the BEST DRUM GATE!
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
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INDEX:
00:00 Intro
00:28 The problem...
01:44 What??? First listen...
02:45 How it works
03:49 Sidechain tricks in live acts
04:23 Disclosure
04:44 Kick
06:38 Snare
09:18 A-B test
09:42 Conclusion 
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This thing saved my current album project…
Same dude. I’ve got like 18 tracks that I need to throw this on now😅
BSA kinda took some criticism in the beginning with their plugin pricing being a bit high for what they were, but this one is affordably priced and is a game-changer. Jordan creates plugins that are tools he needs to make his workflow simplified. I think this one will definitely add credibility to their name.
Yeah, I definitely was turned off by the price tag on their first plugins. A lot of people were. But Jordan adressed this in a video and basically said, hey many pros bought them and think they're worth it otherwise we couldn't continue our business. So I guess it was mainly amateur and semi-pro mixers complaining.
However, by now I understand the mindset behind the plugins. They target very specific problems that Jordan used to solve with a row of different plugins. It saves a whole lot of time just doing the exact same thing using one plugin with three knobs.
Silencer is the first one I bought and it saves me hours. Seriously. I used to trigger my gates by MIDI or side chain. Took way too long to set up and didn't work nearly as well.
I also got the free "X-series" with simplified versions of some of their plugins. I love the pocket delay. It's exactly what I need and takes two seconds for me to dial in.
@@mrcoatsworth429Also, I think being brand new to the plugin market, it was going to take some time and a few releases to figure out what appropriate price points were gonna be. He obviously has a team that needs to get paid and he needs to make a profit in the end.They've adjusted along the way, adding some sales and promos. I just have to think, that you're going to sell a lot more and faster, if you can keep the price under $50. Jordan is a good dude. He just roasted one of my PT sessions on his channel.
It is amazing. I reopened a whole album that I had already mixed and the improvement was very notorious
This thing is a miracle! I’ve tried everything I could have imagined to avoid hihat bleed (including mics in the snare.. Large diaphragm condensers on a net IN the snare😂, foams between snare mic and HH, foam attached on the bottom HH etc etc). Wished for it a lot of years ago… And now I finally own it! Great piece of art BSAudio!
I'm both the drummer and mixer for All Too Human and I love this plug in. I've used almost every gate out there and this one is the fastest in its effectiveness class. It can change the timbre very slightly but then again, the de-bleeding is so effective you can boost the highs in things like kick and snare and still get a very bright, gated sound. I have even successfully used Silencer on room tracks to isolate the room ambience of just kick snare and toms, and it worked astonishingly well. There were almost no cymbals in those tracks! Had never been able to do that with any other gate. I also found that this gate competes with the technique of actually cutting tom tracks, something I thought I would never find in a plug in.
why do we drummers always end up mixing 😂
@@SammiLucia Because we stupidly OWN the recording equipment, the studio/practice place, the P.A. and the van.
And we get to share in an equal cut of the money with the singer who brings his microphone and his girlfriend. : )
A lot of the clean drumtracks is also in the hands and feel of the drummer. The plugin does it's job really effective although I do feel that the sound darkens a bit, I don't think is only gating but also uses a filter to clean up the signal.
thank you for the review! the plugin looks really interesting. Im also looking forward to try it out a bit more experimentally! and I love your nails
I tried the demo for this, but I could still get better results with Denise Audio Poltergate. Silencer is a bit quicker to use, but you also don't get as much control over the processing. Both are more or less the same price as well (got Poltergate for €39 on sale), so it's up to your own preferences which one you choose. Both work great for cleaning up bleed.
With stem separation getting so good recently, I was expecting something like that mixed with a gate for a great result.
As a beginner at mixing this helps me so much in focusing on how to get a great sound rather than trying to fix my crappy drum recordings and then try to get it to sound somewhat decent
This looks awesome. As a guy who does a lot of tracking for bands, I've had more of the approach of if I'm going to have bleed I'm going to try and record it with mics have have a pleasant off axis sound and incorporate it. But even then, you get a drummer in who has great energy but just either bashes the cymbals to hell or wants to use their cheaper bright cymbals. This thing looks like a godsend. I wonder how good it'd be on a drum room that has too much brilliance to it.
I just used this plugin on my last mix and it was awesome!
Sounds similar to a method I started using in ableton, you can use an the envelope generator to trigger both gate threshold and low pass frequency amount or even eq amount. This is much quicker though. Handy for sure
It's not often do you dig a plugin! I loved the review. it definitely makes me want to buy it.
Thank you for this review. I had to buy it and it does some "magic" indeed. Easy to use. Perfect for simple people like me 😉
It’s similar to sonnox Oxford drumgate but with less controls. I doubt it’s better, but possibly. I’ll have to demo it.
using this on a one-mic drum mix at the moment to great effect. it's like a used a bunch of mics on the kit
I bought immediately when I heard about this and tried it out… Nice plugin... 😎
Excellent video, as usual. I’ve been using multiband gate from AIX DSP, and I love it, but this one does most of what AIX does for far less cost.
I think you’d like it too, lots or sound shaping options.
Thank you for all your hard work!
I use AIX but this looks a lot simpler...I'm probably going to buy it. I hate fuss with AIXDSP multiband.
I also was formerly using AIX DSP and this one is indeed better, more precise and requires less processing power. Even without the ghost button in, I can set the threshold lower and allow notes through with the de-bleed working at even the lowest amounts.
I always add some gating on live drums before recording. Like you said depending on the room and the way mics are set up can lead to bleeding nightmare.
Sounds like a good way to clean up your drums so that if you wanted to add triggers to drum samples it would be easier for the trigger to not miss drum hits
Great plugin! I'm a bit bummed that I could only afford one from either this or smart:gate though; I actually had both trials on at once and tried chaining them together just for fun, and it ended up being absoluthely lethal 🤯Sonible to really tweak the hit detection with the AI learning and Bias control, but then add the debleeder from Silencer on top and it's the best of both worlds!
Though I'll admit this was for a pretty badly mic'd session. Silencer on its own is still miles ahead of traditional gates!
It's interesting to compare it with the DrumS SSX plugin from Fuse Audio. I really like it. It's a drum remixing plugin, it has its own dynamics section, equalizer and separate output for each drum.
I have seen a recording technique where the drummer recorded toms and cymbals in different takes. For the take without cymbals he had cushions on the cymbalstands to smash on.
Foo fighters did that
The cymbal bleed thing is indeed best solved in recording, by placing cardiods or hypercardiods with off-axis, which is way more complicated as it sounds, cause this often times means the drummer has to deviate from their usual setup, like moving the hihat over for the mic to fit there. And sometimes it’s just better to leave as is, cause the performance is more important.
Room size is also a thing, more so for the kick mics than the snare mics
Definitely impressive.
Thanks!
I grabbed this on its intro deal, its nuts!!
Your initial reaction was great
Oxford drum gate still wins in my opinion. Better transients, better cymbal bleed supression... More options and control in general and pretty quick to set up too.
Yes, and in sales it's about 40$ so affordable plugin too
More options don't necessarily mean better plugins. Sometimes simplicity in plugins makes them so much usable
Yeh, I love Oxford drum gate too. Simple to use, but if you want you can dive deeper.
This introductory price is crazy. Going to cop this for sure.
Good plugin!
This plugin rules. Been using the Waves SSL channel strip gate and got pretty good at the settings, but Silencer just made my life WAY easier.
pretty sure its reversing phase in parallel on the duplicate track and high passing with the original track set with a expander or of the like. still great its in one plugin. but doable with plugins that come with every DAW. then a gated reverb. but im lazy so yeah probably will check out at some point.
It's funny, because I compared this plugin with Oxford Drum gate, and they are very similar, but I keep more transient with Oxford Drum Gate. Price are not equal, but in my case no need Silencer as I already got Drum Gate who is slightly superior in my taste (and test)
Yes I bought this to try against sonnox gate… the thing for me with Sonnox is having the leveller built in too which is really useful
I don't like the release on the Sonnox Drum Gate. Something's wrong with a sound of that plugin for me.. The best gate keeping all transients untouched (but without debleeder) is Soundradix's Drum Leveler with its huge lookahead time. For debleeding Silencer is the best and Pro-Mb in Expander mode along with FF Saturn's Dynamics knob above 1k are close second best. But if the soundradix will come up with debleeding feature in the next Drum Leveler it probably will sound even better than the Silencer because they use huge lookahead which allows keeping all transients tone unchanged.
wonder how well it works for electronic drums
Have you tested Oxford Drum Gate? How does it compare there?
Very impressive!....... It's not magic necessarily, as it can be achieved with a combination of other plugs.....but, it achieves really good functional gating with little to no fuss. I don't think it even needs to be used with debleed at 100%. Sometimes I don't care for that kind of sound. All depends on the situation and context.
Bottom line........ Simple, functional, affordable, the end. It's a win imho, well done BSA 😉👍
I feel like hihat bleed on snare is the most common bleeding problem.
Would have loved to see that in the video but might just try it myself :)
Excellent vidéo !
By the way have reviewed the stl tonehub ? Interested to see it against your tape machine
Cheers !
Great video! Another video comparing this and Oxford? 🙂
I would love a plug-in like this that could reduce or remove snare, toms or kick from a hi hat or cymbal track
Wilkinson's Debleeder used to do this well for it's day, then JST Tominator came out and looked modernized but not nearly as effective imo....I may have to check this one. Would have loved to hear it with the overheads and rooms back in the mix. Sometimes, depending on the goal, no gates at all works too. Let it bleed! lol
absolutely. Sometimes you need that bleed for the right sound!
Stupid question: say you got a snare track with lots of ghost notes. would it be possible to blend out the main hits and leave only ghost notes (like reverse or delta) to then process the ghost notes seperately?
Could you also use it the other way? Remove everything except the cymbals?
I'm using the Glyn John method without a snare mic and would like to get some more control. This seems like an excellent solution
At least in this example, was impressive on the snares, but elicited the same problems on kick where we lost the impact/tone of the transient/beater and gained cymbal resonance ghosting on every kick hit instead, so then you can't really add high mids and highs to gain back the transient tone/impact without then also amplifying the cymbal resonance. I could see using this to isolate a kick and re-trigger a new one more accurately, though.
that's insane 😯
what would also be amazing is a plugin that can phase align drum spill so it's less important to remove it.
amazing book on mic'ing is Mixing with Your Mind by Stav
I did read that book 😊
Does this have to be put on each drum track, i.e. snare track, toms track, Bass drum track?
It's kind of hard to tell if this is actually better than a standard gate based on this video, but at $30 I guess it's worth a shot! Would have been nice to hear it in an actual mix to see if you can still get good drums sounds.
Hmm, I'll have to check this out. I was cursing my gate plugin just a couple days ago....
Awesome!
It's basically stripped down drumgate blended with nolly's fabfilter saturn trick and a low pass. So if you have those already, you can achieve what this plugin does already. Otherwise it's a good plugin especially for the price. But not as miraculous as everyone seems to suggest.
Also its not as clean as the examples on the website make it seem. If you turn debleed up, you lose a lot of top end attack and it does not get rid of cymbal swishes on the transient, which was pretty much teh only thing i couldn't get rid of with drumgate. So for me personally, this doesn't do much new.
It's 30 dollars; That by itself is miraculous. You can come up with whatever solutions you want but I'd rather just use the plugin that does the thing and save myself time.
@@Jazzguitar00 true
how does it compare to the Focusrite Fast gate?
what! this is awesome!
I DESPISE gates on my drums but picked this up at introductory offer of $30.oo USD. Toms are the culprit on my kit, and the real test of a gate IMHO. This unit does completely debleed the cymbals from those mics BUT even with maximum sustain setting I can still tell there is gating going on. That said, I am glad I bought it, and even at full price it is worth it. P.S. Ease of use rating is + 99% compared to typical gates.
" they've added a reverb to it " well done Colombo ;)
In your Smart: Gate review, you used it for something similar. I would love to see a comparison for this purpose. What do you think?
This plugin does sound fantastic though.
Great suggestion! I have smart gate I want a comparison as well please kind sir
Dang, might have to snag this plugin, definitely deal with this a lot. How do you solve this in the recording process? I usually just mic up the drums and record, and I've never seemed to have to big of an issue, unless they are drumming SUPER loud. Would love anyones thoughts on this.
Asking the drummer to play in a better balance 😅
i wonder if it works on dnb and breakbeat synthesized drums aswell
can you get the plug in for mac os catalina 10.15 ?
Dankuwel!
Incredible gate. Bravo @hardcoremusicstudio
Not without bias, when you are all over Facebook in the Black Salt Audio commercials.
Would prob get this if I didn’t already have smartgate
I’m currently working on a death metal project. I have smartgate and I love it, but it just didn’t work as a good debleeder so I got the trial for this silencer… changed everything! Now I use smartgate as gate and silencer as debleeder. It works!
exactly the comment I was searching for-- thanks for the info! @@timsarlos6403
can it work on vocals ? trying to pretend as a De-esser ? 🙃
How is it compare to Oxford Drum Gate?
I like how it's simple to use, but on the Kick in my opinion the "de-bleed" option cut too much of the high frequencies and the kick now is like a sub, the attack of the pedal is gone.
PS: Actually I don't know how is possible to have so much bleeds in kick microphone, maybe was out from the kick hole
i would just bring it up with an EQ or maybe an exciter. the high harsh frequencies of the cymbals had to be removed. too little de-bleed will give you a cymbal or hi hat sound every time the kick hits.
Does it works on vocals?
Interesting plug-in. Might I just say that it would have been beneficial, (to me, at least), to have heard an A/B on the kick, sn T & B with the OHs and/or rooms in as well, to hear the overall improvement to the kit sound. Thanks, as always for being you and doing what you do so well. Pax!
This
Yeah definitely tricky, sometimes the OH / room mics are essential and they blend in a certain way with bleed from the other mics. Really depends on genre, style of drumming and what you're going for sonically. But cool to have the level of control if needed. Nothing will beat a good room and great mics/gear set up properly with an amazing drummer!
I think the snare sounded great, the kick sounded a bit phasey to me, like it was losing important kick information. Great demo man.
How do you get the hi-hats and cymbals back?
From room mics and overheads
Pro Tools compatibility on the web site only shows 10.3.5 - 2020 (Mac & PC: AAX) What about current PT versions?
Should work fine, I’m using the latest operating system latest ProTools everything and I’ve had no issues so far only thing I did have to do is reactivate the plug-in when I reinstalled ProTools after it broke down but not because of this plug-in
Did anybody check if against Oxford drum gate (my personal go to plugin atm)
Just bought this. It's the real deal.
how do you think it compares to sonible smart gate?
if possible a comparison video would be amazing :)
Good idea! Although they do differ a lot
@@Whiteseastudio Yeah, I got the feeling that smart gate is amazing at detecting with the AI. Bought it right away after a bit of testing. But what i notice is, that its not as easy to "deBleed" with the multiband section. Having a frequency dependant or multiband band specific release time would help a lot with minimizing cymbal bleed.
If you got time for it at some point it would be amazing to see you use und compare them :)
Why would anyone still use a gate to remove bleed when you can run a track through some AI demixer (UVR5, RipX, Spectralayers 10, etc) when they do a much cleaner job at isolating the kick and the snare?
this thing cracked the code. it’s better than every other cymbal-killer plugin and technique i’ve tried. Sonnox is close but not as good and WAY more latency/cpu hit
This plugin rules
amazing
what site?
The only problem is that it removes a little bit high end from snare drums. For toms it's excellent.
I picked this up recently and although I was skeptical, it legitimately is the best drum gate out there. I previously used Oxford Drum Gate, which I love, but Silencer beat it out when I compared both. Super easy to use too.
Same. I’ve almost relegated the Oxford to only its level matching function. I can get similar debleed results with both, but the BSA is just so fast to dial in.
Would be a great plugin if your were recording live drums
Can you please do an A/B with the Sonnox
Dat Jaws t-shirt 😍
This will only increase the functionality of my Lauten LS 208 and the 308 and the Snare mic.
If I was doing mixing of real instruments, this would be a must have. I don't, but impressive none the less.
my favorite drumgate is still the rx suite lol
Sonible smart:gate I think is a bit better. But great affordable gate!
"What !?" 🤣🤣
2016 Accusonus introduced Drumatom. It removes drum leakage, not only cymbal bleed. So this plugin is nothing new. The problem with Drumatom was always that it tends to dull the top end of the wanted sound. Because of that, I will demo this against Drumatom. It costs only 23 €, so that´s a no brainer.
You have the music to Jaws on your t-shirt.
This thing must have AI behind it like Newfangle Audio's Elevate and Punctuate, or the Sonible stuff... There's no way that a gate can do that by itself, even when it's multiband.
Zero AI :)
@@blacksaltaudiothat's seriously impressive. Congratulations!
Got this and it's insane. Does'nt do the job ever time. Sonnox Drum Gate is also really great.
As much as I love to record a full acoustic kit, I don't think I'll ever go back from a hybrid set up (acoustic cymbals with electric drums).
It's so much easier, sounds way better, you don't get any bleed, and having a MIDI track for your drums is so much more versatile
Why use acoustic cymbals? Because they're much easier to play and sound better in my opinion
Sounds like there're adding noise of the instrument being treated..
So basically the same exact thing as Wilkinson Audio DeBleeder, but almost 10 years later, and with less tweakablity. The waveform preview/threshold is a nice touch, however!
I still prefer just duplicating the track, inverting its polarity, and applying very fast compression and hi-passing to the signal. That is precisely what this plugin emulates (as well as DeBleeder, which ahchieved this almost 10 years ago).
DeBleeder sounds poor compared to this one. It loses a lot of highs in the transient + is a pain in the butt to set correctly. No comparison there. Silencer uses fast high end expander with lookahead from what I can hear and not the trick you mentioned
@@huberttorzewski i see -- never had that issue when using DeBleeder, maybe due to sidechaining it off a key track that is offset by a few milliseconds (so there is 'lookahead'). and was always a breeze to set up. wish it had a waveform display, though! nevertheless, still prefer to di it manually -- with the duplicated tracks, polarity inversion, etc. Let's me control it however i like, and try out new things as i go, which can be fun as well
The issue with all these kinds of plug-ins is that it almost always turns an actual drum hit with decent decay into tiny BLIPS of sound. Drum hits become clicks and taps.
All you need is to know how to mic, gain stage, and an SSL channel strip dynamics section.
fuck~~~ing amazing