I never got that Bateman was actually passionate about music, but he read and memorized music reviews to sound like he had an opinion, and he bought and listened to whatever was "in" at the time. Sort of like how he and his peers were repeating talking points about bettering society when they'd never actually do anything to help anyone "lower" than them. It's the absurdity of how much time and effort he puts into seeming normal rather than actually enjoying the things he pretends to.
Good point. Expanding on that... Of course this is very much a matter of taste, but consider the artists he is listening to. Patrick Bateman is elevating a certain kind of music that is actually quite ordinary. Music that is designed to appeal to everyone and give no offense at all. In other words, music without any real identity of its own. "Is this a song by Huey Lewis or by Phil Collins?" They are interchangeable, really, much as many characters can't remember the next's name. Patrick Bateman wears his designer labels and assigns them great import, even though they are essentially meaningless when it comes to defining one's ethics and character. He listens to "designer" music in the same way. It wouldn't do for Patrick Bateman to listen to an artist with true individual spark and creativity. He wouldn't listen to, say, The Sex Pistols.
@@dr.burtgummerfan439 well that's probably because he's reading it verbatim from a commercial. We know he does that already because his monologue about Whitney Houston is literally from the back of her album.
You can see Dasha sussing it towards the end. It's so, so fun going back through the movie and noticing all the deliberate, weird moments that just don't line up. It's perfect how so many aspects of the movie mirror and represent Patrick's potentially fragmented psyche.
it's one of the best examples of someone having a psychotic break i've ever seen in a movie, all the more so because harron never obviously tells you "this isn't real." (well until he blows up the cop car.)
@@jessharvell1022 it's like "Fight Club" ... the fact that you don't know "Where the line (between reality and our inner hero) is" keeps us in suspense.
@@jessharvell1022 Yeah, it's insane to me how 2 of the most eerie, unsettling or just downright frightening moments to me, aren't ones where anything explicit or severe is happening, but perfectly allude to, at the absolute least, his insanity or aggressive apathy. 1) When Bateman is told to leave by the realtor. 2) When Jean finds his horrific sketches. They're such normal settings and that's kind of the magic as to why they're so effective. Take with Jean: It's a really upsetting moment that brilliantly brings you back to the reality of how gut-wrenching it would be if the horrendous the events of the movie were indeed true. And even if they weren't, it's still an awful thought that a sweet, normal woman who day in, day out endures this atmosphere of vapid selfishness, greed and callousness only to one day stumble on intensely disturbing and graphic sketches of extreme violence and debauchery, drawn by a man she is shown hoping was at least something resembling normal, only to realise he might be the worst of it all.
@@J1283-s1k yeah the sketches are one of the most brutal scenes for me because if it * is * all imagined this is still horribly traumatizing for this one woman. i mean imagine finding out that your boss - especially with an already huge power imbalance because it's the 80s, you're a woman, and he's a wall street scumbag - secretly fantasizes about slaughtering women all day. how do you even explain that to people in a way that might help? best case scenario you can just quit the job immediately, but even then you're going to carry that around forever.
@@jessharvell1022 Yeah, absolutely. Only watched it again earlier and noticed how sexually violent so much of it is. It definitely put it into perspective as well watching poor Dasha have to sit through the earlier 'there are no good looking women with good personalities' scene. I think it's so powerful because either way, whether he was truly a psychopathic killer or just deeply, deeply disturbed, there's still some kind of ramification, some kind of awful realisation made for poor, normal Jean, who up to that point had been unaware that Bateman might have already only just resisted hitting her with a nail gun. Fantastic movie, so, so open to interpretation and all leave you with a dry mouth lol.
There are some great little moments of humor in this movie, which is a comedy but seems to hide it pretty well from a lot of people. One of my favorite moments is Bale's delivery of "I've assessed the situation, and I'm leaving" in the context of the scene
Always wondered how the reaction would be from someone who was: 1) From a different country. And 2) Too young to remember the "YUPPY 80's". This movie is a complete social commentary on how the "superficial 80's yuppy carried about outward appearances more than personal substance" being quite literally a "socially created sociopath" that couldn't show the difference between being a "homicidal sociopath". Basically, that society's greed turned so many people into "sociopaths" that they 1) Couldn't see it in each other, 2) See it in themselves, or 3) Figure out that it was going on around them all the time. Because as long as they were "able to keep up appearances", they would be "accepted as normal". Right up until the actual "homicidal part" was exposed, at which point these "socially created sociopaths" all reacted the same way because they were shocked that they could be "fooled", despite PROMOTING the same behavior of "keeping up appearances" that "fooled them" all along.
I really like the scene with the old lady in Paul Allen's emptied apartment. The way she goes from "are you here to see the place?" to "please leave or I'll call the police" with just zero human emotion. I don't know the thematics but I love it.
The clue to "did he or didn't he" is actually found in his call to the lawyer. Listen carefully to what he "confesses" to. Notice how the numbers keep jumping upward? It indicates that he killed SOME of them, but not ALL of them. He THOUGHT about and WANTED to kill them all, but was only able to kill a few of them from time to time. Most of them were simply 'thoughts'. That is why he first said he killed only 5 homeless people, then instantly jumped it up to 10. Confessed to killing around 20, then jumped that up to around 40. The thing is, we weren't told a "story". We were told his 'thoughts'. So, as a viewer, we get to see what his thoughts are, again indicated by the number of methods of killing her in the apartment that never happened with the nail gun. He is going through his mind the many ways he COULD HAVE killed her, but he didn't. We got a story told of his thoughts played out, to some degree, while sprinkling it with the 'truth' overall. Yes, it is a complicated movie to fully understand, especially on your first time watching it because you can read into it that he DID kill them, as well as read into it that he DIDN'T kill them. That is why you really need to see this type of movie multiple times to pick up on the small stuff you might have missed the first time around because when you know the ending, some scenes actually come across a lot different than when you have no clue how the ending happens.
Perhaps. I'm not sure how much we can definitively say happened one way or another in a movie with a clearly unreliable narrator. Personally I think that Bateman is such a pathetic scumbag deep down, that he's too much of a coward to actually kill anyone. I think he's a little man with big delusions of his own importance. The best he can manage is to daydream about having the ultimate power of life and death over others. And honestly, I don't think he's smart enough to get away with *any* of the murders he did or imagined himself doing. I think it's all a sick daydream. Again, that's just my impression. It's a movie very open to a lot of different ideas as to what's happening.
I always thought, at least when it came to pauls death that he really did die, and batemans lawyer was co confusing some other guy for paul since they kind of played on that multiple times, how people kept mistaking others because they all are just suits.
IMO everything was in his head. At least the book supports this. The ending of the movie was changed to be a more did he did he not answer, but if he killed someone in the movie it had to be that one hobo and no one else. Everything else was in his imagination.
@@mokane86 Or since batemans father rich and practically owns the company, they lawyer could tell batemans father for more money to protect to give an alibi to patrick
@@mokane86its exactly that! it's expanded on more in the books, but Patrick and Paul look like every other Wall Street dude. That's why he gets confused for Paul and other people so often. It's very true to life lol, all these yuppies look the same
Prepare for a lot of comments saying that Willem Defoe filmed the interrogation scene in 3 different ways where he thought Bale was innocent/guilty/didn't know. Also get ready for a lot of "let's see Paul Allen's..." memes.
@@JTidiotboy That's nothing, but did you know Viggo Mortensen BROKE his TOE when he kicked that helmet in The Two Towers?!?!?!!!?!11!?!?!?1!!???!!!!11?!?!
When Bale was asked what he thought of the script while the filmmakers were casting, he said he thought it was very funny. Upon hearing this, they hired him. The film is supposed to be a dark comedy about the materialistic and cocaine fueled 80's. In the book it is pretty clear he DID kill people. The movie purposely made it more ambiguous.
Are you sure? I haven't read the book since it first came out, before the movie was ever green lit. (It's been a long time!) There are some very graphic details I can remember like I read them yesterday. EXTREME overkill, not for the squeamish. It seems at least possible that the extraordinarily over-the-top exaggeration, the fantastical thoughts of a psychotic person. And the book is told in the first person, and Bateman is (in all likelihood) an unreliable narrator. But as I say, it's been 20+ years since I read the book, I may need to pick it up again. As for he movie being a satire of 1980s excess, absolutely! The book is even clearer about designer labels, the "right" restaurant to go to, and so on. These surface details are shown for their dehumanizing effect, where identity and character are replaced by expensive, designer-everything.
@@jdm1066 it means that in the film you are not sure if he actually committed all the murders. He goes back to Paul Allen's apartment and finds that it is totally cleaned up with no evidence anything happened there. Did the agent clean everything up just so she could close the sale? When Patrick fires a gun at the cop car it blows up. Pretty unlikely that would happen in real life. He even looks at his gun in disbelief. Also quite unbelievable that he would hit Christie the hooker directly in the back with the chainsaw. Was it just a fantasy? He was drawing it on the paper at the restaurant with his fiance at the break-up scene. His lawyer even said he had dinner with Paul in London. So either he is mistaken or Patrick is lying.
31:42 - Christian Bale actually base this performance on the public persona Tom Cruise, citing an 'intense friendliness with nothing behind it' Anyway the point of the film isn't so much that Patrick Bateman is this inhuman psychopath who masks it in order to 'fit in', rather pretty much does fit in, in fact he's the only person who thinks there's anything abnormal about himself, when he comes clean about his lifestyle people see it as normal as as part of their world ('mergers and acquisitions') - so what does that say about the society he exists in? That's what the film's about, nevermind who he 'really' killed or didn't kill
I think the point of the movie is to leave it an open question about whether or not he killed those people or if he was just imagining it all. The audience watched some of the murders, so to us it's real, just like it is in his head. The secretary is looking at his sketches at the end, so maybe it was all just fantasy... in the end it's up to the viewer.
This movie is based on an infamous novel by Bret Easton Ellis, which made it very clear Bateman killed them all, most of them more gruesomely than depicted in the film.
The director said it was a mistake that it became an open ending, and that it's unfortunate. Bateman did kill those people. It's a very good movie either way.
Everyone has a different interpretation of what is real or not in the movie, from "he imagined all of it" to "it was all completely real" and everything in between. The fact that nobody can entirely agree on the truth is the point. The point is the irrelevance of the truth. This is emphasized even more as they sit around the TV and listen to Reagan address the Iran-Contra affair: "How can he just lie like that?" So whether or not Patrick is just schizophrenic or has actually murdered dozens of people, the most terrifying thing is that...it makes no difference in the end. "This confession has meant nothing." It doesn't matter, and the truth-whatever that is-will have no effect ultimately, because Patrick exists inside a society that is just as sick as he is.
He did commit the murders. The lawyer stating he saw Paul Allen in London was another case of mistaken identity. A common occurrence in this film. The proof was when Patrick goes to the apartment and it's been cleaned out. The realtor disposed of the bodies because having to report what really happened there would be damning to the price of that beautiful apartment. She knew Patrick was a serial killer. That's why she said she didn't want any trouble and for him not to come back. This movie was about showing how cynical, self absorbed, and self serving people can be.
It's an indictment on how easily clinical psychopathy could blend in with the excesses, extravagances and mind numbing superficiality of cutthroat money shuffling in the '80s.
Many CEOs are psychopaths because when you don't give a shit about other people and can easily trample over them it's easy to climb the ladder to that position.
The fact you focused on his skincare routine is perfect. He's obsessed with perfection too. But all that care for his body, what is he as a person. Even he doesn't know. He's just an empty shell.
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 He even told his supposed fiancee that he'll never quit his job, even tho he doesn't need it, because he "wants to fit in".
OMG - y'all are having Dasha watch this... she's one of the most empathetic reactors just based on emotions and she has some of the strongest visceral reactions to visual blood violence... WTH are you gonna ask her to react to Takashi Miike films next?
She handled it better than I thought she would honestly, she did watch Django unchained earlier this week. She said it was worse than some of the horror movies she's seen because a lot of the torment in that film is based on reality. Might have helped her here, who knows😶
Basically Bateman starts losing his mind towards the end. He even says his mask of sanity is about to slip during the movie. I think he did some of the killing but not all. When he blows up the cop cars and starts murdering everyone towards the end, he's clearly lost it. But another point is everyone in the movie is so self absorbed, they wouldn't even notice if a murderer was amongst them.
My take is that it doesn't matter _if_ he killed anyone. No one cares. What Bateman is defeated by is the fact that the system is actually indifferent to his crimes, and no one cares enough to stop him. Everyone's faking and he'll never know truth.
You're not supposed to get everything on the 1st watch. This is a film you need to watch a couple times so don't feel bad. "Which did he kill and which didn't he kill?" Good question. We don't know for sure because Patrick is an unreliable narrator. He killed some but we can't know for sure and how he killed them is also probably not accurate. Like the chainsaw scene is probably exaggerated. You can't really drop a chainsaw one someone from 5 stories and impale them. So it was more likely he strangled them or something then imagined this fantastical execution. Paul Allen is definitely dead. The police are looking for him at his familys request and his condo is being sold. Thatbcant happen unless hes been assumed dead legaly. The realtor covered up the murders to sell the condo. If there were murders the value would plumit and she'd make less money. The condo itself was probably in on it for the same reason.
There is no way to EVER get everything in this movie, Harron has made it clear that she never decided Patrick's guilt or innocence when she made the movie, there is NO definitive answer to ever get to.
There was no screaming in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Patrick imagined the screaming when working out. Also, when sleeping with those two hookers, he says, “Don’t touch the watch.”. In the book he says, “Don’t touch the Rolex.”, but unfortunately due to copyright claims the word wasn’t allowed. Same for the use of Whitney Houston’s Greatest Love of All.
21:35 The perfect reaction to seeing a head in the refrigerator. 😂 This was the first movie I saw of Christian Bale and I still see him as this character. I couldn't see him as Batman when I watched those movies. He's too good as a villain.
I read an amazing fun fact comment on someone else’s reaction that the detective (Willem Dafoe) had all his scenes shot three ways…he thinks Bateman is innocent, he isn’t sure, he knows he is guilty. The different versions were mixed throughout to make Bateman’s state of mind look even more jarring.
Right? It's so amazing how Dafoe goes inquisitive, suspicious, even assuming, squinting as he locks eyes on Patrick with a wry smile: 'Eerie...really eerie' to friendly and permissive with a big toothy grin 'I understand'. I absolutely love how they did it that way.
The director's cut actually makes it clear that he did commit the murders. Many of the specifics are only in his mind. Almost two completely different movies. Great reaction.
@@davidz3879 As you said, ' one of his victims', the characters can't tell each other apart. He spread the story that Paul was in London, someone is mistaken for being Paul, in London.
@@davidz3879 If only they had set him up as mistaking Patrick as someone else in that same scene. I am speaking of this being made clear in the other cut of the movie. The theatrical cut leaves it up for much more interpretation. I saw one cut and thought he, probably, killed no one. I saw the director's cut and it was clear he committed the murders. Get over it.
The only 2 good things that ever happen in a back alley at night: getting through one safely to get home, or finding a nice dog/cat to take in as a lovely pet friend ☺️
0:20-0:22 Dasha, without having seen the movie, does the same shimmy Patrick does when he says “Hip to be Square” during his monologue to Paul Allen. Thought that was funny lol
Looking at the comments giving different interpretations, I think Dasha's is the best.' Twisted as Fck!' Just a beautiful reaction and it's great how Dasha really gets into the film. Brilliant channel. Stay Strong Decent People. Cheer's 🇬🇧
Both amazing and underrated movies. It's weird no one reacts to The Fighter considering that's what Bale won his Oscar for. He also gives an amazing performance in "Out of the Furnace"
Hi Dasha, I can't watch this movie with you because I have not seen it. Since its summertime could we watch " Summer Rental " or " Captain Ron " before winter is upon us?
@14:20 he's watching the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which is one of the best psychological horror movies of all time. No one watches that movie casually while working out, well, I guess unless they are pyscho!
In the opening, between "Hello, guys" and "Today we're going to be watching" in English, I understood "Hello, everyone." and "Welcome" in Russian, but what was the third thing Dasha said in Russian?
Great reactions to this rather violent film, Dasha!!!🎬👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽I think in the end we are meant to think about weather he killed these people or it was his imagination, just as Bateman is unsure himself.
Bateman killing the dog was absolutely traumatizing Just hearing it screaming in pain was enough to haunt my dreams And the worst part is that I can't tell whether the dog died instantly or if it took hours to die out
To answer the ending, yes he killed those people. The fact people ignore/don't realize he's telling the truth is because everyone is so wrapped up in their own world they are willing to turn a blind eye (the woman renting the apartment cleans up the bodies and doesn't say anything because she'd rather get another tenant in there instead of opening an investigation and risk losing potential income from the apartment). The title of the movie not only explains who Bateman is, but the populace around him as a whole.
I'm just about to watch this so before I watch your reaction, I'm watching this :) Have you seen Gran Torino before (with Clint Eastwood)? If not, 100% you should watch and if you dont love it, I will eat my hat LOL
My face routine is soap and aftershave. xD. I think all the scene about face routine is pointing about wearing a mask. His face routine is like a mask of the character he plays the rest of the day.
Bale is one of ... if not the BEST male actor ever.... any role he plays is to an extreme quality.... FORD vs FERRARI showcases that .... as sooooo many other movies ;)))
Don't feel bad for being confused by the end of the movie! Most people feel that way. Just, so you know He did kill all the people that he said that he did or thought that he did and the reason for the confusion is because in New York especially Wallstreet people don't really care about others or even remember people and that was the point. That's why no one would open their doors or call the cops when the girl is running down the hall screaming or being chased by a mad man with a chainsaw and that's what it wanted to show you! They rather stay safe and not get involved in their rooms. His lawyer (and others like him) mixed people up thinking that he had lunch or saw someone when it was really a completely different person
It's come to my attention that Dasha thinks Christian Bale is gorgeous. 🤣. Her reactions are always so entertaining and enjoyable. One of Bale's best performances ever, he puts 100% into every character he plays.
Thanks for doing this movie; it was fascinating watching you try to figure out this movie, both during it and after it! Makes me wish we could sit down (maybe with a nice glass of wine) and re-watch it and then discuss it in detail. Maybe you have some friends that you could do that with? But they'd have to *not* 'freak out' while watching it ... I've heard that a lot of people get up and leave half-way (or 2/3 of the way) through it, as they can't handle it. Partly because it *is* so graphically violent, partly because watching him falling into his psychopathy is *very* disturbing. Also, he *does* have emotions, but they are all focused on *himself* and what he wants/desires. The only time he's interested in what somebody *else* likes/wants is when he's trying to manipulate them into doing what *he* wants. To him, the entire world revolves around him and what he wants/desires; *everything* is about his wants/desires. The above is part of what makes it hard to figure out, at the end, what was real and what was *not!* Because his wants/desires have actually become so all-consuming that they're altering his perceptions/memories. Yes, quite the mind-bender of a movie - as much so as the movie _"Inception"_ is! Thanks again for doing this; sorry that watching it disturbed you so much.
Beautiful view and watch again yiu definitely are the most cutest girl in the world lol 😂 , it's so hot in UK today horrible weather sweating lime crazy I want snow and rain fast 😂❤️
There were moments that did not seem real. For example when the woman is running and Patrick is chasing her with a chainsaw. I tend to think this is PB’s fantasy and none of this happened. It is only in his head. The drawings hint at this. But I do know some disagree with this interpretation.
I never got that Bateman was actually passionate about music, but he read and memorized music reviews to sound like he had an opinion, and he bought and listened to whatever was "in" at the time. Sort of like how he and his peers were repeating talking points about bettering society when they'd never actually do anything to help anyone "lower" than them. It's the absurdity of how much time and effort he puts into seeming normal rather than actually enjoying the things he pretends to.
Yep, just like his commercial-like descriptions of his personal care products.
Good point. Expanding on that... Of course this is very much a matter of taste, but consider the artists he is listening to. Patrick Bateman is elevating a certain kind of music that is actually quite ordinary. Music that is designed to appeal to everyone and give no offense at all. In other words, music without any real identity of its own. "Is this a song by Huey Lewis or by Phil Collins?" They are interchangeable, really, much as many characters can't remember the next's name. Patrick Bateman wears his designer labels and assigns them great import, even though they are essentially meaningless when it comes to defining one's ethics and character. He listens to "designer" music in the same way. It wouldn't do for Patrick Bateman to listen to an artist with true individual spark and creativity. He wouldn't listen to, say, The Sex Pistols.
@@dr.burtgummerfan439 well that's probably because he's reading it verbatim from a commercial. We know he does that already because his monologue about Whitney Houston is literally from the back of her album.
HE WANTS...to fit in.
Agree, all preformative.
The business card scene unironically one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
The source for a lot of memes
Yes. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's comment
@@DAMIENDMILLS "Patrick, you ok? You're sweating" freaking sends me every time. 😆
@@DAMIENDMILLS It even has a watermark
@@DAMIENDMILLS The tasteful thickness...
You can see Dasha sussing it towards the end. It's so, so fun going back through the movie and noticing all the deliberate, weird moments that just don't line up. It's perfect how so many aspects of the movie mirror and represent Patrick's potentially fragmented psyche.
it's one of the best examples of someone having a psychotic break i've ever seen in a movie, all the more so because harron never obviously tells you "this isn't real." (well until he blows up the cop car.)
@@jessharvell1022 it's like "Fight Club" ... the fact that you don't know "Where the line (between reality and our inner hero) is" keeps us in suspense.
@@jessharvell1022 Yeah, it's insane to me how 2 of the most eerie, unsettling or just downright frightening moments to me, aren't ones where anything explicit or severe is happening, but perfectly allude to, at the absolute least, his insanity or aggressive apathy.
1) When Bateman is told to leave by the realtor.
2) When Jean finds his horrific sketches.
They're such normal settings and that's kind of the magic as to why they're so effective. Take with Jean: It's a really upsetting moment that brilliantly brings you back to the reality of how gut-wrenching it would be if the horrendous the events of the movie were indeed true. And even if they weren't, it's still an awful thought that a sweet, normal woman who day in, day out endures this atmosphere of vapid selfishness, greed and callousness only to one day stumble on intensely disturbing and graphic sketches of extreme violence and debauchery, drawn by a man she is shown hoping was at least something resembling normal, only to realise he might be the worst of it all.
@@J1283-s1k yeah the sketches are one of the most brutal scenes for me because if it * is * all imagined this is still horribly traumatizing for this one woman. i mean imagine finding out that your boss - especially with an already huge power imbalance because it's the 80s, you're a woman, and he's a wall street scumbag - secretly fantasizes about slaughtering women all day. how do you even explain that to people in a way that might help? best case scenario you can just quit the job immediately, but even then you're going to carry that around forever.
@@jessharvell1022 Yeah, absolutely. Only watched it again earlier and noticed how sexually violent so much of it is. It definitely put it into perspective as well watching poor Dasha have to sit through the earlier 'there are no good looking women with good personalities' scene. I think it's so powerful because either way, whether he was truly a psychopathic killer or just deeply, deeply disturbed, there's still some kind of ramification, some kind of awful realisation made for poor, normal Jean, who up to that point had been unaware that Bateman might have already only just resisted hitting her with a nail gun. Fantastic movie, so, so open to interpretation and all leave you with a dry mouth lol.
There are some great little moments of humor in this movie, which is a comedy but seems to hide it pretty well from a lot of people. One of my favorite moments is Bale's delivery of "I've assessed the situation, and I'm leaving" in the context of the scene
When he does a full circle in the revolving door to shoot the custodian guy coming out of the elevator is one of my favorite cinema goofy kills. 😆
@@mokane86 That's another example, I was wondering if she'd laugh at that moment
Always wondered how the reaction would be from someone who was:
1) From a different country. And 2) Too young to remember the "YUPPY 80's".
This movie is a complete social commentary on how the "superficial 80's yuppy carried about outward appearances more than personal substance" being quite literally a "socially created sociopath" that couldn't show the difference between being a "homicidal sociopath".
Basically, that society's greed turned so many people into "sociopaths" that they 1) Couldn't see it in each other, 2) See it in themselves, or 3) Figure out that it was going on around them all the time. Because as long as they were "able to keep up appearances", they would be "accepted as normal". Right up until the actual "homicidal part" was exposed, at which point these "socially created sociopaths" all reacted the same way because they were shocked that they could be "fooled", despite PROMOTING the same behavior of "keeping up appearances" that "fooled them" all along.
Those "yuppies" still exist today. Look at Donald Trump's children.
I really like the scene with the old lady in Paul Allen's emptied apartment. The way she goes from "are you here to see the place?" to "please leave or I'll call the police" with just zero human emotion. I don't know the thematics but I love it.
The clue to "did he or didn't he" is actually found in his call to the lawyer.
Listen carefully to what he "confesses" to. Notice how the numbers keep jumping upward? It indicates that he killed SOME of them, but not ALL of them. He THOUGHT about and WANTED to kill them all, but was only able to kill a few of them from time to time. Most of them were simply 'thoughts'. That is why he first said he killed only 5 homeless people, then instantly jumped it up to 10. Confessed to killing around 20, then jumped that up to around 40.
The thing is, we weren't told a "story". We were told his 'thoughts'. So, as a viewer, we get to see what his thoughts are, again indicated by the number of methods of killing her in the apartment that never happened with the nail gun. He is going through his mind the many ways he COULD HAVE killed her, but he didn't. We got a story told of his thoughts played out, to some degree, while sprinkling it with the 'truth' overall.
Yes, it is a complicated movie to fully understand, especially on your first time watching it because you can read into it that he DID kill them, as well as read into it that he DIDN'T kill them. That is why you really need to see this type of movie multiple times to pick up on the small stuff you might have missed the first time around because when you know the ending, some scenes actually come across a lot different than when you have no clue how the ending happens.
its really not important what he was saying.it all could be wrong
Perhaps. I'm not sure how much we can definitively say happened one way or another in a movie with a clearly unreliable narrator. Personally I think that Bateman is such a pathetic scumbag deep down, that he's too much of a coward to actually kill anyone. I think he's a little man with big delusions of his own importance. The best he can manage is to daydream about having the ultimate power of life and death over others. And honestly, I don't think he's smart enough to get away with *any* of the murders he did or imagined himself doing. I think it's all a sick daydream.
Again, that's just my impression. It's a movie very open to a lot of different ideas as to what's happening.
I always thought, at least when it came to pauls death that he really did die, and batemans lawyer was co confusing some other guy for paul since they kind of played on that multiple times, how people kept mistaking others because they all are just suits.
IMO everything was in his head. At least the book supports this. The ending of the movie was changed to be a more did he did he not answer, but if he killed someone in the movie it had to be that one hobo and no one else. Everything else was in his imagination.
"Notice how the numbers keep jumping upward? It indicates that he killed SOME of them, but not ALL of them. " says who?
That face you made at the end when you found out Paul Allen was still alive was hilarious
It's totally plausible that the lawyer was also confused on who exactly Paul Allen was, and had a case of mistaken identity then as well.
@@mokane86 Yep, Mistaken Identity or Identity, is even more of an important theme in the book.
@@mokane86 Or since batemans father rich and practically owns the company, they lawyer could tell batemans father for more money to protect to give an alibi to patrick
@@mokane86its exactly that! it's expanded on more in the books, but Patrick and Paul look like every other Wall Street dude. That's why he gets confused for Paul and other people so often. It's very true to life lol, all these yuppies look the same
Him killing Paul always makes me laugh 😂😂
"Hey, Paul?!"
"You fucking. . bastard! Getting into Dorcia!" is a mood
Love how when he’s killing him, the line:
“You might think I’m crazy, but I don’t even care.”
from Hip to be Square is playing in the background.
This movie makes you look at your neighbors with slight unease.
Prepare for a lot of comments saying that Willem Defoe filmed the interrogation scene in 3 different ways where he thought Bale was innocent/guilty/didn't know. Also get ready for a lot of "let's see Paul Allen's..." memes.
Did you know Leonardo DiCaprio actually cut his hand when he smashed the glass in Django Unchained?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!
@@JTidiotboy That's nothing, but did you know Viggo Mortensen BROKE his TOE when he kicked that helmet in The Two Towers?!?!?!!!?!11!?!?!?1!!???!!!!11?!?!
This movie is absolutely hilarious! Endlessly quotable.
When Bale was asked what he thought of the script while the filmmakers were casting, he said he thought it was very funny. Upon hearing this, they hired him. The film is supposed to be a dark comedy about the materialistic and cocaine fueled 80's. In the book it is pretty clear he DID kill people. The movie purposely made it more ambiguous.
Are you sure? I haven't read the book since it first came out, before the movie was ever green lit. (It's been a long time!) There are some very graphic details I can remember like I read them yesterday. EXTREME overkill, not for the squeamish. It seems at least possible that the extraordinarily over-the-top exaggeration, the fantastical thoughts of a psychotic person. And the book is told in the first person, and Bateman is (in all likelihood) an unreliable narrator. But as I say, it's been 20+ years since I read the book, I may need to pick it up again. As for he movie being a satire of 1980s excess, absolutely! The book is even clearer about designer labels, the "right" restaurant to go to, and so on. These surface details are shown for their dehumanizing effect, where identity and character are replaced by expensive, designer-everything.
Ambiguous...What is that supposed to mean?
@@jdm1066 it means that in the film you are not sure if he actually committed all the murders. He goes back to Paul Allen's apartment and finds that it is totally cleaned up with no evidence anything happened there. Did the agent clean everything up just so she could close the sale? When Patrick fires a gun at the cop car it blows up. Pretty unlikely that would happen in real life. He even looks at his gun in disbelief. Also quite unbelievable that he would hit Christie the hooker directly in the back with the chainsaw. Was it just a fantasy? He was drawing it on the paper at the restaurant with his fiance at the break-up scene. His lawyer even said he had dinner with Paul in London. So either he is mistaken or Patrick is lying.
I too am dead inside, which is why I have to keep my humanity alive with the tears and pain of the reacters. 😉
31:42 - Christian Bale actually base this performance on the public persona Tom Cruise, citing an 'intense friendliness with nothing behind it'
Anyway the point of the film isn't so much that Patrick Bateman is this inhuman psychopath who masks it in order to 'fit in', rather pretty much does fit in, in fact he's the only person who thinks there's anything abnormal about himself, when he comes clean about his lifestyle people see it as normal as as part of their world ('mergers and acquisitions') - so what does that say about the society he exists in? That's what the film's about, nevermind who he 'really' killed or didn't kill
I think the point of the movie is to leave it an open question about whether or not he killed those people or if he was just imagining it all. The audience watched some of the murders, so to us it's real, just like it is in his head. The secretary is looking at his sketches at the end, so maybe it was all just fantasy... in the end it's up to the viewer.
I agree, Also I think that Patrick wouldn't leave evidence in his office. I shows a clear point where he really started to lose it.
This movie is based on an infamous novel by Bret Easton Ellis, which made it very clear Bateman killed them all, most of them more gruesomely than depicted in the film.
The director said it was a mistake that it became an open ending, and that it's unfortunate. Bateman did kill those people. It's a very good movie either way.
24:59 The auburn-haired lady on the phone is Guinevere Turner, who co-wrote the screenplay.
He was watching the 1974 horror movie The Texas Chainsaw Massacre while working out. Which you should watch & react to, it's almost Halloween 😉🙂
But she doesn't like the sight of blood, JM.
so many WTF's from you! 😂 Such a great reaction
Everyone has a different interpretation of what is real or not in the movie, from "he imagined all of it" to "it was all completely real" and everything in between. The fact that nobody can entirely agree on the truth is the point. The point is the irrelevance of the truth. This is emphasized even more as they sit around the TV and listen to Reagan address the Iran-Contra affair: "How can he just lie like that?"
So whether or not Patrick is just schizophrenic or has actually murdered dozens of people, the most terrifying thing is that...it makes no difference in the end. "This confession has meant nothing." It doesn't matter, and the truth-whatever that is-will have no effect ultimately, because Patrick exists inside a society that is just as sick as he is.
He did commit the murders. The lawyer stating he saw Paul Allen in London was another case of mistaken identity. A common occurrence in this film. The proof was when Patrick goes to the apartment and it's been cleaned out. The realtor disposed of the bodies because having to report what really happened there would be damning to the price of that beautiful apartment. She knew Patrick was a serial killer. That's why she said she didn't want any trouble and for him not to come back. This movie was about showing how cynical, self absorbed, and self serving people can be.
It's an indictment on how easily clinical psychopathy could blend in with the excesses, extravagances and mind numbing superficiality of cutthroat money shuffling in the '80s.
Many CEOs are psychopaths because when you don't give a shit about other people and can easily trample over them it's easy to climb the ladder to that position.
3:50 ...."I need to upgrade my face routine".....Now, that's a topic we are going to disagree on.... .
The fact you focused on his skincare routine is perfect. He's obsessed with perfection too. But all that care for his body, what is he as a person. Even he doesn't know. He's just an empty shell.
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 He even told his supposed fiancee that he'll never quit his job, even tho he doesn't need it, because he "wants to fit in".
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 They all probably only get paid because they know someone there
What you said about him being different from outside to inside was a great explanation 👌
"This movie puts me in a party mood" ha..hahaha...AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
OMG - y'all are having Dasha watch this... she's one of the most empathetic reactors just based on emotions and she has some of the strongest visceral reactions to visual blood violence... WTH are you gonna ask her to react to Takashi Miike films next?
Audition lol
She handled it better than I thought she would honestly, she did watch Django unchained earlier this week. She said it was worse than some of the horror movies she's seen because a lot of the torment in that film is based on reality. Might have helped her here, who knows😶
Well we're not suggesting Salo or A Serbian Film.
At least it's not The Room.
Casino - as a followup to Goodfellas
Basically Bateman starts losing his mind towards the end. He even says his mask of sanity is about to slip during the movie. I think he did some of the killing but not all. When he blows up the cop cars and starts murdering everyone towards the end, he's clearly lost it. But another point is everyone in the movie is so self absorbed, they wouldn't even notice if a murderer was amongst them.
My take is that it doesn't matter _if_ he killed anyone. No one cares.
What Bateman is defeated by is the fact that the system is actually indifferent to his crimes, and no one cares enough to stop him. Everyone's faking and he'll never know truth.
The walk/don’t walk signs were used in the US a long time ago, we’ve switched to universal images of walking 🚶♀️ and stopping ✋🏻.
You're not supposed to get everything on the 1st watch. This is a film you need to watch a couple times so don't feel bad. "Which did he kill and which didn't he kill?" Good question. We don't know for sure because Patrick is an unreliable narrator. He killed some but we can't know for sure and how he killed them is also probably not accurate. Like the chainsaw scene is probably exaggerated. You can't really drop a chainsaw one someone from 5 stories and impale them. So it was more likely he strangled them or something then imagined this fantastical execution. Paul Allen is definitely dead. The police are looking for him at his familys request and his condo is being sold. Thatbcant happen unless hes been assumed dead legaly. The realtor covered up the murders to sell the condo. If there were murders the value would plumit and she'd make less money. The condo itself was probably in on it for the same reason.
There is no way to EVER get everything in this movie, Harron has made it clear that she never decided Patrick's guilt or innocence when she made the movie, there is NO definitive answer to ever get to.
I was about start watching this but then i just remembered I have to go return some video tapes.
There was no screaming in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Patrick imagined the screaming when working out.
Also, when sleeping with those two hookers, he says, “Don’t touch the watch.”. In the book he says, “Don’t touch the Rolex.”, but unfortunately due to copyright claims the word wasn’t allowed. Same for the use of Whitney Houston’s Greatest Love of All.
lmao your reactions in this are amazing!
You also have to keep in mind throughout that Patrick Bateman is truly!!!!! an unreliable narrator.
Right, he says their his thoughts/confession, but we lie to ourselves all the time.
Потрясающая реакция Даша!!! Было бы интересно подробно обсудить этот фильм!!!
Барри!!!!
9:13 The moment Dasha realizes Patrick is an American Psycho.
Hilarious great reactions D… love ur suit
I wanted to leave a deeply thought provoking comment, but I have to return some video tapes.
21:35 The perfect reaction to seeing a head in the refrigerator. 😂
This was the first movie I saw of Christian Bale and I still see him as this character. I couldn't see him as Batman when I watched those movies. He's too good as a villain.
You can see him as Bateman but not Batman.
@@johnellizz "Who are you?" (turns up the Huey Lewis) "... I'm Bateman"
Drives away in the Batemobile (what he calls whatever limo he's in)
@@Billinois78 😂😂😂
I read an amazing fun fact comment on someone else’s reaction that the detective (Willem Dafoe) had all his scenes shot three ways…he thinks Bateman is innocent, he isn’t sure, he knows he is guilty. The different versions were mixed throughout to make Bateman’s state of mind look even more jarring.
Right? It's so amazing how Dafoe goes inquisitive, suspicious, even assuming, squinting as he locks eyes on Patrick with a wry smile: 'Eerie...really eerie' to friendly and permissive with a big toothy grin 'I understand'. I absolutely love how they did it that way.
That's brilliant.
Is this true?! Wow, that's amazing.
The director's cut actually makes it clear that he did commit the murders. Many of the specifics are only in his mind. Almost two completely different movies. Great reaction.
@@davidz3879 As you said, ' one of his victims', the characters can't tell each other apart. He spread the story that Paul was in London, someone is mistaken for being Paul, in London.
@@davidz3879 If only they had set him up as mistaking Patrick as someone else in that same scene. I am speaking of this being made clear in the other cut of the movie. The theatrical cut leaves it up for much more interpretation. I saw one cut and thought he, probably, killed no one. I saw the director's cut and it was clear he committed the murders. Get over it.
The only 2 good things that ever happen in a back alley at night: getting through one safely to get home, or finding a nice dog/cat to take in as a lovely pet friend ☺️
0:20-0:22
Dasha, without having seen the movie, does the same shimmy Patrick does when he says “Hip to be Square” during his monologue to Paul Allen. Thought that was funny lol
That chainsaw drop was the reason why he was casted as Batman lol
Looking at the comments giving different interpretations, I think Dasha's is the best.' Twisted as Fck!' Just a beautiful reaction and it's great how Dasha really gets into the film. Brilliant channel. Stay Strong Decent People. Cheer's 🇬🇧
Weird Al Yankovic did a really funny skit with Huey Lewis based on this movie., Very funny!
ruclips.net/video/Fk15H6PjBis/видео.html
While Christian Bale is absolutely perfect in this film part of me wants to see the originally casted version with Leo DiCaprio
Bale even based his performance on Tom Cruise, which is ironic, because in the book Tom Cruise is Patrick Bateman’s neighbor.
it takes a few watches but this becomes one of the funniest movies ever.
Two Christian Bale movies I'd love to see someone react to are "Rescue Dawn" and "The Fighter."
Both amazing and underrated movies. It's weird no one reacts to The Fighter considering that's what Bale won his Oscar for. He also gives an amazing performance in "Out of the Furnace"
The Fighter is underrated af. But I get why it's underrated
I'd leave a comment,... but i have to return some video tapes.
Hi Dasha, I can't watch this movie with you because I have not seen it. Since its summertime could we watch " Summer Rental " or " Captain Ron " before winter is upon us?
I went to High school with Josh Lucas,Batemans friend, it's always so weird seeing him in movies lived about 5 mins away.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre next then...something light after this one :p
@14:20 he's watching the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which is one of the best psychological horror movies of all time. No one watches that movie casually while working out, well, I guess unless they are pyscho!
Great reaction n you look absolutely amazing, can I get your autograph.💯🌹😯😯
In the opening, between "Hello, guys" and "Today we're going to be watching" in English, I understood "Hello, everyone." and "Welcome" in Russian, but what was the third thing Dasha said in Russian?
The third thing she said was Здравствуйте (strasvutsia), which is a more formal way of saying hello in Russian.
@@FadeintotheShadows Thank you!
Great reactions to this rather violent film, Dasha!!!🎬👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽I think in the end we are meant to think about weather he killed these people or it was his imagination, just as Bateman is unsure himself.
He didn't kill them and the detective was not a real person. This movie is the twin film to _A Beautiful Mind._
Don't just stare at it. Eat it.
Leonardo DiCaprio was going to play Patrick Bateman, but after seeing Christian Bale in this role, I can’t see anyone else as the character.
All lights in New York said walk/dont walk until about 10 years ago.
Bateman killing the dog was absolutely traumatizing
Just hearing it screaming in pain was enough to haunt my dreams
And the worst part is that I can't tell whether the dog died instantly or if it took hours to die out
We need a John Wick American Psycho crossover.
The bad part is, that part is about ten times worse in the book.
Bateman kills a lot of dogs in the book, actually 😒
@@majimasmajimemes1156 Everything is about ten times worse in the book.😁 The urinal cake, and of course the hamster.
Yeah, dog deaths really don't sit well with me. You can kill as many people in a movie as you want, but dogs or cats just hit me where I live.
"I'll need surgery after last time" is more fucked than any animal cruelty. At least the dog died the first time.
I can also do 1000 crunches. I spread them out over the entire year, I must take frequent breaks to return video tapes.
Love your laugh and accent 🥰
To answer the ending, yes he killed those people. The fact people ignore/don't realize he's telling the truth is because everyone is so wrapped up in their own world they are willing to turn a blind eye (the woman renting the apartment cleans up the bodies and doesn't say anything because she'd rather get another tenant in there instead of opening an investigation and risk losing potential income from the apartment). The title of the movie not only explains who Bateman is, but the populace around him as a whole.
Let's see Paul Allen's reaction..
I'm just about to watch this so before I watch your reaction, I'm watching this :)
Have you seen Gran Torino before (with Clint Eastwood)? If not, 100% you should watch and if you dont love it, I will eat my hat LOL
Thank you one of my favourite thriller roles
"I think she deserves a raise".
Hey.... That wasn't Spies Like Us!
At this point you should see "The Rules of Attraction" starring Sean Bateman, brother of Patrick.
What makes this movie great is that you're left wondering just how much did Bateman actually do & how much was just in his head.
I take this movie literally, as is. I lived through the eighties and can totally buy into him actually killing all of the people.
Also, this isn't a reflectionary movie. The writer, Ellis, wrote it during the time.
If looks could kill, cool reaction as always Dasha, take care and have a nice day sweetie 🥰
I LOVE this movie and i love seeing reactions..
My face routine is soap and aftershave. xD. I think all the scene about face routine is pointing about wearing a mask. His face routine is like a mask of the character he plays the rest of the day.
DASHA you should watch 1960 psycho
hi another good christian bale movie is " equilibrium" . its an ultimate gun-fu ( kung-fu with guns) movie
You should react to "drive" by ryan gosling is amazing
Absolutely, Bryan Cranston and Albert Brooks were amazing in it.
Where did he get the gun from, she asks...
...the title of the movie is 'American' Psycho. 😅
Slavic accents are so cool
Bale is one of ... if not the BEST male actor ever.... any role he plays is to an extreme quality.... FORD vs FERRARI showcases that .... as sooooo many other movies ;)))
Man I love her accent haha
"Can we talk" is almost as bad as "We need to talk", which means "I never want to see you again"
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's reaction.
Nice thumbnail. I like a girl with her own axe!
Don't feel bad for being confused by the end of the movie! Most people feel that way. Just, so you know He did kill all the people that he said that he did or thought that he did and the reason for the confusion is because in New York especially Wallstreet people don't really care about others or even remember people and that was the point. That's why no one would open their doors or call the cops when the girl is running down the hall screaming or being chased by a mad man with a chainsaw and that's what it wanted to show you! They rather stay safe and not get involved in their rooms. His lawyer (and others like him) mixed people up thinking that he had lunch or saw someone when it was really a completely different person
Still unbelievable the Christian Bale was just my age 25
If you like Christian Bale, watch Empire of the Sun. First major role and its in a Spielberg movie.
It's come to my attention that Dasha thinks Christian Bale is gorgeous. 🤣. Her reactions are always so entertaining and enjoyable. One of Bale's best performances ever, he puts 100% into every character he plays.
Love the rolling of your R's. It's cute.
One movie I could not watch without almost chucking
Thanks for doing this movie; it was fascinating watching you try to figure out this movie, both during it and after it! Makes me wish we could sit down (maybe with a nice glass of wine) and re-watch it and then discuss it in detail. Maybe you have some friends that you could do that with? But they'd have to *not* 'freak out' while watching it ... I've heard that a lot of people get up and leave half-way (or 2/3 of the way) through it, as they can't handle it. Partly because it *is* so graphically violent, partly because watching him falling into his psychopathy is *very* disturbing.
Also, he *does* have emotions, but they are all focused on *himself* and what he wants/desires. The only time he's interested in what somebody *else* likes/wants is when he's trying to manipulate them into doing what *he* wants. To him, the entire world revolves around him and what he wants/desires; *everything* is about his wants/desires.
The above is part of what makes it hard to figure out, at the end, what was real and what was *not!* Because his wants/desires have actually become so all-consuming that they're altering his perceptions/memories.
Yes, quite the mind-bender of a movie - as much so as the movie _"Inception"_ is!
Thanks again for doing this; sorry that watching it disturbed you so much.
Beautiful view and watch again yiu definitely are the most cutest girl in the world lol 😂 , it's so hot in UK today horrible weather sweating lime crazy I want snow and rain fast 😂❤️
The movie has so many funny moments
"What's that?"
It's dutc tape.... I need it for..... taping something
Nobody heard the girl screaming bc no one else lived there
Your reaction to them talking about females not having good personality’s was hilarious
Impressive, very nice.
You should watch the movie called ( Big ) with Tom Hanks its a really good movie.
There were moments that did not seem real. For example when the woman is running and Patrick is chasing her with a chainsaw. I tend to think this is PB’s fantasy and none of this happened. It is only in his head. The drawings hint at this. But I do know some disagree with this interpretation.