When I began dating my partner. We were snuggled on the couch watching a movie and enjoying some quite. Out of nowhere he jumps up and literally sprints to his sons room. Me having no idea wtf just happened waited like 3 minutes then went to go see what was up. Turns out his son had had a nightmare and he had heard this noise and sprinted to be by his side and cuddle him. I didn't hear a noise. Literally I heard nothing. I don't know how he heard him but the love he has for his child was so heartwarming I locked that man down immediately. I cannot imagine someone doing this to their child. Let alone placing the blame on them.
The fact that she claimed her son was bullied for being fat yet as far as anyone can tell, she is the ONLY person calling him that, makes me think that when he was alive the only person bullying him was her.
No idea why but the fact Connor, when given a reward at school, would choose something he thought his little sister would like was the most heart wrenching part to me. Hit me straight and hard in my feels.
Me and my little brother were in a Bible group at our church growing up called Awana. We would get "Awana bucks" for learning verses and every month or 2 we would be able to buy things in the Awana store. We would always buy each other something that we knew the other was saving for. After I was too old to do Awana anymore he was still in it and it still buy me a little something every time he went to the store. Siblings are the absolute best 🥺😭
She despises them all, but I agree. I thought Watts was the ultimate level of “hate,” so to speak that she could reach. Damn did this not “woman/mother,” but demon, prove us wrong.
I feel so awful for the teenage son. The survivor’s guilt and grief must be overwhelming. And coming to terms with the fact that your mother is a monster is going to be incredibly hard. Hope he finds some peace and happiness in his life as he moves into adulthood.
My twin sons are 17 in a few months, I can't even begin to imagine how much thier world would fall apart if they had to go through anything like poor Owen has. 17 is such a important age trying to move from the last of childhood and into adulthood I can only imagine how lost he feels. I hope he gets all the love and support he needs to have the most productive and happy life possible
Peace and happiness may, in this case, be more easily acquired than anyone anticipated. Recent reports indicate that Lisa took out a substantial life insurance policy on both of the deceased, monies that she did get paid before the recent reversal of her own fortunes. Word has it that there is a plan in the works for that a substantial portion of all that to now go from her account, to the teenage son He'll have access to a small fortune by time his eighteen, and be chilling on the beaches of Rio a few days after graduation. As he sips mojitos and scopes out every last piece of thong backed ass that walks by, he'll be thinking to himself: "As unpleasant as that mishap that went down a few years back was, I really made out like a bandit. I wouldn't turn down the opportunity for Mummy to have had a couple of more kids, with equally lavish insurance policies on them. The cost of hitting jackpot is high, but well worth the hassle."
And you somehow know his relationship with his younger siblings was such that he'd even be able to make such a callous remark after what would be a relatively short span of time for recovery from the trauma? How do you know she didn't involve him in their care? Most moms looking for a break wouldn't pass up the free babysitting potential of a teenage sibling. Heck, I had a friend that made a point of taking as many opportunities through school, church and work to be out of the house that he could because his mom was trying to use him to babysit every night of the week while she dated and tie up all his weekends as well. He did babysit a lot, anyway, especially when his mom would just leave and be gone for days. But my friend still loved his siblings very much and actually started savings accounts for them when he graduated. If this woman's son loved his siblings, he may never be able to get over what happened, even with therapy.
Those poor babies and that poor dog. Also Owen is a huge hero in my book, I love that he went against his mom's lies and told the truth and told the police about all of her phones and devices. Thank you Owen for being a wonderful big brother, I hope you get all of the support you need to get through this.
I believe this shows that Owen has his own conscience and he will make it through this even though he will be forever traumatized. Bless this young man's heart.
Let's not shed too many tears for that dog. Most guys have to fork over a sizable portion of their wages on a dinner at a ritzy restaurant, roses, and quite possibly a high-priced hotel room, before they get anywhere close to a woman's pussy. Boomer quite literally got it thrust in his face, without having to shell out one red cent, and had a woman begging that he go for it. Sounds like he got a sweet deal to me
my cousin tried to harm himself when he was 14 my aunt found him screamed at the neighbors to get a knife, she cut him down and resuscitated him. he was dead for 2 minutes before she saved him. any normal mother would do anything to save their child
DAMNNNNN I haven't seen Stephanie go off on a disgusting murderer like that in a while! And I was HERE for it! You tore that woman to shreds and I loved it. Such a tragedy, I really hope they throw this book at this woman.
Ya no parent would be so heartless. Oh dear lord. It makes me angry 😠 my husband and I lost on of our twin boys before birth and we lost it, we nearly lost ourselves. I hadn't even held him in my arms yet and I was still pleading to God to give me my baby back. I lost it completely. I felt like I was just gone. My surviving twin is 3 years old now and we are so cautious with him and our 9 year old. Hear crying, we run. Upset, we are right there. This "person" is a monster. Can't even call it a person.
props to Owen for telling the police about the cell phones and the truth about the basement and his conversation with Connor about the bullying. It seems like he might have his own suspicions and is trying to help out as best he can.
What’s really sad is that the anger and disgust expressed here means you care more about those kids than their own mother did. We all do. God rest their souls.
I bawled throughout and especially at the end of this video and then, like a slap in the face, I realized i probably shed more tears for those sweet babies i never even knew than she ever has. It was a truly horrible and chilling realization.
Okay as a mom to a 10 year old boy who actually IS being bulled in school they've been calling him "gay" and going around spreading rumors about him saying he has kissed a boy when relationships are the furthest thing from his mind he literally came home from school in december on my birthday when we were about to get ready to go out for dinner and said "no one at my school cares if i live or die" and it scared me to hear my 10 year old son saying that like literally terrified me. I made a report and talked to his teacher and principal and the counselor...and apparently the administration did an investigation and said they dont consider it "bullying" and it infuriated me to no end!!!! It stopped for a while but it just recently started back up again with one kid in particular and I told his teacher that they have done NOTHING to discipline these kids all they did was give them a "stern talking to" so i said I'm going to have to get the police involved if they are not going to protect my kid when he is in school then I am going to have to get the law involved. I'll be damned if something happens to my son because some little shit head kids whos parents arent raising them right is hurting him. I send my son to school and trust these teachers and administration to keep him safe and they have shown me they are not doing that. So for this POS mother to lie and say her son was being bullied at school and he took his own life and his sisters life? it is absolutely despicable. I think the only one who was bullying him was her!!!
If you continue to get no help file a lawsuit against the school the news will pick up the story and oh how fast bad publicity gets a school to finally do their job
Exactly how i feel/ felt. My daughter was getting bullied and as soon as i found out i removed her from that school. She started going to a new school and at that school a group of girls started picking on her, so i put her in home school ( technically a charter school). I wanted her go from insecure to very secure and strong as i built her up at home. She is almost 18 and is doing great. That woman was no mother she is a monster!
I’m so sorry this is happening to you and your baby. Schools here in Scotland have this anti bullying system that is useless. Dont stop fighting the nonsense the schools tell you. Take it further! Me (being Scottish and a little wild) I would have been at the other kids doors making sure the parents were taught a lesson they can pass on to their kids.
@@wendywarrior2264 I bet it was. That’s a PTSD moment for any first responder. I’m a nurse and I really do not know how you guys confront these instances in the first instance, the panic of trying to save these kids must have been horrible, there is no way you could sleep at night after going through that scenario! And wow just wow how can any parent not attempt to save their children, “ I couldn’t save them because you have sweaty hands.” Omg, I would pull the house down to save my children. You complete selfish and heartless monster I’m so angry! These children had a chance.
As a 15 yr police veteran........this kind of thing is beyond gut wrenching and sickening to be involved in. This kind of thing never leaves you. And that is just the adults. Anything involving children requires tonnes of restraint after the adrenaline of the initial shock of the call wears off
@@KiwikimNZ Same way you probably do, just walking away able to know that we did everything we could. Fortunately I’m not a parent so that makes it easier for now.
"Lisa must have purchased her dog lead during the infamous dog lead rush of 2019" Absolutely awful case but your comment really relieved some of the horror and made me chuckle. I love your sarcasm!
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. The dog leads were flying off the shelves like hot cakes, you couldn't find one anywhere. We had to boil two pounds of spaghetti and tie the noodles together to create a makeshift one. I will never forget those days.
“The teacher would be rating his homework, and 8 year old Connor would be flossing right next to her”. That’s the most 2020-2021 thing that I’ve ever heard. Rest easy kids.
I have Complex PTSD, and the one thing that keeps me going and makes me want to be the best version of myself (even on the worst days) is my child. How she could blame what she did on PTSD is so infuriating!!!
Yes! This! SO much THIS! I have complex PTSD that interrupts my work and home life on an intermittent basis, but my child was my world, and he is healthy and well-adjusted and happy and does NOT have PTSD, because I mothered him the right amount and let him go gently in his own time. I went to counseling and took meds even though it wasn't fun or convenient while he was growing up because I was abused and scared of my shadow, but my son was and is not. That's what motherhood, fatherhood, parenthood IS.
My mother was in a native residential school when she was a child to a teen and she has severe ptsd and me and my brothers and sister are her life she told us all the time how if it wasn’t for us then she would have hurt herself a long time ago.
I think what adds to the upsetting and disgusting factor is that she very likely knew that her children were afraid of the basement, and that's where she chose to kill them.
@Jackson Lay Personally, I don't think advocating for violence in response to another's violence is the right answer... but that's just my opinion. Protest? Sure. Violence? Counter productive & contradictory.
Yeah, that would be "planned insanity" in her case, and there is no such thing. There are parents who kill their kids in depth of a psychosis, and that are in fact genuinely insane. This woman is no such thing. She's just unbelievably horrible. 😡
When you mentioned the same day Connor was getting off the bus heading to his death, you were getting your 8 yr old of the bus as well. It’s so interesting to me how we are all living the same life but experiencing so differently. So sonder. Poor babies, rest easy angels.
@@Wendy-mw1cn Wait, it was the same day!? Holy crap! Also interesting that she was working on the video about the LaLauries, considering the kind of woman she was.
You just mentioned Connor giggling while he read & dancing around to make everyone laugh. It made me cry because it makes me think of my little brother, & how sweet little boys are at that age. I am dreading the outcome of this story😭💔
I'm right there too. And getting gifts at school for being helpful, bringing them to his sister.❤ Gosh *This woman had just gotten her kids back from the custody of CPS. I can't understand why she would take her kids back only to kill them. Why not just let CPS have them?
My uncle has suffered from severe depression at different points in his life and he would *never* say he didn't care about his children even at his worst or stop caring for them. She's not depressed, she's a monster
Yeah, I doubt it was postpartum depression (**can** happen after child birth & needs to get treated asap) either because she did it in an extremely calculated way & her children weren't that young either... depression is different for everyone as I stopped caring about everything & everyone but I'd never hurt someone though..
My husband has depression and he will say he hates himself, or that he isn't good enough and the like....but he is adamant that he always loves his children. That has absolutely never faltered.
My mum is severely depressed has been her whole life from a life long abuse and mistreatment and also just bad fucking luck. But god she loves my brother and I more than anything in the world and I know she truly means it when she says it too.
The fact that she tried to hide her involvement in the murders means the “I didn’t know it was wrong” mentality needed for a successful insanity defense is pretty much blown out of the water.
True that!! And the fact that her son was having speech, motor skill, or weight problems is bc of CRAZY mom! Another Lori Vallow case of saving the kids before the worst?!!!
mæximum effort From what I understand, “insanity” is a legal term which boils down to the “I didn’t know it was wrong” element. Former FBI profiler Dr. John Douglas sums it up nicely when he talks about people saying “they had to have been crazy to do something so heinous.”, but being crazy and being insane are far different things. In this case, (and my opinion) she’s crazy as a shithouse rat... but she sure as hell isn’t insane.
Dr. John Douglas made another point this case made me think of. So many people claim a DID diagnosis at trial when symptoms of DID have never been noted by the killer, their friends and family, or professionals prior to trial... *nor after trial* Generally, they say “my other personality, Johnny, did it!!” But after sentencing, Johnny never rears his ugly homicidal head again. Kenneth Bianchi, one of the Hillside Stranglers, is a perfect example. Just a tidbit if found interesting.
I feel physically sick at the thought of her just wandering around the house on her cellphone while they where dying. To not even stay with them. Even if she wasn't guilty (which she obviously is) that's completely and absolutely evil.
I would take anyone's children into my heart and home at any time to help a mother regain her mental health. Murder is never the answer and certainly I'm not the only one.
@@jerryslove that doesn't matter. I was in foster care, my first family I was placed with both parents smoked, were older, only one had a job (mostly lived off the money paid 4 the kids to live there). Biological "kids" (both in their 20s) lived there, smoking weed & tobacco (in a state where weed isn't legal) and drinking hard liquor in front of us every night. They barely had room for us, all three foster kids shared one room & we were treated like crap. If you're someone who would actually care about the kids, please apply. We really need more people who are actually in it to make a difference.
I adore how you intentionally put in little details about the victims, you humanize them and bring meaning and life to the victims. It always hits home for me and makes me see them as humans and in my opinion what really makes you stand out form other true crime media.
This case happened about an hour away from me, and this was big, big news. No one believed that the kids had killed themselves. We all knew that she was guilty. Thank you for covering this case!
@@StephanieHarlowe the news did report as if it was the truth, but sooooo many of us were NOT buying it and kept posting our suspicions. it feels great to know that we were right about them. especially when people who knew her and her children spoke out about it.
These poor babies. I can’t imagine how scared they were. Mental illness aside, any person who could stand there & watch the fear in their eyes as they slowly died is evil. Thank you for the beautiful tribute to them.
With all the information Owen was giving the police you can tell he wasn’t buying what his mother said happened to his brother and sister for one second. I hope he’s doing okay.
I thought the very same thing. He’s probably figuring he’s lucky to be alive, but also having some level of survivors guilt because he also had to endure all of his life having a mother who totally sucked.
We are breeding normal maternal attachment out of generations of mothers in the industrialized world via biochemical obliteration during the birthing processes
I once found my kitten tangled around her neck in a new rope toy and I went into more effort to help her than this "mother" did, this case hurts me SO much
I lost a son. He was 25 and even now I would give my all to have saved him or to take his place so that he could live. Anything. It literally breaks my heart in pieces that anyone could cause for their children to leave this earth before they could even live. I am disgusted that this woman could even be called “mother”.
So sorry for your loss, Veronika. Can't imagine what it's like to loose a child, but I suspect it's the most painful kind possible. My parents lost their first baby 38 years ago, and my mum still struggles to even talk about him. I was recording our family history and asked her some questions about him recently, and I could hear her whole demeanour change through the phone, I could tell it was still painful for her to remember. My mum is not the most caring person out there, not the super kind and nurturing type, but she had way more emotion to what happened to her child all these years ago, than this 'mother' did, even when standing at their children's hospital beds, while the doctors were still trying to save them. I don't usually judge people by their reactions to events, because they can be unpredictable and sometimes even odd, but heavens does this evil woman lack empathy...
@@r.n.4765 I’m sorry for your families loss. It is an ever altering thing when a death happens outside of what seems the natural order. You’re right. I definitely would hate to be this woman on judgement day. Thank you for your reply and sharing a piece of you ❤️
I would lose my teeth trying to bite the lead off of my children. I would put my entire weight under them to lift them off the leads. I would break the beam. I would do anything for them. I dont even have kids of my own and i would have given anything to save these kids. I cant believe this.
@@StephanieHarlowe I just got to the insanity defense. I'm out. I have mental disorders and I'm not out here killing people! She's sane as hell. Imagine months of alibi building from someone with multiple personalities?? Hahaha I actually have DID and i cant remember what we had for breakfast let alone did last week. Thank you for giving these kids a voice and outing this. I had an abusive mother and I never thought I'd say it, but... I'm glad she only mentally abused me. That I can remember.
@@bi-witched8646 I'm in the same boat. I've suffered from severe depression, anxiety, PTSD (stemming from sexual assault) & also grew up with an emotionally & mentally abusive stepmother but I cannot for the life of me EVER EVER EVER imagine doing anything so absolutely evil & abhorrent to anyone, much less a child &/or an animal 😭💔 I hope you're doing well. My mantra has become things don't happen to us, they happen *for* us 💌
I'm wondering thru the whole thing where the "father" has been? Did any of the children have him (them?) in their lives? Same father of all 3? Child support? She seemed to be okay financially...messed up woman for sure! Wonder about the grandparents/aunts/uncles too.
She wouldn't have been able to unilaterally withdraw life support if there were any hope of recovery, even if she weren't a murder suspect; seeing as she wasn't allowed to be in the room alone with her children, I'm sure the hospital staff would have been apprised of the situation and abstained from removing support unless the children were already legally dead, i.e. brain dead. Decisions to remove life support under normal circumstances are typically the result of an agreement between a patient's family/guardian and the doctors treating them, especially when there is no advance healthcare directive or power of attorney. When there's disagreement about what should be done, either the hospital or family will often take it to court and a judge will decide. In Pennsylvania, two different doctors have to confirm that the patient is either in the end stages of a terminal illness or in a persistent vegetative state for such a patient to be removed from life support. Since Brinley and Conner's brain activity had ceased, if Lisa feigned grief and refused to consent to life support being withdrawn (if she had a say at all) it would have been at odds with the opinion of the doctors and it wouldn't have changed anything.
@Mandi W idk about in Pennsylvania where they lived but here in Tennessee where I am the family does not have the option to make that decision until the doctors say there is nothing more they can do. Even then they have 2 separate doctors check brain activity 12 hrs apart and if both find that there is no activity (brain dead) then the decision to remove from life support is given to the family. Sometimes they can choose to wait a little longer, for instance if a family member is coming from out of state and they want to give them time to say goodbye. Usually the doctors won’t wait for too long, I think a couple of days is the max! I would imagine since they already suspected the mom had something to do with it that they wouldn’t have allowed her to make that decision if they thought for a second that the children had any chance of surviving. It’s just so terribly sad! I’ll never understand how any mom could hurt her own children! 😢
Thank you for adding the memorial video at the end. It’s heartbreaking, but they deserve to be remembered. What precious little babies. They deserved so so much better.
I feel SO bad for Owen, his 2 little siblings gone and his mom killing them and then what she did to the dog. This is going to follow him for the rest of his life I hope he gets help he will need.
Yes. I feel terrible for the three children, the dog, and also for the firefighters who saw those kids hanging. They will be haunted for the rest of their lives.
Seriously. I can't imagine losing you're two siblings at the hands of your mother and having the entire world and all your friends know your mother screwed the dog. Poor kid.
I thought the same thing, he's the one left who probably gonna get his bullshit excuse of a mother following him and I wouldn't be suprised if he REALLY WAS suicidal because of her, he had to put up with this woman for 17 years I think the kids are (as terrible as it sounds) better off dead than being "raised" by her. Honestly all of her kids are being her victims, not only the youngest onces and the dog
Well, it would've been shocking for her to keep him out of it because of love. He was old enough not to be a burden, and also comparatively difficult to kill. He had to be gone for her evil plan to work.
Stephanie, you shouldn't hold back at all on your videos. You were brilliant in this. This is one of the worst cases I have ever heard of. Death penalty is 100% appropriate.
I accidentally pinched my sons belly with the clip of the car seat(I had t realised it was too tight on his belly) and I legit cried with him and felt so sick. He was fine after like a minute but I was so so upset and angry at myself for not realising what was happening. I loosened the clip a little and we were fine to keep going with our day but I held him so tight and gave him a bluey teddy because I still felt so so bad for what I had done. A pinch. **HOW ARE MOTHERS WHO BIRTH THESE TINY CHILDREN OUT OF THEIR BODIES DO THIS?!**
Seriously. I have a ten year old son and when he falls and skins his knee (it happened twice while he was learning to ride his bicycle) it made me so shook up and upset. How do you kill your own child?!? I can't fathom the evil in this woman and those like her.
Growing up I lived about five miles from the Ga State Prison where the death row inmates were kept & if you worked at the prison they had housing for the employees & their families. I went to school with the wardens four kids & many other kids who lived on the grounds & our school bus was on that stop as well. But one weekend the wardens kids were playing basketball in their driveway & their mom had just come home from the store. She didn't realize that she put the car in neutral instead of park & started inside. Their eleven year old son ran behind the car to try & stop it from rolling backwards & it knocked him down and ran over him with the car tire stopping on him. His mom started yelling & the prisoners who were doing cleanup on the grounds ran over and lifted the car off of him. He was dead at that point but one of them did CPR on him. He was in the hospital for six months but went on to make a full recovery & today he's married with children and he's a pastor. My point is that even these prisoners had such amazing compassion for this boy and saved his life while this pos mom killed her children. Poor babies. RIP.
I know I'm a bit late today. I was so relieved to read that the boy survived after you telling that he had been dead already.. But I really need to say that prisons are full of pretty good people who made really bad decisions at one point. They are not all evil. It's true.
My baby woke during this video then that woke my 3 yr old. I jst kept hold of them. Looking at them and their gorgeous little faces. I also have a 17 and 14 yr old. Boy, girl, boy, girl. So I know this dynamic and how beautiful it can be. I can’t even. I’m just too distressed. Thank you for bringing to light their short, tragic lives. Hopefully they can live on in our hearts. My heart goes out to Owen.
You seem like a wonderful mother☺️🥰🥰 if only these two angels in the video had someone like you, such a tragic story I can’t imagine🥺🥺and you look beautiful in your profile as well ❤️
Stephanie, I am watching this 3 years after you posted this. This case still has yet to go to trial, and is on hold until it can go to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. I think many of us would love to hear more of this case once it does. Please update us when it does, thanks!
whats even more sick is connor wasnt being bullied yet his own mother put that narrative on it bc thats the way SHE saw her own son.. SHE thought he looked/acted like a child that should be bullied. smh disgusting
That picture of Connor at the end with the kitty just ripped my heart out. May these babies rest in Jesus' arms forever 💔 I watch a lot of true crime, I've never commented before, this one really hurt.
Thank you for treating this case with the passion it deserves. As a pastor, I cannot say “amen” to wishing eternal damnation on any soul. But as a father, I am hard pressed to believe she even has one. Had you treated this subject with cool professionalism, and remained journalistically aloof (or “impartial,”) it would have done the memory of these precious children a grave dishonor. Your angsty delivery was the only thing that enables me to finish the video. May justice be swift. And may the memory of these babies be for a blessing.
Well said sir, and I especially like what you said about not wanting to condemn her soul to eternal damnation but not even being sure she has one & I whole heartedly agree. Stephanie was the perfect person to tell this horrible and disturbing story💔. Her obvious dislike for the perpetrator was the only reason I kept going because I was so disgusted by this woman. I hope prison is just awful to her.
As I look back at a neighbor (6th grader) who supposedly hung herself in the back yard 15 yrs ago, I cant help but wish we were on to parents then like we are now. Whatever it takes we need to question and protect !
as someone that’s struggled with suicidal thoughts and tendencies as a young child, i just cant imagine a literal eight year old knowing anything about suicide, let alone knowing how to properly hang himself AND someone else. that story didn’t add up in the first place, i didn’t believe it for a second.
I also struggled with suicidal tendencies as a child and my first attempt actually happened at 8. I didn’t know exactly what I was doing as I was just trying to recreate what I saw but I tried to hang myself with a curling iron cord from the bathroom light.
I actually did know about suicide even earlier than that, probably thanks to a Mad Magazine piece, "Duck Edwing Contemplates Suicide." It featured various ludicrous methods of suicide, drawn by Edwing. It was, of course, funny in the classic Mad style. When one of my 1st-grade teachers used the word "contemplate," and asked the entire grade what other things one can contemplate, I raised my hand and said "you can contemplate suicide." This was just a few years after the school district had a teen suicide cluster that made headlines around the country (I knew none of that). Looking back, I realize now just how disturbed the teachers were at that moment; one of them saying that she hoped the word "suicide" wouldn't be part of my vocabulary.
I became suicidal at 9 but never considered hanging as I knew I couldn’t do the knot. And the idea that a child who is suicidal would kill their sibling too? Absolutely disgusting. I didn’t do through with hurting myself because of my siblings. I couldn’t bear the idea that it would damage them for the rest of their lives.
If this already wasn't bad enough, she then tries to blame this awful crime on her sweet, innocent, little son so that everyone thinks he's a murderer? I don't even have words except for that I want to plug in the chair myself. Those kids (including Owen) deserved so much better.
@@christineg3381 I agree, sweet, adorable looking children. Not that looks should matter, but they were so stinkin' cute. They could have found another home in no time.
Only bc she’s speaking to us. I feel like she’d have an entirely different demeanor if given half an hour’s time alone with this woman who hurt these children. I don’t “love” it - it’s not amusing, it’s an understandable expression of empathy for the children as a mom and she seems to be restraining herself. Entirely understandably. I am feeling completely sickened and outraged rn.
God imagine how the 17 year old feels about this situation to not only loose his two siblings but also his mother's involvement. I hope wherever he is he found peace and happiness.
my brother was little and chunky just like this boy! He was never bullied and everyone loves him! Now he’s 16 and skinnied up but I’m sobing for him! 😩😥 I have a soft spot for chunky kids!
I am so sorry for this kid also. And like I'm not trying to body shame anyone but Jesus that woman was morbidly obese. How she could talk about her poor little son being "fat" is beyond me. The kid was a lil chunky. She was a hideous beast. I hate her so much.
The thing that scares me most is you can’t possibly hang two people at the same time. Whichever child she hung first must have either seen it happening or witnessed their sibling hanging from the beams before she did the same to them. That thought terrifies me. Who ever she murdered second must’ve been more scared than I can imagine. That really haunts me
I thought the same, and I wonder if she knocked her son unconscious with something first because surely he would put up a fight seeing her try to harm his 4 year old sister? who knows but it's so disturbing the whole thing, those poor kids.
Right. I'd like to think one of them was upstairs while she did the first one but it doesn't matter cuz once they came downstairs to see the horror of what happened to their sibling,I'm sure the fear they must've felt is unimaginable.
To me, it sounds like she forced her son to get the chairs while she was probably manually strangling/ hanging her daughter downstairs. Maybe she even.. tired to tell him if he got them down there, he could better help save her? I’m trying to make sense of it but the whole dialogue on the chairs really stuck with me.. it’s too specific* to be a random thought she came up with. It came from somewhere
Stephanie's anger in this video is something I relate to so much. Some people should not have children, more than than, some people shouldn't even walk the earth.
Some of us can't have children and are denied adoptions due to our status, and these people come, have theirs and then kill them like it's a sunday stroll through the park, it makes me insanely mad.
Words cannot define how livid I am. Those poor sweet kids. The pictures of them at the end breaks my heart. How could anyone do this to their children. The level of disturbing and sickness of this case is unimaginable
oh my god.... when you said you felt bad for even the dog i didn’t expect that... my heart hurts so bad for those babies and owen - they didn’t deserve to be subjected to such a horribly disgusting excuse for a mom.
As someone who struggled for years to have a baby and now for the last couple years struggling to find a dog to adopt, It makes me sick that people like this exist. Life is 100% unfair.
Wishing you lots of luck in your journey❤️ my aunt and uncle tried for children for about 6 years and suffered a few losses before they finally had their first child and then their second child a few years later. I always have the hope that others will luck out eventually as well. In the meantime, I hope some shelters/rescues loosen up a bit and you can find a pup.
@@BRhymesss I did manage to get pregnant 5 years ago after almost 7 years of trying, and then again 2 years later which was a surprise. It is now because I have 2 children that I am struggling to get a dog. Many shelters in my area either have dogs that are said to be not good with children or the shelters just don't adopt to homes with young children at all as a general rule. Many dogs also apparently can't be in homes with other animals and we have 2 cats. The shelters also generally won't consider homes without a fenced in yard, which we don't have (not by choice, rental row house with hardly a yard) even though we are very active family, and we can't afford to buy a home because we spent our entire savings on fertility treatments, which ended up failing and ironically we ended up not needing as we got pregnant on our own between treatment cycles (which the doctor was sure would never happen with our issues). It has been a ride.
@@crochetingcanuck so glad you got to have your children. Reading this literally made my day after this story. I really hope you get your dog too. Love from 🇬🇧
@@crochetingcanuck I'd recommend a rescue organization that isn't attached to a shelter if you can find one! Ours worked for three months to find us the perfect dog who loves our cat and is super snuggly and sweet. She's a rowdy player with other dogs, but slows down the moment she sees our cat. They tested her in a home with multiple cats. Highly recommend!
“First of all, you are stupid. You’re a horrible, stupid person…” This is probably my favorite thing you’ve ever said. I might even use this quote in my Christmas cards this year, lol
I've been in a coma. I heard things and felt things. It was like dreaming. Even in death, this was all about this mother, not the victims. My heart breaks for these babies.😟😖😟😔😞
Thank you for sharing. I'm fascinated by people's individual experiences & consciousness in general. I primarily studied biology & physics but the more I learn about the universe, the more I come to understand there are much greater forces in play that we simply can't understand or comprehend in this state & that science, is in itself & by design, limiting. One of my favorite studies was that which indicated that neither the body or the brain 'creates' consciousness. Fascinating! Love it ✌🏻💙💚
@@Channeler324 oh, thank you. I'm pretty ashamed of this comment. I study human behavior, and I can't believe that I chose to communicate my experience before expressing my outrage and sadness for the loss of these children. It is obvious that this mom has issues, but none of which reach the level that denies her culpability. 🙏🤷♀️
Yes, absolutely! What these poor babies went through is just infuriating! My heart just breaks for them! After the death of my Mom in 2012 I started to get very sick, then began losing gaps of time, then stopped speaking and then I went into a coma. After many different tests and talking to my husband I was eventually diagnosed with Conversion Disorder due to my Mom's death. There were times that I was aware of what was going on, but my mind was compartmentalized and things felt dream-like to various degrees. It was really interesting how I came out of the coma though and I'm almost positive my eyes were already open "when the lights turned back on," for lack of a better way to put it. I just remember a nurse talking to me saying how my Mother would want me to go on living, and then a "switch flipped" in my mind. I still couldn't move, swallow food, and it took awhile for my mind/memory to come back but I wasn't in a coma anymore. Sorry for the long story all to say, *yes,* I agree that people can definitely be aware of what's happening around them and what's being said while in a coma. It can also definitely positively and negatively effect them as well. Those children needed to feel loved, cared for, and that their mother wanted them to continue living. Not saying that the results would have been different, but anything's possible. At least they would have passed away feeling loved. *Although* in this case it was their sick, disgusting, evil mother that put them there! So completely sad! 😭
My son was on life support this summer. I NEVER EVER for one second gave up hope. I never left his bedside except when the nurses could talk me into going to get food or go down the hall to takena shower. I have PTSD from them whole ordeal. Thankfully after some extremely scary moments and 80 days between the PICU and regular kids floor he got to go home.
Why have we not heard more about this case, Laurie Vallow everywhere, Chris Watts case everywhere. God bless all the beautiful children, who's only crime was having horrible parents. Thank-you Stephanie for bringing this case to us.
I can't even imagine hurting my son's feelings let alone hurting him physically or emotionally or mentally. That's my baby and when your a parent, your only job is to protect your babies.
I'm an aunt, not even a mom, and I can't stand to see my niece or nephews hurt or sad. It breaks my heart. I can't fathom these parents who are cruel to their children (physically or emotionally) much less torturing or killing them! I could not do that to any child much less my own!
We are sick over children that we have never met. It takes a certain kind of evil to do anything to purposely hurt our most innocent! I can’t even imagine what else she’s done to her children, considering her repulsive behavior with her dog! There’s no rehabilitation for someone like her
I’m a mom of 6... listening to your warning at the beginning of this video almost made me not even watch b/c I Can not stomach the thought of someone hurting their kids or any kids. I’m glad I made thru the video. You did a great job!
"I went down to ask if they wanted Boyardee or frozen pizza for dinner" should have been the first indicator that this mom aint great. Sure, that shit is fine here and there, but if those are the two options AND YOU GONNA ASK!? Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl please!
And then she wondered why he had a weight problem. Reminds me of my own mother. Never offer any healthy or fresh foods, only serves sodium rich trash, and then blames the child for being "fat", as if the child has any say in what s/he eat. I'm 30 years old now and trying to teach myself to each fruits and veggies because I never had them growing up.
Thank goodness I read this message before this part. Bestiality really, really upsets me. I hope Steph didn’t have to see those pictures. I want to puke.
Stephanie never apologize for yelling we dont feel like you are yelling at us just the situation so we understand we are right there with you in your frustration and anger and we love you and your videos keep up the great work
as a fellow mom: I LOVE YOU. i love you i love you i love you. thank you for NOT holding back for fear of upsetting those who are ‘she probably didn’t mean it how dare you’ people ... THANK YOU. ♥️ RIP Little Ones 👼🏻 👼🏻
Both children in school, that's half the time alone... she just wanted to annihilate her offspring. We can't be sure why people do this, Amityville blamed ghosts and psychosis, Lori Vallow blamed demons and zombies, we just can't be sure
I am completely horrified by this case. I cannot imagine EVER hurting my child like this. And the poor dog! OMG. WTF? I am so incredibly heartbroken for Owen as well. He lost his brother and sister, to his own MOTHER!!!!!!! This is just terrible. I do not have the words to express how upsetting this is.
My Granny told me that when she was in an induced coma, with tubes down her throat, she could hear my mom’s voice, and she knew that she was with certain people. My mom would tell her the date and the weather and some news everyday and she did not remember what was said, only who was there.
I was an icu nurse. I have so many stories about them being aware and knowing and hearing. I had a" brain dead " patient who we were just waiting for family, she actually woke the next day and told me I was wearing different scrubs and she preferred my "snoopy scrubs" . I saw her eeg with my own eyes. There's was no activity. It was so bizarre and miraculous
I think people don't realise that altho the physical act can be spur of the moment (like not planning it out days in advance) there is almost always a pattern of behavior that ramps up to suicide. Even if it's not noticeable at the time, in hindsight it seems obvious. Especially in a young child!
My heart goes out to Owen. Each child learning of their friend's death, lost their innocence. So grateful for the O/T, who you could tell, really made a connection to be able to speak on Connor's behalf.
I recall being suicidal at 8 years old because I had developed a severe case OCD that made life feel unlivable, my mom didn’t ignore it, she took me to the doctors and did cognitive behavioural therapy with me every night. Beyond that as an 8 year old I had no idea how I could kill myself let alone anyone else.
I was suicidal at around the same age too due to depression and trauma, but I didn’t even know that was even an option until I was at least ten. And even then I had no idea how to make a noose
Same here. I was suicidal at 9 but my "plan" was jumping off the top of the steps in my school onto the floor below. I wouldn't have had any clue how to set up a noose
Exactly! I'd wanted to die for as long as I can remember, and I didn't even have the slightest idea of how that actually could be accomplished. When I was 9 or 10 I started praying for it, and I thought that was brilliant! Then I got annoyed when time kept passing and nothing happened. I had no idea what to do then. I asked my mom and later on my older brother to kill me. I didn't know it was something you could do by yourself until I was like 13. I don't know if I could even make a noose now? Not without a ton of online learning and practice I'm really glad your mom took you seriously and helped you!!
I hope everyone in this comment section is doing much better. I didn’t know anyone else in this age group felt this way. I too struggled, and wanted to stick my tongue or silverware in the light switch. I don’t even know if that would work. I had no idea about real methods. I received help too because I was taken seriously by adults.
I have a 3 week old son, my first child, and the sight of him crying from a belly ache hurts my soul. You have to be an evil monster to hurt any child, But to KILL YOUR OWN children, I don’t think words even exist for that type of evil.
I still get up and check on my kids like several times a night😭 they’re so precious and I just... I can’t imagine hurting them oml me and my oldest got into a fight right before I was taking him to school and I said something mean to him oh my god and we didn’t get to properly make up and have a chat and cuddle before I said bye bc we really were running late and had to get him to school and I was just crying all day. As soon as I picked him up I just apologised for saying something nasty to him and I said that was absolutely wrong of me and I just felt awful, he is the most amazing little boy, so understanding and kind and loving and we made up and I make sure every day to make sure he knows he is so loved and I tell him all the things I love about him every night. My parents didn’t really say stuff like that to me. I have learnt my oldest son’s love language is words and so I do that, put notes in his lunchbox to just remind him I love him, I just could never imagine hurting my kids like to kill them? Oh my god. They are the reason I am alive. The thought of losing them hurts me so much inside. To kill your own children... I just...I can’t fathom it. How could you look at your child’s little face and still hurt them?? Agh. Also congratulations on your newborn baby, three weeks aw so so beautiful! I cannot wait to have another baby. They are so precious and that newborn phase is too short😭 absolutely treasure it❤️
Congratulations on your precious baby 💙 You know sometimes it's the opposite, like this Nazi monster, Klaus Barbie. He tracked, deported and caused the death of hundreds of kids from my region. Yet during his trial, the defense was like "he was an amazing father to his own children".
Congratulations on your new amazing gift from God!!!👶💕 Babies can make me forget all about anything bad going on! Except when I hear about MONSTERS like this one!!! I refer to them as the devil!!! Nasty, vile, toxic... 👹💩👿🖤🤏 I just cant imagine ever hurting an innocent child! I have 2 of my own, that are growing up WAY too fast! I'm only barely in NY 40s and my daughter is 18 and my son is almost 12! 🤦♀️ I enjoyed every second with my babies cause everyone told me to, since they grow way too fast! Those people were so right! 💯 Snuggle your baby every second you can! Spoil him rotten!!!💟 But teach him respect, of course. I'm sure you're a wonderful Mommy!!! 💕💕💕 👶🍼🤱💕💕💕
My brother and I were exceptionally close, around the same age difference too. He recently hung himself. He deliberately hid it from me, to protect me. Admittedly we are adults, but even as a child, being close and giving me his mcdonalds toys, he would never have considered 'taking me with him'. The fact that Lisa even thought that was a plausible story is absolute insanity
I am so sorry for the loss of your brother. My brother also committed suicide. He hid his struggles from everyone around him. Again, I'm so sorry. Sending you love and healing energy.
My brothers and I are a similar age difference and even though I had thoughts of ending my life from elementary school though freshman year of college, I never ever would have even once thought of taking anyone with me. The only thing keeping me alive most of the time was my brothers, because I knew they were going through the same struggle with similar thoughts and that if I did something it would probably trigger them to do the same. I cannot fathom thinking that was a good story.
Wow this actually made me feel sick! Evil doesn't even put it into context! I'm so glad that its people like you give these beautifuls souls a voice ❤. I've been watching your videos from mostly the start while I'm recovering from heart surgery in hospital. Think you the most real person and love the fact you don't hold back on these vile humans ❤
Boomer the dog is the one that has PTSD, am I right?
Everytime I hear about or see a dog (or any pet) in the beginning of a story, case, show/movie ... I already know... 😿
i’m truly speechless, i’ve never seen you so pissed about a case in my life 💀💀💀
Heck yeah-poor Boomer! That “woman” is a demon. It’s ALL in the eyes!
Poor Boomer and poor kiddos. She is a monster!
Dude.... I... wow.
"If I ever die." "IF."
Stephanie inmortal, confirmed.
That’s the goal 🤣🤣🤣
@@StephanieHarlowe You better be!!
New Stephanie unlocked: Vampire
Yeah! She knows so many historical things that I was questioning if she was immortal, now I know.
@@StephanieHarlowe it's the italian will to live longer than your enemies out of pure spite!
When I began dating my partner. We were snuggled on the couch watching a movie and enjoying some quite. Out of nowhere he jumps up and literally sprints to his sons room. Me having no idea wtf just happened waited like 3 minutes then went to go see what was up. Turns out his son had had a nightmare and he had heard this noise and sprinted to be by his side and cuddle him. I didn't hear a noise. Literally I heard nothing. I don't know how he heard him but the love he has for his child was so heartwarming I locked that man down immediately. I cannot imagine someone doing this to their child. Let alone placing the blame on them.
I needed to read a comment like this after that video.
Smart woman. He's a keeper.
Thank you for sharing this
You lucky lady. Glad you kept him.
He's probably very tuned in to the sounds his son makes if this is a common occurrence. Shows he's a good and attentive parent!
The fact that she claimed her son was bullied for being fat yet as far as anyone can tell, she is the ONLY person calling him that, makes me think that when he was alive the only person bullying him was her.
For sure! I totally got the same vibe.
my exact thoughts!
Same
Such a great point
10000000%, she also DEFINITELY starved him :(((
No idea why but the fact Connor, when given a reward at school, would choose something he thought his little sister would like was the most heart wrenching part to me. Hit me straight and hard in my feels.
Me and my little brother were in a Bible group at our church growing up called Awana. We would get "Awana bucks" for learning verses and every month or 2 we would be able to buy things in the Awana store. We would always buy each other something that we knew the other was saving for. After I was too old to do Awana anymore he was still in it and it still buy me a little something every time he went to the store. Siblings are the absolute best 🥺😭
I know..🥹 This one little detail shows what kind of kid he was,and what a great big brother he was!
It’s so terribly sad.And he must have been desperate to help his little sister,when he saw what his horrible mother was doing to her.aIt’s horrible.
I didnt think we would ever find someone Stephanie hates more than Chris Watts, but DING DING DING!!! Lisa wins the prize.
In my opinion they're all in the same tier and should form a club, now that would be a match made in Hell...
Right?! Stephanie out here draggin’ this chick all around the block and I’m soooo here for it 👌🏻💯🙌🏻❤️
Stephanie drags all those “”parents”” the same, as she should!
She despises them all, but I agree. I thought Watts was the ultimate level of “hate,” so to speak that she could reach. Damn did this not “woman/mother,” but demon, prove us wrong.
@Naiomi Pitre when I read that it was worst than T staunch I was like nooooo way and omg lisa is a demon ++++
I feel so awful for the teenage son. The survivor’s guilt and grief must be overwhelming. And coming to terms with the fact that your mother is a monster is going to be incredibly hard. Hope he finds some peace and happiness in his life as he moves into adulthood.
My twin sons are 17 in a few months, I can't even begin to imagine how much thier world would fall apart if they had to go through anything like poor Owen has. 17 is such a important age trying to move from the last of childhood and into adulthood I can only imagine how lost he feels. I hope he gets all the love and support he needs to have the most productive and happy life possible
Same thought here! I just can’t imagine what he’s going through and what else he has had to experience in life having her for a mother.
Peace and happiness may, in this case, be more easily acquired than anyone anticipated. Recent reports indicate that Lisa took out a substantial life insurance policy on both of the deceased, monies that she did get paid before the recent reversal of her own fortunes. Word has it that there is a plan in the works for that a substantial portion of all that to now go from her account, to the teenage son
He'll have access to a small fortune by time his eighteen, and be chilling on the beaches of Rio a few days after graduation. As he sips mojitos and scopes out every last piece of thong backed ass that walks by, he'll be thinking to himself: "As unpleasant as that mishap that went down a few years back was, I really made out like a bandit. I wouldn't turn down the opportunity for Mummy to have had a couple of more kids, with equally lavish insurance policies on them. The cost of hitting jackpot is high, but well worth the hassle."
I can't even imagine the pain he must feel everyday! Bless his heart..💔
And you somehow know his relationship with his younger siblings was such that he'd even be able to make such a callous remark after what would be a relatively short span of time for recovery from the trauma? How do you know she didn't involve him in their care? Most moms looking for a break wouldn't pass up the free babysitting potential of a teenage sibling. Heck, I had a friend that made a point of taking as many opportunities through school, church and work to be out of the house that he could because his mom was trying to use him to babysit every night of the week while she dated and tie up all his weekends as well. He did babysit a lot, anyway, especially when his mom would just leave and be gone for days. But my friend still loved his siblings very much and actually started savings accounts for them when he graduated. If this woman's son loved his siblings, he may never be able to get over what happened, even with therapy.
Those poor babies and that poor dog.
Also Owen is a huge hero in my book, I love that he went against his mom's lies and told the truth and told the police about all of her phones and devices.
Thank you Owen for being a wonderful big brother, I hope you get all of the support you need to get through this.
I believe this shows that Owen has his own conscience and he will make it through this even though he will be forever traumatized. Bless this young man's heart.
Nothing but love and support for Owen ❤️
Yes, this! 🤗
Let's not shed too many tears for that dog. Most guys have to fork over a sizable portion of their wages on a dinner at a ritzy restaurant, roses, and quite possibly a high-priced hotel room, before they get anywhere close to a woman's pussy. Boomer quite literally got it thrust in his face, without having to shell out one red cent, and had a woman begging that he go for it. Sounds like he got a sweet deal to me
@@MechaJutaro wtf is wrong with you
I can't imagine what her poor surviving son is dealing with. 😢
my cousin tried to harm himself when he was 14 my aunt found him screamed at the neighbors to get a knife, she cut him down and resuscitated him. he was dead for 2 minutes before she saved him. any normal mother would do anything to save their child
Thank God she got to him💔💔💔💔
Send love and healing to you all🌿🌿🌿
I’m so glad he survived.
My Mom cut my brother down and she was dying! Literally dying.
@@sheilarogge2461 Thank God for all the good moms.
There is your answer! Any NORMAL mother, this woman is less than normal off the hop
The only reason I smiled was the fact he would give his rewards to his baby sister, he loved her so much
That was a beautiful side note to a tragic story. ❤️
Wasn't thay just the sweetest 💕
Yes I agree blessings
I literally teared up. So pure...
Yes so sweet. Reminds me of my two kids. They do that for each other too.
DAMNNNNN I haven't seen Stephanie go off on a disgusting murderer like that in a while! And I was HERE for it! You tore that woman to shreds and I loved it. Such a tragedy, I really hope they throw this book at this woman.
The whole library
@@StephanieHarlowe Bricks and all.
Foul, foul, woman
She makes Casey Anthony look like a decent person compared to her
"I'm not gonna get my hopes up" holy shit. Literally no parent who cared about their child would say that. This woman is pure evil.
I would be pleading with God....losing my children would be and is unfathomable
@@SamIAmB as a mom of one 7 year old girl. I’d be losing my mind pleading and begging god and everyone else to pls help me
She won't last 2 minutes in prison
Ya no parent would be so heartless. Oh dear lord. It makes me angry 😠 my husband and I lost on of our twin boys before birth and we lost it, we nearly lost ourselves. I hadn't even held him in my arms yet and I was still pleading to God to give me my baby back. I lost it completely. I felt like I was just gone. My surviving twin is 3 years old now and we are so cautious with him and our 9 year old. Hear crying, we run. Upset, we are right there. This "person" is a monster. Can't even call it a person.
@@rebeccastrassenburg7662 ❤❤❤ i hope it gets easier
props to Owen for telling the police about the cell phones and the truth about the basement and his conversation with Connor about the bullying. It seems like he might have his own suspicions and is trying to help out as best he can.
Prob knows his mother very well...
Poor ducking Owen. I couldn’t imagine.
Yessss exactly
Also, poor Owen... I can’t imagine how he is feeling after losing his younger siblings and finding out how horrible his mother really is.
How did you comment 1 day ago? Lol was it the premiere notification?
@@momofdeux She posts videos privately a day or so before making them public for her Patreons!
I'm sure a part of him already knew how horrible she is.
@@StephanieHarlowe that is exactly what I was going to say!
@@JaimieAnne I’m going to have to look into that...
What’s really sad is that the anger and disgust expressed here means you care more about those kids than their own mother did. We all do. God rest their souls.
I truly believe that 🥲
💯. I’d add that I also believe most of the people commenting on here care more about these babies than their mother did... 😞
I bawled throughout and especially at the end of this video and then, like a slap in the face, I realized i probably shed more tears for those sweet babies i never even knew than she ever has. It was a truly horrible and chilling realization.
Thats how i feel about most child case. @@nicolec6637
Stephanie and this community she's built truely care about those who have suffered.
Okay as a mom to a 10 year old boy who actually IS being bulled in school they've been calling him "gay" and going around spreading rumors about him saying he has kissed a boy when relationships are the furthest thing from his mind he literally came home from school in december on my birthday when we were about to get ready to go out for dinner and said "no one at my school cares if i live or die" and it scared me to hear my 10 year old son saying that like literally terrified me. I made a report and talked to his teacher and principal and the counselor...and apparently the administration did an investigation and said they dont consider it "bullying" and it infuriated me to no end!!!! It stopped for a while but it just recently started back up again with one kid in particular and I told his teacher that they have done NOTHING to discipline these kids all they did was give them a "stern talking to" so i said I'm going to have to get the police involved if they are not going to protect my kid when he is in school then I am going to have to get the law involved. I'll be damned if something happens to my son because some little shit head kids whos parents arent raising them right is hurting him. I send my son to school and trust these teachers and administration to keep him safe and they have shown me they are not doing that. So for this POS mother to lie and say her son was being bullied at school and he took his own life and his sisters life? it is absolutely despicable. I think the only one who was bullying him was her!!!
♥️🙏🏽♥️🙏🏽♥️
If you continue to get no help file a lawsuit against the school the news will pick up the story and oh how fast bad publicity gets a school to finally do their job
Exactly how i feel/ felt. My daughter was getting bullied and as soon as i found out i removed her from that school. She started going to a new school and at that school a group of girls started picking on her, so i put her in home school ( technically a charter school). I wanted her go from insecure to very secure and strong as i built her up at home. She is almost 18 and is doing great. That woman was no mother she is a monster!
I’m so sorry this is happening to you and your baby. Schools here in Scotland have this anti bullying system that is useless. Dont stop fighting the nonsense the schools tell you. Take it further! Me (being Scottish and a little wild) I would have been at the other kids doors making sure the parents were taught a lesson they can pass on to their kids.
@@heatherwi79 scottish people are so cringe fuckin ell
As a paramedic, I can’t imagine walking into that horrific scene. Thanks for this video. Those poor babies.
girl, same. anything to do with paediatric patients always aches my soul.
They said it was horrible.
@@wendywarrior2264 I bet it was. That’s a PTSD moment for any first responder. I’m a nurse and I really do not know how you guys confront these instances in the first instance, the panic of trying to save these kids must have been horrible, there is no way you could sleep at night after going through that scenario! And wow just wow how can any parent not attempt to save their children, “ I couldn’t save them because you have sweaty hands.” Omg, I would pull the house down to save my children. You complete selfish and heartless monster I’m so angry! These children had a chance.
As a 15 yr police veteran........this kind of thing is beyond gut wrenching and sickening to be involved in. This kind of thing never leaves you. And that is just the adults. Anything involving children requires tonnes of restraint after the adrenaline of the initial shock of the call wears off
@@KiwikimNZ Same way you probably do, just walking away able to know that we did everything we could. Fortunately I’m not a parent so that makes it easier for now.
"Lisa must have purchased her dog lead during the infamous dog lead rush of 2019" Absolutely awful case but your comment really relieved some of the horror and made me chuckle. I love your sarcasm!
She could have at least said "Oh I bought it to have for when the dog gets bigger." That would have been more believable.
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. The dog leads were flying off the shelves like hot cakes, you couldn't find one anywhere. We had to boil two pounds of spaghetti and tie the noodles together to create a makeshift one. I will never forget those days.
@@StephanieHarlowe very crafty of you, a pasta dog lead. We will have to all remember this in case it happens again. Xx
@@DelicateTitanium you mean "when it happens again", we should always fear the next one, bc it's coming
I loved that too made me chuckle!
“The teacher would be rating his homework, and 8 year old Connor would be flossing right next to her”. That’s the most 2020-2021 thing that I’ve ever heard. Rest easy kids.
As a teacher of kids that age I can't tell you how many times a day my kids start flossing.
Amen
I floss after every meal and I floss in the morning and at night before bed
@@Melissa_newby lol it's a dance
@@meganbonds1130 oh lol now I know a new word
I have Complex PTSD, and the one thing that keeps me going and makes me want to be the best version of myself (even on the worst days) is my child. How she could blame what she did on PTSD is so infuriating!!!
I also have C-PTSD and fully agree. my daughter is my life
Same. People w CPTSD are more of a danger to themselves than their loved ones.
Yes! This! SO much THIS! I have complex PTSD that interrupts my work and home life on an intermittent basis, but my child was my world, and he is healthy and well-adjusted and happy and does NOT have PTSD, because I mothered him the right amount and let him go gently in his own time. I went to counseling and took meds even though it wasn't fun or convenient while he was growing up because I was abused and scared of my shadow, but my son was and is not. That's what motherhood, fatherhood, parenthood IS.
My mother was in a native residential school when she was a child to a teen and she has severe ptsd and me and my brothers and sister are her life she told us all the time how if it wasn’t for us then she would have hurt herself a long time ago.
Yeah, I have c-PTSD and would do anything to protect my kids, this is unfathomable.
I think what adds to the upsetting and disgusting factor is that she very likely knew that her children were afraid of the basement, and that's where she chose to kill them.
I hadn't thought about that.... Babies, poor babies...
I too thought of this ...she intentionally created fear , probably for her own gratification.
I thought the same thing.
Thought the same f..... N thing
Jesus, I hadn’t even thought about that. You are right, though. She is a fucking monster!
If she gets off on an insanity defense it’s time for the people who watch this channel to get REALLY loud.
Strength in numbers...
I'm still watching the episode but usually an insanity case isn't valid if you go out of your way to lie to police.
@Jackson Lay Personally, I don't think advocating for violence in response to another's violence is the right answer... but that's just my opinion.
Protest? Sure.
Violence? Counter productive & contradictory.
Yeah, that would be "planned insanity" in her case, and there is no such thing. There are parents who kill their kids in depth of a psychosis, and that are in fact genuinely insane. This woman is no such thing. She's just unbelievably horrible. 😡
@Jackson Lay I get it. She needs to be put down, however that comes about is fine with me.
When you mentioned the same day Connor was getting off the bus heading to his death, you were getting your 8 yr old of the bus as well. It’s so interesting to me how we are all living the same life but experiencing so differently. So sonder. Poor babies, rest easy angels.
Also, the same exact day JJ Vallow was murdered.
@@Wendy-mw1cn cults....
@@Wendy-mw1cn Wait, it was the same day!? Holy crap! Also interesting that she was working on the video about the LaLauries, considering the kind of woman she was.
Yes. It's so very cathartic...
You just mentioned Connor giggling while he read & dancing around to make everyone laugh. It made me cry because it makes me think of my little brother, & how sweet little boys are at that age. I am dreading the outcome of this story😭💔
I'm right there too. And getting gifts at school for being helpful, bringing them to his sister.❤ Gosh
*This woman had just gotten her kids back from the custody of CPS.
I can't understand why she would take her kids back only to kill them. Why not just let CPS have them?
My uncle has suffered from severe depression at different points in his life and he would *never* say he didn't care about his children even at his worst or stop caring for them. She's not depressed, she's a monster
I have moderate depression and while I definitely lose care for myself I never stop caring about my loved ones.
Yeah, I doubt it was postpartum depression (**can** happen after child birth & needs to get treated asap) either because she did it in an extremely calculated way & her children weren't that young either... depression is different for everyone as I stopped caring about everything & everyone but I'd never hurt someone though..
Exactly. I have severe depression and my boys are my life. They deserve the world, even when I feel the worst I possibly can.
My husband has depression and he will say he hates himself, or that he isn't good enough and the like....but he is adamant that he always loves his children. That has absolutely never faltered.
My mum is severely depressed has been her whole life from a life long abuse and mistreatment and also just bad fucking luck. But god she loves my brother and I more than anything in the world and I know she truly means it when she says it too.
The fact that she tried to hide her involvement in the murders means the “I didn’t know it was wrong” mentality needed for a successful insanity defense is pretty much blown out of the water.
True that!! And the fact that her son was having speech, motor skill, or weight problems is bc of CRAZY mom! Another Lori Vallow case of saving the kids before the worst?!!!
Most definitely, premeditation usually destroys that plea. She’s certainly is f*cked in the head, but not enough to NOT KNOW right from wrong!
mæximum effort From what I understand, “insanity” is a legal term which boils down to the “I didn’t know it was wrong” element. Former FBI profiler Dr. John Douglas sums it up nicely when he talks about people saying “they had to have been crazy to do something so heinous.”, but being crazy and being insane are far different things. In this case, (and my opinion) she’s crazy as a shithouse rat... but she sure as hell isn’t insane.
Dr. John Douglas made another point this case made me think of. So many people claim a DID diagnosis at trial when symptoms of DID have never been noted by the killer, their friends and family, or professionals prior to trial... *nor after trial*
Generally, they say “my other personality, Johnny, did it!!” But after sentencing, Johnny never rears his ugly homicidal head again. Kenneth Bianchi, one of the Hillside Stranglers, is a perfect example.
Just a tidbit if found interesting.
True, good reasoning.
I feel physically sick at the thought of her just wandering around the house on her cellphone while they where dying. To not even stay with them. Even if she wasn't guilty (which she obviously is) that's completely and absolutely evil.
Honestly I'd be even more disgusted if she watched/stayed as they died as that would make the whole entire thing even more morbid than it already is..
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I would take anyone's children into my heart and home at any time to help a mother regain her mental health. Murder is never the answer and certainly I'm not the only one.
You should apply to be a foster parent! You could help so many children! 😊😇☺️
@@SarahKDB I'm 58 and my husband's a smoker.
Definitely!
@@jerryslove that doesn't matter. I was in foster care, my first family I was placed with both parents smoked, were older, only one had a job (mostly lived off the money paid 4 the kids to live there). Biological "kids" (both in their 20s) lived there, smoking weed & tobacco (in a state where weed isn't legal) and drinking hard liquor in front of us every night. They barely had room for us, all three foster kids shared one room & we were treated like crap. If you're someone who would actually care about the kids, please apply. We really need more people who are actually in it to make a difference.
@@ladyinred5447 thank you for the info. I would love to foster!
I adore how you intentionally put in little details about the victims, you humanize them and bring meaning and life to the victims. It always hits home for me and makes me see them as humans and in my opinion what really makes you stand out form other true crime media.
Yes!! I feel like some true crime youtubers treat the victims like they’re just characters in a story instead of actual humans.
agreed! It makes them feel more real, like this is somebody I could've known not just some news story
Definitely agree.
This case happened about an hour away from me, and this was big, big news. No one believed that the kids had killed themselves. We all knew that she was guilty. Thank you for covering this case!
I'm glad to hear that at least because the early news coverage made it seem like they bought her BS story
@@StephanieHarlowe the news did report as if it was the truth, but sooooo many of us were NOT buying it and kept posting our suspicions. it feels great to know that we were right about them. especially when people who knew her and her children spoke out about it.
@@StephanieHarlowe the news run narrative on everything. It’s so sad.
I live not too far away either but never heard this! My husband (who is in law enforcement said he did though)
All the tv coverage was very suspicious and fishy from the start
Connor looks like he’s the most kindest, gentlest soul there ever was and Brinley looks so sweet and beautiful. God bless these little children.
Something about his sweet little face & hearing of his laugh. I think it's BC I have sons but this one hit me.
Reminds me of my younger brother when he was little:(
These poor babies. I can’t imagine how scared they were. Mental illness aside, any person who could stand there & watch the fear in their eyes as they slowly died is evil. Thank you for the beautiful tribute to them.
I doubt she watched she probably went upstairs and waited
With all the information Owen was giving the police you can tell he wasn’t buying what his mother said happened to his brother and sister for one second. I hope he’s doing okay.
Owen knew she was a pos
Owen probably saw a lot that others knew nothing about.
@@janicebell4030 yes, agreed 😞
Ya. He is a forgotten victim in all of this. I hope they have gotten him a good therapist and a support system because this could destroy a person
I thought the very same thing. He’s probably figuring he’s lucky to be alive, but also having some level of survivors guilt because he also had to endure all of his life having a mother who totally sucked.
How is it that us strangers end up caring so much more for these babies than their own family members??? Heartbreaking 😪😔
Crazy eh? It’s so true. And so damn sad.
@@Mama_Bear524 Truly 😔 x
I sat and cried, it broke my heart
@@dejacavu6259 wish I knew, this was so sad
We are breeding normal maternal attachment out of generations of mothers in the industrialized world via biochemical obliteration during the birthing processes
Stephanie: “Going to Heaven, to live with Jesus? Girl, you better get His name out of your mouth!”
Me: YASSSSS! PREACH!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Jesus: Lisa Snyder? Don't know her...
Yaaaassss! That's where I was at! I love when Stephanie tells it how it is! 🥰🥰🤣🤣
Majority of people in prisons identify as Christians. Religion is certainly not a deterrent
To tell someone to Not call on Jesus........dear God
@@adelaidemarie Don’t come for me.
I once found my kitten tangled around her neck in a new rope toy and I went into more effort to help her than this "mother" did, this case hurts me SO much
I lost a son. He was 25 and even now I would give my all to have saved him or to take his place so that he could live. Anything. It literally breaks my heart in pieces that anyone could cause for their children to leave this earth before they could even live. I am disgusted that this woman could even be called “mother”.
I am so terribly sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you and your family. I would definitely want to take the place of my child too.
@@nopenever3 thank you, very much.
So sorry for your loss, Veronika. Can't imagine what it's like to loose a child, but I suspect it's the most painful kind possible.
My parents lost their first baby 38 years ago, and my mum still struggles to even talk about him. I was recording our family history and asked her some questions about him recently, and I could hear her whole demeanour change through the phone, I could tell it was still painful for her to remember.
My mum is not the most caring person out there, not the super kind and nurturing type, but she had way more emotion to what happened to her child all these years ago, than this 'mother' did, even when standing at their children's hospital beds, while the doctors were still trying to save them.
I don't usually judge people by their reactions to events, because they can be unpredictable and sometimes even odd, but heavens does this evil woman lack empathy...
@@r.n.4765 I’m sorry for your families loss. It is an ever altering thing when a death happens outside of what seems the natural order.
You’re right. I definitely would hate to be this woman on judgement day.
Thank you for your reply and sharing a piece of you ❤️
God bless you and your family!
I would lose my teeth trying to bite the lead off of my children. I would put my entire weight under them to lift them off the leads. I would break the beam. I would do anything for them.
I dont even have kids of my own and i would have given anything to save these kids. I cant believe this.
That’s a normal mother’s instinct, and your future children (should you choose to have them) will be blessed to have you as their mother.
@@TheBerkeleyBeauty agreed!
You would do ANYTHING! And if you ran out of things to do, you would pull that house down around them trying to get them free. Exactly right.
@@StephanieHarlowe I just got to the insanity defense. I'm out. I have mental disorders and I'm not out here killing people! She's sane as hell. Imagine months of alibi building from someone with multiple personalities?? Hahaha I actually have DID and i cant remember what we had for breakfast let alone did last week.
Thank you for giving these kids a voice and outing this. I had an abusive mother and I never thought I'd say it, but... I'm glad she only mentally abused me. That I can remember.
@@bi-witched8646 I'm in the same boat.
I've suffered from severe depression, anxiety, PTSD (stemming from sexual assault) & also grew up with an emotionally & mentally abusive stepmother but I cannot for the life of me EVER EVER EVER imagine doing anything so absolutely evil & abhorrent to anyone, much less a child &/or an animal 😭💔
I hope you're doing well. My mantra has become things don't happen to us, they happen *for* us 💌
Soooo she was allowed to make the decision to "pull the plug" on them???!!! This makes me so furious. Insane. Absolutely CRAZY
I'm wondering thru the whole thing where the "father" has been? Did any of the children have him (them?) in their lives? Same father of all 3? Child support? She seemed to be okay financially...messed up woman for sure! Wonder about the grandparents/aunts/uncles too.
She wouldn't have been able to unilaterally withdraw life support if there were any hope of recovery, even if she weren't a murder suspect; seeing as she wasn't allowed to be in the room alone with her children, I'm sure the hospital staff would have been apprised of the situation and abstained from removing support unless the children were already legally dead, i.e. brain dead.
Decisions to remove life support under normal circumstances are typically the result of an agreement between a patient's family/guardian and the doctors treating them, especially when there is no advance healthcare directive or power of attorney. When there's disagreement about what should be done, either the hospital or family will often take it to court and a judge will decide. In Pennsylvania, two different doctors have to confirm that the patient is either in the end stages of a terminal illness or in a persistent vegetative state for such a patient to be removed from life support. Since Brinley and Conner's brain activity had ceased, if Lisa feigned grief and refused to consent to life support being withdrawn (if she had a say at all) it would have been at odds with the opinion of the doctors and it wouldn't have changed anything.
@Mandi W idk about in Pennsylvania where they lived but here in Tennessee where I am the family does not have the option to make that decision until the doctors say there is nothing more they can do. Even then they have 2 separate doctors check brain activity 12 hrs apart and if both find that there is no activity (brain dead) then the decision to remove from life support is given to the family. Sometimes they can choose to wait a little longer, for instance if a family member is coming from out of state and they want to give them time to say goodbye. Usually the doctors won’t wait for too long, I think a couple of days is the max! I would imagine since they already suspected the mom had something to do with it that they wouldn’t have allowed her to make that decision if they thought for a second that the children had any chance of surviving. It’s just so terribly sad! I’ll never understand how any mom could hurt her own children! 😢
Thank you for adding the memorial video at the end. It’s heartbreaking, but they deserve to be remembered. What precious little babies. They deserved so so much better.
I feel SO bad for Owen, his 2 little siblings gone and his mom killing them and then what she did to the dog. This is going to follow him for the rest of his life I hope he gets help he will need.
Yes. I feel terrible for the three children, the dog, and also for the firefighters who saw those kids hanging. They will be haunted for the rest of their lives.
I hope he changed his name & moves elsewhere, I couldn't imagine how he feels
---These ‘parents’ need to keep Diane Downs company---deep in prison cells!
Seriously. I can't imagine losing you're two siblings at the hands of your mother and having the entire world and all your friends know your mother screwed the dog. Poor kid.
I thought the same thing, he's the one left who probably gonna get his bullshit excuse of a mother following him and I wouldn't be suprised if he REALLY WAS suicidal because of her, he had to put up with this woman for 17 years I think the kids are (as terrible as it sounds) better off dead than being "raised" by her. Honestly all of her kids are being her victims, not only the youngest onces and the dog
What sickens me more is the fact that she waited for Owen to not be home. Because she didn't want him to stumble on them and try to save them. 😭
i didnt even think about that... that really hurts omfg
Well, it would've been shocking for her to keep him out of it because of love. He was old enough not to be a burden, and also comparatively difficult to kill. He had to be gone for her evil plan to work.
Stephanie, you shouldn't hold back at all on your videos. You were brilliant in this. This is one of the worst cases I have ever heard of. Death penalty is 100% appropriate.
I accidentally pinched my sons belly with the clip of the car seat(I had t realised it was too tight on his belly) and I legit cried with him and felt so sick. He was fine after like a minute but I was so so upset and angry at myself for not realising what was happening. I loosened the clip a little and we were fine to keep going with our day but I held him so tight and gave him a bluey teddy because I still felt so so bad for what I had done. A pinch.
**HOW ARE MOTHERS WHO BIRTH THESE TINY CHILDREN OUT OF THEIR BODIES DO THIS?!**
Seriously. I have a ten year old son and when he falls and skins his knee (it happened twice while he was learning to ride his bicycle) it made me so shook up and upset. How do you kill your own child?!? I can't fathom the evil in this woman and those like her.
I once clipped my son's finger while cutting his nails when he was a baby. I definitely cried more than he did about it. 😢
Growing up I lived about five miles from the Ga State Prison where the death row inmates were kept & if you worked at the prison they had housing for the employees & their families. I went to school with the wardens four kids & many other kids who lived on the grounds & our school bus was on that stop as well. But one weekend the wardens kids were playing basketball in their driveway & their mom had just come home from the store. She didn't realize that she put the car in neutral instead of park & started inside. Their eleven year old son ran behind the car to try & stop it from rolling backwards & it knocked him down and ran over him with the car tire stopping on him. His mom started yelling & the prisoners who were doing cleanup on the grounds ran over and lifted the car off of him. He was dead at that point but one of them did CPR on him. He was in the hospital for six months but went on to make a full recovery & today he's married with children and he's a pastor. My point is that even these prisoners had such amazing compassion for this boy and saved his life while this pos mom killed her children. Poor babies. RIP.
I know I'm a bit late today. I was so relieved to read that the boy survived after you telling that he had been dead already..
But I really need to say that prisons are full of pretty good people who made really bad decisions at one point. They are not all evil. It's true.
I really appreciate how you don’t sugarcoat things. That you explain in depth what happens to someone when they are hanged. These poor poor babies
My baby woke during this video then that woke my 3 yr old. I jst kept hold of them. Looking at them and their gorgeous little faces. I also have a 17 and 14 yr old. Boy, girl, boy, girl. So I know this dynamic and how beautiful it can be. I can’t even. I’m just too distressed. Thank you for bringing to light their short, tragic lives. Hopefully they can live on in our hearts. My heart goes out to Owen.
Hold em close, they are lucky to have you and you are lucky to have them. ❤️
You seem like a wonderful mother☺️🥰🥰 if only these two angels in the video had someone like you, such a tragic story I can’t imagine🥺🥺and you look beautiful in your profile as well ❤️
Stephanie, I am watching this 3 years after you posted this. This case still has yet to go to trial, and is on hold until it can go to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. I think many of us would love to hear more of this case once it does. Please update us when it does, thanks!
whats even more sick is connor wasnt being bullied yet his own mother put that narrative on it bc thats the way SHE saw her own son.. SHE thought he looked/acted like a child that should be bullied. smh disgusting
That’s EXACTLY what he thought. She practically said “he’s bullied because he’s a fat little loser and I want him to di- I mean…. he wants to die”
This is a perfect example of how cruelty to animals is often a prelude to cruelty to people.
I REALLY LOVE THE PASSION you had with this story. everything you said was absolutely true!
Omgg Alexis 😩😩 I’m gonna lose my mind
I love your videos
Agree!!
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That picture of Connor at the end with the kitty just ripped my heart out. May these babies rest in Jesus' arms forever 💔 I watch a lot of true crime, I've never commented before, this one really hurt.
Thank you for treating this case with the passion it deserves. As a pastor, I cannot say “amen” to wishing eternal damnation on any soul. But as a father, I am hard pressed to believe she even has one. Had you treated this subject with cool professionalism, and remained journalistically aloof (or “impartial,”) it would have done the memory of these precious children a grave dishonor. Your angsty delivery was the only thing that enables me to finish the video. May justice be swift. And may the memory of these babies be for a blessing.
Truly, well said xx
Well said sir, and I especially like what you said about not wanting to condemn her soul to eternal damnation but not even being sure she has one & I whole heartedly agree. Stephanie was the perfect person to tell this horrible and disturbing story💔. Her obvious dislike for the perpetrator was the only reason I kept going because I was so disgusted by this woman. I hope prison is just awful to her.
Beautifully said. 😔
Amen
Amen pastor
If anyone is going to have an army of internet detectives demanding an investigation into their death, it would be you Stephanie
But of course
Not only would we demanding one - we'd be doing it ourselves! 😂
As I look back at a neighbor (6th grader) who supposedly hung herself in the back yard 15 yrs ago, I cant help but wish we were on to parents then like we are now. Whatever it takes we need to question and protect !
as someone that’s struggled with suicidal thoughts and tendencies as a young child, i just cant imagine a literal eight year old knowing anything about suicide, let alone knowing how to properly hang himself AND someone else. that story didn’t add up in the first place, i didn’t believe it for a second.
Exactly. Made less than zero sense. Hope you’re doing better
I also struggled with suicidal tendencies as a child and my first attempt actually happened at 8. I didn’t know exactly what I was doing as I was just trying to recreate what I saw but I tried to hang myself with a curling iron cord from the bathroom light.
I actually did know about suicide even earlier than that, probably thanks to a Mad Magazine piece, "Duck Edwing Contemplates Suicide." It featured various ludicrous methods of suicide, drawn by Edwing. It was, of course, funny in the classic Mad style.
When one of my 1st-grade teachers used the word "contemplate," and asked the entire grade what other things one can contemplate, I raised my hand and said "you can contemplate suicide." This was just a few years after the school district had a teen suicide cluster that made headlines around the country (I knew none of that). Looking back, I realize now just how disturbed the teachers were at that moment; one of them saying that she hoped the word "suicide" wouldn't be part of my vocabulary.
I became suicidal at 9 but never considered hanging as I knew I couldn’t do the knot. And the idea that a child who is suicidal would kill their sibling too? Absolutely disgusting. I didn’t do through with hurting myself because of my siblings. I couldn’t bear the idea that it would damage them for the rest of their lives.
elija, I so hope that life is better for you now.
Stephanie should have been a prosecutor 😂 I was literally feeling everything she was saying!
I totally agree! I think that all the time!
She would be great, just like Nancy Grace, who was nicknamed Amazing Grace because she won so many cases.
She’s spot on. She thinks the way I do too.
tbh i am patiently waiting for her to announce that she is going to law school.
If this already wasn't bad enough, she then tries to blame this awful crime on her sweet, innocent, little son so that everyone thinks he's a murderer? I don't even have words except for that I want to plug in the chair myself. Those kids (including Owen) deserved so much better.
And just looking at the pictures at the end!! Ugh. My heart is broken they didn't deserve that!!!!! She needs to rot in prison.
@@christineg3381 I agree, sweet, adorable looking children. Not that looks should matter, but they were so stinkin' cute. They could have found another home in no time.
I love how passionate she gets. She's not yelling she's speaking emphatically loud.
Only bc she’s speaking to us. I feel like she’d have an entirely different demeanor if given half an hour’s time alone with this woman who hurt these children. I don’t “love” it - it’s not amusing, it’s an understandable expression of empathy for the children as a mom and she seems to be restraining herself. Entirely understandably. I am feeling completely sickened and outraged rn.
God imagine how the 17 year old feels about this situation to not only loose his two siblings but also his mother's involvement. I hope wherever he is he found peace and happiness.
my brother was little and chunky just like this boy! He was never bullied and everyone loves him! Now he’s 16 and skinnied up but I’m sobing for him! 😩😥 I have a soft spot for chunky kids!
I am so sorry for this kid also. And like I'm not trying to body shame anyone but Jesus that woman was morbidly obese. How she could talk about her poor little son being "fat" is beyond me. The kid was a lil chunky. She was a hideous beast. I hate her so much.
The thing that scares me most is you can’t possibly hang two people at the same time.
Whichever child she hung first must have either seen it happening or witnessed their sibling hanging from the beams before she did the same to them.
That thought terrifies me.
Who ever she murdered second must’ve been more scared than I can imagine.
That really haunts me
I thought the same, and I wonder if she knocked her son unconscious with something first because surely he would put up a fight seeing her try to harm his 4 year old sister? who knows but it's so disturbing the whole thing, those poor kids.
Right. I'd like to think one of them was upstairs while she did the first one but it doesn't matter cuz once they came downstairs to see the horror of what happened to their sibling,I'm sure the fear they must've felt is unimaginable.
To me, it sounds like she forced her son to get the chairs while she was probably manually strangling/ hanging her daughter downstairs. Maybe she even.. tired to tell him if he got them down there, he could better help save her? I’m trying to make sense of it but the whole dialogue on the chairs really stuck with me.. it’s too specific* to be a random thought she came up with. It came from somewhere
I hadn't even thought about that, oh my gosh.
Those poor babies!
Omg😢😭
Knowing they had a big brother makes this even more sad. He has to live with ALL OF THIS LOSS. 😔
I'm proud of him for cooperating with the police
And guilt too, probably feels like it's his fault because he didn't notice his mom was crazy. Probably feels like he could've saved them
Stephanie's anger in this video is something I relate to so much. Some people should not have children, more than than, some people shouldn't even walk the earth.
Yes! I felt that too.
Absolute evil. I relate to that anger
Some of us can't have children and are denied adoptions due to our status, and these people come, have theirs and then kill them like it's a sunday stroll through the park, it makes me insanely mad.
When a woman decides EarlyTermination is best-She is knows she's saving others lives-
Words cannot define how livid I am. Those poor sweet kids. The pictures of them at the end breaks my heart. How could anyone do this to their children. The level of disturbing and sickness of this case is unimaginable
oh my god.... when you said you felt bad for even the dog i didn’t expect that... my heart hurts so bad for those babies and owen - they didn’t deserve to be subjected to such a horribly disgusting excuse for a mom.
So her kids last moments were in the place they were afraid of ? That really is so sick!
O.M.G.
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Ugh! I hadn’t thought of that.🥺
This is the most disturbing and heart breaking case I've heard in a looong time...may she rot in prison
Prison, the dirt, hell, wherever. Hopefully she feeds some flowers on the way out, but whatever.
Hell, may she rot in hell.
Its heartbreaking how many abusive parents or guardians there is out there.
Awww Big brother Connor bringing his baby sister his prizes from his hard work at school. So sweet
As someone who struggled for years to have a baby and now for the last couple years struggling to find a dog to adopt, It makes me sick that people like this exist. Life is 100% unfair.
Wishing you lots of luck in your journey❤️ my aunt and uncle tried for children for about 6 years and suffered a few losses before they finally had their first child and then their second child a few years later. I always have the hope that others will luck out eventually as well. In the meantime, I hope some shelters/rescues loosen up a bit and you can find a pup.
@@BRhymesss I did manage to get pregnant 5 years ago after almost 7 years of trying, and then again 2 years later which was a surprise. It is now because I have 2 children that I am struggling to get a dog. Many shelters in my area either have dogs that are said to be not good with children or the shelters just don't adopt to homes with young children at all as a general rule. Many dogs also apparently can't be in homes with other animals and we have 2 cats. The shelters also generally won't consider homes without a fenced in yard, which we don't have (not by choice, rental row house with hardly a yard) even though we are very active family, and we can't afford to buy a home because we spent our entire savings on fertility treatments, which ended up failing and ironically we ended up not needing as we got pregnant on our own between treatment cycles (which the doctor was sure would never happen with our issues). It has been a ride.
@@crochetingcanuck so glad you got to have your children. Reading this literally made my day after this story. I really hope you get your dog too. Love from 🇬🇧
Adopting a dog is easy. All u gotta do is go to ur local shelter and pick one. It will be the best decision of ur life i promise u.
@@crochetingcanuck I'd recommend a rescue organization that isn't attached to a shelter if you can find one! Ours worked for three months to find us the perfect dog who loves our cat and is super snuggly and sweet. She's a rowdy player with other dogs, but slows down the moment she sees our cat. They tested her in a home with multiple cats. Highly recommend!
“First of all, you are stupid. You’re a horrible, stupid person…”
This is probably my favorite thing you’ve ever said. I might even use this quote in my Christmas cards this year, lol
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I've been in a coma. I heard things and felt things. It was like dreaming. Even in death, this was all about this mother, not the victims. My heart breaks for these babies.😟😖😟😔😞
Thank you for sharing your experience. I really appreciate that, and I am very glad you are better now.
Thank you for sharing. I'm fascinated by people's individual experiences & consciousness in general.
I primarily studied biology & physics but the more I learn about the universe, the more I come to understand there are much greater forces in play that we simply can't understand or comprehend in this state & that science, is in itself & by design, limiting.
One of my favorite studies was that which indicated that neither the body or the brain 'creates' consciousness.
Fascinating! Love it ✌🏻💙💚
@@Channeler324 oh, thank you. I'm pretty ashamed of this comment. I study human behavior, and I can't believe that I chose to communicate my experience before expressing my outrage and sadness for the loss of these children. It is obvious that this mom has issues, but none of which reach the level that denies her culpability. 🙏🤷♀️
Yes, absolutely! What these poor babies went through is just infuriating! My heart just breaks for them!
After the death of my Mom in 2012 I started to get very sick, then began losing gaps of time, then stopped speaking and then I went into a coma. After many different tests and talking to my husband I was eventually diagnosed with Conversion Disorder due to my Mom's death. There were times that I was aware of what was going on, but my mind was compartmentalized and things felt dream-like to various degrees. It was really interesting how I came out of the coma though and I'm almost positive my eyes were already open "when the lights turned back on," for lack of a better way to put it. I just remember a nurse talking to me saying how my Mother would want me to go on living, and then a "switch flipped" in my mind. I still couldn't move, swallow food, and it took awhile for my mind/memory to come back but I wasn't in a coma anymore.
Sorry for the long story all to say, *yes,* I agree that people can definitely be aware of what's happening around them and what's being said while in a coma. It can also definitely positively and negatively effect them as well. Those children needed to feel loved, cared for, and that their mother wanted them to continue living. Not saying that the results would have been different, but anything's possible. At least they would have passed away feeling loved. *Although* in this case it was their sick, disgusting, evil mother that put them there! So completely sad! 😭
The poor dog too! This "woman" is evil!
My son was on life support this summer. I NEVER EVER for one second gave up hope. I never left his bedside except when the nurses could talk me into going to get food or go down the hall to takena shower. I have PTSD from them whole ordeal. Thankfully after some extremely scary moments and 80 days between the PICU and regular kids floor he got to go home.
I am so sorry you went through that, I cannot imagine what those days were like. I'm am so happy for you, that's he's home🤗
I’m glad he’s home! Hope he and you both are doing well ❤️
So glad he got to come home. Hugs
the way she manages to tell these stories in a lighthearted way without being disrespectful amazes me every time
Seeing that picture of them happy together makes me cry. Rest dear angels 💖
Why have we not heard more about this case, Laurie Vallow everywhere, Chris Watts case everywhere. God bless all the beautiful children, who's only crime was having horrible parents. Thank-you Stephanie for bringing this case to us.
Exactly! I watch true crime all day and it sickens me how many more mothers killing their children stories I keep missing. What is going on?!
Because Lori and Chris claimed their families were missing so it turned into
A national search for weeks (over a year in vallows case)
I remember seeing it on FB a few times from Nancy Grace, but then I didn't hear anything else until now.
I've been asking every RUclips that covers crime since it happened!!!! I am so shocked that no one has covered it :(
‘If you have a 250 pound dog you’re probably not the one in charge of your house’, that was brilliant 🤣🤣
I can't even imagine hurting my son's feelings let alone hurting him physically or emotionally or mentally. That's my baby and when your a parent, your only job is to protect your babies.
Same! Saying no to a chocolate breaks my heart when their little faces are sad
100%! I can’t even comprehend the coldness of this woman. I’m feeling so angry
I'm an aunt, not even a mom, and I can't stand to see my niece or nephews hurt or sad. It breaks my heart. I can't fathom these parents who are cruel to their children (physically or emotionally) much less torturing or killing them! I could not do that to any child much less my own!
We are sick over children that we have never met. It takes a certain kind of evil to do anything to purposely hurt our most innocent! I can’t even imagine what else she’s done to her children, considering her repulsive behavior with her dog! There’s no rehabilitation for someone like her
I’m a mom of 6... listening to your warning at the beginning of this video almost made me not even watch b/c I Can not stomach the thought of someone hurting their kids or any kids. I’m glad I made thru the video. You did a great job!
Thank you! Thanks for sticking through it, I know it was tough
6? Holy moly you've been busy!
6? Wish I could’ve had 6
Same, sameeee. My heart is aching..
"I went down to ask if they wanted Boyardee or frozen pizza for dinner" should have been the first indicator that this mom aint great. Sure, that shit is fine here and there, but if those are the two options AND YOU GONNA ASK!? Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl please!
And then she wondered why he had a weight problem. Reminds me of my own mother. Never offer any healthy or fresh foods, only serves sodium rich trash, and then blames the child for being "fat", as if the child has any say in what s/he eat. I'm 30 years old now and trying to teach myself to each fruits and veggies because I never had them growing up.
The pain Owen will feel for the rest of his life knowing he was unable to be there and prevent this from happening to his little brother and sister.
I'll join you in the protest if she gets out of this Stephanie. What a cruel and evil monster.
same, I am literally bawling my eyes out, right now.
Same
Shes a vile monster that should never be let loose again!
Absolutely, right there with you all
Same, I will protest with all of you if she come out like Casey Anthony
When she got to the bestiality part, I just realized how much Stephanie goes through researching cases for us.
I was gagging listening to it. Idk how she does it
For real, Jesus Christ. Just when you think it couldn’t get worse... 😦
Thank goodness I read this message before this part. Bestiality really, really upsets me. I hope Steph didn’t have to see those pictures. I want to puke.
@@hallievanoutryve3109 I want to puke just listening to that part. Steph is a very tough person to research that part of the case.
Umm. I may be naive, but how do you force a dog to do...that? 🤢
Stephanie never apologize for yelling we dont feel like you are yelling at us just the situation so we understand we are right there with you in your frustration and anger and we love you and your videos keep up the great work
as a fellow mom: I LOVE YOU.
i love you i love you i love you.
thank you for NOT holding back for fear of upsetting those who are ‘she probably didn’t mean it how dare you’ people ...
THANK YOU.
♥️
RIP Little Ones 👼🏻 👼🏻
Only a mother could tell this story with such passion. I love this young lady too. She is a treasure
'She hated being a stay at home Mom.' Alexa, play The Offspring, Why Don't You Get A Job
There is no excuse not to find something productive or entertaining to do as a SAHM once your kids are in school. Especially with today's technology.
Doubt she actually wanted a job given how much time she spent on social media. And all the phones. And the whole... everything.
Both children in school, that's half the time alone... she just wanted to annihilate her offspring.
We can't be sure why people do this, Amityville blamed ghosts and psychosis, Lori Vallow blamed demons and zombies, we just can't be sure
LIIIISA WHY DON’T YOU GET A JOB!
I am completely horrified by this case. I cannot imagine EVER hurting my child like this. And the poor dog! OMG. WTF? I am so incredibly heartbroken for Owen as well. He lost his brother and sister, to his own MOTHER!!!!!!! This is just terrible. I do not have the words to express how upsetting this is.
I literally agree with all. I can't fathom hurting my children. And I have 4 dogs. Man wish I knew her. There wouldn't be a need for a trial!!!!
Hopefully, the other inmates will take care of her for us!
My favorite part lol 27:16 - Stephanie telling this woman off, “So first of all, you ARE stupid. You are a stupid horrible person.” 🙌🙌🙌
My Granny told me that when she was in an induced coma, with tubes down her throat, she could hear my mom’s voice, and she knew that she was with certain people. My mom would tell her the date and the weather and some news everyday and she did not remember what was said, only who was there.
I figured they would be aware of something...
I was an icu nurse. I have so many stories about them being aware and knowing and hearing. I had a" brain dead " patient who we were just waiting for family, she actually woke the next day and told me I was wearing different scrubs and she preferred my "snoopy scrubs" . I saw her eeg with my own eyes. There's was no activity. It was so bizarre and miraculous
‘Anecdotal evidence is not statistics’ this definitely needed to be said, Stephanie. Some people refuse to acknowledge that sometimes..
I don’t understand why, but yes, I felt it needed to be said
I think people don't realise that altho the physical act can be spur of the moment (like not planning it out days in advance) there is almost always a pattern of behavior that ramps up to suicide. Even if it's not noticeable at the time, in hindsight it seems obvious. Especially in a young child!
A LOT of people refuse to acknowledge that, it seems.. I completely agree with you!
My heart goes out to Owen. Each child learning of their friend's death, lost their innocence. So grateful for the O/T, who you could tell, really made a connection to be able to speak on Connor's behalf.
I recall being suicidal at 8 years old because I had developed a severe case OCD that made life feel unlivable, my mom didn’t ignore it, she took me to the doctors and did cognitive behavioural therapy with me every night. Beyond that as an 8 year old I had no idea how I could kill myself let alone anyone else.
I was suicidal at around the same age too due to depression and trauma, but I didn’t even know that was even an option until I was at least ten. And even then I had no idea how to make a noose
Same here. I was suicidal at 9 but my "plan" was jumping off the top of the steps in my school onto the floor below. I wouldn't have had any clue how to set up a noose
Exactly! I'd wanted to die for as long as I can remember, and I didn't even have the slightest idea of how that actually could be accomplished. When I was 9 or 10 I started praying for it, and I thought that was brilliant! Then I got annoyed when time kept passing and nothing happened. I had no idea what to do then. I asked my mom and later on my older brother to kill me. I didn't know it was something you could do by yourself until I was like 13. I don't know if I could even make a noose now? Not without a ton of online learning and practice
I'm really glad your mom took you seriously and helped you!!
I hope everyone in this comment section is doing much better. I didn’t know anyone else in this age group felt this way. I too struggled, and wanted to stick my tongue or silverware in the light switch. I don’t even know if that would work. I had no idea about real methods. I received help too because I was taken seriously by adults.
I have a 3 week old son, my first child, and the sight of him crying from a belly ache hurts my soul. You have to be an evil monster to hurt any child, But to KILL YOUR OWN children, I don’t think words even exist for that type of evil.
I still get up and check on my kids like several times a night😭 they’re so precious and I just... I can’t imagine hurting them oml me and my oldest got into a fight right before I was taking him to school and I said something mean to him oh my god and we didn’t get to properly make up and have a chat and cuddle before I said bye bc we really were running late and had to get him to school and I was just crying all day. As soon as I picked him up I just apologised for saying something nasty to him and I said that was absolutely wrong of me and I just felt awful, he is the most amazing little boy, so understanding and kind and loving and we made up and I make sure every day to make sure he knows he is so loved and I tell him all the things I love about him every night. My parents didn’t really say stuff like that to me. I have learnt my oldest son’s love language is words and so I do that, put notes in his lunchbox to just remind him I love him, I just could never imagine hurting my kids like to kill them? Oh my god. They are the reason I am alive. The thought of losing them hurts me so much inside. To kill your own children... I just...I can’t fathom it. How could you look at your child’s little face and still hurt them?? Agh.
Also congratulations on your newborn baby, three weeks aw so so beautiful! I cannot wait to have another baby. They are so precious and that newborn phase is too short😭 absolutely treasure it❤️
Congratulations on your precious baby 💙 You know sometimes it's the opposite, like this Nazi monster, Klaus Barbie. He tracked, deported and caused the death of hundreds of kids from my region. Yet during his trial, the defense was like "he was an amazing father to his own children".
Congratulations on your new amazing gift from God!!!👶💕 Babies can make me forget all about anything bad going on!
Except when I hear about MONSTERS like this one!!! I refer to them as the devil!!! Nasty, vile, toxic... 👹💩👿🖤🤏
I just cant imagine ever hurting an innocent child! I have 2 of my own, that are growing up WAY too fast! I'm only barely in NY 40s and my daughter is 18 and my son is almost 12! 🤦♀️
I enjoyed every second with my babies cause everyone told me to, since they grow way too fast! Those people were so right! 💯
Snuggle your baby every second you can! Spoil him rotten!!!💟 But teach him respect, of course. I'm sure you're a wonderful Mommy!!! 💕💕💕 👶🍼🤱💕💕💕
EXACTLY !!!!
Yeah us caring mom's ache when our children our hurting. This woman was pure evil. Not that is matter but her children were so darling too!
My brother and I were exceptionally close, around the same age difference too. He recently hung himself. He deliberately hid it from me, to protect me. Admittedly we are adults, but even as a child, being close and giving me his mcdonalds toys, he would never have considered 'taking me with him'. The fact that Lisa even thought that was a plausible story is absolute insanity
I’m so sorry for your loss. I wish I could give you a hug. Your brother sounds like such a sweet person
@@StephanieHarlowe he was wonderful and I miss him a lot, the best big brother I could ever have asked for. I'm glad I had him for the time I did ❤️
Oh God. I am so, so sorry for your loss. 💖
I am so sorry for the loss of your brother. My brother also committed suicide. He hid his struggles from everyone around him.
Again, I'm so sorry. Sending you love and healing energy.
My brothers and I are a similar age difference and even though I had thoughts of ending my life from elementary school though freshman year of college, I never ever would have even once thought of taking anyone with me. The only thing keeping me alive most of the time was my brothers, because I knew they were going through the same struggle with similar thoughts and that if I did something it would probably trigger them to do the same. I cannot fathom thinking that was a good story.
Wow this actually made me feel sick! Evil doesn't even put it into context! I'm so glad that its people like you give these beautifuls souls a voice ❤.
I've been watching your videos from mostly the start while I'm recovering from heart surgery in hospital.
Think you the most real person and love the fact you don't hold back on these vile humans ❤
This case sickens me on so many levels. Those poor babies had no chance with this evil women. I hope that Owen can heal from this 😔
Owen and boomer both. This is just terrible for them both.
I was listening to this as I was cleaning and I had to go hug my 8 year old son so hard.
I'm watching this late at night, and I had to go into my little girl's room to give her a hug as well. This was a sad sad case.
I can't imagine how devastating this has been for their older brother...