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He is a MUST PULL for you IF… (C0 Zhongli Guide & Review)
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- One of the most contentious characters in genshin with ratings from SS+ to barely over B, how good is zhongli and should you get him for your account? if you do, how do you build him right?
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0:00 Introduction
1:19 Pros & Cons
6:10 Teams
15:09 Build Guide
21:47 Vs Others
23:49 Future Prospects, Overworld
Zhongli is fantastic. As someone who has reduced hand eye coordination due to a medical condition, Zhongli made Genshin far more fun for me. I love my shielders! Don't let anyone tell you that you shouldn't pull a character, especially for meta reasons. Damage loss? You do even less damage when you're dead. LOL
On Point
Oof, reminds me of those people that say "jUsT dOdGe" when they don't realize that not everyone has the same reflexes they do for whatever reason (are as abled as they are) and to insult people that use shields because "they are cope".
Anyway, I'm glad you like your Zhongli and he's helped you have fun with the game for you, that's what it's about~
@@Diamond1234well I don’t have zhongli so I dodge or just use healers,I mean like…why not?😂
@@Diamond1234💀
Yep brother I’m 44 and playing on my phone. I’m not a great dodger so Zhongli helps a lot and I just think he’s cool and burst is coolest in game
I don't need any shielder, but I'll pull for Zhongli's personality and I'll turn him into a dps.
Meh
i smell a genshin enjoyer
i smell a meta slave@@kaustubhdarade
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If you pull Zhong… you never go wrong. There will be a moment in your ghenshin experience when you just want comfort. I think there is no account that regrets to have Geo daddy in the roster.
johnlee is the last fellow i need on my usd 5 genshin account.
Another consideration for Zhongli is that his buffs are useful for basically every character that isn't a freeze carry, and he ends up being the best flex slot for most new characters with unconventional kits. Neuvillette for example is going to be one of the best characters in the game, and he doesn't have a better flex slot than Zhongli right now. That will continue being the case going forward with other characters.
The main reason I'm going to pull for him is because I suck at dodging and I like his voice
I guess the latter is the better reason
you miss the part about osmanthus wine
Can relate
I am bad at dodging. Before I got Zhongli, I was flying left and right, it was awful.
I'm great at dodging, but it's still a DPS loss for many characters. Also, at least for my teams, it is a much faster rotation just to use Zhongli's shield and pick up a crystal for (-20%/+35%) compared to swirling each element, which takes at least 4-8 more seconds, for (-40%/+37.5). Add to that the time not spent dodging during the DPS window and setup rotation and the actual DPS ends up higher. Although a team like Yelan/Bennett/Jean/Yoimiya is more fun to play because of the speed and dodging, Zhongli/Yelan/Bennett/Yoimiya always finishes faster (meaning higher actual DPS).
Genshin really does not reward mechanical skill, compared to a game like Honkai where parrying and dodging were mandatory for maximum DPS. I think that's on purpose though so there's not a huge gap between mechanically skilled players and others. For the most part, most teams are "shielded" by the invincibility frames of their burst since that's 95% of their on-field time anyway.
- I would say you NEED him if you like charged-bow shot users - Ganyu, Tighnari, Lyney, Amber. It takes too long to aim and charge in a lot of cases and Zhongli eliminates that problem.
- If you're doing mono-geo, you NEED him.
- He's also clutch for Yoimiya and Xiao and Hu Tao teams. Yoimiya is easily interrupted and Xiao and Hu Tao are usually hanging around at lower health, and do most of the damage anyway.
- I would say otherwise he's "comfy" meaning he makes the game easier for survival, but harder for damage.
- If you're like me and you don't care to ever 36* the Abyss, then Zhongly is a no-brainer pull. He makes everything in the overworld or weekly bosses easier. Basically you pop his shield and you wail on the boss. Easy peasy.
I mean you still can 36* abyss without zhongli coz there is a hyperbloom team and many
i dnt use my bow/arrow characters because i take forever to aim... and miss anyway >.
Currently saving for Zhongli, then will be pulling for Monsieur Neuvillette
Same bro
Yes, for example
Fishl: electocharge
kazuha: whirlwind
zhongli : crystallization
A1 neuvillete :110/130/160
If you put beidou in place of zhongli you will lose a charge from his A1. different is layla or kirara that can do a reaction related to hydro, but it all depends on the composition. There are few teams where neuvilette c0 will get 3 charges from her A1. Solution? play rainbow team or take out your C1@user-iw2vf7pb7s
ME TOOOO
@user-iw2vf7pb7s Apparently he has a passive that buffs his attack when he performs a reaction with Hydro and another element, and yes, this includes Hydro Crystallize.
Zongli and shougan
I made the mistake of playing through Zhongli's story quests and now I kind of love him. Also, his 100% shield uptime is exactly what I want no one else has that because they can't reliably recast before a shield skill ends(at least I think so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). I will be invincible 💪!
Only layla, that has 100% uptime, but its a 4* so the shield is weaker
Zhongli is my favorite male character. I got him during his first release because I thought he was cool (thanks in part to VA Keith Silverstein). He and Kokomi just make things easier. I don't always want a challenge especially if I am just grinding realms. Plus, I mostly play Yoimiya and I rarely have to worry about interruption.
Zhongli is the first (and only) 5-star I deliberately took to max constellation.
His playstyle makes the game super easy sure, but it also makes it super cheap. Cause now i can just play anyone and just enjoy them without feeling like I'm missing out on damage by not pulling for constellations....cause they are more than good enough at C0 with a C6 Zhongli and random C4-C6 4 stars that fit the need.
zhongli is my fav character i farmed enough to triple crown him immediately i’m so happy to finally have him next week!
Congrats! 🖤🖤🖤
zhongli isnt a must have, but he definitely makes tasks easier. as someone who play casually (as well as the majority players), i prefer running around safely, without having to keep swapping characters as we see in dendro teams. zhongli is still in my regular comfort setup even in my ar 60 journey.
One thing to consider about Ganyu: Lyneys bow is really good for her, but if you use it, you want a second cryo unit in her team even with melt, making Layla or Diona probably being on par with Zhongli, and you don't have to spend a ton of wishes for them since they are 4 stars.
eh, 18% atk is good but it doesn't make up for 20% shred (16.6% more damage from Ganyu + Xiangling). Lyney already has pyro shred from Xiangling so i'd say he is less dependent on having big zhongli.
3 years worth of genshin community knowledge of Zhongli condensed in 26 minutes. You are something else man...
Zhongli became my favourite character right off the bat! The moment I saw zhongli I knew he was the character I wanted at ALL COSTS!! So I dont care what role he plays, how much damage he does or if he has good shielding or not, I'm just gonna pull for him when the banner comes out!! Just love the character design and the personality!!
PSA: The new craftable polearm (Rightful Reward) is actually pretty good on him, especially if you want to use his burst frequently. While it doesn't have as much hp as black tassle, the energy regeneration it provides makes it much easier for him to get his burst, which can be difficult since he is usually the only geo character on a team. Fav can still be a better choice if you need the particles for the rest of the team but he does sacrifice some shield strength because of the energy recharge stat on it.
As a believer in geo supremacy, will wish for him 🗿(started Genshin in 3.3 so no Zhongli yet)
As someone who missed his first run in 1.1 and got him in his rerun in 1.5 I can honestly say he is still one of the most valuable units I've ever pulled to this day despite what most theory crafters say, he enables so many hyper carry teams and is great as a solo sustainer with self healing dpses like lyney and hu tao, or with Xingqiu for pocket healing on ur dps
Thanks for the video! Despite Zhongli often being a damage loss, I think that overall Zhongli is the best character in the game: although he's far from the best character for Abyss, he looks and sounds wonderful, he has very interesting and cool lore, his animations are insane and he is one of the most if not the most comfortable character for openworld in the game! He's just marvelous!
Zhongli was in my recent team in second half in abyss that helped me get my highest score to date with 33 stars.
Pretty bad clear considering this abyss is so easy
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz Really dumb comment .
@@Demonblade777 not as dumb as your gameplay
@@Demonblade777 gotta hav that one in every comment right? 🤦🏽♂️
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzit’s not too late to delete your comment you know🤦🏾♂️
Mostly I clear boss and trounce with Zhongli, i am a mobile player, i suck at dodging and too lazy to learn attack patterns. He is the comfort character and I even triple crown him. (Coz in the future I'm gonna build him physical). Staff of homa helps him make some good damage. He's also very useful in exploration. It is so satisfying to mine multiple rocks or ore with his skill.
I started playing in April 2021 because i saw a fan art of his birthday art. In 2023 and i STILL DO NOT HAVE HIM WHYYYY.
one thing to add is that zhongli is pretty nice for tighnari/yae spread too, since yae + tighnari benefit a lot from shields, and the only usable one is zhongli imo ( the other kinda have it s own cons)
you also can go with Baizhu that provides heal, a paper shield that basically is made to prevent interruption, dendro resonance, can hold deepwood and apply some more dendro :)
Well no, they don't benefit from shielding really. They only benefit from res shred. Yae just has to do three skills while Tighnari has an instant charged shot.
Diona is also a good shielder here because she can hold deep wood and buff Tighnari's EM, or Yae's when she uses her elemental burst.
@@kawaiimika7974zhongli can also hold deepwood, and yes they do benefit from his shield. Tighnari really doesn't want to be interrupted while doing his charged attacks and Yae too while casting her E. Also diona's em boost is only at c6 and her cryo application can mess with quicken sometimes
@@Ricksolayeah baizhu is a really good option
@@Ricksolabaizhu buff even rivals nahidas and can be better if you have high em. He probabky the best defensive option in any dendro team
My one issue with Zhongli is that he created unhealthy mentality (mostly among casual playerbase) of "if shield doesn't allow player to ignore enemies until the end of time, it's trash".
Better than if it doesn't do insane dmg so I can beat floor in seconds it's bad
Yeah, as a Dehya use this pisses me off so much XD
Like on majority of teams that you run Zhongli in, you're going to be running Bennett. And Benentt heals so what does it matter if you take the damage or not XD
You just need the Interruption resistance.
@@dream6562 I don't think that's as big of a problem today as it was in early days of Genshin when most online content came from whale content creators who had (and still have) 0 idea about game mechanics and propagated idea (coming from even more predatory & P2W gachas) that you need to spend and max out "top tier" characters or you won't do anything. Fortunately now Genshin CC scene got better and more people understand that you don't need to deal 1 million dmg to clear Abyss.
@@radcat4317 ...Yes you do need to deal 1 milion damage. Sometimes 3 million in Venut's case.
@kawaiimika7974 1: no, majority of teams where you use zhongli dont run bennet.
2: even in the teams that do run bennet what matters is the interruption resistance not the inmortality and its teams that are not gonna be running any xingqiu or beidou, like ganyu and lyney
I’m hoping that navia might somehow revive two in some way (although I’m not totally sure how she does it to be honest) in turn maybe buffing Zhongli, gorou, maybe Itto in some way.
Also I always find it funny that Hoyo created rift hounds to specifically counter Zhongli and hurt people that use him in the abyss. Savage move.
@@xsnipermattymacx I have mono geo cleared many of the rift hound floors on Abyss. It's a skill issue if they're a problem for anyone.
@@lihavalokki5705 that’s what I was alluding to. Anyone that relies on his shield heavy and can’t dodge gets crushed. I’ve found some time struggles with some of the Lector floors with mono geo but throwing Bennett in instead of albedo helps.
Well bennet is not saved from the nerf either with HP and EM characters, with dendro and enemies like the beasts of the abyss where taking Bennet is pure suicide. @@xsnipermattymacx
@@gizdra1128 Why? Consecrated beasts don't counter Benentt
One more consideration: If you are playing at least partly on tablets, pull him 🙂
I'm mainly a PC player, but still will get him, as he's one of my favorite characters in the story.
If you're not someone who's only purpose of existence is to 36,star abyss as fast as possible with big numbers. You can NEVER regret Zhongli. He's simply a GODMODE button.
tl;dr unless your you wanna main Yoimiya, Melt Ganyu, Mono Geo, or to a lesser extent Hypercarries and Hu Tao, Zhongli is more of an overworld unit than an abyss unit.
There’s no real need for a shield in the overworld though, even most overworld bosses die in seconds. As for Hu Tao and hypercarries, I would argue that they’re past Zhongli at this point, Hu Tao’s best team replaces him for Xiangling, Wanderer and Xiao can easily swap him for Thoma, or C4 Yanfei with TTDS for the latter.
@@vladdyru yea that’s why I said “to a lesser extent” lmao. As a wanderer main, I’m perfectly aware that Zhongli is probably his lowest damage option in terms of shielders. That being said, he is my personal top pick for overworld since he has good uptime and his shield isn’t tied to a burst. Plus he can mine rocks. If damage doesn’t matter in overworld why not make it a lil bit easier for yourself? This is just my opinion tho, and I use Zhongli just because I happen to pull him way back when I was under the misconception that he was “s tier”. If I were to recommend him to a newer player I probably wouldn’t if they care about abyss.
he's a great flex slot for plenty of team & I still think he beats every other shielder in overworld. Hyperbloom, Al haitham, etc. I've even used him for Raiden hyper when the kenkis are annoying.
I don't regret getting Zhong Li, definitely one of my favorite characters and I wish I could have 2 for each one of my teams lol. He's very comfy to play with but he does feel like a damage loss. I say just get him because he's beautiful and you will find him useful one way or another.
IMO his usefulness is like a bimodal curve. High utility early/midgame, completely useless endgame, and then back to high utility for comfort if you reach whale investment.
Below 27-star Abyss, I found that my biggest problem was dying. Specifically I remember the hydro zoo floor felt impossible to get through. Zhongli solves that problem.
From 27-36 star, and now at consistent 36, he is useless. The problem is no longer dying but time, and Zhongli doesn't help there. If I need defense, rather have on-element for the slot.
Even consecrated beast cycle, main source of failure/reset was over 3 minutes, not death. Sometimes I even sub in more offense less defense if I need a target chamber clear.
Is he needed in the current era of Genshin, no. Is he worth pulling for, absolutely, I pulled him back during lantern festival right after Shenhe was first released and is easily my top 3 favorite characters.
The best part is if you place him on a team for spiral abyss you can completely skip having a healer, his shield is that good.
For me personally i don't think I'll ever get Zhongli unless i decide to collect all of the archons or something. I feel like other shield characters are just better purely because of how bad geo is. C4 Yenfei and Layla have incredible shields if you need them and their elements are more necessary for reactions. I don't think he's necessary for Ganyu either because if you're playing melt ganyu you can just use tankfei and for freeze you can use Layla. I hate the mono geo teams personally and it feels a lot worse then even playing a physical team or something imo
Contracts cannot be used to define shields nor measure daddyness, so just what can we use to measure Big Dong Zhong?
The Mohs scale apparently 😅
@@rainiplaysgames3545 indeed, it is as you have guessed
Hey there...great video, just wanted to say C3 Zhongli also increases his shield's HP so it is actually that great, since shields are his thing and all😅.
Zhongli is my favourite Genshin character, and you've covered him really well here, kudos 🙌.
honestly you deal no damage if your dead, so if you got the damage you need with just 3 units his shield will keep your big dps alive and not flinching from hits
Pulling for him cause he is purely one of the coolest, if not the coolest, characters in the game. Just a bonus that he has really good uses
Laylas shield automatically applies to coops when used after her c1.... So i don't know if a constellation 2 for a 5star character is worth just to apply a shield to an ally after his BURST.
Team mates shields from C1 Layla is like wet paper even with 40k HP.
Agree with the first comment. Good shield for you but paper for the rest of the team.
But i also think that co-op is always better of with a healer rather than shielder.
I am pulling for zhongli because of giant meteor. And he has cool voicelines
Literally same. Also during the trial from his storyquest i fell in love with his playstyle
I don't use Zhongli on a bunch of teams but there are some teams that feel far more fluid to play with him on it and on those teams he doesn't feel like a damge loss because my character gets to keep attacking instead of taking time to dodge and messing up the attack chain. I have used Yoimiya without Zhongli but stopping her attack chain to dodge and have the chain reset and lose out on her hits with the biggest multipliers sucks. There are other shielders but Zhongli has more utility and won;t interfere as much with reactions. Plus his resistance shred and using either tenacity or Archiac he can still provide buffs as well as be a great battery. Also on my mono geo team he is the only one that can shred resistance for geo.
For F2P folks with limited primos, if you survived ar45+ without Zhongli, you don't really need him as his contribution is not that great at late game content. However if you play Xiao or Hu Tao (especially Hu Tao) or just suck at dodging and I-framing, Zhongli is a solid investment. However keep in mind shields don't work against Abyssal hound bleed attacks or vishap energy drain attacks. Hope it helps in decision making going forward into his banner. Good luck.
It's an easy skip for me, the only issue i run into is screwing up my rotations and getting flung and stuck into the air for a full minute as punishment lol, I don't play Ganyu and I don't have anyone necessary for Mono Geo, so I think I'm safe to continue saving for Venti to make my freeze team terrifying. Thank you for the video!
as a melt ganyu enjoyer, winning that 50 50 on zhongli's banner was game changing
Please dont get confused. This is for people that have maxed out damage on there characters. If u do not do the sufficient damage anyway, Zhongli can save lives. If you do billions of damage nothing is worth pulling for anymore and you should simply play a different game. However shield strengh is something Hoyo is going to address in the future, so healers take a bigger part in the game.
C2 makes him less of a DPS loss since you dont have to hold his skill just to get a shield while making his ult give a shield AND deal a lil bit of damage. A part of why he's called a DPS loss is bc of his long ult animation which does not exactly the biggest damage so slapping a shield on his ult is kinda huge
I Was very tempted for the ease of play he'd bring, but I did end up getting yelan just yesterday, one thing I found with kazuha, is that I'm starting to find him a little bit boring because I want to use him all the time.
A lot of my enjoyment from this game comes from switching things up and trying different characters, I feel like if I get zhongli, I'd have another unit that I'd just want to use all the time because I'd feel like I'm being less efficient/having to work harder without them.
As tempting as he was I think I'll stick with Layla and kirara for shielding, and yelan is my first 5* hydro too so that took priority.
I do think I'll pull for him some day though, even if I just limit his use, that domain with the dropping icicles would become much less of a pain.
Big Dong Zhong has carried me through this whole game since his first banner. He is in 90% of my parties. Getting interrupted is incredibly annoying. His CC is super useful and does decent damage. When the game was new, I would say he was mandatory, but nowadays, Diona and Layla are very good shielders as well. I do have to say, his ingame benter gets old real fast. If I have to hear about osmanthus wine one more time...
Got him at 2 pity with the starglitter i got after losing my 50/50 to Qiqi. My Ganyu's finally complete.
I really really love how you just mentioned a team that I can see myself using my end goal was gonna be nahida Yelan raiden and zhonglie so when he drops this up coming week I can add him to my team
The thing is, many people who say "Zhongli is a DMG loss" are assuming the theoretical "best case" scenario.
Yes, in theory Zhongli is a DMG loss to another more damage focused units. However, if you factor in that without a shield you'll have to dodge (and recently, with more agressive enemies quite often depending on the situation) to avoid being interrupted or even killed, the actual damage loss with Zhongli instead of other characters isn't all that significant anymore.
Especially with characters like Yoimiya, Ganyu, Lyney etc who have to interrupt their abilities to dodge, it actually tends to result in higher overall damage.
The only really good argument for not having Zhongli in your roster is that you either don't like him and/or you already have another good shielder who can fulfill the same role.
People saying "Zhongli is a dmg loss" are refering to his long ult animation. The damage it provides is generally too low to incentivize using it. That is unless you have C2, which grants you a shield upon using ult and thus saving you from using the hold-E for a shield.
I've been fine with c4 Yanfei as my shielder for Melt Ganyu. Bennett is on the team anyway so Yanfei doesn't have energy problems. True, Zhongli would be an upgrade, but I don't think it's enough to warrant pulling for him in my case. Mileage may vary depending on player, of course.
He wouldn’t even be that much of an upgrade, you get so much from the pyro resonance and TTDS, that his shred might even fall short of all those buffs. Besides, I would argue that his pillars that are all over the place are especially annoying on Ganyu.
Zhongli pillars are especially bad if you're running the Nahida Melt Ganyu version because the crystallizes can throw off the Tri-karma timing and make you drop burning when you don't want to. Definitely think c4 Yanfei or even Dehya is the better pick specifically for that one.
But whether running Nahida there instead of a real Dendro team is worth it is another story. I've used it against flying bosses like Wenut, but would normally just say stick to the Xiangling version.
Im not really sure if I really want him, I would only use it in mono geo and maybe in a ganyu melt but I think that pulling neuvillete will be a better option just because of playstile and gameplay.
also, dont worry abaut geo resonance in monogeo, if you use itto albedo and gorou you can use a healer like kuki or even a off field dps like fischel and yae and you will always have a cristalize shied on
There is literally ZERO downsides to having zhongli, well… apart from the fact that he makes the game extremely easy
Making the game easy is not a downside, our mission as warriors is to take down the enemy. With Zhongli on our side, victory is even more assured.
15:09 that's Ningguang :D - Great explanation on Daddy Geo!!!!
I played genshin without a shielder for the entire year since i started playing after zhongli's banner expired. Now I've got him, i can see how my hu tao team improved.
Honestly, as a zhongli lover, the only issue with him is the lackluster skill damage, that is it. I built him on 41k hp with a 68.3% crt - 189.3% cdmg, and he is not only an amazing unit to use for shielding, but for characters like hu tao who function best when their skill is active but dont have 100% uptime, just pop his burst and that is already 2 seconds of invincibility, and if the enemies you are fighting can be petrified, thats another 4 seconds of breathing room. Pull for zhongli if: 1-You enjoy a more casual playstyle 2-you main characters that lose out on a lot of dps if they get interrupted 3-if you play mono-geo
The fontaine court is desperately in need of some Order.
Yeah I need him as an Archon & Harbinger Collector, Esp in coop best Shileder for them, and as a Golden Geo Collector too, it's a win/win esp for my Itto team. Waiting for the geo reso to get buff soon, NAVIA claymore dps, loved it! My 2nd geo team is coming 😍
Zhongli needs c2 to shield other players
Well, for co-op, you want that C2. Otherwise, you have a character that brings poor DPS, poor particle generation, has an element that doesn't set up useful reactions, is usually the only geo, so no geo resonance, and, well, doesn't do much at all other than protect his own bacon. He's one of the characters I like to see the least when I'm playing co-op, because his being there is about as close as you can get to not having a 4th player at all. Of course, with C2, then he shields the team, so then he's okay. You still feel the negative impact on clear time over other defensive options, but will have a better time than without one.
Note though that this is for co-op. In solo play, he's quite useful, because you have three other characters that can be on the field doing things, and his shield is there for them. Co-op, without C2, just makes all his weaknesses even bigger, and undercuts his strengths as well.
Don't bring Zhongli in co op if he's not C2. I don't want to see him
I really wish that they would make it so that Crystalized Shields would also increase DMG for both, Geo and the corresponding Element by a reasonable percentage based on the EM of whoever created the Geo reaction. It could at least translate to more DMG, and it would make both, Zhongli and Albedo even better potential support characters in that regard.
I want Zhongli mostly for Yoimiya. I got her during the consecrated beasts Abysses, and I really wish I had him.
I use him in hyperbloom team it works so well with yelan raiden nahida, zhongli keeps everyone alive
yea it’s a shame i wish his kit was built a different way. he’s fine now with the buff and i love him but man he really should’ve been like yelan where everything is off hp
Of course you should pull him. The comfort he brings is incomparable. Especially in mining. I can even use him to mine fontaine crystals that are underwater w/o usimg the crab shields.
I don't even really care much about clearing 9* in floor 12 so whatever so-called "DPS loss" is ok if Zhongli makes me clear it through. I just stick with whatever stars I get on floor 12, not bothered to repeat.
Funnily enough, Razor is just as good if not better for mining, his hold E ore destruction radius is absurd, while the cooldown is quite short. He also has a sprint stamina -20% passive, so he’s much more convenient for ore runs imo.
@@vladdyru Razor was the last OG 4* that I got, so he's still mostly unbuilt. I .got Zhongli before Razor
Zhongli is not only a shield. His interruption resistance is GOD and that itself increases the DPS by a LOT. Moreover, for unswirlable elements i.e, Anemo, Geo, Dendro.
He's pretty much still the only damage buffing option. (Not considering C6 Faruzan)
I’d never heard the term “must-skip” before. That gave me a chuckle.
Zhongli was one of the units I considered essential for my account, making it clear that I'm not into Abyss meta. Still considered an important component, but I was amazed at how I don't put him on more teams these days. The only teams I use him as a mandatory component are Hu Tao double Hydro and Double Geo with Ningguang and he is flex on my Eula team. And it still has the mining meta, clearly the reason for pulling him.
is your hutao c0 or c1 ? is playing her at c0 good or bad ? Its already difficult to get a 5 star (as f2p/lowspender), and if have to get a constilation on top of that then 😑😑😑
Is ningguang good ? how she is in double geo ? i have her at c6 but not leveled her (got her while wishing in yelan banner few months ago when yelan n hutao banner was up )
Should i get zhongli even if i dont have hutao, ganyu, yoimiya, xiao, wand, itto, etc
@@BlankSama For me, yes, it is good to have him in your account. But the question is whether you can and want. My case is, when I looked at his banner on 3.0 I was comfortable with primogens, I didn't worry too much about how long it would take for a rerun because archons have a more consistent cycle than other characters (his last rerun was in 2.4) and I like Zhongli. So do you want to get him now for future characters, or do you want to build a roster that you enjoy to play and then get him later?
My Hu Tao is C0 and I got her way after Zhongli in her rerun with Yelan (also C0). Using jump cancel is weird sometimes but is not a "you totally need this con, otherwise this character is unplayeble", as far as I know it's an increase in comfort. For what I have now, Zhongli is very good for her, but I could use other options like Layla and Diona, but I would need to change my rotation play. I prefer Zhongli because I find it comfortable and I'm sure I can use Hu Tao's skill until it runs out and not early.
For Ningguang, for me it's an obvious case, Zhongli is the best for her: apart from protection, he gave defense shred for all elements and also there is Geo resonance, which is good for her. I haven't been playing with her that much and my artifacts are garbege, but if you're willing to invest on her, Zhongli is one of her best teammates.
But again, what do you want and what you can do?
Considering I beat the spongest overworld boss in the game, that blue guy in fontaine, using my level 90 Noelle whos at talent level 11 on her shield 🛡, along side diona who's only at talent level 9 an she's level 90. . .
No you don't need zhonglis shield.
In the abayss he might help, only because it lasts longer, but that's about it..
For reference sake the other members of my 4 man team to beat that boss were a level 40 chonyun wirh talents at level 1, an my ganyu at level 90 wirh talents at level 9.
So ya, zhonglis just a nice cushy bonus in my eyes 👀. But he's not nessary when we already got Noelle an diona. An they provide some pretty good shields 🛡 too.
I switched out my Noelle for my level 90 Barbara an took that same team, freeze team into raiden Shogun yesterday an beat it at world level 8 lol.
Ironically using ice water works really well on the electro God of thunder lol 😆
An then I proceeded to clear out all the other world bosses on world boss reset day with that very same team.
All I got left now is the stormterror an the wolf, the easy ones. .
If you have enough time you can clear out all world boss except 2 in a day. With the teapot 🫖 free weekly resin, an thr battle pass resin you have enough.
This requires toy to know about ways to cheese 🧀 the battle pass weekly goals. An it works.
Anywho, have a great day jello. I'm off to kill the wolf 🐺 🤪 😎
I have been waiting for Zhongli for a year and I will be getting him
I have a c2 Zhongli. Thank you for the in-depth analysis I think you hit the nail on the head. Zhongli is probably the only essential Geo unit in the game. The rest are luxury. I have a c2 (c1 1.1 ) then c2 at 1.5. I love his c2 and very rarely hold skill now. I also agree I've had a Zhongli, Albedo core since (1.3) and can tell you now it is the most comfy and brain-dead core you can have. Both skills and forget with a low cool down. With c2 Zhongli (holding a Fav Lance) he's my team battery too constantly funnelling energy particles into whoever is currently on the field. Since version 3 I have used him less but that doesn't diminish how he carried me through the abyss all the way up to 3. Just having a Zhongli on my account makes me feel comfortable at knowing regardless of how aggressive the abyss gets I'll be able to survive (The Zhongli, Albedo core was so good from 1 - 3 that 3-member abyss with Noelle was viable). Geo might be the worst element (disregarding physical) in the game for meta but its characters are the best designed. From throwing rocks, summoning meteors, transforming into the thing, and summoning a huge buster sword. Aesthetically it is the best-designed element in the game. Under the right circumstances, its mono team has the highest raw damage ceiling than any other mono team.
Hes one of my favorites he's my shield and healer good value for me. Got mine c6 with r5 homa used him before he was buffed. I think for myself its good value his increasing the damage my characters do aswell as healing and shield, only heals because c6. I like using him on most teams but mono cryo favorite Kazuha, Zhongli, Shenhe and Ganyu
Zhongli is an "enabler" for fragile characters, like Yoimiya, Ganyu, pre-C4 Yanfei, Ningguang, maybe more. Zhongli is a buffer due to his resistance shred and you say his HB team with Nahida/Raiden/Yelan rules. Also, he looks like me, I cannot but pull for him. What stops me a tiny bit is that 1) I have C5 Layla - but I am not sure sure about her shield toughness, and 2) the 4* characters on the banner are not the characters I like most. Maybe I should try building pity on the current banner while it is still active...
As a returning player I wanted Zhongli, but after playing without him through Inazuma, Sumeru and the Abyss... I realized I didn't need him anymore. I'd probably pull for him if I was a mobile player because I'm still not used to the inputs + performance issues, but for now, he is not a priority. ESPECIALLY with some big units in the horizon.
Honestly the main reason a lot of people don't like him is that he's geo, the same goes for geo characters in general. It's just... they really should have given geo synnergy with other elements. Without it, geo is ostracized from the other elements. And with there beig 6 other elements, why would you invest in geo when there are so many other characters you can't really use if you want geo on your team? You also miss out on damage from elemental reactions too. I'm really hoping that when Natlan releases, they make it so geo has really good synergy with pyro, I'm thinking some sort of lava reaction. I think geo would be in a much better state that way if they had synergy with at least ONE other element, and that will make people actually willing to build geo characters. I think if Hoyo just leaves geo the way it is, it will be a considerable blow to both geo and their sales, unless they plan on making no more geo characters which I doubt they'll do
I know how good zhongli is but I don't know if I need him, but hopefully, i will know it after watching this video
Zhongli’s meatball has lower numbers than Kirara’s box, and that’s just the initial impact, she also has exploding dendro bombs. Her shield is also stackable with sac sword, and her C6 is on par with Zhongli’s shred, his kit just doesn’t cut it anymore, it’s too replaceable.
You are not a clown, but the entire circus
@@zaraki942 You okay bro? Inhaled too much copium maybe? You don't get 40% shred, all you're getting is 20% actual shred + 20% geo shred. Who on earth would want geo shred on any other team besides Itto? And what do you call a unit that's actually beneficial for a single character? A replaceable underwhelming unit, you're at least right on on that one.
@@vladdyru Dendro shred?
Also "beneficial for a single character"? If you want to, you can use him on any team besides Nilou Bloom.
with layla, thoma, tankfei you also dont really need zhongli. Its that zhongli is cheap to build and you dont need to build and spend tons of exp and mora building those units. I still would prefer those other shielders if u have them built since they also give more utility
Ive already pre farmed the geo hypostasis 😂 no way back for me anyways
Same bro😂
Go for him. He’s worth it.
Lol. I hate that thing because now I'm at World Level 7 and had no reason previously to farm it😮
There is a way back, her name is Noelle 🧹
he's really worth it especially for a new player, you will never struggle in any content except abyss
I like him and I'll pull for him. Hate me.
I don't need Zhongli, I'm just gonna wish to finish my Archon roster and have a shielder if needed😂
Maybe I won't lose my 6th 50:50 in a row...hopefully.
Missing Zhongli after I pulled him in 2.4… idk, I guess he enables my Ganyu. He isn’t S tier at all but he could be a solid A tier, I’d be fine with that. I can respect that where his skill set is wanted for, he presents himself as almost the only option.
Honestly, I think he’s a skip for any meta chasers, but a must pull if you’re a collectionist who loves playing around with different playstyles.
I'm honestly torn between Zhongli and Tartaglia. I fear that I will probably need to wait. I barely have any primos saved up, cause I got Kokomi for Nilou bloom, but Zhongli probably won't have another rerun until Natlan. As for Tartaglia, no one really knows, so there's that too...
if you want a hydro on field dps unit, get Neuvillette, he's probably going to be better (unless you love Tartaglia).
Some notable mention, I would like to add, is that there are Emblem builds for DPS oriented build of Zhongli, inside Goro teams. And there is a possibility of meme Pillar build of using the new Golden Troupe, which will increase his pillar dmg.
A must for F2P. Artifact farming became a whole easier and you don't have to grind as much. You don't have to be a big hitter anymore.
As a C2 Zhongli plus Staff of Homa haver, I wish all Zhongli wanters to be Zhongli havers and good luck on their pulls!
Added tip: Another f2p pole option to use is The Catch (via fishing), especially when you can easily R5 it. The 45% ER is nice for frequent bursts, has added 32% burst damage and increases crit rate by 12%.
I went Zhongli C2 for co-op as I frequently co-op with friends and also for weekly bosses. A tip for a co-op build is to add a bit more ER so you're bursting more often to proc the burst that gives shields to the team.
geo resonance works with crystallize shield. a shielder is not a must. so any 2 geo units, with 2 other pyro/hydro/cryo/electro is perfectly fine. doube geo double hydro is easily the best
He's probably the best defence against the dreaded constipated beasts in abyss 12. Luckily, we don't get them as often anymore.
Debating for zhongli because yes, I have yoimiya and hu tao I’d love to play more, but these abysses have started needing specific elements to break shields or deal with certain mechanics and geo isn’t one of them, only wolf lord which if they rerun wolf lord this up coming abyss im going to be livid, but will most likely run hyperbloom and add in yun jin.
He’s good for Yoimiya if you have a well-invested Yun Jin. For Hu Tao, however, you’d be much better off with simply slapping Xiangling in Hu Tao’s usual double hydro team. Frankly, recent abysses are terrible for Yoimiya, so I would advise to consider skipping him, as it’s not worth trying to make the dying team work.
@@vladdyruyes exactly
@@vladdyru cosigned, as someone with zhongli and a well invested team (r5 rust w/ 200CV, jade cutter XQ, c6 yunjin). The difference between clearing and not clearing is more likely going to come from dropping geo entirely and doing something difficult to play for AOE and element checks. For example beidou XQ fischl/bennett. Its still okay so long as your other side is overinvested/really good lately.
I spent over 10k primogems to try to get him. I got 2 others 5 star characters wishing on his banner
he is the best general shielder. but if you plan rolling for hu tao, you are better off using Layla.
From what i have heard mister hydro dragon have charge attack based kit which take a bit of time for ton of damage, so most are saying he will need a shield and crowd control,kazuha and zhongli being best 🥹, so glad have all the archons sacrificing sumeru characters, will get all the hyped fontaine ones starting with nuvileete than furina and than maybe arlecheno or madam ping/cloud retakner whoever is bettee and arrives early
Mr Hydro dragon also presumably works well with Beidou (c1?) if nothing changes in the beta time.
I’m really not sure which way to go.
Option 1: Get Childe. It’s logical and aligns with the meta. I have c6 Xiangling (the catch) and Bennett (skyward sword) plus Kazuha. I have my other half of the abyss ready to go, and Childe is the missing main DPS for the other side as I’m a newer player. I even brought the rust to level 80 a while back in anticipation of him running. Although, I haven’t farmed HoD/Blizzard Strayer domain, so I’d be obligated to farm a domain at least a hundred times JUST FOR HIM (or maybe a future Nilou… but she just needs 2 pc hp so).
Option 2: Zhongli. Most of my time playing genshin is helping out my cousin complete random quests or domains, so getting Zhongli would be kinda nice, besides just the general comfort of having him for yourself. Also, I’d like to get Yoimiya in the future, so that’d be nice for her. I may also want to go full or 3/4 full geo boys team in the future just bc I like them all quite a bit, plus the unga bunga playstyle (completely opposite of Childe btw lol).
Option 3: Wriothesley! I want him so bad. Plus, his artifact domain should also be great for Fischl and Focalors, who I plan to get probably on her next rerun. He’d be my first leveled cryo character besides Kaeya, and it may give me an excuse to get Shenhe who I also think is pretty cool.
I’ve gone with the meta up until now, but right before the finish line (aka completing both sides of the abyss with meta-acknowledged teams) I’m really wondering if this is right for me after all… especially since I want Wrio quite a bit.
I'm kind of in a similar situation with childe finishing my meta teams for spiral abyss so I would say if abyss is your goal, pull for him, if not, it doesn't matter as much and pull who you like better personality and gameplay wise. I feel like after I pull childe ( I still think he's a very interesting character, not just for meta) then I can just go for whoever I want like fontaine characters. Since I have quite a few pulls saved I will go for whatever new character after that. Keep in mind fontaine characters will get reruns faster so if you dont get them first time try on their rerun.
If you want to pull Wriothlessly there is probably no need to pull Childe cuz you never know, maybe melt will be good for him.
When I started Childe was on banner and I skipped him because he was difficult to play. Picked up zhongli instead, he was way more comfortable for me and I eventually got characters that worked with him(Yoimiya). I still use him a lot but he's not that interesting to play and his partners are not that strong for newer accounts. I strongly advise you not to pick Childe just because he's strong. He has long cooldowns, requires skill and doesn't have interrupt resist. You could always pick up Raiden instead. Zhongli on the other hand is good but the 4 star options are a lot closer than they used to be (kirara/thoma/layla) plus healers have gotten a lot better too (baizhu, yaoyao, etc are strong).
My advice is get Wrio and the Archon. You can build your account on two 5 stars probably with the new domain artifacts and get 36 stars later. Wrio will be great fun in the new region - he can use kazuha too. Most of your memories of the game will be from the first half year and exploring with a new character is always fresh. The archon will definitely be very effective and you can pair her with another character on their rerun once you get a better idea of the meta. For me getting zhongli first gave me the time to pick yoi and raiden as the characters I liked. The old characters were harder to play, more resin to build (old domains) and their teams were not as effective by then.
@@weezlelay That’s solid advice. If I had enough saved up, I’d definitely go this route as well. I think I’ll probably bypass the meta this once though, even w/ reruns. Thanks!
@@kawaiimika7974 oh yeah, according to the genshin scientist he ought to be good w/ Bennett, XL, and Shenhe for melt. Ofc we won’t know until he comes out but
Zhongli is amazing. He sheild, he talk about osmanthus wine and he mines any rocks in seconds
I am not a good player for this game so Zhongli is and always will be my saviour/rescuver. He is one of my characters which is a fixed part of almost my teams.
its not the elemt that holds them back, its MHY holding them back for not giving geo proper reactions, like for all other Elementa.
Geo finally needs to receive Mud, Fragility, Smoke, Poison, Magnetism and Geo Swirl in order to be alot more universally useful for everybody and in order to finally fix this unbearable fail deaign thats lastign since day 1 in this game, that Geo is the only element in this game, for which EM is 99% basically USELESS...
Would MHY finally add Mud, then would have Geo characters with Hydro Characters finally a reaction, that could negatively impact Movement/Attack Speed from enemies as a form of Crowd Control unique between Geo and Hydro Characters
Would MHY finally add Fragility, then would have Geo Characters with Cryo Characters finally a reaction that would reduce Enemy Defense and would make breaking Shields/Auras more efficient to strip the crap faster from enemies in order to deal damage to ther Health Pools, instead of seeign your attacks getting absorbed into their Shields for too long. Plus it could be used as also a buff for Physical Damage and making Shatters for impressive, if an Enemy under Fragility gets shattered.
Would MHY finally add Magnetism, then would have Geo Characters with Electro Characters finally a reaction, that would have alot with Crowd Control by either quickly closing gaps, or making gaps with targets to push n pull enemies around as you need it..kind of like Gravity Control..think of it like Geo becoming able to use PAIN's Shinra Tensei ....causing painful magnetic shockwaves
Would MHY finally add Smoke, then would have Geo Characters with Pyro Characters finally a reaction, that would buff DPS through helping with Aggro Control and increasing Crit rates and Crit DMG from becoming invisible to targets, using stealth to avoid being targeted and hit, attackign enemies out of surprise with guaranteed critical hits and increased Crit DMg as bonus from the surprise attacks.
Would MHY finally add Poison, then would have Geo Characters with Dendro Characters finally a reaction, that would be a nice alternative over Burning as a passive Health Degeneration, that hits targets while they are moving and becomes strorgner so more you move aroudn while beign poison to punish movement, thus being very effective as a means of Crowd Control again, because crowd control is the speciality of Geo, combines with Burning that forces targets to move around in order to stand not in the flames, its even more effective
Would give MHY finally add Geo Swirl (and lastly Dendro Swirl while being at it), then would have Geo Characters with Anemo Characters finally like all other elements except Dendro, whose reactions need to be tweaked then as well, finally a way to cause AoE Dmg with their reactions...
hopefully geo finalyl sees the rumored bigg rework once Navia is about to get released.. its overdue to make Geo finalyl as Element equal to all other elements with their like half a douzen reactions that give each Element versatility .... that Geo never had with its crap called Crystallization
Im gonna stop saying geo is bad. Gonna say it's cursed because that's what it is. Hoyo cursed it. Just like physical.
I didn’t really need him. I have a BUSTED Layla for my shielding, so I felt I was gonna get him later, as I am saving for Monsieur Neuvillette, but I got him by total accident early, by pulling for Freminet. I’ll try building him :)
It's not like he's some game-breaking unit the way he is now. Them releasing him in a state that he needed the buff just make me wonder why does Hoyo do this nonsense like they did with Dehya? Are they really too incompetent to build decent characters consistently? Too scared of building characters that are powerful, but then why does Nahida exist then? Do they think people wont hate it if they keep consistently releasing a portion of characters that are just a waste of pulls? The more I think about it, the less sense it makes.
His sig weapon considered trash and his constellations are wonky. I refuse to believe the same people designed Zhongli's kit also designed Nahida's too. It really does look like they actively don't want certain units to be sucessful. So inconsistent. Just Baffling.
Going to make a relevant rant.
tl;dr know your damage benchmarks before getting a unit that generally slows your clears.
You do not pull him unless you want comfort for a comp that realistically works with 3 units, ie HT/Yoi, or you have a 3 unit core so strong you can sacrifice the 4th unit to brain off, ie HB.
I know a dude, pulled him because he saw my very high invest ZL, despite my warning.
It's been almost a year since then and they still complain they can't 12 despite me always saying to switch him out for more damage, to which I am ignored.
For performance sake, please do not do the reverse and pull him before knowing your benchmarks.
Sorry for the rant.
I havent pulled all year in hopes of getting my zhongli to C6. Its been a long case of blue banner on my account. I hear he is out again soon. I'm about to bust my primogems load all over that banner.
fair take on alhaitham spread, although i think that at higher levels of investment that shinobu will likely overtake him due to her ability to hold both instructors set and key of khaj nisut at c4
however, while she heals she doesnt give you interruption resist so that could be argued
For anyone who likes pain as much as I do to use him as a dps : good luck.
Jokes asides even if he will be mediocre you can try multiple play style : physical (can be viable especially with Hyperbloom like Eula), geo skill only with geo traveler (good luck), burst support (can be a dps loss but if well invested does a ton of dmg) and the worst of all hybrid (mediocre everywhere but at least you will see his nice burst and his sexy normal Attacks).
A true zhongli enjoyer 😉
didnt even talk about the comfy team using eula/zhongli/lisa and rosaria/mika or another cryo gives eula the interupt resist and also the shred on enemies from zhongs shield.
you dont need to theory craft to know that geo element does damage no elemental reactions therefore damage output is always going to be lower than the other primary elements