@@quantumimmortal1337 because if you're in range to "stick" you're in range to get stabbed. That works more if you're against a more forward weighted sword, but against a rapier that can disengage, chasing sword is a BAD idea
In our jianfa group, we experimented with sticky sword vs traditional chinese swordsmanship. Sticky sword always lost. The sticky sword guy always seemed to be in defense while the traditional guy was able to control offense. When we reversed roles to see if it was a skill level of either player, the same thing happened. When you stick, you are telling your opponent where your sword is and where it is going. It is easy for the opponent to read, disengage, and cut.
In this situation you can see that rapier stabs more than it strikes. And that Jian strikes more than stabs. Both weapons could be compared in a way, because of the double-edged blade and the predominantly civilian field of application. I think the Jian often seems to be misunderstood as a chopping weapon, even though it is also a thrusting weapon. I think on the battlefield with a heavy jian, striking makes more sense... What kind of metal sparring jian is this? How heavy? Nice video and nice combination and nice match. Thanks.
This is the Scott Rodell one by Hanwei. It's honestly too heavy for my liking, just that there's not much out there except that and the LK chen one. I think it's modelled after a Ming jian, but it is not nearly nimble enough to do what I want. Ironically the Viking sword I won from this event feels better as a jian since it's effectively the same length with minimal cross guard too. Thank you for the kind words.
Going to be honest, while I realize the rapier has a little more reach, I don't this is so much proving Rapier is better than Jian than it is the guy with the Rapier is that much better than the guy with the Jian.
@@danielwilson1102 well yes, the rapier is a consistent gold medalist and has best entire team of three of longsword, saber, and rapier in Team Relay at the same event solo while I've done like three lessons with "Jian" without contact. You learn by fighting people better than you :)
Length of a weapon makes a big difference, but so do things like height, body composition, stepping styles and methods, weapon familiarity. Saying its stupid to take any one weapon against another is basically saying to forfeit if your opponent is taller than you, or if you have naturally shorter arms, or all manner of things. You do with what you have, and its good experience being on the "bad end of a deal" because it forces you to think about things like closing distance more. You can tell the Jian wielder isn't use to having to close distance against a longer weapon as much, and little by little, he gets more aggressive, more focused on closing that distance. Yes it opens him up to getting hit, but it also forces the rapier wielder to have to be either more aggressive, or back off, depending. A few weeks of focusing on using the Jian against longer weapons, or taller opponents, or both, and he'd be closing distance like he was born to. You see it in boxing all the time, someone with an infighter's frame will learn to box from someone more orthodox and try to keep distance with a jab that can never reach against someone else who can work the outside. Then, one day, it fully clicks, and the next thing you know you have a raging bull on the attack throwing hard hooks, crosses, heavy jabs instead of probing jabs, and uppercuts. Don't get me wrong, its easier to fight with the better reach advantage, but at that point, its like saying "anyone not using a spear is an idiot" which then devolves into "anyone not using a bow" and then "anyone not using a gun" so... at some point you ask "am I there just to win, or to learn and grow." Kudos to both fighters for visibly growing during their bout.
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Why aren't you sticking to his sword and controlling the angle with the sticking?
@@quantumimmortal1337 because if you're in range to "stick" you're in range to get stabbed. That works more if you're against a more forward weighted sword, but against a rapier that can disengage, chasing sword is a BAD idea
In our jianfa group, we experimented with sticky sword vs traditional chinese swordsmanship. Sticky sword always lost. The sticky sword guy always seemed to be in defense while the traditional guy was able to control offense. When we reversed roles to see if it was a skill level of either player, the same thing happened. When you stick, you are telling your opponent where your sword is and where it is going. It is easy for the opponent to read, disengage, and cut.
In this situation you can see that rapier stabs more than it strikes. And that Jian strikes more than stabs. Both weapons could be compared in a way, because of the double-edged blade and the predominantly civilian field of application.
I think the Jian often seems to be misunderstood as a chopping weapon, even though it is also a thrusting weapon. I think on the battlefield with a heavy jian, striking makes more sense...
What kind of metal sparring jian is this? How heavy?
Nice video and nice combination and nice match. Thanks.
This is the Scott Rodell one by Hanwei. It's honestly too heavy for my liking, just that there's not much out there except that and the LK chen one. I think it's modelled after a Ming jian, but it is not nearly nimble enough to do what I want. Ironically the Viking sword I won from this event feels better as a jian since it's effectively the same length with minimal cross guard too.
Thank you for the kind words.
@@KevinTangYT How heavy are jian supposed to be ?
Going to be honest, while I realize the rapier has a little more reach, I don't this is so much proving Rapier is better than Jian than it is the guy with the Rapier is that much better than the guy with the Jian.
@@danielwilson1102 well yes, the rapier is a consistent gold medalist and has best entire team of three of longsword, saber, and rapier in Team Relay at the same event solo while I've done like three lessons with "Jian" without contact. You learn by fighting people better than you :)
Where is this within socal? Is there like a college club or something ?
SoCal Swordfight itself is an annual event run by the club, SoCal Swords in the area. This year it took place in Costa Mesa at OC Fair & Event Center.
stupid to fight rapier (much longer) with a chinese jian (much shorter).
What's more stupid is to not fence at all :)
stupid to fight rapier (has a hand protection) with a chinese jian (doesn't have).
But you know, you do with what you have!
Length of a weapon makes a big difference, but so do things like height, body composition, stepping styles and methods, weapon familiarity. Saying its stupid to take any one weapon against another is basically saying to forfeit if your opponent is taller than you, or if you have naturally shorter arms, or all manner of things. You do with what you have, and its good experience being on the "bad end of a deal" because it forces you to think about things like closing distance more.
You can tell the Jian wielder isn't use to having to close distance against a longer weapon as much, and little by little, he gets more aggressive, more focused on closing that distance. Yes it opens him up to getting hit, but it also forces the rapier wielder to have to be either more aggressive, or back off, depending.
A few weeks of focusing on using the Jian against longer weapons, or taller opponents, or both, and he'd be closing distance like he was born to. You see it in boxing all the time, someone with an infighter's frame will learn to box from someone more orthodox and try to keep distance with a jab that can never reach against someone else who can work the outside. Then, one day, it fully clicks, and the next thing you know you have a raging bull on the attack throwing hard hooks, crosses, heavy jabs instead of probing jabs, and uppercuts.
Don't get me wrong, its easier to fight with the better reach advantage, but at that point, its like saying "anyone not using a spear is an idiot" which then devolves into "anyone not using a bow" and then "anyone not using a gun" so... at some point you ask "am I there just to win, or to learn and grow."
Kudos to both fighters for visibly growing during their bout.