Smooth(er) Operator - SNAKE OIL FIXED!
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Obviously, well done to you for making this happen - but I feel a big shout out to Baby Audio is also due. It's great that they took the criticism on board and actually did something about it! It's a shame that the 'big plugin boys' don't listen.
very much true. respect to babyaudio for considering feedback from their users. bravo!
Indeed!
they were called out, they didnt have much choice lol
@@campar1043 Fair point! But on the other hand, companies such as Waves have been called out many, many times - yet I've not seen them making better plugins.
@@Toymortal I think they’re too big to care at this point, they just make never ending sales now 😆
Wow! I really have watched a bunch of review videos on this plugin, but NOONE mentioned the distortion problem. Hats off to you for noticing it, publishing it, and for baby audio to fix it!
super proud of YOU and everyone who's subbed to this channel (or pledged on patreon) ...this is f'n amazing. S/O Baby Audio for being genuine with resolving issues!
Great video and a wonderful resolution. I work in software development and you do in fact have to balance, every day, between perfect and good. You always hope to get to perfect or "better" at some point and its great how Baby Audio have reacted. Thats a very modern, agile approach where they really take into account the users feedback as they release their software. kudos to both you and Baby Audio.
I REALLY wanted you to use a dynamic EQ at the end when comparing. To me this plugin is a revamped dynamic
Thank you for the video, the effort and the fight you fight for all of us. Big big big hugs, thanks and more.
This is awesome. The world needs more RUclipsrs like you. Thanks for all you do
every time i hear that “so, let’s get started” it’s like a lightning bolt of heroine right through my spine
Good job by them. The point you make at the end is really the point, we need to do more fixing than ever, and it now seems like a good tool for this
And by you of course for flagging the issue and producing the follow up
Now you should ask them for a check has you were research & development quality control. Now they have a better product thanks to you.
OMG! Samplitude Pro X6 now has internal Oversampling and dynamic EQ!!!! Give it a review, pleeeeaaase!!!!
Thanks for this video - very helpful: excellent and practical use case!
Really nice and inspiring video! Truly enjoyed and look forward to seeing your next video. Take care and have a lovely day!!!
Maybe you can try this on any compressor multiband or not. You always create distortion from compression.
I think, it's time, that White Sea Studio takes a look on Baby Audio's "Christalline", too 😅🤘🏻😉
Nice!!! Love your approach. Thanks and groovy Greetz
great, o have tried ssmooth ooperator now. i did npt like it so i will give it a go again..:)
Well done.
Well done Baby Audio for fixing. That’s a big move from a small player!
Rewatching the video a year later. They should make it so you can multiband the "eq" style of it. So les say high band getting the same eq spots as it is now and the low band etc. Is it too much to ask for?
ethics on 10000000% LOVE TOO SEE IT!!!
Strong video. Now satisfied with the plugin and the review ✌🏻
WHOOOOOOOOO yeah thx for making them fix it!
Seems like something F6 could do but I'ma have to try it.
Can you have a look on plugin alliance knif soma eq and adptr sculpt 😊😘
i came across 2 plugins id love to see your thoughts on. One is Gaffel by Klevgr which supposedly allows multiband fx using ANY of your plugins which would be exciting. The other one is Equilibrium by DMG AUDIO, its an eq but each band can be set to simulate a different piece of hardware so if you like how one unit adds shimmer to highs or what not, really opens crazy sound possibilities even if not accurate to their analogue counterparts
Thanks
Thx for the video man.
thank you sir
your thoughts on spatial audio would be interesting
i dont understand..a plugin being snake oil is good or bad ??
You've sent bug reports to audio companies, and NEVER seen them fixed before ...?
That's not been my experience of filing bug reports, with audio companies
Hey, can you do an update on Reaper and how you've harnessed it for your workflow? And are you still happy with it? I feel like it's time for a check-in. I'm still loving it, but I don't have clients and deadlines.
What's the difference to oeksounds soothe?
Is his logo someone putting out a cigarette in some water?
can u make a vi about, Emperical labs, Arousor plugin?
Cheers love the content
Baby Oil?
Great!
What does Snake Oil means? I always find that word on all your videos
Fucked up you had to force them to fix it though
Really stupid move @ 9:50 . . . comparing a static ProQ cut with SmoothOperator, ProQ obviously needs to be using a dynamic cut.
legendary ....
The update really did make it a lot more usable. Thank you White Sea and thank you Baby Audio for listening and the quick fix!
How in the world do you update it? I still have the old version and there is no option to update it on the plug-in or their website.
I had gotten an email with a new download link. If you don’t have one and are using the old algorithm, get in touch with BA support.
"Can you take that down so we don"t look stupid?" NO. Just don't BE stupid. "Cool. We fixed it"
A lot of respect. This is the most honest RUclips channel and my go to for reviews. Could you please review the Focusrite "fast" plugins next? @Whiteseastudio
You can check his thoughts on Sonible's other stuff to get a pretty good idea. Smart EQ 3, for instance.
Focusrites REVEAL has one of the best sidechain compression ducking sound! Blown away! To me it sounds much better than trackspacer
Unbelievable. A company that actually listens to feedback. Massive respect.
"There are no sine waves in Sandstorm by the way."
*_Laughs in Fourier!_* 😂
Underrated comment, approves in Laplace
@@cryogenicminer1448 👌😂
I can Add to that.
Alpha comment
@@cryogenicminer1448 may Dirac be with you.
this is really cool. developers listening to the users and improve the product. now that´s something i can get behind.
This was a nice surprise! I've been speaking with the developers, and they are wonderful and very open to feedback. I've been meaning to post a follow-up video too. Thanks for this!
Thank you Wytse. This is why I am subscribed to you. You are always speaking to the viewers, and are extremely passionate about everything with fidelity, and your genuine care towards to the audio engineering community. I've been supremely benefitted by your insight, and I will always be a loyal fan as many others will because of your compassion and care. Thank you for being a honest RUclipsr. Regardless of any prejudices, our little community here is truly influencing audio for the better :)
Not gonna lie, didn't think the original was a big deal, but hearing it now, it's night and day. Props to Baby Audio for being honest and working hard to improve it.
They had to! Props to this guy for calling them out! They tried to take the other video away..to handle the problem in the first place..says it all!
Just tested sending some sine waves into Soothe2. No harmonics there :)
or gullfoss
Something I wanted to bring up earlier in the original review: I don't agree with the assertion that "spectral dynamics is not needed to make great records because records of the past never used it". One could have made a similar assertion when FET compressors appeared (in contrast to opto-compressors). I understand that the point you were making was that spectral dynamic processing is not absolutely necessary to make a great sound. At the same time, I also think that every tool that helps address an issue can and should be used. Furthermore, a tool that can add some creativity is also recommended. After all, compressors were originally used as more of a utilitarian tool and now can used as a creative tool. (Edit: I just heard you did address it in your way =] )
All that said, it's good that developers do respond to issues. For instance - and yes, I know you have issues with this particular company - when Waves issued last year their take of the Abbey Road signature RS124 compressor, several individuals pointed out an issue that did not reflect the characteristics of the original. A month or so later, they issued an update addressing it and it was much better.
And finally, I am a champion of having as many different opinions on tools as possible, especially when you know the position of the reviewer. You have made it very clear that you prefer hardware over software whenever possible, though you are not opposed to it if it helps to address issues in a clear and consistent way. And it's great to hear your side of things because I treat it like a data set for my own analysis, if you like. And it's great to hear from someone else who perhaps champions ITB more or is content with not having a studio filled with hardware.
So all in all, we are contributing to making better sounds =]
Nowadays there are also many digital plugins and synthesizers that can produce different frequencies than real physical instruments. I think that's also why you can't compare it with the past. You have to be much more selective in your processing.
I'm an idiot - i just figure out the Wyt-se and White Sea thing. I've only been watching these videos for 2 years. Also +1 on Not Snake Oil revisit, I don't think I need this plugin but kudos to the vendor for a) listening and b) actually pretty fast turn around time.
can you explain the wyt-se thing?
@@campar1043 So our favourity YTer's name is Wytse, which for an english speaker like me I will pronounce this something like "w-eye-ts-ee".
@@nanob0zo ahh ok, never knew his name, cool
@@campar1043 a Frisian name if I'm correct. I think they have really cool names, very different than Dutch.
You figured that out before me!
Much respect for standing your ground on the video and helping them to fix the issue
weird. I can hear the classic mode de-tuning the lower sine waves, when you switch between versions @5:58
I appreciate that you took the time to learn how and when to apply the plugin for an objective re-review. Great stuff! 👍
Reminder: Reaper has ReaFIR which in compressor mode is essentially the same as this plugin.
Reaper has so much.. If I'm reincarnated I want to come back as Kenny Goia ;-)
ReaFir is an incredibly powerful, useful tool. Best thing is they give it away. VST2 format, you can use it in any DAW. The ReaPlugs suite.
So if you never made the 1st video, they would never do anything about the problem they knew about. Basically they are lazy
This is beautiful and historic thank you, Whatta savage keeping that video up !:)
as a user of smooth operator, I do prefer the Hi-Res mode. The old algorithm was fine for many use cases as well though
I'm a user, the new version is better, but the old version simply required attention to settings and using your ears. Having said that, responsive companies are great. NOTE - Analog EQ's and filters also distort. Its great on acoustic guitar and my dodgy vocals.
in regards to compering to Fab Filter is a bit unfair, it should have been dynamic eq on that frequency :)
The most important lesson I have learned is to always put a sine wave in a plugin a hear and see what it does at different frequencies. A sine wave is the purest sound form.
Awesome news, I happen to be a fan of checking out and supporting new plugin ideas like this and I did notice the unexpected harmonic noise you pointed out in the 1.0.0 version, and I just downloaded the 1.0.1 version and will check it out.
Baby Audio are now a company I would go to, even though I've never heard of them before.
It's so funny that most companies don't seem to get that upsetting their userbase will make them lose it and in turn caring for their products and users will be able to even create a userbase for them through videos like this one here.
Oh Waves, are you hearing me and will finally stop making us pay multiple times for our products? ;)
Dude You’ve become necessary. Your OCD is paying off. If the digital (unnatural )world can be corrected by the analog (natural) world first then the future of plugins looks promising. Imagine!
this plugin works really great on snare especially - in original "distortion" mode it was a bit like WavesFactory Spectre, but also doing the compression like TBProAudio DSEQ - overall a very desirable result, at least for my use cases...
anyway, glad Baby Audio were able to locate and fix the problem in code, but also kept the original algorithm :)
as always thanks for the video - it's good to see more people actually exploring the plugin rather than randomly blabbering stuff like most RUclipsrs do :D
You the best man for making all these reviews. Help me avoid plugins that look neat but does same as plugins I have already.
This plugin always had huge potential, and yes it's sitting in my rack. I am thrilled that they took time to actually resolve something. That says a lot about the company and your channel.
them asking you to take the video down doesn't paint a good picture
This is great. I had purchased Smooth Operator hand in heart as I had noticed that although it did what I wanted it for (reduce resonances, i.e. in heavily filtered pads or poorly recorded instruments), it was adding something to the sound that I couldn’t pin point. Will update at the first opportunity to check. Fantastic to see reviewers and manufacturers working together to make better products - everybody wins. Keep it up WS and BA!!
Your gut reaction to the plugin was ABSOLUTELY appropriate...you stayed true to your mission...I appreciate BOTH videos.
Baby Audio are great. I don't use their plugins religiously but they're great to have in the toolkit, and I have huge respect for their customer care and commitment to quality. Thanks for this well balanced review.
how'd they let that thing go out the door with distortion like that? =/
Good for Baby Audio. Good for White Sea Studio. Good for the viewers. Good for the users. Good. Keep gently pushing the threshold. Thank you.
Baby Audio addressed the distortion also because it was discussed a lot on the gearspace forum.
Yeah kind of eye rolling that wytse is claiming this as his doing.
IS IT ME..... or does it seem that some software companies go to Melda Productions first and then try to create a different (better?) interface (and marketing) for their 'new & unique' plugin? While no one works inside a vacuum, it's clear to me that several 'recent' plugins were 'inspired' by MSpectralDynamics, yeah? White Sea Studio reviewed it back on 5.20.2017
Dan Worrall also managed to get an old Stillwell plugin fixed pretty much the same way. Developers can say how indiscreet it is to openly publish issues with a product, but they have to understand this is opening them doors to become heroes. Which is a way better promotion for their work than any paid advertisement.
Dan Worrall's voice is like the Amen Break, it can be recognised anywhere 😆
This looks like a copy of ProAudioDSP's DSM3 V3, except baby's doesn't have a fingerprint function, doesnt have a limiter, lacks tweakability and isn't engineered by the legendary Paul Frindle (SSL console, SSL bus compressor, Sony Oxford console, Sony Oxford eq, Sony oxford inflator...etc...bascially an all time legend and genius).
So...let me understand this more, no disrespect meant. ENGINEERS et all, create a plugin. and DON'T notice that there are "Heavy Distortions" in their very specific plugin. A User who has "some" knowledge points this out. And everyone's now saying what a good company they are for fixing it so quickly. Please, will you all take some time to understand the logic and path here? I realise at 60 I am old, OK...and things have changed....dramatically. But That also means I have seen quite enough. As someone who has worked at the bleeding edge of Visual tech since the 80's, received high industry awards (no...it's ALWAYS a team effort!) lived through the transition to Digital, and knows damn well that "good enough" simply isn't, I have started to become quite saddened by some of the more prevalent attitudes I see (here too). Well done, WSS, for identifying and correcting this. For all you fan beings out there: Check yourselves. Please.
It is basically a multiband compressor which has ability to automatically shape its curves to avoid "Ringing" issues that would occur in normal EQ's i guess......May be they have added Oversampling in the new update....???
That's good. Big companies have to pay big salaries for quality control employees. These software plugin companies have free quality control on your channel. They either need to fix it or get out of the business because they won't stay in business long selling bad plugs. Good for them they chose to fix it.
Oh Boy!!! It's ythe first time I see this Kind of thing hapen. YOU are a very big influencer budy. Yes I know that you'v just say that it's because of US, BUT, because there is a BUT, Baby Audio have actually made changes to the algorythm in a way because of the video and... basically it's an honnor for you and also a big effort from them to make such an improvment so... just wanna say that it's a win win game ;-) Cool... Stay the same ... follow you since more than one year and love what you do because it's BASIC. Reading what it suppose to do and, sometimes a plug-in tends to save the world like Bruce willis and , verifying how this plug-in is saving the world is a very good approach (with with tools and your hears btw)... really cool... love this kind of situation, not you I suppose but yah... continue like this man!!!! GiL from France ;-)
So why didn't u use the dynamic mode in fab filter EQ ? It's odd ur comparing apples and oranges
Lol, I bet they probably asked Fabrice Gabriel how to get rid of the foldover without oversampling. Just kidding...I have no idea if they asked him, but that's what it looks like...as if they oversampled the signal processing. That would account for the decrease in artifacts.
Hi So you did not know the use case of this plugin before the second video? But you complained about adding harmonics already in the first? Maybe this was it's purpose? You couldn't know.
Wasn't it obvious for which target group this plugin is? Please don't make videos just for clickbait at cost of others. Please inform yourself what a plugin does before recording a video. Sorry to say that cause I like you.
Why is Smooth Operator referencing white noise??? Gullfoss and Soothe reference the pink noise slope with good reason. Does Baby Audio know that the human ear prefers pink noise over white noise? Compare the spectral slope of any commercial mix with that of the pink noise slope. If you pull Smooth Operator down in its default setting, all sources sound thin. The reference is supposed to be the pink noise slope. Please fix this Baby Audio.
IMHO, I would go ahead and remove the original video, since the problems you found in the first video no longer exist. Making a follow up video is great, but there's still a very good chance that someone might only watch the first video and not the follow up, and decide to not purchase the product. "Redline" through the "snakeoil" in the first video might not be understood by some viewers. Kudos for Babyaudio for making the fix, and kudos to you for the follow up video. However, if it were me, I would still remove the first video.
yes, many videos on this plugin are very bad - as in they explain it wrong or even don't use it right. I personally use it when I'm in a weird spot, where my usual tools don't work or in situations where this plugin simply does the job too - but it's easier to dial in. So for instance if I have a very harsh acoustic guitar or distorted vocals or a slapped basstrack where I want to shape the overall sound but especially "dynamically" treat certain events - that's where I use this. But another common use for me is to use it as a "ducker" in sidechainmode. If an element struggles for space/clarity/dominance I will put smooth operator on the track that is masking the track that get's burried and feed the burried tracks signal into it .. it's very easy to see and dial in the frequencies that are dominant in the burried track and "duck em" out plus witht he overall threshold I can test very easily how much "treatment" I want, without having to adjust the single bands (so that they don't change relation to each other). I know you can also do this with multiband compression or dynamic eq- but not as fast, not as intuitively. Also works great on Reverbs. There are too many reverbs without a "ducking" function and with this, I get 2 in one .. I duck it and I shape it. It never was a bad plugin, but it's nice that they fixed the "issue" (that sometimes actually sounds good.. but that's another topic).
I realize this is an old post, but after using this plugin for some time, I've found it has way too much latency to be very useful. Time after time I investigate why a track's timing seems to be off, to discover I used Smooth Operator on it, and it's quite noticeably behind. Perhaps on the mix or master it would be acceptable, but instrument tracks that needed it, become useless. I don't see latency mentioned about these resonance solving plugins, and we have a few more in the mix now, I'm wondering if any of them are less problematic
jeez what's up with all these SNAKE OIL videos, just call the products bad.
it was funny the 10 first times.
Before it created like a tremolo by processing the sine wave...strange! Inter-modulation over frequencies.
After watching some of Dan Worrall's videos, it seems fairly clear that this was an aliasing issue. "Hi-Res" being the fix makes me think it's oversampling at 2x, 4x, or even higher sample rates. Did you notice a CPU hit running in the updated mode?
You have my honest respect to test plugins and report your opinion based on traceable facts. That's how independant journalism works since it was invented. I find it inappropriate that baby audio wanted you to take down the first video. We are not in Trump-land anymore. I feel no respect for babyaudio!
Well done - a victory for the small guys out here! Maybe you could take on Audio Imperia - and their seeming inability to fix the Trailer Guitars 2 product. It is a guitar instrument built on many different phrases - and it sounds excellent. However, the big problem in it is that the phrases are not time synced to the DAW - neither do they let you know what the tempo is so that you can build tracks around them!! So I bought a guitar instrument that has great sounding phrases but at random tempo's - that is actually completely useless in ProTools. Furthermore - I have written to then three times because they have written back promising to fix it on the next update - this has happened three times and it has still not been fixed or improved... Perhaps with your new found muscle you can get more answers out of them? I would appreciate it 👍🤞
I've also noticed that the high res algorithm seems to remove the "phase issues" that the classic mode was creating: there is a more round and present low end on the high res.
You make fun of darude, but at the end of the video he's on a boat sailing away with the suitcase between two ladies
Way to follow through, brother. Big ups. And to be fair to Baby Audio, who rightfully have a lot of fans, I think they were always going to fix this problem regardless of our community, but it surely didn't hurt. I think we should all buy Smooth Operator if only to show how much we appreciate post-release support and being listened to. It's a good little plugin that sounds different.
I really don't get this Darude Sandstorm, different song that isn't Sandstorm by Darude, every time joke.