The Police Officer who used BDSM for Murder... | The Case of Steven Zelich
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Dubbed "The Wisconsin Suitcase Murderer", Steven Zelich quit the police force to evade investigations into his concerning behaviour. But this would descend into deeper and darker territory involving the internet's BDSM community, and murder.
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00:00 Intro
01:08 Minnesota and Wisconsin
02:15 Laura Simonson
05:55 Searching for Laura...
08:08 Mr Handcuffs
12:16 June 5th, 2014
14:20 Investigations
16:19 Jenny Gamez
17:49 Steven's confession
21:41 Legal proceedings
22:49 Remembering Jenny and Laura, sidenotes
24:08 Outro
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it's nice to hear about an ex husband who was willing to move mountains to find the mother of his children, even if they didn't love each other anymore.
Void Canary : Yes imdeed.
Way better dad then she was a mom. Clearly being with multiple men was more important. Good on the father from keeping her away from them.
@@marinewife03311 Cmon dude she's dead don't need to bash her.
Man you never stop loving the mother of your children. Don't let the system fool you.
I hated the mother of my son with passion honestly. It was difficult for me to even look at her when we switched by the weekend. Im ashamed to say it but i did, for a long time
The fact that he killed both of them within months, and was so successful at hiding them, definitely makes me believe he has done this many times before.
I'm doubtful. How come he disposed the bodies so recklessly then
@@bokjuuu I have to agree that these where his only victims. However I wouldn't be surprised if he had a murder kink.
I agree
You think he was successful? Huh.
He definitely had the potential to be a serial killer
Fun fact that no one asked for: The reason why a lot of facial reconstructions/composites of victims end up having that "uncanny valley" look is because when they can find any physical quirk or "abnormality" that stands out from the remains they're working with, they greatly exaggerate those unique features because it's those little things that not only family and friends will immediately recognize, but are also sometimes things that random witnesses might remember. So for Laura, it appears that all they had to really work with were her teeth, her high cheekbones, long narrow nose and a longer philtrum. The forensics just took all that and just dialed them up to an 11.
It creates some really unsettling composites, tbh. But it's an old method that still apparently works REALLY well for identification. It's amazing.
I thought that pic of Laura could have been an indigenous young woman. So wrong and I'm grateful for your explanation.😎
😲Fascinating, thanks, I didn't know that.
I have a book written by a forensic artist that explains how certain features are exaggerated.
I can't recall her name but she is a pretty phenomenal artist.
I just heard that explanation recently. 👍
That’s actually really interesting. Never thought about that or heard much about it
The thought of having people like Steven in the police force legitimately terrifies me.
There are many incels that join the police cause they think its manly and they missuse it by stalking women and using the advantage of being able to know everything about ppl without being investigated
@@sdmsdm7926 Ikr. So these are the people who are supposed serve and protect us? Jeez. Scary.
The amount of killers who tried and failed to be police is shockingly high as well...
@@chrismanspeaker9372 Like Joseph DeAngelo
Psychopaths are usually drawn to professions where they can exert power and control so unfortunately, there is a high number of psychopaths in any form of force.
There is NO way he only had 2 victims. There's more out there.
I honest wouldn't doubt it. At the absolute bare minimum, prior to Jenny's murder, he was a serial abuser. And it takes a certain kind of person to put a body in a freezer and pretty much forget about it until they have another.
No a serial killer would hide the bodies he made no attempt to
I thought the same thing. He’d been doing the same thing for years! But suddenly killed 2 in months of each other 🤔
Who cares.
The ones he killed were stupid enough to trust an obvious red flag.
Let them rot; let the dead bury the dead. Life is for the living anyway.
I was thinking the same.
it's refreshing to see an ex-spouse who genuinely wants to help in these cases instead of giving in to their pride and bitterness.
Dude there are actually a lot of guys like this.Remember the passive aggressive behaviour idea about the ex is encouraged every day throught social media.The world hopefully isnt as bad as it is potrayed to us.
@@NIKOS_GEROSIDERIS exactly, I try to teach this to my husband he always so alert thinking everyone wants to hurt I’m like nah there’s a lot of people like us who’s just HUMAns with good hearts lol
Well, I mean, childcare for 6 kids is expensive.... he was invested.
Right? It is refreshing. My ex-husband would step over my dead body and say he hadn't seen me. 🙄🙄💋
@@gatherround-storytime you probably deserve it
You can NEVER have a proper BDSM relationship with a stranger.
Full Stop.
Agreed. You may start out as strangers but you should get to know each other first, see if you vibe well together, etc and then start the BDSM relationship
@@callanightshade8079 ... Bruh y'all are freaks. Like what do you get from being man handled? =_= Like I spent years of my life slugging and throwing rebar around. What's the damn difference besides those actions actually hurting someone, it's weird but to each their own. I can understand slapping some ass, but wut? >_>
You can never have a proper BDSM relationship with anyone (without the potential for damage or abuse). People just won't admit that. It's a kink taken to the extremes... a place where anything can either go wrong or can go nasty. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that is partly it's appeal. Getting to know each other may help but doesn't safeguard you at all. Nobody knows anybody in entirety, it's simply not possible. This channel proves that every week.
exactly! trust is very important in BDSM.
@@MrNemoYoyes but you can atleast apply some harm reduction by only doing bdsm with people that you trust after years of building it up
Thank you so much for accurately clarifying and explaining what true BDSM is, how it’s meant to be practised, and the values/mutual care and respect of each other’s wellbeing and boundaries are. It’s so often misrepresented and misunderstood by those outside the community which is understandable but you’ve helped offer a clearer picture of it (and thus how it differs to cases of abuse under the guise of BDSM).
most of these habits are because sexual inhibitions have been pent up.
@@helenclark7876 I have to disagree. In all my experience as a dominant with many submissives over the years, and getting to know them on a deep level, they all have very different reasons for being drawn to the community. Same for dominants.. one of my best friends has very different reasons behind his lifestyle to me (he enjoys control/power and pushing his subs boundaries, I enjoy the complex psychological dynamic of gratifying the subs individual desires/needs and playing with the illusion of control to fulfill them and offer them a safe space to be 'free' to escape societal expectations of men).
If anything, the commonality I've noticed in most of my subs has been a past of bullying or low self esteem. You'd think it's strange that they'd go on to enjoy and request humiliation if they've experienced bullying - but I see it as their way of dealing with that past trauma by facing it head on and ultimately being in control of it, rather than being an unwilling victim feeling powerless in a social setting. They're allowed to show emotions... be themselves.. be openly vulnerable... and not judged despite the roleplay. Aftercare is a necessity too.
I honestly can't think of someone I know who fits the 'pent up sexual frustration' category within BDSM.. but thats not to say there arent any people who do.
@@helenclark7876 i guess if society especially Southern American wasnt so stick up the ass purdy about sex just maybe those habits wouldnt be pent up
@@Sharon_L_WI agree. Over 25 years in this lifestyle and I haven’t met anyone who was here because of pent up sexual issues. :/
That reconstruction picture of Jenny was utterly disturbing... What a sad case.
Honestly, they should be ashamed they released something that bad. She was a Jane Doe who deserved to be identified. They could have at least put some effort into making it look like a person.
Unfortunately I've seen the image reposted on some sites without context as a form of shock content which.. says a lot and is extremely saddening.
Ive listened to a youtube channel called Lazy Masquerade. According to him, the reconstruction would often be that way in order to draw attention. If it had been a person whose facial features resembles many, it will be hard to be stamped on everyones mind who they were looking into. Besides they dont really know the face for it had been already decayed so thinking of the prominent feature and accentuating it more will be helpful.
@@THEDubbleHelixx Except it's very intentionally made like that as normal pictures very often do not work as they make the person look too generic. This image actually led to her being identified.
@@r.e.d.docena5957 I heard that too while watching and that was my first thought. Though it is a little rough.
Lauras ex is an absolute rockstar for searching for her and figuring it out. Well done, sir.
Why does everybody keep saying the ex-husband did it ?
It was Jeff who searched so hard for her, her friend, not her ex-husband !
I think he could do a lot working in forensic IT if there is such a thing.
Thank You SO MUCH for being one of the few true crimers on RUclips that treat these sensitive subjects with the sensitivity it deserves!
Sending you lots of love from Sweden!!!
Hey makes unfunny jokes almost every video I'm not sure what's wrong with you people
you can tell why he doesn’t post multiple times a week, it’s a pretty big and complete video and probably takes a lot of work and research
I prefer a once a week well researched and presented vid to a thrice weekly shoddy job
It must take ages. Probably needs all that coffee to keep himself awake.
He should start hiring people and outsourcing the work
Maybe I’m overanalysing but when they first questioned him he slipped and said ‘I didn’t know her’ and changed it to ‘I don’t know her.” He knew she was deceased.
I need to quit watching so much true crime 😂
To be fair, if police came to my door and asked me about someone I’d either assume they committed a crime, were missing, or were dead. It’s not totally out of question for someone completely innocent to say ‘didn’t’ if they were thinking the last one.
@@RaccAttack77 Maaaaaaaybe...but I think naw. I'd definitely ONLY use the present tense when referring to someone if I hadn't been told explicitly that the person was killed/dead.
@@RaccAttack77 ehh seems like a stretch. If you truly didn't know someone you would simply say "nope, don't know 'em" so him saying "I didn't know her" implies past tense, implying that he must either currently know her, or knows that she is dead. If I actually don't know a person, them being dead doesn't change that. I still DON'T know them. Using 'didn't' is indeed a red flag.
No no, you’re onto something - the killer referring to a missing person in the past tense at a time when they’re not yet known to be deceased is a really good tell. It’s one of the main reasons I do think Casey Anthony did it, there’s a point when she was on the phone with her parents and she is recorded saying “Caylee *was* so lucky to have you as grandparents”…and then corrects herself “and to still have you as grandparents” 🤦♂️
How the heck does an interrogation stop if someone resigns? It's all the more reason to investigate it more carefully!
This! Yes, I was wondering the same thing.
Yes me TOO!!
From my understanding there are plenty of pictures similar to the forensic facial reconstruction of Jenny. Particularly when the bodies are in an advanced state of decay and there are no leads in identification, facial reconstruction is done focusing on the facial characteristics that stand out the most. It is important to note that the uncanny tone is done in purpose, since an abstract image of an exagerated visual characteristic from the corpse is more likely to trigger a memory from a potential witness. Even with such a unique reconstructed image, Jenny was succesfully identified by her relatives after seeing it being distributed by the media and approaching the police. You can make the experiment yourself. Put the reconstructed and a face image of Jenny smiling and you can see some similarities.
For me, the most interesting case of these reconstructed images is that of Cheryl Bowman. Her face was "completely battered into jelly", thus making a facial reconstruction impossible. However, her sketch was drawn with her hand (which had many rings) covering her face, in hopes she would be recognized. She was successfully identified after 16 years since her body was found.
Stop blaming the daughter death for her mother’s behavior
The father seems to be ok
From west Africa
🦅
Adrian, I remember watching your videos when you had only 5,000 views per video and thinking you needed more recognition, and here you are at 1 million subscribers! I may not know you offline but I'm very proud of you.
"I don't feel like I did anything wrong as all"
That is a very telling statement. He is horrid.
Terrible people never think they did anything wrong.
Stop blaming the daughter death for her mother’s behavior
The father seems to be ok
From west Africa
🦅
Literal demon
I think that's called being a psychopath.
I remember watching your videos when you were below 100K subs. You have had phenomenal growth, it is well deserved. Mostly, because of the great compassion and empathy you show to the victims of these crimes. Thank you!
Thank you!! And thanks for being here since the early days!
@@CoffeehouseCrime when's coffeehouse crime brand coffee coming out?
He doesnt make stupid jokes or dance when there is a insurance policy like that other guy, so yah Coffeehouse does it right, respectful to these horrible crimes, not a joke
@@judgeprime3730"Judging others is human. To keep your opinion about someone else to yourself is having class." Just some food for thought. The other guy works very hard as well!
I HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR COFFEEHOUSE CRIME- BDSM IS AS EVIL AND VILE AS PAEDOPHILIA AND NECROPHILIA
You are the utmost respectful true crime youtuber on this platform - I can't tell you how refreshing it is to hear "this person's actions don't represent the actual community", because way too often people go for the shock value of demonizing the scary the viewer may not understand, and I appreciate you working to prevent backlash to a healthy community :')
I’d recommend Danielle Kirsty. She’s really good, respectful, emotional and goes into detail with the cases she’s covered
@@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224 I'm actually not a fan; I can't recall exactly why at the moment - I believe either she is too sympathetic towards the perpetrator, or not sympathetic/educated enough towards mental health. Either way, that's why I was just saying how much I enjoy this channel, as I don't find issues like that here, which is really rare :)
Thank you for your compassion and care in explaining what BDSM is SUPPOSED to be. Most get the wrong idea and b-line to “50 Shades of Grey” (which I’ve never read or seen, but was informed by some community members that it’s bs and flat out abuse). So thank you for that.
try explaining the difference to the bible thumping purdists out there. if it is anything outside the 'normal', it's a crime against god blahblah
True the media always gives the wrong impression of everything making people come to the wrong conclusion 😏
It's always the same thing. Instead of doing their research in depth and understanding how it all is, medias and some other people just barely touch the iceberg tip and hate on it. Not only with BDSM, but anything that isn't "mainstream," basically.
Only coffee house crime can pull off a peaceful atmosphere while talking about murder.
~tht is so true of him...!
~his voice & accent i thnk make it very tranquilizing for me....
@@shamikeatley4760 exactly 💯
Thanks! Though I bet David Attenborough would do a much better job, I've got nothing on that man 😂
@@CoffeehouseCrime I disagree, your voice has empathy which is much needed for such stories
@@CoffeehouseCrime no, you are far better. You take time and sympathy to the victims. It's beautiful.
Good job to the ex-husband. He found the mother of his children. Bless them all. And bless the young woman who was found with her. No one deserves to be treated like that. 😪
Jeff is not the ex-husband. He's a friend Laura met online.
@@anggrekbulan100 I didn't say anything about Jeff. Now I'm confused 😕 😐
@@gatherround-storytime the person who found Laura is named Jeff and he is her online friend not the ex husband
@@jadeanis3794 well dang, I thought it was her ex-husband that hunted down her killer. 😳
I just want to say thank you for being respectful and educational about what BDSM really stands for. I've never been an active participant in BDSM, but I'm very familiar with the concept and the various misconceptions behind it. You did a really good job of making it clear that it CAN be a safe practice. You didn't just gloss over it, you provided real information about how it should be done. Thank you.
Same here, very impressed with Adrian!
@@pakde8002 You don't have to be a participant to be "well versed" in it. Also, there's no reason to judge anyone whether they do or do not participate.
@@pakde8002 yeah. Because he has covered stories with it before and he got a lot of hate for not understanding or showing sympathy for BSDM. Then the BDSM community educated him. And now he knows. Use your brain, just a thought.
The police department seem to be a perfect place for criminals to function. Their knowledge of the law, sympathy from connections to the dept., knowledge of their territory and of the people in it as well as access to dept. equipment and training to surveil, puts them in a mighty position to get away with crime. I’m surprised more of them aren’t utilizing these advantages…or are they just getting away with it?
One of the best true crime channels. I love how articulate you are and very sympathetic towards the victims. Thank you for always honouring them and delivering their stories with the utmost respect.
Definitely Thandiwe.
@@IHateGuysFullofShit get your racist ass out of here.
Honestly one of the best out there.
Minneapolis has become a Democrat 💩🕳🪳
Yes, this is really a good one, I like it the best from all of them.
Oh shit you're covering Jenny's story! I went to school with her. Always wondered if one of the true crime channels would cover this. Her life was pretty tragic before this even happened, it's painful to think about.
With username like I’m not sure sure whether to chuckle at the irony or ask for a bump
Zooted
i feel so sad for her :( what a bright soul and a fighter, she deserved so much better
@DRIVER cocaine means death and murder?? alright mate
Very sad
Not suprised that a cop would do this. Not all cops become cops for power tripping but the rotten ones do. His dating description reeks of a weak man that desperately needed to feel powerful and in control. It's no coincidence that he'd be a cop not to respect the badge but for power.
Those were my thoughts watching this video. Police and military, unfortunately, are very attractive for this breed of individuals. Weak, lost, often self-destructive, and desperate for someone to control in order to feel big an meaningful. Not uncommon for people in the medical field, too.
I think it's always eerie to see reconstructed pictures of victims that have been made from the victim's actual face. It reminds me of the reconstructed photo of the boy in the box where you can tell they're deceased in the actual photo. It's so sad but unfortunately necessary in some cases.
I love how you don't focus only on the crime itself, but you pay attention to every single detail describing the case
You'd think that after "accidentally" choking a partner to death, he'd learn a lesson. "It wasn't until the second girl dies from our 'breath play' did I realize how dangerous it was" - Steven, probably
I like that you put said "accidentally" ... I'm not an expert, but normally when strangling someone, don't they lose consciousness before dying ? And the death even happens minutes after that ? Which means the two women would have lost consciousness during their "play" and yet he would have continued until they were truly dead.
Without rage and losing total control of yourself, I doubt it's actually possible to strangle someone to death "by accident" like he claimed.
It definitely is possible* to accidentally kill one person through breath play if you do it incorrectly. But that's why a) you have a responsibility to do it safely, and b) definitely anyone normal who accidentally killed someone would NOT continue the same actions on another person. C) most people who accidentally kill fess up immediately I think
It's why I don't do breath play or anything to do with choking, neck ligatures, drowning, or suffocation.. I also only have ONE BDSM partner, I trust him with my life, he doesn't abuse my trust..
Also I would like to know why he was “fine” with having jenny’s body in his house for so long, and then it was after he killed Laura, that he decided that Jenny’s body decomposition was beginning to stink? The body should have been into decomposition before he killed Laura… also how the heck was he able to sleep in the same room as Laura’s body? No one that “accidentally” killed a person should be able to, their adrenaline would be running and sleep shouldn’t come to them…
Thank you for being the person you are. You treat all of the victims and their families with such respect . ❤
As someone who lives near the areas where these things occurred, I’ve never heard of these crimes. Thank you for bringing these cases to light and for all of your hard work.
The way you tell these horrific stories in such a compassionate way is such a welcome difference from many other channels that cover true crime stories.
It's all fake. How can you not tell?
How & why is he fake x seems like a nice educated guy telling us about the most vile evil pieces of shit out there & does it without all the drama just facts so I’m gonna be pissed off if it’s all a big act 🤔
I agree it’s never say right with me that some channels will say “if you liked this content please subscribe” or stuff of that nature
It's really horrifying because all of these places are STUPID local to me. This monsters apartment wasn't far from where I went to university, I went to summer camp in the town where the victims were found. I vaguely remember this case even though I was only in early high school when he was apprehended. It's terrifying to be reminded how close these cases can be to home. Stay vigilant friends. ❤
Stuff like this happens in every corner of the world not just in your local area so I wouldn't say it's a reflection on that particular area, if I'm understanding your statement of stupid local, sorry if I misinterpreted that comment
I too am live in neighborhood of this case. 😉
As tragic as this was, it didnt come close to J. Dahmer's nightmare.
WI has much beauty 🦫 🌲🐄.
Same. I’m from Texas and a lot of people have died within the Dallas area.
At one point in time, you’d be able to walk at night with a few friends and have fun. Sadly, the place has become a hotspot for crime, as the once peaceful community in Dallas has become Ghetto and at night you can even hear gun shots as if you were in Chicago.
Which is why I plan on being careful once I got to college. I’m the Houston area people get mugged and In Dallas ofc it’s Dallas, so only reason why I’d attend a college in Dallas is because the courses I wish to take.
If only the world were more peaceful 😔
@@Roasty420 Well said!
A peaceful world....🪁🤸🏼♀️
that moves about just a little bit
less hurried 🚴🧘🏼♀️
And where ppl loved one another a whole lot more.
🎶 if only in our dreams 🎵
@@Roasty420 every major city in America is the same. crime , drugs etc
I once met a guy who told me early on that he was in BDSM. I told him I wasn't into self abuse or abuse of others. I asked him why he was into it. He said his wife cheated on him and he divorce her. After that he got into BDSM to feel dominant. I appreciated his honesty but I ended the relationship. Scary.
Yikes. Good on you for getting out of there!
What a creep
That's not a valid reasoning actually. If you re a Dom, you re one. If you re a sub, you re one. Most people don't explore bc of how wrong advertisement of BDSM. It is all about safe, sane and consensual. And it doesn't always associates with pain and abuse. It can be sexual and nonsexual. And a trusting dom-sub relationship is always, always must have a contract, hard limits and safe words for both parties. I am not into it but out of curiosity made some research, talked to people. Having a open mind brings knowledge. But you were right about getting out of that.
@@GipsyFeyzlol sure bud
When I was a teenager my mom gave me a wise piece of advice that I have always followed to this day. She said, “never let anyone tie you up. That’s just stupid.”
💯💯💯
I truly believe that in certain jobs a full psychological evaluation test should be required at least every 6 months! From an outside person or persons who are administrating the test so it would not be no room for bias or favoritism IMO
Yes! Like drug testing. They do psych evals for pilots
@@truenokill Given how rare plane crashes are, I'd bet in the U.S., more people die by cops than pilots in the average year.
A sociopath is good at passing this testing. Lots of narcassists become cops. Better testing is needed
Amen!
Well good luck in trying to exterminate favouritism in Greek police🤭.
I was living near where the suitcases were found at the time. It was really scary. Thank you for covering this story.
No it wasn’t
I have watched so many real crimes on RUclips and elsewhere but I have to say that coffeehouse crime is the only one that has a lot of information and remains respectful of the victims. Love your videos !
Always happy to see another episode of coffeehouse crime! Much love!
I've been through so many true crime podcasts/channels and yours is by far the most thoughtful and respectful channel I've come across. Every other one has made me so angry with how they make the perpetrator relatable and the story as one huge joke/piece of entertainment. These are family's traumatic events and you do them justice.
Do you just like willingly block out his cringey dad jokes and puns? Honestly wouldn't surprise me if you were a bot or paid comment
I agree. You should check out Danielle Kirsty. She's super genuine and compassionate as well.
I’ve been catching up on your old videos one by one, and it’s WILD to see how far you’ve come as a storyteller and editor! Keep up the good work Adrian!
Only stumbled across you a few weeks ago and you’ve become my favourite channel quite quickly.
Thank you for your empathetic, factual videos .
All the love, from Australia 🇦🇺
Thanks Adrian for yet another very interesting episode. I absolutely love your channel and the way you present these crime stories.
Adrian, you put so much time and compassion into your stories. You learn so much upsetting stuff. I really hope you're taking time for your mental health as well.
All those years with police powers....I wonder how many other people suffered at the wrath of this absolute tyrant ☹️
You have such a great way of story telling and honoring the victims of these murders.
When you said "she was alone most of the time" I began wondering, "Did he get custody so she hardly sees the kids?" After continuing it seems that isn't the case, which makes me sad because she *wasn't* alone. I have six kids myself and they, with my wife, are ny best friends. It does seem to be the prevailing thought in society, though, to not count kids as capable of that role (at least from my anecdotal internet exposures).
Rather than becoming desensitized to the horrors of these cases I've found myself more increasingly upset by them . . . for numerous and varying reasons.
Then please take a long break, really. I know the feeling. Watch positive, happy things. And never forget that there are so many good people out there. The majority is kind and decent, and so many go above and beyond even that. 🌸
stay empathetic, theres so much good in the world and its part of life's wonder.
@@Lola-AreaCode212 the majority is definitely not kind.
Aww. Take breaks and stay good. We need you
✨💖✨ maybe breaks with kitten videos or something. Bless🌷
According to RUclipsr Lazy Masquerade. The reconstruction image of a victim would often be unusual in order to garner attention. They often highlight a persons facial features to make them stand out to those who see them so they are more recognisable (large eyes, strong cheekbones etc). If it had been a person whose facial features resembled many others, it will be difficult to be printed on everyone's mind who they were looking for. It helped a famous Jane Doe case of a woman with a spinal disfigurement whose disturbing reconstruction image garnered a lot of attention to her case which in turn ended up being partially solved. It might sound cruel especially if that person is to be remembered by that image however it is useful to solving the case.
Stop blaming the daughter death for her mother’s behavior
The father seems to be ok
From west Africa
🦅
@@HelghastStalker it's a bot
I love how respectful you are with the victims. Great work as always!
This women were dumb and promiscuous. There is no need for respect for them. The men is a psychopathic monster
Your channel is so well produced, I started at the first video and you have just raised the bar continuously. Thanks for keeping us informed. Living in South Africa, people always speak of the high crime rate but your show has opened my eyes. Thanks again and keep “killing it” 😅
I think you're the first true crime human I've ever heard speak with such... respect? Maybe that's not the right word. You speak very kindly about the BDSM community. The whole trust and respect bit a lot of people don't realize that. It's refreshing to hear you speak kindly about it 💖 as always, you are a gem
Respect, compassion, and care
Yes I was so happy to hear him speak of our community with such kindness and understanding. So few realize how much emphasis we put on trust, respect, care and communication.
agreed as a part of it, people like "mr.handcuffs" are nowhere near reprasentative of it.
I find this channel and Truly Criminal are the two most compassionate when delving into true crime stories.
The podcast Murder with My Husband is also very respectful to the victims. I can't listen to true crime videos or podcasts that glorify the killer.
Thank you for your message about the BDSM community. This horrible person took advantage instead of taking care and should not be a reflection on the community. Happy to see he will be in jail for the rest of his life.
this!
no lol
Piss off he doesn't need to be recruiting anyone into its ranks and that little PSA had no business being in such proximity to this, use some common sense
Rest in peace Jenny and Laura! Thanks Adrian for another empathetic video! You are a gem!
I came across the channel by pure accident and I have been binge watching it..I love the stories and the way you deliver them. Congratulations on your continued success, you deserve it..
Still one of my favorites and best crime channels on RUclips! Good job Adrian!!
I was on a walk when listening to this and verbally shouted "No! NO!" When you discussed how he engaged in breath play. Any kinkster worth their salt would always always always have industrial shears on hand if using any sort of rope, and would know that you DON'T use rope for breath play! And you especially don't use it with a gag. You ALWAYS leave the person at least two ways of communication. Holy heck, he knows nothing of proper bdsm and safety. He should have been locked up way sooner. He wasn't a kinkster, he was a predator and knew where to find vulnerable victims.
yeah that guy was a predator no doubt
The fact he left the ball which was strapped in her mouth eliminated any doubt he had intended to kill her from the beginning, otherwise he would tried to resuscitate her. Case closed.
Thanks Adrian, another great video. Be proud of what you do.
“A great space for everyone involved”? Count me out. That sh!t is crazy.
HOW are there even people like this on this planet? ( that’s what goes through my mind during EVERY viewing of a true crime video) 🙁
This is exactly how I feel/think. I watch many true crime shows & still to this day I'm always bewildered & shocked when hearing what all they do.
Ever heard of Satan ? This depravity has been going on for centuries. It will continue and only get worse unfortunately. Bible lays it out.
I totally understand you! I feel the same way.
Yeah Minnesota! I was born in Minnesota lol couldn't help myself. These cases are so sad. Thank you Adrian for your continued content ❤️
Excellent video. What I like about your channel is that you always adhere to the FACTS. Not opinions or hearsay. A lot of other channels do the whole “omg the cops didn’t look at this one person who is clearly so creepy and weird ! It’s obvious they had something to do with it because some random person said they might! “. Those channels are disgusting.
Bravo on the respect you give the families and the law enforcement too. Some times people will only take the words or opinions of the family involved when…they could be bias towards their loved one’s image. Again, you deliver facts and give credit when it’s due.
Subscribing and tuning in to each video.
I love how sympathetic you are to people down on their luck. Thank you for your humanity.
“Her facial construction is one of the strangest I’ve ever seen.” I wasn’t prepared.
First time in a long time that I’ve gotten actual chills from an image.
Coffeehouse Crime you made it so far in 2 years, awesome videos !
It takes nothing less than 10-20 minutes to choke someone to death, there is ABSOLUTELY no way he could’ve done it by “accident”, it’s literally the worst excuse in the book
Thanks for another great case!!! I hope to see more of you and your cases. Well appreciated for your research and time. THANKS for making it interesting the way you natriat the story or case. ✌👍
I lived in both Rochester MN and Mequon WI in and around this time, and it's WILD I have never heard of this case. Honestly, though, given that he was a police officer in these areas, I'm low-key shocked he was convicted and sentenced to a reasonably long term
It was pretty wild when the news broke that the murder happened at the Microtel.
Good evening from Singapore, Adrian 😊🇸🇬 I'm new to your amazing channel. I've been watching as many videos as I can 🤭 You are very compassionate and glorify the victims and not the monsters, unlike other crime channels 👌🏻💕❤️💕 I subscribed from the very first video 😊 I'm elated that the monster in this case will rot behind bars till death comes for him 🦾🦾🦾
Good to see you again Adrian, I just enjoy listening to you narrate the stories,RIP 🪦both Jenny and Laura he’ll never see the light of day again
You’re doing fantastic Adrian, with the number of subscribers. Well deserved 👍
So pleased to see you. What perfect timing. You’ve saved me from listening to my hubby snore. It’s 2.20am here. Bless the person who invented headphones. 😂❤🎧
better to be wearing the headphones and watching this than creating a future episode as you finally "cure" the snoring 😂
This seems surreal, I attended summer camp on Lake Geneva. In the winter me and my friends went skiing there…hilarious considering the “mountains” were merely tiny bumps. Thanks Adrian, I love your storytelling. And love to Nero.
I attended summer camp at lake geneva as well. It was church camp and a darn good time too!
I specifically remember this case as I remember watching this on the news. I remember how gruesome it was but I had forgotten who they traced it back to. Thank you for covering this cuz I had wondered for a while what that case was about being so close to the Wisconsin border.
I really enjoy the kindness you use when discussing the victims. Frequently, cases like these aren’t given the same attention because of their background.
I say this living in Chicago at the time and I don’t remember this case at all
Things didn't get out of hands..He plainly kill them both.
such genuine politeness and respect she accidentally fell pregnant...you are such a sweet person 🤗❤️🇨🇦
Accidentally...so she just slipped and fell on a johnson?
@@shahidabdoullakhanzorovr1564 Orrr she was having recreational sex as most adults do and it was an unplanned pregnancy...? Not so shocking. No one plans to have kids every time they have sex. 🤷🏻♀️
Well, the imprisonment kink could surely explain why he decided to become a police officer. What a sick and twisted case.
Another wonderful presentation! Gosh you are good! Thanks....
Yours is my favorite true crime channel. I just want you to know I appreciate your story-telling ability as well as the hard work you put into your videos. Thank you!!
Oh I so love your videos. I have been with you from your first video. Your story telling ability is mastered kiddo. Your soothing voice depicts compassion and care. I always look forward to another video on Coffee House Crime. So glad you're here. Until another one, take care of yourself and others around you. God bless.
Adrian, you need to do a video on “Janet Chandler”… it’s a wild story that took years to solve. It has a lot of crazy twist and surprises with the victim, friends and suspects in it!
You should definitely look into it!
Hey! A lot of this happened not to far from me. Southern MN is one of those places where, even if a town is several hours away, it's considered a neighboring town in some ways. This was a HUGE case at the time, at least amongst Minnesotans and Wisconsinites. Thanks for always doing these cases amazing justice and always circling back to remembering the victims. I really think there's no other way to cover violent crime cases.
I have a better idea than jail. Hard laboring in reforestation. It's useless being fed and with a bed. Thank you for sharing! As always brought with respect.
😱 wow what a shocking story, may the victims rest in peace, 🙏 another interesting video thanks Adrian 🖤
To say that this lifestyle is, somehow, safe….
Complete strangers are going to bind you? Inflict pain? Basically a stranger is to torture you, and this is something SAFE?
Y’all have lost your effing minds.
ahh the joys of just being judgemental. here's a thought - stop believing 50 shades of grey was in any shape or form remotely connected to how BDSM is really
I grew up and graduated in Farmington Minnesota and never heard of this case. Thank you for sharing!
The fact that you always include so much information about the victims make these cases feel much more personal. I usually don't get emotional while watching other crime channels or series because they just focus on the crime itself and the criminal and try to make a spectacle out of it which made me kinda numb after a while but you remind me of the very real people that were harmed and what they went through. rip jenny and laura
What a creep that man was, I wonder how did he turn into such a psychopath against women. I was so impressed by the response of the local PD. RIP to all those women who were murdered. 🌹😢
Some people are just born bad, sadly.
@@TheoRae8289 or he was a fan of that hack John Norman and his gutter trash gorean series
Laura's case is heartbreaking. I wonder if her grief of losing her daughter led to her feeling a lot of negative emotions towards herself (guilt, regret, etc) - irrationally of course - and that's what drew her to the idea of exploring BDSM as a submissive... maybe wanting a means of punishing herself / turning her inner pain into something external, much like self-harm is a 'release'. I can't help but think that was likely the case, which makes her already awfully tragic story even sadder.
What an amazing job you did on sharing the details of this cop gone bad. Grateful the justice system did right by the victims and their families. Kudos!!!
Love the way you tell your stories on ever case!
i love listening to your voice and all the informative crimes you tell. You have compassion and empathy to all the the victims and family of these crimes. Thank you for all your hard work you put in to making it possible for us to listen to them .
Agree😊
Adrian, your following is unbelievable. Over 350,000 VIEWS in one day! Congratulations to a well deserved guy!
13:40 your first time coming across a body in a suite case is always surreal, i vividly remember mine.
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And you did it again, an amazing video, respectful, detailed. I don't often comment under your videos but I watch every single one of them, and I'm always happy to see that you uploaded a new one. Thank you xx
I’m a little stressed today and still working around 23:06 here and this is a breather for me. Thank you sir.
good luck! hope the hours pass quickly for you :)
Sorry...did it again,
Watch with a beer, not coffee.
Excellent work mate....this channel is golden!
Minnesota! Thank you for your respectful narration! It’s better to listen to rather than using long interview videos that give the perpetrators undeserved voice time!