I try to get around this by asking if they want a full presentation or a quick summary with pertinent positives at the beginning but just asking that you sometimes get berated for not magically knowing which one beforehand.
4th year med student here; just got marked down on my last eval by my preceptor on my ENT rotation for not being sufficiently thorough on my presentations exactly 2 weeks after being marked down on my previous eval by my FM preceptor for being too slow and overly detailed on my presentations, so this may just be the most relatable youtube video I've ever seen.
Effortless comment made by verified person getting top comment. Classic Also, you dont know if it's "the most accurate thing". In fact, you dont even half understand the video.
@@nickxenix yup, what they meant was “I don’t actually know what I’m talking about, nor am I a med student but let me post this random comment that doesn’t add anything relevant to the video so I can farm likes”
This actually frustrated me a lot. Students are expected to morph into every attending's preference. One tells you you're a student you have to present the full picture so that we know you can do it while another says they only want to know what's important to save time and so they know you know how to hone in on important changes/events.
In my view, the ideal situation is to have a preceptor or superior with whom you initially build that trust with fully detailed presentations..then later they tell you to speed along because they’re confident in your work-up.
Yeah because in a clinical setting you're always going to know exactly what the right answer is and you're never going to have to tailor your approach, presentation or demeanor to a particular patient, family or stakeholder. Your teachers are there to make it easier for you, not challenge you to think quickly and react professionally.
@Tell me your worries. Caz am listening. A "Scribe" is someone who types up the patient & provider interaction to create an account or "note" for the patient's medical record for each visit. Ex., What the problem is, exam findings, diagnose(s), and plan ... etc. These "notes" can be several typed pages in length and if I'm being real honest most providers are NOT so fortunate as to have the luxury of a "scribe." 😭
I remember consulting with my doctor and watching the scribe write. I must’ve said something significant because after giving a one word answer, the scribe’s fingers went into overdrive.
Don't worry sir. I played league of legends for years. I've already accepted and embraced what a stupid useless fool I am. Mold me, I am hollow and empty, clay waiting to be shaped into something of value
My personal motto is "Never again in your life will so many people be so adamant that all your best efforts amount to the lowest of the low, and that in the deepest recesses of your mind shall you know that they are right."
Except they don't mold you. You're an adult learner...mold yourself. Meanwhile, I the attending am going to leave at 3:30 in the afternoon while you beg for some mentoring from an overtired senior resident.
Most of my family are doctors or lawyers, and the bulk of them have God complexes. Society expects more than they can give, and I think that's a common coping mechanism. I don't know; I'm only a teacher.
The profession attracts narcissistic psychopaths that like the power trip so I'm not really surprised. Doctors deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule
I feel so sorry for you guys, our teaching is nothing like that, we are generally encouraged and gently corrected and if the occasional consultant is particularly tough on us there's generally a junior doc with a friendly hand on your shoulder and a bit of helpful advice afterwards. Most of the time the senior staff treats us like overexcited puppies. They let us play under supervision, laugh when we fall on our faces and occasionally give us a smile when we actually manage to do the trick and not hilariously fail for a change. It's stressful enough as it is, I can't imagine trying to also cope with everyone being a dick for the sake of being a dick as well. They do put on more pressure the later in your training you are but unless you end up in a horrible department it's generally always positive, encouraging, "We know this is tough as hell so we'll support you, even when we have to push you" kind of pressure.
My electronics teachers always fucked with you. You answer a question right and if you didn't sound 100% sure they started to make you feel like you just talked a bunch of bullshit and try to fuck with you. That's how I learned how much bullshit you can get away with if you're confident. The worst thing is they wouldn't stop. One time the guy fucked with me for over 2 hours in front of blackboard then we had a break and when he came back he forgot what he asked me and asked something new and continued to fuck with me for another hour. Good times
@@sammythedragon hah! In school there are so many toxic teachers. In middle school we had a teacher kind of like him and she thought she knew better and was better and sometimes would pick on us, she literally made a classmate cry. It's a story of what she did to me ( if you want to know, if you don't want to hear it you don't need to read it): she put me read in french ( she's a french teacher) and my pronunciation wasn't so good but she wasn't correcting me and I didn't think it was that bad. She said that was all bad ( in a meaner way) and I thought she just let me embarass myself like that and made a fool of me like not correct me to tell me how bad I am and insult me afterwards so I started shaking a little bit ( probably because of anxiety, she literally made me feel so bad and anxious) and she noticed and she was like it was not my fault ( she didn't say this, what she said was just like not taking accountability of her actions and blaming me, I don't remember what she said tho). In my mind I was like you're the teacher, it's your job to correct me, why'd you just listen and say nothing just to make fun of me!?! In highschool now we have another toxic teacher but like not in this way. And a lot of ignorant ones.
This is so damn relatable. When we started learning history taking, every doctor told us about their way of history taking, they were like: you should tell this first, then this and then that. So we’d change our history according to those instructions. Then the next doctor would come and tell us our presentation was wrong and we should do it all over again according to their instructions. And this happened over and over again.
This happened to me just last week. As a sixth year medical student, the resident managed to make me feel like that day was my first clinical rotation. Just because I decided to present the history and examination exactly how the consultant in that unit said he wanted it some weeks before. The resident flipped and said I cannot possibly be a sixth year presenting a history so disorganized, when I told her that the consultant had demanded that we do it that way, she said "That's a lie, he couldn't have possibly said that", because apparently she knows (more than himself) how he likes to take his history.
yes! I'm in year two of preclinical, and half the teachers want lengthy, in-depth case presentations with all the antécédents, positives and negatives and family status, and others pretty much just want us to say the ID, age, and diagnosis. They all say that their way is the correct way to present a case.
think smetimes you can kind of see which subspecialties want what. like surgeons & o&g doctors mostly want shorter summarised presentations whereas internal medicine, infectious disease those guys probably want something more lengthy. but i get it haha been through those years of medical school and the profs are never satisfied
I get the time crunch issue. And it really depends on the call. Sometimes a call is so routine, that it's kind of a chore to listen to the whole thing when you're busy and just trying to filter for things that are important. So, that's what I try to do. I try to quickly say what I think is going on with the patient and what findings have led me to have those concerns. Then, I quickly say every treatment I've given and anything else that's unique and important about the patient.
Oh my Mr. Jones has so much wrong with him. It is a miracle he is still alive. Really so amusing. Oh my he must be receiving so much attention from fourth year student. Doc needs to encourage and guide students to ensure they learn without being scolded. Aggressive and lack of patience is what makes some professionals arrogant and power struck. Encouraging and inspiring is the way to go. A good teacher is one with ability to get results. Thank you so very much. Kindest regards
OMG this is SO ACCURATE!! Every professor has different standards and it's literally so hard keeping up with them, whenever they tell me "the history is very detailed OR the history should be more detailed" in my head I'm like "make up your mind people, can't anyone set some standards for it, I have a ton of other work to do as well🤦♀️🤦♀️"
The last "OF COURSE" had me in the feels. It's like, you know it's not your fault but you still cannot explain or defend yourself. You just feel like imploding 😩
How true how true! My husband went through all of that so many years ago! He would come home from work and tell me about it. So deflating but then again he did learn. He had great patience with up-and-coming young people, and they loved him as a professor!
If you'll tell us his specialty and the area of the country he lives in I'll be sure and look him up if I need that sort of care. Because someone like that is a wonderful doctor to have. I'll bet he has enough humility still to want to keep learning his whole life, to consult others when he needs to, and even (gasp!) listens to the patient! And although all professionals sometimes let journals stack up unread because of how little free time they have, he probably cracks one open now and then.
Its hard but when a single patient says thanks may God bless you. That just makes it all seem worth it. So everyone out therr remember to say thanks and praise all health care workers. It makes us happy
Very true and frustrating for the student. It does help a student compare/contrast different lines of thought in practicing medicine and know what's not necessarily needed but helpful info and essential info. It'll help them grow to figure how they would think about practicing medicine. But like most things present need to know to prove your diagnosis concisely and have ready other info just in case its needed.
Even working as a substitute preschool teacher's assistant feels like this sometimes. Hard to keep track of preferences, even in the day to day lives of toddlers. I can't imagine how much more stressful this is in the medical field. Life and death.
As a sick, rare illness, & one of those patient’s that have 2 pages of diagnosis. I am so sorry, I don’t make your guy’s life easy but I’m glad you guys can use me as an example! Lol my hospital is a university so I interact with 4th year’s doctors & nurses all the time. I appreciate all of you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
This is very relatable even as a medical diagnostics student. I get negative comments daily for doing things one way when I'm only doing things that way because someone else gave me negative comments about the previous way I was doing something. Thank God our practical is only one year. I had to return to complete, and it's been the worst two years for my self esteem of my entire life.
Too relatable. I'm a nurse so I usually have to magically know how each doctor wants to have their histories summarized. Although it's no surprise that infectious disease wants everything.
It is so though. Really demeaning atimes. Over here, they usually tell us that in the operating room, the order oh hierarchy is this... The Consultants/Attending The Residents The Medical Officers The House Officers The Cleaners/Janitors The trash basket Then the medical students. This is literally what you hear upon entering the theater the first couple of times.
Wow, Doctors are a special breed. Also everytime I see You I'm reminded I need to go for that follow up colonoscopy! Duodenal ulcer blow out, patch job. Then My aorta blew out so I never got the colonoscopy, but really gotta!
And that constant stress and degradation by professors and physicians I was trying to LEARN from is why I attempted to take my life 2x✨you are never good enough for them even if you can’t imagine doing anything else and you devote your life to the field. It’s hard to see any bright side to the constant abuse and humiliation.
I remember this being mentioned on old doctor shows ER an Scrubs an stuff lol y'all have to learn each doctor and how they want stuff presented and do it their way for them. More power to y'all managing all that and remembering but I guess it gets you ready to be good doctors hopefully.
Literally no matter how you present during Rounds it will also be up to the attendings style and personality. I had preceptors and staff that wanted all the info and to take 3 hours doing Peds Rounds and some that wanted the bare minimum and to be done rounding in 15 minutes. Gotta learn everyone's preference and adapt!
Presenting to physicians is like plugging in a USB stick. You get it wrong the first time, switch it up, get it wrong, then go back to what you did first and it’s right
Ugh preceptors in NP school were the same way. Quite frustrating lol I was stressing more about what they wanted to listen to and less about my assessment and plan 🤦🏾♀️
@@Doc_Schmidt I have a Master's in Linguistics, and I find medical terms fascinating. Then again, I find all language fascinating. However, the prospect of holding people's lives in my hands is terrifying. I don't know how you do it, but I salute you.
TBH knowing what to skip and what to give a little more information about is a skill and really shows that you know which issues are more and less relevant. Of course as an attending I try to acknowledge this and guide the student as to what is relevant or not. The student can’t read your mind.
Ayyy the different faculty different preferences lol. Can relate as a doc from India, it seems like medical fraternity goes through same grind everywhere. Big thanks to you for making such relatable content for us medicos. Sometimes makes me want to try something like this myself, from the medical teaching perspective as I teach anatomy.
I'm a 6th year Med student (last one in Brazil) and this is why Context is King. Watch how the residents and older interns preset their cases and do the same. In my experience, infirmaries are the most academic, ER focuses on clinical state, and ambulatories need concise stories and knowledge of the treatment/diagnostic plan.
And also, although evaluation by tutors is an important measure of progress, as soon as someone starts chewing you out just keep your head down, say "yes sir/ma'am" and ignore the bulls***. Hospital are hierarchic and tense environments, and you are on the bottom rung as an intern. Be nice and quick, stay out of the way, don't talk back and stay close to the good ones. A lot of tutors are powetripping asses, but a lot of them are rolemodels for integrity and kindness.
I can’t believe this is happening around the world. Just sad. How come almost every attending dr. are just like this. We have to dance around their own preferences.
I try to get around this by asking if they want a full presentation or a quick summary with pertinent positives at the beginning but just asking that you sometimes get berated for not magically knowing which one beforehand.
Either way, you will end up being roasted. You can't win with most of them particularly the old ones.
Very true
That sounds like a good approach. The doctors who berate you are jerks, don't let them get to you
Wouldn't be a bad idea to walk around with an iPad giving them the option to select which one and collect that data to improve pedagogy
Dear god so true. In my head I'm just screaming, "HELP ME, HELP YOU!"
I think the reveal that Mr. Jones is 97 is a new addition to the canon!
Don’t worry he’s a young 97
@@Doc_Schmidt He has the fewest birthdays of anyone who is 97
Is his date of birth February 29th?
@@Doc_Schmidt lol!😅😂😂🤣
@@Doc_Schmidt the only 97 year old whos only had 80 birthdays
4th year med student here; just got marked down on my last eval by my preceptor on my ENT rotation for not being sufficiently thorough on my presentations exactly 2 weeks after being marked down on my previous eval by my FM preceptor for being too slow and overly detailed on my presentations, so this may just be the most relatable youtube video I've ever seen.
That sucks so much
Oh my god you poor thing. :/
I don't work in the medical field but at that point I would be going to HR
@@Freek314 No such thing 😂 Simply crying yourself to sleep is infinitely more beneficial
@@thunderstar254 he can always use that extra sleep
This may be the most accurate thing
really? man it must be hard..
oh also here before 250 likes
Effortless comment made by verified person getting top comment. Classic
Also, you dont know if it's "the most accurate thing". In fact, you dont even half understand the video.
@@munkeyi do you not understand what the verified person meant by "may"?
@@nickxenix I'm so sosososo sorry please spare my life 🙏🙏🙏
@@nickxenix yup, what they meant was “I don’t actually know what I’m talking about, nor am I a med student but let me post this random comment that doesn’t add anything relevant to the video so I can farm likes”
This actually frustrated me a lot. Students are expected to morph into every attending's preference. One tells you you're a student you have to present the full picture so that we know you can do it while another says they only want to know what's important to save time and so they know you know how to hone in on important changes/events.
In my view, the ideal situation is to have a preceptor or superior with whom you initially build that trust with fully detailed presentations..then later they tell you to speed along because they’re confident in your work-up.
Yeah because in a clinical setting you're always going to know exactly what the right answer is and you're never going to have to tailor your approach, presentation or demeanor to a particular patient, family or stakeholder. Your teachers are there to make it easier for you, not challenge you to think quickly and react professionally.
@@EPlace11 sounds good. Thank you.
@@jamespfitz I think you might have missed the point of the video.
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I’m a nurse and whenever we’ve got med students I try my best to give them a recap on what each doctor likes to hear 💗 no one likes being THAT student
You're awsome just know
bless you❤️
Ahhhh I need to ask the nurses… thanks a heap…
You're a saviour.
❤❤❤
Now imagine being the scribe that has to magically know how all of the doctors want their stuff done 💀 it was awful
AWe MaN
@@2Bad4YOUuu wow..what is a scribe? Nurse?
@Tell me your worries. Caz am listening. A "Scribe" is someone who types up the patient & provider interaction to create an account or "note" for the patient's medical record for each visit. Ex., What the problem is, exam findings, diagnose(s), and plan ... etc.
These "notes" can be several typed pages in length and if I'm being real honest most providers are NOT so fortunate as to have the luxury of a "scribe." 😭
I remember consulting with my doctor and watching the scribe write. I must’ve said something significant because after giving a one word answer, the scribe’s fingers went into overdrive.
I feel that
Don't worry sir. I played league of legends for years. I've already accepted and embraced what a stupid useless fool I am. Mold me, I am hollow and empty, clay waiting to be shaped into something of value
"You can't hurt me I play League of Legends" XD
Bold of you to assume you can ever be something of value
My personal motto is "Never again in your life will so many people be so adamant that all your best efforts amount to the lowest of the low, and that in the deepest recesses of your mind shall you know that they are right."
That's deep, I feel that champ
Except they don't mold you. You're an adult learner...mold yourself. Meanwhile, I the attending am going to leave at 3:30 in the afternoon while you beg for some mentoring from an overtired senior resident.
Sounds like that attending has been relying on residents and medical students for too long.
Exactly
Attendings like these are useless.
I feel like, sadly, many teachers in medical school think that scolding equals teaching.
Most of my family are doctors or lawyers, and the bulk of them have God complexes. Society expects more than they can give, and I think that's a common coping mechanism. I don't know; I'm only a teacher.
The profession attracts narcissistic psychopaths that like the power trip so I'm not really surprised. Doctors deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule
Always wrong! If you can be broken, you should be broken at this point…that philosophy is shared by the seniors of several professions.
I feel so sorry for you guys, our teaching is nothing like that, we are generally encouraged and gently corrected and if the occasional consultant is particularly tough on us there's generally a junior doc with a friendly hand on your shoulder and a bit of helpful advice afterwards. Most of the time the senior staff treats us like overexcited puppies. They let us play under supervision, laugh when we fall on our faces and occasionally give us a smile when we actually manage to do the trick and not hilariously fail for a change. It's stressful enough as it is, I can't imagine trying to also cope with everyone being a dick for the sake of being a dick as well. They do put on more pressure the later in your training you are but unless you end up in a horrible department it's generally always positive, encouraging, "We know this is tough as hell so we'll support you, even when we have to push you" kind of pressure.
@@sammythedragon lol med students and engineering students treated as people? that’s a utopian dream
My electronics teachers always fucked with you. You answer a question right and if you didn't sound 100% sure they started to make you feel like you just talked a bunch of bullshit and try to fuck with you. That's how I learned how much bullshit you can get away with if you're confident. The worst thing is they wouldn't stop. One time the guy fucked with me for over 2 hours in front of blackboard then we had a break and when he came back he forgot what he asked me and asked something new and continued to fuck with me for another hour. Good times
@@TheMcAraber that’s just engineering professors in a nutshell
@@sammythedragon hah! In school there are so many toxic teachers. In middle school we had a teacher kind of like him and she thought she knew better and was better and sometimes would pick on us, she literally made a classmate cry. It's a story of what she did to me ( if you want to know, if you don't want to hear it you don't need to read it): she put me read in french ( she's a french teacher) and my pronunciation wasn't so good but she wasn't correcting me and I didn't think it was that bad. She said that was all bad ( in a meaner way) and I thought she just let me embarass myself like that and made a fool of me like not correct me to tell me how bad I am and insult me afterwards so I started shaking a little bit ( probably because of anxiety, she literally made me feel so bad and anxious) and she noticed and she was like it was not my fault ( she didn't say this, what she said was just like not taking accountability of her actions and blaming me, I don't remember what she said tho). In my mind I was like you're the teacher, it's your job to correct me, why'd you just listen and say nothing just to make fun of me!?!
In highschool now we have another toxic teacher but like not in this way. And a lot of ignorant ones.
That's so accurate. No one is ever satisfied with the history that med students present.
This is so damn relatable. When we started learning history taking, every doctor told us about their way of history taking, they were like: you should tell this first, then this and then that. So we’d change our history according to those instructions. Then the next doctor would come and tell us our presentation was wrong and we should do it all over again according to their instructions. And this happened over and over again.
This happened to me just last week.
As a sixth year medical student, the resident managed to make me feel like that day was my first clinical rotation.
Just because I decided to present the history and examination exactly how the consultant in that unit said he wanted it some weeks before. The resident flipped and said I cannot possibly be a sixth year presenting a history so disorganized, when I told her that the consultant had demanded that we do it that way, she said "That's a lie, he couldn't have possibly said that", because apparently she knows (more than himself) how he likes to take his history.
@@dennisdaniel1314 i feel you. And I hate it when the residents are being jerks, at least they shouldn’t forget how it feels to be a med student. 🥲
@@fatimazahoor_freepalestine It's almost as if they forget when they leave medical school
@@dennisdaniel1314 The abused becomes the abuser like life in general...Sad but True 😞
@@vivek27789 like a vicious cycle.
Meanwhile, an intern: probably saved my dad's life when the actual doctors with experience had no idea what was happening
yes! I'm in year two of preclinical, and half the teachers want lengthy, in-depth case presentations with all the antécédents, positives and negatives and family status, and others pretty much just want us to say the ID, age, and diagnosis. They all say that their way is the correct way to present a case.
think smetimes you can kind of see which subspecialties want what. like surgeons & o&g doctors mostly want shorter summarised presentations whereas internal medicine, infectious disease those guys probably want something more lengthy. but i get it haha been through those years of medical school and the profs are never satisfied
Narcissism in doctors. Everyone think they are the best.
As a paramedic, I can really relate to this when giving reports.
But they just stop listening instead of getting upset.
It’s pretty hard to gauge cause the report we want is very much depending on our level of trust in your assessment and how long we have.
I get the time crunch issue.
And it really depends on the call. Sometimes a call is so routine, that it's kind of a chore to listen to the whole thing when you're busy and just trying to filter for things that are important.
So, that's what I try to do. I try to quickly say what I think is going on with the patient and what findings have led me to have those concerns. Then, I quickly say every treatment I've given and anything else that's unique and important about the patient.
That's when you cuss the doctor out or say fuck the doctor and walk away. Let the prick search for you if they want to know something.
Oh my Mr. Jones has so much wrong with him. It is a miracle he is still alive. Really so amusing. Oh my he must be receiving so much attention from fourth year student. Doc needs to encourage and guide students to ensure they learn without being scolded. Aggressive and lack of patience is what makes some professionals arrogant and power struck. Encouraging and inspiring is the way to go. A good teacher is one with ability to get results. Thank you so very much. Kindest regards
OMG this is SO ACCURATE!! Every professor has different standards and it's literally so hard keeping up with them, whenever they tell me "the history is very detailed OR the history should be more detailed" in my head I'm like "make up your mind people, can't anyone set some standards for it, I have a ton of other work to do as well🤦♀️🤦♀️"
The last "OF COURSE" had me in the feels.
It's like, you know it's not your fault but you still cannot explain or defend yourself.
You just feel like imploding 😩
Why have mentally stable medical professionals when we can... not?
🤣🤣😢 noooOOº
*big brain time*
That’s when you say “forget this” and become the psychiatrist 😂
Very smart making the camera higher on student to make him look smaller, and lower on the residents to make them look bigger/in charge
even when you’re right, you’re wrong
Right is wrong
How true how true! My husband went through all of that so many years ago! He would come home from work and tell me about it. So deflating but then again he did learn. He had great patience with up-and-coming young people, and they loved him as a professor!
If you'll tell us his specialty and the area of the country he lives in I'll be sure and look him up if I need that sort of care. Because someone like that is a wonderful doctor to have. I'll bet he has enough humility still to want to keep learning his whole life, to consult others when he needs to, and even (gasp!) listens to the patient! And although all professionals sometimes let journals stack up unread because of how little free time they have, he probably cracks one open now and then.
no matter how hard you try or how well you do, sometimes you just cant win
Mr Jones is 97? He should be studied, actually, as he’s got glitches in every system, and he’s still here. Mostly.
Hahaha...gold. :D
I respect every qualified Doctors. Their level of intelligence is top notch.
Intern was once criticized by senior attending for not carefully testing sensation on the skin of the face. It was key...the pt. had leprosy.
Its hard but when a single patient says thanks may God bless you. That just makes it all seem worth it. So everyone out therr remember to say thanks and praise all health care workers. It makes us happy
Very true and frustrating for the student. It does help a student compare/contrast different lines of thought in practicing medicine and know what's not necessarily needed but helpful info and essential info. It'll help them grow to figure how they would think about practicing medicine. But like most things present need to know to prove your diagnosis concisely and have ready other info just in case its needed.
I'm having flashbacks of war just by watching how accurate this is LMAOOOOOO
PTSD. Severe PTSD.
He understands us so well.
The medical student's eyes are so sparkly
Even working as a substitute preschool teacher's assistant feels like this sometimes. Hard to keep track of preferences, even in the day to day lives of toddlers. I can't imagine how much more stressful this is in the medical field. Life and death.
The rest of the gang's there confused AF, because everyone else is Highkey impressed.
As a sick, rare illness, & one of those patient’s that have 2 pages of diagnosis. I am so sorry, I don’t make your guy’s life easy but I’m glad you guys can use me as an example! Lol my hospital is a university so I interact with 4th year’s doctors & nurses all the time. I appreciate all of you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Very accurate for nursing students as well. Same with nurses calling MD’s.
This really frustrated me as a medical student, even as a practicing junior, you have to switch to every senior's preference. Bs
feel this as a nurse working with surgeons
WORD.
Talking to infectious diseases really makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
What
@@pyritepanx fallout reference
Makes me honestly glad I left biology in high school lol 💀 Props to all the doctors and nurses and other medical staff you are just amazing 💜💜💜
This is the most relatable video I have ever seen!
We all go through this as doctors. No one is perfect.
This may be the most accurate thing I've ever watched.
This is very relatable even as a medical diagnostics student. I get negative comments daily for doing things one way when I'm only doing things that way because someone else gave me negative comments about the previous way I was doing something.
Thank God our practical is only one year. I had to return to complete, and it's been the worst two years for my self esteem of my entire life.
I even feel this way as an RN speaking to the Doc. Like one of you wants it all and the other is upset that I gave an SBAR.
To all you med students out there
You're working hard, stay strong
Fu****g accurate af!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is GOLD, wish there was a download button!
Too relatable. I'm a nurse so I usually have to magically know how each doctor wants to have their histories summarized. Although it's no surprise that infectious disease wants everything.
By 4th year I got into the habit of asking if they wanted a summary or the full presentation.
Saw this twist coming from a mile away 😂😅😤 but I am utterly grateful for this RUclips shirt!
I'm with ID here, the first doctor ended up not knowing why the patient was in hospital.
I love the camera angles in this skit.
It is interesting how the attendings are looking down to the med students. The students have to look up as if they are talking to a king
It is so though. Really demeaning atimes.
Over here, they usually tell us that in the operating room, the order oh hierarchy is this...
The Consultants/Attending
The Residents
The Medical Officers
The House Officers
The Cleaners/Janitors
The trash basket
Then the medical students.
This is literally what you hear upon entering the theater the first couple of times.
Wow, Doctors are a special breed. Also everytime I see You I'm reminded I need to go for that follow up colonoscopy! Duodenal ulcer blow out, patch job. Then My aorta blew out so I never got the colonoscopy, but really gotta!
This whole industry sounds like a total fucking nightmare
And that constant stress and degradation by professors and physicians I was trying to LEARN from is why I attempted to take my life 2x✨you are never good enough for them even if you can’t imagine doing anything else and you devote your life to the field. It’s hard to see any bright side to the constant abuse and humiliation.
Hi , I hope you are doing good now
When I'm being too detailed they just get up and say lets go see the patient while im still busy with my presentation😪
I feel that. Once person wants you to be fast and do it one way, and then another doesn't. Frustrating and mentally straining.
I'm so glad captions are common now
Oh man, this is so spot on 😂
I remember this being mentioned on old doctor shows ER an Scrubs an stuff lol y'all have to learn each doctor and how they want stuff presented and do it their way for them. More power to y'all managing all that and remembering but I guess it gets you ready to be good doctors hopefully.
Literally no matter how you present during Rounds it will also be up to the attendings style and personality. I had preceptors and staff that wanted all the info and to take 3 hours doing Peds Rounds and some that wanted the bare minimum and to be done rounding in 15 minutes. Gotta learn everyone's preference and adapt!
4th year here
This is actually the whole frigging conversation I just had minus oxygen 🙃
Best part is when he was reading the chronic stuff i blinked snd thought he grew a beard then
at this point might as well with the longass medical history xd
Clicked on the video before the thumbnail arrived :-D
How dare you 😋
Presenting to physicians is like plugging in a USB stick. You get it wrong the first time, switch it up, get it wrong, then go back to what you did first and it’s right
Ugh preceptors in NP school were the same way. Quite frustrating lol I was stressing more about what they wanted to listen to and less about my assessment and plan 🤦🏾♀️
I wish I spoke doctor
It’s overrated
Heard
@@Doc_Schmidt I wish I didn't need to despher it with zero help bc my grandma was an rn of 50 years... all her handwriting is jargon 😭
Lol! Try READING doctor. I've had to translate for my mom since I was in elementary school.
@@Doc_Schmidt I have a Master's in Linguistics, and I find medical terms fascinating. Then again, I find all language fascinating. However, the prospect of holding people's lives in my hands is terrifying. I don't know how you do it, but I salute you.
You're doing it wrong, and you should have known that ahead of time.
That's the lesson I learned first week of med school clinical rotations.
Actually faced the very same issue just recently, but then again most OPD and ER cases need a very brief summary of their history, PE and labs.
This is bringing back so many memories 😬
I understand noting from you’re videos but I love them
TBH knowing what to skip and what to give a little more information about is a skill and really shows that you know which issues are more and less relevant. Of course as an attending I try to acknowledge this and guide the student as to what is relevant or not. The student can’t read your mind.
This hits too close to home, You can never do a perfect presentation in medical school and the sooner you realize that the better.
Ayyy the different faculty different preferences lol. Can relate as a doc from India, it seems like medical fraternity goes through same grind everywhere.
Big thanks to you for making such relatable content for us medicos.
Sometimes makes me want to try something like this myself, from the medical teaching perspective as I teach anatomy.
THOSE WERE DIFFICULT DAYS MY FRIENDS !!!!
Hope you all live a long and successful life!
One doesn't own emotion, and when one is owned by emotion, it's a reflection of one's belief that one owns them🎈
I’m an engineer but that “oh but of course” destroyed me.
damn I'm never saying sorry for a mistake i didn't make lol . the med student did too much of a good job the first time
Poor Mr. Jones - he can’t seem to catch a break.
I'm a 6th year Med student (last one in Brazil) and this is why Context is King. Watch how the residents and older interns preset their cases and do the same. In my experience, infirmaries are the most academic, ER focuses on clinical state, and ambulatories need concise stories and knowledge of the treatment/diagnostic plan.
And also, although evaluation by tutors is an important measure of progress, as soon as someone starts chewing you out just keep your head down, say "yes sir/ma'am" and ignore the bulls***.
Hospital are hierarchic and tense environments, and you are on the bottom rung as an intern. Be nice and quick, stay out of the way, don't talk back and stay close to the good ones. A lot of tutors are powetripping asses, but a lot of them are rolemodels for integrity and kindness.
Yeah... this is a case of "In in charge, and I had to suffer. So, I'm going to make you suffer too, just cause. "
as 3rd prof med student I can confirm that professors are never satisfied with us students💀💀
I felt this one in my soul... Something's always missing or wrong🤦♀️🤦♀️
This is so damn true, even in nursing. Docs want different info, patients expect different shit. It’s like ughhhh
Boy did that go over my head.
God this bring back the memories........
Mr.Jones, the most prominent "visitor" of the hospital known as your home.
Love your Videos. Everyday you make me glad I stayed with E.E and didn't go Pre Med lol 🤣🤣
Oh thanks i feel better now after knowing this is a universal truth
Smart man says big words… good video
how this is strictly true is freaking me out 🤣🤣
Mr. Jones has gone through so much..
When I heard "infectious disease," I knew where this was going.
"We have an elderly trainwreck patient...:
60% through and I zoned out because it felt like a fever dream, idk about going to medical school now
"And what chronic problems does he have?"
"Yes."
This stings too much bc of how accurate it is
I can’t believe this is happening around the world. Just sad. How come almost every attending dr. are just like this. We have to dance around their own preferences.