For those wondering... 3:23 Guterzugset means Goods Train Set. 7:31 Seefische means Sea Fish, so yes, a fish van. If you look on the top corners of the van, you can see molded ice hatches. DB stands for Deutsche Bundesbahn (German Federal Railways). The loco (Prussian G 4.1) was built in the 1890s-1901, and retired by 1930, while the wagons were post 1949 era.
@@SamsTrains yeah, one (preferably black) WD with the two plank wagons and the wagon with the lids to recreate the German train, and another WD (could use the LMR one) with all of the vans for Von Ryan's Express
That level of detail is completely normal here by the way, and those special articulated couplings are for close coupling. Roco has quite good close couplers for NEM pockets. Yes, "Seefische" indeed means sea fish, it's the plural by the way. And wagon with the lids is for lime.
Thank you for the information! I know I'm not Sam, but I was wondering the same thing. These are much better than what we Americans get, and for a great price, too! Is this considered starter set level out there, or is it slightly better? I'd love to get into European modelling.
@@SamsTrains But keep in mind, these are only 'Entry Level Models'. You get more details and quality on the normal Model Series , but for a much higher price.
I would say these are the basic of what we see for mainland Europe rolling stock from Roco, Fleichmann, Märklin etc, there are some pretty nice ones out there, but the price is of cause a bit higher
This is one of three 8-wagon packs that Roco have on their site for €60. Look at product codes 44001 and 44003 as well. The rest of their range is very expensive, but very high quality.
I’d call those, “stake-side” wagons. Flatcars in the U.S. also have those pockets, but they’re usually used only for hauling long logs or pipe loads; anything else usually gets tie-downs (or chains) and ratchet straps, such as a load of farm tractors, or large rolls of wire or hose.
When translating Seefische, there is a difficulty in translating the part See. A See can both be a fresh water lake (e. g. Bodensee) and a salt water sea (e. g. Nordsee). But here it refers to fish from the sea, with Fische meaning the plural of fish, as others have said.
Of course it's a nice set. Roco is good quality stuff. I have quite a few locos, wagons and passenger coaches. All very detailed. Love your reviews and I find the British models fascinating.
I always feel like European mainland wagons look more business-like compaired to the British stuff, especially the simple 5 plank wagons or the ventilated vans. Tis indeed sad British manufacturers don't produce great packs like this one, but oh well. Thanks for showcasing this Sam!
I had a picture of one captioned as a saltpeter van... Oh well, it could have been reused, or the caption was just wrong... In any case, it's a mineral that should avoid being exposed to rain...
Hi Sam, it is nice to see this review, specially because I am from central europe and I also bought this train pack before (but in czech version of vagons). Roco is famous company (producing tracks, vagons, locomotives and so on), something like Hornby in UK. This pack was really cheap, ussual prices are much higher even for individual vagons (in some special editions). Just one thing about comparison, I am not sure but Hornby made only in OO scale, but this one (should be) in H0. Because OO is 1/76 and H0 is 1/87 so you have had trains two different scales on the track at the same time.
Thanks a lot Josef - glad to have shown something more familiar to you - do you like the pack too?? Yes these are H0, you're right! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam. Being continental, the ROCO wagons are "H0" scale. ie. 3.5m/m to the foot or 1/87 scale as against the 1/76 scale of "00". The "springy" couplings are close couplers which expand the gap between the wagons on curves, making them run more smoothly. Bachmann have them on their couches so that they are a more scale distance apart on straight track. If you turn a wagon up side down and slowly move a coupling from the middle to either side, you will see that it moves outward on a track, it's to accommodate our tight curves. Best regards, Alan.
Now these look fantastic! The detail for budget models is unbelievable The couplings that are sprung and have a compensation for all curves is amazing I believe Roco was Austrian but now owned by Flieshman who have always been renowned for high quality models I think it’s great that you show the worlds model railway products on your videos 👍 Maybe a video on the model railway companies of the world and what they offer or something like that We all are brainwashed by the media that it’s a dying hobby To see how many manufacturers there are and what you get from them would be so encouraging Please do more international railway reviews and budget ones 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I like the variety of your videos they are so informative an enjoyable. They are never boring and I finally found someone who likes model railroading as much as I do.
Sam, I would LOVE to see you unbox some Märklin dampflokomotiven (steam engines) They used to do a set with a 4-8-4 tender engine and three carriages, and I used to love it. I never actually saw them run, though, (for reasons such as: no track!), and seing as I no longer have the set I would like to have your opinion! (As well as any SE&CR trains or rolling stock, of course, I would love to see more of them!)
@@SamsTrains An alternative to Märklin would be Trix, which is a formerly independent company now owned by Märklin. Under that brand a lot of Märklin's locomotives are sold for running on two rails, and the rolling stock, whilst generally identical, does feature different numbers for more realistic long trains when combining the two brands. It's rather expensive, but the locomotives are mostly metal, and the detail is great. Wagons are generally plastic but with a weighted chassis, and some more modern freight wagons feature a full metal frame (the modern 4 and 6 axle container wagons are great, wonderfully detailed and have a full metal frame, but are rather expensive)
I've also got this wagon pack! The one I have came in the older orange & blue packaging, however. BTW Deutsche Bundesbahn is the German Federal Railway, which existed in West Germany from 1949 to 1994.
I've been searching for some good continental stock for a Belgian Railways G.81 I acquired several years ago, these look fantastic! Just a shame that Hornby or Bachmann haven't tried to compete with these wagon packs - Amazing value there!
That's good to hear - yeah I can recommend these! It's a shame there's no british equivalent for these - but let's live in hope! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Roco also do N scale, I used to have some when I was a young teen in the 80s with a European layout and they were excellent value for money even then for what you got! Just as detailed as the more expensive Fleischmann, and a step up from Lima. These days I do USA outline N scale and they do cater for that market too. In the way of their HO range, lots of different European outline engines and rolling stock has been made as well, its well worth tracking down. The nearest thing they've done to UK outline is a VTG Ferrywagon back in the 80s.
Ahh really? I didn't know they did N scale! Glad to hear they're good value though - I might look into more of their stuff! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Interesting fact about these: these are starter set wagons, designed in the late 60's- early 70's but are still being produced today. Most of these wagons are also available in higher detail versions nowadays, but for the price of two higher detail ones (30 euros each) you can get a set of eight (60 euros). Coupler wise you could change the whole lot to Roco close couplers (or the Hornby copy), this reduces the spring effect and reduces the gap between the buffers.
Just a small detail on the side, the roof of the boxcar didn't come off because of bad quality, but because european trainmakers fit the roofs loosely on their boxcars so they can be loaded as desired.
Its a very good wagon set. Im only just a beginner and I searched for some wagons. These weren't very expensive and I liked them because I come from the Netherlands myself. If you want more european loco's I recommend you to buy engines from fleischmann and roco. Sadly enough Fleischmann will stop the production of rolling stock.
Nice high quality German engineering Sam. I have a few European locomotives myself, the only drawback is they are HO and thus a touch smaller when compared to OO. Nice review. Cheers from Oz mukka. (PS... The UK is not in the EU anymore!)
Note that the continental era system is very different from the Hornby system. The main reason for this is that different railways changed in different ways and at different speeds over time. The era 3 from this coach pack refers to the period of 1945-1970, which roughly corresponds with Hornby eras 4 and 5 (BR early and late crest, respectively).
Glad you like them mate! Sorry for all the bargain posts ;) They really are superb! Got two sets now for my WW1 ROD trains, as many of the wagons look similar to the stock used at that time. I plan to load supplies, artillery and troops to mine :) As mark has mentioned, recreating the Von Ryan Express would be great! Perfect for these wagons too. :) Once again an excellent review and thanks ever so much for the mention
haha thanks mate - you know I'm only kidding - I appreciate you sharing your bargains!! I bet both sets look awesome together!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
These look like the marklin brand freight cars I use on my layout just to change things up on occasion. They look great behind my German steam locomotives, but also look good behind the few American diesel locomotives I have in my collection now that I’ve figured out how to get the American and German couplings to work. I like these, but would rather purchase them separately. If you’re working, that fifty quid should be recouped in a matter of time, hopefully not too long.
Just came across this review Sam! Very interesting to see you review something from Roco as a Continental modeller myself. Would be great to see you do more Continental (tho prices can be very high - may be worth going for 2nd hand). Cheers!
Oh yes, keep them coming! RoCo stuff is very good. I have some freight vans from them too, I love them. Have even fitted their close couplers, the result looks great but they are not quite as reliable as old school.
Nice looking wagon pack. Got a Roco BR85 sound fitted, by far my best locomotive. Surpasses the Stirling Single, Class 156 (Realtrack) i have by miles.
I brought this pack many years ago, the reason why its so cheap, is do to these are old tooling rolling-stock (most from the 80's), so kind of Hornby railroad in Roco's presentation! I highly recommend H0 Roco stuff, they are know to be a Austrian mid class manufacturer, their models has good detailing, high reliability, and they also affordable . In fact 50% of my H0 EU fleet is by Roco, and they have a good part supply service bout in US and EU too. I hope u give one of their recent loco a look, or even get one! (P.S. do NOT expect sprung buffers! only the top range EU manufacturers like Trix/Marekiln makes them, but only on their collection edition models; and some of the Bachmann group co. has them like Liliput!)
The G4 (later DRG class 53) in the (pre-grouping/nationalization) K.P.E.V. green livery is from (EU) "Era 1" (to 1918 (till end of WW1)), the DB wagons are from "Era 3" (1945-1968). "Seefische" is Sea-fish/lake-fish, and "kühlwaken" means refrigerator-wagon (and that is a dry-ice one). B.T.W. Roco do has a British loco! they has (or had) a class 08 shunter in H0 scale, dough not in British livery!
Hey Tom, thanks for this! I still think they're pretty awesome, even if they are that old! Based on this, I'd definitely get more Roco models in the future! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Very Nice review! Personally I got the Dutch version of this pack and im myself very please with it. That little wagon with those caps is a wagon meant for chemicals. Those caps are there for if one chemical bottle explodes during it doesnt blow the whole lot. And those coupling mechanisms arnt doing anything with those regular hook and loop couplings. Those mechanismes are there so you can mount a close coupler and have all the wagons with the buffers very close to each other. The little hooks on the sides of the Vans are lamp irons to mount a closing light or a sign.
Thanks very much mate - glad you got a version of this too - I was very impressed with it too! Thanks for the info too by the way, appreciate it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Re The Angry French engine SNCF Class 141R. built by ALCO , Baldwin in the USA and Montreal Loco Works in Canads used across France for both freight and Passenger service
Hey Sam, if you don't have a roco engine jet, get one as fast as you can. You will be amazed by it, I promis. I have 32 roco engines and ever single one is absolutely amazing. Try the s160 if you want a British one or the BR50 if you want a German one for these wagons. They are quite expensive but tefnetly worth it. When you have the choice take the dcc sound equipped ones. The sound is astonishing good. PS. I have this wagonset twice. Keep it up, you make very good content. Greetings from Austria, cheers mate. :)
Nice to see something different again Sam I'm liking these foreign trains I believe that wagon would be for sand, grain or other loose materials it would probably have hopper doors on the underside
@@SamsTrains oh well would be sad if i were right XD yeah well but i have to admit that especially märklin stuff is way to expensive to buy it new. almost all of my rolling stock is old märklin stuff, from a starter set or from roco or fleischmann...and some bachmann too. i even have an acc roco loco and its doing better than some of the expensive märklin stuff lol
They're a bargain wherever you buy them from given the Roco's RRP is €61.90 for the set (or for the similar ones from other countries. The best bit is how they've been selling this set for years. My dad bought one for his H0 collection well over a decade ago.
Ahhh, now you're in my world. Roco is an Austrian company which makes HO, N (until this year), and some larger scale. They are a major player on the continent and specialize in Central European trains (Austria, Germany, Swiss, Czech, Hungarian, but do other countries as well). They are owned by a large conglomerate which also owns Fleischmann trains (a German player of high quality in HO and TT, but will now be only N Scale, and Roco only HO). This group also owns Rivarossi from Italy, and others. Roco has good quality in their product, whether with their heavily plastic basic stuff or more metallic higher end. I currently own a gorgeous Roco Austrian Railjet (highspeed train) to run on my Märklin system. Also, non of the big German/Central Euro companies make sprung buffers (Märklin, Roco, Piko, Brawa, Fleischmann, etc ). The German trains in HO will handle R2 easily and R1 well enough (except the longer passenger cars). Others have already mentioned DB and Seefische, so I won't show off my German. Cheers from the USA.
Hey Anthony, glad I showed something more familiar to you! Thanks so much for all the info - I'd love to try and get some of this stuff! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I have some Roco wagons like those, I even have a locomotive called the S10 from the Royal Prussian Railway Administration (Königliche Preußische Eisenbahnvervaltung) also made by them too and Roco are from Austria.
A great deal indeed! $8 (about 6 quid) per wagon! I bought an old Marlkin coach (prdocut number 4004) in its original box for $5 a few years ago (it had its AC wheelsets, but I was able to use some pliers to bend the axle gaurds so I could repalce them with normal DC axles). All of my local model train shops have quite a few European HO scale models, but the cheapest wagon I remeber them having was $10. I'm also surprised this new pack is of all different wagon types (usually from other manufactuers you just get a logn train of the same wagon) I've only seen one or two mixed wagon packs in America. 8:40 I think it might be like a China Clay car or Sand car
Thanks very much mate - yeah I thought it was a brilliant deal! The different types of wagon make them all the better too - it's a great set! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
A nice pack for the price. I wish there were more UK pack like this, It's a good way of building up a rolling stock collection. I have managed to get a small collection of Oxford Rail wagons for £7.50 each from Hornby models but that's still 60 pounds for 8. They are also selling Oxford Janus shunters for £75 each or 2 for £100, should I be tempted?
Me too Rob - it'd be fantastic to get a UK train pack for that price - it really would! That sounds pretty good - that's probably about the best you can get in the UK! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, an awesome freight car pack. I don't live in Europe, but I think the bin freight car might be used for hauling grain??? Or maybe loose aggregate such as cement, limestone, or sand. It resembles one of covered hoppers here in America. Anyway thanks for sharing and I'll see you next time.
Do you have a video on mixing OO and H0 rolling stock? I am considering getting a Hornby steam locomotive for my H0 layout but I’m afraid it will look huge in comparison to the H0 coaches or freight cars it would pull...
hello sam I have a Roco flatbed and that is a bargain in my opinion and if you have some Roco trains how many do you have and how many blue pacifics ( including Bachmann and Hornby Gordon ) do you have altogether and I love all your videos and when is the next servicing with sam coming back from david
Thanks very much mate! Yeah it's a decent type of coupling actually, very true! Sadly the bare parts are where I need to walk to access things, otherwise I would! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Those are nice, and the word on the white one, which looks german translates, according to google to seaplane, but it also mentions frozen fish, which is probably what it is, since seaplanes have nothing to do with trains.
The low wagon is a stake wagon, and those separately fitted stakes can get annoying. The one with the flaps in the roof would be some sort of lime or salt wagon.
Hi! Sam. What a great train pack, the quality is good too, just shows you what can be made in the EU. Hornby went wrong by getting their trains made in China, upping the cost, just to ship them over to sell here. As usual Sam another great video.
Thanks very much Trevor, glad you liked it! Yeah that's possible - though I'm sure they'd be even more expensive if they were made in the UK! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Das ist gut. Good value German wagons there and yes, it is a cool wagon for the fish, probaby Baltic fish. My picture to the left was taken at Laboe on the Baltic coast. If you go to Hamburg you might like to take the train trip to Flensburg, a very interesting bridge over the canal.
New ray toys used to make battery operated clones of Piko, Rocco, and fleischmann and even marklin trains, the earlier sets had roadbed track that copied the look of Marklin track and was held togeather with black plastic clips that were easy to lose. they replaced them soon after with conventional snap togeather grey plastic track
@@SamsTrains They also had a line of battery G scale trains which were copies of Piko and LGB G gauge stuff the German diesel hydraulic Loco used the same chassis as the German Steam loco and thus had pistons and vale gear like a steam loco.
Wow these are really well detailed wagons for a budget set of wagons. Hornby should do a few Railroad wagon packs like this and some carriage packs. I once brought three rivarossi made box vans in British Leyland cars livery from what was Ontracks model store (now Golden Valley models) for £10 and they are very well detailed. Golden Valley Models and Gaugemaster both sell a lot of European models and buildings.
as to you wondering what the waggons with the flaplids where used for....they are called "Klappdeckelwagen" (flapdorwaggons)and their primary use was to transport lose freight which is sensitiv to moisture (or worse Water and rain) mostly they were used to transport chalk. But not for Rubbish !! ;-) There that wasn't so bad....and yes the white van is a cooled "seafish"van..... any other questions regards gemerman stuff....just ask me..... ;-D
I have this wagons , I run it with a TRIX loco that came on a kit( Is highly detailed and can make a crowl( and all the kit costs just 99 Euro( is the 21532 starter set if you whant to review))).
And knowing from playing train sim games Those long coal gondola like ones are used for lumber transport and sometimes you don’t need the freight holding spikes to transport logs, but unless you want them to fall off the train onto the mainline. Haha that’s funny lol.
Hello again Sam, That is a wonderful review of the Roco HO German Wagon Pack and oh my god, nearly £50 for a wagon pack, awesome. I could do with getting this Roco German Wagon Pack very soon to go with my Marklin DB Class 86 Tank Engine, as I had it only pulling British Wagons. DB stands for Deutsche Bahn which means German Railways in German. The Locomotive pulling the Roco DB Wagon Pack is a Prussian Railway Steam Locomotive, but not a G4, it's a G3, just thought I correct you. Here's some information about these locomotives on Wikipedia. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_G_3 The Roco DB Wagons goes really well with the Prussian G3 Steam Locomotive, despite they worked on different railways in Germany. Then to the French Steam Locomotive hauling the Orient Express Coaches, I did tell you about these locomotives, the 141R's were built in North America to help out in France during the end of World War 2 and then ended up hauling freight and passengers for the SNCF, hope this helps. Back to your review, The Roco DB Wagon Pack is amazing & despite costing nearly £50, the detail is magnificent, well done my friend. I cannot wait for your review on a Model European Locomotive on Saturday. Regards Jordan Shingler 😉 5 Stars 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 10/10
Hey Jordan, thanks very much for that mate - for the money, I can recommend it! :D Thanks a lot for the info - I'll give that a read! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Am not surprised that you gave 8.45/10 for this pack of 8 from Roco. The quality is quite good but expensive (though surprisingly this pack is very reasonably priced). Good review.
My Bachmann 57xx is not running even though I cleaned everything, checked the wiring (all fine) and tested the track, but still not running. And suggestions? Thanks :)
Hey! Unless there is a problem you've not discovered, it could well be the motor - have you tried removing it and powering it directly?? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hello Sam i really like these,what would happen if you ran them with a Hornby loco with a normal coupling?would they just not fit to it? Please remember i am a return visitor to this great interest after a 40yr break lol ;).
That's great value for so many wagons, especially from a continental manufacturer. Possibly because the wagon starter packs are made in Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam). Makes a change from China. :-) Have you thought about using Labelle 106 Plastic Compatible Grease with PTFE for lubricating the Angry French Loco? Might help it run quieter? Model Railway Eras, or Epochs as they say: Epoch I: 1835 - 1920, Epoch II: 1920 - 1950, Epoch III: 1950 - 1970, Epoch IV: 1970 - 1990, Epoch V: 1990 - 2007, Epoch VI: from 2007-onwards. The G4 loco had a Service life from 1907 to 1925.
The loco is probably an era ll because the paint scheme isn’t black and red and after about 1919-1920 the railways of Germany were nationalized into the Deutsche Reichsbahn
Ah yes the Roco company. Its a company founded in Austria in 1968. Now it belong to Fleischmann. As a child, I had Roco wagons too, they where much cheaper than Märklin, so running Märklin locos with Roco Wagons... Yes Roco is a nice brand and I have a good friend which family run Roco/Fleischmann trains in the 3rd family( 4th generation is growing :-) generation. Nothing wrong with this trains. BTW: Seefisch means marine fish and it is NOT "Deutsche Bundesbahn" any more, as you said! The Deutsche Bundesbahn was the state company before 1994 and privatisation! Now its Deutsche Bahn Aktiengesellschaft (AG). A joint-stock company
Thanks Paul for all the info on Roco - I would love to try more of their stuff, it does indeed seem a great brand! Ahh I see - thanks for this! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Ah good, some suitable stock for the Fleischmann G4! She should be in red and black with DB lettering to be correct for the era, but her original KPEV green works too if you're not picky. I suspect the bargain price is because the Manchester shop isn't selling them and just want to be rid of them. It's not British or 00 after all, is it. ;P
haha absolutely - I finally have some decent stuff for her! Yeah that's possible - though they're a similar price on Amazon! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Another great video my man! Think I saw your doppelgänger in the NRM York last weekend! :) Anyway, any chance if you get the chance you could show us one of the modern American diesels?? They look so bad ass! Cheers man, love from Ireland!! Shane
G 4 in KPEV livery (KPEV = Königlich Preussische Eisenbahn Verwaltung - Royal Prussian Railway Administration) before 1925, when the DRG (Deutsche Reichsbahn Gesellschaft - German Imperial Railway Company) was founded. The Fleischmann model is Wonderful :)
It's deutsche bahn actually and I have a few coaches & wagons from roco I got a blue dB wagon in Berlin recently for €4 but missing 3 buffers and both couplings, it has the nem coupling pockets though
Sam'sTrains my pleasure I very much enjoy your uploads. Admittedly I mainly Märklin et al though I’ve got older Hornby, Lima , Lilliput, Piko and Fleischmann locos and rolling stock too.
Hi Sam. I enjoy watching your videos. As a bit of an odd duck, I'm an American who wants to look into British model trains. Is there a brand or brands you'd recommend for high quality model railroading?
Hey Leslie, thanks so much for the comment - the best is Hornby really, though there are other good brands such as Hatton's and Oxford rail coming up! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Worrra barrgin there Sam, shame UK companies don't do similar packs in that price range and quality. Out of interest, do they do a French or Belgium pack? If they do you could fit a Hornby coupling and run them with a Southern loco as the Southern ran train ferries from Dover to Calais from 1932 until late 1939 then after the war from 1946 to the 1960's. Even the 00 / HO thing isn't an issues as the French and Belgium railways built special wagons to UK loading gauge for the service. Also been thinking about the 'bin' wagon. In the UK roofed 'bin' type wagons were used for any bulk dry cargo that you needed to keep dry. This included salt, grain, china clay, gypsom and the like, wonder if thats a greman version of the idea? Keep up the good work Jon
Thanks a lot Jon - yeah it is a shame, but we can live in hope! I'm not absolutely sure which other packs they make - but it's well worth taking a look if you're interested! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I always wanted 8 OBB (Austrian State Railways) wagons alot much better than hornby railroad honestly hope I will buy it in future when available on hattons website and I also got Piko OBB Rh1116 taurus which is perfect with it. I have 2 roco wagon pack with highly detailed bought it for 30 euros at bargain rate when I visited to Austria 🇦🇹.
Sam'sTrains ah I was going to suggest the same thing! love how lots of European steam engines look like bulked up British locos, the sncf 241a comes to mind. Love branching out into Roco stuff too, great review
Green loco, Prussian State Railways. Angry Frenchman: SNCF 141R, delivered by ALCO 1945-46, retired 1970s. Wagons: Seefisch Kuhlwagen : Ice cooled fresh fish. Long wagon with strakes: Timber Van with high curve roof: General goods and livestock, postwar; Open wagons lowsides, Machinery etc; Open wagons high sides, Coal (may be End tippers...detail of "end-gates" not clear.) Low top van "8&40" ( 8 horses, or 40 soldiers)...used as troop transports (WWI &II) and as Concentration Camp Transports. Covered steel wagon with lids: carriage of rain affected products ( Soda, other granular products) All wagons marked in 1950s Deutsche Bundesbahn style, some with RIV ( international interchange)...markings and wagon classification still pre-war DR layout. Most wagons 1920-1945 designs. Doc AV Brisbane, Australia.....armchair and sometime real modeler since 1960s. Typical ROCO quality.
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For those wondering...
3:23 Guterzugset means Goods Train Set.
7:31 Seefische means Sea Fish, so yes, a fish van. If you look on the top corners of the van, you can see molded ice hatches.
DB stands for Deutsche Bundesbahn (German Federal Railways).
The loco (Prussian G 4.1) was built in the 1890s-1901, and retired by 1930, while the wagons were post 1949 era.
Just realised, with that one wagon pack and 2 steam locos such as WD 2-8-0's, recreating the trains in Von Ryan's Express would be possible
Yeah
Ooh really?? We've got to try that some time!! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yeah, one (preferably black) WD with the two plank wagons and the wagon with the lids to recreate the German train, and another WD (could use the LMR one) with all of the vans for Von Ryan's Express
@@SamsTrains could you try a starterset from piko. Their website is piko.de
That level of detail is completely normal here by the way, and those special articulated couplings are for close coupling. Roco has quite good close couplers for NEM pockets.
Yes, "Seefische" indeed means sea fish, it's the plural by the way. And wagon with the lids is for lime.
Thank you for the information! I know I'm not Sam, but I was wondering the same thing. These are much better than what we Americans get, and for a great price, too! Is this considered starter set level out there, or is it slightly better? I'd love to get into European modelling.
That's impressive for entry-level stuff. And thank you for explaining the lidded wagon! I was thinking it was probably some sort of mineral.
That's great to hear! That level is normal here too... if you pay about 3x the price, lol! Thanks for this!
Cheers,
Sam :)
@@SamsTrains But keep in mind, these are only 'Entry Level Models'.
You get more details and quality on the normal Model Series , but for a much higher price.
I would say these are the basic of what we see for mainland Europe rolling stock from Roco, Fleichmann, Märklin etc, there are some pretty nice ones out there, but the price is of cause a bit higher
Seefische means sea fish!! Roco and Fleischmann belongs to the same company: Modelleisenbahn Gmbh (Modelrailway Ltd). Cheers Onno.
haha yeah I thought it probably did! Ahh cool - thanks for letting me know! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
It actually means Marine Fish but close enough..
@@Ausjon61 NO! seefishe means sea fich! du verdamda idiot!
@@Ausjon61 genau du arsch then marine fisch means navy fish
Suffice to say, translation between languages is subject to some degree of interpretation, even ones as closely related as British English and German.
This is one of three 8-wagon packs that Roco have on their site for €60. Look at product codes 44001 and 44003 as well. The rest of their range is very expensive, but very high quality.
Very cool! I do like their stuff, based on these!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I’d call those, “stake-side” wagons. Flatcars in the U.S. also have those pockets, but they’re usually used only for hauling long logs or pipe loads; anything else usually gets tie-downs (or chains) and ratchet straps, such as a load of farm tractors, or large rolls of wire or hose.
When translating Seefische, there is a difficulty in translating the part See. A See can both be a fresh water lake (e. g. Bodensee) and a salt water sea (e. g. Nordsee).
But here it refers to fish from the sea, with Fische meaning the plural of fish, as others have said.
Ahh duly noted, thanks again for letting me know! :D
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Sam :)
The wagon with the opening lids is a Klappdeckelwagen, used to carry cement, plaster, grains etc (but not at the same time!)
Of course it's a nice set. Roco is good quality stuff. I have quite a few locos, wagons and passenger coaches. All very detailed. Love your reviews and I find the British models fascinating.
Now here’s the real question
How many of these to pay for a Heljan Tango?
About 30, at the full price - pretty crazy!
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I always feel like European mainland wagons look more business-like compaired to the British stuff, especially the simple 5 plank wagons or the ventilated vans. Tis indeed sad British manufacturers don't produce great packs like this one, but oh well.
Thanks for showcasing this Sam!
I'd wager Big 4 packs like this would sell like mad! BR era too.
Yeah they do quite, I think you're right about that! Maybe we'll get some British packs like this one day!
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Hi Sam
The bin wagon was used for limestone traffic .Roco is one of the big European train makers.Ebay is a great place for bargains
Hey Alex, thanks very much for the info on that! Definitely pretty happy with this bargain! :D
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I had a picture of one captioned as a saltpeter van...
Oh well, it could have been reused, or the caption was just wrong... In any case, it's a mineral that should avoid being exposed to rain...
The things for the flatbed are called Rungen in German and the wagons are German production standard
Hey, thanks a lot for letting me know this - I'll try to remember that!
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Hi Sam, it is nice to see this review, specially because I am from central europe and I also bought this train pack before (but in czech version of vagons). Roco is famous company (producing tracks, vagons, locomotives and so on), something like Hornby in UK. This pack was really cheap, ussual prices are much higher even for individual vagons (in some special editions).
Just one thing about comparison, I am not sure but Hornby made only in OO scale, but this one (should be) in H0. Because OO is 1/76 and H0 is 1/87 so you have had trains two different scales on the track at the same time.
Thanks a lot Josef - glad to have shown something more familiar to you - do you like the pack too?? Yes these are H0, you're right!
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the lime loco is an sncf class 141 Mikado. They were build in Canada and supplied to the French post WW2 as Marshal aid
Hi Sam. Being continental, the ROCO wagons are "H0" scale. ie. 3.5m/m to the foot or 1/87 scale as against the 1/76 scale of "00". The "springy" couplings are close couplers which expand the gap between the wagons on curves, making them run more smoothly. Bachmann have them on their couches so that they are a more scale distance apart on straight track. If you turn a wagon up side down and slowly move a coupling from the middle to either side, you will see that it moves outward on a track, it's to accommodate our tight curves. Best regards, Alan.
Thanks Alan - yes they are H0! I thought the couplings were great too - they run so nicely with 0 problems as a result!
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Now these look fantastic!
The detail for budget models is unbelievable
The couplings that are sprung and have a compensation for all curves is amazing
I believe Roco was Austrian but now owned by Flieshman who have always been renowned for high quality models
I think it’s great that you show the worlds model railway products on your videos 👍
Maybe a video on the model railway companies of the world and what they offer or something like that
We all are brainwashed by the media that it’s a dying hobby
To see how many manufacturers there are and what you get from them would be so encouraging
Please do more international railway reviews and budget ones
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I agree Jon - I was very pleased when I bought these! Great idea - that'd be cool to try! :D
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I'm an Austrian Guy and i had to laugh as you Said Deutsche Bahn.
I have some Roco Trucks which are very cool. I Love your Videos!!!
haha very sorry about that - I can't pronounce foreign stuff very well, lol! ;D
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ITS ok i Knowhow some people fromm english speaking countries and their much worse Than you
I like the variety of your videos they are so informative an enjoyable. They are never boring and I finally found someone who likes model railroading as much as I do.
That's really lovely to hear Louis - thanks so much!! :D
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Well worth the money. Quality without breaking the bank. They’d look great with my Roco steam loco.
Cheers, Glenn
Thanks Glenn - yeah absolutely, just can't go wrong with these for the money! :D
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Sam, I would LOVE to see you unbox some Märklin dampflokomotiven (steam engines)
They used to do a set with a 4-8-4 tender engine and three carriages, and I used to love it. I never actually saw them run, though, (for reasons such as: no track!), and seing as I no longer have the set I would like to have your opinion!
(As well as any SE&CR trains or rolling stock, of course, I would love to see more of them!)
Märklin is Alternating Current and it got 3 rail. I think Sam cant run Märklin with his 2 rail Direct Current.
Thanks very much for the suggestion - I would love to, but sadly my setup won't support Marklin engines :(
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An alternative to Märklin would be Trix, which is a formerly independent company now owned by Märklin. Under that brand a lot of Märklin's locomotives are sold for running on two rails, and the rolling stock, whilst generally identical, does feature different numbers for more realistic long trains when combining the two brands.
It's rather expensive, but the locomotives are mostly metal, and the detail is great. Wagons are generally plastic but with a weighted chassis, and some more modern freight wagons feature a full metal frame (the modern 4 and 6 axle container wagons are great, wonderfully detailed and have a full metal frame, but are rather expensive)
I've also got this wagon pack! The one I have came in the older orange & blue packaging, however. BTW Deutsche Bundesbahn is the German Federal Railway, which existed in West Germany from 1949 to 1994.
Fantastic Luke - I've seen quite a few different versions of this! :D
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I've been searching for some good continental stock for a Belgian Railways G.81 I acquired several years ago, these look fantastic!
Just a shame that Hornby or Bachmann haven't tried to compete with these wagon packs - Amazing value there!
That's good to hear - yeah I can recommend these! It's a shame there's no british equivalent for these - but let's live in hope!
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Very nice to see you review some continental rolling stock.
Thank you! I really enjoyed doing it! :D
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Roco also do N scale, I used to have some when I was a young teen in the 80s with a European layout and they were excellent value for money even then for what you got! Just as detailed as the more expensive Fleischmann, and a step up from Lima. These days I do USA outline N scale and they do cater for that market too. In the way of their HO range, lots of different European outline engines and rolling stock has been made as well, its well worth tracking down. The nearest thing they've done to UK outline is a VTG Ferrywagon back in the 80s.
Ahh really? I didn't know they did N scale! Glad to hear they're good value though - I might look into more of their stuff!
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Roco won't be doing N scale for much longer. Their N scale models will all be under the Fleischmann brand name soon, if they aren't already.
Interesting fact about these: these are starter set wagons, designed in the late 60's- early 70's but are still being produced today. Most of these wagons are also available in higher detail versions nowadays, but for the price of two higher detail ones (30 euros each) you can get a set of eight (60 euros).
Coupler wise you could change the whole lot to Roco close couplers (or the Hornby copy), this reduces the spring effect and reduces the gap between the buffers.
Blimey are they that old?! I had no idea about that - thanks very much for the info!
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Sam :)
Just a small detail on the side, the roof of the boxcar didn't come off because of bad quality, but because european trainmakers fit the roofs loosely on their boxcars so they can be loaded as desired.
Ahh I see Kris, that's very interesting!
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I have this pack but with the dutch wagons
The word seefische means seafish and on my car with the opening caps says its a trashwagon
K
Very cool! How did you like it?? :D
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Its a very good wagon set. Im only just a beginner and I searched for some wagons. These weren't very expensive and I liked them because I come from the Netherlands myself. If you want more european loco's I recommend you to buy engines from fleischmann and roco. Sadly enough Fleischmann will stop the production of rolling stock.
Nice high quality German engineering Sam. I have a few European locomotives myself, the only drawback is they are HO and thus a touch smaller when compared to OO. Nice review. Cheers from Oz mukka. (PS... The UK is not in the EU anymore!)
Thanks a lot Gary, I agree - great quality here! :D
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Still part of Europe though.
And Roco is Austrian btw, haha
Note that the continental era system is very different from the Hornby system. The main reason for this is that different railways changed in different ways and at different speeds over time.
The era 3 from this coach pack refers to the period of 1945-1970, which roughly corresponds with Hornby eras 4 and 5 (BR early and late crest, respectively).
Yeah it certainly looks that way - luckily it all seems to work together nicely though! :D
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Glad you like them mate! Sorry for all the bargain posts ;) They really are superb! Got two sets now for my WW1 ROD trains, as many of the wagons look similar to the stock used at that time. I plan to load supplies, artillery and troops to mine :) As mark has mentioned, recreating the Von Ryan Express would be great! Perfect for these wagons too. :) Once again an excellent review and thanks ever so much for the mention
haha thanks mate - you know I'm only kidding - I appreciate you sharing your bargains!! I bet both sets look awesome together!! :D
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These look like the marklin brand freight cars I use on my layout just to change things up on occasion. They look great behind my German steam locomotives, but also look good behind the few American diesel locomotives I have in my collection now that I’ve figured out how to get the American and German couplings to work. I like these, but would rather purchase them separately. If you’re working, that fifty quid should be recouped in a matter of time, hopefully not too long.
Ahh really?? I've been very impressed with them anyway - not too bad at all! :D
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Hi Sam I bought a hornby pacer for 28.00 and it works
Also how good are the European locos like
Lewis Hughes Marklin locos are super high quality and the brand of the modeltrains but really expensive to ;-)
@@model_building_fan7708 ok thanks I thought they might be
That's great to hear - that's a good price for a pacer! The European locos have been pretty good for me so far! :D
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Just came across this review Sam! Very interesting to see you review something from Roco as a Continental modeller myself. Would be great to see you do more Continental (tho prices can be very high - may be worth going for 2nd hand). Cheers!
Oh yes, keep them coming! RoCo stuff is very good. I have some freight vans from them too, I love them. Have even fitted their close couplers, the result looks great but they are not quite as reliable as old school.
Thanks a lot - yeah I was very impressed by these really! :D
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Nice looking wagon pack. Got a Roco BR85 sound fitted, by far my best locomotive. Surpasses the Stirling Single, Class 156 (Realtrack) i have by miles.
Blimey really?? That sounds superb - I might have to look into that! :D
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I brought this pack many years ago, the reason why its so cheap, is do to these are old tooling rolling-stock (most from the 80's), so kind of Hornby railroad in Roco's presentation! I highly recommend H0 Roco stuff, they are know to be a Austrian mid class manufacturer, their models has good detailing, high reliability, and they also affordable . In fact 50% of my H0 EU fleet is by Roco, and they have a good part supply service bout in US and EU too. I hope u give one of their recent loco a look, or even get one! (P.S. do NOT expect sprung buffers! only the top range EU manufacturers like Trix/Marekiln makes them, but only on their collection edition models; and some of the Bachmann group co. has them like Liliput!)
The G4 (later DRG class 53) in the (pre-grouping/nationalization) K.P.E.V. green livery is from (EU) "Era 1" (to 1918 (till end of WW1)), the DB wagons are from "Era 3" (1945-1968). "Seefische" is Sea-fish/lake-fish, and "kühlwaken" means refrigerator-wagon (and that is a dry-ice one). B.T.W. Roco do has a British loco! they has (or had) a class 08 shunter in H0 scale, dough not in British livery!
Hey Tom, thanks for this! I still think they're pretty awesome, even if they are that old! Based on this, I'd definitely get more Roco models in the future! :D
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Very Nice review!
Personally I got the Dutch version of this pack and im myself very please with it. That little wagon with those caps is a wagon meant for chemicals.
Those caps are there for if one chemical bottle explodes during it doesnt blow the whole lot.
And those coupling mechanisms arnt doing anything with those regular hook and loop couplings. Those mechanismes are there so you can mount a close coupler and have all the wagons with the buffers very close to each other.
The little hooks on the sides of the Vans are lamp irons to mount a closing light or a sign.
Thanks very much mate - glad you got a version of this too - I was very impressed with it too! Thanks for the info too by the way, appreciate it! :D
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I got my first set - Austrian - 42 years ago (no NEM couplings). We use these wagons for conversion to other types of wagons
Re The Angry French engine SNCF Class 141R. built by ALCO , Baldwin in the USA and Montreal Loco Works in Canads used across France for both freight and Passenger service
Hey Sam, if you don't have a roco engine jet, get one as fast as you can. You will be amazed by it, I promis.
I have 32 roco engines and ever single one is absolutely amazing.
Try the s160 if you want a British one or the BR50 if you want a German one for these wagons.
They are quite expensive but tefnetly worth it.
When you have the choice take the dcc sound equipped ones.
The sound is astonishing good.
PS. I have this wagonset twice.
Keep it up, you make very good content.
Greetings from Austria, cheers mate. :)
Thanks so much for the suggestion - I am seriously considering getting one, they do look great! :D
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Nice to see something different again Sam I'm liking these foreign trains I believe that wagon would be for sand, grain or other loose materials it would probably have hopper doors on the underside
Yeah
Thanks very much Lavers - and that's a good guess, I think you're probably right there! :D
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amount of detail and printing is standard here in germany
Don't get me wrong - it's standard in the UK too, but for almost double the price ;)
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@@SamsTrains oh well would be sad if i were right XD
yeah well but i have to admit that especially märklin stuff is way to expensive to buy it new. almost all of my rolling stock is old märklin stuff, from a starter set or from roco or fleischmann...and some bachmann too. i even have an acc roco loco and its doing better than some of the expensive märklin stuff lol
Oh i've seen a few of this wagons in the railway museum of my hometown. And DB stands for "Deutsche Bahn"😊
Ahh very cool - glad you've seen some too! Thanks for the tip! :D
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Sam :)
Nice review! I've got the same pack and with the Roco or Fleischmann special short couplings the wagons are coupled buffer to buffer.
Very nice! That sounds good too - do they run okay like that??
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@@SamsTrains They do, that's why the couplings are articulated in the first place. I could send you some if you're interested..
They're a bargain wherever you buy them from given the Roco's RRP is €61.90 for the set (or for the similar ones from other countries. The best bit is how they've been selling this set for years. My dad bought one for his H0 collection well over a decade ago.
Blimey is that all?? That is great - what a bargain!! :D
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Ahhh, now you're in my world. Roco is an Austrian company which makes HO, N (until this year), and some larger scale. They are a major player on the continent and specialize in Central European trains (Austria, Germany, Swiss, Czech, Hungarian, but do other countries as well). They are owned by a large conglomerate which also owns Fleischmann trains (a German player of high quality in HO and TT, but will now be only N Scale, and Roco only HO). This group also owns Rivarossi from Italy, and others. Roco has good quality in their product, whether with their heavily plastic basic stuff or more metallic higher end. I currently own a gorgeous Roco Austrian Railjet (highspeed train) to run on my Märklin system. Also, non of the big German/Central Euro companies make sprung buffers (Märklin, Roco, Piko, Brawa, Fleischmann, etc ). The German trains in HO will handle R2 easily and R1 well enough (except the longer passenger cars). Others have already mentioned DB and Seefische, so I won't show off my German. Cheers from the USA.
Hey Anthony, glad I showed something more familiar to you! Thanks so much for all the info - I'd love to try and get some of this stuff! :D
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I have some Roco wagons like those, I even have a locomotive called the S10 from the Royal Prussian Railway Administration (Königliche Preußische Eisenbahnvervaltung) also made by them too and Roco are from Austria.
Ahh very awesome - I've been very impressed by the quality of their stuff! :D
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Sam'sTrains No problem.
A great deal indeed! $8 (about 6 quid) per wagon! I bought an old Marlkin coach (prdocut number 4004) in its original box for $5 a few years ago (it had its AC wheelsets, but I was able to use some pliers to bend the axle gaurds so I could repalce them with normal DC axles). All of my local model train shops have quite a few European HO scale models, but the cheapest wagon I remeber them having was $10.
I'm also surprised this new pack is of all different wagon types (usually from other manufactuers you just get a logn train of the same wagon) I've only seen one or two mixed wagon packs in America.
8:40 I think it might be like a China Clay car or Sand car
Thanks very much mate - yeah I thought it was a brilliant deal! The different types of wagon make them all the better too - it's a great set! :D
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Looks great Sam! If only some English manufacturers known for producing affordable models (looking at you Hornby!) could take a hint!
I agree - we desperately need models as good and cheap as these in the UK! :D
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A nice pack for the price. I wish there were more UK pack like this, It's a good way of building up a rolling stock collection. I have managed to get a small collection of Oxford Rail wagons for £7.50 each from Hornby models but that's still 60 pounds for 8. They are also selling Oxford Janus shunters for £75 each or 2 for £100, should I be tempted?
Me too Rob - it'd be fantastic to get a UK train pack for that price - it really would! That sounds pretty good - that's probably about the best you can get in the UK!
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Hi Sam, an awesome freight car pack. I don't live in Europe, but I think the bin freight car might be used for hauling grain??? Or maybe loose aggregate such as cement, limestone, or sand. It resembles one of covered hoppers here in America. Anyway thanks for sharing and I'll see you next time.
Thanks very much mate! Yeah you might be right - that sounds right to me!
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Do you have a video on mixing OO and H0 rolling stock? I am considering getting a Hornby steam locomotive for my H0 layout but I’m afraid it will look huge in comparison to the H0 coaches or freight cars it would pull...
I don't really... not something that's very nice to do, but it can be done!
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If you use the other couplings which you will probably find in the accessory pack they will couple buffer to buffer and open out for the curves.
Ahh interesting - thanks for sharing!
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hello sam I have a Roco flatbed and that is a bargain in my opinion and if you have some Roco trains how many do you have and how many blue pacifics ( including Bachmann and Hornby Gordon ) do you have altogether and I love all your videos and when is the next servicing with sam coming back from david
That's awesome David - yeah I agree, a real bargain! I'm not sure if I even have any Roco engines!!
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Sam, why do some newer UK trains like transpennine express and crossrail Elizabeth Line trains don't have yellow ends? Is it not required anymore?
I'm not absolutely sure to be honest with you - I don't know much about modern stuff, lol! ;D
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Very nice trucks, I wish that type of coupling was standard. Have you considered decorating the bare parts of your layout?
A tutorial on laying down ballast would be cool.
Thanks very much mate! Yeah it's a decent type of coupling actually, very true! Sadly the bare parts are where I need to walk to access things, otherwise I would!
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Just watched the video I have just purchased one of the wagon sets and they are very good mine came with 3 different sets of couplings
Those are nice, and the word on the white one, which looks german translates, according to google to seaplane, but it also mentions frozen fish, which is probably what it is, since seaplanes have nothing to do with trains.
Ahh cool, thanks very much for checking that for me!! :D
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The low wagon is a stake wagon, and those separately fitted stakes can get annoying. The one with the flaps in the roof would be some sort of lime or salt wagon.
Duly noted, thanks a lot for the info on the stake wagon!
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Hi! Sam. What a great train pack, the quality is good too, just shows you what can be made in the EU. Hornby went wrong by getting their trains made in China, upping the cost, just to ship them over to sell here. As usual Sam another great video.
Thanks very much Trevor, glad you liked it! Yeah that's possible - though I'm sure they'd be even more expensive if they were made in the UK!
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Roco and Fleishman are owned by the same company
*Fleischmann lol, its german
@@shmeerlubs5506 thay are still in the home country's just oned by a biger company
Ahh really?? Lots of people have been saying these are like Fleichmann models, so that explains it! :D
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@@rosaleal6043 i mean you spelled it wrong. its not fleishman or fleichman, its FLEISCHMANN, you know translates to meat-man lol...
You could make a wagon to transfer couplings like that with the european hook and loop and the english couplings
Das ist gut. Good value German wagons there and yes, it is a cool wagon for the fish, probaby Baltic fish. My picture to the left was taken at Laboe on the Baltic coast. If you go to Hamburg you might like to take the train trip to Flensburg, a very interesting bridge over the canal.
haha thanks Ian - glad you liked these, I was pretty happy with them! Ahh very cool - I'd love to visit! :D
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New ray toys used to make battery operated clones of Piko, Rocco, and fleischmann and even marklin trains, the earlier sets had roadbed track that copied the look of Marklin track and was held togeather with black plastic clips that were easy to lose. they replaced them soon after with conventional snap togeather grey plastic track
Ooh really?? I'd like to see some of those, will look them up! :D
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@@SamsTrains They also had a line of battery G scale trains which were copies of Piko and LGB G gauge stuff the German diesel hydraulic Loco used the same chassis as the German Steam loco and thus had pistons and vale gear like a steam loco.
Wow these are really well detailed wagons for a budget set of wagons. Hornby should do a few Railroad wagon packs like this and some carriage packs. I once brought three rivarossi made box vans in British Leyland cars livery from what was Ontracks model store (now Golden Valley models) for £10 and they are very well detailed. Golden Valley Models and Gaugemaster both sell a lot of European models and buildings.
Thanks a lot Ben! I agree - Hornby should definitely try creating something like this! :D
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as to you wondering what the waggons with the flaplids where used for....they are called "Klappdeckelwagen" (flapdorwaggons)and their primary use was to transport lose freight which is sensitiv to moisture (or worse Water and rain) mostly they were used to transport chalk. But not for Rubbish !! ;-)
There that wasn't so bad....and yes the white van is a cooled "seafish"van.....
any other questions regards gemerman stuff....just ask me..... ;-D
Chalk as in "lime"... ,-)
Ahh cool, thanks very much for the info on this! :D
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I have this wagons , I run it with a TRIX loco that came on a kit( Is highly detailed and can make a crowl( and all the kit costs just 99 Euro( is the 21532 starter set if you whant to review))).
Ooh very nice - thanks I'll look that up! :D
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And you
do not know the level of detail of the loco. Its absolute " insane"!!! Like you say :-D
ALL WHEELL PICK UP AND FLY WHELL
WORKING LIGHTS THAT CHANGE OVER THE DIRECTION
I have that set. It is a grate way to start model railroading
Yeah definitely! It's a great way to collect some rolling stock! :D
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It means Saltwater Fish
Ahh cool! :D
And knowing from playing train sim games
Those long coal gondola like ones are used for lumber transport and sometimes you don’t need the freight holding spikes to transport logs, but unless you want them to fall off the train onto the mainline. Haha that’s funny lol.
Ahh very cool, yes I think you're right - thanks for the info! :D
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Hello again Sam,
That is a wonderful review of the Roco HO German Wagon Pack and oh my god, nearly £50 for a wagon pack, awesome.
I could do with getting this Roco German Wagon Pack very soon to go with my Marklin DB Class 86 Tank Engine, as I had it only pulling British Wagons.
DB stands for Deutsche Bahn which means German Railways in German.
The Locomotive pulling the Roco DB Wagon Pack is a Prussian Railway Steam Locomotive, but not a G4, it's a G3, just thought I correct you.
Here's some information about these locomotives on Wikipedia.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_G_3
The Roco DB Wagons goes really well with the Prussian G3 Steam Locomotive, despite they worked on different railways in Germany.
Then to the French Steam Locomotive hauling the Orient Express Coaches, I did tell you about these locomotives, the 141R's were built in North America to help out in France during the end of World War 2 and then ended up hauling freight and passengers for the SNCF, hope this helps.
Back to your review, The Roco DB Wagon Pack is amazing & despite costing nearly £50, the detail is magnificent, well done my friend.
I cannot wait for your review on a Model European Locomotive on Saturday.
Regards
Jordan Shingler 😉
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10/10
Hey Jordan, thanks very much for that mate - for the money, I can recommend it! :D
Thanks a lot for the info - I'll give that a read!
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@@SamsTrains my pleasure.
Can those Roco couplings connect with the UK type hook and loop couplings?
Yes, though you'd need to exchange them for the tension locks - but they are NEM!
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Am not surprised that you gave 8.45/10 for this pack of 8 from Roco. The quality is quite good but expensive (though surprisingly this pack is very reasonably priced). Good review.
Thank you, yeah overall this was very impressive! :D
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What's the loco pulling the wagons? It looks good and I want one
It's a Fleichmann G4.... I think... or is that G3??
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My Bachmann 57xx is not running even though I cleaned everything, checked the wiring (all fine) and tested the track, but still not running. And suggestions? Thanks :)
Hey! Unless there is a problem you've not discovered, it could well be the motor - have you tried removing it and powering it directly??
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Thanks! :)
Hello Sam i really like these,what would happen if you ran them with a Hornby loco with a normal coupling?would they just not fit to it? Please remember i am a return visitor to this great interest after a 40yr break lol ;).
Hey would work just fine - you'd just need a NEM Hornby coupling for the front wagon - which is easy enough to get! :D
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@@SamsTrains Thank you Sam for the kind reply.
That's great value for so many wagons, especially from a continental manufacturer. Possibly because the wagon starter packs are made in Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam). Makes a change from China. :-)
Have you thought about using Labelle 106 Plastic Compatible Grease with PTFE for lubricating the Angry French Loco? Might help it run quieter?
Model Railway Eras, or Epochs as they say: Epoch I: 1835 - 1920, Epoch II: 1920 - 1950, Epoch III: 1950 - 1970, Epoch IV: 1970 - 1990, Epoch V: 1990 - 2007, Epoch VI: from 2007-onwards. The G4 loco had a Service life from 1907 to 1925.
I agree - I was really pleased with these! The french loco has been fully serviced - it's just badly worn out, lol! ;D
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Can you do a marklin unboxing please.
Yeah!! I'd love to!! :D
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The loco is probably an era ll because the paint scheme isn’t black and red and after about 1919-1920 the railways of Germany were nationalized into the Deutsche Reichsbahn
Ah yes the Roco company. Its a company founded in Austria in 1968. Now it belong to Fleischmann. As a child, I had Roco wagons too, they where much cheaper than Märklin, so running Märklin locos with Roco Wagons... Yes Roco is a nice brand and I have a good friend which family run Roco/Fleischmann trains in the 3rd family( 4th generation is growing :-) generation. Nothing wrong with this trains. BTW: Seefisch means marine fish and it is NOT "Deutsche Bundesbahn" any more, as you said! The Deutsche Bundesbahn was the state company before 1994 and privatisation! Now its Deutsche Bahn Aktiengesellschaft (AG). A joint-stock company
DB may nominally be a private company but it's only shareholder is the Federal Republic of Germany, so in reality state owned. :-)
Thanks Paul for all the info on Roco - I would love to try more of their stuff, it does indeed seem a great brand! Ahh I see - thanks for this! :D
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It’s not every day you get to see a German loco that’s not just black and red. Nice set.
Yes that's very true actually!! :O
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Hi Sam I've got the first wagon the long flat one and i had no idea what make it was or what type of wagon but know i know from you video. Thanks :)
Ahh awesome! Glad you know what it's from now! :D
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Nice Video, the locomotive is a BR 53 but in Ep I (u call it area or something like that). I hope u will review more German Train sets! 👍
Thanks a lot for sharing mate, appreciate that! :D
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Ah good, some suitable stock for the Fleischmann G4! She should be in red and black with DB lettering to be correct for the era, but her original KPEV green works too if you're not picky. I suspect the bargain price is because the Manchester shop isn't selling them and just want to be rid of them. It's not British or 00 after all, is it. ;P
haha absolutely - I finally have some decent stuff for her! Yeah that's possible - though they're a similar price on Amazon!
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Another great video my man! Think I saw your doppelgänger in the NRM York last weekend! :) Anyway, any chance if you get the chance you could show us one of the modern American diesels?? They look so bad ass! Cheers man, love from Ireland!!
Shane
Ooh did you?! That's awesome, hope you had a good time! Yeah I can look into doing that - good suggestion!
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G 4 in KPEV livery (KPEV = Königlich Preussische Eisenbahn Verwaltung - Royal Prussian Railway Administration) before 1925, when the DRG (Deutsche Reichsbahn Gesellschaft - German Imperial Railway Company) was founded. The Fleischmann model is Wonderful :)
Ahh cool, thanks very much for this Gerhard!
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The 282 was Bild in America. Is a freight and passanger location.
Thanks for the info Simon, appreciate it! :D
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It's deutsche bahn actually and I have a few coaches & wagons from roco I got a blue dB wagon in Berlin recently for €4 but missing 3 buffers and both couplings, it has the nem coupling pockets though
Ahh that's good to hear - that sounds like a bargain too, even without the buffers, hehe! ;D
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Wonderful Austrian brand. Great products and prices. Also you should look at liliput, fleischmann , trix , piko and Klein Bahn.
Thanks very much! I agree - very impressed with these! :D
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Sam'sTrains my pleasure I very much enjoy your uploads. Admittedly I mainly Märklin et al though I’ve got older Hornby, Lima , Lilliput, Piko and Fleischmann locos and rolling stock too.
Hi Sam. I enjoy watching your videos. As a bit of an odd duck, I'm an American who wants to look into British model trains. Is there a brand or brands you'd recommend for high quality model railroading?
Hey Leslie, thanks so much for the comment - the best is Hornby really, though there are other good brands such as Hatton's and Oxford rail coming up! :D
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Worrra barrgin there Sam, shame UK companies don't do similar packs in that price range and quality. Out of interest, do they do a French or Belgium pack? If they do you could fit a Hornby coupling and run them with a Southern loco as the Southern ran train ferries from Dover to Calais from 1932 until late 1939 then after the war from 1946 to the 1960's. Even the 00 / HO thing isn't an issues as the French and Belgium railways built special wagons to UK loading gauge for the service.
Also been thinking about the 'bin' wagon. In the UK roofed 'bin' type wagons were used for any bulk dry cargo that you needed to keep dry. This included salt, grain, china clay, gypsom and the like, wonder if thats a greman version of the idea?
Keep up the good work
Jon
I thought saltpeter, but apparently, it's lime...
@@lupus67remus7 that would make sence
Thanks a lot Jon - yeah it is a shame, but we can live in hope! I'm not absolutely sure which other packs they make - but it's well worth taking a look if you're interested!
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It means seafish
Ahh yes! I thought it did! :D
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This one white seefishe or whatever is a freezer air conditioner wagon used for frozen foods....
I always wanted 8 OBB (Austrian State Railways) wagons alot much better than hornby railroad honestly hope I will buy it in future when available on hattons website and I also got Piko OBB Rh1116 taurus which is perfect with it. I have 2 roco wagon pack with highly detailed bought it for 30 euros at bargain rate when I visited to Austria 🇦🇹.
Yeah I agree - they definitely are better than the Railroad ones - It'd be great if Hatton's could get some of these!! :D
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Would love to see a review on the ‘angry’ French engine
I will think about it! I'm not sure whether it warrants a full review though, lol! ;D
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Sam'sTrains ah I was going to suggest the same thing! love how lots of European steam engines look like bulked up British locos, the sncf 241a comes to mind. Love branching out into Roco stuff too, great review
The Seefische van has kuhlwagen printed on it : meaning refrigerated van .
Ahh okay! Thanks for that Norbert, that makes sense!
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Green loco, Prussian State Railways.
Angry Frenchman: SNCF 141R, delivered by ALCO 1945-46, retired 1970s.
Wagons: Seefisch Kuhlwagen : Ice cooled fresh fish.
Long wagon with strakes: Timber
Van with high curve roof: General goods and livestock, postwar;
Open wagons lowsides, Machinery etc;
Open wagons high sides, Coal (may be End tippers...detail of "end-gates" not clear.)
Low top van "8&40" ( 8 horses, or 40 soldiers)...used as troop transports (WWI &II) and as Concentration Camp Transports.
Covered steel wagon with lids: carriage of rain affected products ( Soda, other granular products)
All wagons marked in 1950s Deutsche Bundesbahn style, some with RIV ( international interchange)...markings and wagon classification still pre-war DR layout. Most wagons 1920-1945 designs.
Doc AV
Brisbane, Australia.....armchair and sometime real modeler since 1960s.
Typical ROCO quality.
haha! Thanks a lot for the info mate, much appreciate it!
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Lovely set of wagons and a beautiful review!
Thanks very much Austin! :D
A very nice review Sam and an amazing price, I love it! I also like these new types of videos keep up the good work Sam! 😀👍
Thanks very much Ned - really glad you enjoyed this! :D
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I want to buy this😊
tell me how much is this price ?
Check them out on Amazon - not sure if they still have them!
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