Reviewing $8,000 Formula Car | Casey's 80s Garage
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2020
- Casey Putsch buys what is possibly the cheapest formula racing car with wings in the United States. A 1986 Argo JM17 Formula Continental. In this episode Casey goes through all the spare parts and over the car to see everything that needs to change and be refreshed from the carburetor to the tires! Can you beat Ferrari Challenge cars with an $8,000 race car and get real practice in case you got the opportunity to be a professional racing driver? Watch this series to find out. Thank you to Avalon King Armor Shield Ceramic Coating. This stuff really works!
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Sorry the video is long, but this episode required it for a full review and how to look at new race cars! Hope you enjoy!
Thats ok, I've been watching 30 plus min videos while doing stuff all day on Gordon Murray's t50. highly fascinating much like all your crazy projects and shenanigans 🤪 haha
Yo, longer video = cool. Ignore RUclips's bs algorithms designed only to net them more money.
We love long videos!
Tear it down so i can build my own with my 1uz and a subi trans axle.
This so cool! This is a type of project I want to build from the ground up. I watched this 45 minute video intensely! Long videos that have great information like this are awesome! Keep up the great work Casey and I look forward to seeing more videos on this project!
Casey: Electric things fail. Mechanical is tried is true it works.
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Also Casey: Mechanical points work just fine. But just fine isn't good enough. Go electric, it's more consistent.
Hahahahahha!!! TRUE. Ya got me.
When you struggle to find a balance between fun, reliability, budget, and experimenting on stuff
Four boomers disliked this, how could you not like his content this is my favorite part about RUclips. Learning from people who get it done with no bullshit. Keep it up Casey Putsch!
They’re points men and have a fetish for condensors 😂
Gen X dislikes it too.
Its disrespectful.
Its also madness talk.
Its bitter and twisted.
The plot wanders all over the place.
Casey has no time to do what he says he's going to do.
Its a window into a midlife crisis.
If I owned this car, I would take it to hillclimb events, apart from usual track days. (Hillclimb racing is a MASSIVELY underrated GEM)
I am excited to see that little car on the track. I have spent a few hours talking to owners of cars in that class at Mid-Ohio. They always seemed to be enjoying themselves.
Casey was like a kids playing with toys but it's shoes how much he loves about cars...like to see on the track soon to smash those Rich guys
This is so cool. I can't wait to see it rip around the track
Love this car. Probably my favorite build out there rn.
Lots of stuff learned this time...so much unpacking with explanation....thanks.
I find it enjoyable to listen to someone who routinely goes through a car inspecting it on the fly with full understanding of it. You've got a lot going on on your hands Casey with all the projects around that needs attention. Busy times, and that MX5 testing as well.
Great video, like having a conversation with a knowledgeable car guy. Seemed like this was all one take, which is amazing.
Loving the new projects!
Casey, I have another JM-17 out in Washington area that I have been running in vintage for a few years. I rebuilt mine from the ground up and have way more in in than you will so that race car was very well bought. I run with one of the original Argo test drivers and a good friend of Jo Marquart so we know a lot of the history of the cars. He most likely had a hand in importing that chassis.
I would recommend you dye pen test the uprights as they are known to fail, I have some pictures... They are the same casting for all corners but fronts get a notch machined in them for the steering bracket. That makes them unique to the corner at that point.
The nose is looks heavy likely due to mounting the wing directly to it. Originally they were mounted to the front crash structure and you would have to fish a allen key around in there blindly to get the socket head cap screws out.
The long socket is for torquing the hubs. When you take off the wheel you will see the center lock pin has a nut that preloads the hub unit (front) or axle in the rear. And yes they are fiat hubs.
Most people run 'Ivey prepped' carbs available off Pegasus. Not sure what it entails but mine has been faultless.
Sounds like you like have a fondness for Hoosiers but the Avon's tend to handle heat cycles better without becoming rocks quite as fast. My experience anyway.
I have a bunch of spares so drop me a line if you see anything you need.
You still have it Matt?
I used to wrench some on my old VW Beetles. Best was a carburetor rebuild. I had 2 or 3 parts left over. It ran perfectly.
Casey I came looking for a review of one of these because I saw one on racing junk. I then go back to look at it on racing junk and see it’s from you. What a coincidence! I would love to buy it though, some day when I have more money than an OSU college student lol
You can get fire extinguishers recertified. Might be the same as these. Take to a fire station
You are such a legend Casey, rocking the Cox logo on the tool bin!!! Long live tiny nitro engines!!! .... In memory of Art Scholl, the biggest legend to ever rock that Cox logo!!! Did you know Art started as a champion model airplane pilot? then he transitioned that to become the world aerobatic champion!!!... I'm good at rambling, sorry, happy landings/ happy motoring!!!
If you are going to be running the Hoosier R35 compound on the car keep an eye on the lower upright connection points for the suspension as the loads the newer tires can make are a lot higher than what the car was designed around. We twisted a couple wheels off under breaking over the years in our 86 Reynard. You could always run the R45 compound to take off some load as its a harder tire but then you would go a bit slower. After you get it all setup and running the best legal go fast part for the mid 80s cars is a diffuser really transforms the car and helps out where this era of car is weakest compared to the new ones (high speed corners).
If you have any Argo related questions you could get a hold of Lawrence over at Hayes Cages LLC he races an 86 Argo and is a good fabricator as well.
Great vid man, those wheels are sick
If you get two smaller bottles, you could mount them right behind the A frame hoop, assuming there's enough space to put them there. That way you'd have more space under the legs, and they'd be closer to the action. As for actuation, you could get mechanical ones that have the melting plastic "witness" mark. There's even ones that have multiple such points and cables under tension. When the plastic melts, they go to a central latch that ejects the pin, which then releases the schmoo.
I love to watch your videos they are funny and educational🙂
same thing with gymnastics. my junior-middle school, had climbing ropes, and mats, and a beam... but for liability reasons, none of it had been used in years.
Made it 20 seconds into the video and felt the need to hit the like button. Definitely subscribing
This car was built long before the HANS device trickled down to junior formulae so you might consider moving the shoulder belt mounts a little closer together, or fabricating an adapter to bolt them closer so they stay on the HANS and are much more comfortable.
Great car, great video and great CSL t-shirt!
This is the Casey I enjoy watching
Who heard of Casey through VinWiki
Everyone?
I got here from VinWiki. I need to find my old books from vintage weekends at MidOhio to find his listings.
I found Casey because RUclips recommend his 944 videos to me after I watched JRGo's 944 videos.
His driving tips videos brought me here
It looks like there was an MSD box on the front and on the back of the firewall. Dual boes or two different boxes?
I love the video I live in Southern Ohio. I hope I can make ot out to a event and meet yall and see some of yalls bad ass cars
Nice car. Can’t wait for the next one.
Besides a visual inspection or an xray machine, how do you tell if the frame is cracked from flexing over age and cycling?
a big magnet and iron dust. Look for irregular patterns in magnetic field. "magnaflux"
If you are considering buying a race car, doing the prep yourself....and planning to finish a race....you need to watch this video and take notes. Great job!
I have a formula car too. Three questions everyone asks. What is it? How fast does it go? Why don’t u have a turbo on it? Formula Ford and Formula Continental are a spec class. Very strict rules. If the rules don’t state it, you can’t change it or modify it. Good luck with it. Keep it reliable and you’ll always finish and most of all, have fun.
As some know ,it's got sod all to do with how fast as if its more that 130 ,it ain't legal ,Formula Ford is all about handling and if its 1600 -mechanical grip only . The original cars even had a price ceiling from the manufacturers mandated !
If the fire bottle is like a fire extinguisher they stamp a date on the bottom like 95 for 1995 or 06 for 2006. Not sure if they did that too. 1986 and older dry chem’s (ABC) are nfg and need replaced in Arkansas how CO2 (BC) last until they fail hydro. Where I work I keep track of over 340 portable unit and we have 6 merchant Marines 20# CO2 steel unit pushing 80# from 1942
I love seeing videos about this Formula car
very cool, lots of goodies!
Casey stressed out ... ? For real ? 👍😎🤘
Bearing should come from SKF DGBB Cassino factory ( could also be Bari Factory )
Do the points on that car give you spark advance? If not, are you permitted to have spark advance on an electronic ignition replacement? Or are you just putting electric points on the existing system?
Yes, the distributor has mechanical advance. That is separate from points.
@@CaseyPutsch Yes' with resprung advance and no vacuum .Dead simple ,just what the formula is all about .Only variable is the driver eh ?
I really enjoy the racing videos.
Are you guys gonna race in the Great Lakes Championship Series in Michigan? It is specifically for Formula Continental. Lots of other great drivers, engineers, and mechanics racing Formula Continental with you.
That looks like such a fun car!
I'm speechless. It's absolutely astonishing that you got this for the same price as a GTV6. I think you made the right choice, and I hope this thing sticks around for a while.
I'd like to buy a red GTV6 by the way.... know any?
@@CaseyPutsch I looked through AlfaBB, the US AROC, BaT, and Auto Tempest. Unfortunately there wasn't any listed anywhere, at least not a red one. There was a blue unfinished race car on the BB, but I'm not entirely sure what's happening with it at the moment. I'd be glad to post a wanted ad for you on the BB if you'd like me to.
Yes please. I’ve seen al of a sudden everyone thinks they are worth 20-30k. That’s a no go for me.
Seeing this just makes me want to buy one.
The RUclips channel POWER NATION has a video about getting the most out of that engine. Title of the video "Building a Ford 2.3L 4-Cylinder Lima Engine For The Dirt Track"
Casey, could you run a Fi Tech fuel injection system on that race car?
You would then need an alternator etc to power it. the 2.0L zetec in the newer cars of this class have exactly that.
did you do any follow ups on this car
Thank you -- Lucas Electronics = The Prince of Darkness. Only someone who has experienced it can really appreciate it.
Love that Pinto Power !
Actually looking for something like this, open wheel single seater with an engine that's not insanely high strung and expensive.
glad i found ur channel
Points are great i raced my 72 datsun 510 on circle track with the battery from my chevy sprint with no alternator and at the end of the night i put it back in my car and drove home lol finished 3rd overall 1 feature win my rookie season
where do you buy these
Casey! Where do you find deals like this?
Casey, planning to order an Avalon King kit this month. Do I need to hit a specific link or enter a code to make sure you get a cut?
I don't get a cut, but it is nice for them to know you came from here. Use the link in the description and try Genius25 as a code for coupon.
How do you find these cars? I’m 16 and I would love to get into racing, but I don’t know where to look for a cheap car like this one
You should open a place in Ontario..so much cool and good stuff.
My daughter's high school has a woodshop, an electrical shop and a mechanics, machine shop. I hope she spends some time taking those courses.
Where do you find a car like this
Those belts are like bullet resistant vests, they expire. You don't want to mess with halon it's an amazing fire retardant but deadly because it stops oxygen from forming to create a fire.
I believe Halon is no longer used. May have a problem finding someone to refill it.
No longer allowed by FIA .All on AFF now
We have a JM17 as well.
Electronic ignition and points throw identical spark depending on the ignition coil.
The coil is what makes the spark.
Points just triggers the coil.
Points bounce...
@@CaseyPutsch Yep.In the original Formula three cars that's why Lucas and Autolite developed their special points to enable 10,000 revs on their one litre pre crossflow Ford downdraught motors
Points suck. I'd look into updating the timing belt to the later version Ford came out with. They had square instead of round cogs and were more positive in their engagement, and needed less tension than the earlier versions.
Are you not allowed to tune up that engine?
why you dont modernize the engine ? for example first you need a ecu, remove the carb install injectors remove distributor install coils etc.
You obviously don't get what Formula Ford is all about .The word Formula should tell all.
Make it street legal too... just not track only. Get some road tires. Could be very fun but only when you have a passing lane.
is the Aero adjustable? if not are you going to make it adjustable?
It is
@@CaseyPutsch maybe a video on making carbon composit stuff? To redo all the floppy aero if the spec series allows it
@@CaseyPutsch thought the rear wing was, though I'm curious about the front wing.
4:42 a honda b16 might be fun.
intresting square tube frame. not what u see used today thats for sure.
c5 air filter or a 90's ram 1500 air filter with a 3d printed and glued air intake?
im only 3.5 hours away in indy...man i want to come down and just study that damn thing.
I was thinking high revving ka24a2 na would be cool 300hp and 8700rpm would be a blast in a little car like this, but obviously not for a spec series
Yeah lol throw in a economy car grocery getter engine
@@norgepalm7315 i was thinking a d15b7 with a d16y8 head hi comp fast reving and flat curve. its not like it has a eco engine in it already.
@@Odd_Redneck if you want it to have a tiny honda engine at least consider a performance once like a cbr1000
@@norgepalm7315 na, not enough displacement for tq. also why a bike engine? where is the challenge in that? thats fast out of the frame, just turn key.
Am I the only one who started laughing when he pointed out the 'stock' cars based on production models of consumer cars aren't designed to drive in the rain that their consumer counterparts drive in regularly?! Lol
where would you buy a car like this?
There are 2 philosophies of racecar design. Simplify and add lightness, and aerodynamics are for people who can’t build engines.
Save the old seatbelt harness and Ebay it! Some racecar collector snob might pay a pretty penny for it to complete a time-correct museum display car.
Theres a lot of old Formula like cars around in Europe, and that brand of belts was very popular.
BTW: I can hook you up with a lot of people in the current Formula Ford scene from the Netherlands (my brother used to race one) if you need special parts or info.
love it...
Good God how do you not have any more subscribers
RUclips algorithm...
Good content really enjoying everything except the rants 😂
www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8823 maybe you should run a second msd box on the vette. have you upgraded to digital yet?
I got about a 1/3 through this a realized this guy knew just enough to be dangerous. The very first thing you do, I mean, the very, very first thing you do, when you get an old race car like this is you COMPLETELLY DISASSEMBLE it, down to every single nut and bolt and inspect everything!!!! The last thing you care about is some old foam in an old air filter. Did he even see if the fuel cell was current! I'd never take anyone's word on the engine's condition...get it rebuilt first thing. You don't want the engine to let go a big way in practice or a race a leave you with a big rebuild bill when you can do some preventive work now and save replacing a head or block later. Rebuild now and have confidence for many races to come.
Casey, I can't find details of your racing career in IMSA, Can-Am, Indy, LeMans prototype, Formula, Production or Sports Cars?
In his videos he talks about driving cars from these series but only in the vintage racing world. The IMSA Corvette was originally ran 25+ years ago.
True. Just as fast, but you dont burn millions...
carb looks like a DGAS 36
Lovely old carbs aren't they ?
Then why run an MSD box at all, they don't do the MSD function at high RPM anyway.
Australia proud and second
How can I send you guys something?
Genius Garage address on the website works well.
Reminds me some of my old Lola T590 Sports 2000. Thanks for the memories!
Does it look like it may break? If it breaks will it kill you? No good to go...
On 150hp you should remove the wings and use 145 tires.
It's a Formula ford 2.0 car ,it has 130 brake max. if it's legal - period ! That's the beauty of the formula .It's totally controlled as regard cam .Block height ,valves (StandardFord),bore-stroke ,even pistons in every aspect. Head porting and inlet manifold -no "tuning" ,totally controlled port dimensions so not much to do there either . No alloy calipers or aluminium(pronounced as it's written ) Bog standard Weber DGAS carb . Only concession is dry sump lubrication and Race exhaust -with genuine FOMOCO Motorsport Silencer . 4speed gearbox with NO lsd. ,and finally controlled tyres and strict limits for min. ride height and wing sizes .
That's the beauty of Formula Ford ,a pretty even playing field that spawned professional race driver such as Ayrton Senna (Van Diemen rf82) and hordes of others .
This fellow has picked up an absolute BARGAIN as Argos are a bit of a rarity amongst the hordes of Reynards ,Van Diemens ,Royales etc etc.
I look forward to hear how it gets on once it's racing with like controlled FF cars .
As regard rubber ,it's still controlled Avons in UK and Europe on 6 and 8in * 13" wheels .
@@mauricelevy9027 formula ford 1600 fan
I was just joking about the ls sw6 but you should k20 swap it jkjk
Yes mechanical points suck. I had a rabbit that loved, but the points kept moving out of time.
You should build a DAS system like the mercedes F1 cars have on this thing. For shits and giggles
Casey criticism ending: "its kina funny"
don't bring up midohio. I'm salty they postponed the indycar race after I bought tickets when they announced the "double header". No refunds. No guarantee of a new date.
Oh come on, those belts aren't THAT out of date. lol.
I'd love to see you *mod* it. Don't care about the history and classes and whatnot
A clean race car might not be faster, but it will be more reliable. It might only be one loose bolt that ruins your race.
Shop class was expensive, and schools are poor. Less about liability, more about lack of money
Ohio proud and first
@Elite Soulfly trolling? Dude I've lived in ohio my entire life and I would love to meet Casey! He intrigued my sense of cars and wanting to finish my own projects. I dont troll on RUclips im here for entertainment and learning.
"electric things fail"
A friend of mine crashed his farely new bmw 1 series because the throttle stuck open in the middle of the corner
Yaaa early. This should be cool lol.
One like yet no views oh youtube your broken again. Lol
Casey, how does one challenge you to a race? Just for fun.....
In what kind of vehicle?
I like chicken
My dads 2016 F150 has a better steering wheel than the C8...
Lucas I am your Father.