Build Order: Pop 1: Scout 2-7: Sheep 8-10: Wood 11: Get Boar 12: Build house -> berries 13: Mill at the berries 14-15: Berries Get a new boar when you have ~150 food on your first boar left 16-19: Boar Build a house at some point 20-22: Wood (2nd lumbercamp) -- Click to Feudal age -- Distribute villagers: 5+5 on wood 4 on berries 2 are building the Barrack Rest on sheep -> Trees close to TC What Build Order do you want to see next?
I would like to see an old school 4 vills fwd barrack/range/towers build. I can do it like the classic scout build but it kind of feels awkward for me.
Hey nili I haven't watched your vids for some time (or any other aoe 2 stuff at all) AoE2 DE brought me back! Your english has inproved so much since then. Really nice video!
Hey Nili, excellent video!! I always find it so hard to balance my early eco bc I get confused with how to allocate my pop. Your approach is really clear and the methods are very easy to follow, as well as the reasoning behind certain decisions. Thanks so much and keep it up my bro! Also congrats with the red bull tourney - it was the first time I'd watched a tournament live on twitch and you in particular answered a few of the questions I asked in the chat and honestly I really appreciated that instant feedback. You're awesome!!
Awesome! Build order guides in DE are a lot better for us as we can see all the time how many vills are on each res. So keep it up with the BO guides! Thanks!
There is so much potential in the shift-assign for vills. Pretty exciting to work on that and optimize the play. With that and auto-reseeding for farms one really should never have idles (before contact with the enemy of course, raiding changes things)
pop 22 feels late for scouts in de. Most of the time there are walls up. Pop 20 with early boars works better imo. Just take boars after first 2 sheeps and the rest is kind of simular, loom after 19 or 20 depending on food count.
Hi Nili. Great video. However, I have noticed what decides the type of opening you go for, whether it is maa, scouts, archers etc., is depended upon your opponent's civ as much as your own. I would therefore like to know more about how to counter the various civs. Like for instance, you often play maa against meso civs and civs with eco bonuses, even though you are a cavalry civ yourself.
Sehr gut gemacht Nili! Nicely done! Dein Englisch ist sehr verständlich, du sprichst ruhig und ansprechend, erklärst alles - was will man mehr. Von mir aus könnten ähnliche Videos (aber das wäre doppelt Arbeit) auch auf deutsch erscheinen ;) Muss aber nicht. Übringens: Vielen Dank für das AoE RBTV Event! Schade, dass Microsoft da technisch so stark versagt hat. Trotzdem habt ihr das gut über die Bühne gebracht! Bring die Bohnen doch mal wieder dazu Rage of Empires (mit dir zusammen) zu machen! :)
how are you going back to your scout like that in the beginning i know you have a command group set to him but when i press the number that corresponds to that command group it doesnt center him in my screen it just selects him. how do i find my scout without having to scroll through the map
I don't know if you agree Nili, for example if I'm planning to switch to xbows or CA in castle I prefer to do less farms in feudal and instead mill deers. (I usually do for example with huns or magyars)
Nice Video. I would have appriciated some insight into why pop 22 and not pop 21 scouts (what are the advantages disadvantages?) because I was under the impression that pop 21 sc was more popular for 1v1 nowadays.
Nice overview! If it's not too much work, I think an overlay showing the vil assignments would be nice. Basically what you posted in the comment, but on screen as it's happening so viewers can keep track and recap while watching.
Hey Nili, thanks a lot for this. Can you show more improvisations like the one where you decided to put down blacksmith instead of second archery range? The decision making after build order would be cool to see.
in all honesty I feel like Teutons are underrated for scout rushes. The cheaper farms means you can have way more wood AND farms in order to put down stables and actually produce from them as well. I usually play Teutons when I play ranked and scout rushes always go off pretty well
@@NiliAoE2 well naturally but once you hit castle and go into knights the cheaper farms makes it easier to put down a second stable, but knight rushing is a whole different thing
I guess what would be really useful is build orders for the other maps in the DE map pool. Most players have at least some idea on Arabia, but what the hell do you do on City of Lakes? Has that map ever been seen before?! 11
For sure, I've been following Hera's stuff closely. Was responding to Nili's feedback and suggestions request at the end of the video. But you're right, duplication is best avoided. Could just work through all the standard BOs emphasising the little things you do differently in DE with command queue etc...
One thing I struggle with is choosing a rush based on the map. Think of the Turks. 1. Drush into FC Jans 2. Scouts into Light Cav & Horse Archers 3. Archers into Light Cav and Camels They are all options that build to something the Turks do well with in Castle. I have to know by villager #9 what I'm doing, because the build orders change at that point. So how do you decide? What clues tell you how open or closed the map is?
@@NiliAoE2 make sense. I sometimes get it to get the attack on the field faster when I have excess food, especially when I know I'm going knights. Though that probably means I haven't spent my food quick enough
Theoretically won't it always be faster to make a barracks before a stable and thus your enemy could always make spearman before or when your scouts arrive?
What about adding farms in dark age? (I usually add 2 farms as soon as possible with pop22). I feel like my early feudal age eco is much smoother that way and I can also avoid killing 2 sheep after the boar. Of course I have less wood for fast walling against m@a/drush and for walling in general but still it works very nice for me. (If i need to wall hard I avoid the farms directly) All in all anyway, I prefer to go for pop21 scouts because I can get the scouts out quicker to defend from m@a, in that case I tend to do 1 farm.
should i still make scouts when i transition from scout rush into archers? also how many archers should i mass before i send them forward (with fletching)?
if your opponent is walled, adding more scouts wont do anything for you. you archers: depense on what he is doing. defending with spearman? attack! having a big mass of archers to defend? stay at home!
Can you do build orders for Mega random map or maps that you can't do standard build orders. I also really like how you show what civilizations are good for the build
Hi Nili! Love your enthousiasm when you play and talk us through your games. With Mongols, many people go into archers after scouts, but could it also be possible to go straight into Mangudai after a scout rush? If so, do you have a good way of transitioning into stone and Castle Age? Cheers, Dennis
Same here. That I started to practise and went to 2.3k: I only used Spains, as I like the Conqs. Only did scout rush into Conq spam. This worked well, as I focussed on the same BO all the time i got better with Micro and reading my oponent.
Nili_AoE - Age of Empires 2 whenever I try, I have to keep my tc idle for a couple of seconds before I can go up. Is that normal, or do I need to tighten my bo a bit more. Thanks a lot 🦛🦛
no, if you have a civ that has bad cavalay, you should go for a different opening. if your opponents map is easily walled, rather dont go scouts either.
The important thing first -> Great educational video. Now my question^^, is it necessary to build a second lumber camp? Or is it because of the strategy, because u don't have to built the mining camp for gold, a second mill for hunting or starting to wall?
I'd love to hear Nili's answer on this. I sometimes stay mono-lumber if I'm planning to play scout-only and advance quickly to castle age. I think Viper does that sometimes.
Another nice thing to add is that if your opponent is doing scouts I think having your lumberjacks close together is a better choice (You need less lancers and multitasking), If you are against m@a or ranged units i think having the lumber vills split into two different woodlines is better because you can avoid having wood completely denied/a lot of idle/making a tower.
@@SimoneBattaglia94 from my experience one lumbercamp can be very risky if someone comes to you with archers or towers... but I mean try it out guys :) sometimes it works but sometimes it can be pain in the ass, but lets be honest more then 6-7 vilgers on one lmubercamp means the ways will be likely uneffective , too :/
@@NiliAoE2 I find the problem is that spearmen are too slow and he just runs around the base killing vills while I chase him. It's very rage inducing, The only way I have found to counter it is early walling but often the map absolutely sucks for that and you don't have walls up in time.
@@Shrouded_reaper if scouts are coming, do minimal little quickwalls where you are gathering resources, instead of trying to fully wall your whole base, at first. It won't help against archer, but it will slow 3~4 scouts down enough to come force them off with spears.
I never attack enemy with feudal age units, reason, they can beaten by villagers. You need a lot of scouts or archers to beat a enemy. You can rush noob, but good player is hard to do.
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Build Order:
Pop 1: Scout
2-7: Sheep
8-10: Wood
11: Get Boar
12: Build house -> berries
13: Mill at the berries
14-15: Berries
Get a new boar when you have ~150 food on your first boar left
16-19: Boar
Build a house at some point
20-22: Wood (2nd lumbercamp)
-- Click to Feudal age --
Distribute villagers:
5+5 on wood
4 on berries
2 are building the Barrack
Rest on sheep -> Trees close to TC
What Build Order do you want to see next?
A 22 Pop Man-at-Arms into archers can also be really helpful. Keep up the great work!
I would like to see an old school 4 vills fwd barrack/range/towers build. I can do it like the classic scout build but it kind of feels awkward for me.
Mega geil kann man ja mal ausprobieren
@@AoE-TakeAGuess this
Seconding the request for M@A into Archers
I love it when Videos get straight to the point without wasting time on intros and stuff. Wonderful, thanks Nili!
Could you please continue with the series? That was a really helpful tutorial and it really helps newer players such as myself
I series are great. You can also look for St4rks tutorials, they are not bad either, although nili seems more enthusiastic whenn explaining ;)
Nice tut! Archer rush or drush to fc (knights) would be interesting next :)
Extremely helpful. I've been struggling to get past Hard AI after easily taking down Moderate. This approach helped tremendously
Hey nili I haven't watched your vids for some time (or any other aoe 2 stuff at all) AoE2 DE brought me back! Your english has inproved so much since then. Really nice video!
thanks
Thanks for sharing this video, Nili! I'm feeling much more confident for the ladder after practicing this build.
sweet :-)
Hey Nili, excellent video!! I always find it so hard to balance my early eco bc I get confused with how to allocate my pop. Your approach is really clear and the methods are very easy to follow, as well as the reasoning behind certain decisions. Thanks so much and keep it up my bro! Also congrats with the red bull tourney - it was the first time I'd watched a tournament live on twitch and you in particular answered a few of the questions I asked in the chat and honestly I really appreciated that instant feedback. You're awesome!!
Awesome! Build order guides in DE are a lot better for us as we can see all the time how many vills are on each res. So keep it up with the BO guides! Thanks!
Great video. Really helps a lot.
Tiny slip of the tongue:
1:31 "First six villagers [...] alwas go to boar" you meant obviously sheep
There is so much potential in the shift-assign for vills. Pretty exciting to work on that and optimize the play. With that and auto-reseeding for farms one really should never have idles (before contact with the enemy of course, raiding changes things)
Danke Nili! ;) schön zu den Favoriten gepackt dat Filmchen :)
pop 22 feels late for scouts in de. Most of the time there are walls up. Pop 20 with early boars works better imo. Just take boars after first 2 sheeps and the rest is kind of simular, loom after 19 or 20 depending on food count.
Hi Nili. Great video.
However, I have noticed what decides the type of opening you go for, whether it is maa, scouts, archers etc., is depended upon your opponent's civ as much as your own.
I would therefore like to know more about how to counter the various civs. Like for instance, you often play maa against meso civs and civs with eco bonuses, even though you are a cavalry civ yourself.
Sehr schön! Sehr verständlich, kann man gut nachvollziehen :)
Hey Nili, pls continue this series, if u find time ;) great content btw
next is water BO on Medi :)
@@NiliAoE2 Cool, i was looking for a water BO for quite some time now :)
Would love to see more of these! Very easy to follow :)
Sehr gut gemacht Nili! Nicely done!
Dein Englisch ist sehr verständlich, du sprichst ruhig und ansprechend, erklärst alles - was will man mehr.
Von mir aus könnten ähnliche Videos (aber das wäre doppelt Arbeit) auch auf deutsch erscheinen ;) Muss aber nicht.
Übringens: Vielen Dank für das AoE RBTV Event! Schade, dass Microsoft da technisch so stark versagt hat.
Trotzdem habt ihr das gut über die Bühne gebracht! Bring die Bohnen doch mal wieder dazu Rage of Empires (mit dir zusammen) zu machen! :)
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how are you going back to your scout like that in the beginning i know you have a command group set to him but when i press the number that corresponds to that command group it doesnt center him in my screen it just selects him. how do i find my scout without having to scroll through the map
press the number twice
I don't know if you agree Nili, for example if I'm planning to switch to xbows or CA in castle I prefer to do less farms in feudal and instead mill deers. (I usually do for example with huns or magyars)
Great video! By chance do you have a video where you show best way to defend against this type of rush?
wall in your vills, spears are good, do scouts yourself
Nice Video. I would have appriciated some insight into why pop 22 and not pop 21 scouts (what are the advantages disadvantages?) because I was under the impression that pop 21 sc was more popular for 1v1 nowadays.
I thought for beginners pop 22 is easier
Nice overview!
If it's not too much work, I think an overlay showing the vil assignments would be nice. Basically what you posted in the comment, but on screen as it's happening so viewers can keep track and recap while watching.
The small numbers below the resource icons in the top left is exactly what you are looking for :)
It's shown at the top
Very nice build and really well explained.
Hey Nili, thanks a lot for this. Can you show more improvisations like the one where you decided to put down blacksmith instead of second archery range? The decision making after build order would be cool to see.
well that is so complex, you cant really fit it into a video :-)
try to use buildings as part of your wall sounds good
in all honesty I feel like Teutons are underrated for scout rushes. The cheaper farms means you can have way more wood AND farms in order to put down stables and actually produce from them as well. I usually play Teutons when I play ranked and scout rushes always go off pretty well
well you don't typically go multiple stables in feudal, but yeah surely top10 scout rush civs
@@NiliAoE2 well naturally but once you hit castle and go into knights the cheaper farms makes it easier to put down a second stable, but knight rushing is a whole different thing
I guess what would be really useful is build orders for the other maps in the DE map pool. Most players have at least some idea on Arabia, but what the hell do you do on City of Lakes? Has that map ever been seen before?! 11
Hera just uploaded build orders for some other types of maps
For sure, I've been following Hera's stuff closely. Was responding to Nili's feedback and suggestions request at the end of the video. But you're right, duplication is best avoided. Could just work through all the standard BOs emphasising the little things you do differently in DE with command queue etc...
One thing I struggle with is choosing a rush based on the map.
Think of the Turks.
1. Drush into FC Jans
2. Scouts into Light Cav & Horse Archers
3. Archers into Light Cav and Camels
They are all options that build to something the Turks do well with in Castle.
I have to know by villager #9 what I'm doing, because the build orders change at that point.
So how do you decide? What clues tell you how open or closed the map is?
enemies civ?
Water BO next, please!
How are you snapping to your sheep like that?
Thanks Nili, really useful. Do you ever get forging/scale barding in Feudal when you scout rush?
Only if I go for more than 8 scouts, so very rarely. Think about forging: You add 20% more damage in exchange for 1.875 less scouts.
@@NiliAoE2 make sense. I sometimes get it to get the attack on the field faster when I have excess food, especially when I know I'm going knights. Though that probably means I haven't spent my food quick enough
Thanks for the tutorial Nili. What is a good Wood/Farm balance? Surely it depends on transition, let's take it easy for transition into castle age?
stay with 10 on wood, rest are farms. something like 15 farms sounds reasonable
Shift clicking the map to move instead of manual?
What's the question?
Theoretically won't it always be faster to make a barracks before a stable and thus your enemy could always make spearman before or when your scouts arrive?
yes but then you have map control
what about cumans with faster scouts?
and tatars with longer sheep eco?
When would you go castle age? After the video ends? (Timing wise)
depense on what my opponent is doing and how my map looks like. is he going archers? am I going archers? can extra scouts do more damage?
@@NiliAoE2 Dankjewel for the tips I''m gonna try this on my freinds heheh
What about adding farms in dark age? (I usually add 2 farms as soon as possible with pop22). I feel like my early feudal age eco is much smoother that way and I can also avoid killing 2 sheep after the boar. Of course I have less wood for fast walling against m@a/drush and for walling in general but still it works very nice for me. (If i need to wall hard I avoid the farms directly)
All in all anyway, I prefer to go for pop21 scouts because I can get the scouts out quicker to defend from m@a, in that case I tend to do 1 farm.
2 farms are certainly fine
Nice video! Archer rush or Drush into fast castle, thanks!
What is your opinion on pop 21 vs pop 22 scouts? when would you go for one or the other?
pop 21/20 if you have dark age bonuses for you civ: Franks, Huns, Italians, Khmer, Indians, Malians
should i still make scouts when i transition from scout rush into archers? also how many archers should i mass before i send them forward (with fletching)?
if your opponent is walled, adding more scouts wont do anything for you.
you archers: depense on what he is doing. defending with spearman? attack! having a big mass of archers to defend? stay at home!
very helpful
Can you do build orders for Mega random map or maps that you can't do standard build orders. I also really like how you show what civilizations are good for the build
well mega random has 100+ generations, so that's not an option really...
Hi Nili! Love your enthousiasm when you play and talk us through your games. With Mongols, many people go into archers after scouts, but could it also be possible to go straight into Mangudai after a scout rush? If so, do you have a good way of transitioning into stone and Castle Age?
Cheers, Dennis
Hi Nili,
How come u didn't list Lithuanians as one of the civs ideally suited to Scout Rush with?
It was like 2 days after DE came out and I simply didn't know. You are right though :-)
@@NiliAoE2 Thanks bro!
Thanks Nili!
I would like to see water build up, drush fc into knts/arch and maybe a special build order for reg. Fortress or some Nomad build orders.
Dang this video got 100k views. Have you thought about doing some more content like this? Wonder why it did so relatively well.
Thanks for the video!
I have watched hours of aoe2 content but I get rekt in multiplayer
Same here. That I started to practise and went to 2.3k:
I only used Spains, as I like the Conqs.
Only did scout rush into Conq spam. This worked well, as I focussed on the same BO all the time i got better with Micro and reading my oponent.
archer rush would be nice :)
Your grid looks somewhat smaller and more discreet than mine, did you install an extra mod besides the grid that is already in the game by default?
you made that look so easy!
Follow the steps and one day it might be easy for you :-)
now days its all 20-21 pop scs... could you share the B.O. for that?
same BO, you see that I click up with 100 food in the bank
Nili_AoE - Age of Empires 2 whenever I try, I have to keep my tc idle for a couple of seconds before I can go up. Is that normal, or do I need to tighten my bo a bit more. Thanks a lot 🦛🦛
I Would like to see the build order for FC with 150 Champions
How could I resist if my enemy uses this ?
do you recommend to always open like this i
n every game?
no, if you have a civ that has bad cavalay, you should go for a different opening.
if your opponents map is easily walled, rather dont go scouts either.
@@NiliAoE2 thanks man for the advise
Nili_AoE - Age of Empires 2 one more question. What is your build order you often use . Thanks
The important thing first -> Great educational video. Now my question^^, is it necessary to build a second lumber camp? Or is it because of the strategy, because u don't have to built the mining camp for gold, a second mill for hunting or starting to wall?
I'd love to hear Nili's answer on this. I sometimes stay mono-lumber if I'm planning to play scout-only and advance quickly to castle age. I think Viper does that sometimes.
Another nice thing to add is that if your opponent is doing scouts I think having your lumberjacks close together is a better choice (You need less lancers and multitasking), If you are against m@a or ranged units i think having the lumber vills split into two different woodlines is better because you can avoid having wood completely denied/a lot of idle/making a tower.
@@SimoneBattaglia94 from my experience one lumbercamp can be very risky if someone comes to you with archers or towers... but I mean try it out guys :) sometimes it works but sometimes it can be pain in the ass, but lets be honest more then 6-7 vilgers on one lmubercamp means the ways will be likely uneffective , too :/
It is generally more efficient for your economy to have
nice grid mate!
Why is the border of your shadow green?
poor green screen at that time
for what the loom?
loom makes your vills stronger, protects you from dark age militia or his scout
What is the Best Way to resist if enemy uses this
spearman
@@NiliAoE2 I find the problem is that spearmen are too slow and he just runs around the base killing vills while I chase him. It's very rage inducing, The only way I have found to counter it is early walling but often the map absolutely sucks for that and you don't have walls up in time.
@@Shrouded_reaper if scouts are coming, do minimal little quickwalls where you are gathering resources, instead of trying to fully wall your whole base, at first. It won't help against archer, but it will slow 3~4 scouts down enough to come force them off with spears.
Why not turkey ? they have husars Bonus!
no early eco bonus
so no gold collection at all for 18minutes?
if you play mass scouts, yeah
would love to see saracens scout rush using market instead of farms
Turk scouts turn to light cav in feudal.
Miss u buddy
I never attack enemy with feudal age units, reason, they can beaten by villagers. You need a lot of scouts or archers to beat a enemy. You can rush noob, but good player is hard to do.
I will remember that for when I will one day play against good players.
ty
archer rush i want in next video
Cuman double douche build order when?
right now nothing stronger then scouts into steps with cumans they can make all the pike nothing changes
Archers rush
No matter how I do it, I lose in the end against moderate
what time do you reach feudal age and with what population? :-)
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