Can’t imagine the amount of hours of digging fiddlers it would take to supply an entire head boat with enough fiddlers for a trip! I dig my own because they’re not commercially available but they certainly don’t stay on the hook well.
Hi John, on whites vs. greens, I have always heard that greens produce fine for most of the season and that's been my experience as well. Greens naturally inhabit inshore habitat and are pretty natural bait for the area you're fishing. I know many anglers will start to prefer white crabs as the season goes on and the water temps drop and fish move into deeper structure/wrecks. In particular, many anglers favor whites come Thanksgiving time and especially for deep drop ocean fishing in 65-70+ feet of water. I don't think you will ever NEED white crabs in the areas you fish, but I don't think many blackfish will turn their nose at a cherry white crab either. They may not be worth their premium price-wise until late in the season or you are targeting deeper ocean structure.
I tried white leggers and they’re not as good as green crabs. They’re too hard and not as juicy as green crabs. I usually work the tautog spot for 30 minutes. Chumming green crabs work but if you’re on a budget, the cutting crab legs into the water makes a huge difference in attracting fish to the boat.
We use white crab in south NJ on the wrecks out in the ocean. 50-120’ of water. When the water gets colder down below 60 the closer to 50 degrees it get the white crabs seems to work better. These white crabs a native to the wrecks. I would also say the whites produce bigger fish in these conditions as well. I would chose a small whole white crab chasing big trophy togs on the wrecks in deep water and choose green crab with warmer waters in the bay spots.
I've never used white crabs before but did recently try jonah crabs alongside greens. It seemed like once the inards of the jonah were gone the fish didnt seem to pay much attention to the carapass with just meat in it. Once i switched to greens the fish were chewing till the jig was clean or they were hooked.
To me it seems like green crab always works. There are days where white legs work better but I've had days where white legs were ignored. Reading the other posts it might be because I dont target tog in deeper water. I catch tog in the time period between the close of flounder and when the migratory stripers hit south jersey in numbers (mid to late nov).
Thanks for helping me learn from you. I live in Ca. Ventura to be exact. We are getting more and more stripers here and I love it. My question is about the 3-way bucktail rig you use. I had not used it as you do. When you are lowering to the bottom, are you able to tell when the bucktail, hits; or do you need the lead weight to hit bottom? I am a bit concerned about trying it here, with some really tricky rocky bottoms. Thanks for all your do for us.
These are deep rips, like 40-80 feet, and 2-5+ mph currents. Yes, with that heavy weight you certainly feel the bottom collision of the sinker. The bucktail is meant to stand out from the 3-way. Awesome that you have stripers there. Pretty cool history how that happened.
Nice video. Going out for more than one species is always a challenge and fun. Can you tell me where I can get some of them round sinkers I don't see them listed in your gear. Thanks.
Hey, this is Ryan from south jersey yak fishing. I'm curious to know if you use your spot lock jog to explore different parts of the rock structure, or if you stay in one spot and move to a different area completely after about 30 mins. I ask because here in south jersey I fish with the oldtown autopilot and am very impatient. I have found that jogging 5 or 10 feet can make a huge difference if Im not getting bites within 5 to 10 mins. Do you jog around alot over the structure before leaving as well?
Ok, I usually have to fish jetty rocks which are scattered around. I am always looking for the big drop offs on the sonar and finding the tog on the slack side of the structure. I usually end up with a mixed bag as well. Down here I find it essential to move around. Thanks for your response, and thank you for all the video work you do. I have been doing my own with two camera angles at all times and know how much work goes into it. You videos are excellent! I have learned alot from you! 👍
I lived near Sound Beach when I was a kid, but that was a long time ago. My only tip is that the Sound Beach beaches produced best for me on stripers on the bottom half of the tide.
Hi John, what do you imagine is happening to the bucktail? Is it hanging straight down or standing off perpendicular to your main line? If the current is moving at 3.5 knots, and so are you, wouldn’t the bucktail hang straight down? Do you have any old underwater footage of this?
Awesome question. It's standing out. We know this because there is scoping on the line. If there wasn't we wouldn't need a heavy sinker. The reason for the scope is that the top level current is moving faster than the bottom. It does that here.
Nice mixed bag! Guys were fishing right on top of you at the first blackfishing drops. Don't get it, it's a big LI Sound. What's the deal with the Albies?
I give it 15 mins for a bite, if not one bite... I move. If I see a few bites, shorts.... I give it another 15. If no keepers or quality in the second 15 mins... I move to better ground. I like spots that are drop and quality shortly after setting up. Majority of the time I will not spotlock unless I have seen something on the downscan or sideacan.
I tell people what I use. Always have. It's the case now that my name is on some of it. If I don't explain what I'm using, I end up with the questions in the comments.
Well planned. I can't stress to people having a plan and sticking to it. There so many days when people come out and nothing happens in an hour and they want to go do something else. Like when i go tuna fishing I'm tuna fishing. I'm not fishing for sea bass or changing something. I go to i get my fish or run out of gas. This weekend while everyone is fighting over stripers I'm going to try and get a giant bluefin right next to them 😂. I just don't get the awe of stripers when there are 300lb tuna right with them
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White crabs and muds are my go too bait.
A nice day of fall fishing, John. An enjoyable video to watch. Keep em' coming.
Back when I had a personal use lobster license I got lots of hermit crabs in my pots which was great. I use green crabs from the local B&T shop now.
Hermits are awesome for sure.
The party boats in Sheepshead Bay Brooklyn used to provide fiddler crabs for black fish. But that was in the 70s and 80s.
Can’t imagine the amount of hours of digging fiddlers it would take to supply an entire head boat with enough fiddlers for a trip! I dig my own because they’re not commercially available but they certainly don’t stay on the hook well.
That spinner reel sounds amazing
Hi John, on whites vs. greens, I have always heard that greens produce fine for most of the season and that's been my experience as well. Greens naturally inhabit inshore habitat and are pretty natural bait for the area you're fishing. I know many anglers will start to prefer white crabs as the season goes on and the water temps drop and fish move into deeper structure/wrecks. In particular, many anglers favor whites come Thanksgiving time and especially for deep drop ocean fishing in 65-70+ feet of water. I don't think you will ever NEED white crabs in the areas you fish, but I don't think many blackfish will turn their nose at a cherry white crab either. They may not be worth their premium price-wise until late in the season or you are targeting deeper ocean structure.
Your answer is consistent with what I've heard. Thanks.
are these green crabs the invasive shore crabs from Europe? They are known as shore crabs in the UK
White crabs are togs number 1 forage in deeper wrecks and reefs. At least that’s the case in south Jersey. It’s always nice to have both on board.
Yes, and green crabs and sand fleas for jetty and bridges in south jersey! 👍
Greens are fine for inshore blackfish but once temps drop and they move offshore to deeper waters whiteleggers all the way.
I tried white leggers and they’re not as good as green crabs. They’re too hard and not as juicy as green crabs. I usually work the tautog spot for 30 minutes. Chumming green crabs work but if you’re on a budget, the cutting crab legs into the water makes a huge difference in attracting fish to the boat.
Time to head south for some good fishing.
Almost time.
0:50 'Chum with crushed mussels in a basket' with a fiddler crab on your jig at that rock and bites will come quicker IF they are there :)
We use white crab in south NJ on the wrecks out in the ocean. 50-120’ of water. When the water gets colder down below 60 the closer to 50 degrees it get the white crabs seems to work better. These white crabs a native to the wrecks. I would also say the whites produce bigger fish in these conditions as well. I would chose a small whole white crab chasing big trophy togs on the wrecks in deep water and choose green crab with warmer waters in the bay spots.
Great input. Thanks.
White crab is essential late season deep water
I've never used white crabs before but did recently try jonah crabs alongside greens. It seemed like once the inards of the jonah were gone the fish didnt seem to pay much attention to the carapass with just meat in it. Once i switched to greens the fish were chewing till the jig was clean or they were hooked.
Where was u able to get Jonah’s from?
Greens Asian inshore . White Leggers, offshore especially later in the season.
White leggers in the ocean when water gets cold.
To me it seems like green crab always works. There are days where white legs work better but I've had days where white legs were ignored.
Reading the other posts it might be because I dont target tog in deeper water. I catch tog in the time period between the close of flounder and when the migratory stripers hit south jersey in numbers (mid to late nov).
When you arrive at the fist drop at plum gut rip did you see activity on the screen? Or just took a chance ? That was a quick hook up
I paid no attention to looking for fish marking. I was targeting known structure and older drift lines.
Thanks for helping me learn from you. I live in Ca. Ventura to be exact. We are getting more and more stripers here and I love it. My question is about the 3-way bucktail rig you use. I had not used it as you do. When you are lowering to the bottom, are you able to tell when the bucktail, hits; or do you need the lead weight to hit bottom? I am a bit concerned about trying it here, with some really tricky rocky bottoms. Thanks for all your do for us.
These are deep rips, like 40-80 feet, and 2-5+ mph currents. Yes, with that heavy weight you certainly feel the bottom collision of the sinker. The bucktail is meant to stand out from the 3-way. Awesome that you have stripers there. Pretty cool history how that happened.
Nice video. Going out for more than one species is always a challenge and fun. Can you tell me where I can get some of them round sinkers I don't see them listed in your gear. Thanks.
We poured them ourselves.
Hillyers tackle niantic ct has the round sinkers I believe.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing I need to start making my own sinkers. Thanks John! 🎣
Any catch and cook videos coming soon john?
I get below average views on those so I'd rather stick to fishing.
What day was that at Plum Gut? At 7:00 that sure looks like us!
Hey what reel and line did you use on the M jig and bounce? I have that rod it’s amazing.
A Penn Clash 3000, but I think a Tsunami Evict 3000 would be a better choice. I didn't have one of those spooled with 10# line.
How do you prepare you Tog for dinner
How much line do you move per crank on the conventional setup?
Hey, this is Ryan from south jersey yak fishing. I'm curious to know if you use your spot lock jog to explore different parts of the rock structure, or if you stay in one spot and move to a different area completely after about 30 mins. I ask because here in south jersey I fish with the oldtown autopilot and am very impatient. I have found that jogging 5 or 10 feet can make a huge difference if Im not getting bites within 5 to 10 mins. Do you jog around alot over the structure before leaving as well?
I'm fishing boulders and don't move on them much. It would be different if the structure was large or scattered.
Ok, I usually have to fish jetty rocks which are scattered around. I am always looking for the big drop offs on the sonar and finding the tog on the slack side of the structure. I usually end up with a mixed bag as well. Down here I find it essential to move around.
Thanks for your response, and thank you for all the video work you do. I have been doing my own with two camera angles at all times and know how much work goes into it. You videos are excellent! I have learned alot from you! 👍
John is that just sticky mud you can get snaged on or rock contour
Rocks
Hi John I live near 1600 sound beach drive I was wondering do you fish around hear just started fishing and I was looking for a good spot
I lived near Sound Beach when I was a kid, but that was a long time ago. My only tip is that the Sound Beach beaches produced best for me on stripers on the bottom half of the tide.
Looking forward to Florida 2024 videos
Soon!
Hi John, what do you imagine is happening to the bucktail? Is it hanging straight down or standing off perpendicular to your main line? If the current is moving at 3.5 knots, and so are you, wouldn’t the bucktail hang straight down? Do you have any old underwater footage of this?
Awesome question. It's standing out. We know this because there is scoping on the line. If there wasn't we wouldn't need a heavy sinker. The reason for the scope is that the top level current is moving faster than the bottom. It does that here.
Nice mixed bag! Guys were fishing right on top of you at the first blackfishing drops. Don't get it, it's a big LI Sound. What's the deal with the Albies?
Those guys were fine. Small well-known piece. Still albies around. Saw them Monday. Caught a couple on the beach yesterday.
Do you ever eat stripped bass or bluefish? Thank you for the wonderful content
I don't eat either. I eat fluke, seabass, and blackfish.
What kind of boat you running? Nice rig.
1986 Grumman 5.0 Meter Boat
I give it 15 mins for a bite, if not one bite... I move. If I see a few bites, shorts.... I give it another 15. If no keepers or quality in the second 15 mins... I move to better ground. I like spots that are drop and quality shortly after setting up. Majority of the time I will not spotlock unless I have seen something on the downscan or sideacan.
Thanks Todd.
John when you go out on a trip like this, how long are you out for in total? Do you already have the spot, tide, lure/jig/bait in mind before you go?
I always have everything planned out. This was 4 hours total including running.
That set up looks like it's going to crack your fishing pole or maybe even a nuckle. I guess that's what it's meant to do. 😂😅😢
How deep did u mark those seabass ??
I didn't. They were welcome bycatch.
What's the weight of the bucktail 1/2 - 3/4 ??
1.25 ounces on the bucktail, 1-ounce on the tog jig.
WHITE LEGGERS OR GET BENT...... no but seriously I will die on the white crab hill, I think they outperform greenies three fold
Has this been a slow year for albies?
September was above average, but October slow. I'm still getting them and it's not over.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing when do you expect they’ll leave the sound?
Stop promoting every item . Reason people stop watching you. Your a good fisherman stick to that.
I tell people what I use. Always have. It's the case now that my name is on some of it. If I don't explain what I'm using, I end up with the questions in the comments.
Well planned. I can't stress to people having a plan and sticking to it. There so many days when people come out and nothing happens in an hour and they want to go do something else. Like when i go tuna fishing I'm tuna fishing. I'm not fishing for sea bass or changing something. I go to i get my fish or run out of gas. This weekend while everyone is fighting over stripers I'm going to try and get a giant bluefin right next to them 😂. I just don't get the awe of stripers when there are 300lb tuna right with them