Brand new CFI here and this was an awesome reminder. I have a lot of brand new student pilots and I feel bad taking controls so often to demo things… this was good reassurance. One thing to add on taking controls: when I’m explaining something to them, I will take controls and fly straight and level / turn us to a new heading so that they can relax a bit and actually listen to what I’m saying. It helps a lot for them to not be overwhelmed while flying and you’re yapping 🥰
I'm a student pilot and I totally agree with this. It's hard to fly and listen with a whole airplane in your hands. All the best to you and your students. m
Working on CFI now. My instructor said he typically will place one of his hands over the student's eyes when they freeze up on the controls. He says they will naturally want to reach up and remove your hand. If they're scared, they can no longer see the threat making them freeze up, which helps them "snap out of it." I'm sure I'll have to do that many times. I'd only do the karate chop on the nose trick if it was a life-or-death situation. I'd be afraid the student would try to charge me with assault/battery charges. My CFI acting as a "student" used excessive rudder while doing slow flight to see if I was shadowing the rudders adequately. I wasn't, it was a good lesson, lol. More CFI-related stuff, please! This information is gold!
I was a CFI/II/MEI back in the 90’s. Free pro tip for all those now coming up through the ranks, your danger zone isn’t when you are brand new. It’s just about the time you have the hours to qualify for that next step. You must fight complacency! I look back, and still feel lucky all these years later that nothing bad happened to me. I made a few questionable decisions, let a few things go longer than I should’ve. But all these years later, it served as a great reminder for me to never become complacent. Very nice video and great topic to discuss.
Thank you for this. I’m working on my CFI right now… I was a pretty quick learner, started in March and got my commercial last week. I never really did much crazy or unsafe stuff. It’s helpful to start to think and prepare for all types of students.
Starting my CFI training now. This is what I’m most nervous about. I don’t want to get behind and something go wrong. I WILL be requesting to do ALOT of this practice with my CFI
I agree. The ability to forcibly take control of the airplane is the most safety-critical skill. Rare as these events may be, CFIs fly with a lot of new students.
It has happened to friends of our who are CFIs. Harder for them since they instruct in a lot of planes with tandem seating. I have a lot of respect for good CFIs - it is not an easy job.
Heck yes on not letting the student fly all the time! So glad somebody finally said it! When I was learning commercial maneuvers, the first CFI I had only explained and never demonstrated. I flew with another CFI who demonstrated a lot, and it helped me so much. And while you definitely have to practice, having a "model," in this case a CFI's demonstration, to go off of is incredibly helpful.
Thanks ma’am I totally agree to everything you have brilliantly put together, your points are well noted and can be very helpful, thanks Manasseh from Nigeria
I’d love a video for the students how to prepare ourselves for the possibility of our brains shutting out and not being able to control our muscles the way you say. I haven’t started yet, but I would think like you said in another part, it shouldn’t get that far in the first place if you’re a good student would be my guess?
Nice vid and good points. I'm a "Career 2.0" kind of guy... and I'm soon going to have my CFI. These are all great points for me to keep in mind. (Doing spin training today)
Seems like I am one of the few that didn't become a CFI along my trip. Thanks for the video Kaity, good Monday from Wisconsin. The worst thing I hear from the aircraft or mostly in the flight simulator is the airplane call out Bank Angle. We still do a brief and de-brief after every flight in the 747.
Thanks for the content! Great work. I'm taking on my first couple Private students. One has soloed at a CAP flight academy in under 10 hours, and one has about 25 hours at a flight school with no solo. I'm curious about how you evaluate new students who have some flight experience? Seems really common.
I just start with lesson 1 and see how they do tbh. So for both of them I’d go do a coupe steep turns, slow flight and maybe one other item and see if there proficient in those
Very well said. I also think young male instructors need to be prepared to deal with the big egos and defense mechanisms of some older men… be respectful of the customer but not allow themselves to be intimidated.
These are the conversations we should be having as CFIs. Sharing experiences and developing plans for different situations helps us grow not only as pilots but as instructors. I get that many of us are trying to get to the airlines, myself included, but we have to do our due diligence in ensuring we are delivering quality training. The more we rush the poorer the quality. Just think that student you’re training is going to be the FO sitting next to you one day. When they’re under your command in the future did you give them the proper training to be in that seat and do you trust the training you gave them?
I agree with you on takeoffs, my instructor let me takeoff for my discovery flight I guess it was because I was calm and asking the proper questions as we were taxing to the run up area. However, in hindsight when I'm a CFI I will not let students do takeoffs on discoveries.
I just feel like there isnt much training value to it and there’s a lot of risk. I used to let students take off on discovery flights too but after hearing about those accidents I reconsidered
@@pilotkaity I agree about doing the first takeoff, or the first of any maneuver for that matter. Otherwise, how is the learner to know what 'right' looks like?
Ooo interesting, you very seldom hear from CFI-S folks. I’m thinking about getting my CFI-S and there’s almost no information out there on it. Is the training roughly the same? Is your ground school essentially the normal CFI ground school? I’m assuming FOI and all of that stuff is the same but the differentiation between CFI and CFI-S is really, REALLY difficult to get info on outside of the ACS.
I have a ton of info on CFI-S on my instagram! I also wrote a pdf guide that covers all things light sport CFI. It is linked in all the bios of my social media
Hello. I am not a pilot, just an aviation enthusiast. I wonder if CFIs practice all this communication and student reactions on the ground. Does a student know what to do exactly when he hears "my controls"
What about CFI's playing on their phones, listening to music, tapping fingers nervously, just wanting to earn hours? Practice what you preach! The student is paying you! They hired you! Not to be assaulted, insulted, or have posts about them on making fun of them, doing risky maneuvers like zero g pulls, showing off. Every instructor I ever met play on there phone
When I first started flying, I noticed my instructor blocked the controls to prevent nosing the aircraft down after ballooning upon landing. There are so many NTSB reports of Cessna 152s nose wheels collapsing after ballooning the aircraft on landing..
being a diabetic does not disqualify you as a pilot. You have to have to good blood sugar values (A1C) and a confirmation from your physician. You then send all the paperwork to the FAA and they will let you fly under special issuance. You then have to submit a written yearly report on a FAA form and they will send over a new medical for one year. You still have to go to the AME periodically (depends on you class and age)
That’s a recently new development and at this time it was disqualifying. Either way, it’s not something a sport pilot could fly with since they have a condition that would need to be examined by the faa to determine if they could qualify for a medical
Both statements are true. The rule was changed in 2018 to allow insulin dependent pilots to fly under a required special issuance. Can't just go lsa because it's a known condition. But if you go class 3 and get your SI you can then go basic med.
Thanks for the shout out to creation and how God made us. Observing creation is one of the best parts of flying. I’m referring to nature passing below our planes not female instructors, though I guess that fits too sometimes 😂
You are incorrect on Diabetes. I recommend reviewing part 67 Subpart D paragraph 313{a}. Diabetes by itself is not a disqualifying factor for a 3rd Class Medical. If you are type II for example and not insulin dependent, you will likely be able to fly depending if medical complications exist. "No established medical history or clinical diagnosis of diabetes mellitus that requires insulin or any other hypoglycemic drug for control."
For light sport you can’t have any known medical issues that would prevent you from getting a medical. So him not getting an actual medical and trying to go light sport to avoid getting the medical was the problem.
Kaity, Be careful on getting student pilots to sign a document laying out their medical history. Make sure you have a qualified attorney look at it to ensure that its legal. You may run afoul of HIPAA and open yourself up to civil liability from the very same student who is lying to to you.
It was just a document saying they complied with CFR part 67 and listed this conditions and then stating they have never been denied or deferred of a medical. All stuff they have to attest to in order to fly
This is a sticky issue, and I definitely think an aviation attorney should review not just the form, but the necessity of even using the form. On one hand, you might face an issue due to privacy issues by asking these types of questions and maybe even an issue if you deny CFI services because of a person's suspected or actual health condition if it's not relevant. On the other hand, if you don't ask and your student has an accident, you might face an issue. But normally to be liable in a civil action you will have needed to breach a duty of care. Is there a duty of care to probe into a student's medical history? If not, then maybe better not to do it. These are the types of questions an aviation attorney can answer. Disclaimer: not to be taken as legal advice.
Excellent content! I had this happen to me in a big way. Thanks for addressing this little-talked-about topic for newer CFIs especially. ruclips.net/video/Vv0NNjQOCkI/видео.html
I'd be very careful with employing physical, defensive techniques. If you use these, the lesson is effectively over because the student is now focused on you making contact with them instead of flying the aircraft. As a former police officer, I'd like to say that striking someone or even making contact with them in an aircraft in US Air Space (federal jurisdiction) is setting yourself up for detainment and even arrest for assault and battery by your local US Marshals Office. And without a way to prove that you had to do so (i.e., a camera) you could wind up in jail, even if you think that interaction was warranted. As someone who has taught for sometime, I'd also recommend properly screening your students first. Sit down with them over a cup of coffee and ask questions. Pay particular attention to body language as that's a much better indicator of dishonesty or even hazardous attitudes than the answers themselves. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Brand new CFI here and this was an awesome reminder. I have a lot of brand new student pilots and I feel bad taking controls so often to demo things… this was good reassurance.
One thing to add on taking controls: when I’m explaining something to them, I will take controls and fly straight and level / turn us to a new heading so that they can relax a bit and actually listen to what I’m saying. It helps a lot for them to not be overwhelmed while flying and you’re yapping 🥰
Very good tip as well!!
I'm a student pilot and I totally agree with this. It's hard to fly and listen with a whole airplane in your hands. All the best to you and your students. m
Working on CFI now. My instructor said he typically will place one of his hands over the student's eyes when they freeze up on the controls. He says they will naturally want to reach up and remove your hand. If they're scared, they can no longer see the threat making them freeze up, which helps them "snap out of it." I'm sure I'll have to do that many times.
I'd only do the karate chop on the nose trick if it was a life-or-death situation. I'd be afraid the student would try to charge me with assault/battery charges.
My CFI acting as a "student" used excessive rudder while doing slow flight to see if I was shadowing the rudders adequately. I wasn't, it was a good lesson, lol.
More CFI-related stuff, please! This information is gold!
The hand over the eyes is a great technique and yes we should never hit someone unless it’s life or death situation
I was a CFI/II/MEI back in the 90’s. Free pro tip for all those now coming up through the ranks, your danger zone isn’t when you are brand new. It’s just about the time you have the hours to qualify for that next step. You must fight complacency! I look back, and still feel lucky all these years later that nothing bad happened to me. I made a few questionable decisions, let a few things go longer than I should’ve. But all these years later, it served as a great reminder for me to never become complacent. Very nice video and great topic to discuss.
This is so true! Great tip
Thank you for this. I’m working on my CFI right now… I was a pretty quick learner, started in March and got my commercial last week. I never really did much crazy or unsafe stuff. It’s helpful to start to think and prepare for all types of students.
Glad it was helpful!
Starting my CFI training now. This is what I’m most nervous about. I don’t want to get behind and something go wrong. I WILL be requesting to do ALOT of this practice with my CFI
Just pay attention and you’ll be fine
I agree. The ability to forcibly take control of the airplane is the most safety-critical skill. Rare as these events may be, CFIs fly with a lot of new students.
Definitely very rare thankfully
yep. it's totally the same, when you go through training as a lifeguard :)
It has happened to friends of our who are CFIs. Harder for them since they instruct in a lot of planes with tandem seating. I have a lot of respect for good CFIs - it is not an easy job.
Thanks, Kaity. Good stuff!
Glad it was helpful!
Heck yes on not letting the student fly all the time! So glad somebody finally said it! When I was learning commercial maneuvers, the first CFI I had only explained and never demonstrated. I flew with another CFI who demonstrated a lot, and it helped me so much. And while you definitely have to practice, having a "model," in this case a CFI's demonstration, to go off of is incredibly helpful.
Exactly!!
I definitely agree on the demonstrations. A good demonstration can work wonders for a primary student.
Absolutely!
As a new CFI, I really appreciate this video. Very informative and fantastic information and tips. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
This was a very thought provoking video. Extremely well done! There is a lot to unpack here. I will be watching this multiple times.
So glad to hear it was helpful!
I’m an aspiring CFI presently. Helpful video thank you. I especially appreciated the reference to God and the cross. Well done good and faithful CFI 😉
Thank you so much!
I'm not a pilot, but I do love airplanes and generally enjoy flying commercially. And I really enjoy your videos; all of them. ❤
Glad you like them!
Thanks ma’am I totally agree to everything you have brilliantly put together, your points are well noted and can be very helpful, thanks Manasseh from Nigeria
Glad it was helpful!
I’d love a video for the students how to prepare ourselves for the possibility of our brains shutting out and not being able to control our muscles the way you say. I haven’t started yet, but I would think like you said in another part, it shouldn’t get that far in the first place if you’re a good student would be my guess?
You can’t really prepare for that…the only thing you can do is chairfly and study enough that you have extra brain space in the plane
Great video. Thank you :)
Glad you liked it!
Nice vid and good points. I'm a "Career 2.0" kind of guy... and I'm soon going to have my CFI. These are all great points for me to keep in mind. (Doing spin training today)
Glad it was helpful! Have fun with spin training! I found that to be the most useful training I’ve ever done
Seems like I am one of the few that didn't become a CFI along my trip. Thanks for the video Kaity, good Monday from Wisconsin. The worst thing I hear from the aircraft or mostly in the flight simulator is the airplane call out Bank Angle. We still do a brief and de-brief after every flight in the 747.
Happy Monday! Hope the weather is good in Wisconsin. The debrief is so important and I love that you guys do that every flight
@@pilotkaity Rain but in the 60's. If we switch crews during a flight we have mid flight briefs too. Never stop learning.
Great Tips !
Glad you think so!
Thanks for the content! Great work. I'm taking on my first couple Private students. One has soloed at a CAP flight academy in under 10 hours, and one has about 25 hours at a flight school with no solo. I'm curious about how you evaluate new students who have some flight experience? Seems really common.
I just start with lesson 1 and see how they do tbh. So for both of them I’d go do a coupe steep turns, slow flight and maybe one other item and see if there proficient in those
Very well said. I also think young male instructors need to be prepared to deal with the big egos and defense mechanisms of some older men… be respectful of the customer but not allow themselves to be intimidated.
This is so true. There can be a lot of dynamics in the cockpit that the instructor must be aware of for safety
These are the conversations we should be having as CFIs. Sharing experiences and developing plans for different situations helps us grow not only as pilots but as instructors. I get that many of us are trying to get to the airlines, myself included, but we have to do our due diligence in ensuring we are delivering quality training. The more we rush the poorer the quality. Just think that student you’re training is going to be the FO sitting next to you one day. When they’re under your command in the future did you give them the proper training to be in that seat and do you trust the training you gave them?
This is exactly the right perspective
Woo!! I really like this information. where do you instruct? I want an experienced flight instructor. Are you in all 50 states? 😂
Haha only 1 state. I do take students though just normally 1 at a time
I agree with you on takeoffs, my instructor let me takeoff for my discovery flight I guess it was because I was calm and asking the proper questions as we were taxing to the run up area. However, in hindsight when I'm a CFI I will not let students do takeoffs on discoveries.
I just feel like there isnt much training value to it and there’s a lot of risk. I used to let students take off on discovery flights too but after hearing about those accidents I reconsidered
@@pilotkaity I agree about doing the first takeoff, or the first of any maneuver for that matter. Otherwise, how is the learner to know what 'right' looks like?
Is AQP and DMMS part of your student instruction? I understand that AQP is what is taught at the airlines.
No it’s not
@ have you seen Dan Gryder video’s?
My 2 rules for staying alive as a CFI:
1) stay ahead of the plane
2) stay ahead of the student
Both great rules thanks for sharing
Ooo interesting, you very seldom hear from CFI-S folks. I’m thinking about getting my CFI-S and there’s almost no information out there on it. Is the training roughly the same? Is your ground school essentially the normal CFI ground school? I’m assuming FOI and all of that stuff is the same but the differentiation between CFI and CFI-S is really, REALLY difficult to get info on outside of the ACS.
I have a ton of info on CFI-S on my instagram! I also wrote a pdf guide that covers all things light sport CFI. It is linked in all the bios of my social media
Are you able to share a copy of your CFI checklists like the medical questionnaire template?
I’m actually making an entire pdf guide for the independent CFI so I can include that in there for sure!
Hello. I am not a pilot, just an aviation enthusiast. I wonder if CFIs practice all this communication and student reactions on the ground. Does a student know what to do exactly when he hears "my controls"
Yes they should be fully briefing that to the student before hand
What about CFI's playing on their phones, listening to music, tapping fingers nervously, just wanting to earn hours? Practice what you preach! The student is paying you! They hired you! Not to be assaulted, insulted, or have posts about them on making fun of them, doing risky maneuvers like zero g pulls, showing off. Every instructor I ever met play on there phone
Are you sure they don’t have foreflight open or the schedule? A lot of CFIs use their phones for business related to your flight
When I first started flying, I noticed my instructor blocked the controls to prevent nosing the aircraft down after ballooning upon landing. There are so many NTSB reports of Cessna 152s nose wheels collapsing after ballooning the aircraft on landing..
So many. It sounds like your instructor was aware of that too
@@pilotkaity Yes, that was my guess too..
being a diabetic does not disqualify you as a pilot. You have to have to good blood sugar values (A1C) and a confirmation from your physician. You then send all the paperwork to the FAA and they will let you fly under special issuance. You then have to submit a written yearly report on a FAA form and they will send over a new medical for one year. You still have to go to the AME periodically (depends on you class and age)
That’s a recently new development and at this time it was disqualifying. Either way, it’s not something a sport pilot could fly with since they have a condition that would need to be examined by the faa to determine if they could qualify for a medical
Both statements are true. The rule was changed in 2018 to allow insulin dependent pilots to fly under a required special issuance. Can't just go lsa because it's a known condition. But if you go class 3 and get your SI you can then go basic med.
Thanks for the shout out to creation and how God made us.
Observing creation is one of the best parts of flying. I’m referring to nature passing below our planes not female instructors, though I guess that fits too sometimes 😂
You are incorrect on Diabetes. I recommend reviewing part 67 Subpart D paragraph 313{a}. Diabetes by itself is not a disqualifying factor for a 3rd Class Medical. If you are type II for example and not insulin dependent, you will likely be able to fly depending if medical complications exist. "No established medical history or clinical diagnosis of diabetes mellitus that requires insulin or any other hypoglycemic drug for control."
For light sport you can’t have any known medical issues that would prevent you from getting a medical. So him not getting an actual medical and trying to go light sport to avoid getting the medical was the problem.
@@pilotkaity Thanks for the clarification.
Kaity,
Be careful on getting student pilots to sign a document laying out their medical history. Make sure you have a qualified attorney look at it to ensure that its legal. You may run afoul of HIPAA and open yourself up to civil liability from the very same student who is lying to to you.
It was just a document saying they complied with CFR part 67 and listed this conditions and then stating they have never been denied or deferred of a medical. All stuff they have to attest to in order to fly
This is a sticky issue, and I definitely think an aviation attorney should review not just the form, but the necessity of even using the form. On one hand, you might face an issue due to privacy issues by asking these types of questions and maybe even an issue if you deny CFI services because of a person's suspected or actual health condition if it's not relevant. On the other hand, if you don't ask and your student has an accident, you might face an issue. But normally to be liable in a civil action you will have needed to breach a duty of care. Is there a duty of care to probe into a student's medical history? If not, then maybe better not to do it. These are the types of questions an aviation attorney can answer. Disclaimer: not to be taken as legal advice.
I’m deathly afraid of these CFIs. Many have low hours and just want to get hrs to do something else
You don’t need to be afraid of them most of them are great and of course there’s some bad eggs in every industry
Karate chop got it😂
😅
If I did not put in the rudder, I would get a soft kick from my flight instructor...thought it was funny
That is pretty funny
Excellent content! I had this happen to me in a big way. Thanks for addressing this little-talked-about topic for newer CFIs especially.
ruclips.net/video/Vv0NNjQOCkI/видео.html
Wow thanks for sharing!
I'd be very careful with employing physical, defensive techniques. If you use these, the lesson is effectively over because the student is now focused on you making contact with them instead of flying the aircraft. As a former police officer, I'd like to say that striking someone or even making contact with them in an aircraft in US Air Space (federal jurisdiction) is setting yourself up for detainment and even arrest for assault and battery by your local US Marshals Office. And without a way to prove that you had to do so (i.e., a camera) you could wind up in jail, even if you think that interaction was warranted. As someone who has taught for sometime, I'd also recommend properly screening your students first. Sit down with them over a cup of coffee and ask questions. Pay particular attention to body language as that's a much better indicator of dishonesty or even hazardous attitudes than the answers themselves. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
I think you missed the point. Next step is a smoking crater. It is an extreme last ditch effort. She made that clear
That’s exactly right. I’m not saying to hit anyone as a teaching method. This is only in a life or death situation