I know I'm really late. Probably about 6 years late. But thank you very much for your tutorial. You're the only guy that actually explained how to tie the knot properly, rather than make it complicated. Thanks.
That is the best explained, camera angle set up, nice and slow tutorial of how to tie in correctly and trust me .. I’ve watched many many using the slower play back speed setting and STILL not getting an effective learning experience!! 😂
Great video! Clear, concise, and camera always stays on the knot. Have just starting climbing and one area I am struggling in is doing this knot. I am now practising at home - albeit with a thick shoe lace going though the belt loop on my trousers! - whilst watching your video. Thanks :)
it is not a "double figure of eight" , it is a follow through or reweave, I have never seen where that much tail tied into a "stopper" knot is necessary in a properly tied and dressed follow through figure eight, most agencies following NFPA techniques agree 4 inch tail is all that is required . Also the bight (loop) of the tie in should not be more than four inches in diameter as well. techniques based on testing and standards of practice attempt to enlighten people. Safety or stopper knots have their place in other knots and applications but a little research will show it's not necessary and actually just clutters on the eight on a bight or a follow through.
2014 Video. I'm not sure the dude is not going to update based on anyone's standards. He's wrong and he's way wrong but this shite is seven years old now. Hopefully, anybody that viewed it has long forgotten what they learned or have been retrained in the ways of the future.
Question - that stop knot is designed to hold a load with downward force the way it is tied the rope will put force on the knot in the opposite direction inevitably unraveling the stop knot. Anyone else use an alternative for the stop knot?
One suggestion, you should always thread the rope through the top (waist) loop first. That way if you get distracted or forget to go through both loops of the harness, you'll still be mostly secure. If you forget the top loop however, when you take a fall you'll get flipped upside down
Bad example. Can you please explain why you have used 2 metres of rope to tie this knot and then add so many turns to the stopper knot,it’s ridiculous. Please remove this incorrect video.
We tend to go with BMC (British Mountaineering Council) guidelines for our educational videos. Whilst I agree a properly tied figure 8 does not need a stopper, tying one cleans up any tail and most importantly, ensures there is a backup should a newbie not tie it correctly.
The BMC admits that there is no need to back up a figure 8. The only argument which is made by the author of that section of their guidelines is a concern that the tail will be shorter and shorter and eventually too short if you allow climbers not to tie a stopper. I''d argue that if a newbie fails to tie a figure 8 correctly and his/her partner does not spot that (which is even more difficult when there are two knots there) then you've both failed. Anyway... nice video! Well explained and demonstrated. Even though I'm not concerned with stopper knots. Ensure the tail is a minimum (!) of 10x the diameter of the rope and not so long that it can whip you in the eyes!
I would rather always do the stopper know even if done figure 8 properly. You have only one life after all, and 5 more seconds is something I would invest into it.
Seriously??? LOL. My 3 year old nephew understood it! I don't use stoppers for this particular knot, but there is nothing wrong with it, if tied correctly.
@@TLgamer_TL I thought that he did pretty good. I think he put too much stuff into it with the stopper knot, especially since it isn't necessary. In all seriousness, everyone learns a little differently. It wasn't a perfect video, but I liked the fact that he did it slowly, and very close up. A lot of times, I end up looking at 4 or 5 videos, looking for what helps ME best. Just look around on other videos, or even websites that have clear drawings. That helps me, sometimes. I was just joking when I replied to your post. Trust me, there are hundreds of tutorials that I can't figure out.
Climbers have a real talent for making simple shit sound way more complicated than it is. A figure 8 knot is literally what happens when you take a loop of rope and tight it in a knot. Take a piece of string/rope, make a bight (loop), now pretend that loop is just a normal length of rope and tie a normal overhand knot in it. Congratulations, you have just made a figure 8 knot. But wait! how are you going to attach it to your harness? Well, you can't, that's why you have to tie the knot "the long way" as is shown in this video. But frankly I don't understand why everyone has to make such a fuss about the initial (before re-threading) knot... you hear people going on about "make a snowman" or "lightbulb" and all this shite. ITS JUST A NORMAL KNOT WITH AN EXTRA TWIST IN IT FFS
I know I'm really late. Probably about 6 years late. But thank you very much for your tutorial. You're the only guy that actually explained how to tie the knot properly, rather than make it complicated. Thanks.
That is the best explained, camera angle set up, nice and slow tutorial of how to tie in correctly and trust me .. I’ve watched many many using the slower play back speed setting and STILL not getting an effective learning experience!! 😂
Great video! Clear, concise, and camera always stays on the knot. Have just starting climbing and one area I am struggling in is doing this knot. I am now practising at home - albeit with a thick shoe lace going though the belt loop on my trousers! - whilst watching your video. Thanks :)
Glad we could be of help, keep at it!
Try about 5ft of paracord, easy to have on you at all times.
Absolutely the best video on how to properly tie in!
Watched a bunch and your video is spot on!! Clean, clear and patient with teaching
The best tutorial! I was struggling for days with this and it FINALLY clicked!! Thanks!!!!!!
Glad it helped, tricky knot at first but once you have it, you don't loose it. Happy sending!
it is not a "double figure of eight" , it is a follow through or reweave, I have never seen where that much tail tied into a "stopper" knot is necessary in a properly tied and dressed follow through figure eight, most agencies following NFPA techniques agree 4 inch tail is all that is required . Also the bight (loop) of the tie in should not be more than four inches in diameter as well. techniques based on testing and standards of practice attempt to enlighten people. Safety or stopper knots have their place in other knots and applications but a little research will show it's not necessary and actually just clutters on the eight on a bight or a follow through.
2014 Video. I'm not sure the dude is not going to update based on anyone's standards. He's wrong and he's way wrong but this shite is seven years old now. Hopefully, anybody that viewed it has long forgotten what they learned or have been retrained in the ways of the future.
Brilliant explanation and camera angle
Question - that stop knot is designed to hold a load with downward force the way it is tied the rope will put force on the knot in the opposite direction inevitably unraveling the stop knot. Anyone else use an alternative for the stop knot?
You don’t need the stopper knot at all, regulation is just 4” of tail
Stopper knots are absolutely pointless, I'm a rope access tech and we never ever do a stopper on a figure of 8
Great video mate. This will help my education very much.
One suggestion, you should always thread the rope through the top (waist) loop first. That way if you get distracted or forget to go through both loops of the harness, you'll still be mostly secure. If you forget the top loop however, when you take a fall you'll get flipped upside down
This is the only video that was helpful for me
Thanks for the feedback, glad we could help!
Very good video very clear made sense and I learned stuff my instructed never taught me.
Good night. Tomorrow am training for roof work. What would be the best video for the figure 8 knot?
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Thank you so much for this video. Very clear and concise.
This isn't a double figure 8, this is a figure 8 follow through. They are 2 different knots used for 2 different purposes.
thank youuu perfectly clear, the best i've found
you didnt actually dress the 8 figure follow through knot, cause it's supposed to be parallel
Excellent tutorial and video work. Thank you!
+TheJoeman11 your welcome!
is that a stevedore's knot
no
Good jom bro clambing tips i like your tutorial
Great tutorial!!! your video helped me the most with tying knots
Thanks so much man! I can now be in my lead climbing journey :)
Thank you 🙋
Bad example.
Can you please explain why you have used 2 metres of rope to tie this knot and then add so many turns to the stopper knot,it’s ridiculous.
Please remove this incorrect video.
Apparently you did not listen to what he said
Cheers buddy. I just got it then.
Good vid, some girl laughed and I got rid, and some fella laughed so I bust his head, I tell Yuh. Xx
A properly tied figure 8 follow through knot does not need a stopper knot or any secondary knot. See AMGA guidelines
We tend to go with BMC (British Mountaineering Council) guidelines for our educational videos. Whilst I agree a properly tied figure 8 does not need a stopper, tying one cleans up any tail and most importantly, ensures there is a backup should a newbie not tie it correctly.
Obsession Climbing Good call!
The BMC admits that there is no need to back up a figure 8. The only argument which is made by the author of that section of their guidelines is a concern that the tail will be shorter and shorter and eventually too short if you allow climbers not to tie a stopper. I''d argue that if a newbie fails to tie a figure 8 correctly and his/her partner does not spot that (which is even more difficult when there are two knots there) then you've both failed.
Anyway... nice video! Well explained and demonstrated. Even though I'm not concerned with stopper knots. Ensure the tail is a minimum (!) of 10x the diameter of the rope and not so long that it can whip you in the eyes!
Loving the arm chair climber comments
Thanks man
no need to make this last windings if the 8 knot is correctly made.
Cuty Wishingbear not true, you should always have a back up
I would rather always do the stopper know even if done figure 8 properly. You have only one life after all, and 5 more seconds is something I would invest into it.
You commented that 3 years ago did you get re-educated
I cannot follow this. The way to tie it is to congested and impossible to know with the angles this has been filmed at.
Seriously??? LOL. My 3 year old nephew understood it! I don't use stoppers for this particular knot, but there is nothing wrong with it, if tied correctly.
@@FirstAlarm59 Great! I'm glad. Now what's that have to do with this video has been filmed at very bad angles so it's too convoluted to follow?
@@TLgamer_TL I thought that he did pretty good. I think he put too much stuff into it with the stopper knot, especially since it isn't necessary. In all seriousness, everyone learns a little differently. It wasn't a perfect video, but I liked the fact that he did it slowly, and very close up. A lot of times, I end up looking at 4 or 5 videos, looking for what helps ME best. Just look around on other videos, or even websites that have clear drawings. That helps me, sometimes. I was just joking when I replied to your post. Trust me, there are hundreds of tutorials that I can't figure out.
@@TLgamer_TL if you weren't on drugs while watching the video you wouldn't know what he was doing it wasn't at a bad angle
Bad info
Figure 8. Not figure OF 8.
Sounds like graham Hancock looooll
Pro video;)
Climbers have a real talent for making simple shit sound way more complicated than it is. A figure 8 knot is literally what happens when you take a loop of rope and tight it in a knot. Take a piece of string/rope, make a bight (loop), now pretend that loop is just a normal length of rope and tie a normal overhand knot in it. Congratulations, you have just made a figure 8 knot. But wait! how are you going to attach it to your harness? Well, you can't, that's why you have to tie the knot "the long way" as is shown in this video. But frankly I don't understand why everyone has to make such a fuss about the initial (before re-threading) knot... you hear people going on about "make a snowman" or "lightbulb" and all this shite. ITS JUST A NORMAL KNOT WITH AN EXTRA TWIST IN IT FFS
camel down
and yes that says camel