Welcome! Every now and then Antifascists get some news coverage and this video gets a bunch more views! This is an educational resource that I made to help the public better understand these ideas. If you scroll down you'll see that I do my best to engage with people and have a general policy of not removing comments. The vast, vast majority of my replies, as you'll see, are to people who simply comment without watching the video. So again, I would urge you to actually watch it before commenting or you'll only make a fool of yourself! I've no doubt that a lot of people aren't really here to learn or discuss and just want to express their feelings of sympathy with fascism - I leave their comments up and reply to them anyway because I want everyone else to see, and for them to know themselves, that they can't pretend to be rational and sensible or expect to be taken seriously by people who want to use their brains and hearts to better themselves. I do remove comments that contain slurs, threats, fascist propaganda, or antisemitic conspiracy theories, as sadly all too many do.
Philosophy Tube What The goatie is trying to tell those too young to understand is apparently nazis are everywhere , I do not pretend to know how bad things are in America but I’m sure the goat does , here in the UK however the “ far right “ is something constructed for an agenda the goat knows all too well , division is his message , be warned
My apologies if I went off inappropriately in some comments. I hope they were at least a good read. Tried to be helpful where it seemed prudent. Thank you for your video.
@@nickmagrick7702 To be more succinct than my previous replies: It's cool, wording things correctly can be pretty challenging on the Internet, especially with how many people are determined to purposefully misrepresent your views. There are extremists of every standpoint, they don't represent the wider community. Making sure white people, or any majority, aren't privileged by law is not the same as "favouring minorities". Peoples right to love who they want and not feel judged is more important than reproduction, because those who want to reproduce still will, and if anything, we could do with a birth rate below replacement rates for a while. There are too many people as it is.
@@nickmagrick7702 Not from me at least. Personally, I don't believe insulting Internet strangers is all that productive. Neither side really gains anything from it. I may have a deep, profound disagreement with the views you stated, but that doesn't mean I should insult you as a person for them. Plus, if a person is trolling, I find polite conversation is often the best counter.
"everythings so serious now all the time." said the joker and pressed the button. but we dont need the jewish, christian, muslim batman. we need a secular police, not inquisition/shariah!!!
“We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.” James Baldwin
Except everyone thinks they’re oppressed. Calling into question someone’s supposed oppression is not oppressing, it is critique. Most people can’t handle it because victim status is very alluring. Take me, I’m a queer Arab woman. I have a lot I could complain about but I don’t like giving power over to others to control my destiny keeping me where I am. If I don’t like people or systems where I am, I will move. If I don’t like my life, I will change it. That quote is dumb, and limits any critique of the individual.
@@MmmMulholland if you don't like giving power over your life to others, this quote is perfect. This is about rights of people like you not being recognised. Remember that quote exists within a context No not everyone feel opressed. Only the actually opressed people do. Other just like to pretend equality is opression when it robs them of privilèges
@@smile-tl9in "No not everyone feel opressed. Only the actually opressed people do." So when the white nationalists claim to be oppressed they actually are? Or would this be inconvenient for your argument so it doesn't count? "They're only pretending to think they're oppressed when it's a group I disagree with!!!!!!"
2017: People who wear masks at a protest are likely there to incite some public harm 2020: People who do not wear masks at a protest are likely there to incite some public harm
Mrs. Thorn, I want to say, from the bottom of my heart, I am so thankful you've left this video up over the years. This information and framing is more important now than when it came out.
I got downvoted on Reddit for questioning someone: aren't we all anti-fascists as a standard? No one is on a "meh idc" status on fascists, are they? Turns out. They do.
Yeah but that's like saying aren't we all feminists it has a connotation to people like big red and triggly puff radicals ruin it and I'm just the normal person you could say I'm an LGBT rights advocate but I only have a little extremer than the normal guy
I'm glad you mentioned that liberals can sometimes be sympathetic to fascists. I think it's starting to stick in people's heads that liberal and leftist aren't the same thing.
I’ve used this to some success when arguing ideology and policy: “In my world, you and I both get to live and be free. In your world, you get to, but I do not. And that alone proves you cannot be right.”
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 is it just my subjective to believe that non white people cannot exist in a truly Nazi State? Beacause thats an objective statement of fact
34:00 "In that case, black skin was a mark of criminality. And from that, it was assumed that a crime must have been committed" or, as Stefan Burnett from Death Grips puts it, "Born with a ski mask on my face"
Lol. Yeah, you really do. Glad you're smart enough to figure that out. That qualifies you for trial membership in the club of truth. We welcome all that welcome truth. This is a smart young man that needs to take a 50,000 ft view because he just said absolutely nothing. What fascism!?
@@jeff86ing All I've seen in the past 2 years in relation to violence and rioting would be antifa and BLM. They still have their twitter and facebook accounts. I've seen them burn down blk owned businesses, yell racial slurs at blk cops, and threaten r**** to female officers. I've yet to see anything remotely similar coming from the right. You want to know my last personal experience with Antifa? A couple years ago in CA I deleted 2 of them who were beating up an old blk lady, one with a piece of wood and the other with a pipe....her crime? "Holding a sign that said I love America, Love for everyone". YOU should be the one looking shit up.
"and here's a Hindu group in Boston whom antifa labelled as Fascist for being pro-free-speech, at which antifa then attacked a Black woman." Antifa = anti-capitalist Strasserites, POSING as anti-fash. They even beat up two Latino Marines, whilst the ALL WHITE "antifa" gang called them "b*aners" and "sp*cs". Strasserites hate Hitlerites, but Strasserites are 100% as much a part of the ORIGINAL Nazi Party as Hitler was, and 1920's "progressives" welcomed Strasserites into America (as part of Operation Paperclip, and more), whereupon Soros and other Strasserites joined Dem Party and subverted it from within. Who was Margaret Sanger, what was her relationship with Hitler, and why does the "liberal, (supposedly) anti-racism" Dem Party still give tax dollars to her RACIAL EUGENICIST org today? What was George Bernard Shaw's relationship with Hitler, and was he left or right? Is he still accepted by leftist professors today? What was "progressive" president Woodrow Wilson's relationship with the KKK? PROGRESSIVES, more than any other Dem Party faction, combine racism and socialism, just as the original Strasserite Nazis did. They still do, trapping Blax into self-destruction, just as SANGER said she admired how Hitler used "Kapos" and "Judenratten" to trap Jews into self-destruction. ...Hillary "I'll only talk to WHITE people" Clinton then called Sanger her "hero".
i’m inherently jealous of someone who looked this good then and still got a glow up lol. it feels so disorienting watching her old videos. we love you abby, thanks for years of amazing content :)
Yeah very disorienting, I've been watching Abigail's videos for years before she transitioned and I clicked on this expecting her current self and had to do a double take when she started talking. I only then looked and saw that this video was 6 years old. You're right about the glow up though.
I loved the "today is Wednesday" analogy, and how you used a high pitched noise when it popped on screen to represent a dog whistle, that was damn clever
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate with that spectrum" Noam Chomsky.
Daniël V Nobody is saying authoritarian communism doesn’t do that. Lmao. It was very strict toward dissenting opinions. We’re typically always, in this community, anti-authoritarianism of all kinds.
The video draws a line between communist authoritarianism and fascist authoritarianism. The difference between the two is pointless semantics. Antifa = Fascists They use anti fascist rhetoric to spread their version of fascism.
Er Yk that is a very inaccurate take on the term “fascism”. Believe it or not it does have a definition and that definition is entirely incompatible with communism or the left entirely. Fascism is the end point of the spectrum for conservatism as communism is the end point of the spectrum for the liberalism. So to revise your statement: Fascism is authoritarian Communism is authoritarian Authoritarian = authoritarian. I don’t have the bandwidth to deal with individual sects of each group and how they may or may not meet authoritarianism or how politics is actually more of a square and not a line right now because frankly it is irrelevant.
I think it's particularly interesting how the "Oh, I understand ... it's Wednesday" moment was accompanied by the very British and very benign gesture of tapping one's nose to suggest understanding a thing that's been subtly said, when at the same time, drawing attention to a person's nose is a dog-whistly way of suggesting that they are Jewish. It's a layer of additional meaning that I'm not even sure was intended.
This was one of the more disturbing videos I've ever seen. Thank you. The subject being covered, and the disturbing realities of contemporary fascism, are the reason for the discomfort. I've saved it in a playlist, and will watch it again. I need to think about what I am going to do with what you've taught me. Than you again, and please keep producing your videos for many years to come! ❤❤❤
Perfectly put. Watching this I had to pause many times; it's disheartening seeing how organised facists are, and how the general public (usually older people) are stuck on the fact that they're liberal because they want to keep using bigoted antiquated language.
@@pckle a state of having perpetual enemies and always both being surrounded and helpless and absolutely right and powerful is fascist speak. Antifascists are just fascist-lite and political ideology being reverend with religious fervor is a massive disgusting flaw in the human experience.
"If I were to break into the House of Commons and make my views known very loudly with a lot of swearing, I would expect to be shut down." *side-eyes the American Capitol Building*
but if you are in antifa's side you can set a courthouse on fire and it's still not considered as terrorism. And there I was thinking that attack on federal buildings is a terrorism. Silly me.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 really? Antifa exploded a pipe bomb at a court house in Portland this summer? Where's the outcome? Antifa set a courthouse on fire few weeks ago. Who is talking about antifa's acts of terror? CHOP was a terrorism because local residents were hold as hostages. Why is it only called terrorism when right does it?
@@prkp7248 You can't really think of capitalism and the state as separate entities. What we often call the state is a company. Maybe it is a company ran by the people, a small elite or somewhere in between. In a fully capitalist society the companies makes up the state, like in China. Anarchosyndicalists tries to achieve a "stateless" society while achieving socialism. What method works, works better/worse than other methods and which methods doesn't work I don't know. I guess marxism-leninism was quite the failure. But I am not educated in economy, social science and all that type of shit. So my words don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. I just think we should go forward scientifically and with an open mind. I also know where I want to go based on how I value the individual experience of every conscious being.
@@prkp7248 ... Oh and if you believe in Karl Marx then he thought that capitalism would fail eventually for as long as no force such as a government is acting as it's iron lung. This due to capitalism's supposed unstable nature. Maybe the problem is that the governments are backing up the capitalists in times of crises instead of letting them die off.
the big problem with people using the phrase “peaceful protest” to compare it to current protests is that it implies that the powerless should only have rights with the permission of the powerful, which is a pretty racist opinion
Bingo! The line drawn on what counts as violence is a tool the government uses. Police killings aren't violent because the government did it. Antifa is violent because the government didn't do it.
@Kerosin Fuchs If you want a monoethnic country with a single skin tone, a single static culture, a single language, no refugees and no antifascists, anarchists, anti-patriotic socialists or SJW's and with a lot of nationalism, militarist parades and a big wall for you safety, you go to North Korea!
18:35 The reason why the anarchists, communists, and others band together to be antifa is: Martin Niemoller long version poem is: First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
Although I agree with the cause, I am so unconvinced by these kinds of slippery slope arguments. Being opposed to communism, though it's very foolish, is a long shot away from wanting to yeet everyone to your political left, just like opposing fascism does not mean you want everyone to the political right of Sanders to be lynched. The reason all of those band together as antifa is because, for all of their differences, they all agree that fascism is bad.
Unfortunately, they're the only ones who have proven themselves resistant to Trump's propaganda, and of course the only reason for a person not to wear a mask during covid is if they're an always Trumper. (Certain medical issues are an exception here)
Hot Fuzz is a superb critique of the police state and American glorification of police violence. The entire end setpiece is an action scene where the police don't kill a single person, then fill out paperwork and operate within due process. Angel leans towards de-escalation when possible. Every allusion to cop flicks is critical.
@@egirlSkeletor admittedly, i watched hot fuzz a couple years ago, before my political views began evolving and before being introduced to radical criticism of the police. from my half-remembered vandage point it seems like a half-critical, half-apologetic depiction: sure enough there's problems, but there's a way to fix them from within the existing system. I'm interested both in whether that was the intended meaning and in whether we could do an oppositional reading that reads hot fuzz as somehow more radical than it was meant to be, and what that might look like. not that I'm in prime position to do that without watching it again though haha. any thougths?
@@j.b.aw.6968 the death cult is a true reflection of the inner desires of the neighbourhood-watch class. Any crime including crimes against humanity are justified by such people to maintain a caricature living environment. For example, demanding that a mere civil tort even before judgement should be punished by literal life imprisonment with neither parole nor even ample space to walk and exercise.... I'm not even joking.
Not just does Hitler criticize socialism in 'My War,' but he also openly admits to using the term to appeal to a certain section of the working class. Of course, those who cry 'but nazism is socialism' are just really really in love with Wednesday, may have actually read the book, and don't really care either way.
@@emilyoswin3830 "Kampf" can mean either fight or struggle in German depending on Kontext, you could even extend it to "battle" in some cases, for example we use "Kämpfe" to describe smaller scale fighting in the civil war in Syria.
I always start your videos with a bias that what I'm about to hear is a left-wing, debunk-able opinion. Some videos I disliked in the first half, only to take it back by the end. Your videos always give me this mental pain as I realize that most left-wing political concepts have been straw-maned all of my life.
Ian Williams You’re feeling that pain for a reason. Because you’ve been misled all your life. Fascists aren’t your friend. And leftists aren’t fascists.
Hey, it's happened to a lot of us over here, myself included. Both Olly and Contrapoints have even talked about having this general kind of "anti-SJW" to "full-on leftist" journey themselves
tl;dr - Thanks for not getting triggered, thanks for being honest with your pain, thanks for reflecting on your beliefs no matter the direction they go, that's actually very healthy and pro-human behavior. From a cognitive behavioral point-of-view (thanks therapy) - emotional pain, like physical pain, is your body signalling to your psyche that something happening to you that goes against the worldview that allows you to be healthy *DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT SHIT NOW!!!* Generally speaking, a healthy mindset (read: a mindset that allows us to be relational to other humans, typically pro-human/pro-social thinking and behaviors) allows us to examine the outside event that is causing us emotional pain, how that event is causing us emotional pain (is it challenging our belief systems? going against our expectations?), and then coming up with a solution that not only resolves the event, but enlightens us as to how to deal with a similar occurrence in the future that will mitigate the intensity of emotional pain again, for ourselves and for second parties - this builds emotional resiliency. The more I ruminate on the things I learned in therapy, the more I begin to realize (way moreso with conservative/rightwing thinkers, but liberals/leftists can get into this too if they're not careful/thoughtful) that Outrage, Cancel Culture, Name-Calling, Morality Judgments, Cognitive Bias, Strawman arguments, etc. etc. etc. can reliably be chalked up to emotional dysregulation. Triggers (say, misgendering for trans folk, higher taxes for capitalists) are typically keywords or concepts that set off an emotional doomsday snowball-story in the triggered person's mind that makes them think that their very existence is under threat - this is what normally happens when debates/offenses get personal. Your mind tells you to fight (by obliterating the threat with name-calling or death threats, not just keeping it at arms' length), or to take flight (by shutting down the conversation via stonewalling), 'cuz if you don't, *YOU'RE GONNA DIE.* Which is ridiculous (unless you're a lawmaker, or being threatened by those wielding violent power, like cops or muggers), because words alone don't threaten the life of a human; it's these trigger words, these Big Red Panic Buttons in our minds, that set off a reactivity chain reaction in other people who don't have that emotional resiliency or aren't experienced in critical thinking. If you wish to continue holding beliefs that can be classified as "right-wing," I personally do not agree with your beliefs and I will vote against them in elections and debate, but I'm fine with the act of you merely having them, because at the stage of merely having them, they alone don't threaten my life as somebody slowly becoming anti-capitalist/pro-socialist. But I can only ask that you keep in mind that, when you hear a left-wing, debunk-able opinion, the deliverers of those ideas are trying to deliver them in good faith, only challenging your held beliefs, not trying to literally control your life or your identity against your will *at the point of discussion.* Because after all, whether you re-examine your beliefs or double down on them is completely up to you - you are the one who wields power over yourself.
Honestly when I watch these videos basically none of the statements made surprise me or don't fall in line with what I assumed the left stood for. And I say that as someone who attacks the left quite often. So my suggestion is that perhaps you are making the same assumptions about the attacks the right are making.
No, that’s called breaking away from polarized thought into alternative narratives. In a pursuit of hopefully individualism, free though and criticism. I thought and did the exact same way towards right winged channels. To which I’ve now changed. I’m open to the whole weltanschauung now. I don’t particularly think I have a political label other than ‘filthy centrist’😂
It's funny how I discovered this channel through it's new content and now I have to watch this old videos made by a completely different person, only to realize they are in fact, the same person. Absolute slay.
Was watching this on my way to work, I work at a school in Japan and it happened to be a Wednesday, one of the teachers started to say “today is ....” then paused to remember the word, I helped and said “today is Wednesday” to which she responded “ohhh, today is Wednesday”. Now we are both facist.
I think your just into nazi-chic its alittle bit different and no where as Innocent. In fact real facist have to attend Berkley university to be a real facist other wise your just one of thouse poor kids.
Hey man, This video came up on my dash the other day, at almost exactly the same time that local fascists started a huge propaganda campaign: we're a uni town and there's stickers, flyers and posters all over the local campuses, just in time for the new crop of students to show up. I spent the day tearing them down, and getting the word out about it. It's been getting a real response, and other folks are going out there to help out. I'm not sure I would've done it without this video. I had this idea that Antifa meant black block throwing punches and I didn't know if that was something I had the courage for. Realising that it could be more low-key and domestic was super cool: I tore down posters, and I did some organising. It wasn't exciting or glamorous, but it felt like good praxis and maybe it'll stop some impressionable kid going down the wrong path. I did antifascism, and it's because of you. Thanks, Olly!
About a year after this video came out I got into an argument with someone where they stated that I had to claim to be Antifa or I was a Nazi (or at least a Nazi-sympathizer, and they did state those were equivalent in their eyes). At the time I was really just starting to understand leftism and anti-fascism and while I opposed fascism (of course) I didn't believe I "was Antifa" because I myself hadn't done anything specifically anti-fascist, and specifically because I had stated that I was a pacifist ( I was still working on how I view violence with politics, this video was part of that). Because of this, this person pointed me to this video (which I had actually already partially watched) and said that if after I watched it I didn't claim to be Antifa I really was a Nazi. I ,upon re-watch this 5 or so years later, cannot understand why they were so stuck on this, when in the first 5 minutes of this video, Abby's brother ;), explains that it is not something you are, but something you do, and that it is extreme anti-fascism, not all who oppose fascism are antifa. I've come to really appreciate this video, for helping me understand my own understandings, both the political and the interpersonal.
ngc4594 well it isn't. While there maybe revolutionary communists that are also antifascist that is not a requirement and the goal of antifascism isn't revolution.
I washed more than 10 seconds, but it was clear from the start that the speaker was lying through his teeth. I don't have to watch all two hours of a flat-earth video or a Vitamin-C-Cures-Everything video to know I won't find any facts in them either--once they explain that I'm not really a Christian if I refuse to accept that the "Round-Earth Theory" is a Satanist plot, I can hit the pause button and go back to listening to music without any worries. And at least Flat-Earthers and Pauling's acolytes aren't advocating a system based on hatred and envy that caused more than 100 million deaths. (Amusingly, I have better debates with flat-earthers than with socialists. Sure, they occasionally delve into ad hominems or psycho-analyzing, and they'll often jump to hilariously wrong conclusions mixed with a stubborn refusal to understand metaphors--but they're also more likely to try to put together a logical argument (even though they fail) or try to cite science (even when they badly misquote it, like Michaelson-Morley), but they're far, far less likely to devolve into schoolyard name-calling, vicious personal attacks, absolute water-is-not-wet lies, or I--know-you-are-but-what-am-I trolling.)
@@kenabbott8585 I would argue that you _do_ need to watch all two hours of a flat earther's video if you want to be able to say that everything in the video is wrong or bullshit or a lie. Otherwise, you're just baselessly saying it is because the world view you held before you watched the video disagrees. You can argue against specific things when they're presented to you and you can voice that you disagree with someone's position based on what you know of the subject, but you can't criticize a specific argument if you haven't listened to the argument in full.
27:45 this hit home for me. I'm disabled, trans, gay and in an interracial relationship. (I know i'm winning the opression olympics). Whenever someone pretends that my ideology is as much as a choice as a fascists or neonazi is, I feel so powerless because there is a fundamental misunderstanding. I may be able to hide my trans and/or gayness, i can't hide my disability, my partner can't hide his race. We have way less choices and none of them guarantee our safety.
56:45 in Belgium this tactic is often used by not differentiating between different kinds of immigration. We have a huge influx of people from the Netherlands and France each year. It's because we have 3 official languages, of which 2 are widely used (french and dutch). You can also navigate our society quite easily if you only speak English. However, when a white dutch person immigrates to Belgian they are obviously still an immigrant and can be used in immigrant statistics. There was a widely spread headline that said 'more then 50% of babies born in a big city have at least one non-belgian parent'. This makes it sound like 50% of babies are biracial, while in fact the vast majority were white but just had a dutch, french, british or even german parent.
I remember reading in my Abnormal Psychology textbook that in the early 1900s, the mentally ill in the United States were forcefully sterilized to prevent them from "breeding" which made me take a step back and realize that I was never once taught this in school and I was only ever taught that the United States were (almost) always the good guys. Eugenics has a deep rooted history in America and it's terrifying.
**literally one bad thing happens over 100 years ago** People like you: "OH MY GOD IT'S GOT A DEEP ROOTED HISTORY, IT'S EVERYWHERE YOU'RE JUST TOO BLIND TO SEE IT!" **puts on tinfoil hat** Not everything is a conspiracy, yes, bad things happened 100 years ago. That doesn't mean it happens now, does it
The OP was not just talking about not being taught a specific thing, but also the whole "flawless good guy America" narrative. If we want something dangerous I was specifically taught, I was taught the Civil War started as a fight over "states' rights". At least slavery was still mentioned as a bad thing.
@@SadistModeOn For sure, that's a bad thing to be taught, but it's not like the abolition of slavery was the only thing that sparked the civil war, it was more federalism vs confederalism, bear in mind that the states weren't united at this point, and yet Lincoln, who only won in some of the states, had the ability to exert control over all of the other territories that hadn't even become states yet, and couldn't actually vote to my knowledge. So it always seems pretty disingenous to suggest that it was a bunch of whites trying to keep slavery that triggered the civil war, it was really more just their percieved lack of democratic input that led to them to rebel
@@topicalturtle8685 wdym the states "weren't united" we had a literal constitution that created a centralized federal government. It was infact over the states rights to own slaves. The country had been compromising on the slavery issue for years at that point and southern states had threaten to leave if a Republican had been elected because of the Republican stance on slavery. This historical revisionist bullshit is exactly why there's rioting. White people want so bad to forget our past transgressions and the effects they have today.
@King of the Chair "Self hate and Marxist institutions" When making sweeping statements like that, one should be far more specific. When saying that someone's "premises are either inaccurate or suffer from Ivory Tower perspective", one should provide examples and reasoning behind the statement.
That "Free speech does not guarantee you freedom from consequences criticism or protest, because those are, in fact, forms of free speech." was a beautifully succinct summary and needs to be on posters all over the everywhere. (edited for summery -> summary)
@@frankatwood3095 Not what is meant. Neither you, nor I, support the idea that the government should be able to put you in prison for what you say... in fact, that's specifically what Freedom of Speech **IS** supposed to protect you from... that's the whole point. The "Consequences" that it doesn't protect you from is the things you say changing the way other people treat you. When someone says something that causes other people to be outraged and boycott that person or organisation, THAT'S consequences and not a violation of the human right to free speech. When someone says something that the state doesn't like and the state punishes/silences them for it, THAT is a violation of the human right to free speech.
@@violetsapphire952The government placing people in jail for speech is just a consequence though. You were still free to speak in the first place, just not free from the consequence.
38:27 Thank you for the critical mention of pacifism! I’m a pacifist anarchist (or an anarcho-pacifist) and it is extraordinarily important to bring up the fact that being passive and being pacifist are not the same. Assertive pacifism with direct, non-violent action through protest, education, and community aid is certainly not just sitting around and being passive. The state *is* violence and opposing it is peace. While I don’t believe that opposing state violence with violence is going to protect us from state violence, I also don’t believe we can simply sit by and let ourselves be hurt. Stand up, take action, and stay as peaceful as possible.
pacifist anarchist, whahahahahahahahaha looking at how soft your face is I bet you actually believe in this bullshit. I won't be doing anything to you, but I most certainly will grab my pop corn while i watch other people feed you to their dogs.
Turns out, one of the 'best' ways to get people to accept genocide... is to work a situation where you think you were genocided first. This tactic has been used for centuries, but with War instead of Genocide.
What if you are (hypothetically speaking) a member of a minority group that has historically (or recently) been the target of attempted genocide by a dominant group? Does your group have the right to advocate for violence (and in extreme cases genocide) against the dominant group on the grounds of self preservation?
"if I were to break into the house of commons and make my criticisms of the British government very loudly with a lot of swearing then I would expect to be shut down" ... This sentence has not aged well in 2021.
It's aged perfectly well, if you're referring to the murderous fascist riot at the US capitol. The fascists breaking in there should have expected to be shut down there, too. But somehow ... they weren't. But most people agree that they should have been ... at least before anyone died. As much as I'm appalled by it, I hope that at least it illustrated the intrinsically violent nature of fascism that the video discussed to a much wider audience.
@futo nara Pretty sure they chanted that due to Pence not trying to overturn the election for 'Daddy Trump'. Guess you don't pay much attention to things that go against your view.
WAZZA TELEVISION I’m seeing the “did you watch the video” response numerous times throughout the comments. I have debunked the “they aren’t a terrorist group” argument numerous times. And yes I watched the video. Twice. I will gladly debunk it again if you wish.
Sean Donovan I can give you the names of the leaders of Al Queada, ISIS, The KKK, and multiple different Neo Nazi groups. I can give you lists of real life terrorist attacks done on their behalf that have ended the lives of countless people. I could even give you the list of know members names and their collaborators. Name a singular one of those for Antifa and maybe you would have a point.
I always feel a bit guilty rewatching one of Abigail’s pre-transition videos, but I find this video in particular to be an especially useful pedagogical tool that I can’t help but keep sending it to people
@@ElWarto93 I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. Some trans women, myself included, feel uncomfortable with people seeing us pre-transition. I’m not sure whether she’s left this video up because she’s comfortable with that, or if she’s done so because she believes the video’s importance outweighs that discomfort. Since I’m not sure which is the case, I feel a tad guilty at the possibility that the latter is true and that I send this video to people often
@@TransSappho I deal with this by determining that if she left it up bc the important of the video outweighs her discomfort than it undoubtedly should do the same for me Like it’s a choice for her to make and she’s made it, we may as well make it ever more worthwhile by watching it and sharing it so that it’s impact is as great as it can be And this video IS important 💜
I kinda get where you are coming from but I still think that you should not feel guilty for sharing this video. Like you said, she kept the video up, so apparently she is probably fine with people seeing her pre-transition. The message of this video is still valid, which is what counts, in my opinion. Then again, I (as a Cit-Het man) unfortunately don't know many trans people. So I am kinda curious: do trans people look at their work differently when they produced it in their pre-transition phase of their life? Or do you can distance yourself from the fact that you wrote something as a man and not a woman? Be sure, I don't want to offend you or any other trans person, I am genuinely curious. You don't have to answer if this is a touchy subject for you.
@@ElWarto93 hey man im not sure if you're still looking for a response but I appreciate you asking so politely. I think this varies among trans people. For me (trans man), looking at videos of myself pre-transition is kinda like how someone would look back at themselves after they grew out of their cringey teenager phase. Like "oh I used to do those things and dress that way but im a different person now" type deal. I used to make a lot of videos of myself singing, It feels weird thinking that back when i made those vids, i didnt have the same perspective on my gender as I do now. And looks wise, I've changed so much since coming out that it just feels weird seeing that I used to be a guy that wore dresses and had such a high voice. Ultimately I still see them as my videos that I made, but they were made in a phase of my life i have grown out of and no longer identify with.
B D W Hardy Around the time of the Raegan administration a political pundit said something along the lines of "This country has gone so far to the right that you wont even be able to recognise it anymore..."
@@oisinryan150 he did with the example of sending support to Guatamala to support their fascists. The Dollop podcast covered it in their episode about George Bush Sr.
@Jim P Your comment demonstrates to me, that we have very different views of the world and trying to address every single difference would be quite time consuming and simultaneously, unlikely to change your mind on anything. So instead, I'd find it very helpful if you could specifically point out the ill constructed arguments that irritate you in this video. If you could be more specific with your criticism of the points made, a contructive discussion would be more likely.
"Great Replacement" "What about White History Month" "I'm just a race realist/gender critical/rational skeptic" "I'm just proud of my heritage" "All Lives Matter" "I don't want to become a minority in my own country" T O D A Y I S W E D N E S D A Y
Recently as my miniature antifa act I've been trying to get nazi symbolism out of my school's walls and furniture. I always carry hand sanitizer to get rid of sharpie writings and I've been annoying school faculty to patch up walls where there have been swastikas carved in (it worked!!) So far there has been some improvement! really glad that this video exists. :))
tellmeemoar that’s great! Maybe try joining local antifa social media groups too and see if you can help any other ways. Maybe reading some anti fascist literature at your local library or something too, I’m glad you’re so enthusiastic!
I think most of those swatsikas draw on high school or middle settings are done with little cognitive awareness on what it really was and are just trying to be edgy. Out of high school is a different thing though
Martin Armenta sure some may be edgy kids but what about when those kids grow up used to talking seriously about Nazis? And how do you know what is edgy and what if genuine nazi imagery? Why does it even matter their intentions, they’re still hate symbols?
As certain as I am that you will never read this comment, I just wanted to say that as a bearded lady myself, I can clearly see your femininity even in these older videos where you’re hiding it :) thank you for being a source of not only excellent entertainment, but also inspiration!
Here again at the end of the video, I wanted to add a note on the actual content, this video was very informative and well organized, but I couldn’t help but notice the lack of discussion on how facists marry religion and politics and what antifa does/can do about it. This is particularly an issue in present day USA, and was a core part of the rise of the Nazis.
This was a very interesting video. I wonder if you gave any thought to how the term "antifascism" itself has different connotations in different places? I ask this because I am Italian, and when I think of antifascism I immediately think of the National Liberation Committee, WW2 and its immediate aftermath, and our Constitution. Antifascism, in fact, is one of the founding values of the Italian constitution, which was written immediately after WW2 by the antifascists of the time, who had just freed Italy from over 20 years of fascist regime with the help of the Allied forces. I'm saying this because, while Italy right now is in the mist of the right-wing populist uprisal, and some of the same debates happening in the anglosaxon world are all too present, I think it would be difficult to "shift the blame" on antifascists in some of the ways you discussed in the video. No matter your poitical leaning, it is generally accepted in Italy that antifascism is a "good thing" and that without it we wouldn't be the country we are today. I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on this :)
è perché il loro "antifascism" non si traduce propriamente antifascismo (come da noi) ma "antifa", o meglio "antifascist action". Alcuni gruppi italiani stanno iniziando a prendere la denominazione anglosassone tedesca ma in realtà l'equivalente italiano di "antifa" è traducibile nel linguaggio mediatico come un misto tra "black block", "antagonisti" e "centri sociali", che sono tutte delle definizioni spicciole, ma purtroppo questo ci concede la comunicazione mediatica in italia.
@@andrea-md6cm Ma in parte stiamo dicendo la stessa cosa, ovvero che antifascismo significa cose diverse in italiano e in inglese. Perché é vero quello che dici, ma é anche vero che non c'é un significato di "antifascism" che sia wquivalente all'accezione nostra (che io sappia). Quanto ai black block ecc, lí non sono d'accordo, perché quelli sono gruppi di protesta non necessariamente legati al fascismo in alcun modo. Se guardi la voce "Antifa" su Wikipedia, per esempio, lo dice chiaramente: "The ADL makes a point that the label "antifa" should be limited to "those who proactively seek physical confrontations with their perceived fascist adversaries," and not be misapplied to include all counter-protesters."
O_o this is not at all the case in germany. i just realised from your comment that "antifa" could default to be of positive connotation; it absolutely is not here. it think that boils down to a few reasons (that i can think of right now): 1. the term has never been used the way you describe, historically. our values are not stated in opposition of anything, our first constitutional right reads "Human dignity shall be inviolable.", not "The state shall oppose anything that threatens to violate human dignity". in general, opposition often just doesn't vibe too well in our culture (my experience, as all this is), and there are many more or less directly hostile terms to denote opposition. 2. the biggest leftist party in germany today is in the eyes of many a more or less direct descendant from the SED, the only party in the east side of seperated germany, who oversaw among other things stasi surveillance. it is hard to find somebody who would have sympathy for the sed, and even harder to find somebody to openly say so. by proxy, many disregard the lefyist party here, as they see some figures from the sed (less and less over time of course, but the image sticks). As antifa is generally regarded as a leftist movement here (and in a feedback loop, it is more and more, as others dissociate), and so antipathy against left political actors bleeds over. 3. our press love to misrepresent/smear antifa protest (inhowfar it is their fault that this kind of stuff sells is debateable). headlines are even more sensationalist than usual, and that is not unique to tabloids, renowned publishers are often no better, except for their phrasing. so the general negative public image is often reinforced by headlines about a burning car rather than a manhunt against a migrant (well, the car likely belonged to a white middleclass person, which *could as well have been me*, or a lowerclass person who really needed it and who can now be further instrumentalised to argue that antifa hurts the little 'man' and that "we are here to really help you"). and sadly, whether any of what i said here holds any water, heavily right-wing politicians as a matter of fact are much more widely accepted here right now than even moderately left-wing ideas (relative to our center of course, so universal healthcare i.e. wouldn't count as leftist here).
@Jim P Fascists are still very real. Look at the Charlottesville riots, look at right-wing parties that are rising all across Europe. As the video states, they don't call themselves fascists or Nazis (for obvious reasons), but they repeat similar or even the same talking points while often relativizing fascist regimes and their actions. Also, as the video explains quite thoroughly, fascism is not purely defined by its stance on authoritarianism, neither are most antifascist movements. There are quite a lot of classical communists and tankies in Antifa movements, so it would not make sense to them to frame supporters of state and totalitarianism as fascists, just based on these qualities. TBH, everything you say is featured and discussed in the video, so I am just going to assume that either you did not watch it, that you did not understand it, or that you just don't care.
@@OfftopicStuff Yes, unfortunately the general German public has a weird stance on antifascism, especially since the G20 summit in Hamburg. Luckily, the German law and constitution features some built in measures against fascism and has a rather large consensus in the public, so I am not that worried about fascism becoming a real threat here anytime soon (even though I admit, the AfD looks really scary). But it is my experience that the public has a very strong stance against fascism (in my hometown the counterprotest against an AfD assembly was the biggest protest the city saw in the last 70 years I think). Unfortunately, Germany has a rather poor history with both fascism and left wing ideology (DDR and RAF) and centrist opinions dominate the political sphere, which ultimately helps fascism more than leftism or antifascist movements.
I know I started to fall down that rabbit hole. Once people like Thunderf00t and The Amazing Atheist started talking about SJWs and Feminism, I quickly found myself agreeing because "Free Speech" and "but what about", the Drunken Peasants Podcast started having guests like Sargon and what not, and I started subscribing to them, and I was quickly falling down the rabbit hole with no return in sight. Then I started to see how they reacted to LGBT people, especially Trans people, and I started to feel squicky. Then there was a lot of "Hillary must not win", and I went, yeah, I mean, she's not great, but ehh.... and then it came to "Trump isn't that bad" and I finally realized, these people aren't what I thought they were. I think it was actually HBomberGuy that got me starting to really reevaluate things, I had already discovered him awhile back because of his Fallout 3 video, and started looking for other videos, and then he started videos about feminism and things like that. Then I discovered /r/traaaaaaaans which lead me to ContraPoints and /r/CompleteAnarchy, which lead me to Shaun, which led me to this channel and so on and so forth.
In regards to your first paragraph, there's a good reason why Richard Spencer considers someone like Sargon of Akkad an "entry point" into white nationalism, as much as Karl himself would try to deny it.
I had an extremely similar journey. Looking back I am very lucky that I’ve found Channels like HBomberguy and that my path diverged from the Sargons, Thunderf00ts etc.
Ironically, neither thunderf00t nor the amazing atheist, have said anything negative about lgbt, or positive about Trump. I wouldn't put TAA anywhere near the Sargon-type circlejerk at all, and TF has mostly dealt with the Anita Sarkeesian meme. The real rabbit hole is Sargon, which is essentially, as I'd call it, "chaotically conservative". I do think a lot of youtubers on "that side" suffer from PR just because of their association, and their clickbait, though. Tim Pool for example, while still reasonable in his opinions, his controversial clickbait draws in the right-wing circlejerk, and he kinda does that on purpose. Sargon, also used to be very "rational" but has devolved to being the definition of the circlejerk, and his audience has degenerated to the bottom of the barrel and that includes his content. Chris Ray Gun, which shouldn't even be mentioned here, because of his association with some of them, went from being considered a meme commentary channel, to a political right-wing commentary, by many, which is not at all what it is. It's so dumb, because all of them are massively different in their opinions and their goals. As I see it, the problem with that perception, is network effects, combined with clickbait, and ideological immigration from reactionary audiences, making you feel like you're in a tight clique, even noticing the groupthink. That's because many of those RUclipsrs don't tend to dedicate videos to criticizing right/alt-right/fascist things, because either they agree, but also because, ironically, it's _too obvious_ that there's no point in criticizing something _so obviously_ bad as fascists. And hence, since they don't _explicitly_ promote different ideas, and associate with each other more closely, the ideological "immigrants" find a clique they can call their own, even if they're not. I don't even know why I'm typing all this, but I do feel that the network dynamics here, are not to be underestimated, and I don't want to see RUclipsrs thought of differently to what they are.
I don't know if Abigail mentions it in the video, I've only just started watching, but, before I forget, if you're interested in understanding how to identify fascism, I'd recommend reading Umberto Eco's "Ur-Fascism", written by a man who grew up under Mussolini's Italy
It's actually true.. after watching this video and some changing of my worldview from.. well.. facist to not facist.. i have strted doing antifacist work in my area and well.. he was right about these razor blades... watch out! And always use your keys!
Thankyou so very much for this video, (I am a 70 year old female), I found it to be one of the best informative videos I have seen on the subject of Fascism and anti fascism. I know this video was in particular explaining Antifa, but I found it very helpful indeed as it (you) explains very clearly about how governments use the police, and a thousand other things I learnt from this great video, unfortunately I am a struggling pensioner and cannot donate any funds to this channel, but I have subscribed and will tell others, thankyou.
@@fuckamericanidiot If you are radical and in oposition to the state, you will be branded as terrorist, spyed upon by secret police., your posters will be taken down (so no freedom there) and there are already cameras everywhere. Fascism means control of the people with force and fear. Thats already happening.
22:34 I never thought I'd see this mentioned so widely. This event led to one of my best friends in HS committing suicide, as they were said student's partner. I remember vividly my boyfriend receiving the campus alert text while we were driving, marking the point when Scout had been gunned down. I had no idea how much my life, and the lives of almost all LGBT/Left/GA Tech and many others, would change. My grandpa had died a week earlier, and while my bf and I didn't know Scout, we were still shocked and confused. Many of my friends knew them very well, and had been involved in GA Tech's LGBT organization alongside Scout. A few days later, my bf came home with the news that our friend had shot herself in her car less than an hour after walking into a gun show, and purchasing a shotgun. If gun control were a thing, they may have been made aware that she had many mental health issues. The winter following was one of the darkest times in my life, along with my bf. She was one of the first people I came out to, and my bf was her close friend. We all went to the same HS. Several friends of ours were arrested and received felony charges for the protests mentioned in the headline. Alongside all this was the early parts of the Trump presidency and the feeling like this was just the beginning. I'm glad things aren’t as bad as I expected, but I am forever changed. It turned me into a person who actually cares about politics
@@sarahfunaki3884 the person who was gunned down by the police, and the partner of my friend who later committed suicide... in case that wasn't clear lol
@@ryanatkinson2978 Make sure you are strong and don't ever go down that path that your friend took too I;ve been there a few times and I'm honestly glad I'm not good at doing it because I'm still around. but I am also very Happy that I am and However dark life gets just remember what I say now that it will get better , So Don't Do it.
@@ryanatkinson2978 In hindsight if you don't want to don't answer that question cos that was pretty rude too my curiousity does not come before someones feelings. Hugs again my friend.
True story: I live in Latinoamérica and most of my family in every country has dealt with fascism on one way or another. Many Primos, Tios, and Abuelos actually joined revolucionario groups like Tupamaros or Zapatistas. And many of them that joined are dead. I one day want to be added to our Great Wall of revolucionarios, there is much fascism here and it is killing us
Mateo Hyland tienes razón, ninguno de los grupos revolucionarios estaba libre de mugre, sin embargo, lucharon por causas nobles como liberar al país de un dictador despiadado
Could you guys explain the concept of Primos , tios and abuelos? I know its used to characterize familiary relations but I don´t know which would be the equivalent in english.
@@vojislavl6665 anything justifying anitifa will make the viewer less intelligent, so no I do not need to watch the video. Just like I dont need to watch broke back mountain to know it's about gay cowboys.
This was the first Philosophy Tube video I watched, fully expecting that I was the leftmost overeducated white person with a van dyke who found themselves ill suited to life in academia, having given up on transition years before. I watched it when it dropped, my impending homelessness inevitable at that point. Every PhilosophyTube drop since has been eagerly awaited. I'm giving it a watch while doing my nails, getting ready to shoot my first RUclips video, right after I finish typing this comment. FTR: I'm a GenX trans woman who first cross identified at 3, faced "corrective" treatment that left me with cPTSD which I am only now, over the last 18 months since starting HRT, able to overcome and tell my story. I qualify for the DAR through my Dad's side, and Mom was born in Norway in 1943, a result of a pregnancy subject to NSDAP racial hygiene laws. I desisted, for a time. I'm done desisting.
@@Fenriswaffle I mean, technically any political media that argues for a particular view is propaganda to a certain extent. I would argue that breadtube at large is leftist propaganda in various ways, Thought Slime even admits it, openly calling himself a propagandist.
Sorley De Cesare Doesn’t mean propaganda inherently wrong, if we use propaganda in its original sense, then it would simply means information spread to promote a cause.
Another way that the whole "Covid is a hoax cooked up to institute tyranny" claim is BS. What tyrannical government wants to normalize its population wearing masks all the time?
Anyone who thinks the Nazis were socialist because it's in the name, I invite them to move to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. That place must be awesome!
@@KaiRex27 Apparently you just pick a couple things off of the naughty list, and that's good enough. Or do you want to argue about the actual dictionary definition?
"The government used facial recognition to oppress us!" "Okay, so now that you are encouraged to cover your face in public, you should be stoked, right?" "No, masks are communism!" Doublethink in action.
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser doesn't matter if they use facial recognition to oppress, china has cameras and will figure out who you are and where you are at a specific time. Mask does nothing. Need to teleport.
Morality Sheriff why is that? Because you’re trying to counter a very real threat? Oh no! People trying to counter a virus that kills people hurts my feelings!! :(((
@@fusionxtras China makes you carry an ID card with a GPS transmitter inside it now. If don't have your ID with you the penalties are quite severe. In some areas you are taken into a bus and executed by lethal injection.
This has probably been said, but, a good depiction of the friend enemy distinction comes from Avatar: The Last Airbender S3E6 ~19m when Firelord Sozin comes to aid Avatar Roku in quelling a volcanic eruption, but ultimately Sozin ends up letting Roku die as that would further his politics
The more I watch that show the more I realize how great it was. It covered so many topics in a way that a kid could understand them: war, corruption, imperialism, loyalty, poverty, trrsm, etc...
@Adolf Schinkler Adolf, bro, it has been a long time since I watched it :D So perhaps I am just projecting my lower levels of enjoyment for LoK due to all the ideological inconsistencies and the worse screenwriting quality compared to atla and jump to the conclusion that it wasn't as progressive as atla :P, I gotta watch the whole thing again to adequately answer your comment :D Also, I am a composer, I can't spend time watching atla and lok all day, I have cantatas to compose :D
Finished the video, and I must say, you put your arguments very well. Now, I am quite biased because I already agree with anti fascist beliefs, but I really like the points you made and the citations of your sources that brought the video together. Lovely stuff.
Just a quick (nitpicky) note: the "poem" mentioned at 18:37 isn't actually a poem, it's part of a lecture Martin Niemöller started giving while travelling through Germany in 1946, in which he openly spoke about his own early complicity in Nazism and his eventual change of heart. He's quite an interesting character, I'd recommend looking him up if you have the time :)
Never really thought about it but every time I tore down a poster by the far right wing student group at my campus, I was engaging in antifascist action? That's a neat way to look back at that memory.
far right or just right in general? Because chances are, it's just you tearing down the posters of anyone that disagrees with you. You far, far, far, far, far leftists are pretty bigoted like that.
I'm waiting for the chance to run into one of you shit stains. Your not going to like it when we conservatives have had enough of you little pussies. Your hiding your faces isn't going to keep a fist from going down your throat. A few of you used as an example should send the rest of you back to your mammas basement, or your homeless camps.
@@Illumirage > far right or just right in general? Because chances are, it's just you tearing down the posters of anyone that disagrees with you I'm pretty much on the right myself, I usually vote christian-democrat in Belgium. I only tear down posters of far right wingers like you. >You far, far, far, far, far leftists are pretty bigoted like that. I'm on the right you dimwit but I don't like right wing extremists.
@jimmysp4des >let's play a game, you post a link to conservatives attacking people, and I'll post a link to antifa attacking people, let's see who runs out of content first. oh be careful what you wish for. I'll play this game alright. Only violence counts where people are hurt. And I'll amend the rules, not just regular conservatives (I'm a conservative myself in certain ways, especially on fiscla matters). I'll only go for far right extremists. Here's my first name: Anders Breivik
Fascism in place in Assam, India - December 2019(the world is unaware) - internet blocked - protesters died - national media channel not reporting - local media channel attacked by 'forces'
It is one of the most diverse region of the world in terms of languages or cultures.They could not divide us on communal basis. What they did is bring in more illegal immigrants for the in the name of refugees which our bordering state of Assam has to be burdened with. They border security is very poor and everyday people cross the border and come in. No government opposes it as it works as vote banks. Our people are fighting with Satyagraha , the gandhian way of non violence through songs and poetry but everyone is sold out to report, internet ban exists, people feel threathened.
@Steven Hunter31 Did i mention I was in my home state? I was out for work. P.S. Currently internet has been restored and I am using that internet if it helps you.
There are very few RUclips videos I've watched multiple times...this is one of them. While you are preaching to the choir with me, it remains just as engrossing on repeat viewings. With that said, it's the "Today is Wednesday" part that always sends chills through me. The insidious simplicity of it all, is remarkable. There are some brilliant content creators on RUclips that manage to educate and entertain. You sir, are most definitely one of them.
This is several years old at this point, but--if you can bear the expletive--it is totally fucking brilliant. Thank you so much for having recorded it and for keeping it available!
There's nothing brilliant about a book that drops the ball right at the starting line by failing to give the correct definition of Fascism and justifying violence against political opponents based off of the twisted definition that it espouses.
Man, this totally changed my view on anti-fascist action. I was pretty much in the "I sympathize with the emotional impetus behind Antifa, but the methods are unpalatable." camp, but find myself in full agreement with the theory and practices now that I've heard them laid out coherently.
@@JacatackLP He probably paused it immediately on arrival. These people are just here for the comment section. Back in my time we'd have called them "trolls".
I think the whole point of the video was that there is no "general Antifa". It's individual groups that do stuff. Some of it is good, some of it is okay and some of it is bad and they're all done by different groups. Stay critical.
Just finished the video and there is a disturbingly high number of people who just saw the title, clicked, paused the video, left an uneducated comment, and then left.
@Joe Average Because antifa is the pinnacle of restraint and reasonableness. See someone you don't like? Call them fascist and loose the mob upon them. Doesn't matter if they just happen to wear a red hat or if they're just a bystander, they're all nazis who need to be clubbed, right?
@@jeanfrancois8145 Don't need to be brave or strong when you got the numbers. Get couple hundred fanatical idiots who are 100% sure of their self-righteous indignation and are convinced that US is crawling with nazis and you can do almost anything when the mayor tells the police to stand down.
@@the1exnay "Are you saying you're a fascist or anti-antifa or disagree with the video?" Does he have to? Does it matter? Is it relevant? Assuming he is - so what? All he's saying is that you can treat him as such for the sake of the argument. Make a rebuttal to fascism to him as you would were he actually a part of the group. If the argument is weak and flimsy, he may just play the Devil's Advocate and argue on the side of the neo-Nazis - theoretically, his personal affiliation shouldn't matter.
the algorithm seems to be boosting this, so here's a comment to add to it. the more people can be educated about what antifa *actually* is about, the better.
@@jeff86ingsee the part where olly talks about violence as a tactic. olly is very clear to describe antifa as people who are willing to oppose fascism in their community "by any mean necessary" which does sometimes include violence. there's no misdirection here, simply the, if you will, illumination of what exactly antifa represents, from a more analytical perspective than you might see on the evening news
lots of accounts popping up on this and just repeating "antifa bad" over and over. makes me think maybe someone sent their audience over? doesn't particularly matter. the more engagement, the better as far as YT's algorithm is concerned. and given the ratio, seems broad viewers tend to at least see olly's perspective here.
@@jeff86ing i think that's a far more public perception of what antifa does. can't really blame you for it, since most of what they do outside the realm of violence goes unspoken of in news. it's worth mentioning that a lot of mutual aid efforts are staffed by antifa types, and this is one of the big ways it gets around in terms of "recruitment" for demonstrations the SA of the 30s was a militarized security group who focused on providing "protection" for nazi speeches? doesn't sound much like the way antifa operates. i think there's a more sound comparison with MLK's civil rights marches in the 60s, which were also widely criticized at the time for causing widespread property damage.
tenchimuyo69 There are some industrialists whose interests would make reform impossible and letting them continue to have power would be permitting their construction of fascism.
@@captainham1511 I didn't say anything about letting them continue to have power. I just believe the rich and powerful should be given a chance to learn to live like everyone else before we eat them.
I find it funny that whenever an antifascist uses violence, no matter the context, it's *always* twisted into "that makes them the *real* fascist" as if violence and fascism are perfect synonyms. It's that line of thinking that makes actual fascist ideas slide under the radar just because they're wrapped in a superficial politeness.
It's not the violence makes them fascist. It's more the fact that they are trying to use violence to coerce - and ultimately - govern the actions of the people and business they terrorize that makes them an equivalent evil to the fascists they claim to despise. I'm just some random on the internet, but I've had antifa destroy buildings and kill people in my neighborhoods. No fascists around here. Just people that claim to be antifascist. Fat lot of good that does the innocent lives they've ruined.
The poem actually starts "first they came for the communists" and it has been sanitized by american and european interests to cast the soviet state and china in a negative light. Notably, the same game is being played with the word socialist today.
"we call things violent not because they stand out from a background of peace but because they stand out from what we consider normal" shit, so many assumptions to re-examine in my life. Interestingly, this is something i've noticed while debating the Israeli occupation. Somehow the occupation isn't considered as an act of violence but the resistance to it is, particularly in Gaza, where the media consisently portrays Gazan people as the ones who "sparked" the violence despite the blockade, starvation and killings of civillians being acts of violence commited daily. This is it, they simply stand out not from a a background of peace but from what's considered "normal".
@@matthewbarr6685 No it isn't, it's strikingly simple actually, like in every other settler colonialist project there's the victims and there's the opressors. The "it's complicated" is a common Zionist talking point to complicate the facts in bad faith because being the colonialist apartheid side isn't good esthetics.
@@tesso.6193 Zionism tactic eh? Can you please define the definition of the word Zionism for me? Before I engage with you I need to know if you truly know what you are talking about it. Depending on how you answer will tell me just that.
@@matthewbarr6685 it's an ethno-nationalist ideology premised on the idea that Jews are entitled to a "jewish" country (whatever that means) on someone else's land. what happens to that someone else? well tough luck for them i guess. it's settler colonialism time. Since settler colonialism is ...objectively bad...Zionists feel the need to make the conflict seem "complicated" to distract from that essential fact. I'm not saying you're necessarily replying in bad faith, but i've been doing this for a long time and it tends to be '_'
@Tim Evans Very very "watered down"? Are you serious? I guess White Africaaners under Aparheid where only the opressors in a very ******waterd down***** way too. Good job triviliazing Apartheid. This "both sides" narrative is the most centrist thing ever, and of course, you felt the need to bring it up in the context of normalized violence against Palestinians. What Israelis want is a negative peace, one in the abscence of justice because they're the beneficiaries of the status quo and the ones who hold all the powers. What Palestinians want is a *just* peace. The is NO EQUIVALENCE. Here's a clearer image of this society, 79% believe Jews should get preferential treatment over Arab citizens, 61% believe God gave them the land *all of it*, 48% of Jewish Israelis support *the ethnic cleansing of all Arabs* (citizens and non citizens alike), 42% support annexing the West Bank. Wanna bet they don't plan on giving west bankers full civil rights?. These people aren't any less racists than white Africaaners under Apartheid or Americans under Jim Crow. There's no peace with this status quo and to believe the group benefitting from it is serious about abolishing it, while the victims aren't is delusional. There are no "both sides" in any meaningful sense like there wasn't any in Apartheid South Africa or Nazi germany. Unlike what propaganda would like people to believe Palestinians made ridiculous concessions repeatedly, giving up on 1948 borders, security collaboration with Israel, giving up on the right of return for all but 10,000 of the original nakba victims, even giving up on reclaiming the big settlements territory for a fraction of the size in return. So what both "sides"? Where are the Israeli concessions or acts of good will? Israel keeps building settlements fully knowing they never have to give them up, spending BILLIONS on settlements doesn't scream temporary to me. Every "offer" they make includes keeping the settlements AND a military presence, no right of return then blaming Palestinians for not accepting. Israel makes no concessions and doesn't intend to. The only way forward is through international sanctions and a one state solution.
Right? I have been avoiding her older videos just because it doesn't feel right (if you get what I mean) but I really wanted to learn about Antifa and as you said, it does feel surreal.
@@safala Ikr, it feels like I'm doing something inherently wrong, like intruding on her privacy but her videos have always been very educational and helpful to me, even the old ones
too bad your toddler tends to reach a stable predictable height. too bad authoritarianism tends to reach a stable and predictable level of pain and death. too bad the left is better at pain and death than fascists.
@@themadpyro8560 the commie death toll is outrageous. egalitarianism killed at least 80 million people without any war in the last 100 years. i think we dont get this information in public schools for a reason.
dkillips the commie death toll? What about the millions of people who have died as a result of capitalism? Why is it that when soviet people die it’s communism’s fault (even though they weren’t communist) but when Americans die it’s got nothing to do with capitalism?
@@themadpyro8560 you don't understand, capitalism is holy and surely not an organized system by few people who hold power above the overwhelming majority, suppressing them to have a lavish lifestyle and accumulate perverse amounts of wealth, almost like every system which is authoritarian does (regardless of left/right/center positions, just as long as it's authoritarian) So to account slavery and death in the third world or here at home would be delusional, wouldn't it be? If the free market supports systems that are exceedingly better at exploiting people thats just bad luck, right? Irony off: You'll never get a capitslism supporter to take his part of the blame, to acknowledge that the system he supports has a vital interest in being injust and asocial... they just won't be honest with themselves also your argument contains "but what about" which is bad formal structure, you wouldn't need to try and justify our movements misdeeds by other movements misdeeds. It'd be enough to argue that in most of the western the world the communists probably wouldn't reinstate gulags, though the nazis probably would bring back massdeportations and such. Also I'd love to see the communist intellectual who'd argue pro stalins cleansing using communist literature (which wasn't pressed by people who had to suffer under soviet oppression), so to clarify, no, I don't think that Maos or Stalins "Socialsm" was in any way shape or form representative of the movement at all.
Today is a special in my country, argentina, we call it "memory day for truth and justice", it conmemorates the military usurpation of the goverment and rememorates the victims of such a dark period, with the aim of never ever repeat such a tragic process. And the youtube algorithm comforts my heart with this recomendation of your videos
I am most amused by how often Ollie has to open a response to a critical comment with "Did you watch the bits of the video where [I specifically addressed your kneejerk argument, almost down to the exact wording]?" Thank you for this video, sir. Educational and useful. Definitely passing it around.
Yeah I know! I've already commented and have only seen about a quarter of it! Very nuanced and subtle so far, enticing even, loaded with self-righteousness, and deftly skirting issues (so far) of whether the ends justify the means. Can't wait to watch the rest of it!!
I can't believe how under educated I was regarding this subject. I ran into an Antifa cell at my local university a few years back, but never really put much thought into the decentralized nature of local recruitment. I guess I passed judgment based on a few perceived assholes. Thanks for this video! You're quickly becoming one of my current favorite RUclipsrs to watch!
ah yes. Those people who blast loud music so my sister doesn't have to hear loud anti-refugee slogans throughout her neighborhood Not all heroes wear capes
God the high pitched “dogwhistle” sound gives me shivers every time. I fear if things keep going along their current track in America we will start hearing the phrases in this video unironically. The first time I do I swear I’m gonna hear that sound and get those chills.
17:30 - Another fun thing about the "National Socialist" name is that it was chosen by the party despite Hitler's objections - he _hated_ socialism so much he didn't even want to co-opt it by name, but the party's executive committee overruled him!
According to my former history teacher, Ernst Röhm ( sa leader) tended to think more in lines of an actual national socialism, but was liquidated by the ss in an early power struggle. Fascists can't even keep from killing each other when it suits their needs.
@@ArgueWithTheMajority "The Night of the Long Knives." Giant purge of the Brownshirts/SA (stormtroopers) and other unloyal elements. They took out Rohm and Gregor Strasser and liquidated the socialist left-wing of the "Worker's Party" they commandeered. It's an interesting parallel.... "Fascists take over an existing political party.... supposedly campaign on those values, then purge those members." Someone should tell the GOP that particular story.
@@cpeithman999 Thing is, Röhm and Strasser were raging anti-semitic nationalists themselves. The idea that the reason they were removed was because they believed in some authentically socialist and worker-oriented National Socialism might just be a mirage or illusion; it's just as likely that they were murdered because they were seen as a threat to Hitler's power, and the fact that the SA itself answered to Röhm.
I'd just like to thank all butthurt nazis, fascists, paleo-cons and other whiny righties in the comment section for their great work. Without you spending sometimes hours of your lives leaving empty weepy comments here, this video would have never gotten over 2 million views. Great work my involuntary comrades.
@R34L HUM4N Beep boop, comrade, beep boop indeed :D They may be frothing non-sense but 104 comments on this channel alone are truly a stunning testament to your commitment to spread the anti-fascist word. You see: The algorithm doesn't judge. The algorithm doesn't care. It just feeds on your engangement.
@@noradrenalin8062 you are based, antifa saved my neighbourhood from a violent nazi group which had already beaten 2 people. They organized protests made grafities on the fascist hq and finally called the owner of the place they had to kick them out
@Onion Potato i live in spain in the neighbourhood of fuencarral, you can watch on youtube how the police kicked them out, they where on valverde street and they where from the group bastion frontal
@Onion Potato when did triying to stop criminals for making hate crimes and beating and harrasing people on the street became oppression of free speech? Do you know what oppression of free speech looks like? It isnt getting cancelled on twitter or being banned of a social media for saying the nword, oppression of free speech is what happened to my grandfather, who was tortured in prison for being contrary to the fascist regime, or being shot in the street for being a member of a party contrary to the regime. I recommend you to see what your local antifas do, like, actually going to the protest, just as a bystander, and ask them about what they do, if they tell you they are anarchists then they are probably idiots,but if they arent they probably do good stuff. Also, i dont think you watched the video and that's why I'm gonna ask you the following question. What did the author said about what fascism is ? And what example did the author use to say how the media portrays black people (the scavenger example)?
Welcome! Every now and then Antifascists get some news coverage and this video gets a bunch more views! This is an educational resource that I made to help the public better understand these ideas. If you scroll down you'll see that I do my best to engage with people and have a general policy of not removing comments. The vast, vast majority of my replies, as you'll see, are to people who simply comment without watching the video. So again, I would urge you to actually watch it before commenting or you'll only make a fool of yourself! I've no doubt that a lot of people aren't really here to learn or discuss and just want to express their feelings of sympathy with fascism - I leave their comments up and reply to them anyway because I want everyone else to see, and for them to know themselves, that they can't pretend to be rational and sensible or expect to be taken seriously by people who want to use their brains and hearts to better themselves.
I do remove comments that contain slurs, threats, fascist propaganda, or antisemitic conspiracy theories, as sadly all too many do.
Thank you for doing this, have you any idea of the legal impact?
Thanks man.
@Luqman Osman
Fascists don't want to listen. There's no point in engaging with conspiracy theories or racism veiled as science.
Philosophy Tube What The goatie is trying to tell those too young to understand is apparently nazis are everywhere , I do not pretend to know how bad things are in America but I’m sure the goat does , here in the UK however the “ far right “ is something constructed for an agenda the goat knows all too well , division is his message , be warned
My apologies if I went off inappropriately in some comments. I hope they were at least a good read. Tried to be helpful where it seemed prudent. Thank you for your video.
It's like ContraPoints eloquently put it: "The queer quest is to survive. The fascist quest is to be the only survivor."
You poor deluded jackass.
@@nickmagrick7702 To be more succinct than my previous replies:
It's cool, wording things correctly can be pretty challenging on the Internet, especially with how many people are determined to purposefully misrepresent your views.
There are extremists of every standpoint, they don't represent the wider community.
Making sure white people, or any majority, aren't privileged by law is not the same as "favouring minorities".
Peoples right to love who they want and not feel judged is more important than reproduction, because those who want to reproduce still will, and if anything, we could do with a birth rate below replacement rates for a while. There are too many people as it is.
@@nickmagrick7702 Not from me at least. Personally, I don't believe insulting Internet strangers is all that productive. Neither side really gains anything from it. I may have a deep, profound disagreement with the views you stated, but that doesn't mean I should insult you as a person for them.
Plus, if a person is trolling, I find polite conversation is often the best counter.
"everythings so serious now all the time."
said the joker and pressed the button. but we dont need the jewish, christian, muslim batman. we need a secular police, not inquisition/shariah!!!
shit, man, i just started watching that channel. she's fn great!
“We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.” James Baldwin
Alexander Ikaros X=Doubt
Ah, but that begs the question! Are you human? Check all pictures with a bike in it :p
Except everyone thinks they’re oppressed. Calling into question someone’s supposed oppression is not oppressing, it is critique. Most people can’t handle it because victim status is very alluring.
Take me, I’m a queer Arab woman. I have a lot I could complain about but I don’t like giving power over to others to control my destiny keeping me where I am. If I don’t like people or systems where I am, I will move. If I don’t like my life, I will change it.
That quote is dumb, and limits any critique of the individual.
@@MmmMulholland if you don't like giving power over your life to others, this quote is perfect. This is about rights of people like you not being recognised. Remember that quote exists within a context
No not everyone feel opressed. Only the actually opressed people do. Other just like to pretend equality is opression when it robs them of privilèges
@@smile-tl9in "No not everyone feel opressed. Only the actually opressed people do." So when the white nationalists claim to be oppressed they actually are? Or would this be inconvenient for your argument so it doesn't count? "They're only pretending to think they're oppressed when it's a group I disagree with!!!!!!"
"Anyone who wears a mask in public is bad" hits different in 2020
2017: People who wear masks at a protest are likely there to incite some public harm
2020: People who do not wear masks at a protest are likely there to incite some public harm
Good one👍😂
Oh how the turn-tables
Now BURKA is legal
@@mateotrejo7048 It was legal before, but good job being islamophobic.
Mrs. Thorn, I want to say, from the bottom of my heart, I am so thankful you've left this video up over the years. This information and framing is more important now than when it came out.
Is she married??
@@leiasleeping1282 bruh
@@RealFemale69 I’m just confused about Mrs. Thorn...
@@leiasleeping1282i don't think so, that probably should have written Ms
@@leiasleeping1282
😂😂😂😂
No, I don’t believe so
Ms. Thorn 🙏
I got downvoted on Reddit for questioning someone: aren't we all anti-fascists as a standard? No one is on a "meh idc" status on fascists, are they?
Turns out. They do.
This is what disturbs me the most about humanity rn.
"Fascists have a right not to get punched just like anyone else" =/= "I don't care about Fascism."
Yeah but that's like saying aren't we all feminists it has a connotation to people like big red and triggly puff radicals ruin it and I'm just the normal person you could say I'm an LGBT rights advocate but I only have a little extremer than the normal guy
Gray Chapman's Pipe what subreddit?
@@thequester7634 From the evidence I have, the antifascists who are ok with punching nazis without provocation are a minority.
I'm glad you mentioned that liberals can sometimes be sympathetic to fascists.
I think it's starting to stick in people's heads that liberal and leftist aren't the same thing.
That's because they aren't , the true liberals are on the right the left should be called Progressives.
Except for these Dumb fucks
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 The progressivism understander has logged on.
@@NaffiAxx Bro your left is my right in my country. It's not progressive.
That would be me, but I only like them when i'm being forced to hate them.
Hey, you should break up this video with that new sections feature RUclips has since it keeps getting surges of new viewers :)
Looks like youtube finally caught up with the DVD
@@Somefool669 RUclips: -"we have made a groundbreaking discovery; 'SCENE SELECTION'!!"
@Cory Muro Beg your pardon?
@Cory MuroSir, this is a Wendy's.
I’ve used this to some success when arguing ideology and policy:
“In my world, you and I both get to live and be free.
In your world, you get to, but I do not.
And that alone proves you cannot be right.”
Many on the left lack the self-reflection to realize their ideology is authoritarian.
Imma pirate your idea
Stupid logic because this logic depend on your individual perception.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 is it just my subjective to believe that non white people cannot exist in a truly Nazi State?
Beacause thats an objective statement of fact
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 does it?
34:00 "In that case, black skin was a mark of criminality. And from that, it was assumed that a crime must have been committed"
or, as Stefan Burnett from Death Grips puts it,
"Born with a ski mask on my face"
Thank you! That line is one of the most brutal analogies for American racism ever put in a song.
@@GonzoCiosain ayy glad you agree
YUH
- so eloquently put it
bravetherainbow It's delightful how Death Grips manage to work really sharp, sardonic political commentary into such abstract, confrontational songs.
Wait you’re telling me this was from two years ago?
We suck jeez
Birch Tree what
Peanutbudda what groups. Also how have they been "cracking down"
@@jeff86ing No, I havent read about anything to do with facebook recently, although that sounds good.
Lol. Yeah, you really do. Glad you're smart enough to figure that out. That qualifies you for trial membership in the club of truth. We welcome all that welcome truth. This is a smart young man that needs to take a 50,000 ft view because he just said absolutely nothing. What fascism!?
@@jeff86ing All I've seen in the past 2 years in relation to violence and rioting would be antifa and BLM. They still have their twitter and facebook accounts.
I've seen them burn down blk owned businesses, yell racial slurs at blk cops, and threaten r**** to female officers. I've yet to see anything remotely similar coming from the right.
You want to know my last personal experience with Antifa? A couple years ago in CA I deleted 2 of them who were beating up an old blk lady, one with a piece of wood and the other with a pipe....her crime? "Holding a sign that said I love America, Love for everyone".
YOU should be the one looking shit up.
"Also here's a completely unrelated picture of some riot police" killed me
Unfortunate choice of the word "killed"
"and here's a Hindu group in Boston whom antifa labelled as Fascist for being pro-free-speech, at which antifa then attacked a Black woman."
Antifa = anti-capitalist Strasserites, POSING as anti-fash. They even beat up two Latino Marines, whilst the ALL WHITE "antifa" gang called them "b*aners" and "sp*cs". Strasserites hate Hitlerites, but Strasserites are 100% as much a part of the ORIGINAL Nazi Party as Hitler was, and 1920's "progressives" welcomed Strasserites into America (as part of Operation Paperclip, and more), whereupon Soros and other Strasserites joined Dem Party and subverted it from within.
Who was Margaret Sanger, what was her relationship with Hitler, and why does the "liberal, (supposedly) anti-racism" Dem Party still give tax dollars to her RACIAL EUGENICIST org today?
What was George Bernard Shaw's relationship with Hitler, and was he left or right? Is he still accepted by leftist professors today?
What was "progressive" president Woodrow Wilson's relationship with the KKK?
PROGRESSIVES, more than any other Dem Party faction, combine racism and socialism, just as the original Strasserite Nazis did. They still do, trapping Blax into self-destruction, just as SANGER said she admired how Hitler used "Kapos" and "Judenratten" to trap Jews into self-destruction.
...Hillary "I'll only talk to WHITE people" Clinton then called Sanger her "hero".
i’m inherently jealous of someone who looked this good then and still got a glow up lol. it feels so disorienting watching her old videos. we love you abby, thanks for years of amazing content :)
I think you just want it to suck ur dick ay , please keep it focused on the theme being discussed
Yeah very disorienting, I've been watching Abigail's videos for years before she transitioned and I clicked on this expecting her current self and had to do a double take when she started talking. I only then looked and saw that this video was 6 years old.
You're right about the glow up though.
Got a glow up? Hasn't he transed to female or something?
I loved the "today is Wednesday" analogy, and how you used a high pitched noise when it popped on screen to represent a dog whistle, that was damn clever
doesn’t take much to impress you
@@MultiBunnyhunter Sometimes its the little things that a matter to us
I like when he says”I’ll teach you more about White Supremacy later.” I bet he says that a lot.
I personally hated it because of the high pitch noise.
@@Chloroxite I thought I had tinnitus.
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate with that spectrum" Noam Chomsky.
Communism
Daniël V Nobody is saying authoritarian communism doesn’t do that. Lmao. It was very strict toward dissenting opinions. We’re typically always, in this community, anti-authoritarianism of all kinds.
The video draws a line between communist authoritarianism and fascist authoritarianism. The difference between the two is pointless semantics.
Antifa = Fascists
They use anti fascist rhetoric to spread their version of fascism.
Er Yk that is a very inaccurate take on the term “fascism”. Believe it or not it does have a definition and that definition is entirely incompatible with communism or the left entirely. Fascism is the end point of the spectrum for conservatism as communism is the end point of the spectrum for the liberalism.
So to revise your statement:
Fascism is authoritarian
Communism is authoritarian
Authoritarian = authoritarian.
I don’t have the bandwidth to deal with individual sects of each group and how they may or may not meet authoritarianism or how politics is actually more of a square and not a line right now because frankly it is irrelevant.
@@meganaxelia I don't hate fascists, I think they're destructive morons that should be resisted in every way, but I do not hate them.
I think it's particularly interesting how the "Oh, I understand ... it's Wednesday" moment was accompanied by the very British and very benign gesture of tapping one's nose to suggest understanding a thing that's been subtly said, when at the same time, drawing attention to a person's nose is a dog-whistly way of suggesting that they are Jewish. It's a layer of additional meaning that I'm not even sure was intended.
Wow I hadn't realized 0-0
This was one of the more disturbing videos I've ever seen. Thank you. The subject being covered, and the disturbing realities of contemporary fascism, are the reason for the discomfort.
I've saved it in a playlist, and will watch it again. I need to think about what I am going to do with what you've taught me.
Than you again, and please keep producing your videos for many years to come! ❤❤❤
Perfectly put. Watching this I had to pause many times; it's disheartening seeing how organised facists are, and how the general public (usually older people) are stuck on the fact that they're liberal because they want to keep using bigoted antiquated language.
Contemporary fascism isn't Fascism it's why I agree with anti fascist protests and are still a fascist.
@@pckle a state of having perpetual enemies and always both being surrounded and helpless and absolutely right and powerful is fascist speak. Antifascists are just fascist-lite and political ideology being reverend with religious fervor is a massive disgusting flaw in the human experience.
"If I were to break into the House of Commons and make my views known very loudly with a lot of swearing, I would expect to be shut down."
*side-eyes the American Capitol Building*
Aged like fine wine
ABSOLUTELY
but if you are in antifa's side you can set a courthouse on fire and it's still not considered as terrorism. And there I was thinking that attack on federal buildings is a terrorism. Silly me.
@@amrokas that is silly, thats not the definition at all.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 really? Antifa exploded a pipe bomb at a court house in Portland this summer? Where's the outcome? Antifa set a courthouse on fire few weeks ago. Who is talking about antifa's acts of terror? CHOP was a terrorism because local residents were hold as hostages. Why is it only called terrorism when right does it?
Pro state - 😠
Prostate - 😍
Pro-State cancer.
@@MegaBanne only state can make socialism possible, because only state is strong enough to remove capitalism.
@@prkp7248
You can't really think of capitalism and the state as separate entities. What we often call the state is a company. Maybe it is a company ran by the people, a small elite or somewhere in between.
In a fully capitalist society the companies makes up the state, like in China.
Anarchosyndicalists tries to achieve a "stateless" society while achieving socialism.
What method works, works better/worse than other methods and which methods doesn't work I don't know. I guess marxism-leninism was quite the failure.
But I am not educated in economy, social science and all that type of shit. So my words don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
I just think we should go forward scientifically and with an open mind.
I also know where I want to go based on how I value the individual experience of every conscious being.
@@prkp7248 ... Oh and if you believe in Karl Marx then he thought that capitalism would fail eventually for as long as no force such as a government is acting as it's iron lung. This due to capitalism's supposed unstable nature. Maybe the problem is that the governments are backing up the capitalists in times of crises instead of letting them die off.
That's funny, especially since every socialist and communists are for big centralized government that will murder people in hundreds of millions.
the big problem with people using the phrase “peaceful protest” to compare it to current protests is that it implies that the powerless should only have rights with the permission of the powerful, which is a pretty racist opinion
Bingo! The line drawn on what counts as violence is a tool the government uses. Police killings aren't violent because the government did it. Antifa is violent because the government didn't do it.
"Anyone who wears a mask in public is bad...here's a completely unrelated picture of some riot police." 2020 in a nutshell.
@Kerosin Fuchs finally someone with a brain
@Kerosin Fuchs If you want a monoethnic country with a single skin tone, a single static culture, a single language, no refugees and no antifascists, anarchists, anti-patriotic socialists or SJW's and with a lot of nationalism, militarist parades and a big wall for you safety, you go to North Korea!
@Kerosin Fuchs as if North Korea is Communist lol
@@lost1ns0und lol yeah
@@liamnugent5886 hm?
that dogwhistle effect around 55:00 was neat and all but ouch
oh shit, its Xidnaf! good to see our leftist indocrination reaching so many great youtubers
I LOVE YOU XIDNAF
Lol
K Man Why use the echoes?
Like, it seems ironic here, but why?
it'd be /ourguy/ normally
18:35 The reason why the anarchists, communists, and others band together to be antifa is:
Martin Niemoller long version poem is:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
We talked about this in my history class today in the context of imperialism.
@@stellathomas5541
Which University is spinning the above poem, which is about totalitarianism?
Ok, but why are they banding together to attack?
Although I agree with the cause, I am so unconvinced by these kinds of slippery slope arguments. Being opposed to communism, though it's very foolish, is a long shot away from wanting to yeet everyone to your political left, just like opposing fascism does not mean you want everyone to the political right of Sanders to be lynched. The reason all of those band together as antifa is because, for all of their differences, they all agree that fascism is bad.
Fascism is probably the most overused word ever.
That "I love you" comparison is incredibly useful! It's always been hard for me to articulate that.
'Not all anti-fashists wear masks'
- Pre-2020 Olly
Not to ruin the joke but you misspelled facists
@Sundered Soul
"They're face ists!!"
Unfortunately, they're the only ones who have proven themselves resistant to Trump's propaganda, and of course the only reason for a person not to wear a mask during covid is if they're an always Trumper. (Certain medical issues are an exception here)
@@theblandcharlie822 facism is called facism cuse face is the place - it's really punchable ideology, as demonstrated by Richard S.
@San Cambly I think that's the funniest thing thus far commented on this video! Thanks for that man, stay legendary.
"actually it's Police Service now, Police Force was deemed too aggressive" - Sgt. Nicholas Angel
Yarp!
Hot Fuzz is a superb critique of the police state and American glorification of police violence. The entire end setpiece is an action scene where the police don't kill a single person, then fill out paperwork and operate within due process. Angel leans towards de-escalation when possible. Every allusion to cop flicks is critical.
@@egirlSkeletor admittedly, i watched hot fuzz a couple years ago, before my political views began evolving and before being introduced to radical criticism of the police. from my half-remembered vandage point it seems like a half-critical, half-apologetic depiction: sure enough there's problems, but there's a way to fix them from within the existing system.
I'm interested both in whether that was the intended meaning and in whether we could do an oppositional reading that reads hot fuzz as somehow more radical than it was meant to be, and what that might look like.
not that I'm in prime position to do that without watching it again though haha.
any thougths?
@@j.b.aw.6968 the death cult is a true reflection of the inner desires of the neighbourhood-watch class. Any crime including crimes against humanity are justified by such people to maintain a caricature living environment. For example, demanding that a mere civil tort even before judgement should be punished by literal life imprisonment with neither parole nor even ample space to walk and exercise.... I'm not even joking.
@@tricky778 well he murdered Bill Shakespeare
Not just does Hitler criticize socialism in 'My War,' but he also openly admits to using the term to appeal to a certain section of the working class. Of course, those who cry 'but nazism is socialism' are just really really in love with Wednesday, may have actually read the book, and don't really care either way.
He was generally referring to communist socialism.
mein kampf means my fight, not my war
Simons Krasts I believe it’s “my struggle”
So scumbags pretend to be Socialists when all they want is to be in Power ?
How is this different from the left today ?
@@emilyoswin3830 "Kampf" can mean either fight or struggle in German depending on Kontext, you could even extend it to "battle" in some cases, for example we use "Kämpfe" to describe smaller scale fighting in the civil war in Syria.
My favorite Fox News lie is when they said antifa meant "anti-first amendment". And referred to antifa protesters as Biden supporters.
I'm okay with the Iraq war falling under the label of terrorism.
I'm more than okay with that.
I think it's accurate.
I mean... I thought it was a fact?
I'm fine with labeling the US military as terroristic
I'm also okay with calling police terrorists.
i think you just ruined the "it is wednesday, my dudes" meme for me
@@usrfriendly nice profile name.
Linux rule.
Today is Thursday
I always start your videos with a bias that what I'm about to hear is a left-wing, debunk-able opinion. Some videos I disliked in the first half, only to take it back by the end. Your videos always give me this mental pain as I realize that most left-wing political concepts have been straw-maned all of my life.
Ian Williams You’re feeling that pain for a reason. Because you’ve been misled all your life. Fascists aren’t your friend. And leftists aren’t fascists.
Hey, it's happened to a lot of us over here, myself included. Both Olly and Contrapoints have even talked about having this general kind of "anti-SJW" to "full-on leftist" journey themselves
tl;dr - Thanks for not getting triggered, thanks for being honest with your pain, thanks for reflecting on your beliefs no matter the direction they go, that's actually very healthy and pro-human behavior.
From a cognitive behavioral point-of-view (thanks therapy) - emotional pain, like physical pain, is your body signalling to your psyche that something happening to you that goes against the worldview that allows you to be healthy *DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT SHIT NOW!!!* Generally speaking, a healthy mindset (read: a mindset that allows us to be relational to other humans, typically pro-human/pro-social thinking and behaviors) allows us to examine the outside event that is causing us emotional pain, how that event is causing us emotional pain (is it challenging our belief systems? going against our expectations?), and then coming up with a solution that not only resolves the event, but enlightens us as to how to deal with a similar occurrence in the future that will mitigate the intensity of emotional pain again, for ourselves and for second parties - this builds emotional resiliency.
The more I ruminate on the things I learned in therapy, the more I begin to realize (way moreso with conservative/rightwing thinkers, but liberals/leftists can get into this too if they're not careful/thoughtful) that Outrage, Cancel Culture, Name-Calling, Morality Judgments, Cognitive Bias, Strawman arguments, etc. etc. etc. can reliably be chalked up to emotional dysregulation. Triggers (say, misgendering for trans folk, higher taxes for capitalists) are typically keywords or concepts that set off an emotional doomsday snowball-story in the triggered person's mind that makes them think that their very existence is under threat - this is what normally happens when debates/offenses get personal. Your mind tells you to fight (by obliterating the threat with name-calling or death threats, not just keeping it at arms' length), or to take flight (by shutting down the conversation via stonewalling), 'cuz if you don't, *YOU'RE GONNA DIE.* Which is ridiculous (unless you're a lawmaker, or being threatened by those wielding violent power, like cops or muggers), because words alone don't threaten the life of a human; it's these trigger words, these Big Red Panic Buttons in our minds, that set off a reactivity chain reaction in other people who don't have that emotional resiliency or aren't experienced in critical thinking.
If you wish to continue holding beliefs that can be classified as "right-wing," I personally do not agree with your beliefs and I will vote against them in elections and debate, but I'm fine with the act of you merely having them, because at the stage of merely having them, they alone don't threaten my life as somebody slowly becoming anti-capitalist/pro-socialist. But I can only ask that you keep in mind that, when you hear a left-wing, debunk-able opinion, the deliverers of those ideas are trying to deliver them in good faith, only challenging your held beliefs, not trying to literally control your life or your identity against your will *at the point of discussion.* Because after all, whether you re-examine your beliefs or double down on them is completely up to you - you are the one who wields power over yourself.
Honestly when I watch these videos basically none of the statements made surprise me or don't fall in line with what I assumed the left stood for.
And I say that as someone who attacks the left quite often. So my suggestion is that perhaps you are making the same assumptions about the attacks the right are making.
No, that’s called breaking away from polarized thought into alternative narratives. In a pursuit of hopefully individualism, free though and criticism.
I thought and did the exact same way towards right winged channels. To which I’ve now changed.
I’m open to the whole weltanschauung now.
I don’t particularly think I have a political label other than ‘filthy centrist’😂
It's funny how I discovered this channel through it's new content and now I have to watch this old videos made by a completely different person, only to realize they are in fact, the same person. Absolute slay.
I first thought this was a guest speaker....
Was watching this on my way to work, I work at a school in Japan and it happened to be a Wednesday, one of the teachers started to say “today is ....” then paused to remember the word, I helped and said “today is Wednesday” to which she responded “ohhh, today is Wednesday”. Now we are both facist.
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@@thatssofetch3481 Watch the video and all will be explained.
I think your just into nazi-chic its alittle bit different and no where as Innocent.
In fact real facist have to attend Berkley university to be a real facist other wise your just one of thouse poor kids.
@@xaagripha7326 lmao
Hey man,
This video came up on my dash the other day, at almost exactly the same time that local fascists started a huge propaganda campaign: we're a uni town and there's stickers, flyers and posters all over the local campuses, just in time for the new crop of students to show up. I spent the day tearing them down, and getting the word out about it. It's been getting a real response, and other folks are going out there to help out.
I'm not sure I would've done it without this video. I had this idea that Antifa meant black block throwing punches and I didn't know if that was something I had the courage for. Realising that it could be more low-key and domestic was super cool: I tore down posters, and I did some organising. It wasn't exciting or glamorous, but it felt like good praxis and maybe it'll stop some impressionable kid going down the wrong path. I did antifascism, and it's because of you. Thanks, Olly!
be careful when taking down there posters and stickers sometimes the fascist put razor blades behind the paper wear gloves
Yep tear down those posters, wouldn't want someone to do a wrongthink now would you.
@@thescopedogable That was an antifa false flag. The its okay to be white campaigns explicitly state not t o do anything illegal.
@@thenorthowl2033 lol fuck off Fascist
@@thenorthowl2033 Interesting that you bring that up, given fascism's history of actual censorship.
Aaaaand this video is relevant once again
@Robert Allan and we are all the worse for it.
BAHAHAHA it’s a pleasure to be back
@Robert Allan uh oh the Nazis are fighting
Declaring "AntiFa" a terrorist organization = Declaring "Hitler" as the Father of United States of America
@@MH-hv1gf Does anyone have popcorn?
About a year after this video came out I got into an argument with someone where they stated that I had to claim to be Antifa or I was a Nazi (or at least a Nazi-sympathizer, and they did state those were equivalent in their eyes). At the time I was really just starting to understand leftism and anti-fascism and while I opposed fascism (of course) I didn't believe I "was Antifa" because I myself hadn't done anything specifically anti-fascist, and specifically because I had stated that I was a pacifist ( I was still working on how I view violence with politics, this video was part of that). Because of this, this person pointed me to this video (which I had actually already partially watched) and said that if after I watched it I didn't claim to be Antifa I really was a Nazi.
I ,upon re-watch this 5 or so years later, cannot understand why they were so stuck on this, when in the first 5 minutes of this video, Abby's brother ;), explains that it is not something you are, but something you do, and that it is extreme anti-fascism, not all who oppose fascism are antifa.
I've come to really appreciate this video, for helping me understand my own understandings, both the political and the interpersonal.
Like 90% sure most of these commenters read the title, watched about 10 seconds of the video and commented something the video debunked
ngc4594 well it isn't. While there maybe revolutionary communists that are also antifascist that is not a requirement and the goal of antifascism isn't revolution.
I washed more than 10 seconds, but it was clear from the start that the speaker was lying through his teeth.
I don't have to watch all two hours of a flat-earth video or a Vitamin-C-Cures-Everything video to know I won't find any facts in them either--once they explain that I'm not really a Christian if I refuse to accept that the "Round-Earth Theory" is a Satanist plot, I can hit the pause button and go back to listening to music without any worries. And at least Flat-Earthers and Pauling's acolytes aren't advocating a system based on hatred and envy that caused more than 100 million deaths.
(Amusingly, I have better debates with flat-earthers than with socialists. Sure, they occasionally delve into ad hominems or psycho-analyzing, and they'll often jump to hilariously wrong conclusions mixed with a stubborn refusal to understand metaphors--but they're also more likely to try to put together a logical argument (even though they fail) or try to cite science (even when they badly misquote it, like Michaelson-Morley), but they're far, far less likely to devolve into schoolyard name-calling, vicious personal attacks, absolute water-is-not-wet lies, or I--know-you-are-but-what-am-I trolling.)
@@kenabbott8585 I would argue that you _do_ need to watch all two hours of a flat earther's video if you want to be able to say that everything in the video is wrong or bullshit or a lie. Otherwise, you're just baselessly saying it is because the world view you held before you watched the video disagrees. You can argue against specific things when they're presented to you and you can voice that you disagree with someone's position based on what you know of the subject, but you can't criticize a specific argument if you haven't listened to the argument in full.
@@tristanneal9552
I would argue that you have a lot more free time than I do.
@@kenabbott8585 Alright, pick me one lie from the video. Your favourite.
Oh no, my world view, its widening.
How very presumptious of you.
The conservatives aren’t gonna like this one 😳
@Jonas Savimbe very brave of you to look for a brain in these comments
@Jonas Savimbe Pointing out where this video is misleading is a good start after you have watched the whole video of course.
@@anthonytom-duyquang3558 He said " Soros buck communist antifa" xD xD xD SUCH COOL WORDS. Totally destroyed us with that line.
The « it is Wednesday my dudes » meme just took a whole new look
Are we wearing pink?
😳
27:45 this hit home for me. I'm disabled, trans, gay and in an interracial relationship. (I know i'm winning the opression olympics). Whenever someone pretends that my ideology is as much as a choice as a fascists or neonazi is, I feel so powerless because there is a fundamental misunderstanding. I may be able to hide my trans and/or gayness, i can't hide my disability, my partner can't hide his race. We have way less choices and none of them guarantee our safety.
56:45 in Belgium this tactic is often used by not differentiating between different kinds of immigration. We have a huge influx of people from the Netherlands and France each year. It's because we have 3 official languages, of which 2 are widely used (french and dutch). You can also navigate our society quite easily if you only speak English. However, when a white dutch person immigrates to Belgian they are obviously still an immigrant and can be used in immigrant statistics. There was a widely spread headline that said 'more then 50% of babies born in a big city have at least one non-belgian parent'. This makes it sound like 50% of babies are biracial, while in fact the vast majority were white but just had a dutch, french, british or even german parent.
“Oppression “
@@osint_runner shut up
I remember reading in my Abnormal Psychology textbook that in the early 1900s, the mentally ill in the United States were forcefully sterilized to prevent them from "breeding" which made me take a step back and realize that I was never once taught this in school and I was only ever taught that the United States were (almost) always the good guys. Eugenics has a deep rooted history in America and it's terrifying.
@@fuckamericanidiot explains the zero IQ smooth brain that you have :-)
**literally one bad thing happens over 100 years ago**
People like you: "OH MY GOD IT'S GOT A DEEP ROOTED HISTORY, IT'S EVERYWHERE YOU'RE JUST TOO BLIND TO SEE IT!" **puts on tinfoil hat**
Not everything is a conspiracy, yes, bad things happened 100 years ago. That doesn't mean it happens now, does it
The OP was not just talking about not being taught a specific thing, but also the whole "flawless good guy America" narrative.
If we want something dangerous I was specifically taught, I was taught the Civil War started as a fight over "states' rights". At least slavery was still mentioned as a bad thing.
@@SadistModeOn For sure, that's a bad thing to be taught, but it's not like the abolition of slavery was the only thing that sparked the civil war, it was more federalism vs confederalism, bear in mind that the states weren't united at this point, and yet Lincoln, who only won in some of the states, had the ability to exert control over all of the other territories that hadn't even become states yet, and couldn't actually vote to my knowledge. So it always seems pretty disingenous to suggest that it was a bunch of whites trying to keep slavery that triggered the civil war, it was really more just their percieved lack of democratic input that led to them to rebel
@@topicalturtle8685 wdym the states "weren't united" we had a literal constitution that created a centralized federal government. It was infact over the states rights to own slaves. The country had been compromising on the slavery issue for years at that point and southern states had threaten to leave if a Republican had been elected because of the Republican stance on slavery. This historical revisionist bullshit is exactly why there's rioting. White people want so bad to forget our past transgressions and the effects they have today.
"restoring past glory to make a glorious future" in other words... making their country great again??
@King of the Chair "Self hate and Marxist institutions" When making sweeping statements like that, one should be far more specific. When saying that someone's "premises are either inaccurate or suffer from Ivory Tower perspective", one should provide examples and reasoning behind the statement.
@King of the Chair
I am not a racist so I don't hate myself
That's why he said it,
@King of the Chair Have you, perhaps, considered that _you_ are misinformed, instead? 🤔
@King of the Chair
Even more wrong than before.
Not sure I'd be proud of that one, my dude.
That "Free speech does not guarantee you freedom from consequences criticism or protest, because those are, in fact, forms of free speech." was a beautifully succinct summary and needs to be on posters all over the everywhere.
(edited for summery -> summary)
*Government puts you in jail for political reasons* Leftist: "Free speech does not guarantee you freedom from consequences"
@@frankatwood3095 Not what is meant. Neither you, nor I, support the idea that the government should be able to put you in prison for what you say... in fact, that's specifically what Freedom of Speech **IS** supposed to protect you from... that's the whole point.
The "Consequences" that it doesn't protect you from is the things you say changing the way other people treat you. When someone says something that causes other people to be outraged and boycott that person or organisation, THAT'S consequences and not a violation of the human right to free speech.
When someone says something that the state doesn't like and the state punishes/silences them for it, THAT is a violation of the human right to free speech.
@GOOGLE ACOUNT Free speech is in relation to society, it is not limited to the government.
@@violetsapphire952The government placing people in jail for speech is just a consequence though. You were still free to speak in the first place, just not free from the consequence.
@@frankatwood3095 Sure, if you want to think that way. I don't.
38:27 Thank you for the critical mention of pacifism! I’m a pacifist anarchist (or an anarcho-pacifist) and it is extraordinarily important to bring up the fact that being passive and being pacifist are not the same. Assertive pacifism with direct, non-violent action through protest, education, and community aid is certainly not just sitting around and being passive. The state *is* violence and opposing it is peace. While I don’t believe that opposing state violence with violence is going to protect us from state violence, I also don’t believe we can simply sit by and let ourselves be hurt. Stand up, take action, and stay as peaceful as possible.
Apparently burning buildings is very anti fascist.
pacifist anarchist, whahahahahahahahaha looking at how soft your face is I bet you actually believe in this bullshit. I won't be doing anything to you, but I most certainly will grab my pop corn while i watch other people feed you to their dogs.
@@miotyuori7331 this comment has caused me to decide to shoot my boss. Ty.
Turns out, one of the 'best' ways to get people to accept genocide... is to work a situation where you think you were genocided first. This tactic has been used for centuries, but with War instead of Genocide.
Also where you think you're *about* to be genocided
What if you are (hypothetically speaking) a member of a minority group that has historically (or recently) been the target of attempted genocide by a dominant group? Does your group have the right to advocate for violence (and in extreme cases genocide) against the dominant group on the grounds of self preservation?
it also has been used a century ago, for genocides
Or to be paid by Soros.
@@무군 No it doesn't. Legitimate defense is when you are attacked, not when you have been attacked sometimes in the history.
"if I were to break into the house of commons and make my criticisms of the British government very loudly with a lot of swearing then I would expect to be shut down"
... This sentence has not aged well in 2021.
It's aged perfectly well, if you're referring to the murderous fascist riot at the US capitol. The fascists breaking in there should have expected to be shut down there, too. But somehow ... they weren't. But most people agree that they should have been ... at least before anyone died. As much as I'm appalled by it, I hope that at least it illustrated the intrinsically violent nature of fascism that the video discussed to a much wider audience.
@futo nara Pretty sure they chanted that due to Pence not trying to overturn the election for 'Daddy Trump'. Guess you don't pay much attention to things that go against your view.
Well, this aged like a fine wine.
Social Media Lich watch the video
@Social Media Lich How can antifa be classified as a "terrorist organisation" when there exists no organisation called antifa?
WAZZA TELEVISION I’m seeing the “did you watch the video” response numerous times throughout the comments. I have debunked the “they aren’t a terrorist group” argument numerous times. And yes I watched the video. Twice. I will gladly debunk it again if you wish.
@@thethoughtcriminal7374 do it
Sean Donovan I can give you the names of the leaders of Al Queada, ISIS, The KKK, and multiple different Neo Nazi groups. I can give you lists of real life terrorist attacks done on their behalf that have ended the lives of countless people. I could even give you the list of know members names and their collaborators. Name a singular one of those for Antifa and maybe you would have a point.
I always feel a bit guilty rewatching one of Abigail’s pre-transition videos, but I find this video in particular to be an especially useful pedagogical tool that I can’t help but keep sending it to people
Why is that? Why would you judge the work of somebody differently based on their gender identity?
@@ElWarto93 I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. Some trans women, myself included, feel uncomfortable with people seeing us pre-transition. I’m not sure whether she’s left this video up because she’s comfortable with that, or if she’s done so because she believes the video’s importance outweighs that discomfort. Since I’m not sure which is the case, I feel a tad guilty at the possibility that the latter is true and that I send this video to people often
@@TransSappho
I deal with this by determining that if she left it up bc the important of the video outweighs her discomfort than it undoubtedly should do the same for me
Like it’s a choice for her to make and she’s made it, we may as well make it ever more worthwhile by watching it and sharing it so that it’s impact is as great as it can be
And this video IS important 💜
I kinda get where you are coming from but I still think that you should not feel guilty for sharing this video. Like you said, she kept the video up, so apparently she is probably fine with people seeing her pre-transition. The message of this video is still valid, which is what counts, in my opinion.
Then again, I (as a Cit-Het man) unfortunately don't know many trans people. So I am kinda curious: do trans people look at their work differently when they produced it in their pre-transition phase of their life? Or do you can distance yourself from the fact that you wrote something as a man and not a woman?
Be sure, I don't want to offend you or any other trans person, I am genuinely curious. You don't have to answer if this is a touchy subject for you.
@@ElWarto93 hey man im not sure if you're still looking for a response but I appreciate you asking so politely. I think this varies among trans people. For me (trans man), looking at videos of myself pre-transition is kinda like how someone would look back at themselves after they grew out of their cringey teenager phase. Like "oh I used to do those things and dress that way but im a different person now" type deal. I used to make a lot of videos of myself singing, It feels weird thinking that back when i made those vids, i didnt have the same perspective on my gender as I do now. And looks wise, I've changed so much since coming out that it just feels weird seeing that I used to be a guy that wore dresses and had such a high voice. Ultimately I still see them as my videos that I made, but they were made in a phase of my life i have grown out of and no longer identify with.
"That's right
The Reagan administration."
B D W Hardy
Around the time of the Raegan administration a political pundit said something along the lines of
"This country has gone so far to the right that you wont even be able to recognise it anymore..."
@@johnnyscifi It's RIDICULOUS how far right( no, not that "far" right) the political discourse in America has gone.
I thought it was bush with the whole doing 911 thing
Would have been nice if he had actually backed that up, at all
@@oisinryan150 he did with the example of sending support to Guatamala to support their fascists. The Dollop podcast covered it in their episode about George Bush Sr.
That "Oh, I get it. Today's Wednesday" sent chills down my spine.
I am confused, is he talking about the frog meme?
It is Wednesday my dudes
@@lukethedukea380 He's talking about all fascist code / dog whistles. That would include pepe.
@Jim P Your comment demonstrates to me, that we have very different views of the world and trying to address every single difference would be quite time consuming and simultaneously, unlikely to change your mind on anything. So instead, I'd find it very helpful if you could specifically point out the ill constructed arguments that irritate you in this video. If you could be more specific with your criticism of the points made, a contructive discussion would be more likely.
"Great Replacement" "What about White History Month" "I'm just a race realist/gender critical/rational skeptic" "I'm just proud of my heritage" "All Lives Matter" "I don't want to become a minority in my own country" T O D A Y I S W E D N E S D A Y
Recently as my miniature antifa act I've been trying to get nazi symbolism out of my school's walls and furniture. I always carry hand sanitizer to get rid of sharpie writings and I've been annoying school faculty to patch up walls where there have been swastikas carved in (it worked!!) So far there has been some improvement! really glad that this video exists. :))
tellmeemoar that’s great! Maybe try joining local antifa social media groups too and see if you can help any other ways. Maybe reading some anti fascist literature at your local library or something too, I’m glad you’re so enthusiastic!
I think most of those swatsikas draw on high school or middle settings are done with little cognitive awareness on what it really was and are just trying to be edgy. Out of high school is a different thing though
Martin Armenta sure some may be edgy kids but what about when those kids grow up used to talking seriously about Nazis? And how do you know what is edgy and what if genuine nazi imagery? Why does it even matter their intentions, they’re still hate symbols?
Genessa again I said once out of high school it is completely different matter, by then one should be well aware of the atrocity that is fascism.
Martin Armenta you give too little credit towards high school students.
As certain as I am that you will never read this comment, I just wanted to say that as a bearded lady myself, I can clearly see your femininity even in these older videos where you’re hiding it :) thank you for being a source of not only excellent entertainment, but also inspiration!
Here again at the end of the video, I wanted to add a note on the actual content, this video was very informative and well organized, but I couldn’t help but notice the lack of discussion on how facists marry religion and politics and what antifa does/can do about it. This is particularly an issue in present day USA, and was a core part of the rise of the Nazis.
"Anyone who wears a mask in public is bad"
Everyone in 2020: "are we a joke to you?"
Lol 😆
YES YOU DEFINITELY ARE!!
Yes, you are. Please wake up. It’s sad at this point.
@@hailee5219 oh huh I forgot that caring about and protecting other people by mildly inconveniencing myself was "sad"
@@DK-1474 You're not protecting anyone. Your mask doesn't stop anything from spreading. It is a method of control.
This was a very interesting video. I wonder if you gave any thought to how the term "antifascism" itself has different connotations in different places? I ask this because I am Italian, and when I think of antifascism I immediately think of the National Liberation Committee, WW2 and its immediate aftermath, and our Constitution. Antifascism, in fact, is one of the founding values of the Italian constitution, which was written immediately after WW2 by the antifascists of the time, who had just freed Italy from over 20 years of fascist regime with the help of the Allied forces. I'm saying this because, while Italy right now is in the mist of the right-wing populist uprisal, and some of the same debates happening in the anglosaxon world are all too present, I think it would be difficult to "shift the blame" on antifascists in some of the ways you discussed in the video. No matter your poitical leaning, it is generally accepted in Italy that antifascism is a "good thing" and that without it we wouldn't be the country we are today. I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on this :)
è perché il loro "antifascism" non si traduce propriamente antifascismo (come da noi) ma "antifa", o meglio "antifascist action". Alcuni gruppi italiani stanno iniziando a prendere la denominazione anglosassone tedesca ma in realtà l'equivalente italiano di "antifa" è traducibile nel linguaggio mediatico come un misto tra "black block", "antagonisti" e "centri sociali", che sono tutte delle definizioni spicciole, ma purtroppo questo ci concede la comunicazione mediatica in italia.
@@andrea-md6cm Ma in parte stiamo dicendo la stessa cosa, ovvero che antifascismo significa cose diverse in italiano e in inglese. Perché é vero quello che dici, ma é anche vero che non c'é un significato di "antifascism" che sia wquivalente all'accezione nostra (che io sappia). Quanto ai black block ecc, lí non sono d'accordo, perché quelli sono gruppi di protesta non necessariamente legati al fascismo in alcun modo. Se guardi la voce "Antifa" su Wikipedia, per esempio, lo dice chiaramente: "The ADL makes a point that the label "antifa" should be limited to "those who proactively seek physical confrontations with their perceived fascist adversaries," and not be misapplied to include all counter-protesters."
O_o this is not at all the case in germany. i just realised from your comment that "antifa" could default to be of positive connotation; it absolutely is not here. it think that boils down to a few reasons (that i can think of right now):
1. the term has never been used the way you describe, historically. our values are not stated in opposition of anything, our first constitutional right reads "Human dignity shall be inviolable.", not "The state shall oppose anything that threatens to violate human dignity". in general, opposition often just doesn't vibe too well in our culture (my experience, as all this is), and there are many more or less directly hostile terms to denote opposition.
2. the biggest leftist party in germany today is in the eyes of many a more or less direct descendant from the SED, the only party in the east side of seperated germany, who oversaw among other things stasi surveillance. it is hard to find somebody who would have sympathy for the sed, and even harder to find somebody to openly say so. by proxy, many disregard the lefyist party here, as they see some figures from the sed (less and less over time of course, but the image sticks).
As antifa is generally regarded as a leftist movement here (and in a feedback loop, it is more and more, as others dissociate), and so antipathy against left political actors bleeds over.
3. our press love to misrepresent/smear antifa protest (inhowfar it is their fault that this kind of stuff sells is debateable). headlines are even more sensationalist than usual, and that is not unique to tabloids, renowned publishers are often no better, except for their phrasing.
so the general negative public image is often reinforced by headlines about a burning car rather than a manhunt against a migrant (well, the car likely belonged to a white middleclass person, which *could as well have been me*, or a lowerclass person who really needed it and who can now be further instrumentalised to argue that antifa hurts the little 'man' and that "we are here to really help you").
and sadly, whether any of what i said here holds any water, heavily right-wing politicians as a matter of fact are much more widely accepted here right now than even moderately left-wing ideas (relative to our center of course, so universal healthcare i.e. wouldn't count as leftist here).
@Jim P Fascists are still very real. Look at the Charlottesville riots, look at right-wing parties that are rising all across Europe. As the video states, they don't call themselves fascists or Nazis (for obvious reasons), but they repeat similar or even the same talking points while often relativizing fascist regimes and their actions.
Also, as the video explains quite thoroughly, fascism is not purely defined by its stance on authoritarianism, neither are most antifascist movements. There are quite a lot of classical communists and tankies in Antifa movements, so it would not make sense to them to frame supporters of state and totalitarianism as fascists, just based on these qualities. TBH, everything you say is featured and discussed in the video, so I am just going to assume that either you did not watch it, that you did not understand it, or that you just don't care.
@@OfftopicStuff Yes, unfortunately the general German public has a weird stance on antifascism, especially since the G20 summit in Hamburg. Luckily, the German law and constitution features some built in measures against fascism and has a rather large consensus in the public, so I am not that worried about fascism becoming a real threat here anytime soon (even though I admit, the AfD looks really scary). But it is my experience that the public has a very strong stance against fascism (in my hometown the counterprotest against an AfD assembly was the biggest protest the city saw in the last 70 years I think). Unfortunately, Germany has a rather poor history with both fascism and left wing ideology (DDR and RAF) and centrist opinions dominate the political sphere, which ultimately helps fascism more than leftism or antifascist movements.
I know I started to fall down that rabbit hole. Once people like Thunderf00t and The Amazing Atheist started talking about SJWs and Feminism, I quickly found myself agreeing because "Free Speech" and "but what about", the Drunken Peasants Podcast started having guests like Sargon and what not, and I started subscribing to them, and I was quickly falling down the rabbit hole with no return in sight.
Then I started to see how they reacted to LGBT people, especially Trans people, and I started to feel squicky. Then there was a lot of "Hillary must not win", and I went, yeah, I mean, she's not great, but ehh.... and then it came to "Trump isn't that bad" and I finally realized, these people aren't what I thought they were.
I think it was actually HBomberGuy that got me starting to really reevaluate things, I had already discovered him awhile back because of his Fallout 3 video, and started looking for other videos, and then he started videos about feminism and things like that. Then I discovered /r/traaaaaaaans which lead me to ContraPoints and /r/CompleteAnarchy, which lead me to Shaun, which led me to this channel and so on and so forth.
In regards to your first paragraph, there's a good reason why Richard Spencer considers someone like Sargon of Akkad an "entry point" into white nationalism, as much as Karl himself would try to deny it.
I had an extremely similar journey. Looking back I am very lucky that I’ve found Channels like HBomberguy and that my path diverged from the Sargons, Thunderf00ts etc.
I had a similar journey, though I'm embarrassed to admit I'm in my late 30's and that it took me so long to to turn away from the "rationals".
Ironically, neither thunderf00t nor the amazing atheist, have said anything negative about lgbt, or positive about Trump. I wouldn't put TAA anywhere near the Sargon-type circlejerk at all, and TF has mostly dealt with the Anita Sarkeesian meme. The real rabbit hole is Sargon, which is essentially, as I'd call it, "chaotically conservative".
I do think a lot of youtubers on "that side" suffer from PR just because of their association, and their clickbait, though. Tim Pool for example, while still reasonable in his opinions, his controversial clickbait draws in the right-wing circlejerk, and he kinda does that on purpose. Sargon, also used to be very "rational" but has devolved to being the definition of the circlejerk, and his audience has degenerated to the bottom of the barrel and that includes his content. Chris Ray Gun, which shouldn't even be mentioned here, because of his association with some of them, went from being considered a meme commentary channel, to a political right-wing commentary, by many, which is not at all what it is. It's so dumb, because all of them are massively different in their opinions and their goals.
As I see it, the problem with that perception, is network effects, combined with clickbait, and ideological immigration from reactionary audiences, making you feel like you're in a tight clique, even noticing the groupthink. That's because many of those RUclipsrs don't tend to dedicate videos to criticizing right/alt-right/fascist things, because either they agree, but also because, ironically, it's _too obvious_ that there's no point in criticizing something _so obviously_ bad as fascists. And hence, since they don't _explicitly_ promote different ideas, and associate with each other more closely, the ideological "immigrants" find a clique they can call their own, even if they're not.
I don't even know why I'm typing all this, but I do feel that the network dynamics here, are not to be underestimated, and I don't want to see RUclipsrs thought of differently to what they are.
So you changed one rabbit hole for another?
I don't know if Abigail mentions it in the video, I've only just started watching, but, before I forget, if you're interested in understanding how to identify fascism, I'd recommend reading Umberto Eco's "Ur-Fascism", written by a man who grew up under Mussolini's Italy
Razor blades in posters? What kinda world do we live in?
hiding razorblades under nazi stickers has been a thing for decades. nothing new but indubitably screwed up. always use a scraper. ;)
a divided one :/
It's actually true.. after watching this video and some changing of my worldview from.. well.. facist to not facist.. i have strted doing antifacist work in my area and well.. he was right about these razor blades... watch out! And always use your keys!
@Guacamole Nigga Penis By itself it doesn't, but it is better than continuing fascist actions.
San Cambly luv did u even watch the video.
Thankyou so very much for this video, (I am a 70 year old female), I found it to be one of the best informative videos I have seen on the subject of Fascism and anti fascism. I know this video was in particular explaining Antifa, but I found it very helpful indeed as it (you) explains very clearly about how governments use the police, and a thousand other things I learnt from this great video, unfortunately I am a struggling pensioner and cannot donate any funds to this channel, but I have subscribed and will tell others, thankyou.
Thank you for being awesome :D
HayJulie! Loved your comment
Wonderful! You never stop learning. Take care!
Grandma getting real educated. Glad to see this video reaches out to even you and people like you.
Welcome sister!
Also, antifa also oppose things that are not commonly described as fascistic, for example the growing amount of surveillance...
I'm sorry but I like my privacy.
@@fuckamericanidiot If you are radical and in oposition to the state, you will be branded as terrorist, spyed upon by secret police., your posters will be taken down (so no freedom there) and there are already cameras everywhere. Fascism means control of the people with force and fear. Thats already happening.
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I never thought I'd see this mentioned so widely. This event led to one of my best friends in HS committing suicide, as they were said student's partner. I remember vividly my boyfriend receiving the campus alert text while we were driving, marking the point when Scout had been gunned down. I had no idea how much my life, and the lives of almost all LGBT/Left/GA Tech and many others, would change. My grandpa had died a week earlier, and while my bf and I didn't know Scout, we were still shocked and confused. Many of my friends knew them very well, and had been involved in GA Tech's LGBT organization alongside Scout.
A few days later, my bf came home with the news that our friend had shot herself in her car less than an hour after walking into a gun show, and purchasing a shotgun. If gun control were a thing, they may have been made aware that she had many mental health issues. The winter following was one of the darkest times in my life, along with my bf. She was one of the first people I came out to, and my bf was her close friend. We all went to the same HS. Several friends of ours were arrested and received felony charges for the protests mentioned in the headline. Alongside all this was the early parts of the Trump presidency and the feeling like this was just the beginning. I'm glad things aren’t as bad as I expected, but I am forever changed. It turned me into a person who actually cares about politics
Who the fuck is scout ?
@@sarahfunaki3884 the person who was gunned down by the police, and the partner of my friend who later committed suicide... in case that wasn't clear lol
@@ryanatkinson2978 Make sure you are strong and don't ever go down that path that your friend took too I;ve been there a few times and I'm honestly glad I'm not good at doing it because I'm still around. but I am also very Happy that I am and However dark life gets just remember what I say now that it will get better , So Don't Do it.
@@ryanatkinson2978 In hindsight if you don't want to don't answer that question cos that was pretty rude too my curiousity does not come before someones feelings. Hugs again my friend.
@@sarahfunaki3884 I'm sure whatever you're trying to say makes perfect sense in your head
That literal dog whistle in the section about rebranding was a solid touch
@bearjew its literally a dog whistle didn't you know. Like an actual dog whistle, that only dogs can hear. A physical whistle you hold. LIteRaLlY
I got unnerved because I thought my tinnitus was getting worse and then it stopped and I realized what was going on. Hah. Clever.
not a fan. that hurt, and generally, causing pain to your audience is a negative.
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timestamp? im dumb lol
True story: I live in Latinoamérica and most of my family in every country has dealt with fascism on one way or another. Many Primos, Tios, and Abuelos actually joined revolucionario groups like Tupamaros or Zapatistas. And many of them that joined are dead. I one day want to be added to our Great Wall of revolucionarios, there is much fascism here and it is killing us
ninguno de los grupos revolucionarios del pasado esta libre de mugre, no los deifiques.
Mateo Hyland tienes razón, ninguno de los grupos revolucionarios estaba libre de mugre, sin embargo, lucharon por causas nobles como liberar al país de un dictador despiadado
Sounds like a wall built of skulls cemented by idealistic bullshit
Could you guys explain the concept of Primos , tios and abuelos? I know its used to characterize familiary relations but I don´t know which would be the equivalent in english.
WizoIstGott primo is cousin tío is uncle abuelo is grandparent. Switch the “o” to an “a” for a women
2020 oof
Bunch of losers in their mothers basement blaming everyone but themselves. Fascism="antifa"
^Fascist apologist warning.^
Convenient fake intellectuals just feed the losers the tactics and propaganda then disavow the results.
@@trumpwon20204 you the type to comment without watching the video, hey??
@@vojislavl6665 anything justifying anitifa will make the viewer less intelligent, so no I do not need to watch the video. Just like I dont need to watch broke back mountain to know it's about gay cowboys.
This was the first Philosophy Tube video I watched, fully expecting that I was the leftmost overeducated white person with a van dyke who found themselves ill suited to life in academia, having given up on transition years before. I watched it when it dropped, my impending homelessness inevitable at that point. Every PhilosophyTube drop since has been eagerly awaited. I'm giving it a watch while doing my nails, getting ready to shoot my first RUclips video, right after I finish typing this comment.
FTR: I'm a GenX trans woman who first cross identified at 3, faced "corrective" treatment that left me with cPTSD which I am only now, over the last 18 months since starting HRT, able to overcome and tell my story. I qualify for the DAR through my Dad's side, and Mom was born in Norway in 1943, a result of a pregnancy subject to NSDAP racial hygiene laws. I desisted, for a time. I'm done desisting.
you are one tough damn soldier, keep on marching!
Any update on that video?
It's funny how we just got a primer on how to recognize and disregard propaganda in the video, and it is ALL OVER the comments section.
It’s good practise :)
IKR
@300bpm For the sake of my curiosity, in what way would you say it is propaganda? Would be nice to have concrete example/citations.
@@Fenriswaffle I mean, technically any political media that argues for a particular view is propaganda to a certain extent. I would argue that breadtube at large is leftist propaganda in various ways, Thought Slime even admits it, openly calling himself a propagandist.
Sorley De Cesare Doesn’t mean propaganda inherently wrong, if we use propaganda in its original sense, then it would simply means information spread to promote a cause.
"anyone who wears a mask in public is bad" THAT DID NOT AGE WELL
in more ways then one... 2020 is a trip
Still true
Another way that the whole "Covid is a hoax cooked up to institute tyranny" claim is BS.
What tyrannical government wants to normalize its population wearing masks all the time?
@@dynamicworlds1 it's to dehumanize everyone to each other. Makes it easier for people to cross the line
@@TimLevi tyrannical governments want their police masked and their civilians easily identifiable by sight.
My favorite part is the literal dog whistle during dog whistles.
That really hurt.
This genuinely gave me permanent tinitus...
Watched this a full year after initially watching it and forgot about that particular section. Ow, my ears.
Anyone who thinks the Nazis were socialist because it's in the name, I invite them to move to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. That place must be awesome!
And yet so many of you think Antifa is just anyone who opposes Fascism. The irony.
@@birb5003 define fascism
@@KaiRex27 Apparently you just pick a couple things off of the naughty list, and that's good enough.
Or do you want to argue about the actual dictionary definition?
@@birb5003 using the dictionary to define political ideologies is an appeal to definition fallacy
@@KaiRex27 lol, asking you a question is too much for you.
"Anyone who wears a mask in public is bad."
Koreans and Japanese people: "Are we a joke to you."
"The government used facial recognition to oppress us!"
"Okay, so now that you are encouraged to cover your face in public, you should be stoked, right?"
"No, masks are communism!"
Doublethink in action.
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser doesn't matter if they use facial recognition to oppress, china has cameras and will figure out who you are and where you are at a specific time. Mask does nothing. Need to teleport.
If you wear a mask you're a joke to me.
Morality Sheriff why is that? Because you’re trying to counter a very real threat? Oh no! People trying to counter a virus that kills people hurts my feelings!! :(((
@@fusionxtras China makes you carry an ID card with a GPS transmitter inside it now. If don't have your ID with you the penalties are quite severe. In some areas you are taken into a bus and executed by lethal injection.
This has probably been said, but, a good depiction of the friend enemy distinction comes from Avatar: The Last Airbender S3E6 ~19m when Firelord Sozin comes to aid Avatar Roku in quelling a volcanic eruption, but ultimately Sozin ends up letting Roku die as that would further his politics
Hell yeah! I never even thought of it like that. It really is perfect, because they were supposed to be childhood best friends too
The more I watch that show the more I realize how great it was. It covered so many topics in a way that a kid could understand them: war, corruption, imperialism, loyalty, poverty, trrsm, etc...
@Adolf Schinkler Yet LoK goes about it in a neoliberal way, which i didn't like :(
@Adolf Schinkler Adolf, bro, it has been a long time since I watched it :D So perhaps I am just projecting my lower levels of enjoyment for LoK due to all the ideological inconsistencies and the worse screenwriting quality compared to atla and jump to the conclusion that it wasn't as progressive as atla :P, I gotta watch the whole thing again to adequately answer your comment :D Also, I am a composer, I can't spend time watching atla and lok all day, I have cantatas to compose :D
Johann Sebastian Bach did you hear what recently hit netflix
The ringing gave me a headache, but the "today is Wednesday" bit is very clever indeed. Very nice video. I should show this to my dad.
Finished the video, and I must say, you put your arguments very well. Now, I am quite biased because I already agree with anti fascist beliefs, but I really like the points you made and the citations of your sources that brought the video together. Lovely stuff.
The ringing got me like 'crap, is my tinnitus acting up?' and then I paused the video and could only hear the usual ringing in my ears
If dad is a veteran remind him that that was the purpose of his military service. At least supposedly.
Just a quick (nitpicky) note: the "poem" mentioned at 18:37 isn't actually a poem, it's part of a lecture Martin Niemöller started giving while travelling through Germany in 1946, in which he openly spoke about his own early complicity in Nazism and his eventual change of heart. He's quite an interesting character, I'd recommend looking him up if you have the time :)
Never really thought about it but every time I tore down a poster by the far right wing student group at my campus, I was engaging in antifascist action? That's a neat way to look back at that memory.
Heck yeah dude!
far right or just right in general? Because chances are, it's just you tearing down the posters of anyone that disagrees with you. You far, far, far, far, far leftists are pretty bigoted like that.
I'm waiting for the chance to run into one of you shit stains. Your not going to like it when we conservatives have had enough of you little pussies. Your hiding your faces isn't going to keep a fist from going down your throat. A few of you used as an example should send the rest of you back to your mammas basement, or your homeless camps.
@@Illumirage > far right or just right in general? Because chances are, it's just you tearing down the posters of anyone that disagrees with you
I'm pretty much on the right myself, I usually vote christian-democrat in Belgium. I only tear down posters of far right wingers like you.
>You far, far, far, far, far leftists are pretty bigoted like that.
I'm on the right you dimwit but I don't like right wing extremists.
@jimmysp4des >let's play a game, you post a link to conservatives attacking people, and I'll post a link to antifa attacking people, let's see who runs out of content first.
oh be careful what you wish for. I'll play this game alright. Only violence counts where people are hurt. And I'll amend the rules, not just regular conservatives (I'm a conservative myself in certain ways, especially on fiscla matters). I'll only go for far right extremists.
Here's my first name: Anders Breivik
Fascism in place in Assam, India - December 2019(the world is unaware)
- internet blocked
- protesters died
- national media channel not reporting
- local media channel attacked by 'forces'
Be strong,Assam and its peoples!!!
It is one of the most diverse region of the world in terms of languages or cultures.They could not divide us on communal basis. What they did is bring in more illegal immigrants for the in the name of refugees which our bordering state of Assam has to be burdened with. They border security is very poor and everyday people cross the border and come in. No government opposes it as it works as vote banks.
Our people are fighting with Satyagraha , the gandhian way of non violence through songs and poetry but everyone is sold out to report, internet ban exists, people feel threathened.
@Steven Hunter31 Did i mention I was in my home state?
I was out for work.
P.S. Currently internet has been restored and I am using that internet if it helps you.
It's happening in America too.
Nobody cares about injustice outside of the West because then there wouldn't be any white people to scapegoat.
There are very few RUclips videos I've watched multiple times...this is one of them. While you are preaching to the choir with me, it remains just as engrossing on repeat viewings. With that said, it's the "Today is Wednesday" part that always sends chills through me. The insidious simplicity of it all, is remarkable.
There are some brilliant content creators on RUclips that manage to educate and entertain. You sir, are most definitely one of them.
@casual complaints does he?
I watch certain videos multiple times when i need to get aroused so i can masturbate
This is several years old at this point, but--if you can bear the expletive--it is totally fucking brilliant. Thank you so much for having recorded it and for keeping it available!
There's nothing brilliant about a book that drops the ball right at the starting line by failing to give the correct definition of Fascism and justifying violence against political opponents based off of the twisted definition that it espouses.
Getting real relevant right now.
Our president saying Antifa is the enemy of the state
@@rosestrohm7986 they sure are
@@jakesmithsonian388 well what state are you living in bc it sure isn't the real enemy in mine. XD
@@skabbigkossa passing off his opinion as fact, smoothe.
@@sassafras_rl CA
Man, this totally changed my view on anti-fascist action. I was pretty much in the "I sympathize with the emotional impetus behind Antifa, but the methods are unpalatable." camp, but find myself in full agreement with the theory and practices now that I've heard them laid out coherently.
You're sympathizing with antifa now? These people are literally domestic terrorists.
That's awesome!
Damien INSANE-O have you thought of watching the vid buddy?
@@JacatackLP He probably paused it immediately on arrival. These people are just here for the comment section.
Back in my time we'd have called them "trolls".
I think the whole point of the video was that there is no "general Antifa". It's individual groups that do stuff. Some of it is good, some of it is okay and some of it is bad and they're all done by different groups. Stay critical.
Just finished the video and there is a disturbingly high number of people who just saw the title, clicked, paused the video, left an uneducated comment, and then left.
@Joe Average Because antifa is the pinnacle of restraint and reasonableness. See someone you don't like? Call them fascist and loose the mob upon them. Doesn't matter if they just happen to wear a red hat or if they're just a bystander, they're all nazis who need to be clubbed, right?
@@harambe4267 Man I wish antifa was as fearsome as you guys make it sound like lmfao.
@@jeanfrancois8145 Don't need to be brave or strong when you got the numbers. Get couple hundred fanatical idiots who are 100% sure of their self-righteous indignation and are convinced that US is crawling with nazis and you can do almost anything when the mayor tells the police to stand down.
Biliary Clinton
Are you saying you're a fascist or anti-antifa or disagree with the video?
@@the1exnay
"Are you saying you're a fascist or anti-antifa or disagree with the video?"
Does he have to? Does it matter? Is it relevant? Assuming he is - so what?
All he's saying is that you can treat him as such for the sake of the argument. Make a rebuttal to fascism to him as you would were he actually a part of the group. If the argument is weak and flimsy, he may just play the Devil's Advocate and argue on the side of the neo-Nazis - theoretically, his personal affiliation shouldn't matter.
This is still one of the best essays I've ever seen. Every time I watch, I get something different out of it.
I love that you have a considerable bibliography on this. That shit's important!
i gotta agree. i love a guy who speaks legitly with sources. keep itt up bro!
@Lt col George Armstrong Custer he quoted a rightwing, dipshit
@Lt col George Armstrong Custer you didn't watch the video did ya? and your best argument it's to insult the left... curious
@Lt col George Armstrong Custer do you enjoy jumping to conclusions or is just you can't help it?
@Lt col George Armstrong Custer I'm just asking, why don't you chill a bit and try to explain yourself?
the algorithm seems to be boosting this, so here's a comment to add to it. the more people can be educated about what antifa *actually* is about, the better.
@@jeff86ingsee the part where olly talks about violence as a tactic. olly is very clear to describe antifa as people who are willing to oppose fascism in their community "by any mean necessary" which does sometimes include violence.
there's no misdirection here, simply the, if you will, illumination of what exactly antifa represents, from a more analytical perspective than you might see on the evening news
@Sandy Jones hopefully people will actually watch the video. you clearly didn't
It's about terrorism and nothing more. Smashing up windows and burning buildings.
lots of accounts popping up on this and just repeating "antifa bad" over and over. makes me think maybe someone sent their audience over?
doesn't particularly matter. the more engagement, the better as far as YT's algorithm is concerned. and given the ratio, seems broad viewers tend to at least see olly's perspective here.
@@jeff86ing i think that's a far more public perception of what antifa does. can't really blame you for it, since most of what they do outside the realm of violence goes unspoken of in news.
it's worth mentioning that a lot of mutual aid efforts are staffed by antifa types, and this is one of the big ways it gets around in terms of "recruitment" for demonstrations
the SA of the 30s was a militarized security group who focused on providing "protection" for nazi speeches? doesn't sound much like the way antifa operates. i think there's a more sound comparison with MLK's civil rights marches in the 60s, which were also widely criticized at the time for causing widespread property damage.
“Im not suggesting we execute industrialists”
Me: aww beans
But he didn't suggest we don't!
Always reform first.
If you can.
tenchimuyo69 There are some industrialists whose interests would make reform impossible and letting them continue to have power would be permitting their construction of fascism.
@@captainham1511 I didn't say anything about letting them continue to have power. I just believe the rich and powerful should be given a chance to learn to live like everyone else before we eat them.
@@tenchimuyo69 also reform is a way better means of getting people on our side
I find it funny that whenever an antifascist uses violence, no matter the context, it's *always* twisted into "that makes them the *real* fascist" as if violence and fascism are perfect synonyms. It's that line of thinking that makes actual fascist ideas slide under the radar just because they're wrapped in a superficial politeness.
It's not the violence makes them fascist. It's more the fact that they are trying to use violence to coerce - and ultimately - govern the actions of the people and business they terrorize that makes them an equivalent evil to the fascists they claim to despise.
I'm just some random on the internet, but I've had antifa destroy buildings and kill people in my neighborhoods. No fascists around here. Just people that claim to be antifascist. Fat lot of good that does the innocent lives they've ruined.
The poem actually starts "first they came for the communists" and it has been sanitized by american and european interests to cast the soviet state and china in a negative light. Notably, the same game is being played with the word socialist today.
@Supreme Snek based
McCarthy had the right idea.
Good
@Supreme Snek we found the fash
@Supreme Snek lmaoooo, yeah dude, you caught me im a hard core communist fascist
"we call things violent not because they stand out from a background of peace but because they stand out from what we consider normal"
shit, so many assumptions to re-examine in my life.
Interestingly, this is something i've noticed while debating the Israeli occupation. Somehow the occupation isn't considered as an act of violence but the resistance to it is, particularly in Gaza, where the media consisently portrays Gazan people as the ones who "sparked" the violence despite the blockade, starvation and killings of civillians being acts of violence commited daily. This is it, they simply stand out not from a a background of peace but from what's considered "normal".
I suggest you do do more research on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because you are only seeing things from one side. It is very complicated.
@@matthewbarr6685 No it isn't, it's strikingly simple actually, like in every other settler colonialist project there's the victims and there's the opressors.
The "it's complicated" is a common Zionist talking point to complicate the facts in bad faith because being the colonialist apartheid side isn't good esthetics.
@@tesso.6193 Zionism tactic eh? Can you please define the definition of the word Zionism for me?
Before I engage with you I need to know if you truly know what you are talking about it. Depending on how you answer will tell me just that.
@@matthewbarr6685 it's an ethno-nationalist ideology premised on the idea that Jews are entitled to a "jewish" country (whatever that means) on someone else's land. what happens to that someone else? well tough luck for them i guess. it's settler colonialism time.
Since settler colonialism is ...objectively bad...Zionists feel the need to make the conflict seem "complicated" to distract from that essential fact. I'm not saying you're necessarily replying in bad faith, but i've been doing this for a long time and it tends to be '_'
@Tim Evans Very very "watered down"? Are you serious? I guess White Africaaners under Aparheid where only the opressors in a very ******waterd down***** way too. Good job triviliazing Apartheid.
This "both sides" narrative is the most centrist thing ever, and of course, you felt the need to bring it up in the context of normalized violence against Palestinians.
What Israelis want is a negative peace, one in the abscence of justice because they're the beneficiaries of the status quo and the ones who hold all the powers. What Palestinians want is a *just* peace. The is NO EQUIVALENCE.
Here's a clearer image of this society, 79% believe Jews should get preferential treatment over Arab citizens, 61% believe God gave them the land *all of it*, 48% of Jewish Israelis support *the ethnic cleansing of all Arabs* (citizens and non citizens alike), 42% support annexing the West Bank. Wanna bet they don't plan on giving west bankers full civil rights?. These people aren't any less racists than white Africaaners under Apartheid or Americans under Jim Crow.
There's no peace with this status quo and to believe the group benefitting from it is serious about abolishing it, while the victims aren't is delusional. There are no "both sides" in any meaningful sense like there wasn't any in Apartheid South Africa or Nazi germany.
Unlike what propaganda would like people to believe Palestinians made ridiculous concessions repeatedly, giving up on 1948 borders, security collaboration with Israel, giving up on the right of return for all but 10,000 of the original nakba victims, even giving up on reclaiming the big settlements territory for a fraction of the size in return. So what both "sides"? Where are the Israeli concessions or acts of good will?
Israel keeps building settlements fully knowing they never have to give them up, spending BILLIONS on settlements doesn't scream temporary to me. Every "offer" they make includes keeping the settlements AND a military presence, no right of return then blaming Palestinians for not accepting.
Israel makes no concessions and doesn't intend to. The only way forward is through international sanctions and a one state solution.
It's really surreal to jump back to her older videos. This vid has been recommended enough to me that i decided to watch it
@futo nara no, its her.
Right? I have been avoiding her older videos just because it doesn't feel right (if you get what I mean) but I really wanted to learn about Antifa and as you said, it does feel surreal.
@@safala Ikr, it feels like I'm doing something inherently wrong, like intruding on her privacy but her videos have always been very educational and helpful to me, even the old ones
It’s a great video
It's so weird seeing Abby quote from a dictionary and it not being a gag
There aren’t enough times I can watch this and be bored of it. “Theory and Praxis”.
Thanks Abby!
@trannyhealthczar9291ok bud
finally I met the CEO of antifa
I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR ANTIFA MANAGER
:)
Well, that's embarrassing.
@Vianca Applebaum the irony!
What about the CEO of bedtime?
“Look how quickly my toddler is growing! If this keeps up, he’ll be eight times my height by 2040”
too bad your toddler tends to reach a stable predictable height. too bad authoritarianism tends to reach a stable and predictable level of pain and death. too bad the left is better at pain and death than fascists.
dkillips ‘the left is better at pain and death than fascists’ wut?
@@themadpyro8560 the commie death toll is outrageous. egalitarianism killed at least 80 million people without any war in the last 100 years. i think we dont get this information in public schools for a reason.
dkillips the commie death toll? What about the millions of people who have died as a result of capitalism? Why is it that when soviet people die it’s communism’s fault (even though they weren’t communist) but when Americans die it’s got nothing to do with capitalism?
@@themadpyro8560 you don't understand, capitalism is holy and surely not an organized system by few people who hold power above the overwhelming majority, suppressing them to have a lavish lifestyle and accumulate perverse amounts of wealth, almost like every system which is authoritarian does (regardless of left/right/center positions, just as long as it's authoritarian) So to account slavery and death in the third world or here at home would be delusional, wouldn't it be? If the free market supports systems that are exceedingly better at exploiting people thats just bad luck, right?
Irony off: You'll never get a capitslism supporter to take his part of the blame, to acknowledge that the system he supports has a vital interest in being injust and asocial... they just won't be honest with themselves
also your argument contains "but what about" which is bad formal structure, you wouldn't need to try and justify our movements misdeeds by other movements misdeeds. It'd be enough to argue that in most of the western the world the communists probably wouldn't reinstate gulags, though the nazis probably would bring back massdeportations and such. Also I'd love to see the communist intellectual who'd argue pro stalins cleansing using communist literature (which wasn't pressed by people who had to suffer under soviet oppression), so to clarify, no, I don't think that Maos or Stalins "Socialsm" was in any way shape or form representative of the movement at all.
Today is a special in my country, argentina, we call it "memory day for truth and justice", it conmemorates the military usurpation of the goverment and rememorates the victims of such a dark period, with the aim of never ever repeat such a tragic process. And the youtube algorithm comforts my heart with this recomendation of your videos
I am most amused by how often Ollie has to open a response to a critical comment with "Did you watch the bits of the video where [I specifically addressed your kneejerk argument, almost down to the exact wording]?" Thank you for this video, sir. Educational and useful. Definitely passing it around.
Lol yeah, so many people are commenting without watching the video. It's ridiculous.
I am disheartened by all the fascist dogwhistlers in the comment section :/
Calling everything (buzzword) doesn't help your argument.
Yeah I know!
I've already commented and have only seen about a quarter of it! Very nuanced and subtle so far, enticing even, loaded with self-righteousness, and deftly skirting issues (so far) of whether the ends justify the means.
Can't wait to watch the rest of it!!
Calling "dogwhistle" a buzzword is really funny to me. A dogwhistle is defined as a buzzword that is an euphemism for something else.
Idk if it’s my tinnitus acting up but the dog whilstly sound you hear when you see “today is Wednesday “ is a nice touch
I can't believe how under educated I was regarding this subject. I ran into an Antifa cell at my local university a few years back, but never really put much thought into the decentralized nature of local recruitment. I guess I passed judgment based on a few perceived assholes. Thanks for this video! You're quickly becoming one of my current favorite RUclipsrs to watch!
@SandboxArrow if the disabled man is a fascist then I can’t find it in me to care. Unless you mean mentally?
But I thought "you can't join antifa"
@@panosfasoul699 You can’t. There isn’t an official president or treasurer. It’s just an ideology.
@@hihiz432 anti fascism is. Antifa has groups and you can join them, there's just no central organization for the whole world
@@panosfasoul699 no, antifa is just a movement. Similar to BLM. There aren’t any groups lmao
ah yes. Those people who blast loud music so my sister doesn't have to hear loud anti-refugee slogans throughout her neighborhood
Not all heroes wear capes
What slogans, and where?
@@birb5003 it was a basic pegida demo, in saxony
@@KendrixTermina That sounds just as bad.
God the high pitched “dogwhistle” sound gives me shivers every time. I fear if things keep going along their current track in America we will start hearing the phrases in this video unironically. The first time I do I swear I’m gonna hear that sound and get those chills.
Every time he played the ringing and flashed "TODAY IS WEDNESDAY" my heart rate doubled
My ears are still ringing
17:30 - Another fun thing about the "National Socialist" name is that it was chosen by the party despite Hitler's objections - he _hated_ socialism so much he didn't even want to co-opt it by name, but the party's executive committee overruled him!
You are a fascist.
According to my former history teacher, Ernst Röhm ( sa leader) tended to think more in lines of an actual national socialism, but was liquidated by the ss in an early power struggle. Fascists can't even keep from killing each other when it suits their needs.
@@ArgueWithTheMajority "The Night of the Long Knives." Giant purge of the Brownshirts/SA (stormtroopers) and other unloyal elements. They took out Rohm and Gregor Strasser and liquidated the socialist left-wing of the "Worker's Party" they commandeered. It's an interesting parallel.... "Fascists take over an existing political party.... supposedly campaign on those values, then purge those members." Someone should tell the GOP that particular story.
@@cpeithman999 Thing is, Röhm and Strasser were raging anti-semitic nationalists themselves. The idea that the reason they were removed was because they believed in some authentically socialist and worker-oriented National Socialism might just be a mirage or illusion; it's just as likely that they were murdered because they were seen as a threat to Hitler's power, and the fact that the SA itself answered to Röhm.
@ > calls the public uneducated
> unironically thinks socialism and fascism are ideologically similar
Top kek
I'd just like to thank all butthurt nazis, fascists, paleo-cons and other whiny righties in the comment section for their great work. Without you spending sometimes hours of your lives leaving empty weepy comments here, this video would have never gotten over 2 million views.
Great work my involuntary comrades.
@R34L HUM4N Beep boop, comrade, beep boop indeed :D
They may be frothing non-sense but 104 comments on this channel alone are truly a stunning testament to your commitment to spread the anti-fascist word. You see: The algorithm doesn't judge. The algorithm doesn't care. It just feeds on your engangement.
@Onion Potato How convenient that your enemy is both strong and weak at the same time.
@@noradrenalin8062 you are based, antifa saved my neighbourhood from a violent nazi group which had already beaten 2 people. They organized protests made grafities on the fascist hq and finally called the owner of the place they had to kick them out
@Onion Potato i live in spain in the neighbourhood of fuencarral, you can watch on youtube how the police kicked them out, they where on valverde street and they where from the group bastion frontal
@Onion Potato when did triying to stop criminals for making hate crimes and beating and harrasing people on the street became oppression of free speech? Do you know what oppression of free speech looks like? It isnt getting cancelled on twitter or being banned of a social media for saying the nword, oppression of free speech is what happened to my grandfather, who was tortured in prison for being contrary to the fascist regime, or being shot in the street for being a member of a party contrary to the regime. I recommend you to see what your local antifas do, like, actually going to the protest, just as a bystander, and ask them about what they do, if they tell you they are anarchists then they are probably idiots,but if they arent they probably do good stuff.
Also, i dont think you watched the video and that's why I'm gonna ask you the following question.
What did the author said about what fascism is ? And what example did the author use to say how the media portrays black people (the scavenger example)?