It was confirmed gow3 is stronger hacks and old kratos is stronger physically and mentally it was stated multiple times😂. Did you even contradict yourself at the end you said that young Kratos were stronger but then you said he wasn’t
Thinking about it logically as well, the Greek gods were never really challenged. There were basically 2 events where they had to contend with forces that rivaled them, and the second time was Kratos, who wiped them out. The Aesir had 8 whole realms to conquer, and at least 3 of them had beings that rivaled the aesir in power, and then Odin was always paranoid about the Prophecy of Ragnarok, so he kept pushing them to be stronger and stronger.
@@TheeJonesssBro said “in real life” as if mfs are over here powerscaling and comparing old Greek and Norse gods😭. And no stop lying it’s never been confirmed that the Greeks were stronger in universe.
It's important to note that Norse Kratos is confirmed by multiple sources to hold back his rage considerably, meaning that his true power has been used very rarely or not at all since he tries to control himself. That's why he goes from losing to Thor to knocking his teeth out when he loses control. Kratos spends a vast majority of the Norse games holding back.
Even though holding back in some moments is a horrible idea and could lead to death, he still holds back. His discipline is indeed insane to stay consistent with holding back throughout.
@@vngaming255Kratos knows he can't die He actually can't die He killed the sisters of fate He has the power of hope He literally escape death or Hades in GOW 3
@@willsmith6530 don’t worry, he said kratos is stronger because of family and followed as well by Bruno backing it up. But in terms of power and lore, his younger self has an edge in everything he took in Greece despite older kratos being stronger in strength.
@@mvp746how I saw it like a young snake compared to a mature snake, young snake is weaker but will deliver more venom when they bite someone because they’re inexperienced, which would technically make them more Dangerous than an adult snake tht knows how much venom to deliver, even though it is stronger it’s more reserved and knows when to turn it up, unlike the young snake that is at 100 at all times.
I have not seen the video but from the comments i can tell its garbage,and i had a feeling it would be so i avoided it to not get mad Either way this guy at the top comments here called @ALMSIVI is absolutely right about what he is saying. The whole Thor fight basically has Thor say that GoW3 is bloody legendary,thats who he heard about and who he wanted to see."Even this lesser version of you"-Thor Eric Williams,the director of Ragnarok said that after training in Fimblewinter Kratos is back at his former strength. The narrative blatantly says that the punch that broke Thors tooth was a GoW3 level punch Baldur being stronger than any opponent has been debunked to death, including in that comment i talked about. NO ONE,and i mean NO DEV whatsoever said Old Kratos has more brute physical strength than GoW3 Kratos(although by power scaling he is stronger than GoW1+2 Kratos) Corys statement is incredibly vague and it spoke about who would win,which is different than who is stronger, strength is just one aspect. George Foreman was far stronger than Ali and look what happened. Fans kept spreading the myth that the" devs said Old Kratos is far stronger cause gods get stronger with age" That has literally NEVER happened. Its explained in the novels that gods get stronger through prayers. Regardless Kratos isnt a full god like those. According to the GoW2 novel after he took the Blade back he would have all his godly physical strength but he wouldn't be a god in status Kratos is definitely more than a demigod in status but he isnt a 100% god. Ares and Kratos in Rhodes could do stuff like descent from the skies in flames. Are could levitate and shoot fire balls from his hands. Kratos is stronger than pure blooded gods but in status he is inferior. Zeus godhood was far more potent,who could do basically anything including create clones and new abilities on the fly. Kratos was stronger and more skilled. Cory Barlog said a mortal part still dwells within Kratos,which causes him anger he keeps in check. Kratos IS a god but the term is very vague in the Norse games,all kinds of half breed hybrids with lots of strength are referred to as gods. A god in general yes,a pure god like Zeus, Poseidon,Hades,Ares etc definitely not after the opening of GoW2. Matter of fact we have never actually played a full god Kratos,he only appeared for that first cutscene in GoW2 When GoW Ragnarok Kratos goes all out he has the same strength as GoW3 Kratos. Problem is he only went all out when he broke Thors tooth and likely when he was on top of Heimdall chocking him,both were huge moments and a big deal in the story. The writers let you know when it happens,they show his face upclose having the classic scowl from the Greek Games(especially as he chokes Heimdall he shows that GoW3 angry face,its very intentianal,the camera focuses on it) Old Kratos at 100%>>>>>>>>>>>Old Kratos normally/initially. And he starts from this baseline level and builds up to his full the more he is forced to. But almost always he is at baseline,he propably was at 70% in the second fight with Thor cause he was serious but holding back and Mimir says "Stay in control of it brother!" if you go into Spartan Rage,implying that he was starting to get close to his full power So no one is stronger than each other as of NOW. GoW Ragnarok(100%)~GoW3 Kratos Same strength,and again its literally what the director of Ragnarok said As for Greek Gods vs Norse Gods Their physical stats are similar,and even the devs said that the pantheons are comparable. The Greek gods have more variety in abilities and more powerful abilities. The Norse Gods have stronger MAGIC, but magic is something that is learned or acquired. Zeus for example wasnt a magic user,those were his natural abilities,they were tied to his psysiology. Odin being stated as having the most powerful magic only places his magic above other magic users,like Freya. Same way Thors lightning wasn't magic, lightning naturally cursed through his body.To the point the devs said his internal lightning consumed his body after he died. Time to compare the Gods. Zeus is stated as being propably stronger than Thor. Odin and Zeus are implied to be comparable on 3 seperate statements,albeit one dev said Zeus would win. So Zeus>~Odin(due to his magic,his physical stats are far behind) The dev that said this is the director of Valhalla,dev Bruno. He said that Zeus and Odin would be a good match due to their similar positions Zeus is stated as being stronger than Baldur NO CONTEST by Bruno. Meaning Zeus is massively stronger than Baldur Using Brunos logic of positions Tyr would be comparable to Ares,who is probably like 1/3 or 1/4th the strength of Zeus if i am being honest Kratos was at only his baseline strength against Tyr,said baseline Kratos was mocked and killed by a casual Thor. Thor was laughing at this output According to dev Bruno Thor vs Poseidon a very debatable fight. Poseidon is canonically SLIGHTLY more powerful than Hades and the novels say the two brothers fight all the time without very clear result. Thors blows are stated AS strong AS ANY. This statement doesnt mean he is stronger,such wording only means Thor is on the same level as the strongest of Gods,which is true. Zeus only being PROPABLY stronger than Thor should give Thor the edge over Poseidon who is undisputably weaker than Zeus GoW3 Kratos~GoW Ragnarok Kratos(100%)>=Zeus>~Odin>>Thor>~Poseidon>=Hades>Holding Back Kratos>Ares~Tyr~Baldur How is Baldur only Ares level?! In the GoW2018 novel Kratos says that he" could have pulverized all of Baldurs bones in an instant if he was the god he once was" Thats the massive difference between baseline Kratos and full power Kratos Basically the novel says Kratos could have just oneshotted Baldur in the second fight. Even Odin cant be above the Greek Pantheon simply becausw Mimir said "Odin would conquer every realm on every land if he COULD" Odin clearly knows a lot about Zeus etc. If even Odin was more powerful we know he would have conquered the Greek realm. Odin was cautious of Kratos from even before 2018 cause he knew Kratos killed the Greek Gods Odin more than likely has compared himself to Zeus and believes that if Kratos killed Zeus then he can kill him too IF Kratos loses control. Another dev was also asked if Old Kratos is stronger and he said that Old Kratos gets his strength from the fact that he has a child to protect This confirms that the reason Old Kratos would win comes down to motivation. This statement was supposed to be a follow up to what Cory said. Everything in the games narrative basically tells you that GoW3 Kratos would kill the Norse Gods(although Odin wouldnt go down easy at all).Thats what they are saying to you To say that the Norse Gods are far superior to the Greeks and that Current Kratos has gone far past GoW3 Kratos is completely dishonest and extremely unintellectual. You need to be biased and or stupid,or to have flat out not known anything about the games. Saying that Old Kratos easily stomps GoW3 Kratos when he constantly has issues with lesser opponents is dumb. How is he gonna easily beat his younger self when Thor always gave him a good fight? It IS possible he has some hidden strength he hasnt shown,but the problem is even his strongest moments in Ragnarok are at best equal to his younger prime going by the narrative. Kratos isnt written to be far weaker yes,but he isnt written to be much stronger either. He is written to still have that old power inside him but he holds it locked away Another statement from the artbook also says "Kratos is still a formitable warrior but he restricts himself" Where does it say he is much stronger?It basically says what I am saying
He is only a baseline god, he only kept his Godly Physiology and it's base physical stats (his God of War Strength,etc) Everything else was amped by Magic Powers which are Physical Amps. So he is like nowhere near his GOW3 self. He would scale to his version when fighting the Colossus, when he only had his Godhood and Poseidon Magic also the Blades of Athena which is much more than any weapon from his current arsenal.
Baldur’s “more powerful than any I’ve experienced” statements refers to invulnerability. Odin’s curse statements refers to Kratos’ inability to help freya against his curse (His curses scale much higher than all of his attacks anyway). Thor’s and Tyr’s statements blatantly puts them among the god tier beings in the Greek pantheon (Not stronger or weaker). Primordial foundation is the same across every realm so it’s made clear that the Greek and Norse pantheons are similar in structure for cross verse scaling. Odin being stated to be the most formidable foe is also due to the fact of his strategic and manipulative advantages over Kratos, not just in power. Kratos having to use his most “spartan skills” is in reference to protecting his allies and Atreus. Nothing really states that the Norse gods are stronger than the Greek ones, but more formidable given the narrative of the situation that Kratos is facing. Nothing really contradicts Kratos being nullified other than Cory answering an ambiguous and interpretable question. The GoW 2018 novel also states that Kratos lost musculature and was a shell of his former self. There’s a lot of Greek magic that was so potent that Kratos couldn’t withstand it (Flame of Olympus, Fear, Zeus’s lighting directly, The sisters ability to manipulate fate.)
Actually the sisters of fates couldnt manipulate kratos fate they could only create obstacles by sending certain warriors etc . And this was due to him holding the power of hope he was completely out of the sisters reach . This was further explained in the novels which is why they couldnt just wipe him out existence
@@thegodtier7947 and due to him not being able to put Baldur down for good with his invulnerability. Kratos emphasizes this later on and refers to him as “the man who cannot die.”
Are we all forgetting how Garm appeared to have the ability not just to consume matter, but also to consume and destroy entire concepts. It is noted in-game that there was at one point a season that occurred between Winter and Spring. Garm, however, apparently consumed this season, and now not only does that season no longer exist, but it is no longer identifiable as having ever had a particular nature. Nobody remembers anything specifically about it - not even its name - except knowing for sure that it had at one point existed. It also no longer has any impact upon the rest of reality, as there was apparently no discernable consequences for this season having been erased from existence. This makes Garm perhaps the single most horrifyingly destructive entity in the entire franchise, as he can seemingly consume the informational structure of reality with no apparent constraints. Edit: Garm also consumed a magical word, as well as a PORTION of Midgard.
Kratos has stated that he has killed gods greater than Heimdall and Mimir replies that he doesn't doubt it. It'd be weird to say that Mimir is talking about Baldur, Magni and/or Modi here because he was actually there for those fights (and therefore wouldn't have to consider doubting the validity of Kratos's statement), so Kratos and Mimir were most likely referring to the greek gods. This tells me that some of the greek gods, atleast, scale above Heimdall in terms of power.
Which would make Heimdall at most around Ares’ level, if we were to lowball that statement. Ares was stated to be among the mightiest Olympians; including with the brother kings, so this could unironically make Heimdall around Helios’ lvl and downscale the likes of Valkyries, Baldur, Sigrun and Atreus (at full focus) around the average god level, IF we were to include Ares in that statement. With examples being Thanatos, Hermes and Persephone.
@@ItsButterBean1020 no, it mostly accounts for Cory’s ambiguous tweet regarding 2018 Kratos’ strength which became heavily outdated once Ragnarok came out. It also accounts crossverse powerscaling also, but the directors wouldn’t even know what the fuck any of that is if you were to mention the Yggdrasil’s placement on dimensional tiering. I wouldn’t know what would validate a person’s placement in the verse other than status, when trying to view it through the director’s interpretation.
While I agree that 3 brothers>=Baldur and Heimdall, I feel like Heimdall statement is very misinterpreted. Mimir says "I know, but that's not my point", meaning that just because gods were "greater" than Heimdall, doesn't mean they were "harder to kill".
@@theseeker7692 totallly agree with you. There’s an incentive to Baldur and Heimdall other than just being power houses. All of those aspects apply to Odin, so that’s why in the guidebook, he’s stated to be the most formidable foe that Kratos has to face, in overall circumstances of course. Thor is compared to a group of beings in terms of how powerful he strikes, (meaning he’s on the level of Hercules and Poseidon at least). I don’t think that would apply to Zeus due to the immense gap between any other being in the Greek pantheon and his eminence.
Buddy did NOT just say that the Blade of Olympus is weaker than Mjolnir and that Baldur is stronger than Zeus. Baldur got slammed by a rusty 2018 Kratos (he's rusty according to 5 sources) and Kratos straight up tanked a Mjolnir blow to the face at the end of the game whereas he was heavily restrained in the Midgard fight.
There are some arguments backing up Greek Gods though in the game itself When Mimir discover that Kratos is Zeus son he says "This explains a lot", meaning Zeus is particularly know among the Pantheons to be very powerful And when Kratos talk about having killed stronger Gods than Heimdall Mimir says "I don't doubt that", meaning he isn't speaking of either Magni, Modi or Baldur but Greek ones Plus, Kratos isn't immortal, he just can't die by his own hands as a curse And against Thor he was holding back as Thor himself says
@@vngaming255no kratos immortality is actually related to him not staying dead he keeps coming back ,and if you talking about Greek gods immortality then they cannot die of age and illness only an another powerful being can kill them or a mortal with very powerful hax like POH or weapons like gauntlet of Zeus and blades of chaos, Olympus
Kratos technically ain’t a God though,he just has the powers of one even his age is wierd since he definitely isn’t immortal age wise and will eventually die of age and even if we look past that i dont recall it ever being stated in official material that Gods get stronger over time in GoW Verse,i believe the misconception comes from Marvel’s Norse Gods that get stronger the older they are,i mean of course they get stronger from when they are born to adulthood but from their old age they remain the same if not weaker and if you got something that proved your statement please send it cuz i have heard some other people also say this with literally 0 proof and always wondered
@@rafi_sensei5421 He also tells Atreus by the end of the game that he(Atreus) is part Giant from Faye’s side and part god and mortal from Kratos’ side,u must have missed that dialogue. and yes he takes the “job” of God of War or Hope the title of it,not its powers or anything and i have been hearing this long before Valhalla came out just thought u had some actual proof its okay not necessarily disagreeing with you bro
Zeus is weaker than baldur? The Brady guide literally states Zeus is getting stronger in there fight and why was not that featured here? Along with the fact he has been empowered or possessed by the concept of fear? He fought a bloodlusted kratos that has all the hax like the primordial flame and all of it can empower said user? Along with hades claws having atlas’s soul? And many more Greek lore has to offer? The blades of chaos houses the power of the primordial chaos so yeah, it’s far more stronger and to say that the Norse can do as well what the Greeks does is just disingenuous as Odin can’t even do it in there fight. Even the difference between gods is different, the Greek gods are connected to reality and when they die, a part of said reality goes with them, even this was more evident in the fact that Zeus eyes are that of the sky, solidifying his own omniscience. Man calling Greek misinterpretations, headcanon, wog statements and saying all of them are debunkable is just funny to be honest when even Norse relies as well on this statement and also Greek statements doesn’t just come from Bruno Velasquez and you even pulled up Cecil Kim and completely disregarded it and from other people that worked in the god of war before like Ariel Lawrence along with there websites like lost world of which explains more of the primordials and the novels with Gaia even saying time is meaningless to them and she is right as she could even into the past, present and future which can give him as well manipulation of it.
@@StefanWinchester and? The Olympian gods are literally immortal and would need a lot more than just mistletoe. And even if baldur can’t die, what can he do beside die all the time? Baldur is like a child compared to the Greek gods whom has done feats even bigger than he did, and also remember Prometheus? Yeah, this is no contest.
The ideas that mjolnir has greater feats than the blade of olympus, and that zeus is weaker than bauldr are ridiculous. BoO ended the great war in one massive expulsion of power, thats above anything from any norse weapon
Goated video, though the Primordials are existing before time would be them existing outside of linear time rather than simply existing in a place that time is 0 and thus Greek Kratos should have immeasurable speed as well. Only real contention I’ve had with the video.
The Primordials existed before creation even existed... not just before 'time' - Kratos doesn't have immeasurable speeds, he has 'irrelevant speed' which means that the concept of speed isn't bound to Kratos... all Primordials especially Thanatos, sisters of fates etc. have 'irrelevant speeds' because they're aren't bound amd transcend concepts such as space, time and dimensionality and that because they existed before creation even existed then you're definitely sure that they aren't bound to the concept of 'speed'
FINALLY A REAL GOW FAN young kratos will literally chew old kratos and the Greeks easily beat the Norse I don’t know how any of this is a debate plus tbh GOW 1-3 kratos was just fun to play i hate this whimpy soft hearted kratos literally ruined why people loved Gow in the first place
@F324. I really appreciate it ma G and just to note something, a lot will say norse kratos is stronger. Well, where is your evidence? Like everything the norse kratos did, the OG kratos can do it easily, yet the only thing they can come up with is the statement of the guy who made him like that like wow so convenient and it's such a shame to see the god of war losing its identity to please new fans
@@morepower6800 EXACTLY people only have 2 reasons of old kratos being stronger 1. Greeks get stronger as they age. 2.the guy who made the game said so. First of all this is a game when you go back and physically play young kratos it just feels wayy better way stronger while in this he’s just slow there’s little to no agility compared to young kratos guy use to be swinging blades and dance battling everyone lol and the owner of the game is of course going to say old kratos is stronger he’s got a game to sell he’s clearly not going to say “oh yeah we made this kratos weaker” that ain’t really a good sales pitch for a person who’s trying to convince people to buy the game
@@morepower6800 plus bro there’s no context like with GOW 1-3 there was soo much context build up people were crazy for the story but this it just went from really high to completely to the floor at least if they had just taken him to Egypt when he was young and destroyed that pantheon and then moved on to Norse met his wife had a child slowly calmed down then fair enough but it weren’t nothing like that he just randomly happened to go Norse and somehow got a wife had a child and become a civilians there’s no literally no context
The Greek Gods tend to have more impressive magic but the Norse Gods can actually fight Kratos. In most boss fights in the original trilogy none of the main Gods seemed to be able to handle Kratos hand to hand.
If based on real life mythology, greek civilization is indeed 1000 years older than norse. But in GoW, Cory stated in his tweet that all mythology origin and foundation begin at the same time, so the Norse gods were already around the same time Greece gods being around, hence why Tyr able to visit other lands before Greece got destroyed as well as his imprisonment. If Kratos is 1000+ years old, he should be older than all Norse gods, but he didn't. 100 years winter had already begun even before Kratos arrival in Norse land
Ya know I always say it like this. It goes back to what Corey Barlog’s statement. Kratos wins no question, Young kratos was a destroyer. Thor is a destroyer. In a sense, Kratos did beat him. Thor resembles that image of himself and Kratos himself sees that. Which is why he gave him that talk after the fight bc he understood him.
Greek kratos folds badly a major part left out is helios being needed to destroy the world piller something that if destroyed would destroy all of creation and helios power was neede to do so yet helios gets negged in gow3 showing how even someone who has the power to destroy creation isn't close to beating greek kratos plus cory isn't valid whatsoever it isnt his choice to decide whis stronger as he didnt make the original games he helped heavily in gow 2 but wasn't very important to the rest of the saga plus cory stated the norse and greek pantheons exist on the same planet which simply cant work as both pantheons have their own reasons wnd origins you cant make the same planet twice in greece primordials after affects created the planet in norway odin did with ymirs corpse cory making a statement that cant be anything but wrong brings all of his statements to question as it shows his willingness to make stuff up on the go ots especially obvious when he states baldur beats zues which is obviously incorrect as baldur is basically fooder having no feats whatsoever compared to zeus who can arguably beat gow3 kratos and he effortlessly created a weapon with his own power capable of one tapping a race of being who can accidentally create infinite dimensions than being able to take numerous stabs from said blade compared to kratos who died to one and nearly died to his second one this also shows zeus superior regeneration abilities being able to basically insta heal from something that one tapped low multiversal beings that trancend beings that transcend space and time itself this alone is all i need to think the greeks solos as a whole the norse also having crazy anti feats like kratos being hurt by rocks or needing spartan rage for a bear or how atreus needs numerous swings with a weapon to break a chest open yet his attacks are seen hurting and affecting odin later on despite atreus getting no canonical power boost this could make the argument odin=chest arguable theres also the statement from kratos that hes fought gods far stronger than heimdall and that thor someone who scales to the tree is only on par with the strength of the Olympians and thor was at first holding back but not after leaving tyrs temple its pretty obvious hes not pulling his swings anymore plus a fully bloodlusted thor got low diffed by a holding back kratos who just wanted to talk and as we see in their first fight kratos losing control for just one hit knocked thors teeth out yet a bloodlusted thor gets folded by the calmest kratos in the series plus the greek pantheon has numerous sclaes putting the Olympians comfortably at multiversal to hyper with kratos and zeus having outer to boundless args without poh or pof the highball overall feats and scaling of the Olympians in tern kratos is easily enough to defeat the aseir that are riddled with biased statements and tons of anti feats and I barely touched on the Olympians individual feats same with the aseir but regardless imo the Olympians/kratos neg i sleep now
@Rdc_Dom the greek primordials are stated to quintessential abstract concepts putting the primordials titans and Olympians easily in outer the Olympians are stated to not be affected by the concepts of time and space therefore transcending them and battle between the titans and the Olympians created eight different concepts the only thing that gets odin in outer is a statement from cory saying yggdrassil transcends concepts and there's not even a consistent argument for him to be above yggdrassil plus the numerous statements in game that put gow3 kratos>gow5 kratos easily plus a statement from kratos himself saying thor someone who can splinter yggdrassil is only on par to the strongest blows he's felt putting a hyper to outer ap character just on par with the Olympians going off inverse statements from characters the Olympians are stronger and young kratos is stronger than old and going off feats and scaling the greek saga is still massively above the only edge the norse saga has is numerous statements from cory saying they're above or equal when there's no evidence to suggest this to be true infact its the complete opposite feats>ingame statements>novel statements>dev statements
@thatguy5583 Bro, I didn't say there was anything wrong with your scaling, just that you misinterpreted the cosmology of the GOW multiverse. Yes, all the mythologies exist on the same earth, but they are separated by dimensional barriers, so each of their creation myths coexist. They are described as being like different galaxies all inhabiting the same physical space. One thing I would add is that Odin does have complex multi - outer scaling via creations feats just like the primordials. Odin in his battle with Ymir the first giant, the tremors of their battle birthed all of creation in the Nordic world. Time, space, reality, and the world tree were all born from this point. Furthermore, Odin created the nine realms from the bones and flesh of Ymir. Odin also scales above Mijolnir via creating a tree that Mijolnir couldn't break. Thor and Mijolnir being able to splinter the world tree down to the root. The world tree being beyond concepts like time and space and also having multiple infinite branches. This very feat Kratos stated himself, "That is madness." However, Mimir also states that the magics Kratos possessed in the Greek were beyond anything he had heard of, Kratos confirms this. So really what I'm getting at is that the heavy hitters of Greece and The Aesir are physically relative but the Greeks surpass them in terms of hax and magics.
@Rdc_Dom I'm aware this comment is outdated honestly the way cory describes the mythologies existing on one planet still dosen't make much sense in all honesty but I'm aware now I was wrong atleast regarding how the mythologies coexist
@@04rugrat Right, go off the creative director's word instead. So what does he say? GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)'' Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.'' Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs.
Young kratos takes the win here, due to his vastly superior hax and equipment, and physical amps would make him stronger. Not only did Old Kratos lose all of the Op equipment and hax he had from Greece( minus the blades of chaos) its stated he’s lost muscle mass. And he implied he’s gotten weaker with the bed time story he gave to Atreus. He is also said to be a shell of his former self. Kratos himself said that he has killed greater gods than Heimdall. And You can get Heimdall above Baldur and somewhat to Thor. The arguments some people may use to say Norse > Greek gods are bad. “Baldur was said to be the strongest Kratos has ever faced”. This is Incorrect Due To MisJudgement, Here are the most relevant Instances 1. It said kratos strength was insufficient to put Baldur down. This is reference to Baldur being cursed with invulnerability. But when Baldur loses it Kratos beats him. 2. Power of Fear Zeus light bolt literally one shotted all of GOW3 Kratos equipment. Equipment far stronger than the blades of chaos which is at least relative to Mjolnir( it is superior). Baldur’s feats in his fight with Kratos don’t compare to what Zeus did. 3. It references Baldur as a mortal Kratos does not know he is a god yet. So the statement isn’t comparing Baldur to Greek gods rather the mortals Kratos has fought. 4. Odin who physically is shown on par with Thor is stated to be physically inferior to Zeus media.discordapp.net/attachments/1026169973934141534/1191558311120748544/IMG_5684.png?ex=65a5e027&is=65936b27&hm=2a97127aa6816d46887e6c595d67273ec1cd29624ea955f52bb039c614222039&. Why would Baldur be > Zeus if he is inferior to Odin ? Odin being stated to be the most formidable enemy Kratos faced is in reference to him being a master manipulator. "Kratos said that Thor's Blows were the strongest he had ever taken." Well, Thor’s blows being as heavy as any Kratos has felt is in reference to the weight of Mjolnir. And Mjolnir again is GOW1 level if you want to say its equal to the blades of chaos( which is stated to be superior).
@@mrbiggielarge agreed but we are still comparing a more experienced and controlled Kratos to a no holds bar Kratos. If older Kratos didn't hold back all the time he'd definitely out-scale younger Kratos with strength alone.
Hang on a second, when you say the bed time story for Atreus, are you referring to the one about the old man who chopped wood? If so, I think you really misinterpreted that story.
Lost all potential credibility when he said Zeus is weaker than Baldur and the blade of Olympus is weaker than Mjolnir. Seems like this dude isn't even a fan of the old games, the way he keeps trying to shit on the fans of them
Baldur and Mjolnir simply have better feats Baldur has blatant relative scaling to old kratos who is stated to be stronger than His younger self the same young kratos that beat up every Greek god without trouble including Zeus the only thing Zeus did was one shot him with his astral form but when kratos got his own power up what happened to Zeus? He got stomped out easily once again which shows that Zeus never really had a chance against kratos yet Baldur is launching a stronger kratos in the air and easily taking kratos to the ground and having kratos limping back to his house when did Zeus do that to a prime kratos and Mjolnir blatantly just murders kratos and even kratos states the Hammer was able to hit him harder than anything his felt kind of implying Mjolnir is one if not the strongest so which feats do you have to put Zeus or the blade of Olympus above Baldur and Mjolnir
Why do I feel like this video was made not only to explain who is stronger, but also the fact is the creator of God of war, like the original creator did not like the direction Kratos was going in. It got a lot of people mad, no angry serious all of the three at once because people were happy that Kratos is changing he’s he’s growing he’s learning he’s learning to be a better father. He’s learning to be a better mentor of a better friend, and he’s trying his best not to give into his violent tendencies. and the creator had the audacity to say Kratos having a son is weak. Wow yeah I’m gonna be honest I’m not god of war, expert or anything like that or the above but I know that if your character remains the same as just gonna get stale, and seeing Kratos grow as a character as a father, as a friend is a nice change of pace, he’s not weak. He’s mature and him learning from his mistakes and growing makes him much stronger and better. I don’t know what’s going on with the original creator but yes, I have to appreciate that. He is the guy who started God of war I won’t forget that but there’s a time in place where you really need to realize your character is growing. You can’t be an angry violent warmonger like he was anyhow have a great day stay safe, peace out.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 yeah that’s why I meant man I’m must’ve forgot to type that when I type in this I know his family makes him stronger and that’s why I like about Kratos that he’s not the same person he is he’s growing and that’s character development which I like
The creator of God of war 2018 has already confirmed old kratos is much stronger and definitely after the events of Ragnarok and Valhalla he easily win this
Because of family, I saw that wog statement followed by Bruno Velazquez but anything else is debatable, the younger kratos still has a case to win this battle concerning he has all the haxes the Greek can offer and despite Norse magic saying it’s more potent, still pales in comparison to Greek magic that as well involves time travel and the very manipulation of it along with all of reality. Even Hyperion, a titan and the former sun god, can create universal weapons with the very power of the primordial flame, can break the very boundary of the mortal realm and the underworld of which atlas was about to do in chains of Olympus, and atlas raw strength can hold the very weight of the entire Greek world comprised of primordial beings having there own dimensions like Morpheus, nyx, Thanatos, chaos as well, along with the realm of the gods and titans.
Also if you finish VALHALLA you can start the game over as YOUNG kratos using the blade of olympus instead of the axe and he the game is soo much easier and it shows that the blade is much much more powerful did you take that into account for this video ??
I mean this video is just you saying Norse are stronger/superior in every way with no ounce of criticism. Despite the video being well informed it reads like you looked for the facts to suit your narrative rather than came in neutral because you prefer the newer Kratos/games. Therefore I'd contest your summery of everything, because you have ignored fair points that contradict the conclusion you came to.
GoW3 Kratos is definitely stronger than GoW4 and GoWR Kratos. For one, Kratos literally lost all of his abilities and hax at the end of GoW3 and Kratos himself said that he lost all of his magical abilities. Also, people like to throw around the “Greek gods get stronger as they age” argument even though it was never stated and we can’t quantify how much stronger they get over time. There’s also multiple sources that state that Kratos was rusty at the beginning of GoW4. If Kratos was just constantly amassing power over time, he wouldn’t have had a problem with Baldur. GoW4 and GoWR Kratos would be above base GoW1 or beginning of GoW2 Kratos at best.
@@vergil2067 Kratos was rusty in the sense that he hasn’t fought an opponent who could match him for a while, that doesn’t mean kratos is physically weaker. Also Cory barlog literally confirmed that Old Kratos would beat his younger self without question, that renders your entire post moot.
Yo bro you forgot another feat for Norse kratos. In the new Valhalla dlc he actually destroys Valhalla (with his bare hands) to save Mimir. That should be at least high multi or low outer
@@n_word_gaming yeah some even try using the Thor split Yggdrasil in the prophesy but it never happened ahhaahahahahahahaah. He was only able to send jormie back in time because of surtr and Asgard being torn asunder bit by bit because they once again faced in the past with said young jormie and they only shook the nine realms and even Thor can’t kill it and funny enough, baldur knocked out an older jormie that is stronger and older later on and they try to make excuses like it was a surprise attack when baldur literally attacked jormie whose punches echoed throughout the body and baldur is like Thor, a guy who gives a flying fuck about stealth and just goes in and this time, the realms didn’t shook so either the tree is selective and shakes it’s ass for Thor or I don’t know what the hell ahahahaahahahahah.
@@n_word_gaming it’s even more funny as well if you heard of the giant starkadr, a general of the giant race with many arms and is strong to make Thor fear and the giants throughout the series are not even like the titans that all of them are heavy hitters, conquerors and warlords, they have a peaceful mindset and are only keen to protecting there own kind and Thor was afraid of it that he had to use lies and propaganda to stir everyone to kill it for him, even so far as saying the giant raped an elven queen of which even is hullshit hahahahhahaha, and funny enough they all fell for it. And he is the strongest god in Norse? The god that people keep yapping about being able to defeat Zeus along with his brothers? Much less the titans, champions, and the primordials? This guy? Seriously his only saving grace is Bruno’s statement about him equal to Poseidon and it’s just sad ahahahhahahahha, the very person the guy in the video is talking about being an unreliable narrator ahahahahahaahah of the irony. People like to hype up the giants as more strong than titans when in reality, the giants are nothing like the titans, they are literally saints compared to the titans and are not even reality benders and people think Thor killing them is a great feat is just facking hilarious ahahhaahhahahaha. If the titans were in the Norse giants place, they would not take this lying down and even storm Asgard and destroy it, and splatter the gumbo drunker into the ground and beat his deadbeat father’s ass to kingdom come as majority of them are literally reality warping warlords and conquerors, even Gaia as well and that woman is the primordial god of life.
Кратос в старых частях: Уничтожает целые горы, выдерживает удары титанов и выбирается из ада как из душа. Кратос в новых играх: О нет, предо мной деревянный куст который меня не пускает по сюжету. Даже супер горящие клинки заоса не могут зжечь жти колючки.
If I recall correctly, Novels of God of War are stated to be secondary canon until the game either backs it up or contradicts it so the idea that Kratos "had never encountered something that potent" and "forced had control over her were far more powerful than any he had experienced before" is strongly contradicted with Mimir telling Kratos that his tales in Greece were exaggerated and being amazed that Greek Gods held "every flavor of magic you can imagine", I like how you call out people bringing out Freya's statements that Norns aren't as versatile as their Greek Counterpart and completely leave out Mimir calling Kratos' tales exaggerated which holds more weight than you think if you look at the context. Please note that Cory Balrog would have had to approve these lines that strongly contradict the novel and him saying Norse Kratos is stronger and with every directors taking over, any new director can choose to contradict previous opinions of Directors, if you're going to use the logic that Norse Kratos wins and Norse Gods win against Greek Kratos and Greek Gods because of what Cory said, I can say the exact same thing favoring Greeks with Eric stating that Kratos isn't as strong as he used to be. Although I can get by Tyr being the most formidable he has ever fought, with context that Tyr isn't just knowledgeable with Norse magic but Magic from Different Pantheons. To solidify, Mimir also said that if Odin had The Sisters of Fate's power, they'd be more fucked, this alone strongly suggest Greek superiority. Good job ignoring that too.
Mimir was referring to kratos traveling back into to win a battle lost as unbelievable. The fate of loom is one of the most powerful artifacts in Greece due to its hax. Nothings really contradicted baldur can still hit harder then anyone he’s felt before and mimir can still be flabbergasted at the thought of someone freely traveling through time to win.
@@kaymeachem1619 "Mimir was referring to kratos traveling back into to win a battle lost as unbelievable." Didn't he say "The LEGENDS I heard of The Ghost of Sparta were surely exaggerated" LEGENDS - Plural, even if he was just referring to the Sisters of Fate vs Kratos, Zeus had that access to power that Mimir states would fuck The Norse World if Odin had it. Take into consideration, Novel is secondary canon until contradicted, that statement Kratos made, refers to invulnerability, do take into consideration that Freya is the one responsible for that "More powerful than any I've experienced" Even she was shook and surprised that Greeks had magic that that nothing in the 9 realms possess. Even then the very same Novel also said that Kratos would have ripped him apart in his olden days.
GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)'' Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.'' Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs. Cope.
@@kaymeachem1619Baldur’s statement is garbage and you know it. At that time Kratos viewed him as a mortal the novel was referring to Baldur as the strongest mortal. And Kratos being unable to put him down is because of Baldur’s hax not his strength. You know damn well Zeus is the strongest enemy Kratos has ever faced. Feats prove otherwise. Zeus literally destroyed all of Kratos equipment in a single lighting bolt. Baldur is not even relative to the axe and is weaker than the blades. So how could Baldur possibly hit harder than anyone kratos has fought before? Especially when Kratos low to mid diffed him in the final fight. It took Kratos everything he had to take Zeus down.
-There is a ton of stuff I disagree with, one thing is that Norse Kratos should equal to Greek Kratos when he traded blows with Zeus because he never got any stronger after his fight with Zeus. It is clearly implied in the GOW 2018 novel that the Blades of Chaos are vastly superior to the Leviathan Axe because when Freya said that the Leviathan Axe would be useless when it came to facing the dead in Helheim and that he needed a more powerful weapon, Kratos realized he would have needed the Blades of Chaos to accomplish that. The question that asked Corly Barlog about whether Norse Kratos or Greek Kratos is stronger, the Greek Kratos they were likely referring to is when he was the god of war before he transferred all his godly strength into the Blade of Olympus in GOW2. As for speed, the speed of Helios' light is immeasurable because it was stated that he lit up the entire Underworld which is said to be infinite in size and Hermes was shown in GOW3 to be able to dodge Helios light which was said by the developers to be an intentional feat and because Zeus is shown be significantly faster than Hermes in the GOW2 novelization, Greek Kratos should be faster than Hermes in terms of the speed of his attacks as he fought on par with Zeus. Although Thor was able to one shot Kratos, who is immortal, that should never be considered a strength feat, instead it is more of a special ability. The codex description of Thor referred to his attacks as being described as being as heavy as anything that Kratos had felt, this is referring to opponents he fought on par with because he said “as heavy as any attack I have felt”, this should put Thor on par with Hercules and Zeus as they were strongest opponents he fought on par with at his peak before achieving Power of Hope. That statement by Kratos about Baldur's power being more powerful than anything he had faced and that his full strength would be insufficent is SEEMINGLY contradicted when Kratos starts to pummel and ragdoll Baldur in his fight with him when he stops holding back his rage to protect his son. What the statement meant was the curse that Freya had placed on Baldur is more potent than the magic in the Greek world. Also in that same novel, when Atreus and Kratos were in Helheim, they saw a phantom Kratos who was described as being more muscular and younger which shows that Greek Kratos is stronger than Norse Kratos when he is holding back. Lastly, the statement referring to Odin's magic being far more potent than anything he had seen is referring to Odin's curses he placed on certain characters like Freya or Mimir. I don't mean that the Norse pantheon is far weaker than the Greek pantheon, the Norse pantheon is undeniably formidable, as the scaling so far is pretty much this below: Zeus = Greek Kratos (at his peak before utilizing power of Hope) = Norse Kratos (when going all out) >= Odin >= Thor >= Tyr = Niddhog >= Freya >>> Yggdrasil roots >>> Yggdrasil strand = 5 dimensional space Note: Odin is placed as being slightly inferior to Norse Kratos because he felt fear after Norse Kratos threatened to stop holding back his strength if he didn't return his son.
I myself have just recently caught up on god of wars lore. And the first thing I wanted to find out was the scaling of the series. This video was very well done and very informative. Thank you 🙏
How does Norse have better feats than the Greek saga? I see a lot of the new God Of War fans probably wasn’t even born then or just too young to appreciate how epic the old God Of War games were.
I stopped watching when you went on a brag of what developers of new God Of War says. Not like OG director David Jaffa was talking and let's ignore marketing where new games needed to top the trilogy
soooo much people keep saying younger kratos is stronger but goji you didn't even have to bring up that greek gods grow stronger with age that alone should scale kratos above his younger self excellent video keep them coming.
Thing is young kratos is stronger ability wise but in terms of power old kratos is milles ahead remember Greek gods get stronger as they age but old kratos limits himself purposely remember anger was the key to kratos power so the less angry he is the weaker he is
I am pretty sure most people believe Kratos would win in his Greek era due to his Blade of Olympus and death defying feats and his arsenal. Since he has the blades of Hade's for one which allows him to summon the souls of all those he takes(Which would be interesting if he could bring forth Hades' soul and force him to fight on his behalf), The cestus of Heracles which I believe increases his power by 10 times, and his spartan/titan rage. Then you have people who think he lost a massive magin of his power when he gave up the power of hope along with trying to kill himself. Hope being a whole different power being enough to overpower Fear Zeus' soul when it was powerful enough to kill Kratos and strip him of all his weapons and revive Kratos from the brink of death. Then you have the fact that the Blade of Olympus should be an extremely powerful weapon in the end of 3 since at the beginning of GoW2 he drains all of his Godly power into the blade increasing its power even more. Then you add on all the power he had gained in his rampage through Olympus placing him wielding it at the scale of 2 Kratos(1 being His power from GOW1 and then his base power in 3) Whether the addition of his godhood into the blade drastically affected the actual blade's power or not is a point to bring up however but still. GoW 5 Kratos should still be more powerful due to the different scaling and Author statement as well. But the better arguement is How difficult would it be for GoW5 to face the aggression of GoW3 Kratos being able to fight far more aggressive, faster, and with less care for damage as his older self. Also knowing that he can't really kill himself for good since he would return again like always. I think with his aggression, Blade of Olympus, and full Power access to Hope if he does get to death's door he would put up a much better fight than you may think. Still would likely lose to him but feats arent everything when it comes to a fight since how they fight does matter for a lot of things.
I am not sure why people put importance on the story that Kratos tells Atreus. This story is actually a version of one of Aesop's fables, specifically "The Old Man and Death". This make sense as Aesop was a renowned Ancient Greek story teller, and was a figure that Kratos would have been familiar with. The moral of the story is "be careful what you wish for" and I think Kratos sees several parallels in himself but it isn't in reference to his physical strength. Rather, the burdens are his past actions/misdeeds. It is even applicable to his past self. The first game starts off with Kratos attempting to commit suicide, all because he is desperate to get rid of the pain and guilt of having killed his own family. Fun fact, in GoW 2018, Kratos told another one of Aesop's fables. Poorly.
9:25-Say WHAT?! The fandom really believed a graphical designer more than an author?! 12:04-Yea,probably this is why Bruno overrated the greek gods. Edit:WTF is going on in the comments of this video?!The delusions here are ridiculous!
only real ones know that the past Goji clip is from the "Kratos vs all of the Gods of Destructions and Angels from DBS" (not to sure if i got the title right)
yeah ima have to call straight cap on Mjiolnir being anywhere near the power of the blade of omlympus as Mjilolnir could barley keep up with the blades of chaos which are some of the weakest weapons in the greek pantheon
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prepare for 1000 comments saying "uh, no, norse kratos hold back to his 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%, so norse gods are absolute fodders"
Ok sure, If I recall correctly, Novels of God of War are stated to be secondary canon until the game either backs it up or contradicts it so the idea that Kratos "had never encountered something that potent" and "forced had control over her were far more powerful than any he had experienced before" is strongly contradicted with Mimir telling Kratos that his tales in Greece were exaggerated and being amazed that Greek Gods held "every flavor of magic you can imagine", I like how you call out people bringing out Freya's statements that Norns aren't as versatile as their Greek Counterpart and completely leave out Mimir calling Kratos' tales exaggerated which holds more weight than you think if you look at the context. Note that Cory Balrog would have had to approve these lines that strongly contradict the novel and him saying Norse Kratos is stronger and with every directors taking over, any new director can choose to contradict previous opinions of Directors, if you're going to use the logic that Norse Kratos wins and Norse Gods win against Greek Kratos and Greek Gods because of what Cory said, I can say the exact same thing favoring Greeks with Eric stating that Kratos isn't as strong as he used to be. Although I can get by Tyr being the most formidable he has ever fought, with context that Tyr isn't just knowledgeable with Norse magic but Magic from Different Pantheons. To solidify, Mimir also said that if Odin had The Sisters of Fate's power, they'd be more fucked, this alone strongly suggest Greek superiority. Good job ignoring that too.
@CostmioLabos "Mimir doesn’t contradict those statements at all. Those statements aren’t even related bro. Mimir saying his tales are “exaggerated” does not automatically mean that the Greeks are stronger." - How are the statements not related? Please care to elaborate, what part of "Exaggerated" when decribing Kratos' tales in Greece despite being in an apparently "stronger" universe do you not understand? "You said that goji left out the “exaggeration” but also left out when kratos said “impossible” when mimir said that Thor is fated to hit jorm so hard that he goes back in time." - Ahh are you perhaps referring to this? ruclips.net/video/UEXIGuPtWbg/видео.html Where Kratos says "This is Madness" Do be careful with your choice of words when Kratos says "THIS IS MADNESS" Madness isn't synonym with Impossible, just putting that out there. "A bit of double standard Greek glazing going on here. Mimir talking about the variety of Greek powers doesn’t mean that they are automatically stronger. For example, Hermes’ speed would be useless against heimdall and hades’ soul steal wouldn’t work against Baldur or garm." - Ahh you seem to forget that it is usually an unwritten rule in media that having versatility equals more powerful especially within the realms of magic we're talking about, take into consideration that Mimir is the wisest of the 9 realms but even then stories he has heard of The Greek Gods still captivated him, the idea that versatility can equal power in this specific context can be further backed up with Surtr who described Kratos' Greek blades as "Primordial" And Kratos telling Mimir when talking about Heimdall "I have killed Gods greater than him" "Eric never said that Norse kratos was weaker, he said that he’s “getting back into it” you’re reaching so far with this one. Yes, if you give any character the SOF’s time manipulation powers, that would be a huge boost." - What do you want Eric to say? That he is straight up weaker then, to pull the bandage off, yeah that's bad business my guy. Eric has stated that Kratos was hella rusty when fighting Baldur, which debunks the "His power seems greater than anything I've ever seen" "But it doesn’t even matter that much since in the novels, kratos was stated to resist the manipulation through sheer will, keeping in mind that this is the same kratos who is stated to be inferior to Norse kratos and Norse kratos being the one who is around equal to Thor and downright lost to Odin and had to jump him." - You call me out on leaving out certain words to favor the Greeks yet you left out the part where I said the Novel is secondary canon until contradicted by the game which is the main canon, make it make sense. "Bro is so mad at the video he’s copy pasted the same comment to everyone in the comments who says Norse > Greek 💀" - Everyone? Get your eyes checked dude.
@CostmioLabos "Mimir saying that the tales are “exaggerated” doesn’t mean what you think it means as the tale he was talking about was the sisters of fate. In the novels it states that a GOW 2 kratos was able to resist the time manipulation powers of the SOF through sheer force of will. If this version of kratos can resist it, imagine what thor or Odin could do if they were put in the same scenario. Now if you try and convince me that a GOW 2 kratos who isn’t even peak Greek kratos can beat Thor or Odin who scale higher than him, I don’t know what to say considering kratos BARELY defeated Thor while Thor was poisoned and downright lost to Odin and needed to jump him then idk what to say." - Does it matter even if he was just talking about the Sisters of Fate? It was still enough to captivate Mimir and even Freya, you know? The very same people who are supposed to be "Stronger" Again, Novels are secondary canon until contradicted by the game, this was confirmed when Kratos talked about The Sisters of Fate "threatening to undo my existence" "Bro what does it matter that “he actually says madness” 🤓☝ kratos still doesn’t think it’s true. My point still stands you didn’t even try and argue against it just went 🤓☝. Please name a better strength feat in GOW than the jorm feat I wanna know what you think 🤣 kratos thinks it’s madness even after experiencing the powers of the sisters of fate, Zeus’ fear form etc, so the “mimir is shocked at the SOF’s powers” argument you keep making is kinda pointless here as the Thor feat scales higher anyway and even kratos thinks it’s “madness” 🤓☝ even after experiencing all of the Greek powers." - Madness doesn't equal Impossible, how Dense can you possibly be? Kratos doesn't think it's true? How does that make sense when he himself traveled through time, you seem to forget when Kratos talked about time travel Mimir had to even ask "You're not speaking Metaphorically are you?" further implying that Greek's Time Travel is way better than Norse. If Kratos didn't think it's true, why would Mimir the very guy who even brought that topic up to him when talking about Greek Time Travel vs Norse Travel say that Thor hitting World Serpent back in time make more sense than Kratos journeying through time to win a battle once lost, Kratos saying IMPOSSIBLE makes no sense in context, stop twisting words and equating words with a definition that doesn't match, Madness does not equal impossible, I don't know why you think that. You talk about me twisting Eric's words when you're the one doing the same thing? Equating Madness with Impossible? "What does surtr talking about the primordial fire in the blades have to do with the Greeks being stronger? There are primordials in both of the pantheons bud. Wow there are Greek gods that are stronger than heimdall, Interesting, it also says that Odin is the most formidable foe kratos has ever faced in the pre release for ragnarok, who woulda thunk since kratos needed help to beat him right? There are more statements that say Norse > Greek." - It has alot to do with Greeks being stronger or at minimum have what Norse people don't have, If Norse>Greeks why couldn't he just use "Superior" Magic to jump start Ragnarok, why did he need Blades of Chaos, you seem to be so confident to scoff at how powerful Greeks, did you forget that in game Freya states that in Helheim no heat exists (meaning the realm completely nullifies the concept of heat not that it just isn’t there) and no magic in all the 9 realms yet the Blades Of Chaos could light a fire there and that's not even the strongest Greek weapon in the GOW mythos. "Bro what unwritten rule are you talking about? You’re just making that up. I love how you didn’t even try and convince me Hermes could beat heimdall or hades could beat garm because you know they’d lose. That’s exactly my point in that just because you have more powers doesn’t mean that they make you stronger. Kratos is a prime example in this as his only powers are super strength and super anger and he steam rolls most of the gods he comes across." - This is the guy that thinks Madness equals impossible... Ironic, why would I have to say anything about Hermes beating Heimdall or Hades beating garm, that's not even an important topic, you're the one that made a choice to bring those two gods up, whether or not they would win in a 1v1 fight who knows and I know they'd lose? Oh so you're twisting my words even though I never specifically brought them up... Fantastic! Ok then it's fair for me to bring up Bruno Valezques saying Zeus owns Baldur, is comparable to Odin and Thor is comparable to Poseidon's hippocampi. "Yes kratos was rusty when he fought Baldur bro, how long has it been since GOW 3 ended and he’s lived his life in relative peace? Just because he’s rusty doesn’t mean that he’s not stronger? You tried getting away with saying “Eric said he’s weaker now” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 he literally said “getting back into it” bro you’re not fooling anyone but yourself. You still haven’t proved that he’s weaker now other than trying to change the devs statements to match your personal view. " - Just because he is rusty doesn't mean he is not stronger? Great! tell your rusty Grandpa to do the exact same things he did in his prime or in his youth, I am suuure he'd love to do it! Do you know what Rusty means? you're telling me I am twisting Eric's words, do you know the definition of rusty? It means Kratos was impaired which also means weakened, the fuck you mean? "How does the novel contradict the game here? You haven’t even explained your point." - Kratos in the novel has stated that Baldur "seemed stronger" This was then retconned with Eric saying he was rusty during his fight with Baldur, ironically the same Novel even states that Kratos would have ripped him apart in his spartan days. That's a good example for starters, the novel has also stated that Kratos "HAD NEVER SEEN A MAGIC THIS POTENT BEFORE" This was then retconned in the game itself having Mimir and Freya captivated that such "Magic" In Greece existed and Freya even referring to what Kratos did against Sisters of Fate "Most Dangerous" This is supposed to be the Goddess of Magic, just letting you know. "Go on bro keep copy pasting the same comment. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣" - Yeah you need to get your eyes checked 🤷♂
@CostmioLabos "I never said that mimir and Freya were stronger than the Greeks, I for one think Freya is pretty weak on the grand scale of things. Doesn’t change the fact that you still haven’t debunked the point I just made, just said “well Freya and mimir are shocked”. " Uhm, Mimir states that Freya is the deadliest opponent Odin has ever faced at one point and only won because he tricked her. "Bro kratos isn’t saying time travel is impossible" - Of course he didn't he said "Madness" a definition far different from Impossible, thansk for confirming that "he’s saying that it’s madness that Thor hit jormungandr so hard that he splintered the yggdrasil and sent him back in time. The sisters of fates powers are set in stone, they can erase you from existence that’s what they do." - Yes I agree he did describe it as Madness, but a while ago you said that Kratos said it was impossible, going back on your word, I see. "Thor has insane strength and just broke reality by hitting a giant snake that hard. This is why kratos is shocked. You keep saying that “mimir and Freya are shocked” and you even tried to say “kratos says madness instead” however you want to put it, kratos is still shocked that someone can put out this much strength in one strike because guess what, he’s never seen anyone use that much strength before in a single attack." - At no point did I invalidate Thor's strength, this whole topic is about you telling me that Kratos described it as Impossible, I did not invalidate him being shocked or even captivated by it, I called you out for twisting the words to make them sound like they're the same definition which is a big mistake at your part. I like how when I brought up Mimir and Freya being captivated by Greek Magic, you do whatever you can to debunk, yet here you are doing the exact same thing I did, except on the Norse part. "Also want to put out that saying ‘’madness” can also be interpreted as being “untrue” or “exaggerated”. Saying “Greek time travel is better” like ok 🤣 GOW 2 kratos scales above the sisters and he scales below the Norse. I’ve said this like 60 times and you keep ignoring it. I literally admitted that he said “madness”, it doesn’t change the fact that kratos doesn’t think it’s possible to HIT SOMETHING THAT HARD instead of using time hax to do it. I don’t think you understand what I’m saying when I say that kratos doesn’t believe that it’s POSSIBLE to have the AP to break reality. Therefore the Thor feat still is the best strength feat unless you can name one." " - You want to put that saying Madness can be interpreted as Untrue? Ok let's look at the Definition of Madness and compare it to Impossible and which was the original word you kept telling me about and to add, let's also compare it to Exaggerated. Madness - The state of being Mentally ill - Foolish behavior - Frenzied or Chaotic Activity - Impulsive Behavior Impossible - Not able to occur - very difficult to deal with (although this should be labeled as near impossible) - unreasonable Exaggerated - Regarded or represented as larger, better or worse in reality - Blown out of Proportions You see how far "Madness" is from "Impossible" and "Exaggerated" You talk to me about twisting words from Eric, you were doing it first? 🤷♀ "Bros just avoiding the whole topic 🤣🤣🤣 “why would I have to answer” bro you know they’d lose that’s why. “That’s not an important topic” you literally just said that the Greeks are more powerful because they have a variety of power and I just disproved that by saying it means nothing against most Norse gods. - That's because I was speaking in general term of power level, also it is in your headcanon and statement that Garm or Heimdall beats Hades or Hermes, there is no official confirmation that the Garm and Heimdall beat the two of them of course I will not bring up individual gods over one another because the only closest 1v1 confirmation on who would win is Zeus vs Baldur, Thor and Odin and Thor vs Poseidon. Your reason Heimdall beats Hermes is because of... Primarily foresight? Kratos who actually was able to hit him was because he is infinite in Speed, so is Hermes, there is no reason to say he won't be able to do the same thing, with Kratos saying "I have killed Gods greater than him" Hermes plays an important role even in the Greek Saga in GOW, it's reasonable to say that he is also referring to Hermes when saying this. With Baldur being invulnerable, it depends really to what extent he is invulnerable to, for certain any magic or weapon from Norse won't kill him except mistletoe and to an extent even The Blade of Chaos, but the Blade of Chaos isn't even the strongest weapon in the game, on debating terms it would be No limits fallacy, it would be like me saying Zeus can just remove Baldur's immortality, because he did similar to Prometheus making him mortal and curse him to get eaten by a bird everyday. Hades Vs Garm, I won't say anything about this, with lack of further information on Fenrir "Don’t avoid the question bro go on. Also Bruno did say not to take his word on anything and he also said the Yggdrasil wasn’t infinite which is just blatantly wrong. Again, in the video. If you want to believe anything believe word of god statements from Cory. He said Thor could beat Poseidons hippocampi before the game came out so he didn’t want to spoil… are you actually gonna try and convince me that Thor isn’t AT LEAST comparable to Poseidon? Even if you wanna believe everything Bruno says, he says that Odin is comparable to Zeus in your own words. Meaning Zeus vs Odin is at least a 50/50. And we all saw how Odin needed to get 3 v 1d." - Oh, Bruno did not say to take his word on anything? Well that's a bummer I only brought that up because you brought up 1v1 between Gods which wasn't even the point of the conversation, fair play dude, using your logic why should your words be taken on anything? And why should we forever take the words of every single director in God of War when directors keep changing different opinions? "Bro really just brought up the grandpa analogy even though he knows gods don’t get “old” or “weaker”." - Hey man, not my fault you don't know shit about the definition of rusty so I had to bring that up to you. "You want to believe Bruno Velasquez so much you should know he tweeted about how gods don’t get weaker with age and “kratos is the same kratos no matter what age he is”, he also said Zeus’ prime was GOW 3 as being older doesn’t mean weaker, lmao bros clutching at straws. If you know of this information then you should know that at the very least, kratos is as strong as his gow 3 self if not more considering how long it’s been since then considering gods get stronger with age. Yes he was rusty at the start of 2018 but he warms up bro like have you played the game?" " - I never said he was weaker in Ragnarok I said he was weaker during his initial fight with Baldur, the fuck are you smoking? "Eric’s statement does not contradict that at all bro. The novel says that Baldur is his strongest opponent yet, no matter that he’s rusty as kratos himself has gotten stronger over the years (you already know this if you love Bruno so much). Just because you’re rusty doesn’t mean you can’t accurately judge someone’s strength" 🤣 - The Novel also said Kratos would have ripped him apart in his younger days and again SECONDARY CANON, do you know who is responsible for that "Power seemed greater than anything he has ever seen" FREYA, you know the Goddess who you say is very weak in the grand scheme of things? and even she was genuinely shook at the type of power Greek mythos posses. and even if we are to take the Novels seriously, Keyword: Seemed. "Kratos literally says it’s the most potent magic he’s ever seen. End of discussion. You keep bringing up how mimir and Freya were shocked at the SOF like I haven’t debunked that like twice, Odin scales higher than GOW 2 kratos therefore higher than SOF bro just accept it." - Is it stated anywhere in the Game, main canon BTW that he had said that, if he did I will accept it, because all you bring to me is the Novel which is secondary canon btw, I kept bringing up Freya and Mimir being captivated because those are legitimate deities of their respective Pantheons, Freya being captivated despite being the Goddess of Magic is nothing to be scoffed at. "Also have you never heard of someone saying “madness” in response to something that they don’t think is true? It’s more of a slang type of phrase for it tbh." - Context: Mimir brought up again Thor knocking the world Serpent back in time as "one thing" When comparing Sisters of Fate which he believes in definition, BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION, yeah I am pretty sure when Kratos described it as madness, I doubt he would think it impossible. You're telling me I love Bruno so much, LOL I only brought him up once, compared to your lame ass obsession with the Secondary Novel.
@04rugrat bro he ain't omnipotent 💀💀😭😭 He did get some kind of power after defeating the sisters of fate, but that may just be his intelligence. Also heise gets ragdolled by kratos.
Even with the mimir statement saying the fates abilities to re-write history is more powerful then anything he'd seen in the norse era. That still doesnt dismiss the norse gods having far greater Attack Potency, Durability and overall speed in every department.
Incorrect completely, Zeus is by far the strongest God shown in the Franchise, even some of the Titans could solo most of the Norse Pantheon. They'd be no match for Atlas or Prime Cronus.
@@TheKingoftheAesir That's ABOVE the Norse Pantheon lol Zeus was HIM personified when it came to Gods and would himself solo the entire Norse Pantheon without even needing to use his Fear Form (which easily puts him above even fully prepped Odin).
I'm not gonna jump on the whole Greek vs Norse debate, but I feel the need to address certain things. You forgot to mention that Morpheus, a "mere" Primordial, is capable of merging his own infinite dimension with the main Greek dimension (which is also infinite) in Helios' absence. There's also a feat of Zeus shaking the world to its foundations... with his anger alone. The foundations of the world would be the Underworld, which is a separate dimension. So if Zeus can affect dimensions by simply getting angry, you can imagine what he could do if he decides to put an actual effort in an actual attack. The splintering of Yggdrasil was a result of Thor and Jormungandr clashing for an extended period of time, as stated by Mimir. There's nothing suggesting Thor can do this on his own, let alone on a whim. All Cory says is that Old Man Kratos would beat young Kratos. This in itself doesn't prove Old Man being more powerful than the OG. You don't need to be stronger to beat your opponent, hell you don't even need to be an equal. Old Man Kratos is more experienced, more level-headed, has better control over his rage, and knows all the OG's tricks. 8:25 Yeah, no. - For starters, the use of the word "seemed" already makes the validity of this quote questionable. - Second, based on context, the power in question was Baldur's invulnerability. - Third, the quote specifies that Kratos though Baldur was a mere mortal "man", not a god. - Fourth, Kratos at the beginning of GoW2018 is ridiculously rusty and the journey will "reawaken his dormant powers", as stated in the official Playstation blog back in the day. - And finally, the idea of Baldur being superior to Zeus (lol) was outright debunked by Kratos and Mimir in Ragnarok, where Kratos claims that he killed gods (plural) more powerful than Heimdall. Mimir responds to that he "doesn't doubt it", meaning he never saw Kratos fighting them, which by default rules out Baldur. 8:32 Similarly to the Baldur statement, Kratos makes that statement while operating in a weakened state (thanks to Fimbulwinter). And yeah, Thor was ordered not to kill Kratos... which he did anyway. So the idea of Thor holding back is similarly questionable. 8:44 This statement refers strictly to Kratos' weapon skill, not to his overall power. So at best, it would put the Norse gods skills above those of the Greek gods. Seeing as you have no problem trying to crossverse magic in order to argue the Norse supremacy, I'll remind you that the fire from the Blades was able to burn in Helheim, where even Odin wouldn't be able to conjure fire. Furthermore, in the novel you like to quote so much, Freya states outright that Kratos will need something more powerful than the Axe to deal with Hel-Walkers. Even if we entertain your cope about the Blades of Chaos being only relative to the Axe and Mjolnir, the Blades of Athena (the ones Kratos uses in Ghost of Sparta and GoWII) are more powerful than BoC, and the Blades of Exile (the ones Kratos uses in GoWIII) are more powerful than BoA. Hell, BoE are stated to be Kratos' "most powerful ally against Olympus", putting them above the Blade of Olympus as well.
Sure you have a few points but as of the Valhalla DLC Kratos became the god of hope. As per the Helios illusion which is a manifestation of his mind states that God's in nature hold a metaphysical office, so this would mean Norse Kratos embodies hope, Corey and Eric both state that he had it in him and Valhalla solidified it so Kratos should at worse be comparable to PoH Kratos at the end of 3 discounting the fact that gods get stronger with age according to Zeus in the opening of 3. Basically a case was to be made before Valhalla but not anymore
@@mc_rysiek5277 not really, As Valhalla was a Primordial realm essentially weaponized by Odin. Thor and Odin did imprison Tyr by whatever means and even then In the games own Codex Kratos himself states Thors blows were as heavy as any he has felt meaning Thor packed a bigger punch or was at least was on par with Fear Zeus And that's excluding the Novels where Kratos admits Odins potency in magic was greater than anything he's encountered (The spell that ripped Freya back to Midgard)
@@ethanreddy6551 ... AND? "By whatever means". Great non-argument. Except Kratos was weakened at that point? And then his Blades perform a feat that Odin could not...
@@mc_rysiek5277 we don't know how they imprisoned him but Tyr was stated to be one of his most formidable by Kratos himself and in the art book it states that Odin is the most formidable he's faced Also you never gave any rebuttals to what I provided for Odin and Thor Odins magic is far too potent compared to the likes of anyone he's faced before Thor hits harder than everyone has faced before And what feat has the blades done to put him above Odin?
I think older Kratos would win from the simple fact that he already knows everything younger Kratos is going to do. And as far as who's stronger? I don't know. I think both versions of Kratos have infinite strength meaning they're as strong as they need to be for any situation
He doesn’t know what he is going to do but what he can potentially do.. young Kratos Claps…. A younger Kratos kills a stronger Zeus which is a full blooded God while Kratos is a hybrid “Demi God”
@Dat-Boi-Camoja you not using feats norse kratos opponents like odin and thor are very powerful not to mention in the last thor fight thor was heavily weakened by the etr poision from the axe odin killed ymir with help a being who spawned the world tree a transcending tree with infinite branches and thor can shake this tree with a clash and send joman back in time and odin was able to slaughter ymir and use his blood and flesh to make land odin has better hax than zeus not to mention it took freya atreus and kratos to subdue odin
Kratos is one of the most powerful fictional characters ever, hopefully in the TV that's meant to be going into production they don't nerf him too much
Think there was a boat story where kratos admits he feels weaker or is just weaker since no one was worshiping him in GOW4. But he’s supposed to be at his strongest because Greek gods get more powerful as they age. And he went from fighting giant monsters in the opening to fighting gods in the opening (Except for GOW3 but he had the blade of Olympus). And spartan rage is just his raw strength with no help when no longer holding back. Could be he’s been drained overtime but also gained strength due to age and will gain more if he takes odin’s place and be worshipped again. Maybe it’s just that he doesn’t feel as energetic now but will later if he continues as a new Norse god We also never really see Thor at his peak since he wasn’t actually trying to kill kratos in round one but in the rematch he was drunk. Hell we never even see Greek kratos at his peak since he lost his godly power but not the title. And if he never got back to his godly status then what does that mean for the Norse gods? Are they just the same level as demigods in Greece? And even the old man story with death doesn’t make much sense if he asks death to help him when kratos doesn’t want to “deliver” anymore
In Ragnarok this was addressed in conversations between Kratos', Mimir, Freya and Atreus. Kratos told Mimir and Freya that he lost much of his power when the Greek Pantheon was destroyed. When he left his homeland, much of his conditional immortality and powers he attained were left behind when the Gods died and there was no one left to worship (which is how God's get stronger). Freya even deduced that he was once a God but lost most of them when he left his homeland. Kratos told Atreus he was weakened and they must continue the journey while he still has strength. The only thing about Kratos' that retained power were the Blades of Chaos. That's because they were made from primordial elements that span all of the planet. Therefore, it will retain its power no matter where it's taken. The fact that Kratos is aging quickly, is a sign that he is weakening. Zeus was eons of years old but was still physically in his prime despite his white hair and aged skin. It took him eons to look like an older man. In Ragnorak, Kratos' looks older and is more sluggish, just as a middle aged mortal man would be. It's safe to say that Kratos is not at God status anymore. He is once again a Demi God.. which is basically what he was before he killed Ares. Kratos can compete with the Norse Gods and hold his own because everyone except Odin, is also a Demi God, so they didn't really outclass Kratos'. Where as all of the Olympians were Gods.. In fact, in Ragnarok, Kratos' is stronger than the Norse Demi Gods but not more powerful than Odin. This is why he needed assistance to kill Odin.
I definitely agree with this mostly, but not all Norse Gods are stronger than Greek Gods, right? Because Kratos outright comments about Heimdall that he's beaten stronger Gods, and the way he says it, I'm pretty sure it implies some Greek Gods (like Zeus), not someone like Baldur. It'd be cool if we got a definitive power scale from Santa Monica. I'm pretty confident Zeus would be above Heimdall, bare minimum lol.
Kratos didn’t even know who Heimdall was at the time he just said that for whatever reason he even goes on to ask Mimir what Heimdalls power was like 10 seconds later which means it’s an empty statement and kratos had no idea what he’s talking about
@@BamBamBinBin wrong, kratos knew Heimdall was, and when he states that he killed gods greater than him he obviously confirms that Heimdall isnt the most powerful Norse god and that the Norse pantheon isnt more powerful than the Greek pantheon
There's actually a comic that shows that Kratos is stronger with the blades of chaos, physically stronger and more durable, not just more powerful. This was shown when kratos fought the second chaos beast. He went from being incapable of even hurting it, with his attacks literally bouncing of it to oneshoting it. Not to mention, he got killed by thor with a strike from mjolnir while later on with the blades of chaos he no solds a full force strike to the face with no real damage. Thor even mentions how he was hoping to fight kratos with the blades of chaos at some point clearly implying he's stronger with them. I do concede that the norse gods have better scaling though.
Another big reason would be greek kratos sole motivation is vengeance, while norse kratos has the motivation of protecting his child. The anger and power kratos has to protect his family and friends is much greater than that of killing those who did you wrong.
It’s ironic you say young Kratos‘ feats come from misinterpretation while old Kratos‘ feats are nowhere near as impressive as young kratos and literally rely on texts in bio and twitter statements when *we see* young Kratos being stronger
Based on lore, feats and statements he is, baldur could knock out a snake who shook a 5th dimensional construct in a battle with thor. Zeus’s only argument is “he shoots really big blasts and looks cooler”
@@Goji-C I disagree, Baldur was defeated by a heavily rusty / suppressed Kratos who’s trying not to expose his god hood to his son in the beginning of GoW 4. Without his “immortality” he would be dead at the beginning of the game. Narratively Zeus should wash that Kratos. Yes he briefly KO’d the world serpent, but lets not act like it was a fight, Jormungandr had Kratos and Atreus inside of him, he couldn’t maneuver and fight with out risking killing them so he just took the hits and was back up shortly after. Me or you could KO Mike Tyson if he wasn’t fighting back, doesn’t mean we beat him in a fight, Baldur can’t defeat the world serpent. Zeus with all of his abilites would take this comfortably, even if the blade of olympus couldn’t drain Baldurs immortality, Zeus has enough abilities to BFR or just straight up imprison him.
@@DivineMultiForceyou’re biased Baldur scales to kratos he can destroy the world serpent maybe no easily but he can win and even though kratos was rusty he still barely won and by the end of the game kratos still struggles with Baldur despite getting his blades back which are stated to make him stronger so Baldur got stronger throughout the game
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they're both extremely strong on two different scales, I couldn't imagine seeing old kratos fighting cronos or someone of that size, but I also can't imagine young kratos having a 1 on 1 with thor and winning
The former is mainly due to the fact the way the current games display feats is different from the originals. The originals monkeyed with physics to make feats seem more impressive and entertaining while the current games take a more grounded approach to feats displayed which I think is better honestly because it maintains the presence of being beyond normal strength while also also being very gritty and real. Truth be told Kratos currently would deal with Kronos all the same if not easier, though he’d likely approach it differently.
@@04rugrat Young Kratos fucks around and discovers Thor was just drunk af when he whooped his ass. He never faced someone who could hit so hard he sends someone back in time lol hell, Odin had to kill Thor BY SURPRISE. Heimdall himself feared Thor, WHEN HE DIDN'T FEAR KRATOS knowing his nature.
You got a lot of stuff wrong to support your argument, first of all the hammer didn’t kill kratos only knocked him out this is evident by him eating a hit from it later in the game n not even flinching. The blade of Olympus is also definitely stronger than mjolnir, Zeus waved his hand w it and killed the whole spartan army, he also used it to one shot the titans who are stronger than primordials as you said that’s way stronger than anything weve seen mjolnir do. And baldur was only hard to kill because he couldn’t die. But he easily beat both he and Thor in the end, while I do agree that old kratos might be stronger(even though they’ve done nothing to show this in the games), the Greek gods are definitely superior to the aesir, it’s very evident.
11:44 Lmao you are scared to trigger the new gen GOW fans so bad. this video is so biased man, you completely ignore context in what the Norse things say. terrible vid
The only thing I disagree with is when you say zues is weaker than buldur and Thor, and also that the blade of Olympus is weaker than thors hammer. That just don’t make sense
all your other takes seem good but this video is just a mess. none of the feats you state make any logical sense and just goes to show you have no clue of what you are talking about or even god of war games in general. L video please do more research like your other videos.
Wish you made this without such a clear bias lmao. You talk about people misinterpretation dialogues and forgetting context and relativity in the feats', when arguing for the Greek. But when you bring up the norse feats' and Kratos' thoughts from the novel/codex, which also have their own context and relativity, you misinterpret them to fit your own argument. Everything is contextual, and Kratos was never actually that strong to begin with. He needed A LOT of help to defeat his Greek enemies. Now he's stronger than himself, but he also needs way less help to defeat his Norse enemies. Taking EVERYTHING into account, it makes the most sense that Norse Kratos is "stronger" than Greek Kratos, but the Greek Gods are "stronger" than the Norse Gods.
It doesn't help that the novel initially did tell you that Norse is stronger than Greeks but because Novel is secondary canon, this was then retconned with Mimir being captivated by what Greek Magic provided with Freya even being bewildered at the though that such magic in greece exists.
@@shadowman9081 Where does the novel "tell us" this exactly? Either way, people need to stop taking every line of dialogue (both from the games and the novels) as black or white statements. There is a nuance to everything.
Dude how are the Norse god stronger when the Greek ones were capable of destroying entire cities with ease and kill entire armies in one swoop (and Ares even killed one telepathically).
Brok only hyped up the blades was because it was made of primordial fire, that’s literally it. Brok and sindri made the leviathan axe by capturing the souls of 20 frost trolls and in the description it says Mjölnir echoes with death and destruction with every blow so theoretically he would get just as hyped if the axe had primordial frost or the spear having primordial wind
The primordial is not just any primordial fire, it’s primordial chaos and it can empower said wielder, kratos was even about to die in the comics in Egypt to a giant hippo if not for the blades of chaos.
The fangirling is strong here 😂 Kratos won all his fights because he's the main character. It was refreshing to see Thor absolutely crush him for once.
@@chromtastic2092because kratos died like twice in the Greek world so yeah, he was just knocked out, even Odin ordered Thor not to kill him until the final battle of which a blood lusted Thor got defeated by a calm kratos not even trying to kill him. Even in said battle, he once again took said literal hammer hit in the face and shrugged it off.
@@tc-channelhobby4051Incorrect, Thor did Kratos but he revived him with Mjolnir, he still followed Odin's Orders. Kratos got stronger over time, he only was able to defeat Thor cause of that strength. It was the opposite for Thor, who since their first fight was fighting off the corruption of Odin, he wasn't going his all against Kratos. He wanted death.
@@maylabrown4584 he only knocked him out and also this is a kratos that was regaining his dormant powers as said in the website 2018 meaning his own spartan rage, even in the 2018 novels he admitted his younger self is far more muscular when he saw again in helheim
GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)'' Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.'' Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs.
@@owensilva9224 No one else matters. Barlog is the creative director. He decides the direction these games take narratively. Bruno Velasquez and Eric Williams don't matter. Bruno is an artist, Eric is a game developer. Neither control the narrative. Bruno directs the art Barlog describes for him. Eric oversees the technical production of the game Barlog wants to see made.
@@TheStraightestWhitest But I just don't make sense in your answer, Kratos in GOW 3 had the Power of Hope, I guess Cory Barlog didn't know about this, since he didn't participate in the narrative of GOW 3, there is no doubt that Old Kratos is superior in terms of combat, but if Young Kratos uses PoH, it is an overkill for the old one, PoH gives Young Kratos invulnerability, just look, Fear Zeus's attacks do not affect them.
@@ThePalebloodHunter Barlog said PoH is still with Old Kratos. So that's a non-factor. We gotta get used to the fact that these devs will just say whatever the fuck they want at a whim to please their rabid fanboy community. They go for the good old ''Smile and nod'' response to any question these weirdo powerscale obsessed people ask them on social media, which creates very contradictory replies.
@@Dat-Boi-Camoja GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)'' Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.'' Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs.
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Good video! But it’s pronounced e-mir not…the way you said it
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It was confirmed gow3 is stronger hacks and old kratos is stronger physically and mentally it was stated multiple times😂. Did you even contradict yourself at the end you said that young Kratos were stronger but then you said he wasn’t
Kratos won, however kratos put up a good fight.
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Nah man I think you're wrong, im pretty Kratos won that fight.
kratos slammed him though???@@Son_Yin
Bro, we're not watching the same video kratos clearly won that when he slammed kratos through that wall and put the paws on him
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Thinking about it logically as well, the Greek gods were never really challenged. There were basically 2 events where they had to contend with forces that rivaled them, and the second time was Kratos, who wiped them out.
The Aesir had 8 whole realms to conquer, and at least 3 of them had beings that rivaled the aesir in power, and then Odin was always paranoid about the Prophecy of Ragnarok, so he kept pushing them to be stronger and stronger.
Zues is stronger than Odin Greek is stronger than Norse doesn’t matter what you think it’s already established lore in real life and gaming
@Modking000 yeah, but Greek Immortality also prohibits death by any means. GoW lore and real world mythology, are two different things.
@@TheeJonesssBro said “in real life” as if mfs are over here powerscaling and comparing old Greek and Norse gods😭. And no stop lying it’s never been confirmed that the Greeks were stronger in universe.
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It's important to note that Norse Kratos is confirmed by multiple sources to hold back his rage considerably, meaning that his true power has been used very rarely or not at all since he tries to control himself. That's why he goes from losing to Thor to knocking his teeth out when he loses control. Kratos spends a vast majority of the Norse games holding back.
Even though holding back in some moments is a horrible idea and could lead to death, he still holds back. His discipline is indeed insane to stay consistent with holding back throughout.
When is it stated he holds back in the Norse beside his first fight with Thor
@@BamBamBinBin a God of War comic and an interview with Cory Barlog for the first game reveals this info.
@@kcold3277 where’s the comic and interview
@@vngaming255Kratos knows he can't die
He actually can't die
He killed the sisters of fate
He has the power of hope
He literally escape death or Hades in GOW 3
Also don’t forget to mention this, but Cory also said that 2018 kratos was far stronger but young kratos was far more dangerous because of his rage.
even though what u said is a little contradictory do u know when or where he said this?
@@mvp746 it was in an interview, when gow 2018 was either juts released or was announced. I’m not too sure when but I’ll try to find it for ya.
@@mvp746 I can’t find it 😔
@@willsmith6530 don’t worry, he said kratos is stronger because of family and followed as well by Bruno backing it up.
But in terms of power and lore, his younger self has an edge in everything he took in Greece despite older kratos being stronger in strength.
@@mvp746how I saw it like a young snake compared to a mature snake, young snake is weaker but will deliver more venom when they bite someone because they’re inexperienced, which would technically make them more Dangerous than an adult snake tht knows how much venom to deliver, even though it is stronger it’s more reserved and knows when to turn it up, unlike the young snake that is at 100 at all times.
I have not seen the video but from the comments i can tell its garbage,and i had a feeling it would be so i avoided it to not get mad
Either way this guy at the top comments here called @ALMSIVI is absolutely right about what he is saying.
The whole Thor fight basically has Thor say that GoW3 is bloody legendary,thats who he heard about and who he wanted to see."Even this lesser version of you"-Thor
Eric Williams,the director of Ragnarok said that after training in Fimblewinter Kratos is back at his former strength.
The narrative blatantly says that the punch that broke Thors tooth was a GoW3 level punch
Baldur being stronger than any opponent has been debunked to death, including in that comment i talked about.
NO ONE,and i mean NO DEV whatsoever said Old Kratos has more brute physical strength than GoW3 Kratos(although by power scaling he is stronger than GoW1+2 Kratos)
Corys statement is incredibly vague and it spoke about who would win,which is different than who is stronger, strength is just one aspect.
George Foreman was far stronger than Ali and look what happened.
Fans kept spreading the myth that the" devs said Old Kratos is far stronger cause gods get stronger with age"
That has literally NEVER happened.
Its explained in the novels that gods get stronger through prayers.
Regardless Kratos isnt a full god like those.
According to the GoW2 novel after he took the Blade back he would have all his godly physical strength but he wouldn't be a god in status
Kratos is definitely more than a demigod in status but he isnt a 100% god.
Ares and Kratos in Rhodes could do stuff like descent from the skies in flames.
Are could levitate and shoot fire balls from his hands.
Kratos is stronger than pure blooded gods but in status he is inferior.
Zeus godhood was far more potent,who could do basically anything including create clones and new abilities on the fly.
Kratos was stronger and more skilled.
Cory Barlog said a mortal part still dwells within Kratos,which causes him anger he keeps in check.
Kratos IS a god but the term is very vague in the Norse games,all kinds of half breed hybrids with lots of strength are referred to as gods.
A god in general yes,a pure god like Zeus, Poseidon,Hades,Ares etc definitely not after the opening of GoW2.
Matter of fact we have never actually played a full god Kratos,he only appeared for that first cutscene in GoW2
When GoW Ragnarok Kratos goes all out he has the same strength as GoW3 Kratos.
Problem is he only went all out when he broke Thors tooth and likely when he was on top of Heimdall chocking him,both were huge moments and a big deal in the story.
The writers let you know when it happens,they show his face upclose having the classic scowl from the Greek Games(especially as he chokes Heimdall he shows that GoW3 angry face,its very intentianal,the camera focuses on it)
Old Kratos at 100%>>>>>>>>>>>Old Kratos normally/initially.
And he starts from this baseline level and builds up to his full the more he is forced to.
But almost always he is at baseline,he propably was at 70% in the second fight with Thor cause he was serious but holding back and Mimir says "Stay in control of it brother!" if you go into Spartan Rage,implying that he was starting to get close to his full power
So no one is stronger than each other as of NOW.
GoW Ragnarok(100%)~GoW3 Kratos
Same strength,and again its literally what the director of Ragnarok said
As for Greek Gods vs Norse Gods
Their physical stats are similar,and even the devs said that the pantheons are comparable.
The Greek gods have more variety in abilities and more powerful abilities.
The Norse Gods have stronger MAGIC, but magic is something that is learned or acquired.
Zeus for example wasnt a magic user,those were his natural abilities,they were tied to his psysiology.
Odin being stated as having the most powerful magic only places his magic above other magic users,like Freya.
Same way Thors lightning wasn't magic, lightning naturally cursed through his body.To the point the devs said his internal lightning consumed his body after he died.
Time to compare the Gods.
Zeus is stated as being propably stronger than Thor.
Odin and Zeus are implied to be comparable on 3 seperate statements,albeit one dev said Zeus would win.
So Zeus>~Odin(due to his magic,his physical stats are far behind)
The dev that said this is the director of Valhalla,dev Bruno.
He said that Zeus and Odin would be a good match due to their similar positions
Zeus is stated as being stronger than Baldur NO CONTEST by Bruno.
Meaning Zeus is massively stronger than Baldur
Using Brunos logic of positions Tyr would be comparable to Ares,who is probably like 1/3 or 1/4th the strength of Zeus if i am being honest
Kratos was at only his baseline strength against Tyr,said baseline Kratos was mocked and killed by a casual Thor.
Thor was laughing at this output
According to dev Bruno Thor vs Poseidon a very debatable fight.
Poseidon is canonically SLIGHTLY more powerful than Hades and the novels say the two brothers fight all the time without very clear result.
Thors blows are stated AS strong AS ANY.
This statement doesnt mean he is stronger,such wording only means Thor is on the same level as the strongest of Gods,which is true.
Zeus only being PROPABLY stronger than Thor should give Thor the edge over Poseidon who is undisputably weaker than Zeus
GoW3 Kratos~GoW Ragnarok Kratos(100%)>=Zeus>~Odin>>Thor>~Poseidon>=Hades>Holding Back Kratos>Ares~Tyr~Baldur
How is Baldur only Ares level?!
In the GoW2018 novel Kratos says that he" could have pulverized all of Baldurs bones in an instant if he was the god he once was"
Thats the massive difference between baseline Kratos and full power Kratos
Basically the novel says Kratos could have just oneshotted Baldur in the second fight.
Even Odin cant be above the Greek Pantheon simply becausw Mimir said "Odin would conquer every realm on every land if he COULD"
Odin clearly knows a lot about Zeus etc.
If even Odin was more powerful we know he would have conquered the Greek realm.
Odin was cautious of Kratos from even before 2018 cause he knew Kratos killed the Greek Gods
Odin more than likely has compared himself to Zeus and believes that if Kratos killed Zeus then he can kill him too IF Kratos loses control.
Another dev was also asked if Old Kratos is stronger and he said that Old Kratos gets his strength from the fact that he has a child to protect
This confirms that the reason Old Kratos would win comes down to motivation.
This statement was supposed to be a follow up to what Cory said.
Everything in the games narrative basically tells you that GoW3 Kratos would kill the Norse Gods(although Odin wouldnt go down easy at all).Thats what they are saying to you
To say that the Norse Gods are far superior to the Greeks and that Current Kratos has gone far past GoW3 Kratos is completely dishonest and extremely unintellectual.
You need to be biased and or stupid,or to have flat out not known anything about the games.
Saying that Old Kratos easily stomps GoW3 Kratos when he constantly has issues with lesser opponents is dumb.
How is he gonna easily beat his younger self when Thor always gave him a good fight?
It IS possible he has some hidden strength he hasnt shown,but the problem is even his strongest moments in Ragnarok are at best equal to his younger prime going by the narrative.
Kratos isnt written to be far weaker yes,but he isnt written to be much stronger either.
He is written to still have that old power inside him but he holds it locked away
Another statement from the artbook also says "Kratos is still a formitable warrior but he restricts himself"
Where does it say he is much stronger?It basically says what I am saying
Yes this vid was ass ngl.
Bro really had the balls to say Mjolnir > Blade of Olympus💀
He is only a baseline god, he only kept his Godly Physiology and it's base physical stats (his God of War Strength,etc)
Everything else was amped by Magic Powers which are Physical Amps.
So he is like nowhere near his GOW3 self.
He would scale to his version when fighting the Colossus, when he only had his Godhood and Poseidon Magic also the Blades of Athena which is much more than any weapon from his current arsenal.
W and great breakdown! Greek Kratos and gods>Norse Kratos and gods in overall power
Bros fuming🔥🔥🔥
Bro wrote a whole ass novel
Baldur’s “more powerful than any I’ve experienced” statements refers to invulnerability. Odin’s curse statements refers to Kratos’ inability to help freya against his curse (His curses scale much higher than all of his attacks anyway). Thor’s and Tyr’s statements blatantly puts them among the god tier beings in the Greek pantheon (Not stronger or weaker). Primordial foundation is the same across every realm so it’s made clear that the Greek and Norse pantheons are similar in structure for cross verse scaling.
Odin being stated to be the most formidable foe is also due to the fact of his strategic and manipulative advantages over Kratos, not just in power. Kratos having to use his most “spartan skills” is in reference to protecting his allies and Atreus. Nothing really states that the Norse gods are stronger than the Greek ones, but more formidable given the narrative of the situation that Kratos is facing.
Nothing really contradicts Kratos being nullified other than Cory answering an ambiguous and interpretable question. The GoW 2018 novel also states that Kratos lost musculature and was a shell of his former self.
There’s a lot of Greek magic that was so potent that Kratos couldn’t withstand it (Flame of Olympus, Fear, Zeus’s lighting directly, The sisters ability to manipulate fate.)
KEEP SPITTING KING
Thankyou
No, literally more likely talking about combat with baldur
Actually the sisters of fates couldnt manipulate kratos fate they could only create obstacles by sending certain warriors etc . And this was due to him holding the power of hope he was completely out of the sisters reach . This was further explained in the novels which is why they couldnt just wipe him out existence
@@thegodtier7947 and due to him not being able to put Baldur down for good with his invulnerability. Kratos emphasizes this later on and refers to him as “the man who cannot die.”
Are we all forgetting how Garm appeared to have the ability not just to consume matter, but also to consume and destroy entire concepts.
It is noted in-game that there was at one point a season that occurred between Winter and Spring. Garm, however, apparently consumed this season, and now not only does that season no longer exist, but it is no longer identifiable as having ever had a particular nature.
Nobody remembers anything specifically about it - not even its name - except knowing for sure that it had at one point existed. It also no longer has any impact upon the rest of reality, as there was apparently no discernable consequences for this season having been erased from existence.
This makes Garm perhaps the single most horrifyingly destructive entity in the entire franchise, as he can seemingly consume the informational structure of reality with no apparent constraints.
Edit: Garm also consumed a magical word, as well as a PORTION of Midgard.
See I say the same thing fenrir now is slept on harddd I personally believe bc of that encounter it bumps kratos up abit
Didn't know of this, thanks for the insight.
@@THENemesisXX99 yeah garm in mythose is nasty dude literally is the last the to be alive after Ragnaroks end
Do you know who else can seemingly consume the informational structure of reality? MYYYY MOOOOOOOOOM
@@johnpeyton3264 GET BACK TO WORK OR YOU’RE FIRED
Kratos has stated that he has killed gods greater than Heimdall and Mimir replies that he doesn't doubt it.
It'd be weird to say that Mimir is talking about Baldur, Magni and/or Modi here because he was actually there for those fights (and therefore wouldn't have to consider doubting the validity of Kratos's statement), so Kratos and Mimir were most likely referring to the greek gods.
This tells me that some of the greek gods, atleast, scale above Heimdall in terms of power.
Which would make Heimdall at most around Ares’ level, if we were to lowball that statement. Ares was stated to be among the mightiest Olympians; including with the brother kings, so this could unironically make Heimdall around Helios’ lvl and downscale the likes of Valkyries, Baldur, Sigrun and Atreus (at full focus) around the average god level, IF we were to include Ares in that statement. With examples being Thanatos, Hermes and Persephone.
Yeah this is my thing
The video doesn’t account for Greek Kratos’ growth and also that statement
@@ItsButterBean1020 no, it mostly accounts for Cory’s ambiguous tweet regarding 2018 Kratos’ strength which became heavily outdated once Ragnarok came out. It also accounts crossverse powerscaling also, but the directors wouldn’t even know what the fuck any of that is if you were to mention the Yggdrasil’s placement on dimensional tiering. I wouldn’t know what would validate a person’s placement in the verse other than status, when trying to view it through the director’s interpretation.
While I agree that 3 brothers>=Baldur and Heimdall, I feel like Heimdall statement is very misinterpreted. Mimir says "I know, but that's not my point", meaning that just because gods were "greater" than Heimdall, doesn't mean they were "harder to kill".
@@theseeker7692 totallly agree with you. There’s an incentive to Baldur and Heimdall other than just being power houses. All of those aspects apply to Odin, so that’s why in the guidebook, he’s stated to be the most formidable foe that Kratos has to face, in overall circumstances of course. Thor is compared to a group of beings in terms of how powerful he strikes, (meaning he’s on the level of Hercules and Poseidon at least). I don’t think that would apply to Zeus due to the immense gap between any other being in the Greek pantheon and his eminence.
"As Long As Kratos Wins Im Happy!!!😂"
Buddy did NOT just say that the Blade of Olympus is weaker than Mjolnir and that Baldur is stronger than Zeus. Baldur got slammed by a rusty 2018 Kratos (he's rusty according to 5 sources) and Kratos straight up tanked a Mjolnir blow to the face at the end of the game whereas he was heavily restrained in the Midgard fight.
yep ppl like Goku-Chronic as well as those who actually believe that Kratos was killed by Thor all just yap for the sake of yapping
Rusty doesn’t mean he’s weaker, sure it means his fighting skills could be dulled but that doesn’t mean he’s physically weaker
Gods can sit around all day and not get weaker
And can you prove kratos word isnt valid? Not bringing up the fact that kratos still has a peice of hope left over
@@godzillazfrictionbut yeah he was only knocked out
There are some arguments backing up Greek Gods though in the game itself
When Mimir discover that Kratos is Zeus son he says "This explains a lot", meaning Zeus is particularly know among the Pantheons to be very powerful
And when Kratos talk about having killed stronger Gods than Heimdall Mimir says "I don't doubt that", meaning he isn't speaking of either Magni, Modi or Baldur but Greek ones
Plus, Kratos isn't immortal, he just can't die by his own hands as a curse
And against Thor he was holding back as Thor himself says
No god is rlly immortal
he is immortal, meaning he can live forever unless he is killed. plus kratos was killed multiple times and still came back
Kratos is immortal when talking about aging but he can still die from illness or in battle.
@@vngaming255no kratos immortality is actually related to him not staying dead he keeps coming back ,and if you talking about Greek gods immortality then they cannot die of age and illness only an another powerful being can kill them or a mortal with very powerful hax like POH or weapons like gauntlet of Zeus and blades of chaos, Olympus
@@vngaming255kratos can’t die of old age
Older Kratos is stronger physically. Gods passively get stronger over time.
Kratos technically ain’t a God though,he just has the powers of one even his age is wierd since he definitely isn’t immortal age wise and will eventually die of age and even if we look past that i dont recall it ever being stated in official material that Gods get stronger over time in GoW Verse,i believe the misconception comes from Marvel’s Norse Gods that get stronger the older they are,i mean of course they get stronger from when they are born to adulthood but from their old age they remain the same if not weaker and if you got something that proved your statement please send it cuz i have heard some other people also say this with literally 0 proof and always wondered
@mvp746 Kratos himself tells atreus he is a God.
Spoiler Alert incase you haven't played Valhalla
Kratos does take up the job of God of War
@@rafi_sensei5421 He also tells Atreus by the end of the game that he(Atreus) is part Giant from Faye’s side and part god and mortal from Kratos’ side,u must have missed that dialogue.
and yes he takes the “job” of God of War or Hope the title of it,not its powers or anything and i have been hearing this long before Valhalla came out just thought u had some actual proof its okay not necessarily disagreeing with you bro
@@mvp746he’s Zeus’s son , he’s a god
@@mvp746a regular human being doesn’t fall 10 stories high and survive like it’s nothing
They can’t damage a god or tank one.
Spoiler Alert: Kratos won.
Wow. Did not see that coming damn. I thought kratos would win but hey, I could see kratos winning
@@vngaming255yeah same though kratos put up a good fight
Kratos won? HOW?!?! KRATOS SHOULDVE BEAT KRATOS, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
No kidding Sherlock
WHAT HOW KRATOS SHOULD HAVE WON
Zeus is weaker than baldur? The Brady guide literally states Zeus is getting stronger in there fight and why was not that featured here? Along with the fact he has been empowered or possessed by the concept of fear? He fought a bloodlusted kratos that has all the hax like the primordial flame and all of it can empower said user? Along with hades claws having atlas’s soul? And many more Greek lore has to offer?
The blades of chaos houses the power of the primordial chaos so yeah, it’s far more stronger and to say that the Norse can do as well what the Greeks does is just disingenuous as Odin can’t even do it in there fight.
Even the difference between gods is different, the Greek gods are connected to reality and when they die, a part of said reality goes with them, even this was more evident in the fact that Zeus eyes are that of the sky, solidifying his own omniscience.
Man calling Greek misinterpretations, headcanon, wog statements and saying all of them are debunkable is just funny to be honest when even Norse relies as well on this statement and also Greek statements doesn’t just come from Bruno Velasquez and you even pulled up Cecil Kim and completely disregarded it and from other people that worked in the god of war before like Ariel Lawrence along with there websites like lost world of which explains more of the primordials and the novels with Gaia even saying time is meaningless to them and she is right as she could even into the past, present and future which can give him as well manipulation of it.
I mean zues can't beat baldur even if he is stronger because buldur can't die
@@StefanWinchester and? The Olympian gods are literally immortal and would need a lot more than just mistletoe.
And even if baldur can’t die, what can he do beside die all the time? Baldur is like a child compared to the Greek gods whom has done feats even bigger than he did, and also remember Prometheus? Yeah, this is no contest.
@@StefanWinchesterZeus literally can take away his immortality you know nothing about his hax.
@@yodogarou36Odin's magic >>> greece magic
@@minilla2382 Odin’s magic gets disabled by Zeus 😂 Odin’s hax is overrated and weak
The ideas that mjolnir has greater feats than the blade of olympus, and that zeus is weaker than bauldr are ridiculous. BoO ended the great war in one massive expulsion of power, thats above anything from any norse weapon
Mjolnir is stronger
@@BamBamBinBinno its noy e
@@BamBamBinBinnot 😂
Kratos survived being stabbed by the blade of Olympus vs Kratos his immortality bypassed by one swing of holding back Thor
Goated video, though the Primordials are existing before time would be them existing outside of linear time rather than simply existing in a place that time is 0 and thus Greek Kratos should have immeasurable speed as well. Only real contention I’ve had with the video.
The Primordials existed before creation even existed... not just before 'time' - Kratos doesn't have immeasurable speeds, he has 'irrelevant speed' which means that the concept of speed isn't bound to Kratos... all Primordials especially Thanatos, sisters of fates etc. have 'irrelevant speeds' because they're aren't bound amd transcend concepts such as space, time and dimensionality and that because they existed before creation even existed then you're definitely sure that they aren't bound to the concept of 'speed'
@@godzillazfrictionyeah this is wank
That last argument for Greek kratos might be some of the biggest copium I’ve ever heard from a fanbase💀
It was wild when I heard that argument
Yeah Greek kratos > Norse kratos
The OG kratos is unmatched, the OG games are superior and TC Carson is the one and only true voice of kratos
FINALLY A REAL GOW FAN young kratos will literally chew old kratos and the Greeks easily beat the Norse I don’t know how any of this is a debate plus tbh GOW 1-3 kratos was just fun to play i hate this whimpy soft hearted kratos literally ruined why people loved Gow in the first place
@F324. I really appreciate it ma G and just to note something, a lot will say norse kratos is stronger. Well, where is your evidence? Like everything the norse kratos did, the OG kratos can do it easily, yet the only thing they can come up with is the statement of the guy who made him like that like wow so convenient and it's such a shame to see the god of war losing its identity to please new fans
@@morepower6800 EXACTLY people only have 2 reasons of old kratos being stronger 1. Greeks get stronger as they age. 2.the guy who made the game said so. First of all this is a game when you go back and physically play young kratos it just feels wayy better way stronger while in this he’s just slow there’s little to no agility compared to young kratos guy use to be swinging blades and dance battling everyone lol and the owner of the game is of course going to say old kratos is stronger he’s got a game to sell he’s clearly not going to say “oh yeah we made this kratos weaker” that ain’t really a good sales pitch for a person who’s trying to convince people to buy the game
@@morepower6800 plus bro there’s no context like with GOW 1-3 there was soo much context build up people were crazy for the story but this it just went from really high to completely to the floor at least if they had just taken him to Egypt when he was young and destroyed that pantheon and then moved on to Norse met his wife had a child slowly calmed down then fair enough but it weren’t nothing like that he just randomly happened to go Norse and somehow got a wife had a child and become a civilians there’s no literally no context
The Greek Gods tend to have more impressive magic but the Norse Gods can actually fight Kratos. In most boss fights in the original trilogy none of the main Gods seemed to be able to handle Kratos hand to hand.
hades can,dont forget that only way to defeat hades is steal his soul
@@HORROR-vt1gm He didn't said All gods, he said Most
@@jm17991 hades is one of them
@@ToxicChaos115 Zeus, Poseidon, Thanatos, Ares, Hercules etc. were all able to match kratos
@@ToxicChaos115 wrong, Zeus, Ares, Thanatos, Poseidon, Hercules, Hades etc. were perfectly able to handle kratos hand to hand
Not only that but Greek gods are said to get stronger as they get older, and god of war would make him about 1.055 years old or so
This applies to Norse gods as well.
@@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119 yeah
If based on real life mythology, greek civilization is indeed 1000 years older than norse.
But in GoW, Cory stated in his tweet that all mythology origin and foundation begin at the same time, so the Norse gods were already around the same time Greece gods being around, hence why Tyr able to visit other lands before Greece got destroyed as well as his imprisonment.
If Kratos is 1000+ years old, he should be older than all Norse gods, but he didn't. 100 years winter had already begun even before Kratos arrival in Norse land
@@Xul-Xata oh I didn’t see that tweet never mind then thanks for the correction
Bro what an amazing video with well explanations. Very well done!
Glad you liked it!
Ya know I always say it like this. It goes back to what Corey Barlog’s statement. Kratos wins no question, Young kratos was a destroyer. Thor is a destroyer. In a sense, Kratos did beat him. Thor resembles that image of himself and Kratos himself sees that. Which is why he gave him that talk after the fight bc he understood him.
Trash
Greek kratos folds badly a major part left out is helios being needed to destroy the world piller something that if destroyed would destroy all of creation and helios power was neede to do so yet helios gets negged in gow3 showing how even someone who has the power to destroy creation isn't close to beating greek kratos plus cory isn't valid whatsoever it isnt his choice to decide whis stronger as he didnt make the original games he helped heavily in gow 2 but wasn't very important to the rest of the saga plus cory stated the norse and greek pantheons exist on the same planet which simply cant work as both pantheons have their own reasons wnd origins you cant make the same planet twice in greece primordials after affects created the planet in norway odin did with ymirs corpse cory making a statement that cant be anything but wrong brings all of his statements to question as it shows his willingness to make stuff up on the go ots especially obvious when he states baldur beats zues which is obviously incorrect as baldur is basically fooder having no feats whatsoever compared to zeus who can arguably beat gow3 kratos and he effortlessly created a weapon with his own power capable of one tapping a race of being who can accidentally create infinite dimensions than being able to take numerous stabs from said blade compared to kratos who died to one and nearly died to his second one this also shows zeus superior regeneration abilities being able to basically insta heal from something that one tapped low multiversal beings that trancend beings that transcend space and time itself this alone is all i need to think the greeks solos as a whole the norse also having crazy anti feats like kratos being hurt by rocks or needing spartan rage for a bear or how atreus needs numerous swings with a weapon to break a chest open yet his attacks are seen hurting and affecting odin later on despite atreus getting no canonical power boost this could make the argument odin=chest arguable theres also the statement from kratos that hes fought gods far stronger than heimdall and that thor someone who scales to the tree is only on par with the strength of the Olympians and thor was at first holding back but not after leaving tyrs temple its pretty obvious hes not pulling his swings anymore plus a fully bloodlusted thor got low diffed by a holding back kratos who just wanted to talk and as we see in their first fight kratos losing control for just one hit knocked thors teeth out yet a bloodlusted thor gets folded by the calmest kratos in the series plus the greek pantheon has numerous sclaes putting the Olympians comfortably at multiversal to hyper with kratos and zeus having outer to boundless args without poh or pof the highball overall feats and scaling of the Olympians in tern kratos is easily enough to defeat the aseir that are riddled with biased statements and tons of anti feats and I barely touched on the Olympians individual feats same with the aseir but regardless imo the Olympians/kratos neg i sleep now
Please watch a god of war cosmology explained video because you've misunderstood the entire thing
@Rdc_Dom the greek primordials are stated to quintessential abstract concepts putting the primordials titans and Olympians easily in outer the Olympians are stated to not be affected by the concepts of time and space therefore transcending them and battle between the titans and the Olympians created eight different concepts the only thing that gets odin in outer is a statement from cory saying yggdrassil transcends concepts and there's not even a consistent argument for him to be above yggdrassil plus the numerous statements in game that put gow3 kratos>gow5 kratos easily plus a statement from kratos himself saying thor someone who can splinter yggdrassil is only on par to the strongest blows he's felt putting a hyper to outer ap character just on par with the Olympians going off inverse statements from characters the Olympians are stronger and young kratos is stronger than old and going off feats and scaling the greek saga is still massively above the only edge the norse saga has is numerous statements from cory saying they're above or equal when there's no evidence to suggest this to be true infact its the complete opposite feats>ingame statements>novel statements>dev statements
@thatguy5583 Bro, I didn't say there was anything wrong with your scaling, just that you misinterpreted the cosmology of the GOW multiverse. Yes, all the mythologies exist on the same earth, but they are separated by dimensional barriers, so each of their creation myths coexist. They are described as being like different galaxies all inhabiting the same physical space. One thing I would add is that Odin does have complex multi - outer scaling via creations feats just like the primordials. Odin in his battle with Ymir the first giant, the tremors of their battle birthed all of creation in the Nordic world. Time, space, reality, and the world tree were all born from this point. Furthermore, Odin created the nine realms from the bones and flesh of Ymir. Odin also scales above Mijolnir via creating a tree that Mijolnir couldn't break. Thor and Mijolnir being able to splinter the world tree down to the root. The world tree being beyond concepts like time and space and also having multiple infinite branches. This very feat Kratos stated himself, "That is madness." However, Mimir also states that the magics Kratos possessed in the Greek were beyond anything he had heard of, Kratos confirms this. So really what I'm getting at is that the heavy hitters of Greece and The Aesir are physically relative but the Greeks surpass them in terms of hax and magics.
@Rdc_Dom I'm aware this comment is outdated honestly the way cory describes the mythologies existing on one planet still dosen't make much sense in all honesty but I'm aware now I was wrong atleast regarding how the mythologies coexist
completely disagree young kratos has more powerful weapons is has more strength and speed and he fought stronger gods
I always had the suspicion Elderly Kratos was stronger than Youthful Kratos & my suspicion was confirmed true.
Without the magic he has from Greece along with weapons and armour becomes an entirely different story.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 elaborate?
please dont go based of this video, it is so biased.
@@04rugrat Right, go off the creative director's word instead. So what does he say?
GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)''
Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.''
Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs.
Young kratos takes the win here, due to his vastly superior hax and equipment, and physical amps would make him stronger.
Not only did Old Kratos lose all of the Op equipment and hax he had from Greece( minus the blades of chaos) its stated he’s lost muscle mass. And he implied he’s gotten weaker with the bed time story he gave to Atreus. He is also said to be a shell of his former self.
Kratos himself said that he has killed greater gods than Heimdall. And You can get Heimdall above Baldur and somewhat to Thor.
The arguments some people may use to say Norse > Greek gods are bad.
“Baldur was said to be the strongest Kratos has ever faced”.
This is Incorrect Due To MisJudgement, Here are the most relevant Instances
1. It said kratos strength was insufficient to put Baldur down. This is reference to Baldur being cursed with invulnerability. But when Baldur loses it Kratos beats him.
2. Power of Fear Zeus light bolt literally one shotted all of GOW3 Kratos equipment. Equipment far stronger than the blades of chaos which is at least relative to Mjolnir( it is superior). Baldur’s feats in his fight with Kratos don’t compare to what Zeus did.
3. It references Baldur as a mortal Kratos does not know he is a god yet. So the statement isn’t comparing Baldur to Greek gods rather the mortals Kratos has fought.
4. Odin who physically is shown on par with Thor is stated to be physically inferior to Zeus media.discordapp.net/attachments/1026169973934141534/1191558311120748544/IMG_5684.png?ex=65a5e027&is=65936b27&hm=2a97127aa6816d46887e6c595d67273ec1cd29624ea955f52bb039c614222039&.
Why would Baldur be > Zeus if he is inferior to Odin ?
Odin being stated to be the most formidable enemy Kratos faced is in reference to him being a master manipulator.
"Kratos said that Thor's Blows were the strongest he had ever taken."
Well, Thor’s blows being as heavy as any Kratos has felt is in reference to the weight of Mjolnir. And Mjolnir again is GOW1 level if you want to say its equal to the blades of chaos( which is stated to be superior).
Talk your shit bro. Young kratos def bodies old kratos easily.
@@mrbiggielarge agreed but we are still comparing a more experienced and controlled Kratos to a no holds bar Kratos.
If older Kratos didn't hold back all the time he'd definitely out-scale younger Kratos with strength alone.
@@mrbiggielargeAbsolutely. Blade of Olympus. Enough said.
Hang on a second, when you say the bed time story for Atreus, are you referring to the one about the old man who chopped wood?
If so, I think you really misinterpreted that story.
Greek fans cope so hard when literally every powerscaler on the platform says Greek and Aesir are relative 😂
Lost all potential credibility when he said Zeus is weaker than Baldur and the blade of Olympus is weaker than Mjolnir. Seems like this dude isn't even a fan of the old games, the way he keeps trying to shit on the fans of them
That's Edgard scaling for you
@@owensilva9224who is Edgard?
Baldur and Mjolnir simply have better feats Baldur has blatant relative scaling to old kratos who is stated to be stronger than His younger self the same young kratos that beat up every Greek god without trouble including Zeus the only thing Zeus did was one shot him with his astral form but when kratos got his own power up what happened to Zeus? He got stomped out easily once again which shows that Zeus never really had a chance against kratos yet Baldur is launching a stronger kratos in the air and easily taking kratos to the ground and having kratos limping back to his house when did Zeus do that to a prime kratos and Mjolnir blatantly just murders kratos and even kratos states the Hammer was able to hit him harder than anything his felt kind of implying Mjolnir is one if not the strongest so which feats do you have to put Zeus or the blade of Olympus above Baldur and Mjolnir
WWWW IM SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU MADE THIS VID FOR TODAY🔥❤️🔥
Why do I feel like this video was made not only to explain who is stronger, but also the fact is the creator of God of war, like the original creator did not like the direction Kratos was going in. It got a lot of people mad, no angry serious all of the three at once because people were happy that Kratos is changing he’s he’s growing he’s learning he’s learning to be a better father. He’s learning to be a better mentor of a better friend, and he’s trying his best not to give into his violent tendencies. and the creator had the audacity to say Kratos having a son is weak. Wow yeah I’m gonna be honest I’m not god of war, expert or anything like that or the above but I know that if your character remains the same as just gonna get stale, and seeing Kratos grow as a character as a father, as a friend is a nice change of pace, he’s not weak. He’s mature and him learning from his mistakes and growing makes him much stronger and better. I don’t know what’s going on with the original creator but yes, I have to appreciate that. He is the guy who started God of war I won’t forget that but there’s a time in place where you really need to realize your character is growing. You can’t be an angry violent warmonger like he was anyhow have a great day stay safe, peace out.
You do realize in wog statement they said that Kratos is strong because of family you know? Even Bruno and Cory said this.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 yeah that’s why I meant man I’m must’ve forgot to type that when I type in this I know his family makes him stronger and that’s why I like about Kratos that he’s not the same person he is he’s growing and that’s character development which I like
@@blackprism5381bro ngl your first comment is gay af
Young kratos faster angrier and more aggressive with his move set
Old kratos stronger wiser slower but more accurate/deadlier with his moves set
The creator of God of war 2018 has already confirmed old kratos is much stronger and definitely after the events of Ragnarok and Valhalla he easily win this
Because of family, I saw that wog statement followed by Bruno Velazquez but anything else is debatable, the younger kratos still has a case to win this battle concerning he has all the haxes the Greek can offer and despite Norse magic saying it’s more potent, still pales in comparison to Greek magic that as well involves time travel and the very manipulation of it along with all of reality.
Even Hyperion, a titan and the former sun god, can create universal weapons with the very power of the primordial flame, can break the very boundary of the mortal realm and the underworld of which atlas was about to do in chains of Olympus, and atlas raw strength can hold the very weight of the entire Greek world comprised of primordial beings having there own dimensions like Morpheus, nyx, Thanatos, chaos as well, along with the realm of the gods and titans.
Is weak compared to kratos young
Helios blatantly calls the Norse patheon weak. Why are you citing Valhalla as evidence?
@@yodogarou36 clearly a Greek god would say something like that also kratos performs a lot of crazy feat in Valhalla
@@Young_mir Helios blatantly says Kratos should easily be able to beat the Norse creatures and calls them weak
Also if you finish VALHALLA you can start the game over as YOUNG kratos using the blade of olympus instead of the axe and he the game is soo much easier and it shows that the blade is much much more powerful did you take that into account for this video ??
This video is blaspheme (respectfully) No Norse God has ever scaled up to the feats of Ares or Zeus.
Atreus griddys on Greece unfortunately
@@Goji-CL take
I mean this video is just you saying Norse are stronger/superior in every way with no ounce of criticism.
Despite the video being well informed it reads like you looked for the facts to suit your narrative rather than came in neutral because you prefer the newer Kratos/games.
Therefore I'd contest your summery of everything, because you have ignored fair points that contradict the conclusion you came to.
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Great Video!
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GoW3 Kratos is definitely stronger than GoW4 and GoWR Kratos. For one, Kratos literally lost all of his abilities and hax at the end of GoW3 and Kratos himself said that he lost all of his magical abilities. Also, people like to throw around the “Greek gods get stronger as they age” argument even though it was never stated and we can’t quantify how much stronger they get over time. There’s also multiple sources that state that Kratos was rusty at the beginning of GoW4. If Kratos was just constantly amassing power over time, he wouldn’t have had a problem with Baldur. GoW4 and GoWR Kratos would be above base GoW1 or beginning of GoW2 Kratos at best.
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Battle of Rhodes Kratos actually (when fighting the Colossus)
He only had his Godhood and Poseidon Magic.
@@vodkaEditz Maybe before he gets the Blade of Olympus.
@@vergil2067 Yeah before he got the Blade of Olympus (post Zeus as an Eagle nerf)
@@vergil2067 Kratos was rusty in the sense that he hasn’t fought an opponent who could match him for a while, that doesn’t mean kratos is physically weaker. Also Cory barlog literally confirmed that Old Kratos would beat his younger self without question, that renders your entire post moot.
Yo bro you forgot another feat for Norse kratos. In the new Valhalla dlc he actually destroys Valhalla (with his bare hands) to save Mimir. That should be at least high multi or low outer
He didn't destroy Valhalla, he only broke one of its rules.
bro Norse fans will make up the goofiest shit just to glaze
@@n_word_gaming yeah some even try using the Thor split Yggdrasil in the prophesy but it never happened ahhaahahahahahahaah.
He was only able to send jormie back in time because of surtr and Asgard being torn asunder bit by bit because they once again faced in the past with said young jormie and they only shook the nine realms and even Thor can’t kill it and funny enough, baldur knocked out an older jormie that is stronger and older later on and they try to make excuses like it was a surprise attack when baldur literally attacked jormie whose punches echoed throughout the body and baldur is like Thor, a guy who gives a flying fuck about stealth and just goes in and this time, the realms didn’t shook so either the tree is selective and shakes it’s ass for Thor or I don’t know what the hell ahahahaahahahahah.
@@n_word_gaming it’s even more funny as well if you heard of the giant starkadr, a general of the giant race with many arms and is strong to make Thor fear and the giants throughout the series are not even like the titans that all of them are heavy hitters, conquerors and warlords, they have a peaceful mindset and are only keen to protecting there own kind and Thor was afraid of it that he had to use lies and propaganda to stir everyone to kill it for him, even so far as saying the giant raped an elven queen of which even is hullshit hahahahhahaha, and funny enough they all fell for it.
And he is the strongest god in Norse? The god that people keep yapping about being able to defeat Zeus along with his brothers? Much less the titans, champions, and the primordials? This guy?
Seriously his only saving grace is Bruno’s statement about him equal to Poseidon and it’s just sad ahahahhahahahha, the very person the guy in the video is talking about being an unreliable narrator ahahahahahaahah of the irony.
People like to hype up the giants as more strong than titans when in reality, the giants are nothing like the titans, they are literally saints compared to the titans and are not even reality benders and people think Thor killing them is a great feat is just facking hilarious ahahhaahhahahaha.
If the titans were in the Norse giants place, they would not take this lying down and even storm Asgard and destroy it, and splatter the gumbo drunker into the ground and beat his deadbeat father’s ass to kingdom come as majority of them are literally reality warping warlords and conquerors, even Gaia as well and that woman is the primordial god of life.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 Mimir literally said “ I think you broke how Valhalla works” how is that not enough evidence?
The Devs Literally Said What Old Kratos Is Stronger Without A Debate Because He Is Literally Older And More Experienced + Has Power Control.
Wrong
@@owensilva9224 It Was Stated By The Creators Of The Game.
@@ДмитрийРубежов-э1б k still wrong
@@owensilva9224 The Creators Of The Game Statement > You're Opinion.
@@ДмитрийРубежов-э1бwrong
Кратос в старых частях: Уничтожает целые горы, выдерживает удары титанов и выбирается из ада как из душа.
Кратос в новых играх: О нет, предо мной деревянный куст который меня не пускает по сюжету. Даже супер горящие клинки заоса не могут зжечь жти колючки.
If I recall correctly, Novels of God of War are stated to be secondary canon until the game either backs it up or contradicts it so the idea that Kratos "had never encountered something that potent" and "forced had control over her were far more powerful than any he had experienced before" is strongly contradicted with Mimir telling Kratos that his tales in Greece were exaggerated and being amazed that Greek Gods held "every flavor of magic you can imagine", I like how you call out people bringing out Freya's statements that Norns aren't as versatile as their Greek Counterpart and completely leave out Mimir calling Kratos' tales exaggerated which holds more weight than you think if you look at the context.
Please note that Cory Balrog would have had to approve these lines that strongly contradict the novel and him saying Norse Kratos is stronger and with every directors taking over, any new director can choose to contradict previous opinions of Directors, if you're going to use the logic that Norse Kratos wins and Norse Gods win against Greek Kratos and Greek Gods because of what Cory said, I can say the exact same thing favoring Greeks with Eric stating that Kratos isn't as strong as he used to be.
Although I can get by Tyr being the most formidable he has ever fought, with context that Tyr isn't just knowledgeable with Norse magic but Magic from Different Pantheons.
To solidify, Mimir also said that if Odin had The Sisters of Fate's power, they'd be more fucked, this alone strongly suggest Greek superiority. Good job ignoring that too.
Mimir was referring to kratos traveling back into to win a battle lost as unbelievable. The fate of loom is one of the most powerful artifacts in Greece due to its hax. Nothings really contradicted baldur can still hit harder then anyone he’s felt before and mimir can still be flabbergasted at the thought of someone freely traveling through time to win.
@@kaymeachem1619 "Mimir was referring to kratos traveling back into to win a battle lost as unbelievable." Didn't he say "The LEGENDS I heard of The Ghost of Sparta were surely exaggerated" LEGENDS - Plural, even if he was just referring to the Sisters of Fate vs Kratos, Zeus had that access to power that Mimir states would fuck The Norse World if Odin had it. Take into consideration, Novel is secondary canon until contradicted, that statement Kratos made, refers to invulnerability, do take into consideration that Freya is the one responsible for that "More powerful than any I've experienced" Even she was shook and surprised that Greeks had magic that that nothing in the 9 realms possess.
Even then the very same Novel also said that Kratos would have ripped him apart in his olden days.
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GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)''
Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.''
Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs. Cope.
@@kaymeachem1619Baldur’s statement is garbage and you know it.
At that time Kratos viewed him as a mortal the novel was referring to Baldur as the strongest mortal.
And Kratos being unable to put him down is because of Baldur’s hax not his strength.
You know damn well Zeus is the strongest enemy Kratos has ever faced. Feats prove otherwise. Zeus literally destroyed all of Kratos equipment in a single lighting bolt. Baldur is not even relative to the axe and is weaker than the blades. So how could Baldur possibly hit harder than anyone kratos has fought before? Especially when Kratos low to mid diffed him in the final fight. It took Kratos everything he had to take Zeus down.
Idk, I just feel that young kratos gameplay wise just feels more nimble to use is all- feels like he's not holding back in a sense.
-There is a ton of stuff I disagree with, one thing is that Norse Kratos should equal to Greek Kratos when he traded blows with Zeus because he never got any stronger after his fight with Zeus. It is clearly implied in the GOW 2018 novel that the Blades of Chaos are vastly superior to the Leviathan Axe because when Freya said that the Leviathan Axe would be useless when it came to facing the dead in Helheim and that he needed a more powerful weapon, Kratos realized he would have needed the Blades of Chaos to accomplish that. The question that asked Corly Barlog about whether Norse Kratos or Greek Kratos is stronger, the Greek Kratos they were likely referring to is when he was the god of war before he transferred all his godly strength into the Blade of Olympus in GOW2. As for speed, the speed of Helios' light is immeasurable because it was stated that he lit up the entire Underworld which is said to be infinite in size and Hermes was shown in GOW3 to be able to dodge Helios light which was said by the developers to be an intentional feat and because Zeus is shown be significantly faster than Hermes in the GOW2 novelization, Greek Kratos should be faster than Hermes in terms of the speed of his attacks as he fought on par with Zeus.
Although Thor was able to one shot Kratos, who is immortal, that should never be considered a strength feat, instead it is more of a special ability. The codex description of Thor referred to his attacks as being described as being as heavy as anything that Kratos had felt, this is referring to opponents he fought on par with because he said “as heavy as any attack I have felt”, this should put Thor on par with Hercules and Zeus as they were strongest opponents he fought on par with at his peak before achieving Power of Hope.
That statement by Kratos about Baldur's power being more powerful than anything he had faced and that his full strength would be insufficent is SEEMINGLY contradicted when Kratos starts to pummel and ragdoll Baldur in his fight with him when he stops holding back his rage to protect his son. What the statement meant was the curse that Freya had placed on Baldur is more potent than the magic in the Greek world. Also in that same novel, when Atreus and Kratos were in Helheim, they saw a phantom Kratos who was described as being more muscular and younger which shows that Greek Kratos is stronger than Norse Kratos when he is holding back. Lastly, the statement referring to Odin's magic being far more potent than anything he had seen is referring to Odin's curses he placed on certain characters like Freya or Mimir. I don't mean that the Norse pantheon is far weaker than the Greek pantheon, the Norse pantheon is undeniably formidable, as the scaling so far is pretty much this below:
Zeus = Greek Kratos (at his peak before utilizing power of Hope) = Norse Kratos (when going all out) >= Odin >= Thor >= Tyr = Niddhog >= Freya >>> Yggdrasil roots >>> Yggdrasil strand = 5 dimensional space
Note: Odin is placed as being slightly inferior to Norse Kratos because he felt fear after Norse Kratos threatened to stop holding back his strength if he didn't return his son.
I myself have just recently caught up on god of wars lore. And the first thing I wanted to find out was the scaling of the series. This video was very well done and very informative. Thank you 🙏
How does Norse have better feats than the Greek saga? I see a lot of the new God Of War fans probably wasn’t even born then or just too young to appreciate how epic the old God Of War games were.
In the game they give him better feats also greek gods get stronger as they age and kratos rage and power absorbing ability lets him get stronger
@@aushynebell2238wrong
I stopped watching when you went on a brag of what developers of new God Of War says.
Not like OG director David Jaffa was talking and let's ignore marketing where new games needed to top the trilogy
soooo much people keep saying younger kratos is stronger but goji you didn't even have to bring up that greek gods grow stronger with age that alone should scale kratos above his younger self excellent video keep them coming.
Wrong
Applies to Norse gods as well
@@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119 wrong
false
@@owensilva9224 Tell that to Tyr and Freya
Thing is young kratos is stronger ability wise but in terms of power old kratos is milles ahead remember Greek gods get stronger as they age but old kratos limits himself purposely remember anger was the key to kratos power so the less angry he is the weaker he is
I am pretty sure most people believe Kratos would win in his Greek era due to his Blade of Olympus and death defying feats and his arsenal. Since he has the blades of Hade's for one which allows him to summon the souls of all those he takes(Which would be interesting if he could bring forth Hades' soul and force him to fight on his behalf), The cestus of Heracles which I believe increases his power by 10 times, and his spartan/titan rage. Then you have people who think he lost a massive magin of his power when he gave up the power of hope along with trying to kill himself. Hope being a whole different power being enough to overpower Fear Zeus' soul when it was powerful enough to kill Kratos and strip him of all his weapons and revive Kratos from the brink of death. Then you have the fact that the Blade of Olympus should be an extremely powerful weapon in the end of 3 since at the beginning of GoW2 he drains all of his Godly power into the blade increasing its power even more. Then you add on all the power he had gained in his rampage through Olympus placing him wielding it at the scale of 2 Kratos(1 being His power from GOW1 and then his base power in 3) Whether the addition of his godhood into the blade drastically affected the actual blade's power or not is a point to bring up however but still. GoW 5 Kratos should still be more powerful due to the different scaling and Author statement as well. But the better arguement is How difficult would it be for GoW5 to face the aggression of GoW3 Kratos being able to fight far more aggressive, faster, and with less care for damage as his older self. Also knowing that he can't really kill himself for good since he would return again like always. I think with his aggression, Blade of Olympus, and full Power access to Hope if he does get to death's door he would put up a much better fight than you may think. Still would likely lose to him but feats arent everything when it comes to a fight since how they fight does matter for a lot of things.
Amazing video bro, keep it up!
Thanks! Will do!
@@Goji-C I like how you only reply to people who agree with you, but you don't reply to people with different opinions.
I am not sure why people put importance on the story that Kratos tells Atreus. This story is actually a version of one of Aesop's fables, specifically "The Old Man and Death". This make sense as Aesop was a renowned Ancient Greek story teller, and was a figure that Kratos would have been familiar with. The moral of the story is "be careful what you wish for" and I think Kratos sees several parallels in himself but it isn't in reference to his physical strength. Rather, the burdens are his past actions/misdeeds. It is even applicable to his past self. The first game starts off with Kratos attempting to commit suicide, all because he is desperate to get rid of the pain and guilt of having killed his own family. Fun fact, in GoW 2018, Kratos told another one of Aesop's fables. Poorly.
You said Baldur is stronger than Zues??
Not at all!!
Hahaha, imagine baldur hitting harder than anything kratos ever faced! Really? Baldur hitting harder than fucking zues? bro.....
*Calm and Reasonable Person* fighting a *Person is too Angry to Die*
Fr bro there people saying kratos is not even city level when old kratos not holding back could be in outerversal tier
9:25-Say WHAT?!
The fandom really believed a graphical designer more than an author?!
12:04-Yea,probably this is why Bruno overrated the greek gods.
Edit:WTF is going on in the comments of this video?!The delusions here are ridiculous!
I completely agree with your edit lol
@@maestrulgamer9695 Bruno never overrated the Greek pantheon
@@maestrulgamer9695 Bruno never overrated the Greek gods, child
@@Mayan_88694
Found another delusional.
only real ones know that the past Goji clip is from the "Kratos vs all of the Gods of Destructions and Angels from DBS" (not to sure if i got the title right)
You might wonder how kratos became more powerful in norse saga well there is a simple explanation
*CHUCK NORRIS!!!*
yeah ima have to call straight cap on Mjiolnir being anywhere near the power of the blade of omlympus as Mjilolnir could barley keep up with the blades of chaos which are some of the weakest weapons in the greek pantheon
This is one of the most analytical, well researched, well said and well use of data i have ever seen. Colour me impressed damn
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I have definitely subscribed and am eager to watch more of your content. And your welcome
prepare for 1000 comments saying "uh, no, norse kratos hold back to his 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%, so norse gods are absolute fodders"
Ok sure, If I recall correctly, Novels of God of War are stated to be secondary canon until the game either backs it up or contradicts it so the idea that Kratos "had never encountered something that potent" and "forced had control over her were far more powerful than any he had experienced before" is strongly contradicted with Mimir telling Kratos that his tales in Greece were exaggerated and being amazed that Greek Gods held "every flavor of magic you can imagine", I like how you call out people bringing out Freya's statements that Norns aren't as versatile as their Greek Counterpart and completely leave out Mimir calling Kratos' tales exaggerated which holds more weight than you think if you look at the context.
Note that Cory Balrog would have had to approve these lines that strongly contradict the novel and him saying Norse Kratos is stronger and with every directors taking over, any new director can choose to contradict previous opinions of Directors, if you're going to use the logic that Norse Kratos wins and Norse Gods win against Greek Kratos and Greek Gods because of what Cory said, I can say the exact same thing favoring Greeks with Eric stating that Kratos isn't as strong as he used to be.
Although I can get by Tyr being the most formidable he has ever fought, with context that Tyr isn't just knowledgeable with Norse magic but Magic from Different Pantheons.
To solidify, Mimir also said that if Odin had The Sisters of Fate's power, they'd be more fucked, this alone strongly suggest Greek superiority. Good job ignoring that too.
People like don't go outside ?
@CostmioLabos "Mimir doesn’t contradict those statements at all. Those statements aren’t even related bro. Mimir saying his tales are “exaggerated” does not automatically mean that the Greeks are stronger."
- How are the statements not related? Please care to elaborate, what part of "Exaggerated" when decribing Kratos' tales in Greece despite being in an apparently "stronger" universe do you not understand?
"You said that goji left out the “exaggeration” but also left out when kratos said “impossible” when mimir said that Thor is fated to hit jorm so hard that he goes back in time."
- Ahh are you perhaps referring to this? ruclips.net/video/UEXIGuPtWbg/видео.html Where Kratos says "This is Madness" Do be careful with your choice of words when Kratos says "THIS IS MADNESS" Madness isn't synonym with Impossible, just putting that out there.
"A bit of double standard Greek glazing going on here. Mimir talking about the variety of Greek powers doesn’t mean that they are automatically stronger. For example, Hermes’ speed would be useless against heimdall and hades’ soul steal wouldn’t work against Baldur or garm."
- Ahh you seem to forget that it is usually an unwritten rule in media that having versatility equals more powerful especially within the realms of magic we're talking about, take into consideration that Mimir is the wisest of the 9 realms but even then stories he has heard of The Greek Gods still captivated him, the idea that versatility can equal power in this specific context can be further backed up with Surtr who described Kratos' Greek blades as "Primordial" And Kratos telling Mimir when talking about Heimdall "I have killed Gods greater than him"
"Eric never said that Norse kratos was weaker, he said that he’s “getting back into it” you’re reaching so far with this one. Yes, if you give any character the SOF’s time manipulation powers, that would be a huge boost."
- What do you want Eric to say? That he is straight up weaker then, to pull the bandage off, yeah that's bad business my guy. Eric has stated that Kratos was hella rusty when fighting Baldur, which debunks the "His power seems greater than anything I've ever seen"
"But it doesn’t even matter that much since in the novels, kratos was stated to resist the manipulation through sheer will, keeping in mind that this is the same kratos who is stated to be inferior to Norse kratos and Norse kratos being the one who is around equal to Thor and downright lost to Odin and had to jump him."
- You call me out on leaving out certain words to favor the Greeks yet you left out the part where I said the Novel is secondary canon until contradicted by the game which is the main canon, make it make sense.
"Bro is so mad at the video he’s copy pasted the same comment to everyone in the comments who says Norse > Greek 💀"
- Everyone? Get your eyes checked dude.
@CostmioLabos "Mimir saying that the tales are “exaggerated” doesn’t mean what you think it means as the tale he was talking about was the sisters of fate. In the novels it states that a GOW 2 kratos was able to resist the time manipulation powers of the SOF through sheer force of will. If this version of kratos can resist it, imagine what thor or Odin could do if they were put in the same scenario. Now if you try and convince me that a GOW 2 kratos who isn’t even peak Greek kratos can beat Thor or Odin who scale higher than him, I don’t know what to say considering kratos BARELY defeated Thor while Thor was poisoned and downright lost to Odin and needed to jump him then idk what to say."
- Does it matter even if he was just talking about the Sisters of Fate? It was still enough to captivate Mimir and even Freya, you know? The very same people who are supposed to be "Stronger" Again, Novels are secondary canon until contradicted by the game, this was confirmed when Kratos talked about The Sisters of Fate "threatening to undo my existence"
"Bro what does it matter that “he actually says madness” 🤓☝ kratos still doesn’t think it’s true. My point still stands you didn’t even try and argue against it just went 🤓☝. Please name a better strength feat in GOW than the jorm feat I wanna know what you think 🤣 kratos thinks it’s madness even after experiencing the powers of the sisters of fate, Zeus’ fear form etc, so the “mimir is shocked at the SOF’s powers” argument you keep making is kinda pointless here as the Thor feat scales higher anyway and even kratos thinks it’s “madness” 🤓☝ even after experiencing all of the Greek powers."
- Madness doesn't equal Impossible, how Dense can you possibly be? Kratos doesn't think it's true? How does that make sense when he himself traveled through time, you seem to forget when Kratos talked about time travel Mimir had to even ask "You're not speaking Metaphorically are you?" further implying that Greek's Time Travel is way better than Norse. If Kratos didn't think it's true, why would Mimir the very guy who even brought that topic up to him when talking about Greek Time Travel vs Norse Travel say that Thor hitting World Serpent back in time make more sense than Kratos journeying through time to win a battle once lost, Kratos saying IMPOSSIBLE makes no sense in context, stop twisting words and equating words with a definition that doesn't match, Madness does not equal impossible, I don't know why you think that. You talk about me twisting Eric's words when you're the one doing the same thing? Equating Madness with Impossible?
"What does surtr talking about the primordial fire in the blades have to do with the Greeks being stronger? There are primordials in both of the pantheons bud. Wow there are Greek gods that are stronger than heimdall, Interesting, it also says that Odin is the most formidable foe kratos has ever faced in the pre release for ragnarok, who woulda thunk since kratos needed help to beat him right? There are more statements that say Norse > Greek."
- It has alot to do with Greeks being stronger or at minimum have what Norse people don't have, If Norse>Greeks why couldn't he just use "Superior" Magic to jump start Ragnarok, why did he need Blades of Chaos, you seem to be so confident to scoff at how powerful Greeks, did you forget that in game Freya states that in Helheim no heat exists (meaning the realm completely nullifies the concept of heat not that it just isn’t there) and no magic in all the 9 realms yet the Blades Of Chaos could light a fire there and that's not even the strongest Greek weapon in the GOW mythos.
"Bro what unwritten rule are you talking about? You’re just making that up. I love how you didn’t even try and convince me Hermes could beat heimdall or hades could beat garm because you know they’d lose. That’s exactly my point in that just because you have more powers doesn’t mean that they make you stronger. Kratos is a prime example in this as his only powers are super strength and super anger and he steam rolls most of the gods he comes across."
- This is the guy that thinks Madness equals impossible... Ironic, why would I have to say anything about Hermes beating Heimdall or Hades beating garm, that's not even an important topic, you're the one that made a choice to bring those two gods up, whether or not they would win in a 1v1 fight who knows and I know they'd lose? Oh so you're twisting my words even though I never specifically brought them up... Fantastic! Ok then it's fair for me to bring up Bruno Valezques saying Zeus owns Baldur, is comparable to Odin and Thor is comparable to Poseidon's hippocampi.
"Yes kratos was rusty when he fought Baldur bro, how long has it been since GOW 3 ended and he’s lived his life in relative peace? Just because he’s rusty doesn’t mean that he’s not stronger? You tried getting away with saying “Eric said he’s weaker now” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 he literally said “getting back into it” bro you’re not fooling anyone but yourself. You still haven’t proved that he’s weaker now other than trying to change the devs statements to match your personal view. "
- Just because he is rusty doesn't mean he is not stronger? Great! tell your rusty Grandpa to do the exact same things he did in his prime or in his youth, I am suuure he'd love to do it! Do you know what Rusty means? you're telling me I am twisting Eric's words, do you know the definition of rusty? It means Kratos was impaired which also means weakened, the fuck you mean?
"How does the novel contradict the game here? You haven’t even explained your point."
- Kratos in the novel has stated that Baldur "seemed stronger" This was then retconned with Eric saying he was rusty during his fight with Baldur, ironically the same Novel even states that Kratos would have ripped him apart in his spartan days. That's a good example for starters, the novel has also stated that Kratos "HAD NEVER SEEN A MAGIC THIS POTENT BEFORE" This was then retconned in the game itself having Mimir and Freya captivated that such "Magic" In Greece existed and Freya even referring to what Kratos did against Sisters of Fate "Most Dangerous" This is supposed to be the Goddess of Magic, just letting you know.
"Go on bro keep copy pasting the same comment. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣"
- Yeah you need to get your eyes checked 🤷♂
@CostmioLabos "I never said that mimir and Freya were stronger than the Greeks, I for one think Freya is pretty weak on the grand scale of things. Doesn’t change the fact that you still haven’t debunked the point I just made, just said “well Freya and mimir are shocked”. "
Uhm, Mimir states that Freya is the deadliest opponent Odin has ever faced at one point and only won because he tricked her.
"Bro kratos isn’t saying time travel is impossible"
- Of course he didn't he said "Madness" a definition far different from Impossible, thansk for confirming that
"he’s saying that it’s madness that Thor hit jormungandr so hard that he splintered the yggdrasil and sent him back in time. The sisters of fates powers are set in stone, they can erase you from existence that’s what they do."
- Yes I agree he did describe it as Madness, but a while ago you said that Kratos said it was impossible, going back on your word, I see.
"Thor has insane strength and just broke reality by hitting a giant snake that hard. This is why kratos is shocked. You keep saying that “mimir and Freya are shocked” and you even tried to say “kratos says madness instead” however you want to put it, kratos is still shocked that someone can put out this much strength in one strike because guess what, he’s never seen anyone use that much strength before in a single attack."
- At no point did I invalidate Thor's strength, this whole topic is about you telling me that Kratos described it as Impossible, I did not invalidate him being shocked or even captivated by it, I called you out for twisting the words to make them sound like they're the same definition which is a big mistake at your part. I like how when I brought up Mimir and Freya being captivated by Greek Magic, you do whatever you can to debunk, yet here you are doing the exact same thing I did, except on the Norse part.
"Also want to put out that saying ‘’madness” can also be interpreted as being “untrue” or “exaggerated”. Saying “Greek time travel is better” like ok 🤣 GOW 2 kratos scales above the sisters and he scales below the Norse. I’ve said this like 60 times and you keep ignoring it. I literally admitted that he said “madness”, it doesn’t change the fact that kratos doesn’t think it’s possible to HIT SOMETHING THAT HARD instead of using time hax to do it. I don’t think you understand what I’m saying when I say that kratos doesn’t believe that it’s POSSIBLE to have the AP to break reality. Therefore the Thor feat still is the best strength feat unless you can name one." "
- You want to put that saying Madness can be interpreted as Untrue? Ok let's look at the Definition of Madness and compare it to Impossible and which was the original word you kept telling me about and to add, let's also compare it to Exaggerated.
Madness
- The state of being Mentally ill
- Foolish behavior
- Frenzied or Chaotic Activity
- Impulsive Behavior
Impossible
- Not able to occur
- very difficult to deal with (although this should be labeled as near impossible)
- unreasonable
Exaggerated
- Regarded or represented as larger, better or worse in reality
- Blown out of Proportions
You see how far "Madness" is from "Impossible" and "Exaggerated" You talk to me about twisting words from Eric, you were doing it first? 🤷♀
"Bros just avoiding the whole topic 🤣🤣🤣 “why would I have to answer” bro you know they’d lose that’s why. “That’s not an important topic” you literally just said that the Greeks are more powerful because they have a variety of power and I just disproved that by saying it means nothing against most Norse gods.
- That's because I was speaking in general term of power level, also it is in your headcanon and statement that Garm or Heimdall beats Hades or Hermes, there is no official confirmation that the Garm and Heimdall beat the two of them of course I will not bring up individual gods over one another because the only closest 1v1 confirmation on who would win is Zeus vs Baldur, Thor and Odin and Thor vs Poseidon.
Your reason Heimdall beats Hermes is because of... Primarily foresight? Kratos who actually was able to hit him was because he is infinite in Speed, so is Hermes, there is no reason to say he won't be able to do the same thing, with Kratos saying "I have killed Gods greater than him" Hermes plays an important role even in the Greek Saga in GOW, it's reasonable to say that he is also referring to Hermes when saying this.
With Baldur being invulnerable, it depends really to what extent he is invulnerable to, for certain any magic or weapon from Norse won't kill him except mistletoe and to an extent even The Blade of Chaos, but the Blade of Chaos isn't even the strongest weapon in the game, on debating terms it would be No limits fallacy, it would be like me saying Zeus can just remove Baldur's immortality, because he did similar to Prometheus making him mortal and curse him to get eaten by a bird everyday.
Hades Vs Garm, I won't say anything about this, with lack of further information on Fenrir
"Don’t avoid the question bro go on. Also Bruno did say not to take his word on anything and he also said the Yggdrasil wasn’t infinite which is just blatantly wrong. Again, in the video. If you want to believe anything believe word of god statements from Cory. He said Thor could beat Poseidons hippocampi before the game came out so he didn’t want to spoil… are you actually gonna try and convince me that Thor isn’t AT LEAST comparable to Poseidon? Even if you wanna believe everything Bruno says, he says that Odin is comparable to Zeus in your own words. Meaning Zeus vs Odin is at least a 50/50. And we all saw how Odin needed to get 3 v 1d."
- Oh, Bruno did not say to take his word on anything? Well that's a bummer I only brought that up because you brought up 1v1 between Gods which wasn't even the point of the conversation, fair play dude, using your logic why should your words be taken on anything? And why should we forever take the words of every single director in God of War when directors keep changing different opinions?
"Bro really just brought up the grandpa analogy even though he knows gods don’t get “old” or “weaker”."
- Hey man, not my fault you don't know shit about the definition of rusty so I had to bring that up to you.
"You want to believe Bruno Velasquez so much you should know he tweeted about how gods don’t get weaker with age and “kratos is the same kratos no matter what age he is”, he also said Zeus’ prime was GOW 3 as being older doesn’t mean weaker, lmao bros clutching at straws. If you know of this information then you should know that at the very least, kratos is as strong as his gow 3 self if not more considering how long it’s been since then considering gods get stronger with age. Yes he was rusty at the start of 2018 but he warms up bro like have you played the game?" "
- I never said he was weaker in Ragnarok I said he was weaker during his initial fight with Baldur, the fuck are you smoking?
"Eric’s statement does not contradict that at all bro. The novel says that Baldur is his strongest opponent yet, no matter that he’s rusty as kratos himself has gotten stronger over the years (you already know this if you love Bruno so much). Just because you’re rusty doesn’t mean you can’t accurately judge someone’s strength" 🤣
- The Novel also said Kratos would have ripped him apart in his younger days and again SECONDARY CANON, do you know who is responsible for that "Power seemed greater than anything he has ever seen" FREYA, you know the Goddess who you say is very weak in the grand scheme of things? and even she was genuinely shook at the type of power Greek mythos posses. and even if we are to take the Novels seriously, Keyword: Seemed.
"Kratos literally says it’s the most potent magic he’s ever seen. End of discussion. You keep bringing up how mimir and Freya were shocked at the SOF like I haven’t debunked that like twice, Odin scales higher than GOW 2 kratos therefore higher than SOF bro just accept it."
- Is it stated anywhere in the Game, main canon BTW that he had said that, if he did I will accept it, because all you bring to me is the Novel which is secondary canon btw, I kept bringing up Freya and Mimir being captivated because those are legitimate deities of their respective Pantheons, Freya being captivated despite being the Goddess of Magic is nothing to be scoffed at.
"Also have you never heard of someone saying “madness” in response to something that they don’t think is true? It’s more of a slang type of phrase for it tbh."
- Context: Mimir brought up again Thor knocking the world Serpent back in time as "one thing" When comparing Sisters of Fate which he believes in definition, BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION, yeah I am pretty sure when Kratos described it as madness, I doubt he would think it impossible.
You're telling me I love Bruno so much, LOL I only brought him up once, compared to your lame ass obsession with the Secondary Novel.
i thought that power of hope kratos was stronger with his hax but...... you changed my mind. congrats dude massive W video
(still heisei G victims)
this video is biased, POH Kratos is omnipotent and cannot lose
@04rugrat bro he ain't omnipotent 💀💀😭😭
He did get some kind of power after defeating the sisters of fate, but that may just be his intelligence. Also heise gets ragdolled by kratos.
@@04rugrat lol omnipotent Kratos, sure buddy
Even with the mimir statement saying the fates abilities to re-write history is more powerful then anything he'd seen in the norse era. That still doesnt dismiss the norse gods having far greater Attack Potency, Durability and overall speed in every department.
Incorrect completely, Zeus is by far the strongest God shown in the Franchise, even some of the Titans could solo most of the Norse Pantheon. They'd be no match for Atlas or Prime Cronus.
@@maylabrown4584 via what
@OoOancer all of that is still below the norse pantheon
@@TheKingoftheAesir That's ABOVE the Norse Pantheon lol Zeus was HIM personified when it came to Gods and would himself solo the entire Norse Pantheon without even needing to use his Fear Form (which easily puts him above even fully prepped Odin).
@@maylabrown4584 via what
I'm not gonna jump on the whole Greek vs Norse debate, but I feel the need to address certain things.
You forgot to mention that Morpheus, a "mere" Primordial, is capable of merging his own infinite dimension with the main Greek dimension (which is also infinite) in Helios' absence. There's also a feat of Zeus shaking the world to its foundations... with his anger alone. The foundations of the world would be the Underworld, which is a separate dimension. So if Zeus can affect dimensions by simply getting angry, you can imagine what he could do if he decides to put an actual effort in an actual attack.
The splintering of Yggdrasil was a result of Thor and Jormungandr clashing for an extended period of time, as stated by Mimir. There's nothing suggesting Thor can do this on his own, let alone on a whim.
All Cory says is that Old Man Kratos would beat young Kratos. This in itself doesn't prove Old Man being more powerful than the OG. You don't need to be stronger to beat your opponent, hell you don't even need to be an equal. Old Man Kratos is more experienced, more level-headed, has better control over his rage, and knows all the OG's tricks.
8:25 Yeah, no.
- For starters, the use of the word "seemed" already makes the validity of this quote questionable.
- Second, based on context, the power in question was Baldur's invulnerability.
- Third, the quote specifies that Kratos though Baldur was a mere mortal "man", not a god.
- Fourth, Kratos at the beginning of GoW2018 is ridiculously rusty and the journey will "reawaken his dormant powers", as stated in the official Playstation blog back in the day.
- And finally, the idea of Baldur being superior to Zeus (lol) was outright debunked by Kratos and Mimir in Ragnarok, where Kratos claims that he killed gods (plural) more powerful than Heimdall. Mimir responds to that he "doesn't doubt it", meaning he never saw Kratos fighting them, which by default rules out Baldur.
8:32 Similarly to the Baldur statement, Kratos makes that statement while operating in a weakened state (thanks to Fimbulwinter). And yeah, Thor was ordered not to kill Kratos... which he did anyway. So the idea of Thor holding back is similarly questionable.
8:44 This statement refers strictly to Kratos' weapon skill, not to his overall power. So at best, it would put the Norse gods skills above those of the Greek gods.
Seeing as you have no problem trying to crossverse magic in order to argue the Norse supremacy, I'll remind you that the fire from the Blades was able to burn in Helheim, where even Odin wouldn't be able to conjure fire. Furthermore, in the novel you like to quote so much, Freya states outright that Kratos will need something more powerful than the Axe to deal with Hel-Walkers. Even if we entertain your cope about the Blades of Chaos being only relative to the Axe and Mjolnir, the Blades of Athena (the ones Kratos uses in Ghost of Sparta and GoWII) are more powerful than BoC, and the Blades of Exile (the ones Kratos uses in GoWIII) are more powerful than BoA. Hell, BoE are stated to be Kratos' "most powerful ally against Olympus", putting them above the Blade of Olympus as well.
Sure you have a few points but as of the Valhalla DLC Kratos became the god of hope. As per the Helios illusion which is a manifestation of his mind states that God's in nature hold a metaphysical office, so this would mean Norse Kratos embodies hope, Corey and Eric both state that he had it in him and Valhalla solidified it so Kratos should at worse be comparable to PoH Kratos at the end of 3 discounting the fact that gods get stronger with age according to Zeus in the opening of 3.
Basically a case was to be made before Valhalla but not anymore
@@ethanreddy6551 And? The only Norse god who could possibly benefit from that is Tyr.
@@mc_rysiek5277 not really, As Valhalla was a Primordial realm essentially weaponized by Odin.
Thor and Odin did imprison Tyr by whatever means and even then
In the games own Codex Kratos himself states Thors blows were as heavy as any he has felt meaning Thor packed a bigger punch or was at least was on par with Fear Zeus
And that's excluding the Novels where Kratos admits Odins potency in magic was greater than anything he's encountered (The spell that ripped Freya back to Midgard)
@@ethanreddy6551 ... AND?
"By whatever means". Great non-argument.
Except Kratos was weakened at that point?
And then his Blades perform a feat that Odin could not...
@@mc_rysiek5277 we don't know how they imprisoned him but Tyr was stated to be one of his most formidable by Kratos himself and in the art book it states that Odin is the most formidable he's faced
Also you never gave any rebuttals to what I provided for Odin and Thor
Odins magic is far too potent compared to the likes of anyone he's faced before
Thor hits harder than everyone has faced before
And what feat has the blades done to put him above Odin?
I think older Kratos would win from the simple fact that he already knows everything younger Kratos is going to do. And as far as who's stronger? I don't know. I think both versions of Kratos have infinite strength meaning they're as strong as they need to be for any situation
He doesn’t know what he is going to do but what he can potentially do.. young Kratos Claps…. A younger Kratos kills a stronger Zeus which is a full blooded God while Kratos is a hybrid “Demi God”
@Dat-Boi-Camoja you not using feats norse kratos opponents like odin and thor are very powerful not to mention in the last thor fight thor was heavily weakened by the etr poision from the axe odin killed ymir with help a being who spawned the world tree a transcending tree with infinite branches and thor can shake this tree with a clash and send joman back in time and odin was able to slaughter ymir and use his blood and flesh to make land odin has better hax than zeus not to mention it took freya atreus and kratos to subdue odin
@@Dat-Boi-Camoja old Kratos would defeat his younger self
@@Dat-Boi-Camoja wrong, old Kratos would beat his younger self, as confirmed by Barlog
Kratos is one of the most powerful fictional characters ever, hopefully in the TV that's meant to be going into production they don't nerf him too much
Think there was a boat story where kratos admits he feels weaker or is just weaker since no one was worshiping him in GOW4. But he’s supposed to be at his strongest because Greek gods get more powerful as they age. And he went from fighting giant monsters in the opening to fighting gods in the opening (Except for GOW3 but he had the blade of Olympus). And spartan rage is just his raw strength with no help when no longer holding back. Could be he’s been drained overtime but also gained strength due to age and will gain more if he takes odin’s place and be worshipped again. Maybe it’s just that he doesn’t feel as energetic now but will later if he continues as a new Norse god
We also never really see Thor at his peak since he wasn’t actually trying to kill kratos in round one but in the rematch he was drunk. Hell we never even see Greek kratos at his peak since he lost his godly power but not the title. And if he never got back to his godly status then what does that mean for the Norse gods? Are they just the same level as demigods in Greece?
And even the old man story with death doesn’t make much sense if he asks death to help him when kratos doesn’t want to “deliver” anymore
@@Dookieman1975 he wasn’t drunk in the rematch
@@Dookieman1975 Thor was fully sober in the rematch with kratos, and also kratos never said that he got weaker in GOW4
Great vid dude have you done an analysis on doomslayer that would be sick
In Ragnarok this was addressed in conversations between Kratos', Mimir, Freya and Atreus.
Kratos told Mimir and Freya that he lost much of his power when the Greek Pantheon was destroyed. When he left his homeland, much of his conditional immortality and powers he attained were left behind when the Gods died and there was no one left to worship (which is how God's get stronger). Freya even deduced that he was once a God but lost most of them when he left his homeland.
Kratos told Atreus he was weakened and they must continue the journey while he still has strength. The only thing about Kratos' that retained power were the Blades of Chaos. That's because they were made from primordial elements that span all of the planet. Therefore, it will retain its power no matter where it's taken.
The fact that Kratos is aging quickly, is a sign that he is weakening. Zeus was eons of years old but was still physically in his prime despite his white hair and aged skin. It took him eons to look like an older man. In Ragnorak, Kratos' looks older and is more sluggish, just as a middle aged mortal man would be. It's safe to say that Kratos is not at God status anymore. He is once again a Demi God.. which is basically what he was before he killed Ares.
Kratos can compete with the Norse Gods and hold his own because everyone except Odin, is also a Demi God, so they didn't really outclass Kratos'. Where as all of the Olympians were Gods.. In fact, in Ragnarok, Kratos' is stronger than the Norse Demi Gods but not more powerful than Odin. This is why he needed assistance to kill Odin.
To be honest it was obvious kratos wins its always annoying when people downscale in a ridiculous way on kratos
Greek Kratos is the REAL OG.
I definitely agree with this mostly, but not all Norse Gods are stronger than Greek Gods, right? Because Kratos outright comments about Heimdall that he's beaten stronger Gods, and the way he says it, I'm pretty sure it implies some Greek Gods (like Zeus), not someone like Baldur. It'd be cool if we got a definitive power scale from Santa Monica. I'm pretty confident Zeus would be above Heimdall, bare minimum lol.
Kratos didn’t even know who Heimdall was at the time he just said that for whatever reason he even goes on to ask Mimir what Heimdalls power was like 10 seconds later which means it’s an empty statement and kratos had no idea what he’s talking about
@@BamBamBinBin he definitely has an idea
@@BamBamBinBin wrong, kratos knew Heimdall was, and when he states that he killed gods greater than him he obviously confirms that Heimdall isnt the most powerful Norse god and that the Norse pantheon isnt more powerful than the Greek pantheon
@ how did he know who heimdall was if he hadn’t even met him? He even ask mimir what his power which further proves he had no idea who heimdall was
@ he never met heimdall before he fought him so how could he have an idea?
You can really tell in these comments who don’t know any of the GOW lore and how it works.😂
Is that all you got to say?
There's actually a comic that shows that Kratos is stronger with the blades of chaos, physically stronger and more durable, not just more powerful. This was shown when kratos fought the second chaos beast. He went from being incapable of even hurting it, with his attacks literally bouncing of it to oneshoting it. Not to mention, he got killed by thor with a strike from mjolnir while later on with the blades of chaos he no solds a full force strike to the face with no real damage. Thor even mentions how he was hoping to fight kratos with the blades of chaos at some point clearly implying he's stronger with them. I do concede that the norse gods have better scaling though.
Another big reason would be greek kratos sole motivation is vengeance, while norse kratos has the motivation of protecting his child. The anger and power kratos has to protect his family and friends is much greater than that of killing those who did you wrong.
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It’s ironic you say young Kratos‘ feats come from misinterpretation while old Kratos‘ feats are nowhere near as impressive as young kratos and literally rely on texts in bio and twitter statements when *we see* young Kratos being stronger
Kratos>kratos
Kratos is stronge but kratos is stronger
Kratos is so fast but kratos is faster
Kratos got a lot if weapon but kratos got better weapons
Great vid new sub 👍🏾
Dang if knew about this DLC i would have copped this on cyber monday 😭
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Great video bro
you know he doesnt know what he is talking about when he says baldur is stronger than zeus
What feats do you have for Zeus to disprove it
Young kratos has so
Much weapons and tools to work with but old kratos has experience
Yeah Baldur isn’t stronger than Zeus. Cmon man.
Based on lore, feats and statements he is, baldur could knock out a snake who shook a 5th dimensional construct in a battle with thor. Zeus’s only argument is “he shoots really big blasts and looks cooler”
@@Goji-C I disagree, Baldur was defeated by a heavily rusty / suppressed Kratos who’s trying not to expose his god hood to his son in the beginning of GoW 4. Without his “immortality” he would be dead at the beginning of the game. Narratively Zeus should wash that Kratos. Yes he briefly KO’d the world serpent, but lets not act like it was a fight, Jormungandr had Kratos and Atreus inside of him, he couldn’t maneuver and fight with out risking killing them so he just took the hits and was back up shortly after. Me or you could KO Mike Tyson if he wasn’t fighting back, doesn’t mean we beat him in a fight, Baldur can’t defeat the world serpent. Zeus with all of his abilites would take this comfortably, even if the blade of olympus couldn’t drain Baldurs immortality, Zeus has enough abilities to BFR or just straight up imprison him.
@@DivineMultiForceyou’re biased Baldur scales to kratos he can destroy the world serpent maybe no easily but he can win and even though kratos was rusty he still barely won and by the end of the game kratos still struggles with Baldur despite getting his blades back which are stated to make him stronger so Baldur got stronger throughout the game
Death Battle did a DBCast of Godzilla vs Hulk, and originally I thought it’d be an easy slap for Hulk, but after getting into the rabbit hole of Godzilla powerscaling that is your channel, I’m kinda convinced high ball composite Godzilla can pull out a close challenge
they're both extremely strong on two different scales, I couldn't imagine seeing old kratos fighting cronos or someone of that size, but I also can't imagine young kratos having a 1 on 1 with thor and winning
The former is mainly due to the fact the way the current games display feats is different from the originals. The originals monkeyed with physics to make feats seem more impressive and entertaining while the current games take a more grounded approach to feats displayed which I think is better honestly because it maintains the presence of being beyond normal strength while also also being very gritty and real. Truth be told Kratos currently would deal with Kronos all the same if not easier, though he’d likely approach it differently.
Young Kratos easily slams Thor lol
@@04rugrat Young Kratos fucks around and discovers Thor was just drunk af when he whooped his ass. He never faced someone who could hit so hard he sends someone back in time lol hell, Odin had to kill Thor BY SURPRISE. Heimdall himself feared Thor, WHEN HE DIDN'T FEAR KRATOS knowing his nature.
Young kratos takes Thor low diff the fuck you on?
You got a lot of stuff wrong to support your argument, first of all the hammer didn’t kill kratos only knocked him out this is evident by him eating a hit from it later in the game n not even flinching. The blade of Olympus is also definitely stronger than mjolnir, Zeus waved his hand w it and killed the whole spartan army, he also used it to one shot the titans who are stronger than primordials as you said that’s way stronger than anything weve seen mjolnir do. And baldur was only hard to kill because he couldn’t die. But he easily beat both he and Thor in the end, while I do agree that old kratos might be stronger(even though they’ve done nothing to show this in the games), the Greek gods are definitely superior to the aesir, it’s very evident.
11:44 Lmao you are scared to trigger the new gen GOW fans so bad. this video is so biased man, you completely ignore context in what the Norse things say. terrible vid
The only thing I disagree with is when you say zues is weaker than buldur and Thor, and also that the blade of Olympus is weaker than thors hammer. That just don’t make sense
Kratos is Kratos
all your other takes seem good but this video is just a mess. none of the feats you state make any logical sense and just goes to show you have no clue of what you are talking about or even god of war games in general. L video please do more research like your other videos.
Wish you made this without such a clear bias lmao. You talk about people misinterpretation dialogues and forgetting context and relativity in the feats', when arguing for the Greek. But when you bring up the norse feats' and Kratos' thoughts from the novel/codex, which also have their own context and relativity, you misinterpret them to fit your own argument.
Everything is contextual, and Kratos was never actually that strong to begin with. He needed A LOT of help to defeat his Greek enemies. Now he's stronger than himself, but he also needs way less help to defeat his Norse enemies. Taking EVERYTHING into account, it makes the most sense that Norse Kratos is "stronger" than Greek Kratos, but the Greek Gods are "stronger" than the Norse Gods.
It doesn't help that the novel initially did tell you that Norse is stronger than Greeks but because Novel is secondary canon, this was then retconned with Mimir being captivated by what Greek Magic provided with Freya even being bewildered at the though that such magic in greece exists.
@@shadowman9081 Where does the novel "tell us" this exactly? Either way, people need to stop taking every line of dialogue (both from the games and the novels) as black or white statements. There is a nuance to everything.
Dude how are the Norse god stronger when the Greek ones were capable of destroying entire cities with ease and kill entire armies in one swoop (and Ares even killed one telepathically).
Brok only hyped up the blades was because it was made of primordial fire, that’s literally it. Brok and sindri made the leviathan axe by capturing the souls of 20 frost trolls and in the description it says Mjölnir echoes with death and destruction with every blow so theoretically he would get just as hyped if the axe had primordial frost or the spear having primordial wind
The primordial is not just any primordial fire, it’s primordial chaos and it can empower said wielder, kratos was even about to die in the comics in Egypt to a giant hippo if not for the blades of chaos.
@@tc-channelhobby4051that is a horrible comic just because of that alone...
Greek Kratos would win the resourceful and creativity award among the two versions.
The fangirling is strong here 😂
Kratos won all his fights because he's the main character.
It was refreshing to see Thor absolutely crush him for once.
And people swear he was knocked out☠️ thor straight up killed up him with that strike
This is not the first time he lost actually
@@chromtastic2092because kratos died like twice in the Greek world so yeah, he was just knocked out, even Odin ordered Thor not to kill him until the final battle of which a blood lusted Thor got defeated by a calm kratos not even trying to kill him. Even in said battle, he once again took said literal hammer hit in the face and shrugged it off.
@@tc-channelhobby4051Incorrect, Thor did Kratos but he revived him with Mjolnir, he still followed Odin's Orders. Kratos got stronger over time, he only was able to defeat Thor cause of that strength.
It was the opposite for Thor, who since their first fight was fighting off the corruption of Odin, he wasn't going his all against Kratos. He wanted death.
@@maylabrown4584 he only knocked him out and also this is a kratos that was regaining his dormant powers as said in the website 2018 meaning his own spartan rage, even in the 2018 novels he admitted his younger self is far more muscular when he saw again in helheim
GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)''
Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.''
Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs.
What about the other developer opinion on this topic
@@owensilva9224 No one else matters. Barlog is the creative director. He decides the direction these games take narratively. Bruno Velasquez and Eric Williams don't matter. Bruno is an artist, Eric is a game developer. Neither control the narrative. Bruno directs the art Barlog describes for him. Eric oversees the technical production of the game Barlog wants to see made.
@@TheStraightestWhitest wrong
@@TheStraightestWhitest But I just don't make sense in your answer, Kratos in GOW 3 had the Power of Hope, I guess Cory Barlog didn't know about this, since he didn't participate in the narrative of GOW 3, there is no doubt that Old Kratos is superior in terms of combat, but if Young Kratos uses PoH, it is an overkill for the old one, PoH gives Young Kratos invulnerability, just look, Fear Zeus's attacks do not affect them.
@@ThePalebloodHunter Barlog said PoH is still with Old Kratos. So that's a non-factor.
We gotta get used to the fact that these devs will just say whatever the fuck they want at a whim to please their rabid fanboy community. They go for the good old ''Smile and nod'' response to any question these weirdo powerscale obsessed people ask them on social media, which creates very contradictory replies.
Older kratos is stronger theres literally no debate to be had
A younger Kratos kills a Stronger Zeus so that defeats the purpose of “older meaning can’t be beat at your peak” YOUNG KRATOS CLAPS😊
@@Dat-Boi-Camojagreek gods get passively stronger over time legit young kratos stands no chance
@@AbyssHeavyConsortOfMalenia Give me the link to where it shows that
@@AbyssHeavyConsortOfMaleniakratos young destroy
@@Dat-Boi-Camoja GameBreakerGod: ''A question only the creator can answer, who would come on top if the old Kratos were to face his Younger Self (Olympus Era)''
Cory Barlog: ''Old Kratos. Without question.''
Pretty definitive. Old Kratos curbs.
Bro, please Shin Godzilla's scaling for each of his different forms, and Godzilla Ultima's scaling for each of his different forms as well.
True Kratos smash Woke Kratos.
see what the character creator thinks ☠️
The real reason the Norse Gods don't display power like the Greek ones is budget.
Their still weaker regardless of budget
@@yodogarou36based off what?