That car is setup for oval, symmetrical chassis or not. Ballast in the lower left, different control arms left to right and the chain on the anti-roll bar. Chain is because the bar only twists one way on an oval track.
@@LoneStarDrift I can try. It's a bit much for a comments section. Wall of text warning. A little back ground: I/we raced asphalt oval back in the day...way back. Some motorcycle and kart racing mixed in. Always wanted to try drifting, so here I am giving it a try, and watching your videos. I love it so far. The car you featured is in an oval configuration. Some racing series didn't allow an offset chassis, so it may not be asymmetrical. The intent was to keep cost down if they ran oval and road course. So a team wouldn't need additional cars. It could have been repurposed for oval. Depending on the rules an offset chassis may not be a significant advantage. Some history on the car would help. Things to check: *Cross weight or "wedge". When you scale the car you will find that each corner will weigh different. The majority of the weight will be on the right front and left rear. The focus is on the left rear. To add more load to that corner for more grip. The spring rates will likely be different from side to side as well and may not match any other corner. The jacking bolts adjust ride height and effect corner load. These can be used to fine tune the corner weights. *The car may not be square. The left sides wheels may be closer to the center of the chassis, to varying degrees. Series rules will dictate if and how much is allowed. One front wheel may be further ahead of the other too. Caster and camber, etc. may be different left to right. In the video the spindles look different too. Could be a hint. Rear axle may be "steered" to the left a little (we did this)...again rules dependent. The axle may even be bent to add little negative camber to the right rear. Yes, this is a thing but rare in lower, regional series. *Carburetor main jet pickups: Pull the float bowls and see if there are dip tubes for the main jets. Sometimes guys will put the pickups off to the right to keep them submerged in fuel during hard cornering to the left. Often several different carburetors would be setup for different tracks and used as needed. Yours may have whatever carburetor was handy to sell the car after it's last race. Same with the wheels and tires. *Oil pickup: Oil pickup could be offset to the right also. Probably not if the same engine was also used for road course. Almost always in an oval only engine. *Hidden ballast: There could be some ballast weight in a frame rail or other seemingly obscure place. You may be surprised. Also, the reason they use a chain on the anti-roll bar is so they can tune some free play in before the bar winds up. Just change the free length on the chain. The car can roll a little without the bar "engaging". This helps the car turn in without adding oversteer at full corner load, i.e., you can run a stiffer bar. Sorry if that is too much, lol. Feel free to ask any specific questions. Thanks for all the videos.
It’s a camaro front clip and the button on the front of the fire wall is for checking and setting the valve lash. 1 inch studs 5x5 bolt pattern. With doing the angle mods keep in mind the center link to the actual front cross member with our dirt track cars we have to clearance it to keep it from binding at angle.
I’ve always wanted to do this. Circle track cars have so many good parts on them. If you think about it, the drivetrain alone is probably worth $7500. So even if you buy an asymmetrical chassis, you could just transplant it into something else
Cool idea. I love that you care so much about the future of the sport that your willing to spend your own money to experiment with solutions to the problems you see coming.
Thats amazing man! Your just going to have a hell of a job getting angle with those RPF-1's.. the offset on the included wheels is the only thing that allows for that angle. You might end up having to just add tires to the front and drift wheels/tires on the back. Man thats so nice!
I’ve had this idea for sooo long!!! I’m so happy you’re doing it. Maybe if you do all the hard R&D work I’ll buy one. They’re a dime a Dozen here in FL
If you’re already going to be doing a bit of a fabrication I would just scrap the whole front suspension and build a new one either from scratch or retrofit one from another car. Taking another cars suspension will make replacement easier and it will probably give you way more angle a lot easier.
Not a dumb purchase at all...sounds like a great value for a racecar haha! But as a guy with too many projects I'm a bit biased. Would be interested in seeing it back on the road course with the lighter weight.
This is sick. Me and my dad have been talking about how cool it would be to modify a modified class car and slide that around, extremely interested to see how this turns out.
180 degree headers sound so good!! Also if that was ran circle track it will have different spring rates all around as well as lead put into the rear axle and the steering knuckles can be circle track specific too. Also just built a small block 240sx with twin spooly bois and a blow through carburetor for cheap and easy🤘🏻
I've been wondering for while when this type of platform will be required for drifting comps. Pro builds are getting more and more insane. It's gotta plateau somewhere.... congrats on 100k and let me in on dw5. K thanks 🤙🏼
its a recirculating ball steering box. the pitman arm is attached to the box. the center link runs over to the idler arm. and as may have seen at matsuri last month my carb'd corolla starts just like that
I got 3 road course chassis stacked in a barn. I know one day I’ll build em up into something. One of my neighbors had Hendricks build him a track car. It’s the fastest car I’ve ever driven on a track
Check out 5 star bodies they might have something for you. Older sportsman class had a clip modifieds still do. If it's metric nova lowers are longer. You can use o rings on your shock. Is there a spool in it or a locker?
one thing i would do is throw out the carb and have one of the boys with sponsorship hook you up with a Holley EFI kit. just going to make life easier for you
Question to this .. so big reason why I didn't do this was because the whole rules against open wheels in the lsd series. Will that be changing ? Gotta have fenders ?
There for or five guys in south east Ohio that done this few years back. Cars work okay but didn’t like how the rear was set up with the straight axel.
it's also a cap and rotor, so the first plug fires the first 1/8th of a turn or so, where efi especially with sequential injection needs to see the cam position before it knows what coil and injector to fire, depending that usually take a bit of rotation to sync everything up.
But when he's talking about needing a dog box and all this shit, you really don't and it kinda sounds like he's overbuilding the shit out of the car, although yes the nascar chasis is a better start
@@the-real-big-vic7359 you would have to buy that already if you were building one. There are a lot of 5 year old chassis just sitting around that people could easily use to get their start. They’re going to be heavier but at least you could go out and be safe
Really cool project, but man does it erk me when people just blanket oval cars as NASCAR cars. This car is a Late Model stock car, more than likely raced at local short tracks and MAY have been run at some NASCAR sanctioned tracks, but the only cars that are NASCAR cars are the Trucks, Xfinity, and Cup cars which are all a specific chassis designs for those specific classes.
Cool ass project. $1800 for that body is insane lol Be careful moving those bars behind the wheel... they are there to stop your feet being the crumple-zone in an accident, I assume.
Increaseing control arm length and decreasing scrub radius would solve a ton of the clearance issues. Seems like a no brainer to lengthen both the upper and lower. It sure would improve self-steer. You're going to have ridiculous scrub radius with just spacers. I can't imagine the idler system on a Saginaw box would let you get away with that much leverage at lock.
That's a Saginaw power steering box just like your YJ used. There are a ton of other ratios. You could swap the box to change your lock/lock ratio and keep the quicker if you didn't want to deal with more fab work. It has a pitman arm on the box. The arm on the passenger rail is the idler arm. A lot of people call this a push-pull steering system.
Ah a steering box on a drift car. You can't backdrive a worm and wheel steering box that's why you couldn't move it by the tires. There's probably more stock of small block parts at this point compared to ls.
Looking waaaaayyy down the line The Next Gen cars (debuting this year) would be the way to go for Drifting once they start retiring them from the Cup Series etc Sequential 5 speed gearboxes and Independant Rears for the first time (instead of Solid Axle rear) And as for repairs theres a great video of Austin Dillon crashing one in testing and the team having the car back out in under an hour. Check out this video from Dale Jnr's podcast where they talk to the Head guy for develpoment of the Chevy's for RCR ruclips.net/video/VfUg6iS7kc8/видео.html
use a 240 front subframe with a custom corvette rear subframe with a quick change rear end tt LS oh yeah i could help you fab up custom coilover top hats and I'm pretty sure we can find you a body unless you want it to be open wheel or you could do a tubed chassis that is the shap of a 350z or 240sx I'm very smart and could design everything on a laptop with some help
i can also for a full custom carbon fiber body where we have a full set of custom designed models from a stock 350z but who has a full scan of a 350z i think kbd does lol they might already have the models I'm sorry I'm very well taught
Turning race cars.. into other race cars for other disciplines is definitely the cheapest way to go from my experience. Have fun!!
I've always considered doing this. Outdated circle track cars that are no longer able to pass tech are fairly cheap
That car is setup for oval, symmetrical chassis or not. Ballast in the lower left, different control arms left to right and the chain on the anti-roll bar. Chain is because the bar only twists one way on an oval track.
Thank you for teaching me about the chain! anything else to know? I don't know shit about this thing!
@@LoneStarDrift I can try. It's a bit much for a comments section. Wall of text warning.
A little back ground: I/we raced asphalt oval back in the day...way back. Some motorcycle and kart racing mixed in. Always wanted to try drifting, so here I am giving it a try, and watching your videos. I love it so far.
The car you featured is in an oval configuration. Some racing series didn't allow an offset chassis, so it may not be asymmetrical. The intent was to keep cost down if they ran oval and road course. So a team wouldn't need additional cars. It could have been repurposed for oval. Depending on the rules an offset chassis may not be a significant advantage. Some history on the car would help.
Things to check:
*Cross weight or "wedge". When you scale the car you will find that each corner will weigh different. The majority of the weight will be on the right front and left rear. The focus is on the left rear. To add more load to that corner for more grip. The spring rates will likely be different from side to side as well and may not match any other corner. The jacking bolts adjust ride height and effect corner load. These can be used to fine tune the corner weights.
*The car may not be square. The left sides wheels may be closer to the center of the chassis, to varying degrees. Series rules will dictate if and how much is allowed. One front wheel may be further ahead of the other too. Caster and camber, etc. may be different left to right. In the video the spindles look different too. Could be a hint.
Rear axle may be "steered" to the left a little (we did this)...again rules dependent. The axle may even be bent to add little negative camber to the right rear. Yes, this is a thing but rare in lower, regional series.
*Carburetor main jet pickups:
Pull the float bowls and see if there are dip tubes for the main jets. Sometimes guys will put the pickups off to the right to keep them submerged in fuel during hard cornering to the left. Often several different carburetors would be setup for different tracks and used as needed. Yours may have whatever carburetor was handy to sell the car after it's last race. Same with the wheels and tires.
*Oil pickup: Oil pickup could be offset to the right also. Probably not if the same engine was also used for road course. Almost always in an oval only engine.
*Hidden ballast:
There could be some ballast weight in a frame rail or other seemingly obscure place. You may be surprised.
Also, the reason they use a chain on the anti-roll bar is so they can tune some free play in before the bar winds up. Just change the free length on the chain. The car can roll a little without the bar "engaging". This helps the car turn in without adding oversteer at full corner load, i.e., you can run a stiffer bar.
Sorry if that is too much, lol. Feel free to ask any specific questions.
Thanks for all the videos.
@@dan1906 Thank you so much!
The outside starter button is more to help when doing maintenance by yourself like adjusting valve lash etc.
Makes perfect sense. You could also start the car from the outside to warm it up before events.
So it’s obviously Monte Carlo G-body a-arms. Speedway sells a ‘high angle’ knuckle for that setup
It’s a camaro front clip and the button on the front of the fire wall is for checking and setting the valve lash. 1 inch studs 5x5 bolt pattern. With doing the angle mods keep in mind the center link to the actual front cross member with our dirt track cars we have to clearance it to keep it from binding at angle.
10 to 30 minute videos are perfect for breaks while at work! Keep em coming!!
I’d honestly sort out lock mods and steering geometry and just send it as is for now, see how it feels and go from there
I wonder how the slicks would do drifting?
@@LoneStarDrift if you can get wet tires there used to be a guy in aus that ran on old wet tires in competition because they are so soft
@@LoneStarDrift Depends on whether you can break traction before breaking parts
@@LoneStarDrift roadrace slicks are usually pretty hard
I’ve always wanted to do this. Circle track cars have so many good parts on them.
If you think about it, the drivetrain alone is probably worth $7500. So even if you buy an asymmetrical chassis, you could just transplant it into something else
I love watching those long ass videos
you bought a carburettor car. My work here is done
LOL
Cool idea. I love that you care so much about the future of the sport that your willing to spend your own money to experiment with solutions to the problems you see coming.
This is so rad, I'm stoked to watch this series.
This is so insane, stoked to see the progression. Stock cars are so cool.
Good that it survived.
Thats amazing man! Your just going to have a hell of a job getting angle with those RPF-1's.. the offset on the included wheels is the only thing that allows for that angle. You might end up having to just add tires to the front and drift wheels/tires on the back. Man thats so nice!
I think you've nailed onto a good idea here. Can't wait to see how this goes. 👍
So glad you are doing this. I've thought for years that this Exactly was the move. Hope I'm right!
I’ve had this idea for sooo long!!! I’m so happy you’re doing it. Maybe if you do all the hard R&D work I’ll buy one. They’re a dime a Dozen here in FL
High compression race engines sound SO GOOD. I would love to see a video of this vs Ryan Turks full carbon Supra 🤘 Congrats on the new corvette ❤
Saw this at Curt's like 2-3 weeks ago. Glad you finally got it shipped down
You can get hanging pedals that are reverse mount to help get the calipers out of the way
You gotta take this to The Freedom Factory! Lol
honestly a great idea, gm 602 crate should be good enough for drifting
If you’re already going to be doing a bit of a fabrication I would just scrap the whole front suspension and build a new one either from scratch or retrofit one from another car. Taking another cars suspension will make replacement easier and it will probably give you way more angle a lot easier.
If this became the norm companies would be making fiberglass JZX bodies for them. 😄 🤣
I'm pumped on this. I've thought about doing something similar. Keep us up to date on this thing please.
Not a dumb purchase at all...sounds like a great value for a racecar haha! But as a guy with too many projects I'm a bit biased. Would be interested in seeing it back on the road course with the lighter weight.
It looks like its been down but its not rough.
I can already see it; "Circle car turned drift car makes it through drift week?!?"
here in finland 2 of the best pro level drift cars are equipped with dodge nascar engines, ridiciliously reliable units and awesome sound!
This is sick. Me and my dad have been talking about how cool it would be to modify a modified class car and slide that around, extremely interested to see how this turns out.
Really excited to see another route and what the process/results are on this
180 degree headers sound so good!! Also if that was ran circle track it will have different spring rates all around as well as lead put into the rear axle and the steering knuckles can be circle track specific too. Also just built a small block 240sx with twin spooly bois and a blow through carburetor for cheap and easy🤘🏻
I've been wondering for while when this type of platform will be required for drifting comps. Pro builds are getting more and more insane. It's gotta plateau somewhere.... congrats on 100k and let me in on dw5. K thanks 🤙🏼
thanks!
That thing sounds meannnn! Excited to see this happen
Super excited for this series!
jeeez... this thing is insaneeee.. cant wait to see this !
its a recirculating ball steering box. the pitman arm is attached to the box. the center link runs over to the idler arm. and as may have seen at matsuri last month my carb'd corolla starts just like that
Love this build.
I’ve been wanting to see a nascar converted to a drift car for years🔥
Go check the Driftworks AE86.
Ascar chassis, Ae86 body, and drifted
This doesnt seem to be a NASCAR chassis. More so a Late Model Stock car chassis. Not all oval track cars are NASCAR cars.
Man I’ve always thought this would be a great idea!
Love this idea and wish more would follow.
I got 3 road course chassis stacked in a barn. I know one day I’ll build em up into something. One of my neighbors had Hendricks build him a track car. It’s the fastest car I’ve ever driven on a track
Happy New Year Aaron
Check out 5 star bodies they might have something for you. Older sportsman class had a clip modifieds still do. If it's metric nova lowers are longer. You can use o rings on your shock. Is there a spool in it or a locker?
the thumbnail for this video is one of their bodies, I am drooling over it
This is suuuper cool!
AARON!! Your thumbnail edit is sick 😂😂
Love this, such a cool idea
The switch panel in the engine bay, is probably to bump the engine over when check lash on rockers
That things sounds sick
This is the future
Funny you mention the steering ratio lol. The angle kit on my mustang is a little over a turn each way for 60 degrees.
a full stock car body would be super sick
Wout young smiling somewhere
It's a stock car (late model) but not a nascar affiliated stock car
"Nascar" body and stock car internals
Looking forward to this.
Was this formerly a team petty car? It's got the blue chassis like they used to run years ago.
one thing i would do is throw out the carb and have one of the boys with sponsorship hook you up with a Holley EFI kit. just going to make life easier for you
Question to this .. so big reason why I didn't do this was because the whole rules against open wheels in the lsd series. Will that be changing ? Gotta have fenders ?
Now you just need to figure out how to get the shell of the Hummer on to this thing
Looks like a truck cab and bed sides would work,and I'm pretty sure that's a 2nd gen comaro k member
There for or five guys in south east Ohio that done this few years back. Cars work okay but didn’t like how the rear was set up with the straight axel.
it starts up so good because of the MSD system
it's also a cap and rotor, so the first plug fires the first 1/8th of a turn or so, where efi especially with sequential injection needs to see the cam position before it knows what coil and injector to fire, depending that usually take a bit of rotation to sync everything up.
Wondered when people would figure this out- the chassis is a good base and certainly cheaper than a purpose built drift setup
But when he's talking about needing a dog box and all this shit, you really don't and it kinda sounds like he's overbuilding the shit out of the car, although yes the nascar chasis is a better start
@@the-real-big-vic7359 you would have to buy that already if you were building one.
There are a lot of 5 year old chassis just sitting around that people could easily use to get their start. They’re going to be heavier but at least you could go out and be safe
@@mtpruden do you need to run a dog box in pro am and shit?
Im excited
You can actually just buy curved tie rods. Don’t cut on those
Hit a curb and flip them.
So awesome
Drift week car! : D
Do s15 front suspension. You got tons of parts already.
Will you be cutting a factory car for a shell? If you look at the comments you gotta join street legal stock cars facebook group
Sweet
I'll take the circle track wheels for my chevelle!
Doesn't every 5/6 speed transmission default to 3rd and 4th? And have to press over for 1st and 2nd.
Really cool project, but man does it erk me when people just blanket oval cars as NASCAR cars. This car is a Late Model stock car, more than likely raced at local short tracks and MAY have been run at some NASCAR sanctioned tracks, but the only cars that are NASCAR cars are the Trucks, Xfinity, and Cup cars which are all a specific chassis designs for those specific classes.
amazing.
Try carburated stuff on northern east coast .. thay why not
Isn't that how the DW86 came to be as well?
Love it
Way to avoid future EPA problems!
Cool ass project. $1800 for that body is insane lol
Be careful moving those bars behind the wheel... they are there to stop your feet being the crumple-zone in an accident, I assume.
I can't hear you over the sound of this cutting wheel.
@@LoneStarDrift Lmao 🤣
you can buy dirt track chassis cheap around here. i always said this would be super cheap.
this thing runs so fucking good
I think the sloppy antiroll bar is actually done on purpose.
What about a series with this chassis and Silvia frp bodies
Buy the chevy fiberglass body primed out,make the stickers of S13 lights etc
Yes build series fuck yes homie
Interesting, please add a cool old body rather than a stock car body 👍👍
hey man if you start cutting stuff of that thing its going to bendy and flexy as hell
Increaseing control arm length and decreasing scrub radius would solve a ton of the clearance issues. Seems like a no brainer to lengthen both the upper and lower.
It sure would improve self-steer. You're going to have ridiculous scrub radius with just spacers. I can't imagine the idler system on a Saginaw box would let you get away with that much leverage at lock.
That's a Saginaw power steering box just like your YJ used. There are a ton of other ratios. You could swap the box to change your lock/lock ratio and keep the quicker if you didn't want to deal with more fab work. It has a pitman arm on the box. The arm on the passenger rail is the idler arm. A lot of people call this a push-pull steering system.
What body / shell u going to try to put on it
carbs are great until you get lat g's going. since its a track car though the carb has prolly already been modified to combat carb fuel starvation.
100k subsss let's gooo
Where would you find these for sale especially online?
Nice
Wonder if a diesel would work on it
Not for drifting, too heavy.
Ah a steering box on a drift car. You can't backdrive a worm and wheel steering box that's why you couldn't move it by the tires. There's probably more stock of small block parts at this point compared to ls.
Looking waaaaayyy down the line The Next Gen cars (debuting this year) would be the way to go for Drifting once they start retiring them from the Cup Series etc
Sequential 5 speed gearboxes and Independant Rears for the first time (instead of Solid Axle rear)
And as for repairs theres a great video of Austin Dillon crashing one in testing and the team having the car back out in under an hour.
Check out this video from Dale Jnr's podcast where they talk to the Head guy for develpoment of the Chevy's for RCR
ruclips.net/video/VfUg6iS7kc8/видео.html
And heres another by Chevy Themselves
ruclips.net/video/VLSrtjacvIE/видео.html
yeah those are gunna be half a million dollar cars or more lol, i dont think any regular scrub is going to be able to buy one lmao
@@Atari8888 Like I said, waaaaayyyyy down the line like 20 + years
You should go drift it before completely redoing it
use a 240 front subframe with a custom corvette rear subframe with a quick change rear end tt LS oh yeah i could help you fab up custom coilover top hats and I'm pretty sure we can find you a body unless you want it to be open wheel or you could do a tubed chassis that is the shap of a 350z or 240sx I'm very smart and could design everything on a laptop with some help
i can also for a full custom carbon fiber body where we have a full set of custom designed models from a stock 350z but who has a full scan of a 350z i think kbd does lol they might already have the models I'm sorry I'm very well taught
Where the hell did you buy it?
The steering stuff is the same as a OBS Chevy truck
this should be cool