese manual, which are kind of obsucre even for japanese sonic tubers. Its true that for real lore heads, lot of this isnt surprising, but the diary not only compiles all info in one place but does so in a way that it has an actual storytelling element. I particularly like the way they interpret the wonky translation from Battle, they dont rewrite it to sound better in english, they imply that Gerald is almost in a trance or some kind of affect writing it. Its really clever. And of course the biolizard situation being given surprising amount of grace - loreheads knew it was a small lizard mutated by the experiments, but seeing Maria play with it and Gerald fearing of upsetting her by revealing what happened to it, as well as the info that Biolizard is in constant pain, its chefs kiss. And of course the new Robotnik lore, and the T. person... thats definitely new So I say it so far is the definitive version of this lore with far more texture and context
Wow! Gerald Robotnik has Two Sons! AND MARIA ROBOTNIK HAS A BABY SISTER!!! Looks like Shadow will have to find that Sister and make a promise to her. THANK YOU SEGA! One Son is into archeological (that being Maria’s Dad), and the other is into Robotics (the other being Ivo’s Dad).
the fact we could potentially have new Shadow games in the near future, getting a story where Shadow meets Maria's sister is such a great way to continue going forward
I love that Shadow and Big have an interaction… out of any of the Sonic characters, you’d think these two would never cross each other because of how extreme opposites they are. Shadow is a complex, dark, tragic figure that goes about things hardcore… and Big is a relaxed, simple, carefree individual that loves fishing. But I feel like Big wouldn’t mind fishing with Shadow if he were upset and needed some time to wind down, he’s extremely nice.
Shadow in Twitter Takeover said he take a bit liking to Big. Big may be simple minded and no care around the world other than fishing and his buddy froggy. He's not an annoyance to Shadow and very joyful/friendly person.
@@dalaxdercrisper957That makes sense since Shadow cares deeply for Maria. He might have a soft spot for people who are soft and humble like Big and Maria. It might be why he’s annoyed by Sonic so much since he’s always too cocky despite being similar to those 2 in other aspects.
@@MCtinRad Eggman too: He is a narcissistic, manipulative, and condescending asshole and is incredibly lucky that he’s Gerald’s grandson… otherwise Shadow would have killed him by now, Shadow the Hedgehog doesn’t count. Shadow just isn’t a fan of anyone that isn’t pure by nature like Maria was, but Big is somehow an extremely simple and pure enough person for Shadow to get a pass of approval.
You know, after seeing her in the comics, in prime and now here, I genuinely respect Rouge. She's a cool character, too bad her popularity mostly comes down to her looks but she's genuinely a good person.
They really nailed Maria's character, she's such a good friend to Shadow that seeing her disappear like she did was just... sad man. I really wish there was a way they could have her come back some way.
@@Mixeli Likewise. A lot of these conversations are interesting and frankly a sign that Shadow has always been a hero and not some antihero. Dude knows what is the right thing to do.
I learned so many new things from this, like Maria having a baby sister. She and Shadow had a strict teacher and the hedgehog refused to hand in any assignment. Gerald had two sons. The circumstances of his family tree were not properly detailed until now. There is one big thing they did change. Maria's original lore stated that she was born and raised aboard the Ark and that she had never been to Earth. Now, it seems like she was born on Earth and taken up to the Ark for treatment.
The previous lore was also kinda integrated in a way. Gerald's journal states that while she was born on Earth she spent so long aboard The Ark that a lot of the younger staff believed she was born there like the G.U.N. commander
@@cleomi8696 I see. I would love to read that journal. I've played the original Sonic Generations and didn't feel like getting this one, even if it came with an awesome addition. Still, that journal might have been very useful to me, back when I was writing a crossover story starring Shadow. That ship has sailed, though.
@@Aqua311 You can get the pages for the journal in the game. Look in the sky when Shadow is talking to Big in this video and you can see a round capsule looking thing being carried by 3 round drones. You can shoot those drones with Chaos Spear and the main capsule will drop a page from Gerald's journal that you can read in the collection room. There are also some editions of the physical copy of the game that come with a physical version of the journal.
This is something I see a lot of fans miss when they write for Shadow; they end up making his whole life revolve around fulfilling Maria's wish, ignoring what agency Shadow might have for himself. Shadow is his own being and has an entitlement to how deciding how he lives, whether it's for Maria or not.
In the original Sonic Generations, I complained that Big the Cat and E-123 Omega were not in the original game, now I think Sega has listened to those complaints and remedied them by adding both Big and Omega into Sonic X Shadow Generations. I'm now definitely gonna get this game for the Switch for Christmas.
They really did a phenomenal job with this game and filling in the gaps with Shadow’s lore. It was absolutely fascinating to learn more about Maria and I always knew she deserved better, but now that we’ve gotten to know her to this level it hurts even more.
I knew Maria's parents existed, but a sister was not on my bingo card. I really hope we see them in the future. Seeng how well-mannered and polite Maria is, I assume she had good parents.
I was very surprised by knowing that Maria has a sister somewhere. I hope we get to see her someday and maybe she'll be like another version of Maria- Wait...does anyone remember Hope Kintobor?
Considering that it was Omega that defeated Shadow in Sonic 06. It makes sense that Eggman would have him watch over Shadow and hidden away from Neo Metal Sonic. Unfortunately for Eggman, Omega now wants him dead.
I believe it was always theorized that Omega was created specifically to be able to defeat Shadow, which is why he was placed in the same room as the real Shadow.
I always figured that Shadow let Omega defeat him just because he couldn’t find it in his heart to defeat his friend. If he didn’t care, I don’t think Omega could ever capture him.
Good to see Big and Omega in the story revolving around Sonic x Shadow Generations. Didn’t sit right with me that those two weren’t in attendance at Sonic’s party, let alone the story of the console version of the original game.
Omega is a hyper aggressive death robot that wouldn’t get along with the other characters outside Shadow and Rouge for very long at the party… Big spends most of his time with a frog and prefers the peaceful life alone… there’s a reason these two don’t show up very often.
@@cb8655 Both Big and Omega are allies of Sonic and have worked with each other during several past incidents to save the world and their friends. It would be fine and make sense if they were included. They attended the party on the DS version anyway so why not in the console too.
I know Shadow desperate wanting to change Gerald and Maria fate. Like Gerald said, changing what happened in the past can effectively change in the future. That's why Gerald plead at Shadow don't tell anything what happened to him and Maria until their impending death
13:24 ...He's confused Omega for Gamma... My heart... I'm too old to be crying over a cartoon game... This marks Big as the last character to remember E-102 Gamma...
@@Fredcat11 Well considering you can only get this dialogue right before or after you face off against Metal Overlord, I think that's who he means. That and he refers to him as a big robot monster guy. Metal fits that description way more than Omega or Gamma.
Big's scenes are genuinely sweet. Amazing what they've done with him since TSR! Hope to see more of that kind of writing in future. The robots' scenes were funny, especially Orbot and Cubot 🤣
Maria telling Shadow she dosen't like to see him be angry and asking him where he learned to fight feels so weird. The version of Shadow she knew has been gone for so long that we players never even got to meet him
maria talked about spagonia which is an area in sonic unleashed, where i thought the professor sonic met is one of gerald's kids after all 50 years + can change a person's look
I love this game!!! Love how we have some info about the rest of the Robotnik family! Gerald has two sons (3 counting Shadow), and one likes archaeology and the other likes robotics. And Maria has a baby sister! That's so cute!
We already knew she does though. The final cutscene of 06 after the reset has her at the Sol festival as usual. She is still in the universe, it's just nobody remembers her.
That would imply that Maria was his daughter all along, but the last name pickle pretty much debunks the theory unless he's using an alias to hide that he was a robotnik
20:07 Wait, did Gerald confirm that the Chaos Control time portals in Sonic 06 are canon!? I might be reading into it too much, but if that's what the writers are going for, I'm all for some 06 acknowledgment (though it creates some lore/time paradox implications). I'm happy enough that they brought Mephiles back, even if Shadow doesn’t really wonder who he is. Everything between Maria and Shadow is absolutely perfect in this game. Shadow smiling at her is everything for me 💖 and that single tear at the end is enough to punch me in the heart. I hope the movie version of him is like this one. I feel it's the quintessential representation of who he is: stoic, powerful, and focused, but with a genuine love for the people in his life. Of course, to me, Maria is the only person he's ever truly loved (maybe Gerald, to a lesser extent). I think the way forward with Shadow's character is to show his appreciation for his friends. He doesn't need to have a heart to heart with anyone, but I'd love a game focused on Team Dark or just something that gives Shadow more interaction with the main cast other than, he'll fight but he won't stick around. It's easier to fight for others when you care about them, rather than holding a blanket-statement promise for millions you don't know. We kinda got close to that when Rouge said she'd always be by his side in 06, but that technically never happened, and Shadow didn't react much to that. All in all, this game is incredible, and I love the care they took with Shadow's character. Though I'm not surprised that the devs shied away from using much from his own game aside from Black Doom. Couldn't we have gotten a level at least? I guess it's better to keep Shadow removed from the personality he had in his game. The amnesia plotline just doesn’t work for me, and that mid-2000s "edgyness" is more of a product of the time instead of legit characterization.
To be fair the only things in 06 that aren't canon are the games actual events. This game even acknowledges it with the mephilis boss fight and how he was essentially ejected out of the timeline due to 06 becoming noncanon which makes his dialogue kinda dark I won't lie. So theoretically stuff like the chaos emeralds being able to send you through time is plausible still, it just only happened in a now non canon event.
@@King-n00bi3 No, everything in 06 is 100% canon. The events absolutely did happen. Just because they were erased from existence doesn't suddenly mean they're non-canon, they just happened in an alternate timeline. This game further confirms it; Mephiles fully acknowledges he was defeated by Shadow before and is surprised that Shadow forgot him "again". The first time Shadow "forgot" Mephiles was because Shadow's first meeting with Mephiles was before Shadow went back in time and Mephiles saw Shadow for the first time; they meet each other out of order. The second time Shadow "forgot" Mephiles is because the timeline was reset. Gerald even brings up the possibility of time changing as a reason why this event could have happened.
Ironic how this Gerald tells Shadow to find his own purpose While future Gerald warps his mind to make his only purpose to destroy the world Kinda sad... what a cruel twist of fate
Gerald was a good man before G.U.N killed his daughter, destroyed most of his research save for the weapons, and sealed him in a locked cell as a science slave. We don’t exactly know how many years it took before he went insane, but I’m pretty sure most people in his situation would go insane from what was going on, maybe even Sonic himself.
I'm so autistic about Omega. He's my favorite fucking character. Shadow's bestie, who fully encourages him to go apeshit and is the only one who is on board with Shadow using Black Doom's power against him from day 1, who's the protagonist of his own goddamn revenge story against Eggman, and who could not give less of a shit about Sonic except to maybe destroy him (optional side quest for later). Frankly I'm not sure why he isn't *everyone's* favorite character.
I love how he arranges a play date with Shadow to bomb some Eggman bases. He is also clearly worried about Rouge, but tries to play over it out of embarrassment. He does care!
This is the year of Shadow, but also give a cheer to Mike Pollok, the man has been the voice of Eggman for full 20 years and now he even gets to voice Gerald Robotnik. That is a nice way to celebrate.
@@Aliix458If this is in current timeline now, Maria little sister would be late 40-50 by now. However we have no evidence whether she's still alive or not
OH my those lore drops with Maria and Gerald are interesting. I wonder if we will see Maria's baby sister in the games in the future. This is from 50 years ago so she could still be alive just an older adult. And interesting to hear about Gerald's sons, especially one going into robotics and one going into archeology, It's fascinating to hear though I am sad they never mention Eggman. That's one I think could be interesting, especially given the stuff with Sage and Eggman's relationship in Frontiers.
Eggman's age is somewhere in his 40s while Gerald and Maria died 50 years ago so it's natural they wouldn't talk about Eggman since he wasn't born yet.
@@syzorst Was it ever stated that Eggman's only in his 40's? I don't recall that. Based on the games it heavily implies that Eggman did know Gerald in the past.
It’s actually 32:44 (but it’s basically in the same dialogue). I mean… Rouge comparing herself to Amy Rose just for declaring her feelings towards Shadow? 🤔
14:21 Sega has acknowledged Elise! I hope this means we can see her again in another Sonic game or a remake of Sonic 06 (with a better structured story)
Just noticed that since 06 never happened becaude it got deleted from timeline in the end, sonic first though on this new generations about traveling into time was to think to the time stones and not chaos control like he, shadow and silver kept doing on 06 Probably if it really happens, its possible that they change it so only the time stones are the way of traveling though time
@@Fredcat11 i meant the sonic 06 events, they got deleted because of time travel shenanigans on the end of the game, and they didnt got retconned because mephiles still exists and remembers about shadow
@@LimaBr_ No, retconned. Elise herself still remembered it. Also, Mephiles still exists. If it was deleted, then *HE* is also deleted. Retconned. End of discussion.
I love Gerald and Maria's characters so much but they actually retconned one thing that I don't think a lot of people noticed. Wasn't one of the biggest tradegies of Maria's story that she never got to see Earth (at least that she can remember)? Here though she remembers Earth which we know based on the Spagonia dialogue in one of the interactions. This one 24:13
Ye. She was born on Earth but was taken to the ARK shortly after disease developed. It's likely the Spagonia trip is what Maria remembers of Earth. It's edging on a retcon.
This is a misunderstanding based on a vague line where she asks Shadow what he imagines Earth to be like. Fans misinterpreted this as meaning she doesn't know, but all she really wanted was to know Shadow's take. Her disease developed during childhood, but she wasn't immediately taken to the Ark. It's really that simple. Not to mention way more logical for her to care about the Earth when she actually remembers it.
Its sort of a retcon, but not a major one. The implication in SA2 is she doesn't remember Earth, but its not flat out stated. We literally don't see enough about the events to make that conclusion.
An explanation for how Omega is powered is not something I expected from Generations optional dialogue, but that's cool. I also wonder where he got data for what the sphere in the sky is called. It doesn't have a sign saying "Black Moon" lol
@@willfanofmanyii3751 And why would a scan reveal the name of an unnamed structure? You've gotten too used to video-game logic. Scanning something doesn't just reveal everything about something.
Im so excited for more lore I've always wanted this a game focused on shadow his backstory with the ark staff Gerald and Maria its amazing and learning about what geralds children do is also amazing This game is everything I've ever wanted
7:40 damn, Eggman is good. These new power cores Omega talks about seem very cool, and it would explain why Omega is so strong. Perhaps Metal has the same type?
21:40 potential inconsistency detected. Maria was already in space when abe was born. This was phrased like abe had been born on earth which doesn't seem to be true. Is she referring to a second instance of convincing her family to let her stay aboard the ark, did they let her go initially and begin to miss her?
"Maria was already in space when Abe was born" No, this isn't accurate at all. Gerald's journal clearly says that he was born on the Ark as a "happy accident". Which helped convince Maria's parents to allow her to go to the Ark as well. Now, Maria does mention his parents "bringing their child" on board the Ark, but if Maria was brought to the Ark, it makes sense she might get this confused. I won't deny there are some inconsistencies in the dialogue between this and Gerald's journal (Maria's sister is the biggest issue), but this isn't one of them.
7:30 Callback to the Phis in Sonic Battle using Chaos Emerald shards as power sources and/or Chaos Drives in G.U.N. robots. 11:20 3D Blast recognized for the first time outside of musical references? CD and 3D Blast acknowledgement FTW! 15:30 Big’s cameos in SA2. Shame they were removed in Battle (least I don’t remember them in SA2B). Shame he doesn’t talk about his time in the Arabian Nights seeing how base game Generations still references Secret Rings.
Maria’s dialogue is just too sad to read. I know this is pointless to say, but I kinda wish she comes back. I mean, it was never explained what happened to the body after she was shot.
What if she's alive in the future? She was never really shown shot as far as I'm aware, and since it was never shown what happened to her after pushing the release button we don't know if she's actually alive.
There's new dialogue after _most_ cutscenes, but not all. There's new dialogue after completing Chaos Island (when Rouge shows up) and after defeating Mephiles, but there's NOT new dialogue after opening Mephiles' gate and before fighting him.
18:23 - 18:2724:28 - 25:48 they had a chance... THEY HAD A CHANCE TO FIX EVERYTHING! White Space alone doesn't create paradoxes, it creates branches in time, Classic Sonic has his own timeline after Sonic Generations, story-wise, Modern Sonic never lived Sonic Mania, Sonic Superstars nor Classic Sonic's POV in Sonic Forces, it is a paralel timeline, another dimension, forget what science says about risks, it's a bigger risk to let history continue such painful course maybe so... even Doctor Ivo Robotnik would be a nicer man, a nicer scientist, like Gerald
Amazing Video, I was really looking for a video with all the characters' dialogues in the hub world, could you also make a video showing all the bosses' attack patterns? Some bosses like Mephiles have attacks and QTE animations that we don't see in most boss battles videos.
Omega saying he doesn't run on animals, I wonder if he was the first eggman robot that didn't cause didn't the previous games up until Heroes have the robots all explode into animals?
Something is not right there. It says in the journal of Gerald, that Marias sister was born years after her already being on the ark. Also, I wonder how she can remember so much from earth if she has been on the ark most of her life. In all previous media of Maria, she always wondered how its like on earth
Okay, so I reread the dialogue. "I miss my baby sister most of all" This seems like a very clear inconsistency. Its one thing to say she wants to meet her baby sister, but this implies her baby sister was born before she came to the Ark, which Gerald's journal does not imply at all. It heavily indicates Maria's sister was born well after Maria was on the Ark already.
The "frozen in time" thing only happens up until the point where they are released. Except in the case of Maria and Gerald, we don't see any of them before they appear, so we could believe they are, in fact, frozen in time just like everyone else, the only difference is we don't see them until then. Maria and Gerald however are special--they're brought in due to the machinations of Black Doom (accidentally). They come from a totally different time period from everyone else. They also vanish as soon as Black Doom is defeated, rather than when Time Eater is defeated. So that's probably why they are free from the beginning. Omega, Orbot, Cubot, and Big, however, likely were frozen in time until Shadow cleared out the stages, we just don't "see" them frozen in time the same way the characters were in Sonic Generations.
Corrected all of them. Including Big too. This is all the hidden dialogue you could find from them. The other one will be removed.
Is nice ❤🎉
Maria: I don't like to see you angry, Shadow. Don't let yourself be ruled by hate! This isn't you!
Omega: Shadow when we get home I would like to make pipe bombs to plant at Eggman's home
Basically the morality system in Shadow 05:
@@HaydenGreyEslinHero Mission: “Hey Shadow! Race you to the next Emerald!”
Dark Mission: “Now hit the second tower”
@@lx5323 Holy shit dude... first youtube comment to genuinely make me laugh. Also it would be much more like hitting the Pentagon in the Dark Missions, especially since they already blew up the president.
@@lx5323CRYING
You son of a GUN omega, I'm in
- Shadow probably
"I've gone on to theorize that two users acting at the same time, could even open a portal in time!"
*Elsewhere, Sonic and Silver sneeze conveniently at the same time*
Wait don't go in that, that's the toilet.
Maria: Have you found a favorite food? All I’ve ever seen you have is coffee.
Shadow in Twitter Takeover 3: I eat the coffee beans straight. They’re delicious… and crunchy.
How do you go from drinking regular coffee to literally eating the coffee beans? 😂
Even beyond the Twitter takeover, Iizuka confirmed Shadow likes coffee in an interview!
Maybe Amy can think how to add coffee beans in her cooking. I want to see more the two of them bonding, this time with food
Peak evolution.
coffee beans are actually pretty good, especially when covered in chocolate
@@spark9189Which speaking of, The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog has Shadow expressing hope that Amy’s birthday cake is chocolate, so chocolate being coffee adjacent (least darker chocolates), could be his new favorite food.
seeing gerald and maria's dialogues is genuinely heartbreaking, especially when you see how good of a person gerald is before GUN took it all from him, and how maria doesn't know how she's going to end up
other then that though, im kinda dissapointed they've never done anything with omega, they could have atleast give a challange relating to him (and rouge probably), or show a cutscene of him defending gerald and maria from black arms and being awesome
I would have killed for Omega to have had dialogue mentioning that he met Maria in the Time Space. Honestly I'm just happy that Shadow trusted him to defend them though.
I love how they expanded the lore of the Robotnik family. Maria having parents isn't too much of a lore drop, but the fact she has a sister... dang! Didn't see *that* coming!
And Rouge's characterisation here is so sweet. A perfect balance of lightly teasing Shadow to being a genuine friend.
You think maybe that sister will be a new antagonist in the Sonic series perhaps?
@@mcstudioproductions3512 Who knows?
Gerald has two sons, one into archeology and the other into robotics? and they don’t talk with Gerald much? Also, one of them was definitely Eggman’s father, obviously. Wow, love how Sega is expanding the lore
not really. maria had to come from somewhere
@@reggielacey2235Yup. Eggman and Maria are confirmed to be cousins, not siblings. Meaning that Gerald needed to have at least two kids.
@@d4rksonic474 I meant one of Gerald’s kids is Eggman’s father
@@reggielacey2235 true, still nice to hear him talk a little about his personal life
and maria has a sister, i really want to see shadow meet her.
Nice to know that the night after Sonic's birthday, Shadow and Omega went out joy-riding and shot up an Eggman base, then dropped some nukes on it.
Average guys' night
Poor Eggman he asked for it though
big the cat:
- canonically he and froggy are the only sonic characters that met princess elise (06 events were erased)
- has been in the ark (not sure how in the first place)
- casually proves to be the strongest character by wanting to learn chaos control but refusing to do so in order to challenge himself
what the hell was ian flynn cooking with him
I think he was cooking meth
Don't forget the best part. He wasn't even kidnapped by the Time-eater, he was just looking for Froggy and got so lost that he somehow got there.
@@carlosgarabatosferro883 *What the fuck, Big?*
Regarding the ARK, might’ve hitched a ride on that G.U.N. rocket in Metal Harbor since he was previously seen behind bars in Prison Lane presumably after getting found by G.U.N. in the wake of the G.U.N. truck’s rampage in City Escape. Seriously, if you’ve not seen Big’s cameos in OG SA2, look them up. Dude’s even been to the Arabian Nights, a book only Sonic has been able to run through too.
Big is literally just that guy. He's chill when nothing's going on with him and Froggy. Then when he loses him, he just somehow winds up in the same place Sonic and his friends are
Gotta love Big
Can't believe nobody is talking about how sweet Rouge dialogue with Shadow, he is so special to her to the point that she's compelled to admit.
For real! And people wonder why I ship them.
Another thing: 32:44 Rouge just compared herself to Amy Rose just for declaring her feelings towards Shadow. We all know how Amy sounds when she is with Sonic! 🥰
Well it makes sense. She did say in 06' game that even if the world turned against him, that she would always be by his side. That and all the other interactions that they've had, the two clearly have a very close relationship.
@@wolfscar5557 In the original Japanese version, Rouge says that “you will always have friends that you can rely on”. NOW! We all know that there is more than friendship between Shadow and Rouge.
In this game, Rogue compares herself to Amy just for declaring her feelings towards Shadow. Knowing perfectly well how much Amy loves Sonic, it’s more than obvious that Rouge doesn’t think of Shadow as just a “brother” or a great partner.
@@frankcortes6852lo mismo digo yo rouge y shadow son algo más que amigos este juego fue su siguiente paso en su relación ya veremos cuando será el próximo paso en su relación aunque quisiera saber estos informaciones y dialogos en español
Gotta admit, some of Maria's dialogue hit close to home for me...her explaining how her disease effects her but keeps chugging, saying she'll always love Shadow, man...
For people interested in the additional lore this game offers, I urge you to collect all pages of Gerald's journal and read them. Provides a lot more detailed insight into their past leading up to Maria's death. Shadow's inception and creation, Emerl's discovery, Gerald dealing with pressures from G.U.N. and the president, Maria's condition and the Robotnik family, you name it. A lot of people seem to be sleeping on this. I guess because most people don't visit the Collection Room. It's very well put together! I wish I could get the physical version.
The physical version of the Journal has been out for years, though only in Japanese. So it's not exactly new lore, just very obscure.
I've been wanting to read it, but I only have the digital version of the game so the only way I can read the journal is to attack those capsules in the overworld, which take a while to show back up, and I want to read the whole journal at once.
@@yoursonisold8743im not quite sure what you mean, unless youre talking about Battle diary and the SA2 japanese manual, which are kind of obsucre even for japanese sonic tubers. Its true that for real lore heads, lot of this isnt surprising, but the diary not only compiles all info in one place but does so in a way that it has an actual storytelling element.
I particularly like the way they interpret the wonky translation from Battle, they dont rewrite it to sound better in english, they imply that Gerald is almost in a trance or some kind of affect writing it. Its really clever.
And of course the biolizard situation being given surprising amount of grace - loreheads knew it was a small lizard mutated by the experiments, but seeing Maria play with it and Gerald fearing of upsetting her by revealing what happened to it, as well as the info that Biolizard is in constant pain, its chefs kiss.
And of course the new Robotnik lore, and the T. person... thats definitely new
So I say it so far is the definitive version of this lore with far more texture and context
Wow! Gerald Robotnik has Two Sons! AND MARIA ROBOTNIK HAS A BABY SISTER!!!
Looks like Shadow will have to find that Sister and make a promise to her. THANK YOU SEGA!
One Son is into archeological (that being Maria’s Dad), and the other is into Robotics (the other being Ivo’s Dad).
no shit he had 2 sons
I just found that out by watching this dialogue the fudge!!
I like to think the archeological son was Ivo’s Dad on an ironic twist.
the fact we could potentially have new Shadow games in the near future, getting a story where Shadow meets Maria's sister is such a great way to continue going forward
@@reggielacey2235why you salty man? i know it's obvious but it's still hard to believe sega is giving us all this lore.
I love that Shadow and Big have an interaction… out of any of the Sonic characters, you’d think these two would never cross each other because of how extreme opposites they are.
Shadow is a complex, dark, tragic figure that goes about things hardcore… and Big is a relaxed, simple, carefree individual that loves fishing.
But I feel like Big wouldn’t mind fishing with Shadow if he were upset and needed some time to wind down, he’s extremely nice.
Shadow in Twitter Takeover said he take a bit liking to Big. Big may be simple minded and no care around the world other than fishing and his buddy froggy. He's not an annoyance to Shadow and very joyful/friendly person.
@@dalaxdercrisper957That makes sense since Shadow cares deeply for Maria. He might have a soft spot for people who are soft and humble like Big and Maria. It might be why he’s annoyed by Sonic so much since he’s always too cocky despite being similar to those 2 in other aspects.
Indeed, it's surprise that Big managed to get Gerald down and fishing with him.
@@MCtinRad Eggman too: He is a narcissistic, manipulative, and condescending asshole and is incredibly lucky that he’s Gerald’s grandson… otherwise Shadow would have killed him by now, Shadow the Hedgehog doesn’t count.
Shadow just isn’t a fan of anyone that isn’t pure by nature like Maria was, but Big is somehow an extremely simple and pure enough person for Shadow to get a pass of approval.
Y'think Shadow could take him out on that Doom Surf ray to get to some good fishing spots?
23:58 He is The Ultimate Slacker. He can turn in the assignment whenever he pleases.
While the Ark was getting raided by G.U.N, Shadow's first thought was that at least he didn't have to turn in that physics paper
Shadow's always been 2 cool 4 skool
@@teapartypenguin1353Wait Seriously
You know, after seeing her in the comics, in prime and now here, I genuinely respect Rouge. She's a cool character, too bad her popularity mostly comes down to her looks but she's genuinely a good person.
So like most attractive characters
Anyone who didn't like Rouge never actually played the games lmao. She was always like this and was always one of the best written characters.
They really nailed Maria's character, she's such a good friend to Shadow that seeing her disappear like she did was just... sad man. I really wish there was a way they could have her come back some way.
It's good to see you! Thanks!
@@Mixeli Likewise. A lot of these conversations are interesting and frankly a sign that Shadow has always been a hero and not some antihero. Dude knows what is the right thing to do.
Dude i knowwwww, literally broke my heart
@@juanpablorobayo9891 I think shadows a mid character, but his origins and the ending of the shadow portion makes me feel bad for him.
@@ScottE-2 Shadow did shed a tear while he zipped past Rouge so, he definitely has a heart. Bad guys can’t even do that.
I learned so many new things from this, like Maria having a baby sister. She and Shadow had a strict teacher and the hedgehog refused to hand in any assignment. Gerald had two sons. The circumstances of his family tree were not properly detailed until now. There is one big thing they did change. Maria's original lore stated that she was born and raised aboard the Ark and that she had never been to Earth. Now, it seems like she was born on Earth and taken up to the Ark for treatment.
The previous lore was also kinda integrated in a way. Gerald's journal states that while she was born on Earth she spent so long aboard The Ark that a lot of the younger staff believed she was born there like the G.U.N. commander
@@cleomi8696 I see. I would love to read that journal. I've played the original Sonic Generations and didn't feel like getting this one, even if it came with an awesome addition.
Still, that journal might have been very useful to me, back when I was writing a crossover story starring Shadow. That ship has sailed, though.
@@Aqua311 You can get the pages for the journal in the game. Look in the sky when Shadow is talking to Big in this video and you can see a round capsule looking thing being carried by 3 round drones. You can shoot those drones with Chaos Spear and the main capsule will drop a page from Gerald's journal that you can read in the collection room. There are also some editions of the physical copy of the game that come with a physical version of the journal.
27:33 DUDE THIS BROKE ME, THIS WRITING IS AMAZING
This is something I see a lot of fans miss when they write for Shadow; they end up making his whole life revolve around fulfilling Maria's wish, ignoring what agency Shadow might have for himself. Shadow is his own being and has an entitlement to how deciding how he lives, whether it's for Maria or not.
16:30 BIG AND MARIA ARE FRIENDS IN THE TIME SPACE
OH MY GOD
I sure hope Big doesn't find out about her fate...
Even better! Best friends!
In the original Sonic Generations, I complained that Big the Cat and E-123 Omega were not in the original game, now I think Sega has listened to those complaints and remedied them by adding both Big and Omega into Sonic X Shadow Generations. I'm now definitely gonna get this game for the Switch for Christmas.
They really did a phenomenal job with this game and filling in the gaps with Shadow’s lore. It was absolutely fascinating to learn more about Maria and I always knew she deserved better, but now that we’ve gotten to know her to this level it hurts even more.
I knew Maria's parents existed, but a sister was not on my bingo card. I really hope we see them in the future. Seeng how well-mannered and polite Maria is, I assume she had good parents.
I also like that Maria wrote a Bio report on Chao.
That has to be a hint that she's also a genius like Gerald and Ivo.
@@Hilversumborn I'm pretty sure she also helped with the designing of Shadow's air shoes
I was very surprised by knowing that Maria has a sister somewhere. I hope we get to see her someday and maybe she'll be like another version of Maria-
Wait...does anyone remember Hope Kintobor?
There's a rumor we might've seen the sister's design already...
@@tailsfan10I was thinking the same thing. What if her sister's name was Hope?
Rouge: Will you be OK?
Shadow: I’ll be alright, Rouge. Just wait here. I’ll be back for you and Omega. I promise.
Rouge: I hope so. Good luck, Shadow.
Considering that it was Omega that defeated Shadow in Sonic 06. It makes sense that Eggman would have him watch over Shadow and hidden away from Neo Metal Sonic. Unfortunately for Eggman, Omega now wants him dead.
I believe it was always theorized that Omega was created specifically to be able to defeat Shadow, which is why he was placed in the same room as the real Shadow.
I always figured that Shadow let Omega defeat him just because he couldn’t find it in his heart to defeat his friend. If he didn’t care, I don’t think Omega could ever capture him.
Good to see Big and Omega in the story revolving around Sonic x Shadow Generations. Didn’t sit right with me that those two weren’t in attendance at Sonic’s party, let alone the story of the console version of the original game.
Omega is a hyper aggressive death robot that wouldn’t get along with the other characters outside Shadow and Rouge for very long at the party… Big spends most of his time with a frog and prefers the peaceful life alone… there’s a reason these two don’t show up very often.
@@cb8655 Both Big and Omega are allies of Sonic and have worked with each other during several past incidents to save the world and their friends. It would be fine and make sense if they were included. They attended the party on the DS version anyway so why not in the console too.
@@Slick.F.W To be different I guess… but you make good points.
Not exactly sure why a killer robot would attend a birthday party, nor how he would logically work there.
Big is usually doing his own thing.
@@glacierwolf2155 Which is why Rouge was the only one attended the party. XD
I know Shadow desperate wanting to change Gerald and Maria fate. Like Gerald said, changing what happened in the past can effectively change in the future. That's why Gerald plead at Shadow don't tell anything what happened to him and Maria until their impending death
I know right, it would create a gigantic butterfly effect on the timeline.
@@worldsfunniestvideosandbes3684 Doctor Who, and The Flash: It would do what now?
@@Sonario648 "Oh my god I told you guys to stop f------ up the timeline"
13:24 ...He's confused Omega for Gamma... My heart... I'm too old to be crying over a cartoon game...
This marks Big as the last character to remember E-102 Gamma...
It's due to both bots had same color pattern, but yeah, Big still remembered E-102 Gamma after all those chaos.
@Avi0097 Metal Overlord is blue, while Omega and Gamma are red and black.
@@Fredcat11 Well considering you can only get this dialogue right before or after you face off against Metal Overlord, I think that's who he means.
That and he refers to him as a big robot monster guy. Metal fits that description way more than Omega or Gamma.
Here I thought he was talking about Omega. I completely forgot about the Froggy kidnapping in Sonic Heroes.
Big's scenes are genuinely sweet. Amazing what they've done with him since TSR! Hope to see more of that kind of writing in future.
The robots' scenes were funny, especially Orbot and Cubot 🤣
I love that they're expanding the lore and the Family tree of the Robotniks, and maybe we’ll see more family members down the line in a future game🤩
And bring Eggman Nega to a console game aside from the Olympics!
You mean Infinite and Sage.
29:30 genuine love, its so hard to say you can't feel that, wish the kid didn't have to go the way she went T_T
3:25 The way he delivers this line sounds exactly like “Shadow… it’s me, THE DEVIL!” from the Snapcube fandub.
I love that big the cat has met Maria-
32:44 Did Rouge just compared herself to Amy Rose just for declaring her feelings towards Shadow? 😳
Maria telling Shadow she dosen't like to see him be angry and asking him where he learned to fight feels so weird.
The version of Shadow she knew has been gone for so long that we players never even got to meet him
maria talked about spagonia which is an area in sonic unleashed, where i thought the professor sonic met is one of gerald's kids after all 50 years + can change a person's look
Well, who knows
Could be
making professor pickle the archaeologist son would be the craziest plot twist
@@therandomvideochannel8589 Yeah, it would make everyone scream like crazy!
That was before she got sick, like 50 years ago.
I love this game!!!
Love how we have some info about the rest of the Robotnik family!
Gerald has two sons (3 counting Shadow), and one likes archaeology and the other likes robotics. And Maria has a baby sister! That's so cute!
big casually just directly outright mentioning that elise is still in fact a canonical character that still exists
This dialogue was written by a huge Sonic nerd, nothing ever gets by him.
We already knew she does though. The final cutscene of 06 after the reset has her at the Sol festival as usual. She is still in the universe, it's just nobody remembers her.
I know but she hasn’t been brought up in canon since. That’s my point
@@0retro0The Sonic Channel stories are canon and Elise was featured in one alongside Silver last year.
Oh are they???? Damn I didn’t know lol
Big: "Yeah I've been to Soleanna, I met the princess too, she tried to kiss me"
Imagine imagine Professor Pickle is Eggman uncle, thats why he treats him well while being kidnapped
That would imply that Maria was his daughter all along, but the last name pickle pretty much debunks the theory unless he's using an alias to hide that he was a robotnik
This is gonna sound weird but since Maria mentions going to Spagonia I was hoping they would make them childhood friends or something lol
They way both Gerald and Maria talked.... is honestly sad. They sounded so innocent and have no idea what will happen to them.
20:07 Wait, did Gerald confirm that the Chaos Control time portals in Sonic 06 are canon!? I might be reading into it too much, but if that's what the writers are going for, I'm all for some 06 acknowledgment (though it creates some lore/time paradox implications). I'm happy enough that they brought Mephiles back, even if Shadow doesn’t really wonder who he is.
Everything between Maria and Shadow is absolutely perfect in this game. Shadow smiling at her is everything for me 💖 and that single tear at the end is enough to punch me in the heart.
I hope the movie version of him is like this one. I feel it's the quintessential representation of who he is: stoic, powerful, and focused, but with a genuine love for the people in his life. Of course, to me, Maria is the only person he's ever truly loved (maybe Gerald, to a lesser extent).
I think the way forward with Shadow's character is to show his appreciation for his friends. He doesn't need to have a heart to heart with anyone, but I'd love a game focused on Team Dark or just something that gives Shadow more interaction with the main cast other than, he'll fight but he won't stick around. It's easier to fight for others when you care about them, rather than holding a blanket-statement promise for millions you don't know. We kinda got close to that when Rouge said she'd always be by his side in 06, but that technically never happened, and Shadow didn't react much to that.
All in all, this game is incredible, and I love the care they took with Shadow's character. Though I'm not surprised that the devs shied away from using much from his own game aside from Black Doom. Couldn't we have gotten a level at least? I guess it's better to keep Shadow removed from the personality he had in his game. The amnesia plotline just doesn’t work for me, and that mid-2000s "edgyness" is more of a product of the time instead of legit characterization.
To be fair the only things in 06 that aren't canon are the games actual events. This game even acknowledges it with the mephilis boss fight and how he was essentially ejected out of the timeline due to 06 becoming noncanon which makes his dialogue kinda dark I won't lie. So theoretically stuff like the chaos emeralds being able to send you through time is plausible still, it just only happened in a now non canon event.
Everything that happened in 06 is possible, it was just the story that’s non canon.
@@King-n00bi3 No, everything in 06 is 100% canon. The events absolutely did happen. Just because they were erased from existence doesn't suddenly mean they're non-canon, they just happened in an alternate timeline.
This game further confirms it; Mephiles fully acknowledges he was defeated by Shadow before and is surprised that Shadow forgot him "again". The first time Shadow "forgot" Mephiles was because Shadow's first meeting with Mephiles was before Shadow went back in time and Mephiles saw Shadow for the first time; they meet each other out of order. The second time Shadow "forgot" Mephiles is because the timeline was reset. Gerald even brings up the possibility of time changing as a reason why this event could have happened.
14:15 nice to know soleanna is still around
Ironic how this Gerald tells Shadow to find his own purpose
While future Gerald warps his mind to make his only purpose to destroy the world
Kinda sad... what a cruel twist of fate
Gerald was a good man before G.U.N killed his daughter, destroyed most of his research save for the weapons, and sealed him in a locked cell as a science slave. We don’t exactly know how many years it took before he went insane, but I’m pretty sure most people in his situation would go insane from what was going on, maybe even Sonic himself.
Big met Maria and Gerald and Maria treated Big like a old friend
Awww
Read all of your comments regarding Eggman have made me wonder if Sage will recognise the “lost” family members of her father.
Who knows? She might have already figured that out through the many databases and records of the world. One in particular being the Eggnet
I'm so autistic about Omega. He's my favorite fucking character. Shadow's bestie, who fully encourages him to go apeshit and is the only one who is on board with Shadow using Black Doom's power against him from day 1, who's the protagonist of his own goddamn revenge story against Eggman, and who could not give less of a shit about Sonic except to maybe destroy him (optional side quest for later).
Frankly I'm not sure why he isn't *everyone's* favorite character.
I love how he arranges a play date with Shadow to bomb some Eggman bases.
He is also clearly worried about Rouge, but tries to play over it out of embarrassment. He does care!
@@yoursonisold8743 Talking about the same guy who crashed his racecar simply because Rouge called him, lol.
Omega been a ride or die since 05. Half of the endings of shadow the hedgehog are shadow and omega either taking over or destroying the earth
This is the year of Shadow, but also give a cheer to Mike Pollok, the man has been the voice of Eggman for full 20 years and now he even gets to voice Gerald Robotnik. That is a nice way to celebrate.
12:30 is… is Shadow almost smiling? That looks like the type of expression you make when you’re trying not to smile or laugh.
Even he can't resist Big's charm.
Maria saw Shadow racing Sonic but didn't mentioned their resemblance.
At least she saw the difference between two hedgehogs, unlike G.U.N. mistook Sonic for Shadow.
TBF she had grown up with Shadow she would know best, compared to some trigger happy Americans
21:59 Wait! What?! Maria have a little sister?! I didn't know! That means Maria's little sister must be still alive and she must be kinda old
She's probably in her early to late 40s if she's Maria's "little" sister
@@Aliix458If this is in current timeline now, Maria little sister would be late 40-50 by now. However we have no evidence whether she's still alive or not
@@dalaxdercrisper957 lets hope she is though
She'd be n her 50s to 60s at this point.
Said sister should be around the same age as Ivo/Eggman.
5:56
…Interesting idea omega.
I think they're expanding the Eggman's family lore because of Sage, maybe they are going to be more relevant next games
I like how Omega is basically TFS Android 16
Come to think of it, I don't think I've seen a direct interaction between Shadow and Big until now
OH my those lore drops with Maria and Gerald are interesting. I wonder if we will see Maria's baby sister in the games in the future. This is from 50 years ago so she could still be alive just an older adult. And interesting to hear about Gerald's sons, especially one going into robotics and one going into archeology, It's fascinating to hear though I am sad they never mention Eggman. That's one I think could be interesting, especially given the stuff with Sage and Eggman's relationship in Frontiers.
Eggman's age is somewhere in his 40s while Gerald and Maria died 50 years ago so it's natural they wouldn't talk about Eggman since he wasn't born yet.
@@syzorst OOh damn well now I feel bad for assuming he was that old lol.
@@digitaltailsmon4096 How old did you think he was?
@@syzorst Like 50s maybe.
@@syzorst Was it ever stated that Eggman's only in his 40's? I don't recall that. Based on the games it heavily implies that Eggman did know Gerald in the past.
32:04 Shadow X Rouge confirmed lol.
It’s actually 32:44 (but it’s basically in the same dialogue).
I mean… Rouge comparing herself to Amy Rose just for declaring her feelings towards Shadow? 🤔
24:58 lmao Gerald hears about Silver and is just like "uh oh"
14:21 Sega has acknowledged Elise! I hope this means we can see her again in another Sonic game or a remake of Sonic 06 (with a better structured story)
If they just shoot emeralds into sonic with some dramatic scene and music to cutout the kiss then 50% of the controversial stuff of the game is gone
Just noticed that since 06 never happened becaude it got deleted from timeline in the end, sonic first though on this new generations about traveling into time was to think to the time stones and not chaos control like he, shadow and silver kept doing on 06
Probably if it really happens, its possible that they change it so only the time stones are the way of traveling though time
@@LimaBr_ No, not deleted, retconned.
@@Fredcat11 i meant the sonic 06 events, they got deleted because of time travel shenanigans on the end of the game, and they didnt got retconned because mephiles still exists and remembers about shadow
@@LimaBr_ No, retconned. Elise herself still remembered it.
Also, Mephiles still exists. If it was deleted, then *HE* is also deleted.
Retconned. End of discussion.
Ian Flynn cooked with this
I had no idea Mixeli played Sonic.
Sonic has been my childhood.
I did some video about Sonic before. It was Sonic advance but also Sonic video in a Pokémon format
I wonder if Shadow will ever meet Maria's sister. She'd have to be middle aged by now at least
I love Gerald and Maria's characters so much but they actually retconned one thing that I don't think a lot of people noticed. Wasn't one of the biggest tradegies of Maria's story that she never got to see Earth (at least that she can remember)? Here though she remembers Earth which we know based on the Spagonia dialogue in one of the interactions. This one 24:13
Ye. She was born on Earth but was taken to the ARK shortly after disease developed. It's likely the Spagonia trip is what Maria remembers of Earth. It's edging on a retcon.
She was born on earth but Gerald said he better could treat the illness aboard the ark.
This is a misunderstanding based on a vague line where she asks Shadow what he imagines Earth to be like. Fans misinterpreted this as meaning she doesn't know, but all she really wanted was to know Shadow's take.
Her disease developed during childhood, but she wasn't immediately taken to the Ark. It's really that simple. Not to mention way more logical for her to care about the Earth when she actually remembers it.
@@yoursonisold8743 I mean, she likely doesn’t remember much, especially since she was a child when she developed the illness.
Its sort of a retcon, but not a major one. The implication in SA2 is she doesn't remember Earth, but its not flat out stated. We literally don't see enough about the events to make that conclusion.
An explanation for how Omega is powered is not something I expected from Generations optional dialogue, but that's cool.
I also wonder where he got data for what the sphere in the sky is called. It doesn't have a sign saying "Black Moon" lol
Omega can scan it.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 And why would a scan reveal the name of an unnamed structure? You've gotten too used to video-game logic. Scanning something doesn't just reveal everything about something.
Omega probably just saw it and the closest thing to it was a moon that is black so he called it the black moon.
I can only imagine the Shocked and Confused face on Shadow when Big said he had been to the ARK before
14:00 Can we talk about the fact that BIG IS THE NEXUS BEING OF THE SONIC UNIVERSE?? He's the one constant in it
is 25:00 a silver mention?!
Omega is bloody hilarious.
Took me a bit to realize all characters has a set of three different dialogues after certain events like boss fights.
Thanks!
Omega has a new voice in basically every game at this point and they all sound the same lmaooo
Im so excited for more lore I've always wanted this a game focused on shadow his backstory with the ark staff Gerald and Maria its amazing and learning about what geralds children do is also amazing
This game is everything I've ever wanted
7:40 damn, Eggman is good. These new power cores Omega talks about seem very cool, and it would explain why Omega is so strong. Perhaps Metal has the same type?
20:03 NO NONONONONONONONO! WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!
Too late it's confirmed
The first time I saw doom all I could think was "hey shadow I'm here to convince you to sin"
Imagine the twist in Shadow's face after Maria mentioned going back home on Earth...
I wonder if they ever brought up that one president during Sa2 and Shadow TH?
Guys, hear me out:
They could introduce Hope Kintobor from the Archie Comics as Maria's sister
Bruh wtf
@@Random-Legend Either that or her sister's daughter. In the comics, she's Eggman's only niece. And clearly, Maria didn't live to have one
She'd be like 50-something now though.
Get to see omega once again
21:40 potential inconsistency detected. Maria was already in space when abe was born. This was phrased like abe had been born on earth which doesn't seem to be true. Is she referring to a second instance of convincing her family to let her stay aboard the ark, did they let her go initially and begin to miss her?
"Maria was already in space when Abe was born"
No, this isn't accurate at all. Gerald's journal clearly says that he was born on the Ark as a "happy accident". Which helped convince Maria's parents to allow her to go to the Ark as well. Now, Maria does mention his parents "bringing their child" on board the Ark, but if Maria was brought to the Ark, it makes sense she might get this confused.
I won't deny there are some inconsistencies in the dialogue between this and Gerald's journal (Maria's sister is the biggest issue), but this isn't one of them.
12:28 Shadow: No, Big. I haven’t seen him. What happened to him?
So Eggman has a cousin, Maria sister, who could be still alive.
When reading the dialogue of Maria and Gerald… it just was pure hurt.
Shadow had to endure what Doctor Who went through with River Song.
7:30 Callback to the Phis in Sonic Battle using Chaos Emerald shards as power sources and/or Chaos Drives in G.U.N. robots.
11:20 3D Blast recognized for the first time outside of musical references? CD and 3D Blast acknowledgement FTW!
15:30 Big’s cameos in SA2. Shame they were removed in Battle (least I don’t remember them in SA2B). Shame he doesn’t talk about his time in the Arabian Nights seeing how base game Generations still references Secret Rings.
22:34 Gerald’s theory about Mephiles.
Seems like Omega is planning in picking a fight with Sonic. It would be interesting to have him as a bonus boss in a future game.
nice, all the dialogues are here now!
Maria’s dialogue is just too sad to read. I know this is pointless to say, but I kinda wish she comes back. I mean, it was never explained what happened to the body after she was shot.
Either her body is completely gone if the ARK station is destroyed or perhaps GUN unit retrieve her body and burried somewhere on Earth
I would hope that her body was returned to her family, it would be pretty messed up if she was just left to rot or if it was destroyed
If Maria comes back you ruin shadows entire story.
Same place the bodies of all the other people on the Ark that were killed went.
What if she's alive in the future? She was never really shown shot as far as I'm aware, and since it was never shown what happened to her after pushing the release button we don't know if she's actually alive.
8:22 good boy omega!
2:05 Aww, Omega, never change.
So does no one have dialogue for unlocking Mephilis gate but before you actually fight him?
There's new dialogue after _most_ cutscenes, but not all. There's new dialogue after completing Chaos Island (when Rouge shows up) and after defeating Mephiles, but there's NOT new dialogue after opening Mephiles' gate and before fighting him.
18:23 - 18:27 24:28 - 25:48 they had a chance... THEY HAD A CHANCE TO FIX EVERYTHING! White Space alone doesn't create paradoxes, it creates branches in time, Classic Sonic has his own timeline after Sonic Generations, story-wise, Modern Sonic never lived Sonic Mania, Sonic Superstars nor Classic Sonic's POV in Sonic Forces, it is a paralel timeline, another dimension, forget what science says about risks, it's a bigger risk to let history continue such painful course
maybe so... even Doctor Ivo Robotnik would be a nicer man, a nicer scientist, like Gerald
Whenever I hear omega say shadows name I just hear black doom at the beginning of the shadow fan dub they say his name the exact same way lol
Perhaps in this timeline, Big romanced Elise lol
Amazing Video, I was really looking for a video with all the characters' dialogues in the hub world, could you also make a video showing all the bosses' attack patterns? Some bosses like Mephiles have attacks and QTE animations that we don't see in most boss battles videos.
“Do not look at me like that” 😭
21:35 this implies she remembers being on earth before she went up but she doesn’t know what it’s like on earth in sa2
It's a retcon, which i don't really mind tbh.
@ I know it’s a retcon that’s why I’m pointing it out and it’s a bad one too
She actually doesnt say it in japanese version. She says "Shadow, you like looking at Earth, huh?" So this isnt a retcon at all.
@@KOTEBANAROT it was written by Ian Flynn so it is a retcon the Japanese version wasn’t the original for this game
Omega saying he doesn't run on animals, I wonder if he was the first eggman robot that didn't cause didn't the previous games up until Heroes have the robots all explode into animals?
Something is not right there. It says in the journal of Gerald, that Marias sister was born years after her already being on the ark. Also, I wonder how she can remember so much from earth if she has been on the ark most of her life. In all previous media of Maria, she always wondered how its like on earth
Maybe she was just really young and just had memory flashes?
Okay, so I reread the dialogue. "I miss my baby sister most of all"
This seems like a very clear inconsistency. Its one thing to say she wants to meet her baby sister, but this implies her baby sister was born before she came to the Ark, which Gerald's journal does not imply at all. It heavily indicates Maria's sister was born well after Maria was on the Ark already.
what i want to know is how is omega, orbot, cubot, Maria, Gerald, and big not frozen in time like the others
The "frozen in time" thing only happens up until the point where they are released. Except in the case of Maria and Gerald, we don't see any of them before they appear, so we could believe they are, in fact, frozen in time just like everyone else, the only difference is we don't see them until then.
Maria and Gerald however are special--they're brought in due to the machinations of Black Doom (accidentally). They come from a totally different time period from everyone else. They also vanish as soon as Black Doom is defeated, rather than when Time Eater is defeated. So that's probably why they are free from the beginning. Omega, Orbot, Cubot, and Big, however, likely were frozen in time until Shadow cleared out the stages, we just don't "see" them frozen in time the same way the characters were in Sonic Generations.
@JaidynReiman I see that makes sense thanks for that
Bro I love Omega