We ned more fisherman like you...I'm tired of seeing all these 3/0 hooks with 40 grams weights on the bottoms of our river after they were used to scar many fish.
Very informative, thanks, Petr! I'd like to add something, if you don't mind: if you don't have an Ugly Stik, don't raise your rod tip to 90 degrees when fighting a fish, as it could break.
That is a good point. The bottom of the rod should be 90 degrees to the line, not the tip. I had already fought a few of those dinosaurs and was starting to get sloppy.
Great demo, Petr. Would be great to see more folks landing fish like that, regardless of how spawned out they are. I think a big part of the problem is that people are usually lined up too closely on rivers like the Vedder and don’t have the ability to play a fish in like that because others don’t give space. There seems to be expectation to get your fish in as fast as possible so others can also catch one. As a result, there’s more people using heavier lines and just dragging them up on the rocks.
Great tips! I usually go one step further and just won't fish places where I know I will be getting into fish I have to release. I like to keep the catch and release as minimal as possible and take home the fish I am targeting.
I hear you. I went to that slow shallow spot specifically hoping there would be coho sitting there rather than chinook. I have enough chinook in the freezer already.
First of all, you do realize the amount of potential damage and damage that is done to a salmonids eye(s) from even a single barbless hook right? More fish, even adult salmonids, will suffer vision loss or eye loss from an anglers single barbless hook (usually a spoon or spinner siwash hook). Not to mention, the amount of smolts that succumb to even the smallest of single barbless hooks. This whole mass movement of new anglers consistently saying a landing net is necessary for proper catch and release is not speaking from experience, but more less just speaking from inexperience in landing fish properly without a net. In most cases, a net is a burden to pack around and will often cause more harm and thrashing from fish. You are fully contradicting yourself in this video as your fish lays flat (eye side down) for a period of time. If that is actually your worry, you just contradicted yourself. While I am a big believer in proper catch and release techniques and utmost care for fish that need to be or are going to be released, you also have to remember what these fish go through in their environments. Salmon and steelhead leap and jump velocity barriers and obstruction barriers constantly in a lot of systems - bashing and banging their own heads and eyes, flopping around on rocks to reach their next step, etc etc. The list goes on… And not to mention, a lot of those fish such as summer steelhead that do so end up spending almost a full year in freshwater awaiting their spawn in the Spring time. The more major issues come with dragging them up on the rocks, using gloves, and not wetting your hands. I appreciate what you’re doing and many do, however saying the use of a net is virtually necessary is complete garbage. In most cases the best way to land a fish and cause the least amount of harm is to in fact, do it how you showed exactly in this video.
We're never going to agree on everything, let's just say that we both have the well being of the fish among our top priorities. My core audience are inexperienced anglers who want to learn and for them a net is the safest way to land fish. I have spent hundreds of hours underwater with these fish and I see exactly the kinds of injuries that bother them. I would like your input on the complementary video to this one: ruclips.net/video/HMiAFS7hr2c/видео.html
@@petrhermanadventures9509 Let’s just say there is a bit more to angling than just the Vedder and snorkelling the Vedder… Once again, I appreciate your efforts, but the new age era of anglers really really really seem to forget where they came from, how inexperienced they actually are, and that maybe, just maybe, there are more than a few people out there with a lot more experience. This is the problem that has come along with social media and our fisheries. Ie. A newer angler posts a video on how to fish and gets a following of even newer anglers. Said angler has now convinced the even newer anglers on how their method is the best, yet based on their very minimal experience. Sure nets have their place, but a fish in almost any non-boat scenario (salmon or steelhead) can be easily landed and handled unharmed without the use of a net. Heck, most nets people carry nowadays don’t even fit a 10lb steelhead in them.
Like I said above, we'll never agree on everything, but our core values are the same. I'm 51 and started fishing about 44 years ago, how long before I'm not "new" anymore? I agree that we all have things to learn, so keep the comments coming.
Petr it’s a good thing your doing showing us about the eye damage, I would have never thought about this unless you showed us with the underwater videos. I think we all like to have as many fish in the river as possible and can agree that putting fish back healthy is a benefit to our future fishing enjoyment, keep up the good work my fishy friend.
Thanks for the comment. Eye damage is the one thing that really stands out when I'm swimming with the fish. They seem to run around just fine with nasty hook marks and seal bites, but as soon as the eye gets infected, they lose the will to live.
If you're in Canada, Canadian tire has a good selection at good prices. I made a video last year about salmon gear, check that out. Overall I use a long handle and shallow bag for river fishing. I like my nets on the large side so I don't have to fold the fish in half to fit it in there. We have many huge chinooks and chum in our river.
Yes, I find twitching jigs highly effective for chinook. I carry two rods and switch back and forth between floating roe and twitching jigs. Jigs can be quite destructive when not used properly. Many people twitch way too hard and fast and foul hook lots of fish as a result.
Okay so smooth, wet rocks that arent even in contact with the side of a fish's head damage eyes, but net mesh wedged into an eyeball with gravity pulling 20lbs of salmon down into the mesh does not. Got it.
No, you don't got it. When netting a salmon for release, the fish still just stays in the water an is not lifted out. Also the new rubber nets are much more forgiving.
Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything, so I appreciate the discussion. I don't know if you follow my channel, but I have spent hundreds of hours snorkeling with salmon in our river. The most obvious debilitating injuries are always to the eyes. We have a problem locally with inexperienced anglers dragging fish all the way up on the bank, then releasing them. For experienced anglers net or no net makes very little difference, but a lot of my audience are new people wanting to learn to fish better and for them a landing net is the path to least harm for sure.
for the experienced angler it doesn't make much difference, but for a novice the net is definitely the better way to go. Salmon have a heavy slime coat and will die before a fungal infection can kill them anyway. Having spent hundreds of hours in the water with them, I definitely see the patterns of what makes for debilitating injuries, and it's almost always the eyes.
We ned more fisherman like you...I'm tired of seeing all these 3/0 hooks with 40 grams weights on the bottoms of our river after they were used to scar many fish.
Thanks, I doubt I would still be doing youtube if I didn't see the need to influence our fishery in a positive direction.
Very informative, thanks, Petr! I'd like to add something, if you don't mind: if you don't have an Ugly Stik, don't raise your rod tip to 90 degrees when fighting a fish, as it could break.
That is a good point. The bottom of the rod should be 90 degrees to the line, not the tip. I had already fought a few of those dinosaurs and was starting to get sloppy.
Great demo, Petr. Would be great to see more folks landing fish like that, regardless of how spawned out they are.
I think a big part of the problem is that people are usually lined up too closely on rivers like the Vedder and don’t have the ability to play a fish in like that because others don’t give space. There seems to be expectation to get your fish in as fast as possible so others can also catch one. As a result, there’s more people using heavier lines and just dragging them up on the rocks.
I agree 100% with everything you said.
Nice Pete! Stay safe around the water, and thank you for making the vid!🎣🎣🎣
Thanks, will do!
Great video. Thanks for sharing good ethics.
Thanks for watching!
Very informative my friend. Keep sharing videos like this.
Thank you, I will
How heavy of a rod are you using in this video?
I think it's rated for 12 to 15 pound line, I'm not sure. I found it in the river while snorkeling a couple of years ago.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 is that what you would recommend using for catching springs? Or would you go heavier
On the low end of ok for chinook in smaller waters like this, i use a 8 ft 6 fenwick rated 8 to 20 pounds and a 9ft Trophy rated 10 to 17@iamtheq2969
@@BradtheButcher1234 perfect, thank you
Great tips! I usually go one step further and just won't fish places where I know I will be getting into fish I have to release. I like to keep the catch and release as minimal as possible and take home the fish I am targeting.
I hear you. I went to that slow shallow spot specifically hoping there would be coho sitting there rather than chinook. I have enough chinook in the freezer already.
2:57 look at the big salmon that rises in the river
Great observation. There were about a dozen of them sitting there.
Haha, like a pro! Thanks again for the video and showing the technical aspects that are often overlooked.
Thanks for the positive comment, I really appreciate it.
First of all, you do realize the amount of potential damage and damage that is done to a salmonids eye(s) from even a single barbless hook right? More fish, even adult salmonids, will suffer vision loss or eye loss from an anglers single barbless hook (usually a spoon or spinner siwash hook). Not to mention, the amount of smolts that succumb to even the smallest of single barbless hooks.
This whole mass movement of new anglers consistently saying a landing net is necessary for proper catch and release is not speaking from experience, but more less just speaking from inexperience in landing fish properly without a net. In most cases, a net is a burden to pack around and will often cause more harm and thrashing from fish.
You are fully contradicting yourself in this video as your fish lays flat (eye side down) for a period of time. If that is actually your worry, you just contradicted yourself.
While I am a big believer in proper catch and release techniques and utmost care for fish that need to be or are going to be released, you also have to remember what these fish go through in their environments. Salmon and steelhead leap and jump velocity barriers and obstruction barriers constantly in a lot of systems - bashing and banging their own heads and eyes, flopping around on rocks to reach their next step, etc etc. The list goes on… And not to mention, a lot of those fish such as summer steelhead that do so end up spending almost a full year in freshwater awaiting their spawn in the Spring time.
The more major issues come with dragging them up on the rocks, using gloves, and not wetting your hands.
I appreciate what you’re doing and many do, however saying the use of a net is virtually necessary is complete garbage. In most cases the best way to land a fish and cause the least amount of harm is to in fact, do it how you showed exactly in this video.
We're never going to agree on everything, let's just say that we both have the well being of the fish among our top priorities. My core audience are inexperienced anglers who want to learn and for them a net is the safest way to land fish. I have spent hundreds of hours underwater with these fish and I see exactly the kinds of injuries that bother them. I would like your input on the complementary video to this one: ruclips.net/video/HMiAFS7hr2c/видео.html
@@petrhermanadventures9509 Let’s just say there is a bit more to angling than just the Vedder and snorkelling the Vedder… Once again, I appreciate your efforts, but the new age era of anglers really really really seem to forget where they came from, how inexperienced they actually are, and that maybe, just maybe, there are more than a few people out there with a lot more experience.
This is the problem that has come along with social media and our fisheries. Ie. A newer angler posts a video on how to fish and gets a following of even newer anglers. Said angler has now convinced the even newer anglers on how their method is the best, yet based on their very minimal experience.
Sure nets have their place, but a fish in almost any non-boat scenario (salmon or steelhead) can be easily landed and handled unharmed without the use of a net. Heck, most nets people carry nowadays don’t even fit a 10lb steelhead in them.
Like I said above, we'll never agree on everything, but our core values are the same. I'm 51 and started fishing about 44 years ago, how long before I'm not "new" anymore? I agree that we all have things to learn, so keep the comments coming.
Looks like a lot of fun ☺️
Very nice fish
Yes it was, after the heavy rain a lot of new fish came in the fishing was awesome.
Your smile is as big as the fish 😁🐟
Landing a big fish never gets old. I'm primarily a food fisherman, but we have an annual limit of 10 chinooks, so most have to go back.
This is great!!!
I'm very glad you liked it, thanks for the kind wrds.
Love your videos buddy
I appreciate that!
That was awesome
Thanks for the kind comment, much appreciated.
Petr it’s a good thing your doing showing us about the eye damage, I would have never thought about this unless you showed us with the underwater videos. I think we all like to have as many fish in the river as possible and can agree that putting fish back healthy is a benefit to our future fishing enjoyment, keep up the good work my fishy friend.
Thanks for the comment. Eye damage is the one thing that really stands out when I'm swimming with the fish. They seem to run around just fine with nasty hook marks and seal bites, but as soon as the eye gets infected, they lose the will to live.
Hi Petr, can you recommend any landing nets?
If you're in Canada, Canadian tire has a good selection at good prices. I made a video last year about salmon gear, check that out. Overall I use a long handle and shallow bag for river fishing. I like my nets on the large side so I don't have to fold the fish in half to fit it in there. We have many huge chinooks and chum in our river.
@@petrhermanadventures9509Thanks for the advice, I’ll check it out.Ive been shopping for mobey nets at pacific angler and they sure are expensive!
Yup, the moby nets are the caddilac. I'm more of a Toyota guy :)
Placing your rod & reel under water while tending to the fish will ruin your reel quickly!
Where on the sandy is this
It's the Vedder.
were you using a jig?
Yes, I find twitching jigs highly effective for chinook. I carry two rods and switch back and forth between floating roe and twitching jigs. Jigs can be quite destructive when not used properly. Many people twitch way too hard and fast and foul hook lots of fish as a result.
Okay so smooth, wet rocks that arent even in contact with the side of a fish's head damage eyes, but net mesh wedged into an eyeball with gravity pulling 20lbs of salmon down into the mesh does not.
Got it.
No, you don't got it. When netting a salmon for release, the fish still just stays in the water an is not lifted out. Also the new rubber nets are much more forgiving.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 the vast majority of anglers who use nets will do as I described, and all nets cause damage.
Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything, so I appreciate the discussion. I don't know if you follow my channel, but I have spent hundreds of hours snorkeling with salmon in our river. The most obvious debilitating injuries are always to the eyes. We have a problem locally with inexperienced anglers dragging fish all the way up on the bank, then releasing them. For experienced anglers net or no net makes very little difference, but a lot of my audience are new people wanting to learn to fish better and for them a landing net is the path to least harm for sure.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 fair assessment.
Submerging your reel like you did is fatally bad for gears & bearings!
I am the net
lol
is hand-tailing a salmon better for catch and release fishing than using a net ;
youtube gary cooper salmon fishing videos
for the experienced angler it doesn't make much difference, but for a novice the net is definitely the better way to go. Salmon have a heavy slime coat and will die before a fungal infection can kill them anyway. Having spent hundreds of hours in the water with them, I definitely see the patterns of what makes for debilitating injuries, and it's almost always the eyes.
@@petrhermanadventures9509
HAND-TAILING A SALMON
is a great experience to try it .
NETS Make it easier & safer ,
and are the standard method