Had so much more planned for this video but I just could NOT get a take I liked. Hopefully it was still informative, and Jangular and I plan to do this kind of stuff regularly so give him some support! ruclips.net/user/Jangular
Walcom S7 I think most people (including me) think they are cause many people don’t use those special 3D printed guns and most people don’t do it out in the open a lot
@@BradleyPhillipsYT I literally used a singled titan at Dart Warz and it was chipping paint off their concrete walls and they didn't ban it because they had no FPS caps. Problems was the RSCB it was hard to tell if it was loaded or not a lot of the time. I bought clear PVC and fittings to fix that but I stopped going because it was boring facing the same thing every time. But this was like 2012/2013.
Side note to the original player talked about in this video complaining about flywheelers being OP against springers. Have they NOT seen Brad's gameplay videos?
I remember my friend banned the Nemesis in his arena. Then I saw his arena. barricades every meter, I could barely hold my heavy guns without bumping on a barricade. Small blasters and flanking were way more adapted. He just banned the Nemesis because people online said it was OP without even realizing he had the perfect arena to counter this OPness.
The player makes the blaster. Balance is why it is nice to see higher skill players play with goofy blasters sometimes. They still get tags, but it levels the field for others. Nothing is the absolute best overall, gotta find what works for you in the situation.
I like weirdo blasters like my buzz be destiny and random bow and arrow types. They are just fun. Unless someone trash talks me then the weirdo stuff goes up and it’s Jordan in the 4th quarter time.
Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Flywheel Nation attacked. Only the Jangular, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished.
I... actually know exactly who you're talking about. I don't want to kick a man when he's down, so I won't name names... buuuuut I was there for his post, and was all "Dude, I don't Nerf to kick ass and take names. I Nerf because I like playing with toys." And I'm the guy who takes to the field in an armored lab-coat with way too many pistols.
I just want to add that if you're a good shot in CQB, a springer is able to shoot first against a flywheeler who has to rev up. If you miss though, you're usually screwed. And if they're pre-revving you can hear exactly where they are and aim accordingly for the pre-aim shot advantage.
Bradley Phillips right now there’s a month long wait time for them, and they’re $368 USD. Not exactly for everyone, but I’ve got one on the way so I’ll let you know how it turns out. Semi auto 300 fps sounds like fun
That literally happened at last year's Armageddon. My LS vs a select fire stryfe. We got each other around the corner. I got the shot off first on his surprise attack.
I'm an admin at our local wars. We have a 250 fps cap. Flywheels just cant hang with our 250 fps caliburns. Of course our fields are pretty open with minimal cover. We do have one field with alot of trees on one side and they do pretty well there. But the caliburns just stay out of those areas and use range to win. We have about 12 caliburns now at any given time and they seem to work best for our wars. Recently we have started a "kid friendly war" with 130 fps cap every other month. Flywheels definitely rule the day for those. So really it's like what everyone else is saying. It all depends on the circumstances of field, caps, and players ability.
As a BTA player I can say the caliburn's accuracy is far more important than the feet per second. Especially considering our FPS limit currently is 150.
Yeah the accuracy is a huge boon, but the ability to suppress and tag multiple targets can't be understated either. If your team lapses and some guy pops up and tags all of you in one go it's going to be REALLY hard to make up that time in KOTH.
Exactly. I'm an FDL main, I can hit 170-175 with burst fire and decent accuracy in my home arena, which is effectively a basketball court with a ton of cover. However, I have a heavy loadout and I'm a larger, slower target than Perses mains, who run a lot lighter and are more nimble than me, but they don't have a lot of endurance, so they can't keep up their fire for as long. Likewise, Caliburn mains could stick a Titan drum on their Caliburns and that one magazine would likely last them several rounds, but their accuracy and access to cover makes them better equipped to take me down, given I'm a slower-moving, larger target. You need the marksmen, heavy support and light rifleman players to work together to accomplish a task. Heavy support for suppressive fire, marksmen to pick off individual targets, and light riflemen to exploit and encircle suppressed enemies.
The funny thing about the complainer that kicked this off is he does have a Caliburn (he's selling his whole collection with the exception of this) and apparently he mods also (flywheelers, I think). He just wasn't prepared for this particular thing (his photo has him with a presumably stock Turbo Advance). NoNonsenseNerfing's blasters shoot maybe 150-160 and this event had no FPS cap, so people could have gone much higher.
I really like this kind of meta-discussion content! Arena design is a really important part of how the game is balanced, as your example clearly shows - depending on the arena, a blowgun (or any other type of blaster) can become overpowered or underpowered if the arena style plays strongly to or against that blaster's strengths. Whether you're an event organizer setting up the arena or a participant battling in it, you should think through how the play area and game mode will affect how you and your opponents will play. A good arena and rules set should provide places for people with different blasters and playstyles to do their thing. Springers and single shot airguns have a range (and presumably accuracy) advantage and don't need to rev up, so they're great in open fields and long hallways, while flywheel and semi/full auto airguns are great for pushing objectives or stopping pushes with their volume of fire. Flywheels are very good at some things, but if you don't challenge them at the things they're good at, you'll stop finding them "overpowered". Same goes for any blaster type (unless you're in a bad arena like that blowgun killzone where you don't really have a way to avoid those strengths).
That feeling when the first guy (with duel hammershots)is being locked on by the guy with the Prometheus.thats why away try to run similar blaster games
I can't sit here and deny they don't dominate in close quarters/ROF, but fire rate doesn't matter for shit if someone shoots 2-3x farther than you. I battled my friend with a sentinel with me using a rampage, and that's only like 5-15 feet of range difference, in CLOSE quarters, but I could NEVER hit him because he'd always stay in that EXACT range away where he could reach me but I couldn't reach him without angling upwards.
If people feel that something's overpowered, they can always make house rules for events like awarding points, total ammo limits, different fps caps, different respawn times, or even something like emp events that freeze the use of battery tools for a certain times. Cardgames have banlists and erattas to balance tournaments, and there's no reason why nerf event organizers can't make custom rules to balance play. If I was putting something together, I'd totally explore this, namely for rival blasters as their only downside has to do with clean up.
So... not to be that guy but at this point in the hobby I scarcely see anyone show up without essentially a smattering of both Springer primary's a trusty ole sidearm and usually at least an upgraded flyheeler of some sort...
I personally think all types of blasters have their part in a loadout, flywheels or air powered are good for a backup, a springer or flywheel is a good primary or secondary. Everything has a part... exept for rubber band blasters... dont use a rubber band blaster... ever
I’ve never been to a war/event. I have been to friends homes where we shot each other at near point blank ranges with Mavericks and Recons. I remember the first time that I saw a flywheel blaster. A friend got a barricade and dual wielded them. We learned to dodge a lot... he had to reload eventually. Then we delivered springer justice! Good times.
Another great and balanced video. I personally believe that both systems have their pros and cons, and it is up to the player to find out what works best for them.
I think we all needed this video at least as a reminder of reality and what this hobby is really about: just having fun and being able to use what you’ve got whether amazing or not, and also that there is truly no “best blaster period” in reality. Big thumbs up to this video and to Walcom & Jangular for sharing their wisdom and insight.
Regardless if you're, "just having fun" people are going to be competitive and crappy people are going to complain about things. Thankfully NERF is just super fun to allow such a wide variety of playing styles.
this is a really interesting topic. in my personal experience i have noticed that flywheel blasters tend to be better then pretty much anything else at my local war. now this isn't because flywheels are inherently better. I think it's because our arena is fairly small. (anything about 130 fps shooting normal darts can clear the whole arena.). this leads to a situation where at the beginning of each match the enemy team just peppers us with darts at our spawn. this usually tags out 1 or 2 of our players. now if you don't get tagged out at the start things are pretty fun. but those times when they just get a lucky shot from across the arena before you could even shoot once is really demoralizing. it is due to this game imbalance that we have started doing "pistols only" rounds. people seem to like them more because you usually need to aim a bit more. you can't just dump a 18 round mag on someone with a super stryfe. the "pistol rounds" we play tend to go on longer and be closer games too. that's just my take on it. in the end what is overpowered comes down to what arena you are playing in.
Oh i remember it was that thriftstorefoamwarrior guy on Instagram that was acting real salty about flywheelers a few days ago. I liked his thrift hauls but he seemed way to 'gatekeepy' about the hobby it was off putting
As with almost all important life questions, the answer is it depends. But I would say do your best to focus on improving yourself before complaining about blasters
Well I feel the shares a lot of the same opinions as me, I still think there is a case to be made for OP. Skipping over competitive Nerf and local Nerf wars, the quest for stronger blasters in flywheel was driven in part a lot by HvZ in my opinion. As HvZ rises in popularity along with Nerf, we get more and better technology to push the Blaster limitations. You can literally build a blaster for HvZ that is not able to be used using parts listed for that type of game..... I think I might have to do something on this as well.... The summarized badly my opinion, the quest for better technology has gotten "out of control." Kind of think of it as the Cuban missile crisis, the fear of impending threat causes you to arm yourself better than the other guy (sprinkled in with it healthy amount of bragging rights band they need to make money).
Oh my god, this reminds me of the time I got yelled at by some guy for using a stock Stryfe. It was the day after the local Walmart put them on shelves, so a lot of people didn’t have one yet.
I can have a great time with any of my blasters. I've got them tuned up the way I want them and ready to be competitive. The rest is up to me and how I use them. The next event I go to in a couple weeks, I'm going to take 8 different blasters. Every time I get hit and go back to base, I have to change blasters. That'll be interesting!
Was the Raider or Stampede OP for HvZ when they first came out? Game breaking??? Nope. OutofDarts was tagged at Endwar while wearing a Proton Pack with 2 Jupiters. Playstyle, strategy, and experience comboed together will *always* outdo what blaster someone has. I've seen kids with stock blasters wreck people with NIC primaries. Also, the guy who posted this on Instagram is a wanker. Had to kick him from NMW because he said that he would buy a Titan, take the 50 round drum out of the package, then return the blaster for a refund because he didn't want the crappy blaster, just the accessory.... as well as that you could cut the UPC code off one item and put it over the Fortnite blasters when Target had them on shelves but wouldn't sell them because "Target should know better" and something about how it should be illegal for them to do that. AND he said, in this Instagram post, (and I quote) "The only strategy I eventually cane up with that worked was he was the only one using Mega ammo so I started stepping on all his darts so he couldn’t reload them" I hope every war this guy goes to is unfun and he eventually quits the hobby.
He already quit. Not only will nobody play with the guy, nobody will want to interact with him online unless he tries to be anonymous, and he's trying to sell his collection (and apparently struggling).
Flywheels vs Springers one is not an advantage over the other. Stock vs modded can give an unfair advantage buy that's why tou game types, stock, superStock, pistol round etc If you have a small space jolts are fun. So its down to the mods and game rules to make thinks fun.
Over in Georgia at drac senc we find WAY to many fdl, like I can just point out all the people with fdl s, and yes the project fdl people play at our games, but I get tags a lot with.my modified pistols
Alex Marin I run stock primary’s but always have my m6 on my tac vest (it’s modded) and a few other modded blasters, I got a but load of tags during a pistol style round with a k26 brassed nightfinder
That place you talked about at the beginning seems like a good place to bring an absolver Titan. Automatic compressor, clip fed buzzbee sticky. Sit there in the back and shoot them to the point where they kick you out.
This was a great “discussion” format video from two of our hobby’s finest one of the thing I like about my field is how variable it is there are some parts where it mostly open with a couple tarp covers and their are areas that have tons of cover in a smaller area it means you can run either springer or fly wheeler and not be at a disadvantage
i like flywheels personally. but when im playing in my back yard and theres a big open space and my dad decimates me with a springer with a beefy spring, say the kronos. ik a stock kronos isnt amazing, but it would be with say a 26kg spring, which is y i have not gotten around to buying some
That comment pissed me off as well. Mostly the part where he talked about destroying others darts. That said I ran across the video of the war he was talking about it and I can see why he was frustrated. Looks like two guys with supped up blasters just picking off guys in an open field. There is 7+ minutes of footage of a guy walking around just mowing down people without ever getting tagged. Check it out here; ruclips.net/video/m5MfBy-REpM/видео.html
So it wasn't even the blaster that was the problem, but the game in general at that point. I can see the frustration, but to get so offended and belligerent because the game had some design problems is just childish and... grossly offensive. This is one of those reasons why I wish I could get an arena going because I know there's plenty of ways to balance this stuff out with just changing the play area. Multiple lanes and sight-lines of different lengths would help immensely. Eliminate corners. Battlefields should work like race tracks, not hallways.
Walcom S7 agreed. I don’t mind that he was upset about the game but his actions of threatening people and breaking their stuff are uncalled for and have no room in the hobby. The linked games would have been fine with adequate cover and better attitudes by both parties. It is kind of cheap to sit there and now down a bunch of guys in basically an open field who are running stock blasters. It just seemed like a frustration post by someone who needs to grow up a bit. Great video as always.
I was a mod at that event, but was working rules meetings at the time - Our cover sucks. We are working on new ones that can handle the wind better, but those were designed for indoors. My fellow mods always work to make sure people are having fun and that things aren't too unreasonable. They tried to make the best out of a flat field with terrible cover and uncooperative weather. The player in question just had a bad attitude once he was placed on an opposing team. If he had talked to the mods about the issues he felt he was having, they would have tried to fix it. Instead he gave everyone attitude, destroyed someone's darts, and didn't follow game rules. I've played against those blasters in question with just a crossbolt and did fine. I'm not saying he didn't have room to complain, but we did not have anyone else react the way that he did
In this hobby, every bit of your blaster is an excersize in comprimise. Gain FPS, lose ROF Gain accuracy lose FPS Gain ROF lose ammo conservation. I could go on and on
Great video man. Straight talk is good sometimes. Every blaster has it's place and challenging that place can be fun. I take the field with blasters I've put a looot of time and tuning in and still always feel challenged by players who are good with any blaster in their hand.
The "best of both worlds" blaster in this case would be a tank-fed semi-auto, full-auto, or select-fire HPA: the power of a springer with the fire rate of a flywheeler.
If there is an OP system (somewhat independant of its surroundings and forgetting differences in player skills for a minute) it would be an open bolt select fire HPA blaster with self contained airsource... no rev up (instant shots!) and the ability to switch between semi and full auto... with the added bonus that is it easy to reach ‘sniper status’ FPS numbers (when this is needed) but easily dialed down (via the reg) to whatever FPS limit is set. I understand why you guys suggest a springer can land a dart faster on its target than a flywheeler but this is only the case when that springer is already primed... player skills dictate it should be but ‘in a ditch’ with multiple targets around... that is not always the case. Don’t get me wrong. I am all for diversity on the field and as little restriction as possible to what people can bring to their games (within safety limits). In my mind (as a developer) the intent to ‘break the game’ by creating something overpowered in comparisson to what we have today ‘is’ what pushes our hobby forward... also... think Newton... every action has an oposite reaction... You bring something to the field that ‘breaks the game’ and all it does is push me (and many others) to regain ballance by finding ways to counter your gamestyle. Be it with new hardware... or with new tactics. It’s all good!
But then theres cases of where something is so overpowered like let's say over on a game I know of called MUGEN where it's literally impossible to beat someone using that thing because the thing theg picked doesn't even let you have a chance to act. One example I know of is a character named Killall who is literally just that. This character doesn't let it's opposition get a chance to act at all.
Accuracy and effective range on Darts is far superior to Rival, in fact Rival is pretty much only good for volume. In stock-ish wars it's fine, but once you're going against 150-200 FPS blasters Rival doesn't work well unless you're close, and even then you're going to burn through ammo like mad (which is expensive). Can it be useful? Sure, but it's not going to dominate anything unless it's all CQC.
From my experience Rival can only hit something 30ft away reliably, any further and you get rounds curving wildly even out of a Kronos which is touted by the Rival crowd for accuracy. Even full length darts fired out of a springer with a SCAR can hit things at 100ft reliably.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Yes, half darts are more accurate, I'll give you that. But they are an entirely different class than standard full-length Elite IMHO
@@BradleyPhillipsYT My Rival blasters do a bang up job at up to 100ft. Admittedly I have to arc the shots because Rivals are 2x as heavy as Nerf darts, but that's it. The issue you may be having is with the hopup, as the rounds will always curve in the direction of the hopup.
I'm one of the individuals involved in that "unenjoyable Nerf war" post. Needless to say, said complainant was hardly telling the whole truth, however the point about the meta still needs to be discussed.
It's healthy to bring this up every once in a while. People do take it seriously, and they can only take it seriously because it's a game. I'm not against people getting into it and getting emotional, but threatening physical violence, admitting to destroying other people's property? That's a no-go.
HPA tho. I’m going to get hate for this, but it’s the most overpowered thing possible right now. It’s sort of a pay to win. You get the range of a springer and then some, and even faster rate of fire. I’m not saying it will break the game, but once they become more popular we may have to change the way our games operate
The downside of HPA is the tank. Cheaper, more accessible tanks are heavy and they do run out. You're also kinda tethered to it. It's definitely powerful for the most part but has some obvious downsides.
It’s really isn’t pay to win, you can pay to buy parts but you still need work to be put in. You don’t even have to pay much. I have made a full blaster and tank setup for under $50
In my opinion flywheel blasters are overpowered *in stock only games* because you get more fir rate but the same range however in super stock games jangular is right flywheel blasters get faster fire rate but less range and springers have more range and less fire rate
Debatable to be honest, there's plenty of stock Springers that destroy the best of Stock flywheelers. Stock flywheels have a literal, "delay" before firing that Springers do not. When modified this is less of a problem but it's definitely still apparent.
Stock springers like the alpha troper can fire at maximum rate without a range "penalty" like flywheelers do, and they can fire immidiatly unlike flywheelers.
I think that air powered blasters are better than Springer and flywheels, Simply because they are stronger but Springer and flywheel have a ton of modding potential.
@@svxnation6192 Not especially, something like a modded AT3K is perfectly fine unless it hits over the FPS limit. Your main issue is actually fire rate.
If you want to play checkers, play checkers. Personally I find it incredibly boring when everybody is using the same thing, which is literally the reason I stopped going to Dart Warz. I wasn't having fun always dealing with Blowgunners and focusing on trying to counter them at every turn.
Had so much more planned for this video but I just could NOT get a take I liked. Hopefully it was still informative, and Jangular and I plan to do this kind of stuff regularly so give him some support!
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Walcom S7 you should read my comment, btw love your vids
Walcom S7 I think most people (including me) think they are cause many people don’t use those special 3D printed guns and most people don’t do it out in the open a lot
Personally I don’t believe in a “master race” type of blasters.
“One blaster that rule them all”
It is all up to the players’ flexibility.
Soh Kwong Hwee hpa?
Most Hpa has a pretty sloe rof
"There is only one blaster to rule them all. THE JOLT"
@@keonofficial9376 everything else is a reskin
Guys hiding inside cardboard boxes with blow guns? Time for some FVJs out of your Caliburn. Call it armor piercing ammo.
That wasn't a thing back then unfortunately. Now I have several blasters that would destroy them, even if I was stuck using Buzzbee stickies.
How long ago was this? Were singled Titans a thing? 4B's?
@@BradleyPhillipsYT I literally used a singled titan at Dart Warz and it was chipping paint off their concrete walls and they didn't ban it because they had no FPS caps. Problems was the RSCB it was hard to tell if it was loaded or not a lot of the time. I bought clear PVC and fittings to fix that but I stopped going because it was boring facing the same thing every time. But this was like 2012/2013.
Side note to the original player talked about in this video complaining about flywheelers being OP against springers. Have they NOT seen Brad's gameplay videos?
That's brutal...😓 But I would love to see it.
I remember my friend banned the Nemesis in his arena. Then I saw his arena. barricades every meter, I could barely hold my heavy guns without bumping on a barricade. Small blasters and flanking were way more adapted. He just banned the Nemesis because people online said it was OP without even realizing he had the perfect arena to counter this OPness.
A carpenter can make something beautiful with any level of tools, a person without skill can have the best tools and make garbage.
Well yeah but wouldn't it be easier with a drill? Same thing with fly wheels
It's an ease of use thing
Eduardo Newman very insprining, wow....
I never thought I'd see a "meta" discussion for foam flingers
Never thought I'd see nerf as a fan-made sport with teams and stuff too.
Happens fairly often in event running meetings, bound to leak into the community here and there
The player makes the blaster. Balance is why it is nice to see higher skill players play with goofy blasters sometimes. They still get tags, but it levels the field for others. Nothing is the absolute best overall, gotta find what works for you in the situation.
Hey!! Titan Rocket!
@@homelee665 YEAH! ANOTHER TITAN ROCKET JOINS THE RANKS!
I like weirdo blasters like my buzz be destiny and random bow and arrow types. They are just fun. Unless someone trash talks me then the weirdo stuff goes up and it’s Jordan in the 4th quarter time.
Excellent. Jangular is one of the best people to address this topic. Well said, gents.
Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Flywheel Nation attacked. Only the Jangular, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished.
Christopher Leow the most amazing comment I’ve found.
@@nine552 thanks. Apologies to Jangular though ^_^;;
I... actually know exactly who you're talking about. I don't want to kick a man when he's down, so I won't name names... buuuuut I was there for his post, and was all "Dude, I don't Nerf to kick ass and take names. I Nerf because I like playing with toys."
And I'm the guy who takes to the field in an armored lab-coat with way too many pistols.
I just want to add that if you're a good shot in CQB, a springer is able to shoot first against a flywheeler who has to rev up. If you miss though, you're usually screwed. And if they're pre-revving you can hear exactly where they are and aim accordingly for the pre-aim shot advantage.
There's always a tradeoff I guess... until somebody makes a semi-auto version of the spring thunder. then we're all screwed.
Just use the longshot self-priming stock I've seen shared online.
Bradley Phillips right now there’s a month long wait time for them, and they’re $368 USD. Not exactly for everyone, but I’ve got one on the way so I’ll let you know how it turns out. Semi auto 300 fps sounds like fun
That literally happened at last year's Armageddon. My LS vs a select fire stryfe. We got each other around the corner. I got the shot off first on his surprise attack.
I'm an admin at our local wars. We have a 250 fps cap. Flywheels just cant hang with our 250 fps caliburns. Of course our fields are pretty open with minimal cover. We do have one field with alot of trees on one side and they do pretty well there. But the caliburns just stay out of those areas and use range to win. We have about 12 caliburns now at any given time and they seem to work best for our wars. Recently we have started a "kid friendly war" with 130 fps cap every other month. Flywheels definitely rule the day for those. So really it's like what everyone else is saying. It all depends on the circumstances of field, caps, and players ability.
As a BTA player I can say the caliburn's accuracy is far more important than the feet per second. Especially considering our FPS limit currently is 150.
Yeah the accuracy is a huge boon, but the ability to suppress and tag multiple targets can't be understated either. If your team lapses and some guy pops up and tags all of you in one go it's going to be REALLY hard to make up that time in KOTH.
Hm.
This person's weapon is better than mine.
I guess I'll just, *use more weapon.*
Use a worse weapon so when you eventually tag them out it's more satisfying
Exactly. I'm an FDL main, I can hit 170-175 with burst fire and decent accuracy in my home arena, which is effectively a basketball court with a ton of cover. However, I have a heavy loadout and I'm a larger, slower target than Perses mains, who run a lot lighter and are more nimble than me, but they don't have a lot of endurance, so they can't keep up their fire for as long.
Likewise, Caliburn mains could stick a Titan drum on their Caliburns and that one magazine would likely last them several rounds, but their accuracy and access to cover makes them better equipped to take me down, given I'm a slower-moving, larger target.
You need the marksmen, heavy support and light rifleman players to work together to accomplish a task. Heavy support for suppressive fire, marksmen to pick off individual targets, and light riflemen to exploit and encircle suppressed enemies.
Nothing sweeter to tag out an fdl3 with a jolt. 😎
"I'm a large target..." Me too, buddy, me too.
Still always have a damn good time.
The funny thing about the complainer that kicked this off is he does have a Caliburn (he's selling his whole collection with the exception of this) and apparently he mods also (flywheelers, I think). He just wasn't prepared for this particular thing (his photo has him with a presumably stock Turbo Advance). NoNonsenseNerfing's blasters shoot maybe 150-160 and this event had no FPS cap, so people could have gone much higher.
I really like this kind of meta-discussion content!
Arena design is a really important part of how the game is balanced, as your example clearly shows - depending on the arena, a blowgun (or any other type of blaster) can become overpowered or underpowered if the arena style plays strongly to or against that blaster's strengths. Whether you're an event organizer setting up the arena or a participant battling in it, you should think through how the play area and game mode will affect how you and your opponents will play. A good arena and rules set should provide places for people with different blasters and playstyles to do their thing. Springers and single shot airguns have a range (and presumably accuracy) advantage and don't need to rev up, so they're great in open fields and long hallways, while flywheel and semi/full auto airguns are great for pushing objectives or stopping pushes with their volume of fire. Flywheels are very good at some things, but if you don't challenge them at the things they're good at, you'll stop finding them "overpowered". Same goes for any blaster type (unless you're in a bad arena like that blowgun killzone where you don't really have a way to avoid those strengths).
That feeling when the first guy (with duel hammershots)is being locked on by the guy with the Prometheus.thats why away try to run similar blaster games
If you chose the Hammershot you knew you were putting yourself at a disadvantage lol
I can't sit here and deny they don't dominate in close quarters/ROF, but fire rate doesn't matter for shit if someone shoots 2-3x farther than you. I battled my friend with a sentinel with me using a rampage, and that's only like 5-15 feet of range difference, in CLOSE quarters, but I could NEVER hit him because he'd always stay in that EXACT range away where he could reach me but I couldn't reach him without angling upwards.
If people feel that something's overpowered, they can always make house rules for events like awarding points, total ammo limits, different fps caps, different respawn times, or even something like emp events that freeze the use of battery tools for a certain times. Cardgames have banlists and erattas to balance tournaments, and there's no reason why nerf event organizers can't make custom rules to balance play. If I was putting something together, I'd totally explore this, namely for rival blasters as their only downside has to do with clean up.
So... not to be that guy but at this point in the hobby I scarcely see anyone show up without essentially a smattering of both Springer primary's a trusty ole sidearm and usually at least an upgraded flyheeler of some sort...
I personally think all types of blasters have their part in a loadout, flywheels or air powered are good for a backup, a springer or flywheel is a good primary or secondary. Everything has a part... exept for rubber band blasters... dont use a rubber band blaster... ever
I’ve never been to a war/event. I have been to friends homes where we shot each other at near point blank ranges with Mavericks and Recons. I remember the first time that I saw a flywheel blaster. A friend got a barricade and dual wielded them. We learned to dodge a lot... he had to reload eventually. Then we delivered springer justice! Good times.
Another great and balanced video. I personally believe that both systems have their pros and cons, and it is up to the player to find out what works best for them.
I think we all needed this video at least as a reminder of reality and what this hobby is really about: just having fun and being able to use what you’ve got whether amazing or not, and also that there is truly no “best blaster period” in reality. Big thumbs up to this video and to Walcom & Jangular for sharing their wisdom and insight.
Regardless if you're, "just having fun" people are going to be competitive and crappy people are going to complain about things. Thankfully NERF is just super fun to allow such a wide variety of playing styles.
Walcom S7 yes, with most of it being shotguns & pistols 😏
this is a really interesting topic. in my personal experience i have noticed that flywheel blasters tend to be better then pretty much anything else at my local war. now this isn't because flywheels are inherently better. I think it's because our arena is fairly small. (anything about 130 fps shooting normal darts can clear the whole arena.). this leads to a situation where at the beginning of each match the enemy team just peppers us with darts at our spawn. this usually tags out 1 or 2 of our players. now if you don't get tagged out at the start things are pretty fun. but those times when they just get a lucky shot from across the arena before you could even shoot once is really demoralizing. it is due to this game imbalance that we have started doing "pistols only" rounds. people seem to like them more because you usually need to aim a bit more. you can't just dump a 18 round mag on someone with a super stryfe. the "pistol rounds" we play tend to go on longer and be closer games too. that's just my take on it. in the end what is overpowered comes down to what arena you are playing in.
Oh i remember it was that thriftstorefoamwarrior guy on Instagram that was acting real salty about flywheelers a few days ago. I liked his thrift hauls but he seemed way to 'gatekeepy' about the hobby it was off putting
He was as unpleasant in person as he is online.
So uh coop and Walcom might go into a nerf civil war calling flywheels garage lol
Good to see Jang dipping back into videos, he has a cool way about him, and very well considered opinions.
It shouldn’t matter what you are running with as long as you and everyone who you are playing with is having fun!!
Nah. I won a 20 person last man standing by ditching my flywheel for a disruptor. Best weapon.
My evader and my regulator do get low fps when I use rapid fire, can u tell me why this happens? I use normal elite darts btw
Sergeant Human that's usual for flywheels
**sees title** no, hpa is overpowered
What's hpa?
@@atnorange5491 high pressure air
As with almost all important life questions, the answer is it depends. But I would say do your best to focus on improving yourself before complaining about blasters
Well I feel the shares a lot of the same opinions as me, I still think there is a case to be made for OP. Skipping over competitive Nerf and local Nerf wars, the quest for stronger blasters in flywheel was driven in part a lot by HvZ in my opinion. As HvZ rises in popularity along with Nerf, we get more and better technology to push the Blaster limitations. You can literally build a blaster for HvZ that is not able to be used using parts listed for that type of game..... I think I might have to do something on this as well.... The summarized badly my opinion, the quest for better technology has gotten "out of control." Kind of think of it as the Cuban missile crisis, the fear of impending threat causes you to arm yourself better than the other guy (sprinkled in with it healthy amount of bragging rights band they need to make money).
Oh my god, this reminds me of the time I got yelled at by some guy for using a stock Stryfe. It was the day after the local Walmart put them on shelves, so a lot of people didn’t have one yet.
On another note with a terrain advantage I was "over-powered" with a stock hammershot and a pouch full of darts, against other stock blasters.
I can have a great time with any of my blasters. I've got them tuned up the way I want them and ready to be competitive. The rest is up to me and how I use them. The next event I go to in a couple weeks, I'm going to take 8 different blasters. Every time I get hit and go back to base, I have to change blasters. That'll be interesting!
Great stuff bro, I completely agree.
Was the Raider or Stampede OP for HvZ when they first came out? Game breaking??? Nope.
OutofDarts was tagged at Endwar while wearing a Proton Pack with 2 Jupiters.
Playstyle, strategy, and experience comboed together will *always* outdo what blaster someone has. I've seen kids with stock blasters wreck people with NIC primaries.
Also, the guy who posted this on Instagram is a wanker. Had to kick him from NMW because he said that he would buy a Titan, take the 50 round drum out of the package, then return the blaster for a refund because he didn't want the crappy blaster, just the accessory.... as well as that you could cut the UPC code off one item and put it over the Fortnite blasters when Target had them on shelves but wouldn't sell them because "Target should know better" and something about how it should be illegal for them to do that.
AND he said, in this Instagram post, (and I quote) "The only strategy I eventually cane up with that worked was he was the only one using Mega ammo so I started stepping on all his darts so he couldn’t reload them"
I hope every war this guy goes to is unfun and he eventually quits the hobby.
He already quit. Not only will nobody play with the guy, nobody will want to interact with him online unless he tries to be anonymous, and he's trying to sell his collection (and apparently struggling).
Flywheels vs Springers one is not an advantage over the other.
Stock vs modded can give an unfair advantage buy that's why tou game types, stock, superStock, pistol round etc
If you have a small space jolts are fun.
So its down to the mods and game rules to make thinks fun.
glad Jangular is doing well
Over in Georgia at drac senc we find WAY to many fdl, like I can just point out all the people with fdl s, and yes the project fdl people play at our games, but I get tags a lot with.my modified pistols
What do you run? I might’ve played with u a month or two ago lol; I love targeting the people who run fdls
Alex Marin I run stock primary’s but always have my m6 on my tac vest (it’s modded) and a few other modded blasters, I got a but load of tags during a pistol style round with a k26 brassed nightfinder
That place you talked about at the beginning seems like a good place to bring an absolver Titan. Automatic compressor, clip fed buzzbee sticky. Sit there in the back and shoot them to the point where they kick you out.
This was a great “discussion” format video from two of our hobby’s finest one of the thing I like about my field is how variable it is there are some parts where it mostly open with a couple tarp covers and their are areas that have tons of cover in a smaller area it means you can run either springer or fly wheeler and not be at a disadvantage
We plan on doing more and we'll nail things down better.
i like flywheels personally.
but when im playing in my back yard and theres a big open space and my dad decimates me with a springer with a beefy spring, say the kronos.
ik a stock kronos isnt amazing, but it would be with say a 26kg spring, which is y i have not gotten around to buying some
I was entertained and I learned something, thank you!
That comment pissed me off as well. Mostly the part where he talked about destroying others darts. That said I ran across the video of the war he was talking about it and I can see why he was frustrated. Looks like two guys with supped up blasters just picking off guys in an open field. There is 7+ minutes of footage of a guy walking around just mowing down people without ever getting tagged. Check it out here; ruclips.net/video/m5MfBy-REpM/видео.html
So it wasn't even the blaster that was the problem, but the game in general at that point. I can see the frustration, but to get so offended and belligerent because the game had some design problems is just childish and... grossly offensive. This is one of those reasons why I wish I could get an arena going because I know there's plenty of ways to balance this stuff out with just changing the play area. Multiple lanes and sight-lines of different lengths would help immensely. Eliminate corners. Battlefields should work like race tracks, not hallways.
Walcom S7 agreed. I don’t mind that he was upset about the game but his actions of threatening people and breaking their stuff are uncalled for and have no room in the hobby. The linked games would have been fine with adequate cover and better attitudes by both parties. It is kind of cheap to sit there and now down a bunch of guys in basically an open field who are running stock blasters. It just seemed like a frustration post by someone who needs to grow up a bit. Great video as always.
I was a mod at that event, but was working rules meetings at the time - Our cover sucks. We are working on new ones that can handle the wind better, but those were designed for indoors. My fellow mods always work to make sure people are having fun and that things aren't too unreasonable. They tried to make the best out of a flat field with terrible cover and uncooperative weather. The player in question just had a bad attitude once he was placed on an opposing team. If he had talked to the mods about the issues he felt he was having, they would have tried to fix it. Instead he gave everyone attitude, destroyed someone's darts, and didn't follow game rules. I've played against those blasters in question with just a crossbolt and did fine.
I'm not saying he didn't have room to complain, but we did not have anyone else react the way that he did
In this hobby, every bit of your blaster is an excersize in comprimise.
Gain FPS, lose ROF
Gain accuracy lose FPS
Gain ROF lose ammo conservation.
I could go on and on
Great topic! Happy to see Jang back and I’m interested to see what community else thinks!
.....shields and melee are the true op 😁
Can we just agree that everything is overpowered?My vintage lock n load doesn´t have the range of all these modern jolt reskins.OP.Pls Nerf.
This is cool walcom very interesting also big fan of Jang so great vid
"Flywheels OP"
>Caliburn that can fire lasers across the fucking football field
On the tiny chance that you didn't hear, the clear strongarm is back for sale (or perhaps for the first time) on amazon.
and here I had just rewired my brand new Nemesis...
Great video man. Straight talk is good sometimes. Every blaster has it's place and challenging that place can be fun. I take the field with blasters I've put a looot of time and tuning in and still always feel challenged by players who are good with any blaster in their hand.
Walcom with the deep introspection. Thumbs up sir!
WS7
Cool video. Thanks for all the hard work. Keep the good stuff coming.
Thanks buddy, I have lots of stuff planned.
Well done ,I'm a flywheel person and I even thinking to switch or give both choices a deaper understand of which one could be right for me
The "best of both worlds" blaster in this case would be a tank-fed semi-auto, full-auto, or select-fire HPA: the power of a springer with the fire rate of a flywheeler.
HPA are banned at most public events
And outright illegal in a lot of places due to the similarity to paintball
If there is an OP system (somewhat independant of its surroundings and forgetting differences in player skills for a minute) it would be an open bolt select fire HPA blaster with self contained airsource... no rev up (instant shots!) and the ability to switch between semi and full auto... with the added bonus that is it easy to reach ‘sniper status’ FPS numbers (when this is needed) but easily dialed down (via the reg) to whatever FPS limit is set.
I understand why you guys suggest a springer can land a dart faster on its target than a flywheeler but this is only the case when that springer is already primed... player skills dictate it should be but ‘in a ditch’ with multiple targets around... that is not always the case.
Don’t get me wrong. I am all for diversity on the field and as little restriction as possible to what people can bring to their games (within safety limits). In my mind (as a developer) the intent to ‘break the game’ by creating something overpowered in comparisson to what we have today ‘is’ what pushes our hobby forward... also... think Newton... every action has an oposite reaction... You bring something to the field that ‘breaks the game’ and all it does is push me (and many others) to regain ballance by finding ways to counter your gamestyle. Be it with new hardware... or with new tactics.
It’s all good!
But then theres cases of where something is so overpowered like let's say over on a game I know of called MUGEN where it's literally impossible to beat someone using that thing because the thing theg picked doesn't even let you have a chance to act. One example I know of is a character named Killall who is literally just that. This character doesn't let it's opposition get a chance to act at all.
THEY BROKE YOUR GLASSES WITH A BUZZ BEE STICKY DART?
Rival > Elite. Change my Mind
Half darts > Rival = Elite
Accuracy and effective range on Darts is far superior to Rival, in fact Rival is pretty much only good for volume. In stock-ish wars it's fine, but once you're going against 150-200 FPS blasters Rival doesn't work well unless you're close, and even then you're going to burn through ammo like mad (which is expensive). Can it be useful? Sure, but it's not going to dominate anything unless it's all CQC.
From my experience Rival can only hit something 30ft away reliably, any further and you get rounds curving wildly even out of a Kronos which is touted by the Rival crowd for accuracy.
Even full length darts fired out of a springer with a SCAR can hit things at 100ft reliably.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Yes, half darts are more accurate, I'll give you that. But they are an entirely different class than standard full-length Elite IMHO
@@BradleyPhillipsYT My Rival blasters do a bang up job at up to 100ft. Admittedly I have to arc the shots because Rivals are 2x as heavy as Nerf darts, but that's it. The issue you may be having is with the hopup, as the rounds will always curve in the direction of the hopup.
Where was the original post that sparked this whole debate? I'd like to read it, if it's still up.
this is why i play with an elite alpha trooper. Because i dont need to shoot hard because i can flank my opponents.
I'm one of the individuals involved in that "unenjoyable Nerf war" post. Needless to say, said complainant was hardly telling the whole truth, however the point about the meta still needs to be discussed.
It's healthy to bring this up every once in a while. People do take it seriously, and they can only take it seriously because it's a game. I'm not against people getting into it and getting emotional, but threatening physical violence, admitting to destroying other people's property? That's a no-go.
Your married? I was always assumed you weren’t because you hadn’t mentioned her and I felt kinda bad, but then again I’m not married either.
We've been together for 10 years.
If you ever make it back to Boise, would you be willing to check out Nerfed? I'd really like to hear your opinion on it.
i felt like i felt in reddit during jungle inferno
What's your favorite blaster and mag type
Right now it's definitely the Dominator.
@@WalcomS7 ok ok I see very nice blaster of
choice mine is the jolt
The Problem is never the Blaster, its the game, the play enviroment or the mods.
PDK using a jolt in competitive nerf battles
PDK plays actual nerf battles?
Ok
HPA tho. I’m going to get hate for this, but it’s the most overpowered thing possible right now. It’s sort of a pay to win. You get the range of a springer and then some, and even faster rate of fire. I’m not saying it will break the game, but once they become more popular we may have to change the way our games operate
The downside of HPA is the tank. Cheaper, more accessible tanks are heavy and they do run out. You're also kinda tethered to it. It's definitely powerful for the most part but has some obvious downsides.
It’s really isn’t pay to win, you can pay to buy parts but you still need work to be put in. You don’t even have to pay much. I have made a full blaster and tank setup for under $50
Im a simple man. I see Jangular, I hit like.
What if... Automatic Caliburn or HAMP?
Banana
just use a stampede
In my opinion flywheel blasters are overpowered *in stock only games* because you get more fir rate but the same range however in super stock games jangular is right flywheel blasters get faster fire rate but less range and springers have more range and less fire rate
Debatable to be honest, there's plenty of stock Springers that destroy the best of Stock flywheelers. Stock flywheels have a literal, "delay" before firing that Springers do not. When modified this is less of a problem but it's definitely still apparent.
Stock springers like the alpha troper can fire at maximum rate without a range "penalty" like flywheelers do, and they can fire immidiatly unlike flywheelers.
Correction: HPA is overpowered
Ahhh, i see that you are now a man of culture
Eh I mean stock springers are better modded yikes STRYFE are god
I think that air powered blasters are better than Springer and flywheels, Simply because they are stronger but Springer and flywheel have a ton of modding potential.
Only issue is almost all modified ar powered blasters are banned at public events
@@svxnation6192 Not especially, something like a modded AT3K is perfectly fine unless it hits over the FPS limit. Your main issue is actually fire rate.
Can anyone tell me what the outro song is please? I will give you my firstborn.
Upside Down by Vita, it's a remix.
@@WalcomS7 I'd place you higher in my personal pantheon for that, but you're already at the top :)
Same I shot my brother with the evader and I the next day we had a close casket funeral
So you saying you they should be NERFED....
Op ness
Just use a jolt or a nerf grenade
Is it just me or should Springer only games be more relevant. Challenging and fun for all
If you want to play checkers, play checkers. Personally I find it incredibly boring when everybody is using the same thing, which is literally the reason I stopped going to Dart Warz. I wasn't having fun always dealing with Blowgunners and focusing on trying to counter them at every turn.
Now I've had time to think, yea I agree. Chess is fun for it's variety, and skill curve.l, checkers for it's simplicity
Dude how many of you guys are there i follow most i think.
1 word I assume. Dominator
Pretty good but a Caliburn is going to out-accuracy you every time.
what about air blasters with auto pumps
Sup
Flywheels are the best
YOU NEED AN AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THEN YOU WOULD BE IN THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS FLY WHEEL SHOTGUNZZZZ...
Yeah that's actually on my list of things to make, I have some ideas.
Where was this post...I wanna do a shitpost on it
Read some of these comments, others have posted the dude's instagram name and what not. It was also all over Shitty Nerf Modders Welcome.
Walcom S7 ....THE STRYFE EMPIRE WILL RISE ONCE MORE!
Did they do it with kids
Your
awesome bro